Jihad vs Crusades: facts are a pain

Can someone please get this to Rasputin aka Valerie Jarrett for President Obama to view? It’s just 5 minutes long, surely it can hold his attention that long.

The great thing about history, regardless of what a teleprompter says, is it cannot be revised. At least for the literate.

351 COMMENTS

  1. So the argument is comparing the Crusades to Islamic empire’s conquests.
    But that presumes that the Crusades were the only Christian conquests.
    There were Christian conquests all over the globe.

    • Obama talked about the Crusades. This is the response. You still want to say what’s happening is the fault of Christians? Crazy. Just crazy.

      • Renny, be aware that Brenden is nothing more than a troll that seeks out articles to disagree with. He apparently doesn’t realize how foolish he appears to the thinking class in that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about before commenting. You know, like the uproar over the comment his King made at the Prayer Breakfast recently in comparing the acts of terrorists to the Crusades with no fact or basis and the response in this article/video pointing out the facts regarding the Crusades . He said “that presumes that the Crusades were the only Christian conquests.” yet he failed to mention that, if that were true, then the video must also presume that there have only been the 548 jihad battles which we know is woefully untrue.

      • Wow. You completely missed my point.
        Good for you.

        Measuring only the Crusades against ALL Muslim conquests is absurd as it deliberately ignores every other Christian conquest… which you are also doing.

      • Actually it si perfectly legitimate because other “conquests” were not made in the name of Christianity. Only the Crusades were made in the name of Christianity. And it is not really fair to call them conquests in as much as no country conquested, rather Europeans banded together to create a zone of safety for Christianity that was not under their rule per se, but under its own rulers.

      • They were expansions of empires and often done in the name of religion… but couldn’t that be also said of the Islamic empire expansion?

        just to be clear… right now… in the 21st Century, war and brutality is being committed in the name of Islam, not Christianity… so I don’t want to give the impression that I am comparing modern Christians to modern muslims.

        but is we really want to talk about the history of wars centuries ago, in the name of religion, we have to be honest about it.

      • If you want people to take you seriously then get the facts to back up your comments and post them here.

      • You could start with the Spanish conquests of the Americas in the name of the church and work back or you could begin at the Holey Roman empire’s conquests and forced conversions, or the Byzantine conquests in the East.
        Christianity was not just spread by missionaries carrying books.

      • We’re not talking about the history of wars here, Brendan. Go back and start over. obama basically told us all (at a Prayer Breakfast, no less) to get off our high horse and quit talking about how atrocious the acts of muslim terrorists are because they’re no worse than what happened during the Crusades…you know, slavery and all. Then West posts this video explaining the FACTS behind the Crusade…a clear response to jihad that had been going on a long time over an extensive area…which made it obvious how absolutely ridiculous it was to come out and make such ludicrous comments because anyone with any knowledge of history knew it was totally BS when he said it. Now we’re discussing it. You should now be up to speed.

      • Obama’s comment was stupid.
        I am not defending him.

        The attached video, however, compares the crusades to Islamic conquests, which is a misleading comparison because it omits all Christian conquests outside of the Crusades.

      • LOL!! Wow, you really do need to get a life, Brendan. Arguing for the sake of arguing is no way for someone as young as you to spend their time. Go out, meet people, make friends, have a good time, it will make all those hours you sat in front of your pc looking for some sort of communication (even if it is disputing others or injecting words that aren’t relevant to the subject) seem like such a waste. It’s Saturday night and I, myself, have plans so bye bye.

      • Okay… bye.
        It’s sad that you think correcting false information is a waste of time
        And it’s a shame that you think it is arguing for the sake of arguing.
        Your whole comment was just a personal insult.
        i guess you couldn’t disagree with anything I wrote but you just didn’t like it

      • You could start with the Spanish conquests of the Americas in the name
        of the church and work back or you could begin at the Holey Roman
        empire’s conquests and forced conversions, or the Byzantine conquests in
        the East.

      • LOL! Those were wars of ideologies?? How damn desperate and stupid are you in trying to equate ISIS with Christians?

      • See, sane people don’t want to talk about the history of religious wars centuries ago, we want to talk about what pisslam is doing TODAY, right this minute. And the FACT that they will NEVER stop doing what they do. Only koranimals and koranimal apologists keep dragging up the Crusades, etc.

      • Wow… that was stupid.
        Sane people understand that comments about religious wars centuries ago belong on a thread about religious wars centuries ago.
        maybe you should scroll up and see what the topic of this thread is.
        i’m talking about wars centuries ago on an article about wars centuries ago

      • Sane people understand that there is NO REASON to whine about religious wars centuries ago when pisslam is STILL slaughtering and repressing people TODAY, right this minute. We don’t have TIME to hash out jihad vs crusades, we are fighting for human civilization RIGHT NOW.

      • [[ so I don’t want to give the impression that I am comparing modern Christians to modern muslims.]]

        LOL! That’s exactly what you’re doing coward!

      • The crusades are the only Christian “conquest” that’s even remotely comparable to Islamic jihad. This article is in response to Muslim apologists that bring up the crusades to try and dilute the evil that is Islam. Not the other way around.

      • It was the president who actually compared the two singling out the Crusades in the comparison which spawned the facts of that map/video. The real point and the difference was that the Crusades were in defense to the Islam attacks. The president missed that because he doesn’t know the meaning of defense but he sure does know the meaning of attack which is why he sides with Islam and dismisses the reference of defense. Was not his place at a prayer breakfast to attack the Christian religion to justify the Islam one. And the high horse comment was an attack on our intelligence and a condescending from his ivory tower.

      • A reasonable person who knows that comparing all Islamic conquests to only the Crusades, while leaving out all Christian conquests, is deliberately misleading.

      • [[ while leaving out all Christian conquests,]]

        What other Christian conquests? Still waiting.

        http://clashdaily.com/2014/11/

        THE CRUSADES: A Direct Response To Islam’s Bloodlust
        crusaders
        Written by Audrey Russo on November 9, 2014

        Most of us infidels in the West have been lied to. Trusting the education system, foolishly, we believed all the bunk bundled into our textbooks concerning the period in history (1096 AD -1272 AD) when the Crusades took place…they left out an itty bitty piece of info…This will be great for all your “enlightened” friends…

        The real reason WHY the Crusades took place…and here’s the shocker: It was a response to Islam’s aggression!

        That’s right…it all began with Muhammed’s implicit threat more than 450 years before the Crusaders entered

      • No. Crazy is criticizing me for saying something I never did.
        I never said that what is happening is the fault of Christians.
        If you have an issue with something I wrote, feel free to respond to that… not to things you imagined I wrote.

      • http://en.wikipedia.org/
        wiki/Category:Battles_of_the_Crusades Here is a list of battles all over Europe and the Middle East. You may notice that there are many more battles than the video claims (16) and no mention at all about island of Cyprus (shown clearly on the map with no battle)
        The island was conquered in 1191 by King Richard I of England during the
        Third Crusade. Many tomes have been written about this, why would it be omitted in this video along with the hundreds of other major battles?
        http://www.ranker.com/
        list/a-list-of-all-crusades-battles/reference This video is easily debunked as it is clear there were only 16 battles over several hundred years if you stop counting at 16.

      • If you click on some of those battles, you will see that the list includes battles started by Muslims. In this video, he shows battles started by each side separately. Obviously the combined number would be larger than the separate numbers.

      • Copy and paste the entire link and then take some basic computer instruction instead of just reading How to Troll books.

