Too afraid to face facts? UK and France deny existence of Muslim no-go zones

As USA Today reports, “On Monday, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, a potential candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, will give a speech in London addressing what has been a disputed claim that Muslim immigrants have created “no-go zones” in Europe where non-Muslims are not welcome.”

This claim is being denied by the governments of England and France and declared to be ludicrous at best and amusing in the worst-case scenario. In fact, when hearing of a similar claim by terror analyst Steve Emerson on Fox News, British Prime Minister David Cameron responded: “When I heard this frankly, I choked on my porridge and I thought it must be April Fools Day. This guy is clearly a complete idiot.”

David Cameron may “choke on his porridge,” bacon, become disoriented about the time of year, or resort to name-calling, but I commend Governor Jindal for pressing on.

There is a problem and “porridge choking” won’t solve the problem that a disturbing number of European youth are becoming either radicalized or disenfranchised enough to consider fighting against their own country and their own way of life.

The prevailing method of ignoring the problem, or any problem that doesn’t conform to a specified manner of thinking, and shutting down dissent by name-calling has never and will never work.

France was not so vehement in their denial of the existence of these “no-go” zones. Rather they referred to the areas as 751 “sensitive urban zones” where you might find disadvantaged youths who appear to be unhappy with their position in society.

The French claim these areas have low home ownership rates, low income and low education levels. I’ve traveled extensively through Europe and many of my relatives and friends are residents of these types of areas in Germany, France and England.

USA Today says “former State Department official John Bolton’s Gatestone Foundation states “the “no-go” areas are the by-product of decades of multicultural policies that have encouraged Muslim immigrants to create parallel societies and remain segregated rather than become integrated into their European host nations.”

So what happens when immigrants refuse to assimilate into their host society and instead set up parallel societies that reflect their own culture, mores and values of their native countries? Well, you get the problem we’re witnessing in Europe.

As Governor Jindal questions: “are they coming to be set apart, are they unwilling to assimilate, do they have their own laws they want to establish, do they fundamentally disagree with your political culture? Therein lies the difference between immigration and invasion.”

Back to France, which is roughly the same size as Texas. In fact, Texas is actually slightly larger (268,58 square miles to France’s 260,558). Recent immigrants and their offspring (foreign-born plus first and second generations of immigrants) make up over 10 percent of the population of France, 8.7 percent of which are Muslims.

Within this relatively small country you have 751 “sensitive zones” (Zones Urbaines Sensibles (ZUS)), where violence against white French citizens can be considered quite normal.

The “sensitive” neighborhoods are places which Islamic immigrants regard as their territory and whites enter at their own risk “A French report says almost 1 in 5 French have been victims of racist insults or worse. A few cases have even gone to trial.”

You might now ask, how does this happen? Why is the government turning a blind eye to this growing problem? At the root of any conflict or chasm lies the culprit of the ages: power. The French Left and many mayors actively promote the growth and spread of sectarian Islam, for their own good reason: Muslims have become an important constituency of the Left. In fact, 93 percent voted for socialist President Francois Hollande in the last election.

In the Paris district of Barbes, the city government of Paris is paying to renovate a mosque with what can only be considered a name indicating the harbinger of things to come. The mosque carries the name “Al-Fath” which means “conquest” in Arabic.

Nigel Farage, a political leader in England, has claimed that authorities turn a “blind eye” out of moral cowardice in regards to this issue. Whether you refer to these areas as “sensitive” or “no-go” zones, the areas, their reasons for existence and the issues that they represent will still be present.

The fact is wishing, hoping and singing old James Taylor songs won’t suffice when in parts of northern England there is sexual grooming of under-age girls, while in many parts of Europe child sex abuse, female genital mutilation occur. Of course, just recently, violence against freedom of speech as well as Jewish citizens within Paris played out in horrific proportions.

It’s not just England in France. Just about every country with liberal immigration policies in Europe is experiencing the same problem to one degree or another. According to the Daily Caller, in October 2014, Swedish police ceded control over 55 “no-go zones” to predominately Muslim criminal gangs. An extensive report mapping out 55 no-go zones was released Oct. 24, showing where law enforcement has all but handed control to criminal gangs. Take a look at this scenario that played out in the country:

“A pair of policemen in May were in pursuit of a suspect and unwisely entered the no-go zone of the southern city of Landskrona. Their car was rammed and the officers were forced out of the car. They were cornered by a crowd of some 50 hostile thugs and drew their weapons to hold them back and called for immediate backup. Several nearby patrol cars responded to the call and sped towards the scene, only to be ordered to stop half a mile away — just outside the no-go border. The police commander didn’t send the backup units in, fearing escalation and all-out war. The cornered police officers were left to fend for themselves. As luck would have it, one of the officers knew a few residents who interfered and convinced the thugs to let them leave.”

So, my hat is off to Governor Bobby Jindal. In the face of British Prime Minister David Cameron, vomiting his porridge, he has the courage to press on, one of the characteristics of great leaders. The wisdom to see, the courage to speak up and the ability to press forward in the face of angry, fearful and political detractors who are fearful and awestruck with their own power. Courage to speak and act is a rare quality in this political season.

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Hartbreaker
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Problem is that we have the same zones in the USA only they are black neighborhoods. Ambulances and firetrucks don’t go in without police escort. When I lived in one, my neighbor died of a heart attack while the ambulance waited a mile away for 5 minutes for the police escort. When seconds count, police are only minutes away in more ways then one.

Paul Sheridan
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Nobody calls them “Christian no-go zones” though do they? There are some predominantly white high-crime areas and several that are predominantly hispanic too.

Eugene McKinnon
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The entire world is in dire need of strong leadership…and just pray or hope that doesn’t mean a global police force.

PAChris
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The problem is the people in the UK have had their right to free speech stifled by laws that now act against the rights of the indigenous population. The muslims scream abuse and say that those who insult islam should be beheaded, yet do the police arrest them? No they stand there and do nothing at all, they are powerless as the laws that the idiot government has enforced make them powerless. The police did go around and remove the stickers, but they are replaced as they are removed. There was a case in Alum Rock, Birmingham where two Christian… Read more »
Luddite
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There is a massive problem, but to be fair, Cameron was spluttering his porridge to the claim that Birmingham was completely Muslim. Which it’s not, not by a long way. I’d splutter my porridge to that claim, too.

Lisethy
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Totally agree with you, Luddite. Birmingham is home to people of all races and religions, ( a bit like the US) and a wonderful city as a result.

Captain Canuck
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Birmingham is not a glowing example of the joy of multiculturalism , it has no go zones , some of which actually have signs warning non muslims to stay out . Birmingham is also the site of the largest case of infiltration by sharia law into the public school system , there is now a commission to monitor this ..

Rena
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As one other person posted on here, we do have some here as well, such as parts of Chicago, where as mentioned, even the police have problems getting in there. And I wouldn’t doubt that soon Detroit will be a No-go zone as the Muslims are buying up property in that area, not to mention the so-called Muslim training camps we have spread throughout the US. We shouldn’t be pointing fingers at England and France when we have our own problems to sort out. And yes, they do have these no-go zones, I have several friends over there that have… Read more »
IBWatching
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You people are delusional with your no-go zones all over the place. What? You learned a new term “no-go zone” and that sounds really bad and cool so you can spread the BS everywhere you go?

Pathetic little cowards would describe the lot of you.

Don’t feel safe here in America anymore? We have four borders… feel free to use any one of them to move your pathetic asses out of here.

Rena
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You are free to leave any time you like… don’t let the door hit you on the way out…

IBWatching
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Seek therapy. Your hatred of everything not Rena is obvious and pathetic. I hope you find help for yourself so you see the world through other than your own bitter and bigoted eyes.

You are who the Founding Fathers warned us about.

Rena
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You are really a nutcase. Show me where you see any kind of hate or bigotry in any post that isn’t against terrorism of any sorts. Its not hate that drives me to hate terrorists but the love for my family, friends and everyone and everything we know. I don’t want to see my anyone die at the hands of extremism of any sorts and that includes Islamic, Christian, White, Black or anything in between. And you are right, I am who the founding fathers warned others about, because I will not stand for anyone taking away our freedom or… Read more »
Exquisite Corpse
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Hi Rena, I live in Chicago. Tell me where. I’m extremely curious. Please 🙂 By the way, I live not far from a street called Devon Ave. When I grew up in the 70’s it was mixed Jewish and mostly white middle class. In the 80’s the Jewish community moved due northwest (to Skokie made famous by the movie Blues Brothers, among other places) and Assyrian, Indian, Pakistani, and Arab communities moved in. All of the “white middle class” oriented businesses are long gone and instead replaced by Indian restaurants, shops selling the colorful Sari’s that Indian women wear, and… Read more »
Andy Martin
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Fair point. There is no typical Chicago Sharia area but we have that mosque in Bridgeview that has terrorist ties. Is that close enough?

Rafael X
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What about black neighborhoods are there places police don’t go in CHI.

Andy Martin
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LOL! Really you stupid inbred? You think the CPD doesn’t go into the hoods? How phukkin stupid are you in RL?

Rafael X
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I saw some posts about areas in American cities where police don’t go. I know it’s BS for NY wanted to ask you about Chi? I know it’s phukkin stupid but I wanted to ask you. Honest question, thanks for your honest answer. Gheez.

Andy Martin
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Fair enough.

Guest
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Hey punk. You didn’t ask me anything. You made a statement and you were wrong.

Rafael X
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Forgot the question mark at the end, my bad.

Rena
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Thank you for your reply, I must apologize, I guess I should have been more specific to the different types of no go zones… In parts of Chicago, what I was talking about, is areas where gang violence is high and as the other person posted, emergency personal have to have police escort in many situations.These areas are so bad that many of the apartment complexes and projects are “caged”. This was a documentary I watched years ago, and unfortunately I can’t find it on the net at this time, but since you are from Chicago I am sure you… Read more »
Glen Saunders
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Exquisite Corpse
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That post is from 2006. Its about “Al Sadiq Mosque”, located at 4448 South Wabash Avenue Chicago, IL 60653.

Seriously, go look at that neighborhood in Google Street View.

That neighborhood could probably BENEFIT from some Sharia Law.

