Religion of peace strikes again: Pakistani Christian man and pregnant wife burned alive

Yesterday we shared the words spoken by President Obama’s special envoy on ISIS, retired Marine General Allen, who told a gathering on Monday in Kuwait, “we must also tell a positive story, one that highlights our respect – our profound respect for Islam’s proud traditions, its rich history, and celebration of scholarship and family and community.”

Sadly today I was emailed a copy of a letter sent by Catholic League President Bill Donahue to President Barack Hussein Obama on a most heinous and sickening incident in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan — relating to its archaic and barbaric blasphemy laws.

As reported by the Catholic News Agency, “The reported killing of a Christian couple in Pakistan by a mob on Tuesday has sparked calls for the nation’s government to protect its people, and especially its minorities. “The burning alive of a Christian couple is a test case for our government. Our government must provide protection to all citizens and especially to the poor and downtrodden Christians,” Fr. James Channan, O.P., director of the Peace Center Lahore, told CNA Nov. 4 in an email interview.”

“That morning, Shahzad Masih and his wife Shama, a Christian couple, were allegedly killed and their bodies burned by a mob after they were accused of desecrating the Quran. The couple lived in Kot Radha Kishan, a city located nearly 40 miles southwest of Lahore. The wife Shama was pregnant, and the couple had three additional children.”

I challenged the politicized words of General Allen as bad policy and reiterate that position. A year ago in the summer I had the honor to meet a young Pakistani Christian woman named Julie Aftab who, because of her refusal to convert to Islam was attacked and had acid thrown on her and down her throat.

And even when taken to the hospital for treatment, she was shot because the rumor was spread that she had offended Islam — the Muslim doctors refused to treat her. Blessings of God that Julie was rescued from that horrific situation and brought to America. She now lives in Houston and I understand she’s about to be married and has finished her undergrad studies there.

What manner of barbarism is this? And what manner of cowardice refuses to denounce it, preferring games of political correctness? Another bad policy.

This recent story from Pakistan where the Christian community lives in constant fear is chilling. Here is a short synopsis, “Legal Evangelical Association Development, a Pakistani minority rights group, was told by Muhammad Rafique, one of the Masihs’ coworkers, that following the recent death of Shahzad’s father, Shama collected some of his things, burning them and throwing the ashes in the garbage. According to Rafique, their employer noticed this, and charged that some of the burnt pages were from the Quran; he then detained them. They owed him money, and he refused to release them without being paid. It was then announced from local mosques that the couple had desecrated the Quran, and a mob forced their way into the room where the Masihs were held, beat them, and then burnt them alive in the kiln’s furnace.”

Here is the entire letter sent to President Obama by Catholic League President Donahue yesterday.

I suppose even presenting this story will once again earn me the label of “islamophobe” — feel free. I will not relent in reporting this savage barbarism that we believe can be conquered by appeasement, dismissal or calling a different name. Is this a Pakistani version of “workplace violence?” I encourage you all to copy this letter and send it to the White House, attention President Obama, State Department attention John Kerry, office of Senator Mitch McConnell, and office of House Speaker John Boehner, and demand cutting off all foreign aid to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan until they revoke their insidious blasphemy laws and also release the Pakistani doctor who identified Obama bin Laden — Dr. Shakil Afridi.

We must stand for human rights and I am waiting to hear from the women’s rights groups appalled at the heinous torture and murder of Shama and her unborn child.


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  1. Now this has become a WAR of EXTERMINATION folks, it’s them or US.Don’t care what libtards say, don’t Care what the Pope says, don’t even care what Jesus Christ Himself would say, this pestilence of ISLAM has to be exterminated from the face of the Planet. You can’t even call them animals because animals don’t kill for pleasure or fun. This is a Blood Cult based on the BLOOD GOD BAAL and it needs to go away with extreme prejudice.

      • The difference, Seth, is that I don’t belong to a cult. You do! It is a death cult that does nothing but destroy! You believe jihad is a good thing. That’s because Satan is the father of lies and you’ve been DECEIVED by him!

      • No you are not, Flower. You are “Messianic Jew.” Amalgam of Judaism and ‘Reborn’ Christian.” And as I posted before, to which you did not reply. You folks are somewhere between a sect ant a cult. Only been around what, 40…50 years? Doesn’t sound like a well founded “religion.” IMHO.

      • No proof only opinions. But enjoy your Mithraism and pagan doctrine fostered by Paul. Enjoy, God will in the end judge between use. And since your running around condemning ppl its not looking good for you. Jesus said judge not. Guess your one of them cherry picken Christians. I was a Christian preacher so I know your just guessing at religion.

      • Not welcome? What about West’s call for free, open and respectful posts. Unless this is an “Allen (I got thrown out of the Army) West “fan club.”

