Army LTC may be forced to retire for preventing photos of lesbian couple kissing

One thing I despise is when a rash political decision to appease a social agenda is not thought through and ends up affecting men and women who seek to serve with honor and distinction.

Such is the case with the repeal of the U.S. military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy — which became highly politicized by outside advocacy groups. Because it was more important for the Obama administration to give political payback to a small advocacy group — without considering the extensive ramifications of repealing the policy — basically the military was told to make it happen and report success. And now have a serious issue adversely affecting a stellar Army commander.

Consider the case of U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel Christopher Downey. As the Thomas More Law Center reports, “LTC Downey has given his country and the Army 24 years of distinguished service, including over 1,000 combat flight hours during three combat tours of duty. He has been awarded 3 Bronze Stars and 7 Air Medals, one with a “V” device for valor in combat. The Air Medal with “V” device was awarded for valor he displayed on May 25, 2011 in “complete disregard for his own safety while initiating multiple engagements against an enemy with superior fields of fire over friendly forces.”

“His actions were decisive in saving the lives of soldiers on the ground.” LTC Downey was selected ahead of officers from all three of the other major services to become the Presidential Airlift Coordinator for the White House in Washington, D.C. from 2008 to 2010. While serving at the White House, Downey’s direct supervisor described him as “clearly in the top one percent of the handpicked officers of the White House Military Office Operations Directorate and in all of the Lieutenant Colonels I have known in my 20 years of military service.” From 2010 to 2012, LTC Downey returned to combat as an Aviation Task Force Squadron Commander in Jalalabad, Afghanistan.”

“Under his direction, his unit exceeded Army maintenance standards enabling an unprecedented 3,000 missions executed and 30,000 flight hours flown in the most complex and dangerous region of Afghanistan, the Kunar Valley. Additionally, under his command, the unit won two national level awards in one year, an achievement repeated only once before in the history of the awards: The Ellis D. Parker Aviation Unit Award for the Top Combat Unit of the Year, which recognized that the unit operated in one of the most challenging and helicopter-dependent areas of operation while sustaining the finest safety record of any Aviation unit in theatre; and The Army Aviation Association of America Active Aviation Unit of the Year Award, which recognized that his unit flew in excess of 30,000 accident free hours in some of the most inhospitable flying terrain in the world. LTC Downey was rated as the best Aviation Task Force Commander in all of Regional Command East. He was slated to attend the National War College well before his peers.”

Without a doubt this is the exact type of combat leader we need in our U.S. Army at a time when the command of attack helicopter assets will be critical in the fight against Islamo-fascism, Islamic jihadism, and terrorism — as well as what may become a direct confrontation with Iran and Russia.

However, this stellar Army officer is now being stripped of everything he has dedicated his life to in the most heroic manner. According to the Thomas More Law Center, “LTC Downey has faced an Article 15 hearing for assault consummated by battery and violation of the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy. The commanding officer, General Mark Milley, found LTC Downey guilty of the charges. As a result, LTC Downey was issued reprimands for both violations, relieved of command, issued a negative Officer Evaluation Report (OER), and removed from the attendance list of the National War College.”

Now of course reading this you have to wonder, what did this warrior do that was so heinous? Well, the story is appalling.

As reported by Yahoo News, “LTC Downey’s attempted to prevent two female officers under his command, a Captain and a Lieutenant, who were in uniform at a formal military ball and were on the dance floor engaged in prolonged French kissing, taking off each other’s uniform jackets, and other intimate conduct, from violating Army regulations regarding public display of affection. Once he became aware of the situation, LTC Downey took immediate action to stop the inappropriate behavior. He also attempted to prevent other soldiers from photographing and videotaping the officers’ inappropriate conduct, which he believed would embarrass the officers and affect the good order and discipline of his unit. In the process of lowering the camera of an enlisted soldier, the camera accidentally made contact with the soldier’s nose.”

You must understand there were two violations being committed by these female officers — first they were of the same command — one with superior rank — and secondly, they were in violation of the regulation regarding what we call PDA (Public Display of Affection) — any good Battalion Commander would have sought to rectify this situation.

And if it had been two enlisted members, probably the battalion command sergeant major would have taken action. As well, LTC Downey sought to prevent any spectacle of an event occurring, which of course, knowing social media today, this would have appeared on You Tube affecting the good order, discipline and reputation of his unit. What LTC Downey did was commendable — and should have never been brought up on charges.