Andy Martin
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Here ya go wiseazz. You want something fresher? Mosque Foundation – The Investigative Project on Terrorism http://www.investigativeproject.org/case/391 Investigative Project on Terrorism Mosque Foundation of Chicago (Bridgeview Mosque) :: The Investigative Project …Kifah Mustapha explained that he was a “registered agent for HLF in Illinois” … Terror Linked Bridgeview Mosque Behind Push For Arabic … http://www.militantislammonitor.org › Articles Jun 18, 2009 – Militant Islam Monitor > Articles > Terror Linked Bridgeview MosqueBehind … June 18, 2009 – San Francisco, CA – PipeLineNews.org – Illinois’ … Bridgeview Mosque Foundation/ Hamas member Mohamed … http://www.militantislammonitor.org › Weblog Aug 21, 2004 – Which begs… Read more »
Exquisite Corpse
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FYI: Bridgeview isn’t part of Chicago, Its a far south suburb. But even if it was, according to the link, that Mosque’s only link to terror is that they sent money to a charity linked to Hamas. Not directly to Hamas. To another charity that has been linked to Hamas. I bet you a decent percentage of the middle easterners working at your local convenience store have sent money to family and charities overseas. But, its true, there are lots of people who have gotten in trouble for “providing material support for terrorist linked organization.” Hey, I’m not saying there… Read more »
Andy Martin
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Hey stupid, Bridgeview borders Chicago first of all. You can walk to Midway from there it’s so close. So spaRE me your ignorant FYI. No ‘even if’ anything pal. That mosque stinks with terrorist ties. There are plenty more links where that came from. And screw the standard crap from you Islamo apologists that there are militants in other religions. When I see it I will believe it. And stuff your history lesson while you’re at it. We weren’t around during the Crusades so lose the diversion. The Chi area has radical Muslims and the proof has been offered. Take… Read more »
Exquisite Corpse
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Bridgeview *might* have a city block or two of railroad tracks worth of border with Chicago, right by that big train yard behind Toyota Park around 69th street. 90% of its border is with other suburbs, Summit, Bedford Park, Justice, Hickory Hills, and Worth. Its about 2 miles as the crow flies from Midway. I know because I used to take Harlem ave through that area on a regular basis. Your Mosque is over at the other end of Bridgeview on 93rd. I’ve never heard about this Mosque so maybe you should go call your friends at Fox news, I… Read more »
Andy Martin
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Stuff your moral equivalency krap about Jews and Christians doing this or that. Or the 10 abortionists who were killed compared to the 290,000,000 killed by Islam. Oh and you could walk to Midway from Bridgeview genius. And the D-bag is the hag that bore you. And you couldn’t live in my ‘ghetto’ kid……. http://www.city-data.com/city/Downers-Grove-Illinois.html You have no idea how many Chicagoans are out this way. Got sick of the bangers living around 31st and Cicero, in Cicero where I lived for a while and especially around Division and Hoyne where I also lived. My father and cousin were killed… Read more »
Exquisite Corpse
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Actually Ive lived in Pilsen at 19th and Racine back when that was still ground zero of an ongoing war between La Raza and the Ambrose. I’ve lived in Little Village, and I’ve lived at Lake and Kedzie. So I know the deal. And my sincere condolences for your loss. Losing your father is tough – I just lost mine last year, though not under the same circumstances. I’ve also been out your way a bunch of times. I was just doing some business in Woodridge the other day. Not sure what your comment is supposed to mean that I… Read more »
Andy Martin
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Good for you. Then we both know ‘the deal’. I’ve known ‘the deal’ for decades’.

I checked Rogers Park. Median home value $144,000. Downers Grove $318,000. So tell me about my ‘ghetto’ again.

And I generally have a hard time with those who divert.

Andy Martin
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Chicago Tribune: Bridgeview mosque cheers Salah verdict …
http://www.cairchicago.org/2007/02/…/bridgeview-mosque-cheers-salah-verdi...

Feb 2, 2007 – Moments after learning that Muhammad Salah was cleared Thursday afternoon of federal charges of helping to fund terrorism, Abubakr Meah …
Bridgeview Mosque – Discover the Networks
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6463

Mosque located in Bridgeview, Illinois, which has ties to the radical Muslim Brotherhood; Has raised money for terrorist conspirator Sami al Arian; Has raised ..

Andy Martin
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Muslim Terrorist Groups Organize New Political Party to …
http://www.tpnn.com/…/muslim-terrorist-groups-organize-political-party-to-ov...

Apr 2, 2014 – The Muslim Brotherhood, the terrorist organization that the Obama regime … in Obama’s hometown of Chicago named Bridgeview Mosque.

Rena
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I can’t see any reason for anyone in the states to “benefit” from Sharia Law. It is not what this country was founded on and should not be something we allow in this day and age. We have come so far in this world to start going backwards to such standards.

Exquisite Corpse
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Youre right, I’m just being snarky about what turns out to be a fairly rough neighborhood in Chicago.

Truthfully I dont know enough about Sharia law to comment on it.

I’m not a big fan of wacky religious laws whether theyre Radicalized Islam or Right Wing Christian.

Andy Martin
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Be a good little Islamopologist and tell the class about all these ‘wacky Christian laws’.

Exquisite Corpse
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I’d rather be an apologist for the Abrahamic faiths than an apologist for stoking the fires of prejudice, but unfortunately the two are often synonymous. You paint with too broad a brush. I couldn’t care less for any of these three religions. They’re all crazy. But most of their followers are demonstrably peaceful and tolerant depending on how theyre being treated. However, you yourself are proof that it doesn’t take religion to be an internet tough guy who has racked up 5000 disqus comments worth of fomenting hatred.

Andy Martin
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Who was talking about faiths pal? Keep the discussion on the Islamo terrorists where it should be. Does it make your azz pucker up to hear the truth about them? Now you be a real good boy and tell me what is prejudiced about anything I have said on this subject. Does my posting style bother your ISIS punk? Ignore me. Go to any of my posts and prove them to be wrong as opposed to having your liberal azz offended. Got it hard guy?

Rafael X
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As usual “facts” on right-wing media don’t withstand scrutiny.

Captain Canuck
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Nothing to see here !! Islam is on the March , folks like you make great useful idiots for them , by the time you realize your stupidity it will be too late .. There are literally hundreds of towns all over Western Europe where I would just love for you to move into and begin preaching your liberal nonsense .. No go zones exist , talk to some Europeans who have left for North America because the country of their birth no longer feels like home ..

Rafael X
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They exist where? Surely not where Fox News is pointing. Favellas are no-go zones in Brasil, everyone knows where they are.

Andy Martin
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Then get the phukk outta here and go to a race pimp site punk.

Rafael X
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LOL Le délire.

Andy Martin
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Le Pédé parle

Rafael X
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Tu veux vraiment commencer ça conard? Ça peut durer tout la journée si tu veux.

Andy Martin
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Vous êtes un misérable clown qui n’aurait pas durés trois minutes. Foutre.

Rafael X
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LOL Ferme ta gueule sérieusement.

Andy Martin
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Seriously, go phukk yourself ISIS fellator.

Rena
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I suppose much like yours when we show you the facts on many issues..

Rafael X
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It’s one thing to make a mistake in good faith, quite another to deliberately lie to people.

Rena
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Oh I see.. much like the lies about Beghazi where they said the “riots” were due to a video, or “you can keep your doctor if you like your doctor”, or umm “I can’t unilaterally make provide amnesty to the illegals, its against the constitution”,… oh or “We have Al Qaeda on the run”… yeah… good faith right?

CheetoBuster
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Why do we let this happen in the USA?? There are at least 22 paramilitary Islamic communes in the U.S. run by Pakistan-based Jamaat al-Fuqra and its American branch

Rafael X
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David Cameron is not the only one choking on his breakfast. French media are also “morts de rire” when they hear of these “no go zones”. They event sent journalists with expensive cameras without police escort to these no-go zones. Interviewing French of all races who are all flabbergasted and insulted to learn they live in Iraq or Afghanistan. That and the very interesting blog post where a French cop describe having to patrol one of those “no-go zones it translates very well in English. Oh and that Nolan Peterson dude did apologize for being an idiot so it wasn’t… Read more »
Andy Martin
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Andy Martin
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I give a damn what they think. They won’t admit they are punking for Islam. It is what it is Ruffy. Just like the way you punk for thugs. Chatte typique

Rafael X
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Their house, if you think Fox News knows better. Don’t know if you watched the video you notice that the crowd starts laughing as soon as they see the map. Without the anchor saying a word. And if you knew just a little about French culture you would know they are fiercely secular, in all aspects of government. They don’t punk for any religion.

Andy Martin
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Rena
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I think my friends who live in the UK know better… they see first hand what its like to live over there… You are basing your information on news that, just like ours, panders to liberal politicians….

Rafael X
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So it’s the news fault they are BS. Fox News panders to liberal politicians too?

Andy Martin
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Again dumbazz………..

http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/

Rena
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To be honest, I don’t trust any of them to completely tell the truth about any issue… I do the research myself and then weight it as to what I know personally. Fox news isn’t perfect, but I trust them far more than I do CNN and especially MSNBC.

Rafael X
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I’m the one repeating “no go zone” like a drone without any effort to define what it is exactly. Fox News make themselves look racist, they apologized for being racist 4 times. I did not make it up.

Rena
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So saying an area is “no go zone” is now considered racist?

Rafael X
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Just not sure what it means exactly? Police don’t go? Ambulances don’t go? Filled with landmines? What is a “no-go” zone exactly?

Rena
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Use some common sense Raf really? Sheesh… No-go zone such as the one Col West is talking about it areas in the UK and France where the Muslims themselves do not want outsiders coming in, mainly due to Sharia law. People like us are not welcome because of our western ways. These I know about from friends who I have talked to over many years have told me about BEFORE we were at war with Muslims. My fiance told me many stories about these areas and I have seen videos where Muslims would go around telling people that it was… Read more »
Rafael X
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Where are they?

Rena
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I just showed you one example.. do I need to do it all for you…. Raf.. .open your eyes and do your own research on it… You won’t believe me then do it yourself.

Andy Martin
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Who’s house? Some punk Islamo terrorists apologist’s? Sit the phukk down pimp.

Rafael X
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Tell that to your buddies at Fox News, I think they still pay Allen West don’t they?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDO34qEHrIM

Andy Martin
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I don’t have to tell anyone anything. I gave you the list of how the French have tried to kiss Islam’s ass. And how did it work out? Maybe they should try midnight basketball for them like Chicago did to keep the thugs off the street.