  2. Pakistan, the crap hole of the world thanks to islam. I am surprised that there are any Christians there at all at this point, and I hope they can get out. It is only a matter of time before a Christian will offend a muslim, get falsely accused of blasphemy and get burned alive by a mob of Pakistani citizens, or get their house burned down, or get thrown in jail for getting a drink of water like Asia Bibi. These are not terrorists, or extremists, or crazies, or radicals – they are just ordinary citizens of Pakistan.

    It is disgusting and barbaric what they did to this beautiful young family. No words can really describe how horrific this is.

      • Read the Quran, Seth … there are 109 verses in it that tell the Islamic believer to kill anyone who believes differently. It is an EVIL book, inspired by Satan!

      • . And remember the time when We took a covenant from the children of Israel: ‘You shall worship nothing but Allah and show kindness to parents and to kindred and orphans and the poor, and speak to men kindly and observe Prayer, and pay the Zakat;’ then you turned away in aversion, except a few of you. (Al Quran 2:84)

        161. They ask thee what they shall spend. Say: ‘Whatever of good and abundant wealth you spend should be for parents and near relatives and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer. And whatever good you do, surely Allah knows it well.’ (Al Quran 2:216)

        162. And worship Allah and associate naught with Him, and show kindness to parents, and to kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and to the neighbor that is a kinsman and the neighbor that is a stranger, and the companion by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom your right hands possess. Surely, Allah loves not the proud and the boastful. (Al Quran 4:37)

        163. Say, ‘Come, I will rehearse to you what your Lord has forbidden: that you associate not anything as partner with Him and that you do good to parents, and that you kill not your children for fear of poverty — it is We Who provide for you and for them — and that you approach not foul deeds, whether open or secret; and that you kill not the life which Allah has made sacred, save by right. That is what He has enjoined upon you, that you may understand. (Al Quran 6:152)

        ‘164. Our Lord, grant forgiveness to me and to my parents and to the believers on the day when the reckoning will take place.’ (Al Quran 14:42)

        165. Thy Lord has commanded, “Worship none but Him, and show kindness to parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age with thee, never say unto them any word expressive of disgust nor reproach them, but address them with excellent speech. (Al Quran 17:24)

        166. And We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents; but if they strive to make thee associate that with Me of which thou hast no knowledge, then obey them not. Unto Me is your return, and I shall inform you of what you did. (Al Quran 29:9)

      • Again, allah is Satan. The children of Israel worshipped GOD, not allah! Islam is a culture of death and a CULT that does nothing but destroy!

      • Based on a Holy God and His Word, the Bible.

        Now – I have spoken to you the truth. I won’t speak to you again. Muslims are rabid dogs that need to be put down. SOME, however, are having dreams and visions and turning to Christ! It would be wonderful if YOU did that, but it seems you are one who will not and will spend eternity with your god, Satan, in hell.

      • Your condemning ppl based not on knowledge but opinions is wrong. What you are saying is that your on the same level as God and you send ppl to heaven or hell which you don’t have the authority to do.

      • Why do you belittle women like you do. Saying someone is weak like a female is implying that somehow woman are weak.

      • I read another story that the children do have family there and I am sure they have them now. The extended family is devastated by this.


    People accused of blasphemy in Pakistan rarely can find legal representation. Asia Bibi had an attorney, but he was murdered. I think Pakistan is going to hang her because some muslim women did not want to share water with a Christian from a bucket, then accused her of blasphemy. She’s been in prison for years.

    Pakistan should be ashamed.

    • There’s actually one good thing they’re doing.

      They’re warning us against totalitarianism. They’re also providing the impetus for the increase in domestic defense spending. As sad as it may be, War is the best way to pull a country or world out of an economic slump.

      War leads to more people working, which means more money in the economy. War also leads to dramatic improvements in technology, which make their way to the civilian market as at-home devices or better/safer automobiles, improved medicine (especially concerning trauma medicine).

      There’s the answer for those hippie doofuses who sing that stupid song, “War! What is it good for..?”

    • I agree it is ignorance, fanaticism, cruelty and evil and it is also very much about religion or the lack of religious tolerance in Pakistan towards non-muslims.

      If it were not so then this Christian man and wife with their unborn child would have never been murdered. Why – Because they would not have broken the blasphemy law in Pakistan that has sharia as their established form of governance.

      Likely if this mob had not done what they did the couple would have still been arrested and imprisoned for blasphemy. It is such a sad story.

    • Sharia will never happen in the United States. Sharia law is in opposition to the Constitution and individual rights and could never stand in our courts. Individuals in their personal lives that have demonstrated sharia in our country find themselves in our prisons. States that have put into law banning sharia and any other foreign/international/religious specific laws such as sharia are AL, NC, AZ, KS, KY, LA, SD, TN & MO. There may be others that have legislation in the works right now following this same path. Any attempt to force sharia into our US judicial system will simply see direct confrontation as it is unconstitutional. Freedom of religion will not be able to make it over this hurdle. Will islamic groups try, of course as they already have, but they will fail. This is the United States and we have our laws. If muslims want sharia they can go live in countries like Pakistan where it is the law.

