Zero women pass Marine Combat Endurance test; Army allowing women in Ranger School

This past Saturday I went to see “American Sniper.” Unless you’ve buried your head in the sand for the past five years, the movie is based on the book written by our nation’s most lethal sniper in our military history, US Navy SEAL Chief Chris Kyle. Chris’ life came to a tragic end just two years ago, and end that no one could have predicted. However, he lived his life committed to a core principle and belief — to recognize and defeat evil. Chris was the epitome of a modern day American Spartan, a warrior, who lived by a simple ethos.

But if you watched the movie, you saw the reality of SEAL training — along with that depicted in “Lone Survivor” featuring another Texan, Marcus Luttrell — and what close combat operations against Islamic terrorists entails. It’s a conflagration against non-sate, non-uniform belligerents who are savage in their objectives and barbaric in their actions.

“American Sniper” gives you a window into some of the most intense combat actions — Fallujah, Al Ramadi, and Sadr City — all in Iraq. It shows the split-second decisions that must be made and what some call the “25 meter war” which puts one in close combat with a vicious enemy whose 7th century ideology means no quarter for our troops.

Despite this reality, the progressive socialists of the Obama administration are not concerned with strengthening our forces – as a matter of fact, as we’ve often reported here, our military capacity and capability is being decimated at a far greater rate than we’re destroying ISIS. Our own president unilaterally releases Islamic jihadists back on the battlefield at a time when the enemy is still fighting our troops — and gaining greater momentum.

Forget the reality of our enemy. It’s must nicer to live in the la-la land of social egalitarianism, so we’re going to allow females to enter U.S. Army Ranger training.

Yes, Ranger School, which prepares those who want to be a member of the Army’s ultimate light infantry elite force — the 75th Ranger Regiment headquartered in Ft. Benning Georgia with subordinate battalions at Hunter Army Airfield in Georgia, Ft. Lewis Washington, and at Ft. Benning.

Let me explain that graduation from Ranger School doesn’t mean automatic entry into the Ranger Regiment — they have additional requirements. Graduation from Ranger school allows soldiers to wear the venerable Ranger Tab. Priority for Ranger School goes to those who will serve in regular line light infantry units, Airborne, and Air Assault infantry units and then to those who would be in support positions.

I requested a slot in Ranger School after completing my officer’s basic training at Ft. Sill Oklahoma as a young artillery lieutenant. I was denied because my slot to the 4th Battalion, 325th Airborne Battalion Combat Team in Vicenza Italy attendance at Airborne and Jumpmaster Schools — attending Ranger School would have meant losing my slot to the 4/325th ABCT. I also requested again to attend Ranger School after my artillery officers advanced course, as a captain, but because my follow-on assignment was to the First Infantry Division which was a mechanized unit, my priority was low and denied.

So how many Soldiers who truly need this training will be affected by this recent “social justice” decision from the Obama administration to allow females into Ranger School?

As reported by CBS News, ” The Army will allow as many as 60 women to participate in the next Ranger course…a grueling two-month combat school. It is considered one of the first steps into the military special operations field. Army Secretary John McHugh approved the change that would allow women in the course beginning in late April. While completing the leadership course would let women wear the coveted Ranger tab, it does not let them become members of the Ranger regiment. Currently only men can be in the 75th Ranger Regiment – the special operations forces unit based at Fort Benning, Georgia. Joining the regiment requires additional schooling that is physically, emotionally and mentally challenging.”

My question to President Obama, Secretary of Defense Hagel, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Dempsey, Secretary of the Army McHugh, and Chief of Staff of the Army General Odierno — is this the right time for experiments?

We are facing an enemy that has not been decimated, is not on the run, not degraded, not defeated, and certainly not destroyed — so why are we sacrificing 60 slots that should be going to men that we need in close combat operations? How many Marines, Navy SEALS, Air Force Special Operators, or potential light infantry officers are being pushed aside just to appease the false gods of political correctness. Heck, what message does this end to the enemy?