Bonnie McCollett
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There are lierally hundreds of videos all over youtube that people living in these countries have taken of these zones https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=330271120485387&set=vb.319996201512879&type=2&theater

Lisethy
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David Cameron is Prime Minister of the UK, not England. England is not an independent country. The Fox News report he was responding to claimed that all of Birmingham, Uk was ‘a no-go zone for non-muslims’. There is absolutely no evidence for this, but that doesn’t seem to stop Fox News claiming something as ‘fact’. It’s the TV channel which claims snow in winter ‘proves’ there is no global warming, after all. Let’s all stop treating each other as ‘the enemy’ and work together for the common good of humanity

Rena
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Fox news also apologized for getting that part wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiayO-hUDd4

Rafael X
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They’re not the enemy. They just need to understand that they need to get their facts straight before accusing people of being afraid of “facing the facts”.

Andy Martin
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Hey thug fister. Here’s a history lesson on French Islamo appeasement……… Appeasement Comes Back to Haunt France | FrontPage … http://www.frontpagemag.com/…/appeasement-comes-bac... FrontPage Magazine Jan 8, 2015 – France of all the countries of Old Europe is one of Islam’s greatestappeasers. For all its official rhetoric, France has done precious little to stem … Paris Attacks Show France’s Appeasement of Radical Islam … http://www.algemeiner.com › Commentary › Opinion Algemeiner Journal Jan 8, 2015 – JNS.org – Less than three months ago, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry claimed that there was a link between Islamist terrorism and … appeasement of Islam… Read more »
Rafael X
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Any of that crap confirms the existence of Muslim “no go zones”. Those French reporters clearly show they don’t.

Andy Martin
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Click and learn………..

http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/

Andy Martin
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Suck ISIS azz as you do thug azz moron.

IBWatching
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You are a mouthy little MFer, aren’t you?

Andy Martin
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And just where do you live in France or the UK moron?

Rafael X
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NY. Just relied on these guys going where they said they where going.

Chris Robinette
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NY? Oh good, the defenseless state.

Rafael X
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Been un Queens for 20+ years still breathing easy.

Chris Robinette
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When ISIS attacks see how long you survive.

Andy Martin
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Appeasement Comes Back to Haunt France | FrontPage … http://www.frontpagemag.com/…/appeasement-comes-bac... FrontPage Magazine Jan 8, 2015 – France of all the countries of Old Europe is one of Islam’s greatestappeasers. For all its official rhetoric, France has done precious little to stem … Paris Attacks Show France’s Appeasement of Radical Islam … http://www.algemeiner.com › Commentary › Opinion Algemeiner Journal Jan 8, 2015 – JNS.org – Less than three months ago, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry claimed that there was a link between Islamist terrorism and … appeasement of Islam | The Counter Jihad Report counterjihadreport.com/tag/appeasement-of-islam/ 4 days ago – Posts… Read more »
Andy Martin
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So you’re ignorant. Lemme help you stupid……… Appeasement Comes Back to Haunt France | FrontPage … http://www.frontpagemag.com/…/appeasement-comes-bac... FrontPage Magazine Jan 8, 2015 – France of all the countries of Old Europe is one of Islam’s greatestappeasers. For all its official rhetoric, France has done precious little to stem … Paris Attacks Show France’s Appeasement of Radical Islam … http://www.algemeiner.com › Commentary › Opinion Algemeiner Journal Jan 8, 2015 – JNS.org – Less than three months ago, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry claimed that there was a link between Islamist terrorism and … appeasement of Islam | The Counter Jihad… Read more »
Rafael X
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What does that prove? Besides that you can copy/paste and use google translate.

Andy Martin
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Andy Martin
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It proves that you French sources suck ISIS azz.

Rafael X
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Andy Martin
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Here ya go genius. Screw FOX and everyone else. This is from the French govt in 2012………………………….. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3305/france-no-go-zones France Seeks to Reclaim ‘No-Go’ Zones by Soeren Kern August 24, 2012 at 4:00 am http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3305/france-no-go-zones231 Comment Despite the scale of the damage, French police have hesitated to make any arrests for fear of sparking more riots. Residents of the neighborhood know the names of the perpetrators but “nobody dares to speak for fear of reprisals.” “You can no longer order a pizza or get a doctor to come to the house.” The French government has announced a plan to boost policing… Read more »
Rafael X
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So what are those “no go zones” exactly? Sharia dominated. Police don’t go? Army don’t go? They got IAD on the roads?Landmines? What does no-go zone mean exactly? How can a zone be “no-go” if it’s targeted for increase police presence. How do you jump from sensitive urban areas to “no-go” zones.

Andy Martin
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Don’t get pi$$y at me punk. I proved they exist and the article says what it means. Can you read wise azz?

Rafael X
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Yeah I see description of sensitive urban area. I just don’t see how they jump to become “no-go” zones.

Andy Martin
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Of course you don’t. That’s because you don’t want to.

Rafael X
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No demonstration.

Andy Martin
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Was that supposed to be relevant to this discussion?

Brendan
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More distortion from Allen West.
If I put up a sign saying redheads aren’t allowed that doesn’t mean i have the authority to actually prohibit redheads. redheads may still walk in my neighborhood because my stupid sign doesn’t overrule the law.

If some muslim idiot puts up a sign on the street saying the neighborhood is under shariah law, that does not make it so.

Suck on this liar…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF0fyXX_s2o#t=91

Andy Martin
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Here ya go dumb phukk. A list of no go zones from the French govt………

http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/

Brendan
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HAHAHA… you need to find someone who can speak French to translate that for you, you friggin moron.
That is not a list of No-Go zones… it is a list of urban redevelopment projects from the late 90’s
HAHAHA

You look pretty stupid.
Who the hell told you that was a list of No Go zones

Andy Martin
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Wrong moron…………………. From the article……………………….. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3305/france-no-go-zones Many of these new ZSP coincide with Muslim neighborhoods that previous French governments have considered to be Sensitive Urban Zones. (Zones Urbaine Sensibles, or ZUS) — also “no-go” zones for French police. At last count, there were a total of 751 Sensitive Urban Zones, a comprehensive list of which can be found on a French government website, complete with satellite maps and precise street demarcations. An estimated five million Muslims live in the ZUS — parts of France over which the French state has lost control. Consider Seine-Saint-Denis, a notorious northern suburb of Paris,… Read more »
IBWatching
Guest

How embarrassing for you.

Brendan
Guest
HAHAHA… you linked aneditorial on an anti-muslim website that gave a false translation of a french government page about urban development. HAHAHAHA Don’t take my word for it. Go find a friend who speaks french and ask them to translate the French page and you will see you are being fed a line of bullsh!t Zones urbaines sensibles… does not mean no go zones. It is an urban planning expression for areas that need extra attention. In fact, moron, it was mistakenly reporting Zones urbaines sensibles as “No GO” zones that was the reason FOX News had to issue a… Read more »
Andy Martin
Guest

So now you’ve changed your tune since you’ve been exposed. Sukk that ISIS knob.

Brendan
Guest

HAHAHA
Changed what tune?
I started this conversation and ended it by proving there were no “NO GO” zones… and proved you wrong about the meaning of a French site.
But you can’t admit you made a mistake so you somehow blame me for your mistake
HAHAHAHA

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ I started this conversation and ended it by proving there were no “NO GO” zones ]]

And I dismantled your lie.

Brendan
Guest

HAHAHAHA
WHAT?
That is crazy. You are citing the same false source that FOX News had to apologize on air for.

Here… since you are too stupid or lazy to look up what “Zones urbaines sensibles” actually are, I will do the search for you…

http://www.insee.fr/en/methodes/default.asp?page=definitions/zone-urbaine-sensible.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_urban_zone

The article you linked earlier mistakenly identified them as “NO GO” zones… the same mistake FOX made and had to retract.

All the facts are against you on this one… deal with it

Andy Martin
Guest

Stop whining lefty. You’ve been busted, that’s why you keep crying. You’re the most pathetic loser and liar here. Take that azz whipping I always give you punk. Now pull that ISIS knob.

Brendan
Guest

HAHAHA
i provided multiple facts to back up my point.
You provided a debunked article that used a mistranslated French government site to back up a false claim
i even provided credible sources, including the most powerful right wing media source in the world, that all debunk your claim and that specific site.
HAHAHA

You keep swinging but you keep striking out.

Andy Martin
Guest

Why do you like terrorists Brenda? You need daddy figure? What kind of disgusting POS coward expends sooooooooo much energy protecting slime that beheads little kids?

Chris Robinette
Guest

Ok, Brendan, I challenge you to go into Dearborn, Mi and declare yourself a Christian or better yet a Jew and see how long you survive.

Isaac Carter
Guest

Come on. There are so many churches and synogags in Dearborn living in peace. You are picking on the wrong people.

I personally know several Jews that are open about their heritage that live in Dearborn, it’s nice there. Just don’t get to closer to Hamtramck.

Chris Robinette
Guest

Not in the muslim section.

Brendan
Guest

There are plenty of Christians and Jews who live in Dearborn.. and Muslims there haven’t killed any of them.
So what’s your point?
Unless you have an example of Christians and Jews being killed for their faith in Dearborn, your comment is absurd.

Andy Martin
Guest

Here ya go ISIS phukker………..

The full U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit has decided to review a First Amendment complaint brought by Christians who were assaulted by a rock-throwing Muslim mob at an Arab festival in Dearborn, Michigan.

image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2014/05/ads-07.jpg

The case arose from the annual Arab International Festival in June 2012 when Wayne County sheriff’s deputies stood by while a Muslim mob threw rocks at Christians, bloodying them.

The officers then threatened the Christians with arrest if they didn’t leave the event.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/christians-bloodied-by-stone-throwing-muslims-in-michigan/#63zoSMZADxf7fysV.99

Brendan
Guest
HAHAHA You are an idiot. And your stupid example does not prove my statement wrong. Christians were not killed for their beliefs… there are plenty of Christians in Dearborn and zero were killed for their beliefs. A group of anti muslim demonstrators went to a Muslim street fair ti incite a confrontation. They handed out anti Muslim literature to muslim children and incited the crowd by calling families evil and telling children they were going to hell. The crowd reacted and drove them away. the Christian protesters were in the wrong which is why the cops told them to phuk… Read more »
Andy Martin
Guest

Atta punk. Keep blowing ISIS fellatio.