      • This statement is completely false and baseless. Sharia law is written into the constitution and has had a huge influence on our laws. There is a sculpture of Muhammad on the wall of the Supreme Court. He was also named one of the greatest lawgivers by the supreme court. I could keep going but I might be accused of not have my own ideas because I like to quote history books

      • Foreign laws are being banned state by state through specific legislation. That would include sharia. There’s nothing false about that.

        Maybe I did not make my point clear in my comment. I don’t think that sharia courts will ever be established in the US and secondly the point was that already there are states with specific legislation against.

        Sharia law being “written into” our constitution is a stretch.

        Yes muhammad is on a frieze with 17 other lawmakers, but you seem to imply that is it somehow dedicated to him which it is not. In fact CAIR found it offensive and wanted it sandblasted off. Rehnquist wisely denied this request.

        What I have wondered when this topic has come up is why muslims feel they need sharia courts in the US and feel they need to inject sharia laws into our US Judicial system in the first place. We all are protected equally by the constitution. Which makes me think maybe if a judge allowed sharia to be placed above the constitutional “Law of the Land” that perhaps someone may be denied their rights under US law such as in divorces or child custody cases and so on.

        I really don’t want to argue the constitution with you Saith. We all know sharia is not in our constitution or we would not be having this conversation.

      • This subjects right up my alley. I have been stuck on an ides to do a comprehensive and objective comparative study of the us constitution and Shari’a. I could start listing things here but my work is still to incomplete

      • No. You have a terminal case of PEBKAC, son.

        I suggest you stop posting, before admins get tired of your stupidity.

      • For, [true] servants of the Most Gracious are [only] they who walk gently on earth, and who, whenever the foolish address them, reply with [words of] peace

      • There are already Sharia Courts in the USA. Dearborn MI, and Gov. Chris Christie appointed a judge who uses Sharia Law to help Muslims, in divorce, and other problems. Which is WRONG! The Constitution is the LAW OF THE LAND, and not Sharia law!

      • Yes we have our own Dearbornistan. We have mohammedeans hiding behind the US Constitution and freedom of religion in MI slowing easing their sharia laws into our court rooms. We have mayors and politicians pandering to the islamic population. We have judges allowing sharia de facto and flagrantly violating the law of the land by doing so.

        I think eventually all states will pass legislation banning sharia. Of course our Great Lakes State will no doubt be the last. I have not heard of actual parallel sharia courts, only judges allowing it.

        I’m sure you heard of the 2009 incident. Was hard to believe this was happening in MI when I first saw the videos a while ago. But looks like they won their case which is a great start at pushing back at this stealth sharia taking over MI.

      • This is how the UK got into trouble! They allowed Sharia colonies inside their country and let them have their own laws. NOW they have written some Sharia into their national laws! The UK will fall within a few years because of their extreme stupidity!

      • EVERYONE should send Christmas and/or Hanukkah cards to CAIR!! Their address is: 1218 Chestnut St., Suite 510, Philadelphia, PA 19107 and:

        CAIR in NYC, 475 Riverside Ave. New York, NY 10115

      • What drugs are you taking?? Sharia law is NOT written into the constitution. That statement is utterly false and you’re full of it.

        FYI, upvoting your own comments doesn’t legitimize your BS, it only makes you feel like someone agrees.

      • Not according to Facebook, Seth. But if you’re game for nonsense about Sharia and the Constitution, I’m game for name shenanigans.

      • Saith is my name. Facebook said Saith was offensive so I had to change it to Seth. I’m not game for that type of shenanigans. Its of no benefit to play such games.

    • Yes why do we, when it is not in the Constitution for us to do so? Very little is in the Constitution, for the US gov’t to do. Yet these representatives, and senators, and presidents get so full of themselves..they have to have, and be the power…yet they do not understand..WE the People are supposed to be their Bosses!

    • Pakistan christion have always bleave people are in west they think about us does people are in UK USA or EU does they know all about this dear friend a life is really important and the great gift of GOD Lord JRSUS Christ died on the cross our sins should we save his people of you don’t then who will oand if not know them never

  4. Liberal progressives tend to be more about emotions than logic or morality. This is why the regime occupying our White House is always so supportive of Islamic cults.

  5. Hey, no big deal, just MUSLIMS doing what MUSLIMS do best. By the way, General Allen is either a lying stooge for the current administration or just plain stupid.