    • Are you referring to nations building empires? Because that was generally done in the name of power or profit, even when they said it was in the name of Christianity.

  2. This presentation has to do with the TRUTH about Jihad/Crusades. Don’t fool yourself for one minute that Obozo will watch it because it contains THE TRUTH, something he is extremely allergic to!

    • If the Crusades were defensive then why were these people fighting in the middle east and not fighting where they came from they were ASSAULTING meaning they were on the offensive They wanted control of this so called holy land not because they were in self defense

      • Hey clown…………………

        http://clashdaily.com/2014/11/crusad…ams-bloodlust/

        THE CRUSADES: A Direct Response To Islam’s Bloodlust
        crusaders
        Written by Audrey Russo on November 9, 2014

        Most of us infidels in the West have been lied to. Trusting the education system, foolishly, we believed all the bunk bundled into our textbooks concerning the period in history (1096 AD -1272 AD) when the Crusades took place…they left out an itty bitty piece of info…This will be great for all your “enlightened” friends…

        The real reason WHY the Crusades took place…and here’s the shocker: It was a response to Islam’s aggression!

        That’s right…it all began with Muhammed’s implicit threat more than 450 years before the Crusaders entered

      • No they werent Crusades was a direct response like Judaism and Islam they wanted controle of Jerusalem not because Islam was on a war path you have too understand Islam at first started with ONE man who was persacuted for his beliefs

      • If someone attacks you, where do you attack them?

        Muslims were invading Europe. Besides, it’s not like Muslims hadn’t taken Jerusalem before the Crusaders took it from them.

      • Yes and that is the real reason why they were there for Jerusalem not because they were in self defense Jews and christians faught over jerusalem before there were Muslims around

      • It was in self-defense and for control of Jerusalem.

        Jews and Christians did not fight over Jerusalem before Islam. It was taken from the Jews by the Babylonians, who lost it to the Persians, who lost it to the Greeks, who lost it to the Romans, who lost it to the Muslims. There were some Christian Roman leaders towards the end of the Roman rule, but Jerusalem was not fought for or taken by Christians until the Crusades.

      • DUH why were they not fighting in the west..WELL WHO WERE THE MUSLIMS FIGHTING?…CHRISTIANS FOUGHT THEM IN THE WEST FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS..THE REAL REASON THEY WENT TO THE EAST WAS BECAUSE THE BYZANTINE EMPOROR ASKED THE ROMAN POPE TO SEND HELP..TO…EM..LETS SEE..OH YEH
        TO HELP STOP THE MUSLIMS KILLING CHRISTIANS IN HIS KIINGDOM…KIND REGARDS

  3. Muslims have been gaining in numbers and territory by torturing and killing unbelievers since the 7th century until the Ottoman empire was broken up after WWI in 1924. They enslaved and raped captive women and children during their rein of terror. They tried to invade Europe many times but were pushed back by the Crusades. Unless we know history we are fooled into believing Terrorism is something new by Islam because of the “terrible things the United States is doing” or because ” Israel was made into a nation after WWII”. The truth is terrorist are following the teachings of the Quran just like they did during the Ottoman empire. Moderate Muslims are just the ones that don’t take Islam seriously. The radical Muslims are the ones who take it seriously because Islam is a radical belief. Islam seeks the establishment of Sharia law that calls for the submission and or death of unbelievers. Our constitution guarantees freedom of religion. Sharia law is, of its own nature, unconstitutional and can not be permitted in order to protect the very freedom of religion it seeks to destroy. The other problem with Islam is it isn’t just a religion, it is also a form of government that seeks to replace other forms of governments.

    • There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the World today and you really believe the 300k fighting for ISIS are the only ones who take Islam seriously. It’s like saying those murdering homosexuals in Africa in the name of Christianity are the only ones who takes it seriously. Terrorism is not a religious or Islamic thing. A lot of people used it throughout history, it was not invented by Islam. Catholic Christian IRA is classified as a terrorist organization. You don’t look like you ever cracked the Quran opened.

      • A Muslim who doesn’t practice Jihad is no different than a Catholic who uses birth control. Both are going against the teachings of their religion.

      • Jihad in all of its meaning does not just stand for war seeking knowledge is a form of Jihad over coming your own desires is a form of Jihad and Jihad in its correct context when it comes to war should only be allowed in self defense

      • So then they conquered all the land shown in this video in self defense right? All those Muslims just so happen to have gotten their religion wrong, including Muhammad, but you and your modern western interpretation have it right? Somehow I think not.

      • This video isent even remotely accurate but the Whole Islamic expansion in self defense no it was not but it did start off that way and you have to understand it started off with one man and the early followers were oppressed and killed from other religious groups because of their belief.

      • May I ask about what? Because I could be but I’ve studied Islam and other religions and I’m only stating what I have studied and learned from other people

      • If you studied in the public school system, or on some college campuses, you only got the leftist version of history. Do some research on your own and see what you find.

      • Not a religious or Islamic thing? You do realize don’t you, that ISIS stands for Islamic State in Iraq and Syria? And that they have declared a global caliphate (another Muslim term) and that they are waging jihad (also a Muslim thing)? Oh yeah, yelling Allah Akbar as they cut off people’s heads. But no, that wouldn’t be a religious or Muslim thing. Quit drinking the Obama kool-aid

      • The KKK was a Southern Democrat political movement that hijacked Christ to make it look more palatable to Bible belt southerners, some of whom went along or turned a blind eye, but not all. Their goal was to scare blacks into submission and away from wanting to vote and other rights. They killed and terrorized yes, but to the extent of Muslims, who literally conquered and took over nations in an attempt to claim all of Europe and Asia for Mohammed? Seriously? This is the most pitiful excuse for allowing Muslim terrorism to continue that is used. It is laughable. The KKK was put in their rightful place by saner folks.

        Those of you making excuses for what is happening today by Jihadists , by claiming that what they are doing is equivalent to the KKK are just as guilty of fanning the flames as those who are raping and beheading, throwing gays off of towers, burning men alive.

        You are burying your own head in the sands of your hatred for Christianity or all things religious and missing the truth of what is happening right now.

        Don’t give these terrorists legitimacy or you are just as guilty as those who turned their heads at the KKK.

        And all those folks who want to claim that religions have killed more people than any other reason, prove it. I say GREED has killed more people and Greedy kings & leaders use religion as their excuse.

      • Another stupid azz……………..

        http://clashdaily.com/2014/11/crusad…ams-bloodlust/

        THE CRUSADES: A Direct Response To Islam’s Bloodlust
        crusaders
        Written by Audrey Russo on November 9, 2014

        Most of us infidels in the West have been lied to. Trusting the education system, foolishly, we believed all the bunk bundled into our textbooks concerning the period in history (1096 AD -1272 AD) when the Crusades took place…they left out an itty bitty piece of info…This will be great for all your “enlightened” friends…

        The real reason WHY the Crusades took place…and here’s the shocker: It was a response to Islam’s aggression!

        That’s right…it all began with Muhammed’s implicit threat more than 450 years before the Crusaders entered

    • Especially when it is in your scriptures that you can kill those who don’t convert to your religion. That is a real problem. Continues to be.

  4. What Obama said about the Christian crusades is a common comeback statement made by Muslims when they are criticized about jihad in an effort to marginalize critics the same way they do by using the coined term Islamophobia..Obama once again shows his true colors.

  5. In my opinion, the only people who would have a problem with what President Obama said, are people who would commit horrible acts in the name of Christianity.