However, this is the new PC military. Yahoo News writes, “the alleged victim of the assault never accused LTC Downey of assault. In fact, he stated that he was not the victim of an assault, and that he knew LTC Downey never intended to harm him. Moreover, the investigating officer appointed by General Milley found that LTC Downey did not intend to injure the soldier, but was motivated by the desire to protect the privacy of the two officers involved and the unit’s reputation. The investigator also found there was a positive command attitude and climate regarding repeal of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.”

“LTC Downey’s Article 15 hearing was held in a conference room on May 30, 2012. LTC Downey appeared without his assigned military lawyer because she was told by General Milley’s lawyer that the hearing would merely be a “commanders’ conversation.” She advised Downey that her presence would make him “appear weak.” The hearing lasted 5 hours.”

There is no such thing in UCMJ proceedings as a “commanders conversation.” What ended up happening was complete violation by General Milley of the standard of undue command influence. In an Article 15 hearing you are asked if you wish to waive your legal representation — the commanding officer does not order the assigned defense attorney to not be present.

Yahoo News reports “General Milley appeared at the hearing flanked by two of his staff lawyers who sat adjacent to him while LTC Downey sat alone in the middle of the room with no representation. LTC Downey was asked legal questions, which he was not qualified to answer. He was also ordered to view a loose leaf binder of random photographs which had been taken throughout the night of the formal ball and characterize the behavior of the individuals depicted in the photos as “appropriate” or “inappropriate.” Although the enlisted soldier LTC Downey was alleged to have assaulted was in the hall, he was not called as a witness. The two lesbian officers he allegedly discriminated against were not called.”

General Milley has grossly overstepped his bounds as a commanding officer and his undue command influence can only be explained by concern over adverse media attention, offending homosexual advocacy groups, and contradicting the Department of Defense’s position that repeal of DADT was being successfully implemented.

And to make matters even worse, Yahoo News says “despite a Show Cause Board’s positive determination LTC Downey’s retention, his remarkable accomplishments, and consistently stellar reviews from his superior officers, a Selective Early Retirement Board, which convened this week November the 12th, will decide whether LTC Downey should be forced to retire.”

What is becoming of our U.S. Army? The Army — as we reported — is opening up an investigation to appease a radical atheist named Mikey Weinstein and about to forcibly retire a highly decorated combat attack helicopter pilot — over unsubstantiated charges!

LTC Downey’s case has now been taken up by the Thomas Moore Law Center (TMLC) — who also took up the case of another decorated Army combat leader, LTC Matthew Dooley, excoriated because CAIR and other Islamist groups complained about his course material at the Armed Forces Staff College. With full disclosure, I am on the Board of TMLC and based upon the cases of LTCs Dooley and now Downey, proud to be so.

TMLC has brought forth a federal lawsuit on behalf of LTC Downey. TMLC trial counsel Erin Kuenzig is one of the attorneys representing LTC Downey. Kuenzig explained, “A fair and impartial review of the facts leads to only one conclusion—that LTC Downey has always acted to protect the well-being of his soldiers, his unit, and his country and should never have been penalized for doing the right thing. We are asking the Court to review all of the due process violations and violations of Army regulations that led to such an unjust result in this case.”

This is just another example of how the politics of social egalitarianism and “fairness” ends up violating good policy and regulations in our military. LTC Downey should not become a casualty on the battlefield of politics and political correctness. And U.S. Army General Mark Milley — a decorated combat veteran and U.S. Army Special Operations qualified leader — needs to explain his undue influence and disregard of the facts in this case.

Something just tells me that it was not General Milley — but undue command influence coming from a higher level. Please, submit your calls to the Secretary of the Army, John McHugh and Chief of Staff of the Army, General Ray Odierno. This travesty must end.

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skatblueeyes
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“Something just tells me that it was not General Milley — but undue command influence coming from a higher level.” I’m sorry. I was under the impression that Generals are leaders who exhibit qualities such as bravery, resoluteness, honor, & integrity. General Milley had both the obligation & opportunity to do support the Army’s Code of Conduct, LTC Downey, and our troops. General Milley should have stood up to the” command influence” or resigned. If American Generals aren’t brave or honorable enough to withstand “command influence”, they don’t deserve to be called or act as Generals. How can Generals ask… Read more »
Paul Sheridan
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I served under General Milley when he was a Colonel with 10th Mountain and he always seemed like a decent officer. I’m extremely disappointed in him.

mrspinky85
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I’m not following. How is it OK for gay women officers to do this?