The obvious question we should all be asking — will the standards be altered in order to create an equality of outcomes? The desired outcomes that the Obama administration and all the social egalitarians seek? One of the “unseen” qualifications is for a Ranger School student to be previously Airborne qualified — can you do Ranger School without being Airborne qualified? Sure, but guess what? You don’t participate in the required Airborne operations — which can be a delineator due to jump related injuries.

“By January 2016, the military must open all combat jobs to women or explain why any must remain closed. The Pentagon lifted its ban on women in combat jobs in 2012, but gave the military services time to gradually and systematically integrate women into the male-only front-line positions.”

Progressive socialists see the military as just another employment pursuit and all the “jobs” in the military need be open to everyone. They don’t realize that in the military our profit margin isn’t in dollars and cents but lives — as we saw in “American Sniper” and “Lone Survivor” — and next year the Navy is supposed to open up SEAL training to females.

But let me share something the left and their media accomplices don’t want reported. As The Washington Times reports, “The failure of two Marine Corps female officers to pass the Jan. 8 first-day Combat Endurance Test of the infantry officer course (IOC) brings the tally of female dropouts to 26. One more group of female officers will have a shot at graduation before the Marine Corps completes its integration experiment in June. The next IOC program begins in April.”

In other words this experiment has gone 0-26 — and how many young male Marine officers had to sit back and miss this training? And just so you know, how tough is Marine IOC? Military Times reported Friday that of the current IOC class 15 men out of a class of 118 were forced to drop the course.

“Opportunities for female enlisted Marines to cycle through Infantry Training Battalion for seven MOS-specific ground combat training programs will also end soon. Marine Corps statistics show that out of 240 volunteers, 106 were successful.” Less than 50 percent is failure in my book. Why do the social egalitarians who are decimating our military force get to play politically correct games with our national security based on 0-26 and a less than 50 percent pass rate?

Sixty slots for Ranger School — you know the Rangers, their history began in the French and Indian War with Colonel Rogers and his exploits against the Abenaki Indians. Those were the “Boys of Pont du Hoc” of whom President Reagan paid homage. They were the men who made the valiant stand in Mogadishu committed to the creed of “Leave no man behind.” They jumped into Kandahar in the early days of our combat operations against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

They are the most elite ground infantry unit in the U.S. Army and part of our U.S. Special Operations Command. They are not a toy for the progressive socialist social egalitarians to play with — but then after all, what would you expect of sheep trying to lead lions?

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Brendan
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Mr West… you seem to be a little confused about the difference between being Ranger qualified and being a Ranger. Let me make it clear that i do NOT think integrating females into the combat arms units, infantry and beyond, is a good idea. In fact, I think it is a terrible idea that was dreamed up by people who never served outside of a support unit and have no understanding of the rigors of the infantry. That being said, there is a great difference between allowing female NCOs and officers to attend combat arms schools where they can acquire… Read more »
dginga
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Brendan, my husband served in the Army during Viet Nam and was an Airborne Ranger and Green Beret. He, too, does not have a problem with females attending Ranger training, as long as the requirements remain exactly the same for them as they are for the men. I believe there is a fairly high washout rate for Ranger school, just as there is for the SEALS and other elite forces. My husband has told me about some of the things he had to do in Ranger training (to this day he hates to go to Dahlonega, GA or Ft. Benning),… Read more »
Brendan
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That is awesome. I’m sure your husband still aches from the cliffs in Dahlonega and can’t stand the sight of that red Georgia clay.

dginga
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He certainly does, especially now that he is in his late 60’s. On his last training mission in Ranger school he broke his foot parachuting into the Everglades. He walked on that broken foot and ended up leading his platoon (or whatever y’all call it in training) through to the successful completion of the exercise. He didn’t go to the infirmary for treatment until after his commanding officer verified he had successfully completed Ranger school. To say my husband is stubborn and determined is an understatement. He was a Wolfhound, so went from Ranger training to Hawaii for a while… Read more »
Paul Sheridan
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I was scrolling down to write basically the exact same message. Women shouldn’t be in combat units but I don’t care that much about Ranger school. I’ve known too many sh!tbags with tabs to believe in the myth.

