Liberals go on the attack over prayer comments

Last Friday, Col. West spoke to East Texans for Liberty (ET4L) at St. Theresa’s Catholic Church in Gladewater. The theme of his remarks was liberty – and of course part of that is religious liberty.

We’ve written here on numerous occasions about the efforts of The Freedom From Religion Foundation to remove all instances of prayer or mention of God from schools and universities around the country. Col. West mentioned specifically his alma mater, the University of Tennessee-Knoxville, where the Foundation is trying to eliminate on-field prayers held before the school’s football games.

Then he recalled his days playing football at Grady High School saying, “And even in high school, before every game at Grady Stadium, the pastor would come down and pray before every football game. I don’t remember catastrophic injuries. I don’t remember anyone getting carted off that field paralyzed.”

So of course this was dutifully recorded by a liberal tracker and picked up by a number of media outlets with a blazing headline something to the effect of “Allen West believes prayer can eliminate football injuries.”

Oh come ON people. Can’t you get a LIFE?

Listen, when we had prayer in schools, we didn’t have gun violence, “sexting,” widespread delinquent behavior and disrespect towards teachers either. Did prayer “prevent” those things?

Well, I can tell you one thing, a belief in God certainly did.

A belief in a higher power, a more perfect power towards which must always strive gives us our civil society, and the very foundation upon which this nation was built. Prayer is a way of acknowledging that power, and reminds of us the true and righteous path we must follow.

But oh yeah, to liberals, that’s all a load of Bible-thumping hooey. Except when THEY do it. Then it’s fine.

Remember how Tim Tebow regularly got shellacked for thanking God every time he scored? Like God cares about football?

Well, God is apparently a HUGE movie fan as well, because look how many celebrities make a point of thanking Him for their awards:

Oprah Winfrey
2011 – Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award
“The first line of the book [The Color Purple] is, “Dear God, I’m fourteen years old…” And I had lived that life and couldn’t imagine that someone was able to put into words what I had already experienced. And so began this journey that I was able to really understand that God’s hand, or power greater than myself, “the forces,” as Sidney Poitier calls them, were engaged in leading my life to a plane and a level that I had not even imagined. But I released myself to those forces, and literally said inside myself, “Thy will be done.”

Prince

1984 Best Original Song Score (Purple Rain)
“This is very unbelievable. I could’ve never imagined this in my wildest dreams. And I would like to thank the Academy . . . and most of all, God. Thank you very much.

Denzel Washington
2001 Best Actor in a Leading Role (Training Day)
“Oh, God is good. God is great. God is great. From the bottom of my heart, I thank you all.”

Jennifer Hudson

2006 Best Actress in a Supporting Role (Dreamgirls)
“Oh my God. I have to just take this moment in. I cannot believe this. Look what God can do. . . Wow. Oh my God. Unbelievable cast. I’d like to thank the Academy. Definitely have to thank God, I guess, again. I can’t believe this. Wow, I don’t know what to say but I thank you all for helping me keep the faith even when I didn’t believe. Thank you and God bless you all.”

Tom Hanks

1993 Best Actor in a Leading Role (Philadelphia)
“I know that my work in this case is magnified by the fact that the streets of heaven are too crowded with angels. We know their names. They number a thousand for each one of the red ribbons that we wear here tonight. They finally rest in the warm embrace of the gracious creator of us all. A healing embrace that cools their fevers, that clears their skin, and allows their eyes to see the simple, self-evident, common sense truth that is made manifest by the benevolent creator of us all and was written down on paper by wise men, tolerant men, in the city of Philadelphia two hundred years ago. God bless you all. God have mercy on us all. And God bless America.”

Cuba Gooding, Jr.

1996 Best Actor in a Supporting Role (Jerry Maguire)
“God, I love you. Hallelujah. Thank you, Father God, for putting me through what you put me through, but I’m here and I’m happy.

The point Col. West was making is that prayer is positive. Why do groups like Freedom From Religion Foundation attack this positive and essential fabric of our Judeo-Christian faith heritage?

So what will be next? Tossing Christians into the sea for praying? Oops, that’s already been done.

What a world.

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Leadrunner
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My hand is out to your, sir. That is what a real man looks like.

Uncle Ruckus
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You are joking right

Hartbreaker
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So the question I have for you is this, are you posting here just so that you can make liberals look bad, or is this really who you are?

Uncle Ruckus
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Only proves that you are a NUT Allen. I guess it was prayer that kept the THOUSANDS of football players all over this nation from getting hurt or kept me from choking on my breakfast this morning

Marijw
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That very well could be true or it is that God sees you as his creation and is having mercy on you. Allen West is a nut because he has different ideas than you; where is the logic in your statement?

