FEMA to deny states funding if they don’t embrace global warming

I have always stated that for those of the liberal progressive left, advancing their agenda and ideology is done by fear, coercion, intimidation, lies, and deceit. You may disagree with me but just recall the statement, “we have to pass the bill in order to find out what is in it.”

If you want behavior modification, simply mandate it by coercive use of the legislative process — do this or be fined, taxed. And so we have the latest installment of progressive socialist jeopardy — the best means to punish those not supporting climate change: “What are punitive measures?”

As reported by the Daily Caller, “Next year, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) will start denying disaster funding to states that don’t incorporate global warming into their emergency preparedness plans. Governors looking for disaster preparedness funding will have to start reporting on how man-made global warming will impact their states such as “more intense storms, frequent heavy precipitation, heat waves, drought, extreme flooding, and higher sea levels,”according to FEMA.”

“FEMA’s updated guidelines for disaster planning don’t affect federal relief funding for after a natural disaster like a hurricane or flood, but the guidelines essentially force some state governments to acknowledge the alleged risks of man-made warming.”

Clearly, global warming aka climate change aka weather has become a religion to the left and anyone not embracing it will be on the receiving end of vile, vitriolic name-calling – flat-earthers, neanderthals, and other disparaging monikers.

However for the federal government – in other words, the Obama administration — to cast aside the system of federalism and force punishment upon states is unbelievable. Well, truthfully, things are getting to the point where everything previously unbelievable is now believable, because it’s happening.

The new mantra is that you WILL agree with us, you will submit, you will adhere, or else you will pay the price. Heck, just ponder the manner in which the Obama administration has reacted to Benjamin Netanyahu since winning his reelection in Israel.

Now think what would happen if a Republican presidential administration forced something on states under penalty of denial of funding? We heard the liberal progressive media go apoplectic over the House and Senate GOP refusing to fund Obama’s illegal immigration executive action — the response?

The GOP was going to shut down Homeland Security at a time when Islamic terrorist threats were high. So now, the Obama administration will withhold funding for emergency aid unless states subscribe to its agenda. This folks is a clear representation of federal government tyranny — nothing more.

So is this a coincidence or a shot across the bow from the Obama hit squad? The Daily Caller writes, “Interestingly enough, FEMA’s disaster guidelines update comes after environmental groups attacked Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott for supposedly not allowing state regulators to use the word “climate change” in official documents. Former Florida Department of Environmental Protection (FDEP) employees told the Miami Herald that Scott’s “unwritten policy” forbade such terms from being used. “We were told not to use the terms ‘climate change,’ ‘global warming’ or ‘sustainability,’” Christopher Byrd, a former attorney at FDEP from 2008 to 2013, told the Herald.”

“That message was communicated to me and my colleagues by our superiors in the Office of General Counsel. “We were told that we were not allowed to discuss anything that was not a true fact,” echoed Kristina Trotta, another former DEP employee. Scott himself has pushed back against such criticisms, saying he gave no such order to environmental regulators. But Scott’s denial has not stopped environmental activists from requesting an official investigation on the issue.CBS Miami reports that the group Forecast the Facts appeared at Scott’s office “with their mouths covered by duct tape emblazoned with the words ‘climate change,’” to drop off 43,000 electronically signed petitions requesting the state inspector general investigate.”

Now, lets look at this hypothetically, if Governor Rick Scott — who should just make a stand and say there will be no references to ideological terminology in state regulations — does not cower, then the state of Florida which will enter hurricane season in two months, will be denied FEMA funding.

This is all because he will not adopt the language of the liberal progressive left. Am I the only one who sees the dangerous precedent established here — play it our way or pay? If something is definitive science, then it is able to withstand scrutiny and analysis – bu that’s not the case when it comes to “climate change.”

Therefore the message to all others who stand against the bureaucratic administrative progressive socialist state is the same will happen to you. It’s clear the real problem here is state regulators who fail to realize that they work for the taxpayer and not the liberal progressive left.

“FEMA funding goes towards a wide variety of projects like raising buildings out of floodplains, and states are required to update their disaster mitigation plans every five years to keep getting federal money. FEMA has handed out more than $4.6 billion to states for disaster mitigation since 2010.”

In the fundamentally transformed America of President Obama and his acolytes, FEMA funding isn’t about disaster mitigation – it’s about surrendering to their disastrous ideology.

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Red
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I’m from the government and I am here to help you whether you like it or not.

Bryan Fullerton
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So bend over! 🙂
We got way to much government busting into states and peoples business.

heymanj
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Not to point the obvious, but Congress under Reagan pushed denial of DoT funds to any state that refused to a) set speed limit to 55MPH. The Republican Congress in 1998 also threatened DoT funding apply DWI standard of .08 (1998). Progressives live in both parties.