Brendan
Guest

awww… you just hate to be wrong.

Ernie
Guest

Go to you tube and type in Christians being stoned in Dearborn Mi. and see your proof. I live near Dearborn and grew up going there to visit relatives, ethnic stores and food when it was predominately Polish and Italian immigrants. You can still go there but don’t you dare try to profess your Christianity or speak the word of God other than allah, you may not make it out alive.

Exquisite Corpse
Guest

I hate to break it to you but Muslims, Christians, and Jews follow the same God. Thats why theyre called the Abrahamic faiths – they all come from children of the prophet Abraham.

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ I hate to break it to you but Muslims, Christians, and Jews follow the same God ]]

No they don’t. God of the Bible is not Allah nor is it Yahweh.

Exquisite Corpse
Guest

You’re a moron.

Andy Martin
Guest

And you’re inbred.

Exquisite Corpse
Guest

If you can’t keep it in your pants, keep it in the family.

Brendan
Guest

That is not actually proof of Christians being killed for their beliefs in Dearborn so i am still correct.
What that is is a single incident where anti Muslim activists came to protest a Muslim street festival and harass people, they handed out hateful literature to children and were driven away by an angry muslim crowd.

That was not even a case of Christians being persecuted… that was a case of instigators going to a muslim fair to create a confrontation… and getting it.
They were no better than the Westboro Baptists

Andy Martin
Guest
+290 million victims of Islamic terror. January 10, 2013 at 8:02am +290 million victims of Islamic terror. 120 million Africans, according to Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, page 62, in 1888. 80 million Hindus, according to Koenard Elst, in Negationism in India, page 34. also Tarikh-i-Yamini , al-Utbi, Mahmud al-Ghazni’s secretary and Ibn Battuta memoirshttp://www.scribd.com/doc/28014130/Moslem-Conquest-of-India-by-Will-Durant 60 million Christians, according to David Barrett and Todd Johnson, in World Christian Trends AD 30 to AD 2200, page 230. and by RaphaelMoore in History of Asia Minor 10 million Buddhists. [David B. Barrett, Todd M.Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200,… Read more »
Brendan
Guest

Yep… radical muslims killed a lot of people around the world.

but nice try at attempting to change the subject.

I responded to someone who said Christians were being killed for their beliefs in Dearborn Michigan.

You just pasted a long list of radical Muslims killing people … but NONE of it in Dearborn… so is that your way of admitting I was right?

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ Yep… radical muslims killed a lot of people around the world. ]]

And still do. Good ISIS apologist.

Brendan
Guest

hahaha… you don’t even know what an apologist is.
i agreed that radical Muslims killed a lot of people and you think that makes me an apologist.
HAHAHA

Andy Martin
Guest

You got a little Mullah on your lip pu$$y.

Chris Robinette
Guest

Maybe it is time for an All out war on Islam.

Brendan
Guest

All Islam?

Chris Robinette
Guest

All islam

Brendan
Guest

wow… so innocent peaceful American muslims are your enemy too?

Chris Robinette
Guest
Copy and paste this on ALL muslim stories! Flood them with the truth! The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim The Beltway Snipers were Muslims The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim The underwear Bomber was a Muslim The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims The London Subway Bombers were Muslims The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were… Read more »
Brendan
Guest

Yes… so?
Radical Islam is a real threat.
No one is saying it isn’t.
You may as well o around pasting that the sky is blue.
the fact that radical Islam is a very real threat and is responsible for countless acts of terrorism does not change the fact that not all muslims are radical.

Chris Robinette
Guest

so when are you taking the trip into the muslim section of Dearborn, Mi. to announce that you are a Christian?

Brendan
Guest

What are you talking about?
There are plenty of Christians and churches in Dearborn

And what does that have to do with the fact that not all muslims are radical?

Chris Robinette
Guest

Are you going? simple yes or no question.

Brendan
Guest

That’s a dumb question.
i have no reason to go to Michigan, so of course I’m not going.
Again I ask.. .what was the point of that question?
What are you talking about?
Why would there be any problem being Christian in Dearborn?
i live in a city with a large muslim population. I have muslim neighbors and coworkers.
So what?

Chris Robinette
Guest

Then I have nothing more to say to you.

Brendan
Guest

Because i won’t travel to Michigan to prove a point to a stranger on the internet?

You seem to be incapable of answering a simple question…
What do you think is so terrible about Dearborn and what do you think would happen to a christian, even though there are many living there?

Chris Robinette
Guest

Please hold all questions till the end of the tour, thank you. Yes

Rafael X
Guest

Seahawks back to the Superbowl baby. Woooooooohoooooooooo

Uncle Ruckus
Guest

BOO!!!

Uncle Ruckus
Guest

When did ALLEN WEST go to see this for himself? OH WAIT…he hasn’t! NEVERMIND!!!

Rafael X
Guest

See for himself? He doesn’t even google what he links to let alone seeing for himself.

Uncle Ruckus
Guest

oh….you are so correct!! I do believe that he has a person posting on his behalf….he needs to hire a new person!

Uncle Ruckus
Guest

Fox News apologizes for analyst’s ‘totally Muslim’ comments

Rafael X
Guest

Actually Fox News issues on-air correction. Being mocked by liberals is one thing but looks like being mocked by French media is too much. Are they too afraid to face facts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDO34qEHrIM

Uncle Ruckus
Guest

Fox knows that the majority of their viewer are IDIOTS just like those here that support allen west. They don’t verify any information they are given….they just take it as FACT!!!

Taskmasterendgame
Guest

Uncle Remus !
You are a expert, at What !
Just saw a rabbit go thata way.
Go gets um Uncle !

starsfan22
Guest

A Russian news reporter went into a Parisian “no-go” area and filmed this in Oct 2012. The title includes “no go” in the description.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TPagRCb_mk
(English subtitles. Video has not been verified.)

Rafael X
Guest

It’s a French flea market. We see police show up to bust the counterfeit swiss watches. Lot less armed then the bozos in Ferguson.

Rena
Guest

Its not just about the “market” silly one, the guy had to wear a hidden camera because he could be attacked… He even speaks about it being a no go zone… but of course you wont admit it.. you have your head so far up the Muslim butt to think for yourself.

Rafael X
Guest

These guys are walking around like tourists in their shirtsleeves. I’ve seen Anderson Cooper and Bob Woodruf report from no-go zones. They are usually embedded in an APC with some fully armed unit. They are themselves in full flak and helmet.

starsfan22
Guest

Here is an Aug 2012 report from EuropeNews (an independent source as far as I could tell.) The map shows 15 Priority Security Zones (ZSP) which are different from the 751 ZUS (senstive urban zones) mentioned in Col Allen’s column.
http://europenews.dk/en/node/57694

Rafael X
Guest

How are these “no go zones” if those places are where they want to increase police presence.

Andy Martin
Guest

psssssssssssst……………….

http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/

Emmanuel Bruyère
Guest

This is completly ridiculous, barbes is close to my home and it’s safe ! Absolutly not à no go zone. That man should come and check by himself instead of spreading rubishes !

Prodipto Sarkar
Guest

your country seems to be suffering from the same problem as India….appeasement politics for the muslims…..but ur situation seems to be even more situation….no-entry zones in urban areas…..that doesn’t happen even in India…..if you don’t address this issue…..you non-muslims will suffer the same fate as Kashmiri pandits here in India…..get kicked out of your own land by the muslims…..

Scarlett Reeves
Guest
First of all, the French government does not “refer” to these areas as “sensitive urban zones” in the sense that they describe existing troublesome areas. The borders of these zones were CREATED by the government so that these low-income areas would be the primary benefactors of city programs. Such as daycare centers. Also, Nigel Farange is a) the leader extreme right xenophobic party b) a complete loon. Look him up, everything he says is brilliantly racist and ignorant. Furthermore, WHAT? Paris is renovating a Mosque?? And they only allocate 2.5 MILLION euros YEARLY to clean Notre Dame Cathedral. How dare… Read more »
IBWatching
Guest

Written by Allen West’s wife. So that explains the ignorant suppositions.

Andy Martin
Guest
Rena
Guest

People like him, Raf and Earl can’t read anything that tells the truth, its like a cross to a vampire… they run in fear from the truth and go find some liberal pro terrorist site to back up their claims… Nice article.. hope you don’t mind my using it too…

Andy Martin
Guest

They circle jerk with their ISIS humping brethren then run to John Stewart for their daily bread. They now defend Muslim thugs instead of the ape thugs. We’ll call it Thug DuJour.

Rafael X
Guest

What truth? Don’t you care where your truth comes from? Sorry but I can’t call any piece of trash an “article” just because it’s published somewhere. Facts need to be corroborated or verified. Yours, Andy’s and Flower’s truth have more holes than swiss cheese.

Andy Martin
Guest

Shut up Ruff. None of you Muslim munchers ever even make an attempt to link anything outside of leftard blogs if that. Now give Earl/Ruckus another hummer.

Rena
Guest

Oh and I suppose you didnt bother to investigate what that site is about… a little hint… its non-partisan, not for profit organization that investigates international policy… meaning they aren’t tied to any political ideology…

Rena
Guest

Did you even bother to read it Raf? Or check the site out? Probably not puppet… either the man pulling your strings wont allow you to or you aren’t smart enough to understand it…

Rafael X
Guest

I read it and I also read the French article it links to (no need for translation). It talks of 15 ZSP’s with three of them in French Guyanna Africa. All these zones are targeted for increase police presence and faster response time. The specific crimes they are focusing on are, drug trafficking, burglaries, loitering and grabs and dashes. Those zones are chosen for their high crime rates, low income and history of riots.

http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/comment-les-secteurs-ont-ete-choisis-04-08-2012-2113368.php

Andy Martin
Guest

Here moron. This is from RT and they go right to the people…………………..