Hartbreaker
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How small is their god if he is not interested in all aspects of our lives, including football. My God knows when a swallow falls to the ground so he certainly knows when a football is fumbled.

Brendan
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Maybe if you people quit praying for your team to win and stopped distracting God with that nonsense, he might have time to stop giving cancer to babies.

Hartbreaker
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Again, my point stands, your god is awful small if he can be so easily distracted. My God can see all simultaneously and keep track of it all, while the god you describe seems to have ADHD.

Brendan
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I would like to think God has better priorities that to care about a football game… and if a decent human being was sitting watching the game and decided to take a moment to pray, it wouldn’t be to pray for the game

Hartbreaker
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I believe that God is omnipotent and omniscient so that he needs not decide between dealing with a football game or dealing with cancer or dealing with hunger or etc. He can handle it all simultaneously.

Brendan
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You’re missing my point.
i am not criticizing God… I am criticizing the absolute selfishness of people that would pray to him to have their petty needs fulfilled.

Hartbreaker
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Well I admit, I have more important things going on in my life that need God than a football game. And I also pray for what is going on in Washington and the Middle East and Elsewhere that I feel are a lot more important than who catches a football.

majorwiblit
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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus

Hartbreaker
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Actually all that proves is that your understanding of God is that he is little different than you. Your understanding of evil and the purpose of it and how freewill works is just too shallow for you to understand God.

Uncle Ruckus
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I guess the Seahawks didn’t pray hard enough!!

majorwiblit
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sparrow?, seriously?

Hartbreaker
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Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care.

Uncle Ruckus
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Funny how so many follow a man that spews so much hate and bigotry

grammy
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Uncle,you should be an expert, thats what liberals do best! You are very good at it!

Marijw
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Looks like you are following Allen West too, you are on his discussion board all the time. You interject your ideas without knowledge of individuals hence you do not know if people are following him or supporting him or maybe they just think he is a good guy worthy of respect and interested in what he has to say.

Uncle Ruckus
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I follow the comments

Hartbreaker
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I assume you mean people like Al Sharpton and Reverend Wright.

Paul Sheridan
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“Listen, when we had prayer in schools, we didn’t have gun violence, “sexting,” widespread delinquent behavior and disrespect towards teachers either. Did prayer “prevent” those things?” We absolutely had gun violence in schools when there was prayer. That’s not even up for debate, it’s a matter of record. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#20th_century Sexting requires texting which wasn’t invented when we had prayer in schools. But was there sex? The teen birthrate was at it’s highest in the 1950s and is lower now than it’s ever been. Part of that is due to improved access to birth control and to the fact that people… Read more »
majorwiblit
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West played football for two years while attending Grady High School in Atlanta.
The team won 1 game during that time, while suffering 19 losses.

Guess all that prayer didn’t help the team much,,,
or maybe football wasn’t Wests’ cup of tea…

Lou9999
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Maj Dimwit was a waterboy for his high school jv team. Dude, you are really creeping on West. What is up with that?

Uncle Ruckus
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Lol

Sue Hogan
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Maybe if we pray really hard, you will go away. Worth a try!

majorwiblit
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kinda like “pray the gay away”… huh?

Uncle Ruckus
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Hasn’t worked yet!!!

Marijw
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Or maybe it isn’t always about winning. If you know about football then you know there is merit in learning discipline and working as a team. Sometimes as you well know it takes time to become good at anything, it is not without a lot of discipline.

sgb
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I thank God for you, Col West. I am a former Army medic. I served in Vietnam and again during cold war.

Earl Lee
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Allen is closer to satan than he is to GOD…so I do believe you are thanking the wrong one!!

Lou9999
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Earl “the computer muscles warrior” is back. I think he copies the same tired drivel on each website. Yawn.

CKAinRedStateUSA
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You do your father’s work, your father being the Prince of Darkness, the Father of Lies.

Give it a rest. Take your evilness, your chaos, your divisiveness elsewhere where it’ll be embraced.

sgb
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Why do you say that, Earl Lee?