Betsy Ashford
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Women should be allowed wherever they can perform and meet the qualifications. I guess I started this whole thing based on the concept of unequivically disqualifying women based on gender and that was not what was happening. I was unaware of special slots being held for women and reduced standards. That should not exist for anyone, not ever. And yet here it is again with your biased opinion against women on combat but not ranger training. No one should be denied access or recieve special treatment based on gender, race, religion, etc. Nor should they be excluded based only on… Read more »
Paul Sheridan
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Race and religion don’t influence physiology the way gender does. Women aren’t built for fighting, it’s as simple as that but if you’d like more detail you can take it up with Brendan.

Brendan
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Yup… learning lessons doesn’t always mean someone is going to retain them.
In my first leg infantry unit, I had a tabbed lieutenant platoon leader who could barely read a map.

Paul Sheridan
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Well I think every 11B has had THAT experience. I spent a year with 2nd ID in Korea and 4 years with 10th MTN in Ft. Drum. What unit were you with?

Brendan
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Two enlistments with the 101st in Ft Campbell… first in 3/327th INF and then later with the division’s LRSD, when it was attached to the 2/17th CAV

Paul Sheridan
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Did you go to Ranger School? It was an unwritten requirement for LRSD at Ft. Drum.

Brendan
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1987.
I am old

Yes, it was also an unwritten requirement in our LRSD
It was almost like your packet was pretty much put in when you inprocessed.
We had priority for slots that came to Ft Campbell and, when back in garrison, we also did portions of the preRanger testing for other units on Campbell.

Wayne McIntosh
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Mr West is well aware of the difference! You are the one confused or lack reading comprehension skills!

Brendan
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Nope… he corrected his article after I wrote my comment.
I’m sure he knows the difference though.
That’s why I wrote that he seemed to be confused.

Wayne McIntosh
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Sure he did!

Paul Sheridan
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Brendan’s telling the truth. I saw the same thing. “Yes, Ranger School, which prepares those who want to be a member of the Army’s ultimate light infantry elite force — the 75th Ranger Regiment headquartered in Ft. Benning Georgia with subordinate battalions at Hunter Army Airfield in Georgia, Ft. Lewis Washington, and at Ft. Benning. Let me explain that graduation from Ranger School doesn’t mean automatic entry into the Ranger Regiment — they have additional requirements. Graduation from Ranger school allows soldiers to wear the venerable Ranger Tab. Priority for Ranger School goes to those who will serve in regular… Read more »
Chuckle
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I think Col. West knows the difference friend.

Brendan
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“Yes, Ranger School, which prepares those who want to be a member of the Army’s ultimate light infantry elite force — the 75th Ranger Regiment”

Wayne Dorniels
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“Progressives” destroy all that they touch.

Brendan
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I strongly oppose women in the infantry and beyond. Support units see combat and women have performed very well in combat with these units. My argument has nothing to do with those who are worried about what happens to female prisoners or how the American public will stomach female casualties. IMHO, those points are moot and absurd. Those who argue in favor of women serving in the infantry often cite examples of female athletes with an endurance similar to or exceeding men. That thinking is ignorant of the rigors of the infantry and comes from people whose impression of the… Read more »
Timmo Sher
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Are women going to be drafted too?

Jack S Rebolledo
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Because men are being drafted?

spatin
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Everyone – men & women – should have to register for the draft and should all be drafted, if a draft becomes necessary.

dginga
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Men aren’t drafted now.

Timmo Sher
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Correct, however, since men have to register, and their job skills are then assigned, are women going to be put into the same category? This I s a question that needs to be addressed if there is going to be true parity. After all, according to so many liberals, there’s n o difference between men and women.

Heartland Patriot
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But they are registered for the draft.

dginga
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I see nothing wrong with women having to register too.