Vicki McConnell Stuart
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Vicki McConnell Stuart

It’s not just Dem’s…it’s progressives which are part of both parties

Bryan Fullerton
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What exactly was your point? That kind of manipulation wasn’t right then and its not right now. Oh wait! Are you stuck on the whole republicans versus dems rant?

nyb
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Reagan wasn’t in office when the dem controlled senate Passed the national maximum speed limit law in 1974.

Brendan
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Go look up how states were forced to adopt 21 as the drinking age

Katsstud
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No doubt from a Newsweek article Brendan?

Brendan
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Are you retarded?
What does Newsweek have to do with this?
I was pointing out how the federal government under Reagan, pressured the states to raise their drinking age to 21 under threat of holding back federal highway money

Rena
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But wouldn’t setting the age up 3 years help rather than hurt the people? I realize that kids can still get a hold to alcohol at that age and younger but it did cut down on some drunk driving and accidents. And lowering the speed limit was a good idea as far as I am concerned too as it did help save some fuel as well as lives.

Katsstud
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You are a crack up Brendan. An ideological sycophant who makes all sorts of statements without basis.

While I agree that Reagan eventually backed the plan to raise the drinking age, he initially opposed it. The plan originated in the Democrat controlled House and was passed by them before Reagan changed his position and backed it citing an unusual example of the proper use of limited government. Your use of the FEMA example as analogous is lame.

I suppose you might want to look up the word “retarded” before your next self-appraisal in your mirror.

Brendan
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Hey retard… try to stick with reading the words I write, not words you imagine and then you won’t look so stupid.
Go back and read where I made the comparison to the current FEMA situation that you said I made.
Oh wait… I never wrote that … yet for some retarded reason you wrote that I did.

Katsstud
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You are a bit hung up on that word Brendan..it suggests a transference issue…childhood trauma?

The article is on FEMA genius. It is a reasonable inference. Why else would you post it. You are quite the broken one.

Brendan
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Why else what I post my comment if not for the reason you wrongly assumed?
Because it was in direct response to a comment about Reagan and the federal government pressuring the states during his administration.

If you weren’t a retard, you would know how to follow a conversation and could see exactly what my comment was in response to simply by noticing the little arrow next to my name.

Katsstud
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That word doesn’t mean what you think it does Brendan…not even in the days when it was used clinically.

The inference doesn’t change even with your back peddling, but pretty much par for the course.

Brendan
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hahahaha
Back pedaling?
That is pathetic.
You made a retarded assumption and I explained the intent of my post clearly…but since it didn’t fit with your assumption, you say I’m back pedaling.
What a wonderful world you live in.
You can assume anything to fit your world view and anyone who points out your errors is lying.

I guess you think it’s easier to believe you’re right all the time without having to go through the trouble of actually being right.

Katsstud
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Looking in the mirror when you wrote that last one no doubt. You are clearly a hypocrit at best but most likely delusional. You have little common sense or a working knowledge of logic. It’s been fun, but you have nothing to give to this discussion.

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gotatake
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The tyranny of terminology, a reeducation camp by another name

Bryan Fullerton
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Fema should join the EPA in the government dustbin. They cause more trouble than they solve.

Legalize Freedom
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Come on. Somebody please secede already!

Rafael X
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Let’s just ignore rising sea levels, melting ice caps, hurricanes in New Jersey, droughts, rises in average temperature. All liberal dogma. Really want to stick to big government liberal progressive tree huggers? Every time you start your big Hummer. Put your face next to the exhaust pipe that will teach them.

Rena
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Some of those issues have been debunked such as the polar ice caps.. They have increased in size not decreased as Gore said they would. I am not an expert on this issue and have read both sides of it where half the scientists are saying we are in a climate change and the other half are claiming we are not, while both sides show credible proof for their arguments. I know what I see and I don’t see any major crisis. We have much cooler weather, back to what it was like in the 60’s – 70’s and as… Read more »
Rafael X
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Enough with liberals big cars and big planes bs. Average temperature is rising. That is measured with instruments a lot more precise and reliable than your memory. One plant burning coal to make electricity emits more greenhouse gases than 100 000 Hummers. They are the one financing the misinformation not big car owners.

Marijw
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Every time your president flies two airplanes across the US for convenience sake is he taking seriously “climate change?” Wouldn’t it be better if he set a better example or is it just satisfying his troops of tree huggers and green groups by pushing this agenda. I believe in taking care of the environment but when used as propaganda and control it is no longer about science but liberal dogma. But perhaps like most of your ilk you think you are more superior (even if in your own mind) than everyone else. Grandiosity is typical of of many in your… Read more »
Vicki McConnell Stuart
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Vicki McConnell Stuart

Do me a favor…fix yourself a nice tall glass of your favorite beverage, add ice, but don’t drink it…let me know how much the level of the fluid in your glass rises when the ice has melted…PS: Antarctic ice shelf biggest it’s ever been, everything else you sighted is nothing out of the ordinary…

Katsstud
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Rafael..such a puppet. When humans grow to adulthood they are allowed to think for themselves and not cower next to mommy’s apron. Some will never accept such a challenge to find an identity that requires personal courage and seemingly would rather just stamp their tiny feet in frustration. The space between your ears invites you to use it for independent thought, but maybe some will always be sheep. Your loss.