    • Hey dumb-fuck, your POS Ape-In-Chief needs to read his history before he starts sukkin terrorist dikk.

      http://clashdaily.com/2014/11/crusad…ams-bloodlust/

      THE CRUSADES: A Direct Response To Islam’s Bloodlust
      crusaders
      Written by Audrey Russo on November 9, 2014

      Most of us infidels in the West have been lied to. Trusting the education system, foolishly, we believed all the bunk bundled into our textbooks concerning the period in history (1096 AD -1272 AD) when the Crusades took place…they left out an itty bitty piece of info…This will be great for all your “enlightened” friends…

      The real reason WHY the Crusades took place…and here’s the shocker: It was a response to Islam’s aggression!

      That’s right…it all began with Muhammed’s implicit threat more than 450 years before the Crusaders entered

      • I can see you don’t trust the educational system English courses either. You may be taken more seriously in the adults conversation if you used spell check. Maybe you should take your own advice and try reading a book instead of contemplating oral sex on terrorists.

    • In my opinion, trolls are despicable little creatures.

      Goes to show, you don’t think first about what you write. You’ve just insinuated that the majority of Americans who “have a problem with what President Obama said” will commit horrible acts. The mind is a terrible thing to waste, Earl Lee.

  6. I’m an Irish Christian but this really is hilarious… it must have come right out of Fox News! So slavery was invented by Islam.. lol I think the Roman/Byzantine Empire and those before it might have something to say about that! Brilliant! And Christianity was a peaceful benevolent force was it? As I recall it the Crusades, The Inquisition, The Dark Ages, The Christian conquest slavery and Genocide of the Americas, World War 1, World War 2, The Holocaust, in fact all the most evil events ever carried out by human beings seem to have been done by Christians… tut tut! And as for the Crusades themselves… maybe Dr. Bill (Doctor? Seriously? :D) should remind us what went on on cities under Islam… where in magical cities like Cordoba they had street lights and a sewerage system, while Baghdad hosted the largest library in the world, while Christian cities like Paris and London were dirty poverty stricken rat infested dumps! Don’t forget bill to tell your viewers that when the Christians launched their Crusade they couldn’t find any Muslims as it was such a long way to the Holy Land.. so instead they wiped out every Jewish community they could find… in the first Holocaust… you wont hear about that on Fox News! Also don’t forget to remind your viewers that when the Crusaders took Jerusalem they raped looted and murdered EVERY Jew, Muslim and Christian within the walls! The streets ran with blood. And lets not forget that when Sultan Saladin retook the city many years later he allowed the Christians to leave in peace! Oops! Lastly the Crusades haven’t ended.. they are ongoing and are fielded today by a murderous genocidal political quasi-religious movement called Zionism which has brought nothing but misery and pain to the Holy Land since it was forced on the Jews, Christians and Muslims there through the Apartheid state of Israel!

      • Doug, if Odysseus can’t figure out the Islamic conquests and the accompanying slaughter and enslavement of Christians and Jews started centuries before the Crusades or the much later Inquisition, and those events were a reaction to being attacked, he’s not smart enough to understand history..

        He also seems to think it was okay for Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor and we should have let Hitler conquer all of Europe and murder all the Jews… In fact he seems to strongly dislike the Jewish people.

        As far as “advanced cities of ancient Islam.. Geez, when they built Dubai just a few years ago they forgot to include sewers..all the stuff has to be trucked out of the city

    • He never said slavery was invented by Islam.

      The Crusades were defensive wars, and the inquisition is often vastly exaggerated. In reality, it caused only a few thousand deaths over hundreds of years. You’ll have to elaborate on the Dark Ages. Christians conquered the Americas, but not in the name of Christ. It was mostly in the name of country and/or profit. Slavery was universal. It can easily be argued that Christianity led to the end of slavery. There wasn’t really an American genocide. The vast majority of Native American deaths were caused by disease, not by war. World War 1 and World War 2 were not Christian wars, and the Holocaust was not caused by Christians.

      The technology of Islamic nations at the time is completely irrelevant.

      The only genocide going on in the Middle East right now is against the Jews in Israel. If the Islamic groups would stop attacking Israel, the killing would stop.

    • You need to go research the Muslim crusades in 630. 400 years before the Christian crusades. See how many Christians and not converters they killed. They killed all blacks and their off spring because they believed blacks could not control their sexual appetites. The only ones they left alive were the ones they kept as slaves. They invaded and destroyed for 400 years before the Pope sent the Christians to stop their domination. They are still killing to this day.

    • You seem to forget that the muslims took over 1 MILLION prisoners as slaves, concubines and indentured servants! The rest they killed. You won’t hear THAT on any news outlet today!

    • Hello Adrian Parkes, read my comment in reply to this blah blah in the FB comments above. I guess if you hear and repeat something often enough you begin to believe it yourself. So here goes: “you are well educated and love to read books. you make sound, sensible conclusions to the information you take in for yourself. you do not listen to people who are not sound researchers and thinkers. you are not a sheep.” Repeat this out loud to yourself 10 times a day and make some kind of effort to make it a reality. Go to the library and read history books everyday for an hour. Be your own man.

  7. “For evil to ‘prevail’ is for good men to do nothing. Well then,

    “ISLAM IS AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN RADICAL-ISLAM, (TERRORISM) – (EVIL)!
    And RADICAL-ISLAM IS AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN ISLAM, (TERRORISM) – (EVIL)!
    Period”,,,,,

    to ‘prevail’ is for good-Muslims to do nothing. Well, then where are they? Why don’t they speak-out. Why, isn’t there demonstrations against those, doing these appalling acts? And where would the media be if they did?

  8. Since 622 Islam has been a religion of terror, nothings changed. Obummer needs to check his history book before he shoots his mouth off. He’s is nothing more than a mouth piece for C A I R, a traitor to our constitution and needs to be impeached. C A I R and other muslims in the USA who are trying to create muslim communities where Sharia law would be used are a cancer to our constitutional law and a clear and direct threat to our country. They are traitors and there actions are treason. They need to be exported immediately or shot.

  9. The Fourth Crusade
    When Obama cited the Crusades, it was to conjure the image of Christians doing their own brand of Jihad in centuries past. But what kind of Holy War was the Fourth Crusade? As always, the goal was to take Jerusalem back for Christianity, but the long slog to the Holy Land in the early 13th century was dangerous and slow. The mostly French holy soldiers of the Fourth Crusade sought a quicker passage, by boat to Egypt, and the independent state of Venice offered to lend 200 boats to make it happen. But Venice had a condition — help us retake the city of Zara from Hungarian invaders. So before they could leave for Egypt, the crusaders attacked Zara — a Christian city — to conquer it for Venice. With that dirty work out of the way, they set sail for Constantinople and did the unthinkable, sacking the largest, most sophisticated city in Christendom on the promise of cash offered by a pretender to the city’s throne. Sated with blood and gold, the crusaders headed home after defeating Constantinople, and never even got to the Holy Land.
    Praise the G-sus!!!

    • The Pope forbade the attack against the Christian cities, even excommunicating the crusaders after the first attack (he later rescinded the excommunication because at least some of the crusaders were forced to fight). In other words, the Christian Church never allowed, let alone endorsed, the attacks.

      • ” In 1095, Pope Urban II proclaimed the First Crusade with the stated goal of restoring Christian access to holy places in and near Jerusalem. Many historians and some of those involved at the time, like Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, give equal precedence to other papal-sanctioned military campaigns undertaken for a variety of religious, economic, and political reasons, such as the Albigensian Crusade, the Aragonese Crusade, the Reconquista, and the Northern Crusades.”