  6. “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.” — Deuteronomy 18:18

    In the Book of Deuteronomy, Moses relays what God told him, “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put My words in his mouth; and will speak unto them all that I shall command him.” First, note the phrase ‘from among their brethren’.

    Ishmael and Isaac were both brothers and they were the children of Prophet Abraham. When Prophet Moses, may peace and blessings be upon him, was quoting God as promising to send a prophet like Moses the verse says ‘from among their brethren’. Who are the brethren of the Israelites? They are, simply, the Ishmaelites. This is a clear and straightforward indication that the prophet who is going to be ‘like unto Moses’ from the brethren of the Israelites is Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessing be upon him.

    In fact, the Hebrew dictionary of the Bible definesbrethren, as used in the biblical sense, in the following terms: it says it is the personification of a group of tribes who were regarded as near kinsmen to the Israelites. There is no nearer kinsmen tribe to the Israelites other than the Ishmaelites because they are their brethren- descendents of the brother of Isaac. It is consistent.

    “Like Unto Thee”

    I think perhaps one crucial phrase that is used in the verse is when it says “from among their brethren, like unto thee.” (Duet 18:18) God is saying that He will raise up a prophet that is similar to Moses. This is significant because the only great prophets, who came after Moses, were Jesus and Muhammad. However, it does not apply to Jesus because he is not really from the brethren of the Israelites. He is himself an Israelite.

    There are similarities between Moses and Jesus in the sense that they were both Jews and they were both prophets. They both had profound miracles; during their time the rulers had ordered the killing of all male children and so on. But again that contradicts the term ‘brethren’ that has already been explained. Even then, we find that when taken for the sake of argument that Jesus is a possible candidate for this prophecy, you’ll find that there are a great deal more similarities between Prophets Moses and Muhammad than the similarities between prophets Moses and Jesus, may peace and blessings be upon them all.

    First of all, Moses was regarded as a Prophet and Muhammad was also regarded as a Prophet while Jesus (at least by Christians) was regarded as the Son of God. This point, alone, precludes Jesus. Because the prophecy is about a prophet like unto Moses. When Jesus is regarded as God incarnate, or the Son of God then that precludes him; at least this specific prophecy doesn’t apply to him. Like I mentioned last time, there are other prophecies that apply to Jesus but not this one.

    Secondly, in terms of parents, Moses had a normal mother and father and so did Muhammad. Jesus, however, was born only from a mother. In terms of birth, the birth of Moses was normal so was Muhammad’s where as Jesus’ birth was a virgin birth according to both the Muslim and Christian faiths.

    Regarding family life: Moses married and had children so did Muhammad but it’s quite unlikely with Jesus. As far as we know, there are no records of him marrying or having any children.

    In terms of death, Moses and Muhammad both had natural deaths from natural causes; the death of Jesus (according to the Christian faith) was a violent death- nailed to the cross.

    In terms of the emphasis on his mission, we find that Moses’ mission was both spiritual and legal; he brought about a law. So did Muhammad. Jesus’ mission, on the other hand, was spiritual. Actually, he said ‘Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill’ (Mathew 5:17).

    Regarding acceptance of leadership: Moses’ leadership was, for the most part, accepted by his people. They may have given him a hard time but his leadership was accepted during his lifetime. The same is true for Muhammad. Whereas Jesus himself complained that his leadership was not accepted, but was resisted, by the very people he was sent to- the Israelites. He mentions this often.

    In terms of career, we find that Moses had a career both as a prophet and as a governor/ ruler to implement the divine law. Such is the same for Muhammad. In the case of Jesus, his career did not include that authority.

    In terms of battles and encounters with enemies: We find that Moses did encounter his enemies, the Egyptians and they were drowned- he had victory over them. Muhammad did encounter the pagans that tried to destroy him and his followers and he had victory over them in the battlefield. No such event occurs, in terms of physical combat, in the case of Prophet Jesus may peace and blessings be upon him.

    In terms of the mission: We find that the mission of Prophet Moses was completed in a sense that he not only succeeded in his preaching, but also established a new order following those commandments. The same thing is applicable to Muhammad. Before his death, there was already an Islamic community that was victorious over its enemies. In the case of Jesus, we find the opposite is true. The persecution of Christians persisted for many years to come and not until the year 325, when Constantine was said to have embraced Christianity, did the pressures on Christians begin to lighten.

    These points are not the only ones. Another striking similarity is that Moses left Egypt, his birthplace at a time when there was a conspiracy to kill him and he went to Median, to Prophet Jethro. Muhammad, also, left his birthplace, Mecca, on the same night he was to be assassinated and fled to Medina.

    “Put My Words in His Mouth”

    The way the revelation came to Prophet Muhammad was that Angel Gabriel would come to him and dictate to him and then Muhammad would simply recites what was said to him. In other words, Muhammad was not the author of the Qur’an, as many people make this mistake. He is not the author of it, he did not create it, and he was not even using his own intellect and knowledge when he recited the Qur’an.