Rafael X
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Do you have anything to talk about besides me?

Katsstud
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Naw….too much fun and representative of the ideologues of the left and right who merely parrot the nonsense promoted by their political masters.

nyb
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Weren’t the polar ice caps suppose to be gone by now? Same with the ozone layer? At what Point will you wake up?

crm
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If you had actually been listening, no, no one predicted the glaciers would have melted by now. In fact, the rate of glacial melt in both Antarctica and Greenland is outpacing even the most radical predictions. At what point will you develop even the most basic scientific literacy.

Katsstud
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Misleading and lacking basis in fact cdm. Perhaps you should take your own advice instead of merely acting as a sycophant for your religiously political masters. Having a (D) by your name on election day does not denote special intelligence or knowledge except in your own mind.

Vicki McConnell Stuart
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Vicki McConnell Stuart

Yes they did, Al Gore I believe it was said snow and ice would be gone…Antarctic ice shelf biggest it’s ever been…http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/09/why-is-antarctic-sea-ice-at-record-levels-despite-global-warming Weird, the climate models didn’t predict this…but then again the data hasn’t been tampered with yet to further the big lie

tktimoteo
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I have no words… Completely corrupt

L P
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We need to put an end to the Govenment’s bullying of states, cities, and individuals. The government is supposed to be working FOR us, not against us.

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Danielle
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You will buy health care or else! You will believe in global climate change or else! You will work where we tell you or else! You will be herded into these government sanctioned work camps or else! You will die in a gas chamber….or else!

Keep on following the herd and you’ll end up like the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Brendan
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Denying science doesn’t make you the equivalent of the Jews under Hitler.

Vicki McConnell Stuart
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Vicki McConnell Stuart

Well it shouldn’t…Have you not heard Al Gore posit that climate change deniers should be punished…then why is FEMA threatening to remove funding if you “don’t think like them”…hmmm

Danielle
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It’s not about accepting or denying based on the merits of the evidence, Brendan, it’s being forced to believe one way or the other because some government Bureaucrat says you have to.

Brendan
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…and that is like being forced into the gas chamber?

Vicki McConnell Stuart
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Vicki McConnell Stuart

It’s not the particular act, it’s the mentality…it doesn’t have to be a gas chamber, how about re-education camp, …The Nazi’s didn’t start day 1 throwing Jews into the chambers..as more was allowed to happen unchallenged more gruesome acts followed…ever heard of ISIS?

David Chappell
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I don’t see any climate change that is not cyclical. The same with governments. Doomed to repeat.

crm
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What’s happening to our planet right now is not comparable to any natural cycle according to literally all of the scientists who are studying this.

Devil Dog
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“…according to literally all of the scientists who are studying this.” Surely then you can name many of these scientists, eh?

Dede Smith Dennis
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That’s not what the News was saying last week. Actually it was quite the opposite. That was only after they were being forced to prove their findings in front of a Senate Committee. They actually couldn’t show anything that proved the climate change was anything but a natural occurrence that we in no way could change. You are aware that the only reason the United States was explored and populated 250+ years ago was because we were ending a 500 year little ice age, and people were looking for a better life in a better climate…….You do know that right?????
crm
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What “news” and senate committee are you referring to? Scientists have shown beyond all doubt that an increase in green house gasses in the atmosphere, particularly co2 and methane, will cause the atmosphere to absorb more heat. It is just a matter of how much heat that is being debated. The top climate experts from every developed country who are studying this are saying that the current rate of climate change, particularly the melting of Antarctica and Greenland, is occurring at a rate that corresponds to no natural cycles. One idea you mentioned, that humans are unable to affect natural… Read more »
ozzy mo
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The sky is falling, The sky is falling!!

Dede Smith Dennis
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Yes they did say the earth’s climate was changing, they failed however to show it was anything other than a natural occurrence that will happen no matter what we humans do.

crm
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They “failed to show” this according to whom? Senate and house republican politicians? Come on now… The scientific community is in agreement that we are causing the drastic changes we are currently observing. Even if the Earth was supposed to be experiencing a warming trend at the moment, human activity may have drastically increased that rate of warming, causing the current rate of warming to exceed any recent natural cycle.

Dede Smith Dennis
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It’s funny when they had to prove it to get funding they had NOTHING……And the scientific community was who they were trying to get the data from. “May”-“May Not”….Who is to know with no factual data being presented.

crm
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lol you really need to explain what you’re referring to, who is “they” and what were “they” trying to get funding for? The evidence is pretty clear whether the house/senate politicians are capable of understanding it or not. So you seem to accept that the planet is warming, the glaciers are melting, but you’re arguing that we have no impact at all on the warming of the planet? Sorry, but the notion that humans can have NO impact on climate trends is idiocy, especially in the modern technological age we live in.