France No Go Areas – YouTube

▶ 3:23▶ 3:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIy8snQrpYU

Jan 21, 2013 – Uploaded by Decan StoneThe French are quickly becoming minorities in their own lands and are already minorities in some major cities …

Rena
Guest
You don’t get it do you…. of course that is the specific crimes silly one, but the point is simple one… they are no-go zones that the law enforcement don’t bother going into because of the nature of the area… these areas are mainly Muslim, not saying all Muslim areas are bad but these specific areas are mainly Muslim and law enforcement are NOT welcome there, nor are any outsiders. From talking to people I know in England who have the same areas, these areas are patrolled by Muslims who claim it to be Muslim only areas and they have… Read more »
Rafael X
Guest

” they are no-go zones that the law enforcement don’t bother going into because of the nature of the area…” French police themselves are saying they are increasing presence and response time.

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ French police themselves are saying they are increasing presence and response time.]]

LOL! WRONG!!!

France No Go Areas – YouTube

▶ 3:23▶ 3:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIy8snQrpYU

Jan 21, 2013 – Uploaded by Decan StoneThe French are quickly becoming minorities in their own lands and are already minorities in some major cities …

Rena
Guest
The article states they “plan” to send in “riot” police in September to counter the crime.. It does not say mention that it is NOT a no-go zone but more to the fact it proves that they are areas that are so bad that law enforcement is not able to do its job and that these areas are primarily Muslim. This is not to say that all Muslim areas are this bad but the worst neighborhoods are made mostly up of Muslims. The problem with you Raf is that you refuse to see anything other than what Earl, your puppet-master,… Read more »
Rafael X
Guest

They are actually diversified not Muslim. They are poor and they are all over the cities. The term “no go zone” is not used by police anywhere. French translation is “zone de non-droit” which I also researched for in French Media. Only mention of them is from blowhard right-wing bloggers. Just ill conceived opinions no facts.

Andy Martin
Guest

France No Go Areas – YouTube
▶ 3:23▶ 3:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIy8snQrpYU

Jan 21, 2013 – Uploaded by Decan StoneThe French are quickly becoming minorities in their own lands and are already minorities in some major cities …

Andy Martin
Guest

Use it! I want everyone to grab that link.
Ruffy and his crew of goat humpers are the morons of the forum. In their malignant minds, terrorists and thugs are upstanding citizens. I guess when you’re raised by animals you tend to grow up as one.

Rena
Guest

Yeah I realized they are quite a while ago… I just like making fun of them now, making them show everyone what a couple of posers they really are….

I was reading more on that site you posted, pretty interesting… Thanks for linking it.

Andy Martin
Guest

Ruffy was probably always a POS

Rena
Guest

Probably, but he wasn’t this bad until Earl showed up… I think Earl is his balls he was missing for a while…

Andy Martin
Guest

Or it’s his sock.

David Bange
Guest

So? Is this article trying to imply that we do not already have the same situation here in the USA? How about Detroit, and several surrounding cities? Parts of San Fran Cisco, St Angles, CA; Philadelphia, PA?

Yes, Europe is far worse, but lets focus on the problem at home, and prevent it from escalating to European status!

Andy Martin
Guest

Please point out the no go zones here in the USA. Thanks.

Andy Martin
Guest

You do know what a ‘no go zone’ is, don’t you? It is where the animals are left to their own devices and the law leaves them alone. That isn’t what you linked.

MaxEffectUSA
Guest

Depends on what the definition of what “is” is. Just ask Billy.

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ Moslems are the ones that declare “no go” zones and weak politicians go along with them in hopes of getting their votes. ]]

Here in the states? Prove that. You show me where the fed and local as well as state laws are ignored and the garbage are left to govern themselves here.

I think all Muslims should be watched.

MaxEffectUSA
Guest

You can’t prove otherwise so I guess we’ll just have to watch. Hint, keep your eye on Norway.

Andy Martin
Guest

LOL! I don’t need to prove anything that YOU claim. The burden is yours.

MaxEffectUSA
Guest

Did you read the last paragraph or two in the first article link where the cops watched as the Christians got stone by the moslems? I’m not worried about proving anything to anybody, I just try to inform.

Andy Martin
Guest

Did you see how cops stood by as apes rioted in Ferguson? Did you see how cops did nothing during the riots of the 1960’s? So your point again was……………..???????????

MaxEffectUSA
Guest

Good luck with that line of thinking.

Andy Martin
Guest

And good luck with your dodges.

David Bange
Guest

I already have pointed out principal ones, or are you to IGNORANT to read the entire message?

“The OBUMMER” himself is a virtual “No Go Zone”! The entire Congress….. both houses…. are afraid to go there….against his many unconstitutional acts….. Need I say more?

No I will waste no more of my time with you and your IGNORANCE!!

Andy Martin
Guest

Get bent punk. I don’t give a crap what our POS POTUS says. Now pizz off and look up what a no-go zone means.

IBWatching
Guest

Please point out the no go zones here in the USA. Thanks.

Rena
Guest

You are about as stupid as they come… Like I said before, keep your head in the sand… you are in the best position for them to give it to you where the sun don’t shine.

IBWatching
Guest

Again… slowly this time… please point out the no go zones here in the USA. Thanks.

Rafael X
Guest

Any bathroom where Andy had a bout of verbal diarrhea is a “no go zone”.

Andy Martin
Guest

Right down your sons [email protected] throat. Then yours, then your mother’s if I have any left for the pig.

Rafael X
Guest

Those no go zones must be where Pizza Hut doesn’t deliver.

Rena
Guest
You know whats funny about what you wrote… is the article Andy posted speaks of that too… these no go zones are where people do not want to go because of the high crime… perhaps you should read more in depth about it… but also research it instead of being a pompous little punk, act grown up for a bit and research it… you might learn something… but then again I always did try to help those who are too stupid to help themselves.. might be of no use to tell you this when you are not smart enough to… Read more »
Rafael X
Guest

I’ve been researching that subject way before it was posted on this site. There are plenty of news sites reporting this. Truth his you don’t have to scratch hard to find the BS. Also digged deep into French websites, every search return articles making fun of Fox News. You get titles like “Le délire de Fox News” And now they might get sued by the city of Paris.

Andy Martin
Guest

You Still sukkin terrorist azz just like you do thug azz.

Rafael X
Guest

Sucking and blowing are still your obsessions.

Andy Martin
Guest

They are what you and your kid do best.

Rafael X
Guest

Have some respect for the ladies. You don`t have to pollute Mrs. West thread with your filth.

Andy Martin
Guest

Screw you punk. You’re the last POS to talk about respect.

Rafael X
Guest

I respects kids (unlike you), doesn’t mean I believe everyone of their tall tales.

Andy Martin
Guest

Cut the bull Ruffy. If you respected kids, you wouldn’t always be alibiing for the thugs killing each other or ignoring it altogether. You’re a clown and a fraud.

Uncle Ruckus
Guest

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Brett Chandler-Finch
Guest

hows the kool aid these days…

Kenyan Mocker
Guest

There will be world peace right after they open the first Christian church and Jewish synagogue in Mecca and hold interfaith services.

Rafael X
Guest

City of Paris will sue Fox News for slander.

Rena
Guest

I’ll be waiting for that to happen, then they will be forced to prove it wrong. Coming from people over there, and I don’t mean the government, I’m talking about their citizens, there is a problem with these areas…

AP
Guest
I think the bigger issue here — rather than the finer points of French law regarding libel and slander — is why does a “news” organization like FOX have to retract its false reporting? Anyone living in those cites knows the “no go” zone idea is absolute nonsense — and FOX has admitted it. Why does a news organization conflate and exagerate or even make up stuff as part of its “news” reporting. Why did FOX repeat for days information that was never “fact-checked” nor had any concrete evidence to support it? Is FOX news not really interested in informing… Read more »
elle
Guest

No the bigger issue here is that you are full of crap. These zones do exist and they are increasing and becoming a real problem for France.

You are hardly the only person who “travels” in Europe LOL.

AP
Guest
Ok…. let’s see… evidence cited? or articulation of argument? I am full of crap… and I am not the only one who travels in Europe. How does that counter the facts that I noted? — that FOX itself admitted it had “no credible evidence” and that Europeans themselves mocked the nonsense of FOX’s reporting (that they bone-headely continued for a week or so). Maybe if you say I’m full of crap — that will somehow change the fact that France’s anti-immigrant, anti-Islamic ‘National Front’ party has NOT said a word in support of FOX’s false report. I’m pretty sure they… Read more »
elle
Guest

After reading all your lengthy comments yes I did feel as though you were full of crap lol.

You say the “story” is utter nonsense but then go on to talk about the truth of it all here and there. You admit there is a problem. As I said, many people know of this issue long before Fox did the story.

Of course Europeans would mock Fox news. The word Dhimmitude comes to mind.

The National Front did not say much to deny the report either. Maybe there is reason for that no?

AP
Guest
So I’m trying to follow your logic… 1) I acknowledge that (a) there are problems, sometime serious problems with Muslim/immigrant communities or neighborhoods in Europe where there is high crime and some of those residents commit crimes and/or some may try to force Sharia law. and that EQUALS (b) that there are hundreds of officially recognized zones in Europe (and all of Britain’s 2nd largest city) where police have ceded control to Muslim-controlled neighborhoods ruled by Sharia as reported by FOX and then later acknowledged by FOX as having “no credible evidence.” Info that was based on a total twisting… Read more »
Rena
Guest
I don’t agree, sorry. I have many friends over there and they have told me about these areas years ago. They may not be called “no-go zones” there, but there are areas where Muslims do not want “outsiders” there. The Muslims themselves call it Muslim Only” areas, which I provided several videos of Muslims telling people that it is a Muslim area and the people on the street were told to pour out their alcohol and females were told to cover themselves. In Sweden there is a lengthy video of the Fire department and police showing where they are being… Read more »
AP
Guest
Thanks for a reasonable reply. However, let’s be clear. Calling out Lies by Fox or conservative ‘experts’ is not the same thing as saying there is not a problem. There is a problem. No one is denying there was an attack on Charlie Hebdo. No one is denying there are immigrant communities, some with high crime, or with big problems integrating. I do not doubt that sometimes there have been problems with police or fire services or even some who want to impose religious law on others. But that is not what Fox and others reported. They reported that the… Read more »
elle
Guest

You said no go zones are utter nonsense in your first comment. You are incorrect. The no go zones exist. Non muslims are not welcome, in some non muslims are harassed, and in some very harassed.

Forget about Fox news and their report. Those who know, know this has been worked up to for the past 25 years.