        Davies 1997, pp. 362–364
        16 Crusades. ALL approved by the Catholic Church as a means for crusaders to be absolved of their sins. Get your history straight instead of drinking Allen’s Kool-Aide.

      • Your question doesn’t make sense. You said the Fourth Crusade was about killing Christians. I said the church never sanctioned, and even forbade, the killing of Christians. Now you’re asking me why there were 16 Crusades (source?) if the Pope forbade the killing of Christians in the Fourth Crusade?

      • I never posted anything about the 4th Crusade. Please re-post my quote if I did. Like far too many of you West lemmings, you avoid the point and make up what other people post. I merely pointed out that there were 16 crusades.

        My bad. When is the last time any of you lemmings admitted a mistake? There were only 9 Crusades.

        A Manual of Church History, Albert Henry Newman, p. 461

      • Ah, sorry, that was the guy I was replying to before you. My point still stands, though. Just replace “you” with “he”.

        “When is the last time any of you lemmings admitted a mistake?”
        While I wouldn’t call myself a lemming, I did just admit a mistake.

  10. The Holocaust
    Many conservatives have attempted to obscure the Nazi Party’s ties to extreme Christianism by asserting the Nazi officers dabbled in the occult or to risibly accuse the German National Socialist Party of being a left-wing, atheist organization. In fact the Nazis were staunchly Christian and relied heavily on the anti-Semitic theories and writings of Martin Luther, founder of the Protestant church.

    “We are at fault in not avenging all this innocent blood of our Lord and the blood of the children [Jews] have shed since then (which still shines forth from their eyes and their skin),” wrote Luther. “We are at fault in not slaying them.”

    • And yet Hitler was not a Christian, and actually hated Christianity…

      Using quotes to convince people to do things doesn’t mean Nazis were Christian. They were opportunistic and manipulative, but they weren’t Christian.

      • “In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in the pursuit and maintenance of power was prepared to delay clashes with the churches out of political considerations.[4] Hitler’s architect Albert Speer believed he had “no real attachment” to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade Joseph Goebbels, Hitler was not excommunicated prior to his suicide.”

        Guenter Lewy; The Catholic Church And Nazi Germany; 1964; p. 303

        Nice try!

      • Your quote supports what I said. Hitler himself was against Christianity, but he used Christianity to push his political agendas. He may not have been excommunicated, but as your own quote says, he had “no real attachment” to Catholicism.

        To quote you, “Nice try!”

      • You’re absolutely right. Hitler was a sick, miserable human being, entirely hooked on drugs. There was nothing Christian about him.

    • Very good, Joseph Goebbels. The fact is hitler was not a Christian. He may have claimed to be a member of some church as though he accepted the teachings of Christ, but it was no more real for him than it is for obama. hitler removed any mention of God from the schools and government then from any mention of God in public.
      You do not know history

  11. The Ku Klux Klan
    America’s earliest home-grown white nationalist militia rooted their pro-segregation philosophy and anti-black and anti-Jew violence in the belief that they were enforcing God’s law on behalf of the chosen people, the white race.

    To this day, Klansmen and women will cheerfully assure you that they are good, law-abiding Christians who are acting out of defense of what they see as a beleaguered white population.
    “We don’t hate people because of their race, I mean, we’re a Christian organization,”said the Klan’s Frank Ancona in 2014. “We want to stay white. It’s not a hateful thing to want to maintain white supremacy.”

    bet you thought Christianity was Easter Lilies and Christmas Trees,,huh??

      • Remember people like nancy pelosi claims to be Catholic and is pro-abortion on demand. 100% not in keeping with the teachings of Christ. This applies to anyone who calls themselves a democrat as their basic tenants are in direct conflict with everything Christ taught.

    • Jesus taught love your neighbor. Muhammad taught kill anyone not like you. They treat women like dogs. Big difference in teachers. People not obeying Christ commandments were not true Christians. Isis are following Muhammad’s commands they are evil as Muhammad and are true Muslims. People who are Muslim and peaceful are not following the Koran

      • Jesus taught love your neighbor but don’t help him if he’s hungry and don’t teach him to fish and protect the unborn but starve them once they are here???

    • Are you a democrat? If so you’re one of those special ones that ignore history of the democrat party, who acted against blacks since before the civil war and enslave blacks still today on the handout plantation of ‘free stuff if you vote for me’.

    • just because those idiots call themselves Christian it doesn’t make them Christian. Christians have to live a holy life and fully follow Jesus’ teachings to the best of their ability, we will never be perfect because of original sin but we sure can try to be good people in the eyes of our Lord. I’ll pray for you that you not be so bitter and angry.

      • Your post: “Such acts are very rare, and not encouraged by Christianity. The people who commit the acts might in fact be “some of the most dangerous and violent religious zealots in the U.S. today”, but that’s only because, aside from Muslim terrorists, there aren’t really any other “dangerous and violent religious zealots in the U.S. today”. They’re near the top of the list because the list is incredibly short.”

        No sources. Ergo, subjective opinion.

      • That’s a different comment than the one you’re responding to here. I’ll still respond though:

        Not really. Or do you think there are a lot of “dangerous and violent religious zealots in the U.S. today”, not including Muslim terrorists? Do you have sources to back that up? I looked, but I couldn’t find any. You can find tons of Muslim terrorists, but very few Christian terrorists. When you do find Christian terrorists, their death counts are usually well below 5.

      • Search, “Christian Extremism.” It goes on to this day and is responsible for FAR more than 5 deaths. Don’t you folks EVER do any fact checking before you make these inane posts?

      • I did. I found very few cases of people actually killing in the name of Christianity, and the few I did find resulted in very few deaths.

        I didn’t mean under 5 in total. I meant individually.

      • I did search. You said my findings were wrong. And yet you refuse to point me toward your supposedly superior research… Is that because it doesn’t exist?

  12. those silly christians,,, you never know what they will be up to next….

    Anti-choice violence
    Because these individuals believe that God is acting through them to save the lives of unborn children, they are willing to commit acts of extreme violence to deny women access to reproductive health care.
    So-called “pro-life” organizations have become some of the most dangerous and violent religious zealots in the U.S. today. It is hard to isolate any single incident because over the last two decades, groups like Operation Rescue have set fire to women’s health centers, murdered doctors like Kansas’ Dr. George Tiller in cold blood, and gunned down clinic workers, nurses and bystanders.

    • Such acts are very rare, and not encouraged by Christianity. The people who commit the acts might in fact be “some of the most dangerous and violent religious zealots in the U.S. today”, but that’s only because, aside from Muslim terrorists, there aren’t really any other “dangerous and violent religious zealots in the U.S. today”. They’re near the top of the list because the list is incredibly short.

    • Those silly unfaithful, you never know what wrongs they’ll declare as good.

      The few extremists do not represent Christianity and their actions are not to be condoned. But, the premise that the purpose of anyone who is pro-life is “to deny women access to reproductive health care” is a canard and absolutely bogus. “Reproductive” comes from “reproduce”. “Reproductive health care” ensures the well-being of the mother and her unborn, but is not synonymous with kill, exterminate or abortion.

    • I’d love to see the numbers. How many of these people were committing these crimes? How many pastors and priests advocate this from the pulpit?