Devil Dog
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You really need to cite references in support of your tripe, and just what scientists (by name) are you referring to?

crm
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references for which pieces of information? an example of scientists whom are studying the temperature increase at our poles and the rate of glacial melt would be NASA’s eric rignot (along with the rest of the NASA Antarctica team) or the British Antarctic Survey team (just google them and read their reports). Have you really seen any credible scientific data that refutes the idea that the planet is warming or that we are causing it? I am content to let NASA / university professors and scientists handle this one. I admit, I am no expert. If you have some credible… Read more »
Dede Smith Dennis
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No I do not accept that the planet is heating up. I do agree the weather is changing as it always has since the beginning of time. If humans are causing it then why can’t the Scientific community prove it with factual data……It’s that simple!

crm
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Dede, scientists have proven beyond all doubt, with factual data (temperature records), that the planet is warming. We have teams of scientists who have been studying and collecting data on Antarctica and Greenland glaciers for 30 years now. We have direct temperature records from every developed country around the world going back for over a century which we use to compute global averages (this has gotten particularly accurate over the past few decades). Scientists use various methods such as studying ice cores to create temperature records for the past. Who have you been getting your information from? If you want… Read more »
Dede Smith Dennis
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And again IF all of this is true why did they not present all of the “facts” to the Senate. Probably because they cannot put a direct link to human causes. The world probably is changing why would it stop now.

crm
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lol, for like the 5th time, what senate hearing are you talking about and who is “they”. The planet’s warming is a matter of temperature measurement and observation of glacial melting which is much easier to prove. It’s true that proving human’s are the cause is much more difficult, and is a matter of understanding the extent of the roll that green house gasses play in the atmospheres temperature and a matter of creating accurate computer models that simulate what the earth is currently going through. I honestly don’t know how accurate the computer models are. Even if our top… Read more »
reticle
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The Senate is controlled by Team R; it wouldn’t matter what evidence was presented. Are you referring to the thing a couple weeks ago where the senator produced a snowball to refute the general scientific consensus as regards climate change?

Vicki McConnell Stuart
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Vicki McConnell Stuart

Yes, “literally all” the ones who study this and are funded by those (Al Gore to name just 1) that make millions of dollars off of the fear, gov’t bureacracy and corruption it generates, the very same scientists that lied and falsified their data when it didn’t fit their narrative…and yet over 30,000 scientists and other have denied the crazy rantings about global warming…yes, SCIENTISTS…http://www.marklevinshow.com/common/page.php?pt=Global+Warming+Myth&id=7393&is_corp=0

crm
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That’s just not true. Some of our top scientists studying this problem, the melting of Antarctica’s glaciers for instance, are NASA scientists. These NASA scientists are, and have been, funded by a republican house of rep. for about 4 years now. Other climate change advocates, such as professors and researchers from our top institutions, are employed by universities which are heavily invested in fossil fuels and renewable energy a like (such as Harvard). And if you are so willing to accept that all these scientists, politicians, and media advocating for climate change have been “bought out” by the renewable energy… Read more »
Thomas Darkvane
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All the scientist. Every last one of them that signed the paper stating that global warming was true. Not a one of them had any experience in actual scientific study of the subject. They were political “scientists” and other things like this. The word “science” has nothing to do with science.

crm
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What “paper” are you referring to? Something like 98% of climate experts (geologists, climatologists, earth scientists in general) are in agreement that human activity is the cause of the drastic climate change we are currently observing.

Thomas Darkvane
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You are lying again.

crm
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I really am not. Again, what “paper” were you referring to? Go watch the recent VICE episode on Antarctica’s warming if you want to hear from actual climate experts (the top NASA and British Glacier Survey scientists) who have been collecting 30 years worth of data on Antarctica.

crm
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It’s sad how stupid and crazy most of you are.

majorwiblit
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bingo….

Uncle Ruckus
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They don’t understand that the people that are fighting against climate change have a motive

crm
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There is financial incentive on both sides of the issue. However, when 95%+ of climate scientists are supporting human driven climate change, we have to start listening. If all these climate scientists were actually so easily “bought out”, as many people are arguing, then what we would actually see is half of climate scientists advocating for climate change and half of them denying climate change. However, what we actually see is nearly all scientists in support of human driven climate change.

Devil Dog
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“However, when 95%+ of climate scientists are supporting human driven climate change….”, eh? What ‘factual’ reference can you cite that backs up that statement? [factual – emphasis added]

majorwiblit
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Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources. * American Association for the Advancement of Science “The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society.” American Chemical Society “Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates… Read more »
crm
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the “97% of scientists agree” idea came from a meta-analysis of university journal articles and abstracts. I don’t know exactly how accurate their study is. Again, I am not a climate expert. Even if the number is actually 90%, or 80% ,that is still very suggestive. I would honestly love to see some good research from the climate denial camp. This debate has been hijacked by politicians from both sides. Do you know of any credible sources that refute either the planet is warming or that we are the cause?

reticle
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I think he or she meant, actually, ‘agree with the general scientific consensus that climate change is real and is caused by human activity’ rather than ‘support climate change’. Just a guess.