Earl Lee
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If your purpose is to get one group to hate another or see your neighbors as the “ENEMY” you are not a GODLY person…you are more in line with SATAN

Brendan
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If Mr West can’t tell the difference between an individual praying and a government institution instructing children to pray then he’s a bigger moron than I thought. Since forced prayer was removed from public school decades ago, I find it curious that he points out that there was no sexting back then… as though kids in the 1940’s had cel phones and were texting. That was an interesting association Mr west. Sure lack of prayer led to sexting because the fact that there was no sexting 70 years ago is proof. But hey… kids in school don’t have Polio any… Read more »
Susie Haynie
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I think if you have any reading comprehension left, you will understand he is talking about the behaviors of kids today compared to when we could pray in school. Nobody was forced to pray either so maybe you are going a little overboard there. And whether you want to admit it or not…things are getting out of hand in our schools. Maybe a little prayer couldn’t hurt?

Brendan
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Actually, forcing people to pray is exactly what the problem is.

People are allowed to pray in school.
When websites like this state that students aren’t allowed to pray or that prayer has been removed, they are lying.

Students can pray and read their Bibles on their free time.

Teachers can no longer lead classes in prayers or allow students to do so because that is forcing prayer on students and that is what has been removed from school.

And if you think there was no violence in school before forced prayer was removed, you would be mistaken

Troy
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Brendan you and Ruckus have some mental issues. If you followed the ACLJ you would see all the lawsuits they have filled against the denial of Religious freedom in school. You need to stop lying. Prayer was and has never been forced in school. People prayed because a majority believed in God. They never forced anyone to pray.The unbeliever might of been in the room but never force to open their mouth in prayer Give me one I said one evidence of someone being forced to pray in school. Also if you and Ruckus don’t like Web Site then go… Read more »
Brendan
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Sorry kid… you’re wrong.
When a teacher tells students to all pray, that is, in fact, forcing children to pray.

Forced prayer has been removed from public schools.
People like you who can’t be bothered to know the actual laws fail to understand that prayer is NOT banned.
Students are free to pray or read Bibles on their free time.

Students are not forced to pray and students are not given religious instruction.
That is a ll that has changed.
The current law protects religious freedom.

Phony organizations like the ACLJ wish to trample religious freedom to promote religion… one religion.

Susie Haynie
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I never said there wasn’t violence. But when my kids had to go stand outside around the flagpole to have their moment of prayer it was enough for me to take notice. Of course I know we can pray anywhere. They can’t take that away from us. Just today the news reported at least three instances where kids were fighting in their classrooms. Not just two kids…but a brawl. Praying couldn’t hurt. What if the kids ask their teachers/coaches to pray with them? Many are doing that to buck the system set down by the few who are offended even… Read more »
Brendan
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I just watched video of Mr West’s dumbass remarks and he did his usual bull of suggesting that there were o injuries before prayer was removed.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/May-2012/A-Brief-History-of-Football-Head-Injuries-and-a-Look-Towards-the-Future/

Lou9999
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The Middle East is burning, thousands of Muslims and Christians are being slaughtered, Iran is on the brink of gaining nuclear arms, our government is hiding under the desk and this is what you, Uncle Du-fess and Paul Sheridan is concerned about? Play the fiddle boys while the world burns.

Brendan
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What are you babbling about moron?
What does the Middle East have to do with this?

Lou9999
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Ah, the old “last defense effort of name calling”. When the unintelligent, petty and/or insecure run out of counterpoints, they resort to name calling. Well done son. If you read the post, I am saying that while the world burns, you guys are concerned what about Allen West said about praying. What I am saying is we have priorities and your priority is attacking Allen West. Son, I think you are either trying to respond to every single post on the multiple sites that you visit or you are just a libbie who has to argue with conservatives to validate… Read more »
Brendan
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You are a special kind of stupid.

You think I am wasting my time by disagreeing with Allen West, yet you don’t think you are wasting your time by disagreeing with me.

You think I should be talking about morr important matters but not Mr West.

Ad to your weird obsession with me… Yes, I changed my profile picture. So?
That is a weird thing for you to obsess over.

Lou9999
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Ah, the name calling again. I must have struck a nerve…….again. Usually, when people have no counter-argument, the name calling comes out. It lessens your credibility.

West could say the ocean is full of water, and you would disagree with him.

Lastly, you need to read your posts before sending them. Either you can’t spell or you are attempting to answer every single post on these websites. Several misspelled words lessen your creds even more.

Obsession with you…..ha! Son, you are rich.

Brendan
Guest

Counter argument to what?
Your post was just personal insults and accusations.
Keep blindly defending your hero and attacking anyone that points out his bull.

CheetoBuster
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Liberals aren’t happy unless they are making everyone else’s life miserable.

Jim Replogle
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first place Opray is a 1% who bullshits like Obama about being a liberal. They only want that crap for followers but never for them to live that way. Liberals really do suck in so many ways !

Earl Lee
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So what Allen is actually saying…those players in football that are getting injured didn’t pray?? Is this man really THIS stupid???