      The fact is these incidents involved a mere handful of people whose actions are condemned by The Bible and were rightfully condemned by Christians everywhere. The flip side of your ignorance is that 57,762,169 innocent babies have been murdered by so called “pro-choice” advocates. In fact, they are nothing but pro-murder because the baby is NOT THE WOMAN’S BODY. The science deniers of the liberal left refuse to face the fact that the baby has his/her own DNA and therefore is a separate human being. The time for making choices is BEFORE one becomes with-child.

      Your ‘argument’ is as childish as it is ignorant and totally inaccurate.

    • What does it feel like when your head spins like that? Is everyone a Christian in your confusion and worthy of your hatred? I think the violence committed by pro choice factions trumps anything anyone does in an effort to save helpless, harmless babies. Let’s see 56 million abortions since 1973 vs. whatever numbers you care to offer.

    • Just how many people have died at the hands of the pro choice people?

      Like an actual number not just your romantic blubbering. They are so dangerous and violent, maybe we should go to congress and get approval to go to war with them LOL like ISIS and Islam LOL

      btw how dangerous and violent acts would you know, do you think you would have experienced in the womb that you came out of if all of a sudden you were dangerously and violent sucked out by a vacuum?

      I mean, just asking here cause that’s pretty violent by any means.

      Maybe if you had been aborted before you had a chance at your first breath, then you would really truly know what violence and danger is no?

  13. Yes, ISIS Burned a Man Alive: White Americans Did the Same Thing to Thousands of Black People

    The United States practiced a unique cultural ritual that was as least as gruesome as the “medieval” punishments meted out by ISIS against its foes.
    By Chauncey DeVega / Daily Kos

    ISIS burned Muadh al Kasasbeh, a captured Jordian fighter pilot, to death. They doused him with an accelerant. His captors set him on fire. Muadh al Kasasbeh desperately tried to put out the flames. ISIS recorded Muadh al Kasasbeh’s immolation, produced a video designed to intimidate their enemies, and then circulated it online.

    ISIS’s burning alive of Muadh al Kasasbeh has been denounced as an act of savagery, barbarism, and wanton cruelty–one from the “dark ages” and not of the modern world.
    American Exceptionalism blinds those who share its gaze to uncomfortable facts and truths about their own country.
    For almost a century, the United States practiced a unique cultural ritual that was as least as gruesome as the “medieval” punishments meted out by ISIS against its foes.
    What is now known as “spectacular lynching” involved the ceremonial torture, murder–and burning alive–of black Americans by whites. Like ISIS’s use of digital media to circulate images of the torturous death of Muadh al Kasasbeh by fire, the spectacular lynchings of the black body were shared via postcards and other media.

    The burned to death images of the black body were a form of mass culture in 19th- and 20th-century America.
    This account of the horrific murder of Sam Hose by White Americans is an even more grotesque and exaggerated version of the cruelty visited upon Muadh al Kasasbeh by ISIS:

    The white-owned newspapers of the South had long gorged themselves with exaggerated or fabricated accounts of such violence. In the papers’ version, the fight between Sam Hose and his boss became transformed into the most enraging crime of all: the rape of the white man’s wife.
    White Georgians tracked Hose down and prepared for his lynching. Two thousand people gathered for the killing, some taking a special excursion train from Atlanta for the purpose. The leaders of the lynching stripped Hose, chained him to a tree, stacked wood around him, and soaked everything in kerosene. The mob cut off Hose’s ears, fingers and genitals; they peeled the skin from his face. They watched, a newspaper reported, ”with unfeigning satisfaction” as the man’s veins ruptured from the heat and his blood hissed in the flames.

    I’ll bet they were all in church on Sunday too… praise g-sus!!!

    • Who in America is doing this? Where? Stop making excuses for ISIS. You keep doing that and you are no better than they are and in fact, could be considered an ISIS sympathizer.

      • you’ll never get him to admit that whitey helped free the slaves. as a matter of fact only about 6% of white Americans owned slaves, but if blacks had to be honest and accept that truth they would no longer have a reason to hate whitey, so on we go…

    • The difference is, the KKK was not a “Christian” organization as CHRIST NEVER ADVOCATED HATE OR MURDER!
      On the other hand, what these muslims do, they do in the name of their god because that is the COMMAND OF THEIR GOD!

      • Democrats were for slavery. The KKK was for slavery. Not all Democrats were KKK, but most KKK were Democrats.

      • Personally, no, but it’s really common sense. Or do you believe the same people who voted in Lincoln and abolished slavery (the Republicans) were also in the KKK hunting down black people and declaring white supremacy? You think Republicans hunted and killed Republicans to keep them from voting for Republicans? The KKK was primarily made up of Democrats. You’ll probably say that’s subjective, but it really isn’t.

      • Sorry. I don’t accept your explanation. Foe centuries, people used common sense to prove the world was flat! No, I don’t think Republicans did that. However, the KKK has gone through several incarnations. To blame its roots on the past does not hold up for the present. do a little research…

      • You insult and embarrass YOURSELF, Jayne. You’re only here to insult and berate Conservatives. Notice that the only people who go along with your idiocy are people like UncleJackoff.

      • You are as well, Jayne, though I don’t smile when I say it because I believe it’s tragic what you and your ilk are doing to America, starting with electing the present POTUS.

      • I don’t think common sense was ever part of that theory, actually. It might have been common knowledge, but it wasn’t common sense. If you still prefer not to use that term, though, swap out “common sense” for “simple logic”. There were two parties. One was for white power, and the other was for equality. Obviously a white power group is more likely to have members from the white power party than the equality party, especially when that group attacked and killed members of the equality party.

        We weren’t talking about the present KKK. We were talking about the KKK of old, back when it was more relevant. Back then, there’s no denying it was made up mostly of Democrats. Like I said, Republicans wouldn’t join a group to fight Republicans and Republican policies. I don’t know much about the modern KKK, let alone their political affiliations.

      • I’m not sure what you mean. The theory I was referring to was the idea that the Earth was flat. And I said if you prefer not to use that phrase, you can swap out “common sense” for “simple logic”.

      • I never meant “simple” as in undisciplined. I just meant the logic was so simple it’s obvious. If it makes you feel better, swap “simple” for “disciplined”. It doesn’t change how sound the logic is.

      • Simple:
        “occurring or considered alone; mere; bare”
        “an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person”

        Disciplined:
        “having or exhibiting discipline; rigorous”

        When are you going to accept that there is a vast difference?

        For centuries people used “simple” logic to prove the world was flat. Get it yet?

      • Yeah, those aren’t the right definitions for simple here. You chose the ones that fit your point best, even though they clearly don’t apply. The second one doesn’t even apply to using the word as an adjective, as I did. More fitting definitions are:
        Simple- “easy to understand, deal with, use, etc.” or “not complicated”, or “not elaborate or artificial; plain”

        Something simple can still be disciplined. Neither automatically excludes the other, Accept it.

        That wasn’t really logic either. They couldn’t see the round earth. All they saw was a fairly flat surface in front of them. They believed what they could see. It stemmed more from naivete than logical thinking.

      • They were copied and pasted straight from Dictionary.com, which had your definitions word for word as alternative meanings.

      • Actually it was Webster’s. My bad. Not my bad, though, that you fail to understand the difference.

        “That wasn’t really logic either. They couldn’t see the round earth. All they saw was a fairly flat surface in front of them. They believed what they could see. It stemmed more from naivete than logical thinking.”

        QED.

      • What difference? The definitions don’t exclude each other.

        You know of another reason anyone ever thought the Earth was flat?

      • What’s wrong Jayne? You don;t want to talk about the subject anymore because you’re getting your race pimp ass kicked………………..again?