Stanley Andresen
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Washington State is cool and rainy on the western side of the cascade range, and hot and dry on the eastern side. Always been that way,

Rafael X
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LOL funny to see people who believe the Bible is a scientific document. Thinks the Earth is 6000 years old. Don’t believe in evolution of species even when viruses can mutate and become drug resistant. Try to pass creationism for a scientific hypothesis when nothing scientific. The people who think they can pray the drought or the gay away. These people are talking about global warming “become a religion to the left”. Now that’s rich. If we listened to people like that throughout history we would have never made it to the Moon and the Incas and the Aztecs would… Read more »
Rena
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The Bible never talks about how old the earth is and it doesn’t even state mankind is only 6k years old. You obviously haven’t been to church lately. I am a Christian and I believe in evolution, but not in the sense that we came crawling out of the sea, but more of we are evolving every day as evolution means evolving. We change to fit the environment or adapt which is what evolution is. And for your information puppet, Galileo, and many others were Christians but went against what the church claimed, and by church it was the Catholics… Read more »
crm
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You’re right, the bible doesn’t say the earth is only 6k years old. This idea came from some Christian Scholar (I forget who) centuries ago who tried to count backwards using the families which are mentioned in one of the testaments (new or old, I forget). Unfortunately, this view was adopted by many Christians and is still believed by many today. Also, if you accept that life is able to continually change (mutation) and adapt to the environment (natural selection), then, well, that’s pretty much the theory of evolution. If you accept these ideas, then it is perfectly plausible that… Read more »
Rafael X
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Well you can’t really change the definition of evolution to make it fit your beliefs. I’m talking about Charles Darwin theory of evolution. That there is a natural selection and biological changes made to species to adapt to their environment. It’s pretty precise and narrow. Gallileo was not arguing the flatness of the Earth. He was put on trial for defending Copernicus opinion that the Sun and not the Earth was the center of the universe.

MinimaC
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Bound by mis-education seems to be the mantra of the left.

Rafael X
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It’s not left or right that is being debated, it’s true or false.

Marijw
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It appears you have very little knowledge of Christians over all and even less knowledge of their teachings. Prove to me that prayer doesn’t change things, also for every statement you make there is evidence for beliefs Christians have but then truth is not your strong point is it!

majorwiblit
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prayer…. cause rubbing a magic lamp would be
considered … well… kinda crazy…

majorwiblit
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. ~ Carl Sagan

crm
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“Prove to me that prayer doesn’t change things” lol. The burden of proof falls on you to prove that it does.

Marijw
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No, it falls on the person who made the statement initially. He can’t prove it.

Rafael X
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It appears you have even less knowledge of the scientific method. Hypothesis becomes fact after it’s been proven by experimentation. I other words I don’t need to disprove your crackpot belief you need to prove them.

Marijw
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You have no idea what I know but most certainly I exist outside of a virtual world, do you? I am not a “figment of my own imagination,” as some here seem to be.

Rafael X
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I have no idea of what you know but you seem to have probe plugged straight into my brain. Do you need to believe in Yeezus to have that rare skill of mind reading that only you seem to have.

Marijw
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Never said I had any skill of the kind, are you saying I do?

Rafael X
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Whatever that was.

Rena
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If you make a statement puppet you need to back it up with proof, same as with a hypothesis.. you are making the claim that this is what Christians believe but have not shown any proof that this is what they believe. I am a Christian and do not believe as you stated. Therefore your theory is null… not all Christians believe that the earth is only 6k years old and most beleive it is much older. They are even teaching now that it wasn’t a 24 hour day to make the earth but thousands of years. Time does not… Read more »
ozzy mo
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The Bible even states that 1 year could be a thousand years in heaven

Rena
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I believe it states 1 day is that of a thousand years. But it could be more since we do not live the same time table as God does.

crm
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“They are even teaching now that it wasn’t a 24 hour day to make the earth but thousands of years.” That’s a step in the right direction for sure, but it still probably took millions of years (this is something we will never fully know). It depends what you mean by “make the earth” actually. The early earth was nothing more than a barren chunk of rock dominated by volcanism and meteor impacts. It took something like a billion years for the atmosphere to begin to form and for the earth to even remotely resemble what it is today.
Rena
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I completely agree. The Bible never states how long before “God” decided to form it into what we have today or when he decided to form it into a habitat for life. It very well could have been billions of years just floating in space.

Rafael X
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If you read carefully the poster asked to prove that prayer doesn’t work.

Rena
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You didn’t answer anything about the “prayer” part puppet… you only attacked the person stating “It appears you have even less knowledge of the scientific method. Hypothesis becomes fact after it’s been validated by experimentation. I other words I don’t need to disprove your crackpot belief you need to prove them.” Thus my reply to you puppet…

Rafael X
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Pray for the same thing ten times do you get the same results all ten times?