Les K
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Are you really this ignorant or are you trying to be funny? If you are serious, it is clear you didn’t read the article and just jumped on here with a uninformed opinion.

Uncle Ruckus
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Allen west proves he is a clown with this one

Les K
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Only clown I see is you a$$clown.

Les K
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The truth is, with Liberals, you cannot tie anything positive to Christianity or Prayers. It just Can’t Happen.

All Good must come from the Democrats/Liberals. They are the heroes.

Paul Sheridan
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Attribute whatever you want to prayer but don’t expect to be taken seriously if you claim a causative relationship between school prayer and football injuries.
You say prayer makes you happy? Fine.
You say prayer saves your soul? Wonderful.
You say prayer has a measurable effect on whether high school football players get injured? Now it’s time to produce some evidence.

Alondra
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“WISE men speak because they have something to say; FOOLS (like Paul) just because they want to say something.” – Plato (428 BC-348 BC), influential Greek Philosopher

Paul Sheridan
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So lets say someone were to attribute a quote to an influential Greek Philosopher that they cannot possibly prove he ever said. Would that person be WISE or a FOOL?

Alondra
Guest

Only a FOOL with the Mental delay will ask soooo STUPID question.

The Importance of the Implication is in the Statement and NOT in the name. It will hold the meaning if I would say.
But this quote is attributed to Plato.

Do NOT play “smart” !!! You are NOT !!!

“Life is hard, Paul, but it’s even harder when you’re STUPID.” ~ John Wayne

Paul Sheridan
Guest

Nonsense. You wasted 51 characters attributing the quote to Plato because you thought it would lend the weight of a great philosopher to your childish attack. But it backfired because he never said it and now you look like an idiot.
If you think prayer prevents injuries on the football field then present your evidence. Otherwise quit wasting my time.
“A fine quotation is a diamond in the hands of a man of wit and a pebble in the hands of a fool” – Joseph Roux

Alondra
Guest

P.S. You even do NOT understand the meaning of the Joseph Roux quotation, Foolish “wit”.

“Some people have a GIFT FOR STUPIDITY, an almost mystic ability to withstand any form of logic.” – David Gemmell

Now keep yourself busy, check if the quote belongs to David Gemmell.

Alondra
Guest
HA !!! HA-HA!!! HA-HA-HA !!! Thanks for the LAUGH, Mr. Fool !!! The usual Liber whining !!! “Better a WITTY fool than a foolish wit” ~ Shakespeare I did NOT attack you. Once again I just exposed the Liberal STUPIDITY. So STOP to redefine the words’ and statements’ meaning. It backfired to you again and again because the meaning of the statement is TRUTHFUL, it underlines YOYR FOOLISHNESS = STUPIDITY !!! As I see you have a serious Reality COMPREHENSION problem. I will repeat this again and very S L O W L Y, soooo even you SHOULD understand: The… Read more »
Paul Sheridan
Guest

You have a really interesting habit of capitalizing words that aren’t proper nouns. Is English not your first language?

“It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own.” – Cicero

Alondra
Guest

HA !!! HA-HA!!! HA-HA-HA!!!
Thanks for PROVING MY POINT !!! The Cicero quote is aimed at the Dull-Witted with the wounded ego of Macho like you, who think they are smart, but in the reality they are NOT !!!

“It is the peculiar quality of a FOOL (like Paul) to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own.” – Cicero

But I am sure you still do NOT understand that !!!
Maybe this you will understand:

Hypocrite !!! First remove the plank from your own
eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”
~ Jesus Christ

Paul Sheridan
Guest

Your exclamation points are multiplying at an alarming rate. If you keep going at this rate you’re going to need a new keyboard soon. Have a nice day.

Les K
Guest

You have proof he never said it? I’d like to see it because in multiple places, the quotation is attributed to Plato. The few sites that question if he did have no proof he did or didn’t. So I’d love to see your RESOUNDING proof he did.

& Who TF is Joseph Roux?
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain – and most fools do.
– Benjamin Franklin

Paul Sheridan
Guest
It doesn’t appear in any of his writings. That’s why it’s attributed to him all over the internet but never mentions which dialogue or letter it’s supposed to be from. Interestingly enough he also never said “Only the dead have seen the end of war.” Joseph Roux (19 April 1834 – February 1905) was a French Catholic parish priest, poet, and philologist. According to wikiquote at least. I don’t know anything about him but the irony of the quote was just too good to pass up. I did criticize you for defending Allen West’s stupid remarks. But to be clear,… Read more »
majorwiblit
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

Alondra
Guest

“Even a FOOL, when he keeps silent, is considered wise.” (Proverbs)

I now you missed me so now you are lokking for the chance to chat with me. But now:

Good Nite,
Close your eyes…
And just Sleep tight
Don’t worry about a thing
God will be near to you all night
ALL night He’ll be by your side !!!