AP
Guest
If you notice, in the first comment, I refer to the no go zone STORY. The way no go zones were reported by FOX and others is nonsense, according to FOX even. FOX at least admitted there was “no credible evidence” for their STORY. At BEST their use of the term is a hugely misleading distortion of the fact that there are some very difficult neighborhoods that are dominated by immigrant/muslim populations. As I’ve said elsewhere I am aware that there are serious problems whether that is interference with police activity, recruitment/indoctrination of radicals, or some who want to impose… Read more »
elle
Guest

Charlie Hebdo for starts.

AP
Guest

At attack last month (and perhaps planned for years) is evidence that state-reognized Muslim “no go zones” (as FOX and Allen West report) exist and have “been worked up for the past 25 years”

I’m guessing that even those who support your view can’t exactly explain what you mean here….

elle
Guest
Yes, that’s what I mean the attack, do please try to keep up. Ask yourself what has led up to an attack like that? What forces came about that allowed this to happen? What is the connection? The so called no go zones, which I actually prefer to call don’t go zones, because I certainly can go to them, just would not want to, are fertile ground for islamic terrorism. If you can’t make the connection then you are in fact brain dead. The attack at Charlie Hebdo just didn’t materialize out of think air. Think about what has been… Read more »
AP
Guest

Forgive me that you did not keep up with my opening joke in my post above.

Well, of course someone planned the attack and they were in Paris. But the attack is not proof or evidence of no go or don’t go zones that have “been worked up for the past 25 years”

You make wild leaps of logic. I guess that means there were “no go zones” in America for 25 years before 9/11…. great use of logic…

elle
Guest
You are forgiven, and may I suggest that you work on your jokes. Why don’t you restate your “joke” about Charlie Hebdo since it seems to be something you want to makes jokes about. You are the one who makes wild and illogical leaps from what people write. Like saying it means there were no go zone in the US 25 years before 9/11. How dare you mock what happened on 9/11. Shame upon you, you little worm. You insufferable arrogant dullard. You don’t know the first thing about France or about islam so why don’t you just shut your… Read more »
AP
Guest

Darn it, Elle!
I was just starting to like you a little. But then you radically misinterpret what I wrote AND returned to using insults as a substitute for discourse.

Well I wish you well, anyway.

elle
Guest
If I am radically misinterpreting what you write then YOU are not writing what you mean very well are you? Stop insulting my logic and making wild leaps about what I say and I will stop insulting your idiotic comments to me 🙂 You put to much into logic. I don’t. Sometimes “logic” is what reality is serving up to us. I have nothing to do with how it came to be, I only see it for what it is. My own logic is my interpretation just as yours is. If you attack it, when I did not make the… Read more »
AP
Guest
For one, you don’t seem to follow that one can mention an event in an analogy that in no way “mocks” that event or its victims. My statement about 9/11 was mocking how you connected a terror attack to be proof of the “25 years” of no go zones “being worked up.” Please do try to keep up. I have high respect for victims of any attack, and I have high respect for life. Nothing I have written could be interpreted the way that you did… nor is there anything in there apologizing for Islam. You have made unusual assumptions… Read more »
elle
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You have a very naive view of islam based on your emotional experiences. The best interpretation of the Quran is the Quran itself and I suggest to read it and study it to actually understand the big picture.

AP
Guest
And your “impressions” of Marsielle (in which you doubled the portion of Muslims despite it being an easily checked fact) is not an emotional interpretation or experience? — Another double standard in your thinking and again a one-dimensional view of a far more sophisticated issue. What I demonstrated was not “emotional” but direct evidence of modern-day Muslims who do not feel any need to reject the Quran in order to live productive, peaceful lives in modern society. It is an example of THEIR interpretation of the Quran. And that is what matters. Not what YOU think of the Quran. So… Read more »
elle
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No my impressions as you call them are not emotional at all. They are observations. Any 25% fact you found online is outdated in regards to Marsielle. My guess at 50% is not far off the mark and in fact will be true in the future and is based on personal observation. I did not make that comment as set in stone but one has to understand that the muslim population is growing rapidly in France and so I don’t see the need to haggle over it. It will be 50% before too long. The only way it will ever… Read more »
AP
Guest
Elle, Thanks for the most thoughful, articulate explanation of this discussion — this one far surpasses simple insistence that something is right just because you say it is right. I’m making observations as well. I observe that the Christian Bible includes requirements to stone children who disobey, to kill people who work on the Sabbath, instructions that condone slavery, condone killing pagans, and the exclusion of people of any sort of disability; and that women are inferior to men and should never have authority over them. Yet, ‘modern day’ Christians take very different approaches without rejecting their bible or their… Read more »
elle
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Glad you read my first version, I intended you to. I do go back to some of my comments and edit them when I feel I need to. I gave no solution regarding Muslims in Europe. I said the only way the muslim population in France would ever decrease would be if muslims were deported. I said that because the discussion was about the population. Sorry if you misunderstood, but that was not my “solution” to anything. I would add that deportation is a bit different than genocide and killing millions of Jews in the Holocaust. No rounding up all… Read more »
AP
Guest

Thanks for the clarification. You might also notice that when I expressed concern that your idea was “more like” the Holocaust than modern Europe, it was an attack on that line of thinking. I did not call you a ‘nazi’, ‘fascist,’ or a ‘worm’ but rather I chose to explain my view.

best of luck.

elle
Guest

Just one more thing, you never did say if you were a Muslim or not. So which is it?

AP
Guest

Why should it matter? I’m a secularist.

elle
Guest

It doesn’t matter. Earlier you said maybe you were, which made me curious if you were or not as you didn’t say, beyond maybe LOL

So a secularist is sort of anti-religion right?

AP
Guest

Not exactly. It’s only the idea that religion should not be a guiding principle for government and politics, while preserving the freedom of religion. A secularist can have great respect for religion, yet supports the separation of chruch and state. Secularism has generally proven itself to be one of the key factors in successful democracies.

I have a mixed Christian background of Catholic and Protestant churches in the family. Almost a hundred years ago, my great grandparents were overcoming Protest-Catholic divides in America, and the family is still some of each.

elle
Guest

So where is spiritual leadership or personal spirituality fitting into secularist life?

AP
Guest

Wherever the religious organization, family, or individual chooses to exercise spirituality, as long as it is separate from official, government policy, and there is no favoritism for a particular religion or group of religions. I take no offense at political leaders who host “prayer breakfasts” or talk about their faith as part of their values or who they are. But I do object to them using faith as the basis of how others should live or what laws others should follow. That is a violation of the First Amenment.

elle
Guest

Luck is for the unprepared 🙂

Rena
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But wouldn’t you admit that all news outlets at one time or another have done the very same thing, perhaps not with this issue but others. We can’t just blame Fox news only, thats why I don’t cite them as a source for anything or any main stream media. I do the digging and talking to folks myself, one as I mentioned is my fiance a few years ago before all this talk in the media started and not all were Muslim areas but other high crime areas. I feel what we need to worry about most is a large… Read more »
AP
Guest

News outlets make mistakes all the time, and have some degree of bias. Propaganda outlets tell lies. This example was direct lies.

Again,, I am not saying there is no problem. Radicals present a serious danger. I said that the idea of ‘no go zones’ as Fox and others defined them is simply wrong. That is what I know from my own experience and others living in those countries.

Fox’s BS has also made it the laughing stock of European media. Right leaning or left leaning media. That I know as well.

Rena
Guest
Probably so, but then so do all them to be honest. We (the US full stop) have been a laughing stock for quite some time, in my opinion, especially over the last 6 years and it will probably take quite some time to rebuild a leading nation status again. Direct lies or indirect, are still lies or misleading information to get ratings no matter what the issue. Thats why I take what all main steam media news as just a source to get an idea what issues are then go from there to research the truth. We all have our… Read more »
AP
Guest
And you suggest that the U.S. is the laughing stock “for quite some time” in the rest of the world. Well again, my real world experience demonstrates that the last six years it has improved. And that is backed with facts: http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/14/chapter-1-the-american-brand/ the lowest numbers regarding view of the United States overses were during George W’s years. Mostly it has been more favorable under Obama. check the numbers. PEW is one of the most reputable polling and public opinion analysis organizations on the planet. So again, let’s focus on those organizations who gather and report FACTS, and not those who… Read more »
Rena
Guest
My apologies, I would say that from the time I was growing up.. in the 60’s, (yup a while ago) the US went from being the nation where every one respected it to being hated. This study that you have provide is nothing more than another report that people can fudge to make it seem like its better. When talking to people in England, Germany, Romania, Japan, Guam, Philippines Australia, Ireland, Dominican Republic and a few more, our reputation has gone down the crapper. I have gone in many forums aside from this one and talked to people all over… Read more »
AP
Guest
So you’re suggesting that Pew manipulates statistics? Indeed statistics can be manipulated and some people do manipulate them. HOWEVER, Pew is a straight-forward, non-partisan polling and research entity, and has protected this reputation carefully be remaining non-partisan. So on the one hand, you’re suggesting that someone needs to check the validity of the “no go zone” story — a story that FOX has admitted has “no credible” evidence. Defending the story even as it’s main source admits it was false. On the other hand you’re suggesting that Pew (which has not been forced to apologize or re-tract its statements —… Read more »
Rena
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I apologize again AP, this is my opinion, I do have that right to feel this way. I don’t trust polls taken as anything can be manipulated to fit an agenda and that includes PEW. They may be non-partisan or claim to have no “agenda” but as with anything that we humans come across, our biases can be influenced one way or another… I apologize that I am a bit suspecious, thats just me… I never through caution to the wind…. I am not that gullible to believe everything just because some organization says this is the way it is… Read more »
AP
Guest
Yes you are free to have an opinion. And using your own human biases you have apparently judged or used your opinion to determine that you would still likely trust an organization that admitted it was totally wrong, by lying for a week on something that could easily be verified (FOX) — and yet find it hard to trust an organization that has a well-deserved reputation for its research methods and non-partisanship (PEW) Like Ahmed, the French-Muslim police officer who died trying to defend Charlie Hedbo, (and who is apparently a success story of integrating immigrant communities in France), I… Read more »
Rena
Guest
Perhaps I do have somewhat of a bias because, overall, Fox has been the only one that I have seen to actually call an Islamic terrorist an Islamic Terrorist. They don’t mince words about it or try to minimize who they are and what they stand for. This is not to say that I put 100% of my trust into them… that is by far not the case and as I had mentioned in prior posts, I do not trust them or any of the main stream media as far as I can throw them. I research all of it… Read more »
AP
Guest
Fine you’d rather trust a news organization known for deliberate lies THAT as I have demonstrated is far different from bad, sloppy reporting or the poor judgement of pundits like Sharpton. Those are organization-wide editorial policies that report a LIE as FACT (the Ferguson case is not applicable here because it is still a FACT that WITNESSES say Brown raised his hands). You Trust FOX because they use the term ‘Islamic Terrorist’ So did you stand up to decry Timothy McVeigh as a ‘White Terrorist’? Did he represent all whites and deserve to have this label? Do you insist on… Read more »
Rena
Guest
Why do you continue to say that “I rather trust news organizations for deliberate lies”? I have said over and over that I do not trust any of them.. NONE of them and that includes Fox… I take anything any of them say with a grain of salt and do further research anytime I hear something coming from them. I did say I am biased to Fox for news reporting because of the terms they are not afraid to use but again I am not saying that they are so holy they can be trusted 100%… again please do not… Read more »
AP
Guest

You clearly indicated that you place more trust in FOX (the one known to tell lies organization-wide) than you do other outlets.