Rena
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So? You are the one bringing up prayer to me puppet…. do you even know what you are talking about? Seems you just keep pulling stuff out of you behind just to try to confuse things but it makes you look more and more inept… Tell your master to loosen the strings a bit puppet…

Rafael X
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First I didn’t answer the prayer question now I the one bringing prayer. Someone is missing her Ritalin today. Try to keep up.

Rena
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To refresh your memory puppet…. Here is the whole conversation we had… I did not bring up the point about prayer until you did to me you moron… now who needs meds? Read it again here… or go back to the original (unless you change it)….This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about for the most part and invent other things just so you can keep your face in the mix… you are pathetic, Puppet… Rafael X • 15 hours ago LOL funny to see people who believe the Bible is a scientific document. Thinks the… Read more »
Rafael X
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Looks like Zoloft might also be in order.

Rena
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Hahaha… keep trying puppet… You are the one looking like the fool aren’t you….

crm
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lol, only reason incas and Aztecs aren’t ruling America is because apparently they couldn’t handle small pox.

Rafael X
Guest

Survival of the fittest.

Vinny
Guest

I live in Chicago, Illinois. Where’s the climate change?

Brendan
Guest

That question doesn’t make sense.
I live in New York. Where’s this expanding universe I read about?

Vinny
Guest

Buy a good telescope.

Brendan
Guest

I’m good. I don’t deny science

majorwiblit
Guest

lol,,,, over by 37th street,, between Madison and Lex….

crm
Guest

look up!

Rafael X
Guest

It’s on TV.

Vinny
Guest

Try and convince China and India of this ” Fact.”

crm
Guest

lets try convincing America first

Uncle Ruckus
Guest

West resigned from the military in 2004, following an incident involving his unit’s treatment of an Iraqi man. West himself was charged with two violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, including one against assault, and agreed to retire after an Article 15 hearing in order to avoid a court martial.
According to a 2004 account in The New York Times, West let the soldiers under his command beat the Iraqi man, whom West believed was involved in an attempt on his life. (No evidence was ever found implicating the man).

Sgtsnuffy
Guest

Yeah what ever. I’d would have done the same thing, and it wasn’t attempt on LTC West Life, his Troops were getting ambushed left and right with regular frequency so he got the information from the “poor poor Iraq” about who, where and how. Big Whup. Hell We buried hundreds in the 1st Gulf War in their trenches when they didn’t surrender. So take you self righteousness and put it back in the closet nobody cares what you or any other Progressives think .

Nuke em All let Allah sort out the ashes.

Uncle Ruckus
Guest

And you would have been RELIEVED OF COMMAND just like allen west….he is a disgrace to the uniform!

Uncle Ruckus
Guest

No…I wouldn’t LEAD my men to violate the UCMJ.

majorwiblit
Guest

I’m still waiting for the pic of “Open Carry West”…. cowboy hat, and boots,,
down there in TX,, home of freedumb and liberty..
“Samurai West..Home on the Range”

Uncle Ruckus
Guest

Lol

ozzy mo
Guest

What is your point?

Rena
Guest

Earl has his panties in a bunch about Col West and can’t let it go. He is obsessed with West and does everything he can to try to discredit him. And he’ll go to his grave with West on his mind. pathetic

Rafael X
Guest

Now the faithful want to give science lessons. Why don’t guys start by figuring out the internet. Its been around for 30 years.

Sgtsnuffy
Guest

Yep heard Big Al Gore invented that too.

Rena
Guest

Guess what Puppet…. Science and belief in God do co-exist. There are as many scientists who are atheists/agnostics as there are believers. You trying to be a “scientist” though is a laughable subject….

Rafael X
Guest

This is what a guy dancing at the end of a string looks like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLVYjACDN1E

Rafael X
Guest

Always rambling on about me. Do you want an autograph?

Rena
Guest

You are very narcissistic aren’t you… no wonder you idolize Obama… Take a look again Puppet… I wrote about God and science… comprehension isn’t very strong with you is it?

Rafael X
Guest

You’re the one stalking and replying to every posts I make. With an endearing nickname to add to that. You have replaced Andy as my fanclub president.

Rena
Guest
For one, I do not stalk you puppet, If I did I would be on other blogs/websites you visit and check what you are doing ever moment… the only place I say anything to you is here Puppet.. and the “endearing” nickname is a name you earned by being a puppet to Earl et al. Furthermore dimwit, I do not reply to every post you write, only the ones I see you being totally off base. In addition, I said I was done with those discussions with you because it was going no where, just as I have done with… Read more »
Rafael X
Guest

Are you done?

Rena
Guest

LOL … Puppet… just stop replying to me if you don’t want me to reply back…. Don’t post on here if you don’t want people to correct you and put you in your place… Simple as that… Puppet

Rafael X
Guest

Puppet..blah blah blah puppet blah blah blahh. People are not correcting much in here. And what place is that exactly?