Amit Cher
Guest

Col West, Thank God for People like you.

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BecomingPt2
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This is an awesome article in every way, especially since it comes from West’s own website. It is talking about something insane said by West (implying that pregame prayers prevent injury), shows a very curious picture of Oprah Winfrey side by side with West (for…what reason) at the top, and ends with the very odd decision to talk about Tim Tebow praying in football games and a quote a bunch of actors thanking God for various things (which, while a good thing, doesn’t really make much sense in the context of an article about Allen West being criticized for the… Read more »
Zei Ky
Guest

No doubt it went over your head LOL – not to worry, lots of other things to read on the web. btw, the only thing implied is that prayer is positive. Why would something positive bother you so much? If you don’t believe then don’t pray, it’s that simple.

BecomingPt2
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Uh yeah. I”m a Christian and I pray many times throughout every day, so I definitely believe that prayer is positive. West’s quote, however, implied that serious football injuries were, or at least might have been, averted through formal pre-game prayer. This implies that players suffering catastrophic injuries are at fault for not praying, or praying good enough, or something, making it an insane statement. To say that he only implied that prayer is positive is dishonest, and to assume that I don’t believe in prayer or that I’m bothered by prayer is ridiculous. Seriously, I think that people get… Read more »
keepyourpower
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The thing is BecomingPt2…you do not know what was in Col. West’s thoughts, when he stated that! Were you? Were you inside his mind, when he spoke? Have you not expressed something out loud, that was misinterpreted?

Diana Michelle Bailey
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Diana Michelle Bailey

But Allen you are not part of the Destruction of America Club. So be happy they are being critical, it’s when they congratulate you on something that you must step back and think about what it is you have done.
Don’t worry about the elite patting you on the back. It’s the rest of us that understand exactly what you are doing and saying. Worry about what we think.
To be a patriot in America today is tough business but worth every bit of the chaos.

Uncle Ruckus
Guest

What exactly is he doing?? Posting to a blog and only posting the stories that the right wing LOONS want to see? Complaining on a blog while doing nothing to change it?? Calling great Americans the “ENEMY” ….get outta here

Dhgood
Guest

Col. West. You’re a great man and I applaud you for your comments and agree with your ideas about most everything. You’re not afraid to speak out about how you feel. However. Lately you have been spouting about religion. While I agree that in a free society such as ours one should have the right to practice his or her religion as they see fit. But remember there are secular and atheist people among us and their ideas should be respected as well.

Uncle Ruckus
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He believes in the freedom to express you religion UNLESS YOU ARE MUSLIM

stever777
Guest

That is simply not true. Muslims are guaranteed the same freedoms that other religions. It is the foolishness of denying that the radicalized Muslims do not pose a problem, and that some of what they use to justify the enslavement and murder of non-Muslims comes from their own holy writings. Why don’t I hear most progressives treating Christianity with the same respect they they offer to Islam. Saying ISIS or Boker harum are not Muslims flies in the face of historical reality. They may be thowbacks to an earlier time, but they are definstely Muslim.

keepyourpower
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You forget stever777, Common Sense has left the room!

Lou9999
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Don’t bother. Uncle Du-fess is just here to stir up trouble. He doesn’t know his head from his @$$.

stever777
Guest

Those who like to claim there’s no proof for the Creator have not examined the proof of prophecy demonstrated in the Hebrew scriptures. Even simple cause and effect proves the existence of the Creator. No creation without a Creator. No irreducible complexity in design without a Designer.

Paul Sheridan
Guest

Let’s imagine that the existence of the universe and life does require a creator. That doesn’t help you. How does that prove that the universe wasn’t created when Vishnu emerged from a golden egg? Or when Gaia and Uranus gave birth to the Titans? Or when the Aesir lifted the earth from the waters? Or any of the other creation myths that have existed throughout history? Or perhaps that none of them is right and the truth is something else entirely?

Divineconnection7
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“CONDEMNATION WITHOUT INVESTIGATION IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF IGNORANCE.”

Paul Sheridan
Guest

I agree completely. What’s your point?

stever777
Guest

All the creation myths, including other forms of mythology, are qualitatively different than the Hebrew Scriptures. In that you seem to be familiar with some of them, at least the nomenclature, you should know the difference.