Rena
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Its a shame that you think so, but thats your opinion. I am not going to argue with you about something you can’t know about me as you don’t know me from Eve. I said I prefer them over the other two because they don’t mince words but if you want to take that as trusting them more then more power to you… I am not going to try to convince you otherwise… I have no reason to lie about it… I am not here to win any popularity contest but here to only discuss issues brought up by Col… Read more »
elle
Guest

Rena, you are simply talking to a muslim apologist.

AP
Guest

I’m very curious: what did I apologize for?

elle
Guest

You are what we are now calling an Islamapologist LOL

I’ll break it down for you, you apologize for islam. You refuse to accept the knowledge that there really are places that are being called no go zones. You must have proof lol

These places have been around a long long time. They are growing. French political picture supports them. But since you say you travel to France often why don’t you make your own expose on it all and show the world none of it is true lol

AP
Guest
please be specific: how did I apologize for Islam? In presenting FACTS about the situation or adding my opinion or assement — I have not once apologized for Islam. So I need to prove a “negative” — that they don’t exist. But you’re only argument that they do is to say that they do — using some words like “25 years” or “people know.” “they’ve been around a long time” “French political picture supports them” without even offering a single reference or piece of evidence. Analogous conversation: You: Rainbow-colored unicorns are real! Me: Sorry there are horses, but no evidence… Read more »
elle
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This article is critical of islam. You defend islam by being critical of the article. Is that simple enough for you lol

AP
Guest

By saying the article is wrong about “no go zones”… that is an apology for Islam.

Your lack of a counter-argument is showing. LOL does not strengthen your case, BTW.

elle
Guest
You like talking about the weather a lot and making weird irrelevant comparisons way too much. There’s no real argument to be made. I’ve been to France many many times over the past 30 years. I’ve seen Marseille change and much of France. Paris is very different from 25 years ago. I imagine it’s getting close to 50% muslim, Marseille. I based that on personal knowledge of property ownership/commercial. Many of the native French and I mean true French, not immigrant French and so on, feel as though what is happening to their country is somewhat of an invasion. This… Read more »
AP
Guest
Thanks for the discussion. I thank you for helping demonstate the emptiness and simplicity of conservative arguements. I used to respet the greater intellect of conservatism which as changed greatly over the past 30 years. Now it’s based on fear and worries, and over simplifying issues. Regarding France CHANGING with immigrants and some who do not wish to assimilate. I AGREE. And I am sure that many French French are uncomfortable with that and feel uncomfotable in particular neighborhoods. People “imagine” it’s 50% Muslim… and they fear things. How about checking some facts. FOX claimed Birmingham was 100% muslim, when… Read more »
elle
Guest
Yes Birmingham was incorrect and correction was made to that from Fox. I spoke of Marseille to maybe being close to 50% now, this is where I know. and I have watched the change over time. I don’t base my thoughts on fear or worry, only what I have personally experienced. France has a very serious homegrown terrorism problem, and that terrorism is islamic like it or not. It is. The no go zones are not official and I know that. Fox has recanted and made apology. Looking forward to your videos on the subject 🙂 And do please be… Read more »
AP
Guest
Maybe my statement was not very clear… there are news media outlets that try to cover news and facts… they sometimes interject opinions, they have some biases that reflect their way of reporting… that might even include that they emphasize some facts more than others or even omit some facts or opinions as part of their coverate. (No newscast or news article can actualy cover EVERY element of a story, so something is chosen to be cut). That is a part of being human and gathering/reporting news. Occassionally these organizations find someone on the staff makes stuff up. Ex: Jayson… Read more »
Rena
Guest
On the point about suggesting someone send in people to investigate these allegation, I wouldn’t suggest the French do it either as they are the ones who want to “protect their image”. Honestly it should be someone with nothing to gain from either side but to put an end to the allegations and please don’t send in the UN lol. Like I said, I am not a die hard Fox fan that can’t see when they are wrong. You brought up an interesting point about Fox not mentioning the Muslims who are speaking out against these terror attacks… i have… Read more »
AP
Guest
Look the “no go zone” issue is already proven as BS. We don’t really need someone to check it. Are there “tough neighborhoods” and places where large Muslim immigrant groups have some uncomfortable influence? Yes. Are those areas producing some radicals who engage in violence and maybe go join ISIS? Yes. And no one is turning a blind eye to this. but that is not what FOX reported. They reported AS FACT for about a week, verifiably FALSE information — that there are hundreds of places where muslim gangs control and the police have ceded control. That is not an… Read more »
Rena
Guest
I’m not for one minute arguing that Fox didn’t report something that is false and continued the diatribe for a week. I agree they fudged that up and have also apologized for what they did. To me it is no different than MSNBC and CNN and the Ferguson issue that set cities on fire in our own country when they all knew that their statements about Wilson were false, and have not to this day apologized for it… Al Sharpton also still has a job with MSNBC. I could be wrong, but as far as I know, CNN and MSNBC… Read more »
AP
Guest
So Sharpton is hardly the “golden child” of journalism. I have no defense for him. Fox slammed him for saying Brown was not a threat to the policeman. Sharpton later clarified that he was expressing his opinion. Did any major network use Sharpton’s statement as a FACT for a week or so? No. And there is no evidence to suggest that Sharpton’s statement LEAD to was the CAUSE of rioting in Ferguson. Sharpton’s statement reflected what the local community ALREADY believed. I don’t know of any specific CNN or MSNBC item that you claim was false regarding Ferguson. I remember… Read more »
Rena
Guest
Here is an example that CNN and MSNBC ran on regarding the Ferguson case. The false narrative that Brown had his hands up when he was shot. The continuous pictures depicting Brown as some “innocent kid” when he was a grown man who assaulted a cop prior to being shot. He was also a thug who had attacked the man in the store. These same narratives ran on CNN and MSNBC for quite some time before the first autopsy came out… The three main news outlets are all guilty of this. It wasn’t about Sharpton, although he is a mouthpiece… Read more »
AP
Guest
OK there’s a difference still. Go ahead and check the websites of those news organizations. To my knowledge CNN and MSNBC explained that witnesses claimed Brown had his hand up. That is a fact: that witnesses said something. And they reported it as a fact. Feel free to waste more of your time on google searches, but I’m pretty sure that you won’t find those two news organizations saying it as FACT, but saying that WITNESSES said he had his hands raised. Sure they used pictures that were more innocent looking. … but in all sorts of crime and violence… Read more »
Rena
Guest
AP, I realize what you are saying and to be honest there is no different in MY opinion. Even after the fact that these witnesses were proven wrong by the autopsy there were still some who insisted that Brown had his hands up. They also reported it as fact that it was true that Brown had his hands up regardless of what other witnesses stating that wasn’t true. If you feel this is a waste of time then stop replying, I am not trying to force you to accept my view on the no go zones, the Ferguson case, Fox,… Read more »
AP
Guest
OK, either FOX or your bias has limited your thought process. An autopsy cannot prove what position his hands were in when he was shot. What you are probably referring to (and allowing your bias to assume more than is there) is that the autopsy revealed proof that Brown had his hand on the officer’s gun. However, in the scenario as it happened Brown and the officer struggled in the police car. That is the moment when Brown probably grabbed or tried to get the officer’s gun and hand his hand on it. THEN Brown ran from the car. According… Read more »
Rena
Guest
Actually an autopsy can prove where his hands were. The trajectory of the bullet can be determined by entry wounds and exit wounds. All three of the autopsies support this claim. They also show that the final shot, the one on the top of his head occurred as Brown was either in a full charge towards Wilson or happened during his fall to the ground. That certainly can be disputed between the claims as there were witnesses who claimed either happened. I can’t say for certain why that happened there but regardless of that, Brown still attacked the officer after… Read more »
AP
Guest
The commentary by forensics experts at best say “probably” he had his hands in a position which did not have his palms forward. And yes there is evidence that he “probably” was lunging or leaning forward. That does not refute that it is possible that he raised his hands. Or that witnesses say he raised his hands. Again the point is that reporting Witnesses say he raised his hands is not the same as repeating an obvious lie for a week by the entire news organization. That’s still a big difference. I’m not worried about the rest of the analysis… Read more »
elle
Guest

It is called Islamic Terrorism because that is exactly what it is and best and most accurately describes it.

Only cowards refuse to call it what it is. That is the strategic blunder.

They are Islamic and they are terrorists and they are doing their terrorism in the name of Islam.