Paul Sheridan
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It’s not okay. General Milley isn’t the officer who’s being punished. He’s the officer who presided over LTC Downey’s article 15 hearing.

mrspinky85
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Ok, My bad. LOL.

skatblueeyes
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Thank you for your service!

lambda5555m
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I had a Battalion Commander and a Staff Officer I worked for try to exert undue influence and I called them on it. They backed down real quick because they knew they were wrong. I was only a Captain at the time, but I let them know they were on notice and I damn sure would have had them brought up on charges if they tried to do it again.

skatblueeyes
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Thank you for your service to our country!

William Torpey
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Reminds me of a line from a movie: “Loyalty above all else, except honor.”

Frank
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Generals and Admirals are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. I hope this answers your question.

skatblueeyes
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Thank you, but I was aware that the President nominates while the Senate confirms. I was not aware that the only qualification for Generals is kissing up to Obama & others.
As I said, General Milley is responsible for his reprehensible prosecution of this officer. Gen Milley disgraced & dishonored himself. They is no reason to excuse his actions or shift the blame to his superiors.

Thinker
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Notice how many Generals disappeared when Obama came to office? If he nominates and the Senate confirms (Harry Reid anybody?) no wonder this happened.

Randy Miller
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Well, apparently, it’s becoming crystal clear what happens to honorable men.

Randy Miller
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That is they join them or become a casualty. I just hope the quiet ones are waiting for the right opportunity to reinstate these brave souls. They can be reactivated in a time of National Crisis.

Randy Miller
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This is making me physically ill. It also makes me want to break things. How do people send a message these morons will get? Short of smacking the stupid look off their face which a good Christian doesn’t do, what are we to do? I will find a way to get my message deleted or cause myself to be investigated. Does anyone think a mailbox full of protests means anything to this immoral administration?

larrycal
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It doesn’t matter what you say Randy they don’t care they are to far gone. their hearts are hardened and the only way they will change is if they understand God and the gift he gives the true freedom he gives us. At this point all we can do is pray for them Love them, but don’t celebrate the sin with them, or tell them its ok. A lot of them are blind to the fact that God even has a side that discipline’s us and that we have to pay for sin in some way. So just say your… Read more »
ya_think
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Could be that Gereral Milley wants to come out of the closet??

lambda5555m
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Good point!!!

Noah Rosenblum
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When the head is rotten can’t expect the rest to function properly.
Need to have the head replaced; Lesson learned, do NOT vote for an inexperienced rookie senator from Illinois or any other Bolshevik/Socialist party.

Paul Sheridan
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Ironically, Lincoln was also an inexperienced politician from Illinois. Although he lost his Senate race.

Snap N McGarrett
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Public display of affection in uniform is punishable under the UCMJ regardless of sexual orientation. LTC Downey showed restraint in merely excluding inappropriate pictures from publication when he should have busted them with an Article 15.

SoonerNCO
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I told a 12yo volunteer in the gym one day to empty the towel bins and he replied “Why don’t you do it?”. I was a bit shocked by this and said “Listen here you little Oompa Loompa, why don’t you sing me the song? I know you know it!”. The kid walked away and emptied the bins. Four days later I’m standing at attention in front of the Commander receiving paperwork and getting my butt chewed. It didn’t help that the night before I received this paperwork, I kicked his dad’s team out of the intramural softball playoffs for… Read more »
Jennifer Ford
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Seriously? “The camera touched my nose and now I want to file assault charges?” Kick both of these women out – I don’t care who they date, lewd and lascivious acts should get you booted. I pray justice and common sense prevail – this is sickening!

Jan
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The soldier whose nose got bumped did not file charges and knew it was not intentional. That’s one of the things that gets me…he didn’t think he was assaulted but someone else did apparently…

javanaut
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Obama is doing all he can to destroy this country. His biggest enemy is the U S constitution, so he studied it extensively. He is at least as evil as Idi Amin was, but thanks to the foresight of our founding fathers, and the many of us who love our freedom more than life, he cannot get away with as much.

Snap N McGarrett
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Obama is a symptom of a much more profound problem. In a cancer ridden patient, he’d be the carcinoma, the lesion that would prompt a person to go get checked. Sadly, we’ve not gotten there yet. And even if the lesion were removed, the cancer that caused the lesion has metastasized into every organ. It’s too late and we’re walking dead with stage 4 cancer.