Rena
Guest

See,,, you can’t stop LOL…. and its all over this blog, just as I did earlier… but well… of course you wont admit it… too many to wade though to go back and dig up – plus Discus has deleted many posts past a few months… but you know what they are as do many people who have seen them…

Oh and I thought you were liking Puppet?… Puppet…

Rafael X
Guest

I don’t care one way or another. You sounding like your 5 years old.

annieoakley
Guest

Go here. Unless you can’t handle the truth. https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/ Steve has it all figured out.

Rena
Guest

Awe Puppet, did we tough a nerve…. When the truth is in your face you can’t handle it any longer. Well Puppet, i’ll end this part here… can you?

Rafael X
Guest

I got 99 problems….

majorwiblit
Guest

Internets!!, we don’t need no stinkin Internets…..

terry
Guest

The states can start denying funding to the federal government. They forget where they get their money to dole out or not dole out.

Rena
Guest

I agree, and this should happen if they want to start becoming tyrants like their Emperor. Take their funds away and they won’t be trying to force anything down anyone’s throat. Just do what they are supposed to do and be there when emergencies arise. No one can predict 100% of what the weather will be like tomorrow and even years from now.

Rafael X
Guest

And how would they do that genius?

ProNoblem
Guest

Take the fact that Texas joined the union by treaty with several provisions. One being that it could leave the union at any time it chooses. So it is possible.

terry
Guest

It’s called secession and it’s already started in some ways.

Rafael X
Guest

Remember last time some tried? More crackpot BS.

majorwiblit
Guest

I say let em all (red states) secede,,,, most are takers anyway
G’… I would donate cash in favor of that….

Sgtsnuffy
Guest

All the States have to do is, SAY NO !!!!!

Rafael X
Guest

Yeah preferably in all caps.

majorwiblit
Guest

ALL CAPS mean truth…lol

Sgtsnuffy
Guest

If I was the Governor I’d tell to take their so called AID and shove it where the Sun Don’t Shine. And take Obama With You.

Rena
Guest

Sounds like a good idea… Perhaps start their own organization or fund a program to take care of this problem when it arises.

crm
Guest

lol. “take care of this problem when it arises”. The most idiotic way to approach disaster relief. A state hit by a hurricane wouldn’t get relief for over a year or more if congress waited till it actually happened.

Rena
Guest

I apologize for not being more clear about what I said. In other words, each state should make their own provisions and keep some sort of organization that they are responsible for. No organization that is federally funded should have the right to say you either agree with us or you are out. But a state funded program should be in place so that the states shouldn’t have to wait x amount of days or months for help. If it is state ran then the response time would be a lot quicker.

Rafael X
Guest

Scott will be on his knees begging Obama for money at the next hurricane. Just like Christie did. Anyone still remember their warm embrace? No matter how much they don’t want to say “climate change”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLVYjACDN1E

Rena
Guest

Thing is, the president and FEMA should be taking care of it no matter what… that is what they were created for…. not to pick and choose and play politics.

Rafael X
Guest

They are not playing politics. It’s the same thing for every state doesn’t seem like he’s picking and choosing.

Rena
Guest

You empty headed Puppet… Its playing politics with ALL states as they are requiring all of them to do this. Is your comprehension that bad? They either have to do it or they don’t get the service moron…. Its playing politics… if you do it you get the service if you don’t you are on your own…

Rafael X
Guest

The one playing politics is the one with the stupid gag order. Global warming is scientific fact nothing to do with politics. Copy/paste “puppet” from notepad you’ll save time.

annieoakley
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No. Temperatures have been flat for 18 years. NOAA, NASA are altering temperatures to keep their funding by the government. They are feeding you lies. If Barry was so concerned about CO2, why did he and Michelle take separate jets to the same state last weekend? 250,000lbs of CO2/jet?

crm
Guest

lol nasa has been funded by a republican congress for 4 years now. How stupid are you? NASA is probably not altering data, and temperatures have not been flat for 18 years.

annieoakley
Guest

I don’t care who funds NASA. Congress pays them to perpetuate the global warming meme because Repubs. have no, zero, zilch scientific knowledge either. it is about power and control over you/me.

Rafael X
Guest

Any proof or you’re pulling those fact from somewhere dark. One fossil fuel plant emits more greenhouse gases than 100 000 private jets.

annieoakley
Guest

What is a greenhouse gas? How many lbs of this ‘gas’ does a fossil fuel plant produce? You have zero facts pulled from anywhere. Google Photosynthesis.

Rafael X
Guest

I learned about photosynthesis in the 6th grade, at a public school, way before Google or the internet was a thing. If you don’t know what a greenhouse gas is. Go start your car, lean next to the exhaust and take a deep breath. I promise you’ll find out.