Heartland Patriot
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The whole point to this is to get more women in the general officer ranks. Most Army generals and Marine generals are combat vets or have served in combat units, go figure. Well, enough women aren’t being promoted to those lofty heights because of a lack of service in a combat unit, in the eyes of the political left, so they are determined to use whatever means to “level the playing field” to get those women there. Never mind in a combat situation that the bad guys don’t give a rat’s backside about “equality”. If this goes through, and it… Read more »
Kirstin 'Honsey' McLendon
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Kirstin 'Honsey' McLendon
This makes no sense. Let’s say some man out there complained that it was “unfair” for him to be able to have a baby. Would someone try to devise a way for him to be able to give birth to a child? I think somebody has (and it’s ridiculous), but I think that most of us would agree that we would have a problem with that idea. There are some things women tend to be better at, and there are some things that men tend to be better at. Now there are always exceptions, but as a woman, I say… Read more »
LadyWolf
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Naturally, women are nurturers. They are not capable of doing what is necessary to be in combat, i.e. hand to hand, shooting a woman, or even a child if necessary. I am a female veteran and the ones in Congress are destroying the military. They are going to get people killed be it another soldier or themselves. The ones making these decisions have no military experience and do not know what’s it like in combat.

Samantha
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With all due respect lady wolf I don’t know which women you’re talking about but I have absolutely no problem killing women and children. I am also a combat vet, two combat tours 17-year disabled Vet

LadyWolf
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Ninety five percent of the women would not be able to do it. I am also talking about the physical aspects of war. You don’t mind me asking what is your MOS?

Steve MacMillan
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They they’re ROE’s are already getting people killed.

Brendan
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Women can definitely kill and women can maneuver on and kill the enemy. they have proved themselves. Here is one great example… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leigh_Ann_Hester But I agree that they should absolutely not be in the infantry, or anything beyond that… though i agree for different reasons. I do not doubt a woman’s courage or willingness to kill. But our bodies are different and women’s bodies can not endure the stress that a man’s body can. A well trained female athlete on a strict exercise and diet training regimen may be as strong and fast as a male athlete… but removed from… Read more »
cjkw67
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I have to disagree with your assertion that a womans body cant handle the stress as well as a mans can.

LadyWolf
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And I have to disagree with your assertion. Men are over 30% stronger than women, especially in the upper body. Men have larger hearts and lungs, and their higher levels of testosterone cause them to produce greater amounts of red blood cells. Differences in intake and delivery of oxygen translates into some aspects of performance: when a man is jogging at about 50% of his capacity, a woman will need to work at over 70% of her capacity to keep up with him. Women’s blood contains more water (20 percent fewer red cells). Since red cells supply oxygen to the… Read more »
Brendan
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I’m not talking about one day of stress… I am talking about daily physical stress without exercise and with limited food intake over many days. Over time, without proper food intake and rest, our bodies start to break down under physical stress. After a few weeks of patrol over rugged terrain with heavy rucks, athletic male soldiers come back weaker with less muscle mass than when they left. Women’s bodies break down muscle mass much faster than men do. Our bodies are different… they build and break down muscle differently. An athletic woman can be just as strong as an… Read more »
LadyWolf
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I never said they couldn’t shoot a gun or even kill someone. If someone was shooting at me I would shoot back also. I have been shooting guns since I was a teenager. What she did was in 25 minutes. What I was talking about is doing this day in and day out, face to face and she wouldn’t be able to. And that is what I was saying also. Our bodies are totally different. The iron in our body are depleted faster than a man.

Michael Esposito
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I spent 22 years in the Army Intel Corp, Half of those as an NCOIC of a tactical team attached to a Ranger Company, SOF unit, and JSOC. But because of my MOS, I was not able to attend Ranger training. My MOS was not on the list of approved MOSs of that time frame, even though I conducted combat ops with the best of the best. By the time my MOS was added to the list, I had achieved the rank of E7, which was not a rank approved for Ranger training. My 1SG was a female that out… Read more »
Jimmy Monasco
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I agree with you and also feel they should g
ive them a pre-ranger course to weed out the weak! Since they are taking up sixty slots and all!