American-By-Choice
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The cancer analogy is good… but I think that the better analogy is that of the virus. Wherein the Left advocates for Foreign Ideas Hostile to American Principles… effectively replacing the base instructions to cells (Citizens) which are infected with such; cells which appear otherwise normal to the host body, thus are immune from the body’s natural defense system… I call it the C.I.V… or Cultural Immunodeficiency Virus (Pronounced “SIV”) The Virus that AIDs… American Identity Deceit. There is no known cure, except to retrain at a cellular level, to train each cell what defines America, where it came from,… Read more »
American-By-Choice
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All this is, is just another example of the predictable results of tolerating evil.

If it helps… this is just the skin of a scab covering over a boil which indicates the infection having taken hold.

Meaning that we’re already SCREWED… we just haven’t come to understand HOW screwed yet.

Either we stop trying to negotiate with this disease and start ripping it out of our system, or we’ll perish as a result of our failure to do so.

Nothing particularly complex about it, the hard part is DOING IT.

Nanagator
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ABC, I think I love you. Posting your comments at work. Best post so far.

lambda5555m
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Say What???

Paul Sheridan
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Allen West receives the Stopped Clock Award for occasionally being right about something. This whole thing sounds like bullshit, that’s not how things should be handled in the military. I like lesbians as much as the next guy but two officers making out in the middle of a formal event? That has to be stopped. And the guy with the camera says he wasn’t assaulted? This is nonsense. Thanks for being on the right side of an issue for once Allen.

Andy Martin
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What a pseudo-magnanimous [email protected] you are.

Eugene McKinnon
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Heyyyy…That’s King Crimson, I had that album!

Andy Martin
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🙂

lambda5555m
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LTC West has done a lot of things right. If you don’t agree with him and want to disparage him, why even come on this site? Go away. Just go away!!!

Paul Sheridan
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Well where else am I going to go to disparage him if not here? He’s the worst kind of shallow, partisan imbecile 99% of the time so I just thought I’d give him a little attaboy for rising above his usual idiocy for once.

Eugene McKinnon
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You haven’t stated any facts to back up what you say Paul, and that’s why it’s hard to take comments with nothing but air as serious.

Paul Sheridan
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“Something just tells me that it was not General Milley — but undue command influence coming from a higher level.”

This bit here is utter speculation. Is that hard to take seriously? Or do you just hold people who disagree with your politics to that higher standard?
Obviously my opinion that Allen West is a mouth breathing nitwit is just an opinion. As such I don’t offer any facts to support it and don’t expect you to take it seriously.

Kimcalaho
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If you truly served in the military then I find it hard to understand how you could not believe and/or understand the comment, “but undue command influence coming from a higher level”. I guess you have never been present when a Congressman was visiting right?

Paul Sheridan
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I understand what “undue command influence” means. What I don’t understand is how Allen West can be so sure that this decision had to have come from higher. It’s an assumption made without a speck of evidence to support it.
And by the way, you’re not entitled to question my service just because I disagree with you politically. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Kimcalaho
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ROFLMAO. You just proved my point, you are an arrogant ass who questions how Allen West came to his conclusions, but you make the same conclusions in the reverse. And yes, I am very entitled to question your “military service”. Service members are kicked out daily for all manner of offenses and /or failing to meet service protocols such as mental illness. Look in the mirror. Somehow, you believe with your alleged service you are thus immune to any questioning or ridicule, a sure sign of Narcissism.

Tony
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Paul , I was wondering did you ever serve in the Military ?

Paul Sheridan
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I did for 5 years, I actually served under General Milley when he was the commander of 2nd BDE 10th Mountain Division. He seemed like a good officer at the time, not sure what happened to him since then.

mrspinky85
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How is he not good in this situation?

Tony
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Well thank you and yes I also served and continue to in federal law enforcement . I just hate when folks who comment or share their opinion when it comes to the military who never served that’s why I asked .

Paul Sheridan
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Thank you for your service. I do understand the mentality that civilians shouldn’t act like experts on the military but it’s also important to remember that our military answers to civilians, not the other way around. They’re allowed to have opinions on how the military conducts its affairs.

Justin Ahlquist
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I don’t see how civilians have anything to do with maintaining good order in the military. You have no rights in the military, you are an indentured servant. The only issues the civilian leadership are suppose to be apart of is the strict overall mission oriented decisions, and not the actually ROE, and company size and below decisions. Most civilian leadership do not understand the military capability, they only are concerned about optics and metrics.