      • Point? He made a perfectly sound and solid stand you are just too ignorant to acknowledge it because you don’t agree with it which is why you are here on this blog to argue with people that don’t agree with your old stupid butt.

      • For someone who dislikes me, you sure spend a lot of time responding to me. In behavioral health (my graduate degree) we have a word for that.

      • whatever makes you think I dislike you LOL! but really not too much time of late – just having fun at you old man

      • You can’t handle the truth, Jayne. But that’s ok, those of us here know that about you. You’re nothing but a sad little troll girl.

      • As usual, your comments show you as the old feeble ass that you are, sort of sad, but still fun poking at you just for fun on my down time LOL – have to fight my coworkers to reply to all your constant BS.

        oh sorry, am I avoiding the “point” . . . . gosh, truly sorry about that, see the real point is this: and this is truly the real truth on the true point with YOU:

        You are just here to argue against everyone here. You are an old tired feeble ancient minded buffoon who gets his old dried up non-existent rocks off jumping into this blog to argue.

        How sick is that, seriously. Go live what little life you have remaining before you croak – no one really cares what you think here. In fact your comments make people laugh as in LOL at you. Like why are you here? Like there are only a million other sites you would fit into but yet here you are like a sore thumb needing a bandaid LOL

        Maybe your wife does? She’s like in the hospital and all, what the hell do you spend your time here for anyway you fool.

        Now go get a couple shots of top shelf tokillya on me 🙂

      • Hope your parents love your ageism. How about YOU send me the Tequilla. I’ll post my address. Actually, though. I prefer Mezcal… 😉

      • Hey Gramps, you’re not really in charge anymore, if you ever actually were LOL –

        Why don’t you go ahead and give us all a list of independently objective places we can all go to fact check that YOU APPROVE OF lmao!!!!

        Please tell us what counts and what doesn’t LOL

      • Research you dolt! If there ever was a “lemming” that would be YOU> Start with Scottish clans and why they burned crosses. It all originated back in Medieval times in Europe, the KKK looked at these times as a pure racially era, to make it simple for you.

        Also Birth of a Nation brought forth the cross burning. The KKK of its own did not. The media drives everything LOL even back then!

        But stupid old dribbling men like yourself just want to put it out that it’s all about failed Christians and such. Always wanting to bitch and bitch on and on without ever even knowing why what happened did.

        It’s about bedtime old man. Sleep well.

        *note all highest respect to the Scottish – if only the world were but Scottish we would likely not have such idiots as yourself Jaynie running around all loose and ignorant LOL bellowing around nothing but hot air.

      • Not telling me anything new, elle. As usual. My undergraduate degree is in history and I am very attached to my Irish heritage. BTW, it’s NOT, “Scottish.” It’s Scott!

    • Over 35,000 comments – majorwiblit you really do spend too much time in front of your computer. I hope you understand that no one really cares too much about what you have to say, how you feel about things, etc., except for yourself. That is sort of a sad picture.

      Get the hell off your computer and go live your life – no one on this blog or most others cares what you have to say – go live your life. Here’s a hint to get you started – your life isn’t online you poor pathetic person.

      ps white people don’t burn black people alive anymore, that would be Islam nowadays. But keep trying to compare things in your little closed in world. Islam is the enemy now despite if you like it or not LOL

    • Shut your ignorant mouth – before you can even begin to try and wrap your pea sized brain around ISIS and Islam you’ll be needing to understand BLACK ON BLACK SLAVERY – until then just shut your stupid boring mouth. And btw what islam did to black africans way surpasses what happened to them in America. Every male castrated, every slave child baby killed. Going East vs going West as a slave was a big difference. At least in America you got to leave a history. In the east there was nothing left of you, no children, no nothing. You worked till you died then you were replaced. The Muslims is who you should be ranted on you stupid fool. First Slave owner in the US was black and more history they don’t want you to know :

      Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ef2_1336262149#lXB1PoBCKxAAVAbm.99

      Oh no say it’s not so LMAO!!!!

      My great great great grand daddy was a rich black man in America, and he owned slaves in the north and the south.

      On the other side of my family were Native Americans – and guess what, you got it!!!! The owned black slaves too!!!!

      You stupid little twerp – there’s enough blame for slavery to go around for everyone so why don’t you just stop crying over it fool. Wasn’t just whitey into slavery. Guess you just can’t handle the truth. What’s done is done, we live now foolish ignorant buffoon, the most high Jesus had nothing to do with it, now get on your knees and stop mocking him.

    • Why don’t you try writing in your own words? Or are you too stupid to do that?

      You have to drag up offal from your moon bat sites to cut and paste LOL.

      It matters not how ISIS kills you. If you are taken by them you are just as well dead. So stop with the liquid emotions and all. You are just as well dead and one must just ignore the manner of death. ISIS and Islam is after all a death cult, or did you not know that?

      What’s your point little one?

      Go masturbate somewhere else.

  14. The problem is that Obama KNOWS those things, but he is the ADVERSARY to the U.S. and he will do what he feels will help bring America down. When will the rest of our government SEE this?!

  15. what Obala said in the national prayer breakfast is pure evil, its not even Christianity, and he is following his father the Anti Christ

      • I stand up for free speech!!!!

        If someone wants to call you a KOON then so be it. It’s called free speech.

        Like it or hate it – WE ALL HAVE IT even if you don’t like the words.. . .

        The world is full of racists and bigots of all shapes, sizes, colors, religions, and every other thing you can think of

        Get used to it old man cause YOU ain’t gonna change it 🙂

      • I stand for free speech. I say what I want. YOU say what you want.

        I stand up for you old angry negro to say whatever you want to say.

        It’s called freedom.

        btw, if someone does not like you does that mean they are racist?

        You know racists and bigots come in a rainbow of colors 🙂

      • I don’t have time to judge others. They can say what they want, they can feel what they want. They can believe what they want.

        I stand for all of us to be able to say exactly how we feel and what we believe. I may not agree with you. I may be strongly against you, and I may let you know it as you already know. But at the end of the day, I still will stand for your personal right to feel and say as you do.

        If you cannot understand that then you need to learn what freedom is.

        If a racist or a bigot is here, if one is talking to you then he or she is. Then you talk back to them or you don’t. I don’t give a damn either way. But the racist has his rights. The bigot has his rights. Just as you do.

        Live as you will and stop judging others Earl. You are wasting your time with this. They are as they are, you are as you are. I do not stand for anyone, I stand for all, even if I do not share their views.

        I can be crossing and can come out on someone, but I still will at all times be proud to say that in America we all can say and believe what we want to believe.

        I can put up with anyone as long as they aren’t trying to kill me or mine or you. Once they start doing that it is no longer free speech. We cannot act freely and cause harm. But speech is only thoughts put into words. They cannot rule you, they cannot own you. Only if you let them.

        So no I don’t stand for bigots and racists. I stand for Americans and our rights, like it or not. Learn up on that Earl 🙂

      • Charges of “Racism!” has lost their meaning, lost their impact completely.

        Everyone is a racist now, everyone is a terrorist now – isn’t that right Earl?

        Anyone you don’t agree with is either a terrorist, a racist, a bigot, or all three. . .

        you’re so funny LOL

        But you keep right on with it old angry negro – call me a racist, I’ll defend your right to do so!!!

        It’s called free speech and YOU GOTS IT!!!!! lol

        ps, you’re a racist and a bigot and a terrorist too LMAO despite having such an awesome service record. Honestly I was not really that impressed with it, oh well. . . .