Brendan
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I’ve been out for years. I didn’t know women went to Pathfinder school. That’s cool. I’m all for women attending schools, so long as the standards aren’t lowered. I’ve also known a few incredibly athletic women who could out PT me at my best and youngest. My concern is about women serving is certain units. You know full well some of the endurance required for some units. Our bodies are different and an athletic woman can be as strong or stronger than an athletic man. But she needs to train hard to keep pace with athletic men, exercising more, eating… Read more »
RangerJT
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I was in the 75th Ranger Regiment and a graduate of Ranger school class 4-99. To a lot of us that have served in Ranger Regiment don’t care if women are let into Ranger School. If they can meet the current standards and pass more power to them. If they lower the standards so women can pass well there is no equality in that. On a side note most of us also believe that Ranger School is just that, a school. We don’t look down on people that havent served in the 75th but we also dont consider a two… Read more »
Kevin Stall
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Do you remember what the wash out rate was for men in Ranger school. I was a cadet and #5 on the list to go, that year we only got 4 slots and after talking to the guys who did go I was thankful I didn’t get to go. Out of 4 guys, one completed the course the first time through, another got recycled to the next course due to illness and the other 2 failed. What a way to start a career. Mean time I attended advance training and my squad was half women. Some were practically running just… Read more »
spatin
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RangerJT, thank you for your service, and thanks for being a Ranger. However, I don’t agree with the proposition that women could be admitted to Ranger School. We all know that the powers that be will lower the requirements so that women can pass them, just as in many other things in the military. Also, every women that is admitted to the school takes up a slot that could be awarded to a man who can do the job. Sorry, but facts are facts, and women just are not up to par with a man for that kind of work.
Dee Carol
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You are incorrect on your assumption that standards will be lowerepas served 24 years in the USAF Secilurity Forces and was and always will be one of the first 100 women in the US to be allowed into the military’s Combat forces. From day one my skills and abilities were challenged to not only PASS but always forced to exceed the standards already in place. As a woman it was often expected that we actually do more than our male counterparts. It was always fight presented by male peers … Egos and fear of being outdone by a women I… Read more »
LoboSolo
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I don’t think spatin is wrong. When I went thru the Army airborne school, the women were split off from the men to do PT. The one time they tried to run with us for “motivation” was showing … they droppt out like flies even tho we had slow’d our pace.

Women hav found themselves in combat but they weren’t in combat “roles” per se. There’s a great difference between fighting back when your convoy is ambusht and between out on a long, hard patrol humping everything.

RangerJT
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That’s why there is pre-Ranger to make sure that soldiers going to Ranger School meet the standards. If a woman can meet the standards, not adjusted or lowered standards, then wouldn’t she be as qualified as a male school candidate?

NYCParent
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I’ve trained in the martial arts for over 20 years, including multiple Dan black belt in a hard Karate style + a good exposure to Krav Maga and BJJ. I’ve trained with learned, from and taught hundreds of men and women. I’ve known many, excellent women athletes. I consider that I’ve met about 1woman or maybe 2 women who I would consider effective fighters in close quarters against even an average man. I hold women in the highest regard, and respect the athleticism of many women. But light sparring is not fighting, and when you turn up the intensity into… Read more »
Heartland Patriot
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Not that I’m an expert, but I’ve read about the disparity in bone density and muscle mass. A woman must train hard to equalize the disparity between herself and even an average man. Just biology, no matter how the PC crowd may whine.

frank
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“A woman must train hard….”, this is the problem! You will always get feminized women bitching about how they train harder than men and so they are equal if not better than men! What makes you think men are not training just as hard knowing their lives depend on their skills? It’s like saying women can be same or better than men because it is proven fact that King won over Riggs in that tennis match! It is so easy to forget the huge age difference and the fact that Riggs was not even in his best shape! Women ONLY… Read more »
NYCParent
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As a quasi expert I’d say that muscle physiology is part of it. But I think that a large part is also psychology in the sense of how we’re emotionally constructed. Almost no women are comfortable “fighting in a phone booth” style, while most men can be trained to at least get by in that situation. The point is not just that one, physical scenario, but what it implies about the ability to stay focused (or at least not panic) when you feel that someone can “get to you” at any time i.e when you feel that you are in… Read more »
Othismos
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Just today a co-worker shared a Ranger School story – It was in the last couple days of the course, they were doing their final patrols and all everyone wanted to do was to survive and graduate. A fellow student had a mean case of diarrhea but he was not about to quit when so close to graduating. After defecating so much in his trousers and with no end in sight, he decided to just cut out the back of his pants. When the urge hit, which was frequent, he would just squat down and let it go. Needless to… Read more »
Govermentsuxs
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Equal rights means equal performance not reduced performance for some. This is about a strong military to defend America and our freedom. It is not about liberal PC
excrement.

mike
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If women cant perform the task, the same task as men to pass the qualifications, they need to fail. Don’t change the standards just to appease politically correct wimps

frankenbiker
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Once again the politically correct idiots strike again. Women are not strong enough physically to participate and qualify, its just not possible. Now I’m sure there are a couple of steroid pumping women out there that can out bench press a lot of guy, but that doesn’t mean their qualified for combat Sorry but that’s the way this male chauvinistic pig thinks.