Paul Sheridan
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Leaders are responsible for everything that happens under their command. As such the civilian leadership at the top is responsible for everything that happens in the military. And regular citizens get to have a voice too because they’re the ones who pay for the whole thing.

lambda5555m
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This is a travesty of Justice. There is absolutely no reason that he should be brought up on any charges! I would have done the exact same thing. The only ones being disciplined should bet the senior female officer who was kissing a junior officer in an inappropriate display of affection out on the dance floor. LTC Downey did exactly the right thing and now he is being punished for it? This is crap and the military brass knows it. It is a political lynching of a decorated Aviator who flew combat missions in Afghanistan. Someone just doesn’t like him… Read more »
Earl Lee
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Forced to retire brought back memories huh allen since YOU were forced to retire

mrspinky85
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How is this ok? Heterosexual married troops are never allowed to do this.

Al Parsons
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As a 21 year retired Master Sergeant, I find that LTC Downey was acting in a manner consistent with military policy and the UCMJ. PDA has always been frowned upon in the US military and open homosexual/lesbian behavior is never tolerated. Fraternization with those of lower rank (Officer or enlisted) is VERBOTEN and pounded into the military members head from day 1. This OUTSTANDING officer (check his service record) has been left out to hang by a kangaroo court acting under the direction of a General that decided he was guilty BEFORE hearing a single word of testimony. I have… Read more »
Geoff Kieser
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The ironic thing about this is if the LTC hadn’t done anything to stop the junior lesbian officers and the taking of the pictures he’d probably still be facing an Article 15 for not doing his duty. He’s damned if does and damned if he don’t.

mrspinky85
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Why is it OK for gay service members to do things that married heterosexual members have never been allowed to do?
My husband and I both served and was in the same unit. Never was this allowed.
Equal treatment doesn’t look like what these officers want.

Carrie Geren Scoggins
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I do not think lesbians kissing should be allowed either. Voters in every state where same sex marriage was put up to a public referendum had an almost 90% NO vote. TN was a 93% NO on gay marriage. The public does not want this. The public shows in the landslide for conservatives in this last election that we want to retain a Christian nation

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Chief357
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(1) Your facts are wrong. In 2012, the issue of same sex marriage was put on the state wide ballot and the “YES” vote won.

(2) Majority opinion does not necessarily means it is right. At one point in US history, ideas such as the illegality of marriage between people of different races, black people are inferior to whites, women were incapable of voting were widely held views, and laws were passed to uphold some of those norms. Those ideas are now seen as outdated, and are generally rejected by decent people today.

Chief357
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We have just one side of the story here… and we’re taking it as gospel. The majority of what was written in the “article” comes directly from the Thomas More Law Center’s written complaint, on behalf of their client, LTC Downey. What we don’t have is anything (i.e. written statement) coming directly from the investigating officer, from GEN Milley, the “alleged assault victim” the other Officers involved etc. There is clearly more to this story, but why challenge your own assumptions?

sandraleesmith46
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Repealing DAFT did NOT negate the UCMJ, and there was no gender specification attached to “PDA”; it applied to everyone equally, when I was active, including legal spouses who were both serving. My question is: what’s been done about those 2 females, who violated the UCMJ in the first place? Were they bounced? Reprimanded and penalized, then reassigned at least? They’re the ones behaving in a manner disgraceful to the Army, and the uniform in general. Then agai, that’s but 1 of the reasons homosexuals don’t belong IN the military at all! Self-discipline isn’t their “long suit”!
TommyGun
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The Muslims got it 100% right regarding homosexuals. And they know what to do about the problem.

JohnSmith
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Haw! Tons of Moslems are gay. As soon as they get off a plane here, they cut loose, buy a bottle of scotch, and do stuff they would never dare do in their own countries. I have seen this time and again!

TommyGun
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Bet you don’t see them practicing homosexuality in public within their own countries. Would probably get them stoned or beheaded. Bring back “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” And keep women off of our submarines!!!

Tread7
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Damn homosexual obamanation !

Haydee Avalos Rombouts
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Haydee Avalos Rombouts
I have nothing against the LGBT community and I desire for them to be able to have equality in all things. That been said when both my husband and I were Active we knew the rules we needed to follow. If either one of us was wearing the uniform PDA was not allowed. That included anything from simply holding hands to full blown passionate kissing. I don’t understand why people are targeting him saying that he did something wrong when he was just enforcing the rules. Very simple people, if you are in the military you have certain rules and… Read more »
Eliott
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If I were this hero, I would tell Obama to kiss my butt because we all now that is where all his BS originated from. He is trying to turn our best military I the world into the laughing stock of the entire world. This phony President should be ashamed of himself and I really don’t know how any high ranking officer could work for this pri*k. He is the most anti-military President we have EVER had.

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