    He was simply repeating what Gabriel was saying. This is not a hidden secret. It continued for 23 years in the presence of hundreds of followers and that the Qur’an was committed directly to memory in his presence as well as in writing. What could be a more beautiful explanation of the phrase ‘put My words in his mouth’? That God was putting the words in the mouth of Prophet Muhammad; that he was repeating what was exactly dictated to him.

    To make sure that things are put in the proper context let me cite the verse following that one. It says, “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall not hearken unto My words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it of him. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.” (Deut. 18: 19-20) This in the biblical language also means that he shall be put to death.

    This is an interesting point because one of the signs of that foretold prophet is that he will speak in the name of God. That term has been repeated twice in verses 19 and 20. Now, this is an extremely interesting point to comment on for those who are not familiar with the Qur’an. The Qur’an contains 114 chapters called surahs. 113 of these surahs start with “Bismi Allah Al Rahman Al Raheem” which translates to “In the name of God the Beneficent, the merciful.” Virtually every chapter in the Qur’an starts with in the name of God. That’s quite interesting because the prophecy says that he will speak in the name of God, not the authorship of Muhammad that he’s presenting this in the name of God but because God revealed that to him.

    This is interesting because usually the Christian term we normally hear is ‘In the name of the Father,’ or ‘In the name of the Lord,’ or ‘In the name of God,’ but that’s not the name of God. That’s a description. Only the term Allah is the personal name of God. This is corroborating evidence, again, that beautifully and perfectly fits with the terms used in the Book of Deuteronomy.


      • The Prophet Yahweh was speaking about in Deuteronomy 18:18 was Jesus Christ. Seth is trying to claim it was moohamed. But moohamed was nothing but a pedophile rapist/murderer! He was the FILTH that today’s Muslims seem to slobber all over themselves for!

      • Do you have fun preaching hate. ppl like you are one reason I left the church and embraced Islam. The true religion. Thanks for showing your ugliness to the world

      • It isn’t a religion, it’s a FALSE religion, which makes it a cult! allah is SATAN the father of lies! I have said nothing about hate, I have spoken TRUTH! FLEE from Islam – you’re heading to hell if you don’t!

      • I’d say it’s Islam that is showing the ugliness in the world with the killing of Christian children and their parents. The raping of the women and making them sex slaves. Yep it’s a real peaceful religion. NOT!!!

      • How are you failing to understand that such acts aren’t part of the religion. Murder is murder and rape is still rape. How isn’t this clear to you. We have murder and rape here in America. We got a bunch of fools who have taken to the streets in Ferguson. Isis only became our problem after they took the oilfields. Your failing to grasp the bigger picture. And in doing so you are not contributing to any realistic solutions. Instead you become part of a problem when adopting such pessimistic, angry, and hateful views. Such ideas and views are a burden to carry by men and only hinder progress

      • Yes there are murder and rapes but the ones your Muslim friends ISIS are doing,,,,they do in the name of allah. Become a Muslim or die is their chant. Then when they kill and rape they praise allah. Your sick. And don’t bother responding because I really want nothing to do with you.

      • I don’t understand how you talk about the actions of Isis (which all you stated aren’t part of the religion but are considered crimes according to the religion) and then try to project them on me like I have anything to so with it. I’m a hard working American. I know that for some reason you will hate that fact.

      • I don’t hate that you are a hard working American and I don’t hate you. As a Christian I don’t hate. But I don’t trust you. Big difference. You came out here trying to preach your Islam faith to us and why it is the true faith. From all we see Islam has shown nothing but violence against Christians, Gays and Atheists. Perhaps you should read you Quran a little more about where it says it’s ok to kill those that don’t believe in Allah. Then tell me why we should trust you. Fort Hood attack (the first one) by a Muslim in the name of Allah, Oklahoma woman beheaded by a Muslim, Police officers attacked by a Muslim with a Hatchet. I can go on. And yes I know there are other killings but these killings are all done in the name of your allah. Explain why the Muslim communities aren’t marching and standing up against all the killings going on in the name of Allah. Explain why we should trust you.

      • Thanks. I know. I should have put exclamation marks instead of question marks. It was the most ridiculous thing I’ve read,,,wellllll with the exceptions of all of Saith Shine’s postings.

      • he/she/it is trying to defend the indefensible. It claims the violence isn’t Islam, yet the Quran makes it clear that it certainly IS!

      • It should be fairly clear to any rational being that lying to spread a religion is nonsensical. If I lie to you about what Islam is and you convert I haven’t spread Islam because what you have accepted was a lie.