AP
Guest
That is an opinion. When many Muslims and Islamic leaders and scholars (although not as often as we’d like) condemn terrorism as sin, as un-Islamic, and some who even try to minimize politics in the mosques (these are fact by the way), etc…. There is a reasonable argument that it does not represent Islam EVEN if the terrorist themselves have a perverted view that they are doing it in the name of Islam. There are many, many Muslims who could help us more. They are deterred by a number of reasons… some out of fear of attack from their own… Read more »
elle
Guest
Ok. You just totally explained yourself. Islam is not a religion of peace. Terrorism committed in the name of Islam by Muslims is Islamic Terrorism. No not an opinion. Fact. Logical true fact. Terrorism committed in the name of islam is islamic terrorism. Sorry if that does not fit your idea of islam as a religion of peace, however, it is absolutely an accurate description of terrorism committed by muslims for islam. It is quite simple. Islamic leaders that condemn terrorism fail to make any kind of impact because what they condemn is in the Quran. If they truly condemn… Read more »
AP
Guest
This has nothing to do with what I am “comfortable” with. And you have revealed your one-dimensional understanding of Islam. The Bible, like the Quran is filled with contradictory and sometimes violent or archaic teachings that — thankfully most Christians today reject those parts. But by your logic, a Christian could only preach peace by rejecting the Bible. Your double-standard: Many scholars of the Quran find much inspiration of the religion as one of peace, or at the least believe that terrorists have badly twisted their interpretation of it. Just like in Christianity, there is a lot of dispute about… Read more »
Rafael X
Guest

No they won’t have to prove it wrong. Not if the lawsuit is in France. They have tougher standards on what is permissible under free speech.

Andy Martin
Guest
[[ They have tougher standards on what is permissible under free speech.]] LOL! They do? Appeasement Comes Back to Haunt France | FrontPage … http://www.frontpagemag.com/…/appeasement-comes-bac... FrontPage Magazine Jan 8, 2015 – France of all the countries of Old Europe is one of Islam’s greatestappeasers. For all its official rhetoric, France has done precious little to stem … Paris Attacks Show France’s Appeasement of Radical Islam … http://www.algemeiner.com › Commentary › Opinion Algemeiner Journal Jan 8, 2015 – JNS.org – Less than three months ago, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry claimed that there was a link between Islamist terrorism and… Read more »
Rena
Guest

Raf will only claim these sources as bogus… Quite honestly, I’m tired of the little (insert cuss word here), and at the point I will ignore him, Earl, Imwatching, and PP (probably all belong to the same troll group)… they are nothing more than blind fools who do nothing to help but only to destroy. I wish them all the best and pray they get the help they need

Rafael X
Guest

If a story is proven bogus from one source, what makes it more believable coming from another source. Its like saying the crap in the toilet doesn’t stink as bad as the one in the sewers. Still the same crap.

Andy Martin
Guest

Who has proven the story to be false moron? Now go clean your toilet.

Rena
Guest

They will have to prove its false if they are trying to sue someone over defamation. I am sure they will get stung in the hind once that happens… oh and by the way… no go zones also mean that people of certain groups are not welcome there, such as places where the Muslims don’t want non-believers there.. its not just about crime its also about things they dont like.. such as drinking alcohol as in the video I posted because they want to claim it a Muslim only area…

Rafael X
Guest

Yeah well settle on a definition and get back to me once done.

Rafael X
Guest

Look up french law, no presumption on innocence.

Andy Martin
Guest

Which French law? The one’s for Islam or the one’s for others?

Rena
Guest
Did i say there was? Try reading it again… or better yet… let them try to prove the things the guests said were false. If they want to sue, they have to first prove that Fox and their guests were lying and were trying to defame them… When they are pushed to do that, they can’t as they are going to have to go in these areas and prove that Fox did it maliciously and with intent to make them look bad. These areas where there are videos showing Muslims telling people they are not welcome there or that it… Read more »
Rafael X
Guest

They don’t have to prove anything. If French courts have jurisdiction burden of proof is on the accused. Prosecutors there are not like the clowns of NY or Ferguson. They have to take their jobs seriously.

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ They don’t have to prove anything ]]

Wrong…………………..

In a libel action, the claimant has to prove: „ the publication of a statement to a third party in France,
which refers to the claimant, and the meaning of which is defamatory. In every case, the claimant must not only
precisely identify the words alleged to be defamatory but must also explain exactly why he or she believes the words are defamatory of him or her. Moreover, the words complained of and legal sanctions sought have to be expressly quoted in the writ, otherwise the claim will be void.

JMHunt
Guest
You’re an idiot. What you have copied & pasted here^ is from “Defamation and privacy law and procedure in England, Germany and France” by the Taylor Wessing law firm (page 13): http://www.taylorwessing.com/uploads/tx_siruplawyermanagement/IP_Defamation_and_privacy.en.pdf. The quote you supplied refers to the burden the plaintiff shoulders when FILING its claim, not where the burden lies once the claim is accepted and moves on. On the same page you copied from (which, mysteriously, you didn’t pick up on) under DEFENCES [sic]: “There are two main defenses to a defamation claim: truth and good faith. Unlike in the UK and Germany, there is no separate… Read more »
IBWatching
Guest

Hahahahahahaha…

Typical conservative ignorance.

But… hey… they can copy and paste.

JMHunt
Guest

You know how it works – once someone like this finds what they are looking/hoping for, cut & paste. Fact check? > inconvenient. Confirm it by cross-referencing against something else? > wats cross-referencing? Read the entire page? > too exhausting & can interfere with hopes.

lol

IBWatching
Guest

Exactly. If it is written… we will make it true.

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ You’re an idiot. What you have copied & pasted here^ is from “Defamation and privacy law and procedure in England, Germany and France” ]]

Yes sperm burper. And I quoted the French law.

Guest
Guest

Huh? First you say the burden is on the accused then you say the French prosecutors have to ‘take their jobs seriously’. Why do you always post like a moron?

And please stop lying for once in your useless life……………….

http://www.justice.gouv.fr/art_pix/french_legal_system.pdf

The administration of proof under French
criminal law Pursuant to the principle of the presumption of
innocence, the burden of proof is on the plaintiff, i.e.
the public prosecutor in general, and sometimes on
the victim when he or she claims damages. The public prosecutor must produce evidence that the offence was committed and the person being prosecuted was involved.

Rena
Guest

Like I said Raffy… they will have to prove they lied… thats how it goes… You can’t go up to someone and say, hey you lied about me and leave it at that… they have to prove that they were lied about…. but I forgot… you know the law better than anyone else… even international law LOL … going to bed laughing about that …. haha

Rafael X
Guest

Again in French justice the accused has to prove he’s innocent. It’s not common law. Justice system doesn’t work the same way. Secondly privacy, libel and slander laws are a lot more stringent over there. Especially if you libel a government official or entity. All they have to do is wait for you to prove what you are saying is true beyond a reasonable doubt. Look up French press laws of 1881. Allen West works for Fox, if I was him I’d shut up about these “no go zones”.

Andy Martin
Guest

Again, you’re wrong………..

In a libel action, the claimant has to prove: „ the publication of a statement to a third party in France,which refers to the claimant, and the meaning of which is defamatory. In every case, the claimant must not only
precisely identify the words alleged to be defamatory but must also explain exactly why he or she believes the words are defamatory of him or her. Moreover, the words complained of and legal sanctions sought have to be expressly quoted in the writ, otherwise the claim will be void.

Guest
Guest

Still lying punk?

http://www.justice.gouv.fr/art

The administration of proof under French
criminal law Pursuant to the principle of the presumption of
innocence, the burden of proof is on the plaintiff, i.e.
the public prosecutor in general, and sometimes on
the victim when he or she claims damages. The public prosecutor must produce evidence that the offence was committed and the person being prosecuted was involved.

IBWatching
Guest

The lies that the liars lie are catching up to the liars.

The lies that FOX spewed are libelous. Just like you can’t go on air as a
news source and decry that Paris has shut down to all tourism, you can’t
go on air and claim that Paris has no-go zones… a claim that would
have a direct affect on tourism, and more importantly, the money that
tourism brings to Paris.

I’m hoping that FOX screwed the pooch on this one.

Rafael X
Guest

Standard for slander and libel is a lot more severe than they are here.

Andy Martin
Guest

In a libel action, the claimant has to prove: „ the publication of a statement to a third party in France,which refers to the claimant, and the meaning of which is defamatory. In every case, the claimant must not only
precisely identify the words alleged to be defamatory but must also explain exactly why he or she believes the words are defamatory of him or her. Moreover, the words complained of and legal sanctions sought have to be expressly quoted in the writ, otherwise the claim will be void.

IBWatching
Guest

Yep.

Rafael X
Guest

Since Allen West is a Fox contributor can they use his “articles” as evidence?

IBWatching
Guest

We can only hope.

Andy Martin
Guest

Typical punk nation. Wants to sue FOX as they sukk ISIS knob. Sounds like you and your skeez kid.

Rafael X
Guest

Fox recanted 4 times.

Andy Martin
Guest

I don’t give a damn. Who the hell is FOX when I can go right to the source?

Rena
Guest

Raf is stuck on this Fox News is racist narrative because he heard it once…, he is nothing more than a puppet with his masters hand up his hind quarter controlling everything he does… Seems no matter how many sources outside Fox we show they go back to the but Fox…

Andy Martin
Guest

Ruffy is the forum stooge and leftard lackey. I thought he was just trolling but he actually seems to believe his dumbphukery.

Rafael X
Guest

Fox News got caught lying. I’m supposed to believe the other “sources” that tell the same lie?

Rena
Guest
Fox didnt get “caught” lying, their guests got caught and Fox hosts got caught up in it due to what their guests provided. They have since apologized about what their guests have said that led to them reporting based on what they told them… get over it already… you act as if they aren’t allowed to make mistakes… I bet everything in your life is perfect right? I know its not in mine and I make mistakes and when I do I apologize for it… such as a few days ago on another thread… Geez Raf… get off your high… Read more »
Rafael X
Guest

Can’t dissociate Fox from their guests. They chose their guest and chose the topic they where going to discuss. Way for the “most trusted name in news” to take responsibility. Yes everyone makes mistakes and good for them they owned up to it. What I don’t get is why keep defending the lie once it’s exposed.

Rena
Guest

Oh I see… so only MSNBC, CNN and Democrats can do that but not Fox or conservatives… Thanks for clarifying that for me.

Rafael X
Guest

MSNBC and CNN did not have guests on their screens pushing false propaganda after French journalists got murdered. Fox did. Fox call themselves “the most trusted name in news”. The story is discredited they say so themselves. When you catch MSNBC or CNN in a lie I will be the first to say so. It’s not about the network it’s about the story. Different sources, same story, same lie.

Rena
Guest

Yup they will … Seems to me that Fox did admit straight away they were wrong and apologized… looks like you told a bit of a lie yourself..