      • But Earl I never once called you a KOON or a N!GGER, not ever. I never call anyone those names because I don’t use them. I don’t ever use those words. I did once ask you why black people call each other N!GGER but you never answered my question.

        I asked you why and you ignored the question. That’s once where I did use the word, but didn’t call you that or anyone else that word. It was used in a question.

        So why don’t you answer that question now, since it seems to have come up again LOL

      • You lie very well, I give you credit for that. You wouldn’t BE here with your idiocy if you were happily married.

      • Length of time doesn’t mean you’re happy, it just means you’re resigned . . .glad you’re able to laugh about it.

      • FYI, none of us are “upset or scared,” BUT … we are FED UP with a lawless administration and things are going to start happening to put a stop to the craziness.

      • You’re a KOON! SUCK IT UP and ACCEPT it!! And I’m not a racist, I simply speak the truth. My closest friend is a woman of color, but she isn’t a KOON … you’re a despicable freak!-

      • You are a KOON and I”m not a racist? MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yes…you are!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

      • Ok, I can deal with that. When it comes to a dried up old koon like you, i don’t mind being called ANYTHING. :-))

  16. Islime, may pig excrement be upon it, is a mental and moral disease just like liberalism. Muslimes, like liberals, will never acknowledge the truth because their belief system prohibits them from doing so. The only solution for both of these diseases is to wipe them out. Otherwise they will continue to infect the world and possibly destroy it.

    • Go dribble somewhere else old man.

      fyi ~ as of right now we are fighting against Islam, ISIS, not the KKK.

      try to keep relevant or just shut the F up.

      • Allen brought his issue about the Christian Crusades, not me. I was just extending Allen’s logic. Nice language, BTW.

      • No actually you were not extending any logic whatsoever (as usual)

        And thanks for the compliment 🙂 I love the way the letter F sounds with the word “UP” when applied to someone like you – it perfect 🙂

      • Yo moron! ovomit brought up the Crusades so you’re extending ovomit’s lack of logic. The point is we’re fighting islam who’s religion tells them to murder those who will not submit to their moon god. Allen West was merely pointing out that, as usual, ovomit lied when bringing up the Crusades.

      • The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called’hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

        Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

        The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today’s Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book’s call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

        Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad’s own martial legacy – and that of his companions – along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

      • Thank you my dear for the enlightenment. Imams will be amazed to learn that their lifetime of Quran study was so lacking in substance. Your “chapter and verse” quotes are probably so far from reality that I must assume your Quran education is equal to your public scholastic achievements. Your site is generally anti-racist rather than a “lslamic forum”.

        All of the holy books of the major religions have ridiculous crap in them.

        This is why smart people take what is contained in them with a grain of salt. In other words …religion is too powerful a force for the ignorant …

        http://www.islam101.com/terror/verse8_12.htm

      • The Quran:

        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing…

        but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from “fitna” which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until “religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

        Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

        Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

        Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.

        Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

        Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

        Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

        Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

        Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

        Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

        Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah” Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”

        Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

        Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”

        Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”

        Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”

        Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion’s Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

        Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.”Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even “healing” the hearts of Muslims.

        Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The Arabic word interpreted as “striving” in this verse is the same root as “Jihad”. The context is obviously holy war.

        Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

        Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

        Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

        Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.” See also the verse that follows (9:42) – “If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them” This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

        Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today’s devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

        Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”

        Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” How does the Quran define a true believer?

        Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

        Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.” Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is “utter destruction.” (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

        Quran (18:65-81) – This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with “special knowledge” who does things which don’t seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would “grieve” his parents by “disobedience and ingratitude.” He was killed so that Allah could provide them a ‘better’ son. (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

        Quran (21:44) – “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”

        Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…” “Strive against” is Jihad – obviously not in the personal context. It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

        Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.” This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to “fight in the way of Allah” (3:167) and hence don’t act as Muslims should), those with “diseased hearts” (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and “alarmists” or “agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad’s biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today’s terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah’s eternal word to Muslim generations.

        Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… If it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.” Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn’t do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.

        Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”

        Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means ‘spiritual struggle.’ Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

        Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for ‘hard’ or ‘ruthless’ in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as ‘painful’ or severe’ in verse 16.

        Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way” Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to “battle array” meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9): “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.” (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

        Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of ‘Adn – Eternity [‘Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.” This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above). It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

        Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” The root word of “Jihad” is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include “hypocrites” – those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

      • This is the biggest misconception in Islam, no doubt resulting from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam. When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic IRguerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many times have we heard the words ‘Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist. etc.’ linked with
        violence.

        Politics in so called “Muslim countries” may or may not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should remember to go to the source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally means ‘submission to God’ and is derived from a root word meaning ‘peace’.

        Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion doesn’t dominate everyday life in the West, whereas Islam is considered a ‘way of life’ for Muslims and they make no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock.

        NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS..

        The Quran says: “Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors.” (Quran 2:190) “If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things.” (Quran 8:61) War, therefore, is the last
        resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term ‘jihad’ literally means ‘struggle’. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad. The other ‘jihad’ is the inner struggle of the soul which everyone wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner peace.

        http://www.beautifulislam.net/intro/misconceptions_islam.htm

      • Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org

        From the Hadith:

        Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

        Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

        Bukhari (52:65) – The Prophet said, ‘He who fights that Allah’s Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause. Muhammad’s words are the basis for offensive Jihad – spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today.

        Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’

        Abu Dawud (14:2526) – The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, “There is no god but Allah” and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

        Abu Dawud (14:2527) – The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious

        Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

        Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”

        Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

        Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.”

        Bukhari (11:626) – [Muhammad said:] “I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.”

        Muslim (1:149) – “Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause…”

        Muslim (20:4645) – “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!”

        Muslim (20:4696) – “the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: ‘One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'”

        Muslim (19:4321-4323) – Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: “They are of them (meaning the enemy).”

        Muslim (19:4294) – “When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him… He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war… When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them… If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”

        Bukhari 1:35 “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).”

        Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad’s men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

        Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

        Tabari 17:187 “‘By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.’ And they returned to their former religion.” The words of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah. The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.

        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: – “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: – Lest anyone think that cutting off someone’s head while screaming ‘Allah Akbar!’ is a modern creation, here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to approve.

        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: – “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” Muhammad’s instructions to his men prior to a military raid.

        Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar p.227-228 – “Embrace Islam… If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.” One of several letters from Muhammad to rulers of other countries. The significance is that the recipients were not making war or threatening Muslims. Their subsequent defeat and subjugation by Muhammad’s armies was justified merely on the basis of their unbelief.

        http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

      • if I had the desire, I could find as many or more “Holy War” versus in the OLD Testament. I prefer the New Testament.

      • The fact that the Quran does not focus on Muhammed, Ishmael or the Arab people. Instead the Qur’an focuses primarilly on the Jewish patriarchs and prophets. The Qur’an concerns itself primarily with the history and future of the Children of Israel. Thus the primary figures of the Qur’an are figures like Abraham, Joseph, Moses and King David. In fact the primary figure of the Quran is Moshe Aveynu (Moses our father) who is mentioned more than any other individual in the Qur’an. Many Jews are surprised to learn that one entire “Surah” (chapter) of the Quran (Surah 17) is titled “The Children of Israel”.

      • Ann Coulter is a simple agitator, doesn’t care if she lies, is obscene and only interested in herself.