Rae Shue
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And how this FEMALE thinks too. 🙂

Annette Yeary Topits
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Ditto!!!

Don
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When I went to Ranger school in the seventies, peer ratings were a critical part of your evaluation. I reckon the Army recognizes that the majority of women will get crushed on their peer ratings by their male peers for not being able to carry their weight during patrols, etc. So the only way to get around that is to have a class that is 50% women. It’s clear to anyone who has spent time in the military, the “mission” is to demonstrate that women can be successful in anything men can do. The chain of command will do whatever… Read more »
Tim
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Sadly, it has happened before. LTC Herbert in “Soldier” talked about an entire West Point class the bombed out of the jungle phase. They got a do-over and they all got tabs.

Betsy Ashford
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Stacking the deck is never the right thing to do. No wonder men are angry about the deck being stacked against them. I never intended to condone that or special treatment for women.

roy hoco
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ok ladies if you think you are tough get on down to Ft. Benning, nestled in those tall Georgia pines, blouse your pants and tie your boot laces really tight and get ready for the ride of you life. gee haw Ranger training coming up

Rae Shue
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I would have LOVED to have been an Army Ranger or a Navy SeAL (the guys I grew up around) but I knew as a female I didn’t have the physical strength or ability to focus like they do. Sure, I’m mentally tough and I can hold my own, but I truly feel that Spec Ops should remain MEN ONLY because women do lack some of the fundamental traits one needs. Not to say women are weak because we’re not. We’re just strong in different areas. I’m tired of women wanting to “be like men” and then fit it to… Read more »
Eileen Mynes
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I agree that some things should be male only. Women should be allowed to be good at what they do well. I hear we make good snipers and have better small motor skills.

Betsy Ashford
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That is a slipper slope.

Jane18
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I have always said that a woman is no match for a man, any man. There may be a few tough women around, but when it comes down to the rubber meeting the road, there is no equal comparison. This was a great and very true article.

Papa Tich
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Female Marines have attempted to make it through the TBS (The Basic School) as many as three times and NONE have passed. Simply put, women are NOT the same as men but Liberals are not capable of figuring that one out. Logic and common sense elude them.

nathan hale
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Look. Soldiers follow orders. If the powers to be say we should let women into Ranger School. We do it. As LEADERS, we don’t bitch about it. Leaders just figure out how to do it. I say let them. That is the current national will, so be it. Just ensure the Standard is kept the at the same high level for all, regardless of sex or age. However every woman considering this tough course should understand that it will take an extreme toll on her body. The chances that you become sick due to a urinary tract infection is very… Read more »
William H Randall Sr.
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William H Randall Sr.

I feel that Israel has proven that women can be effective as soldiers. However, the rigors of special forces training may eliminate all but a few. If we must experiment, set up a separate program for women and do not lower the standards. If a woman passes the rigorous requirements then let her serve. However, don’t put someone in a Ranger or Seal uniform who does not qualify as she would be an anchor for them to drag.

LoboSolo
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There’s a huge myth about women in the Israeli army. Like our women, they are train’d to use their weapons and basic soldier schools. However, Israel found out a long time ago that muslim men would rather fight to the death than surrender to an Israeli woman … There’s no shame losing a battle to the Israeli men in the army … there is shame losing to Israeli women.

Omega
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Youre confused if you think theres no shame in losing to a Jew to those insurgents. The people afraid of dying arent the ones fighting. Theyre sending people willing to kill themselves.