        These constant stream of Islamophobes carping on about how Muslims are allowed to lie to non-Muslims whilst appealing to something called “taqiyyah” (also spelled, “takiya” and “taqiyya”) also end up convincing the average joe non muslim about this myth

        Rather than relying on shoddy hate sites/Christian missionaries to educate us about taqiyyah we shall rely on SCHOLARLY authority – largely in the form of R. Strothmann’s relevant section in “Shorter Encyclopaedia of Islam” (by H.A.R. Gibb and J.H. Kramers) and Cyril Glasse’s Concise Encyclopedia of Islam

        What is “Taqiyyah”, “Takiya”, “Taqiyya”?

        This term is spelt variously; “taqiyyah”, “takiya” or “taqiyya”.

        “Takiya (A.), caution, fear (see glossarium to Tabari S.V. T-K-A) pr kitman, “disguise” is the technical term for dispensation from the requirements of religion under compulsion or threat of injury.” [1]

        “Taqiyyah (From the root word waqa “to safeguard”; “self-protection” and hence “dissimulation [in order to protect oneself]”).” [2]

        So, taqiyyah (takiya, taqiyya) is concerning dissimulation due to force – i.e. when an individual is forced to conceal.

        Sadly, Islamophobes – in order to obtain an unchecked platform and/or demonise Muslims – have misapplied this term in their exaggerated claims of “Muslims are allowed to lie to the unbelievers”.

        At what level of force is Takiya (Taqiyyah, Taqiya) justified?

        “But an individual is not justified in takiya nor bound to hidjra [emigration] if the compulsion remains within the endurable limits, as in the case of temporary imprisonment or flogging which does not result in death” [1]

        So, this make a mockery of the Islamophobes’ general suggestions of “Muslims are allowed to lie to the unbelievers” as even under threat of imprisonment and flogging Muslims are not justified in takiya. The level of force which justifies oneself in takiya is that of an unbearable level.

        Takiya (taqiyya, taqiyyah) and the type of lies…

        One may ask, what type of “disguise” is allowed under takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya)?

        Let’s be clear about takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya); “The principle of dissimulation of one’s religious beliefs in order to avoid persecution or imminent harm, where no useful purpose would be served by publicly affirming them.” [2]

        So takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya) is not used to convert folk to Islam nor is it used in Islamic text books or anything of such a nature. It is simply a form of concealment used to avoid persecution!

        For further clarity, we are not talking about general, everyday fibs here, thus the ethical question of dishonesty is bypassed:

        “The ethical question whether such forced lies are nevertheless lies, such a forced denial of the faith nevertheless a denial, is not put at all by one “who conceal himself” as he is not in a state of confidence which would be broken by lies or denial.” [1]

        Sadly, our Islamophobic counterparts attempt to convince the gullible that takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya) allows Muslims to lie (or conceal) about aspects of their faith (Islam) as well as lie in general.

      • Screw all of your proselytizing. You claimed that Christianity is doing the same things Islam is doing now. Prove it.

      • Does the West care about ISIL’s specific crimes or is it mostly outraged that Muslims are committing them?

        The horrific rampage of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) has captured the world’s attention. Many Western commentators claim that ISIL’s crimes are unique, no longer practiced anywhere else in the civilized world. They argue that the group’s barbarism is intrinsically Islamic, a product of the aggressive and archaic worldview which dominates the Muslim world. The ignorance of these claims is stunning.

        Not only are there other organised groups whose depravity and threat to the United States far surpasses that of ISIL, they fail to engender the same kind of collective indignation and hysteria. This raises the question: Are Americans primarily concerned with ISIL’s specific atrocities or with the fact that it is Muslims who are committing these crimes?

        For example, even as US media establishments and policymakers radically inflate the threat posed by ISIL to the Middle East and United States, most Americans appear to be unaware of the institutional magnitude of Mexican drug cartels, let alone the scale of their atrocities or the threat they pose to the US.

        Cartels versus ISIL

        A recent United Nations report estimated nearly 9,000 civilians have been killed and 17,386 wounded in Iraq in 2014, more than half since ISIL fighters seized large parts of northern Iraq in June. It is likely that the group is responsible for another several thousand deaths in Syria. To be sure, these numbers are staggering. But drug cartels murdered more than 16,000 people in Mexico during 2013 alone, and another 60,000 from 2006 to 2012 – a rate of more than one killing every half hour for the last seven years. Even worse, these casualty estimates are from the Mexican government, which is known to deflate the actual death toll by around 50 percent.

        But the casualties alone do not convey the depravity of the narcos: They carry out hundreds of beheadings every year. Beyond decapitation, they are known to dismember and otherwise mutilate the corpses of their victims – displaying piles of bodies prominently in towns to terrorise the public into compliance.

        The cartels routinely target women and children to further intimidate the communities they occupy. And much like ISIL, the cartels use social media to post pornographic images of their crimes.