        “In a May 2007 article looking back at the life of recently deceased evangelical Reverend Jerry Falwell, Coulter commented on his (later retracted) statement after the 9/11 attacks that “the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America … helped this happen.” In her article, Coulter stated that she disagreed with Falwell’s statement, “because Falwell neglected to specifically include Teddy Kennedy and ‘the Reverend’ Barry Lynn.” (Source “Forbidden)

        “In the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings Coulter told Hannity host Sean Hannity that the wife of bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev should be jailed for wearing a hijab. Coulter continued by saying “Assimilating immigrants into our culture isn’t really working. They’re assimilating us into their culture.” (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/coulter-boston-suspects-widow-ought-to-be-in-prison-for-wearing-a-hijab/) Maybe Jews should be jailed for wearing a Yarmaulke, Kippah and associated female head wear. Maybe even a yellow star.

        “In March 2013, Coulter was one of the keynote speakers at the Conservative Political Action Conference, where she made references to New Jersey Governor Chris Christie’s weight (“CPAC had to cut back on its speakers this year about 300 pounds”) and progressive activist Sandra Fluke’s hairdo. (Coulter quipped that Fluke didn’t need birth control pills because “that haircut is birth control enough.”) Coulter advocated against a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants because such new citizens would never vote for Republican candidates: “If amnesty goes through, America becomes California and no Republican will ever win another election.” (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ann-coulter-blasts-chris-christie-says-hes-off-my-list-for-2016-in-fiery-cpac-speech/) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/16/ann-coulter-cpac_n_2892646.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)

        Her words. Fine example of a “…well read and intelligent…,” commentator.

      • Hey punk. Your religion of peace…………

        Question:

        Does the Quran really contain dozens of verses promoting violence?

        Summary Answer:

        The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called’hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

        Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

        Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

        Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

        Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

        Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

        Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah” Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”

        Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

        Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”

        Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”

        Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”

        Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion’s Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

        Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.”Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even “healing” the hearts of Muslims.

        Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The Arabic word interpreted as “striving” in this verse is the same root as “Jihad”. The context is obviously holy war.

        Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

        Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

        Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

        Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.” See also the verse that follows (9:42) – “If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them” This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

        Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today’s devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

        Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”

        Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” How does the Quran define a true believer?

        Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

        Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.” Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is “utter destruction.” (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

        Quran (18:65-81) – This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with “special knowledge” who does things which don’t seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would “grieve” his parents by “disobedience and ingratitude.” He was killed so that Allah could provide them a ‘better’ son. (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

        Quran (21:44) – “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”

        Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…” “Strive against” is Jihad – obviously not in the personal context. It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

        Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.” This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to “fight in the way of Allah” (3:167) and hence don’t act as Muslims should), those with “diseased hearts” (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and “alarmists” or “agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad’s biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today’s terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah’s eternal word to Muslim generations.

        Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… If it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.” Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn’t do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.

        Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”

        Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means ‘spiritual struggle.’ Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

        Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for ‘hard’ or ‘ruthless’ in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as ‘painful’ or severe’ in verse 16.

        Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way” Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to “battle array” meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9): “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.” (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

        Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of ‘Adn – Eternity [‘Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.” This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above). It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

        Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” The root word of “Jihad” is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include “hypocrites” – those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

        Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org

        From the Hadith:

        Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

        Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

        Bukhari (52:65) – The Prophet said, ‘He who fights that Allah’s Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause. Muhammad’s words are the basis for offensive Jihad – spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today.

        Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’

        Abu Dawud (14:2526) – The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, “There is no god but Allah” and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

        Abu Dawud (14:2527) – The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious

        Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

        Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”

        Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

        Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.”

        Bukhari (11:626) – [Muhammad said:] “I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.”

        Muslim (1:149) – “Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause…”

        Muslim (20:4645) – “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!”

        Muslim (20:4696) – “the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: ‘One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'”

        Muslim (19:4321-4323) – Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: “They are of them (meaning the enemy).”

        Muslim (19:4294) – “When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him… He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war… When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them… If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”

        Bukhari 1:35 “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).”

        Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad’s men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

      • Such an artist at dissembling, Andrea. I refer to the OT and you duck responding to it. Do you recognize the OT?

      • You blend the OT with the NT. That is what the Biblically ignorant always do to try and make a point. Fix your ignorance.

      • Gee, I thought the Bible was the Bible. Specially because so many of you West wing-nuts refer to the OT when you defend your bigotry.

      • Gee, the Bible is two books. The Law and Grace in effect. It’s okay moron. You’re not the first libtard to make a total ass of himself on this issue. Get educated inbred.

      • Jay, I’ve only been reading and studying the Bible a mere 25 years, and I guess you must know more than me. Please show me where the Bible touts the same rhetoric of the Quran, to turn the infidel to believe or kill them? Please, please, please show meeeeeeeee… .I need my mind changed. Can you do IT??

      • Start with Deuteronomy and Joshua. Lots of references to killing men, women and children. Killing, hanging and burning. Again, men, women and children. Since you posted that you are a 25 year student of the Bible, I don’t expect i need to cite chapters or verses.

      • Like Andy said…….prove otherwise. It was southern democrats who started and RAN the klan for decades. THEY did the lynching with the blessings of democrat/klan sherriffs and democrat/klan governors.

      • Nice to see Andy has a couple of friends other, than, Flower. But as usual, you miss my point. I was pointing out that the crowds at lynchings, including children, were not ALL KKK or Democrats. That belief stretches logic to the breaking point. AND, I believe, ALL the members of the crowds believed they were good Christians. NONE of you have responded to that!

        Your best responses are to assert that KKK members are Democrats, yet offer no sources. Do you even know anything about the KKK?

        It has gone through three incarnations: 1864 – 1879. Yes, It was originally organized by six veterans of the confederate army, in Pulaski, TN. Democrats all. Six.

        Second incarnation was formed in 1915 by William Joseph Simmons, a debunked Baptist minister with no verifiable affiliation. That incarnation ended in when its numbers dropped from 4,000,000 in 1920 to 30,000 in 1940. Gee, a Democrat was President then.

        Then it was “reborn” in 1970, when KKK revivalists, no political affiliation, bombed 10 school buses in Pontiac, MI. Fast forward to David Duke. He isn’t even registered to vote. Your “Democratic/KKK’ saw is really dull.

      • So? What’s your point? ALL KKK members are Democrats? As I pointed out. David Duke isn’t even registered to vote. Not a Democrat, not a Republican…

    • LOL!! Try again, ricky, you obviously haven’t ever attended a Bible study! 😉

      Got to admit, though, your silliness is good for a giggle. 🙂

      • Did not God destroy all humanity sans Noah’s family? How is that silly?And the argument that children were sacrificed to Baal does not absolve God of his own ruthless behavior.

      • Ruthless behavior by God? Perhaps this could be a perspective worth considering if God is not the one who created mankind and gave us the gift of free will. You appear to think much like a Muslim is taught to understand the Word of God.
        It is the evil being done by the people who God destroyed that led to God destroying them. The greater part of the story of these Old Testament persons is that they continue in the eternal life that God gave them. God may have destroyed the bodies of these persons in order to end the path of destruction they were following. Do you judge them now to be in Hell?
        Jesus teaches us not to judge others in this way. How many of these persons who were destroyed may have entered the gates of Heaven when Christ went before them?
        Hosea 13:14 Shall I deliver them from the power of the nether world? shall I redeem them from death?
        Where are your plagues, O death!
        where is your sting, O nether world!
        My eyes are closed to compassion.

    • YES BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT OBEYING HIS LAWS. SAME AS SODOM AND GAMORA. HE WILL COME AGAIN AND SOON TO RID THIS WORLD OF ALL THE EVIL IN IT, STUDY ISSAIH AND DANIAL.

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