LoboSolo
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I’m not confused at all. If it were shameful to surrender to the Israeli Army rather than fighting to death, then why hav so many done so in the past. Indeed, the Israelis count on the Arab units surrendering once they now that they’v lost and there’s no true point in fighting on. It may be shameful to generals that their troops lose and then surrender, but not those surrounded. As for the insurgents, many know that they’re going to lose even before they start. There’s no shame there. Their goal is to take as many Jews with them. But… Read more »
Omega
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“So how many Soldiers who truly need this training will be affected by this recent “social justice” decision from the Obama administration to allow females into Ranger School?” How can you SEGREGATE between “soldiers” and “females”? You are telling me that you, not having been in operations for decades, can firmly say that in today’s army there is not a single “female” better than a single “soldier”? You are out of touch if you think that is the case. Sir, I am sorry you never got a Ranger slot. But you are blaming women? Women ARE in the Army, and… Read more »
LoboSolo
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I think what West fears … as I do … is that there will be a lowering of standards. It has already happen’d in the Army airborne school where the women are SEGREGATED from the men to do PT for that they can’t keep up with the men (at least the were when I when thru). I know from personal experience that one morning they tried to run with us for “motivation” but they were dropping like flies even tho we were running at a much slower pace than we normally did … keep in mind that one must be… Read more »
Omega
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Sir, I’ve been to ABN in the past 10 years. Its not a leadership school. Its a skill school. Theres no segregation any longer, and people are accomplishing what they need to — gain a skill. Sorry that you dont get to feel like billy bad boy anymore because there are females in the class as well, but it is not an elite school any longer. Women are not to blame for this — the needs of the army are. When is the last time we jumped into combat? ABN is not comparable standards wise to Ranger.

LoboSolo
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The last large combat jump was Grenada … and the women weren’t allow’d to make the jump. If your logic is that we don’t need to train airborne troops hard at jump school is because we haven’t made a large scale combat jump in years, then why hav airborne training at all but for those who are assignd to units that jump … Rangers, Special Forces, Seals, Force Recon, asf? If women are still barrd from MOS’s that hav a direct combat role … like infantry … then does it logically makes sense to hav them train to make a… Read more »
Tim
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For the record: (classified as combat jump, star awarded)
26 March 2003 Task Force Viking / Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force – North: Det, 2nd Battalion, 10th Special Forces Group; HHC, 173rd Airborne Brigade; Det, 74th Infantry Platoon; 173rd Support Company, 250th Medical Detachment, D-319th Field Artillery; 501st Support Company; 2-503rd Infantry; 1-508th Infantry; 4th Air Support Operations Squadron; 86th Contingency Response Group Iraqi Freedom 954 Bashur Drop Zone Iraq

steve Howell
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wrong- combat jumps were in afghanistan(Rangers) and Iraq, Northern Iraq(173 BDE) , 2001 AND 2003 for both jumps.
women have no place in infantry, spec ops or COMBAT

Wanda Wisneski
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Exactly not to mention other reasons, in case of capture, rape etc., and lets face it men are in general stronger than women.

Omega
Guest

As much as I wouldnt want the “in general” average man as my battle buddy, i wouldn’t want the average woman. This is about exceptionalism and elites. Average anyone can’t do Ranger school. Averages dont matter. And they rape men too in capture, buddy.

LoboSolo
Guest

Homosexual rape of men POWs seldom happens and is the exception, not the rule. Rape of women POWs has happend a lot.

Shiprock Bilagaana
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Let’s spend a little bit of time in Realityland: Armies are supposed to do only two things: Kill enemies and break their stuff so they can’t kill us. In order for armies to do that in the modern world, they need to put all the skills each soldier has to its maximum effect. If a soldier is really good at killing people and breaking things and can support her unit and her buddies in the process (carrying them out of the line of fire, etc.) put her in a combat team. If a soldier is really good at logistics, plans… Read more »
Klepto Crat
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I find it truly disgusting that we are to the point of putting women in combat roles. Sorry ladies but we men have a built in hired wired need to protect our women that has been with us for eons. Why anyone who can give life and nurture that life would want to be involved in the hell of death and dismemberment. War is humanity at its ugliest but necessary but this is done among men for a reason. We love our women and want to protect them, but I guess in the new liberal world women are no longer… Read more »