Rena
Guest
Nah, I don’t need to copy paste it Puppet. I am fully capable of writing it out,. Both groups of scientists have scientific proof that their theory is fact. Both show evidence to prove that its both real or made up and over exaggerated.. Therein lies the problem Puppet, that you get people like you who take that science as 100% proof that it exists where others have debunked some of those findings. And where I do not take it for 100% as truth on either side as nothing is 100%. We can’t even be 100% sure that the sun… Read more »
crm
Guest

yes there are some scientists in the denial camp, but when something like 97% of scientists are in agreement that global warming is happening and we are causing it, listening to them would be the sensible thing to do.

Rena
Guest
As for the 97%, that is debatable… I am not saying we don’t have some global warming or climate change, but not all is due to humans producing this problem, it has been a natural phenomenon since the beginning and all planets probably go through the same process. We have had the El Nino/ La Nina effect since they have been keeping records on the temperature. And we have no idea how much has happened before we were keeping records. I know we have the Ice Cores to give a somewhat indication to what the weather was like over time… Read more »
Rafael X
Guest

97% of climate scientists think it’s a problem. Verifiable science. The other 3% are bought off by fossil fuel industry. Try copy/paste.

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

annieoakley
Guest

They lie.

Rena
Guest

I wouldn’t say they lie but the number of scientist who agree is probably not as high as the NASA article wants us to believe.

annieoakley
Guest

These are not ‘Scientists’ but they really are changing the numbers. Steve Goddard at wordpress has been able to catch them changing temperature in the records.

Rena
Guest

Not all agree and that percentage is debatable. Like I said, nothing can be stated as being 100%, even scientists will tell you that.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136

crm
Guest
we only have direct temperature records for 200 years, but using indirect records we can go back much farther than that. Even if the number of scientists that agree about global warming is only 95%, or 90%, that’s still a pretty good consensus and their opinion is what we should be acting on. You really think we should be acting based off of the 5%? There will never be 100% consensus on any issue, nor will they ever be able to prove the causes of global warming 100%. Nonetheless, we still have to make a choice whether to act or… Read more »
Rena
Guest
Still the percentage of scientist who agree is debatable in my opinion. But that is not what we should depend on either. The science “facts” that both groups pose are compelling and as I said none is 100%. We owe this earth to take care of it in the best way we know how. But as for the article, I’m sorry I don’t mean to keep repeating myself, no organization should have the right, whether they are right or wrong on the issue, to deny help that is federally funded. This is the tax payers money and they have the… Read more »
Rafael X
Guest

Of those 30 000. 39 are climatologist and 341 are meteorologist. If you are going to consider the expertise of the 342 computer science experts you might as well consider me too. And of course there are no names and no way to verify their “credentials” which means any of them can be Allen West’s public defender. Roy Spencer is a signatory of An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming and a believer of intelligent design.

http://www.petitionproject.org/qualifications_of_signers.php

Rena
Guest

A paragraph is hardly a novel.. but then to you it might be… again comprehension is not your strong point and anything over a couple paragraphs is too much for your empty head.

Rena
Guest
Ok 39 are climatologist, and 341 are meteorologist… you don’t think other scientists know about it? Have studied it? Did you read the article and see that he stated they are also well qualified to comment on it. Did you get the names of the 97% who said that it is real and man made? Please provide that to us and who all were in attendance, and also please provide the data they used to determine the “facts”, not to mention the questions posed to them. You have an agenda and that is to debunk anything West has to say,… Read more »
Rafael X
Guest

And the NASA link is saying the total opposite of what he is saying. Now it’s outdated. That’s how science works, that’s how technology works. You move on from outdated view once you have new evidence.

Rena
Guest

And you haven’t moved on… why Puppet?

Rafael X
Guest

LOL, because of atmospheric redeployment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLVYjACDN1E

Rena
Guest

You haven’t stopped yet?? LOL… Ok back to your post where you linked this:

http://www.petitionproject.org/qualifications_of_signers.php

Did you bother to read it entirely? Id like to wager you didn’t… I’d like to thank you for it… and add this to it…

http://www.petitionproject.org/purpose_of_petition.php

Rafael X
Guest

Did you watch the video?

Rena
Guest

And Puppet…. the petition project page you linked… it did name names LOL… you are either very blind or very stupid… Looks like your master forgot to pull your brain string….

Rafael X
Guest

Yeah yeah yeah the usual regression into childhood. Funny how you didn’t call me names when you thought you had a point. Have a good night.

Rena
Guest

Saw it the first time you posted it.. so what? I can care less what that idiot is saying… we were discussing scientists at this point…
This is your sad attempt to deflect the discussion elsewhere… and unlike you Puppet, I like to stay on topic of what we were discussing… so try again puppet…

Rena
Guest

I missed a couple posts where I didn’t call you Puppet.. Keeping score? Perhaps that was when you were really offering some real discussion instead of the “West is blah blah blah”

And silly one, I made a point on each one, each, including the last one countering what you wrote … like i said… you get it from both sides… both show their proof of either supporting or debunking it.

Now you can go… Puppet..