        Like ISIL, narcos recruit child soldiers, molding boys as young as 11 into assassins or sending them on suicide missions during armed confrontations with Mexico’s army. They also kidnap tens of thousands of children every year to use as drug mules or prostitutes, or to simply kill and harvest their organs for sale on the black market.

        Those who dare to call for reforms often end up dead. In September, with the apparent assistance of local police, cartels kidnapped and massacred 43 students at a teaching college near the Mexican town of Iguala in response to student protests. A search in the area for the students has uncovered a number of mass graves containing dozens of mutilated bodies burned almost beyond recognition, but none of the remains have been confirmed to be of the students.

        While the Islamic militants have killed a handful of journalists, the cartels murdered as many as 57 since 2006 for reporting on cartel crimes; much of Mexico’s media has been effectively silenced by intimidation or bribes. These censorship activities extend beyond professional media, with narcos tracking down and murdering ordinary citizens whocriticise them on the Internet, leaving their naked and disemboweled corpses hanging in public venues. Yet intellectuals such as Sam Harris appear to be more outraged when Muslims protest or issue threats in response to blasphemous or anti-Muslim hate speech than when cartels murder dozens of journalists and systematically co-opt the media of an entire country.

        Similarly, Westerners across various political spectrums were outraged when ISIL seized 1,500 Yezidi women, committing sexual violence against the captives and using them as slaves. Here again, the cartels’ capture and trafficking of women dwarfs that of ISIL. Additionally, narcos systematically use rape as a weapon of war and hold tens of thousands of Mexican citizens as slaves for their various enterprises.

        Threat to homeland security

        ISIL beheaded two Americans this summer and has warned about executing a third; additionally, one US soldier has died in efforts to combat the militant group. By contrast, from 2007 to 2010 the cartels have killed 293 Americans in Mexico and have repeatedly attacked US consulates in Mexico. While ISIL’s beheadings are no doubt outrageous, the cartels actually tortured, dismembered and then cooked one of the Americans they captured – possibly eating him or feeding him to dogs.

        And the death is not restricted to the Mexican side of the border: from 2006 to 2010 as many as 5,700 Americans were killed in the US by cartel-fueled drug violence. By contrast, 2,937 people were killed in the September 11, 2001 attacks. Over the last decade, some 2,349 Americans were killed in Afghanistan while 4,487 Americansdied during the Iraq war. In four years the cartels have managed to cause the deaths of more Americans than 9/11 or the entire US campaigns in Afghanistan or Iraq.

        The Obama Administration claims ISIL poses a severe threat to US interests and national security. However, the militants were primarily concerned with seizing and holding territory in Iraq and Syria until the US began targeting them. Even now, while they have called for “lone wolves” to carry out attacks on US targets, so far those arrested in connection to ISIL have been trying to go and fight abroad rather than plotting domestic actions. US intelligence officials have asserted that ISIL posesno credible threat to the United States homeland; the same cannot be said of the cartels.

        Narcos have infiltrated at least 3,000 US cities and are recruiting many Americans. Their infrastructure in the US is increasingly sophisticated and robust, with Mexican cartels now controlling more than 80 percent of the total illicit drug trade in the United States, and their top agents deployed to virtually every major metropolitan area. There are no realistic assessments indicating that ISIL could achieve a similar level of penetration within the US.

        Explaining the dissonance

        It is clear that the campaign against ISIL is not driven by the group’s relative threat to the US or the scale or inhumane nature of their atrocities. If these were the primary considerations, the public would be far more terrified of, and outraged by, the narcos. Perhaps the US would be mobilising 50 nations to purge the Sinaloa cartel rather than shielding them from prosecution, helping them polish off their rivals, or even move drugs into the United States – all the while resisting commonsense drug policy reforms that could dramatically undermine the groups.

        Some may attempt to argue that despite the asymmetries, the cartels are less of a threat because ISIL is unified around an ideology which is antithetical to the prevailing international order, while the cartels are concerned primarily with money. This is also false:

        A good deal of the cartel violence is perpetrated ritualistically as part of their religion which is centered, quite literally, on the worship of death. The narcos build and support churches all across Mexico to perpetuate their eschatology. One of the cartels, the Knights Templar (whose name obviously evokes religious warfare), even boasts about its leader’ death and resurrection.

        When cartel members are killed, they are buried in lavish mausoleums, regarded as “martyrs”, and commemorated in popular songs glorifying their exploits in all their brutality. They are viewed by many as heroes resisting an international order which exploits Latin America, as well as the feckless governments which enable it. Their gospel, derived from Catholicism, is making fast inroadsinto the United States and Central America. In short, the cartels have ideological and geopolitical motivations and ambitions whose challenge is no less pronounced than that of ISIL; it may even be worse.

        But unfortunately, the US cannot formulate an effective response to these much more severe threats because the US public is far too busy disparaging Islam, while its military kills Arabs and Muslims abroad. What is fueling the disproportionate reaction to ISIL is Islamophobia, not any empirical realities.

      • [[ Does the West care about ISIL’s specific crimes or is it mostly outraged that Muslims are committing them? ]]

        So in your perverse mind, it’s okay to go after ISIS as long as it is for PC reasons? Why don’t you ask West. I’m sure he has the same POV about the Nazis who were not Muslim.

        How PC are your terrorist brethren when they attack only those who are not like them? Seems to me like your savage heroes have the bigotry problem if you want to entertain this diversionary argument.
        Your other diversion i.e; drug cartels is typical from those of your ilk. You think that the US is ignoring them? Or would you prefer that the US ignore the threat your ISIS pals present? The US can walk and chew gum at the same time. Right now your animals are getting all the attention because they have earned it and they want it. But I thought this was a discussion about Islam. YOU decided to bring up ISIS. As I suspected, you are here to defend ISIS and not to defend the ‘good Muslims’.

        Now here’s the big differences between how the US deals with ISIS v the Mexican drug cartels. The cartels are our problem exclusively whereas your Muslim savages have been an international problem for decades. You can go as far back as the Munich Olympics in 1972 to see what the scum you do dearly genuflect to are all about. Nothing has changed since. While the drug cartels are brutal like your ISIS garbage, the cartels are no different than the Mafia of years ago here. They are protecting their criminal business empire. Your crew? They kill for any reason or no reason. Your religion these days is nothing more than a band of marauding, thin skinned psychopaths who become violently offended at anything that is said about them. They will cut your head off, stone you, cut off your limbs or even kill their own family if you look at them sideways, wear the wrong clothes, worship the wrong god or try to leave the religion. Now prove me wrong Tariq.

      • I never said I sided with isil. I think I presented the opposite. But if you feel other wise I not going to try to convince you.

        Your trying to compare lone wolf attacks by fanatical fringe groups that don’t represent the religion as a whole to US lead military actions.

        UN reports 1.6 million dead in Iraq 500 thousand children since start of US lead war, WMDs found???

        Daisey cutters, vacuum bombs, white phosphorus clouds, and continued drone strikes used on civilian populated areas. Acceptance of civilian loss as ‘part of war”. Islam forbids acceptance of such a thing.

        The bombing of the civilian population of Japan not once but twice by our great Christian nation.

        May God forgive our men of courage for being forced into that.

        The genocide of the Native American ppl promoted by the church
        The mass enslavement, commercialization, and dehumanization of a whole race of ppl on a scale never seen before in history. Promoted by the Church.

        That’s just of the top of my head without my references

      • [[ I never said I sided with isil. I think I presented the opposite ]]

        Then why this comment?

        Does the West care about ISIL’s specific crimes or is it mostly outraged that Muslims are committing them?

        [[ Your trying to compare lone wolf attacks by fanatical fringe groups that don’t represent the religion as a whole to US lead military actions ]]

        So ISIS is committing ‘lone wolf attacks’? Where the hell have you been?

        [[ UN reports 1.6 million dead in Iraq 500 thousand children since start of US lead war, WMDs found ]]

        This has what to do with going after your ISIS pals? And how many of those killed are at the hands of your psycho buddies?

        The rest of your rant underlines my point about you. You and your Muslim psychos hate America and wish to kill Americans. Hopefully we will kill all of you first.

      • You can try to twist my words what every way you want. They are my words and opinions and your not gonna convince me that I mean something which I do not. Your also not going to convince me that I hate a country that I was born and raised in, that my ancestor were born and raised in., and their ancestors. All the way back until the 1700s when after that for some strange reason the names are blacked out.

        Isil are not my buddies, those are your words not mine. I am free from any act they commit as well as the religion is free from such. Their acts are neither sanctioned by the religion nor allowed and permitted. Further you have no bases to argue on the religious Islamic knowledge. You have no knowledge of Islam as a religion. All you have are the actions of misguided individuals and deviant misguided groups that claim Islam as there religion.
        Bearing the later point in mind I could understand why you would come to the harsh and vary un- American un-Christian idea” Hopefully we will kill all of you first.”

      • [[ You can try to twist my words what every way you want ]]

        No one twisted anything pal. You pathetically equate American wars with your brothers beheading children. Anyone can see that.

        [[ Isil are not my buddies, those are your words not mine ]]

        Yet when I attack them, you disgustingly respond with crap like the Viet Nam War as an equivalent.

        [[ You have no knowledge of Islam as a religion. All you have are the actions of misguided individuals and deviant misguided groups that claim Islam as there religion ]]

        Yes! And sadly, that number is in the hundreds of millions. And it makes no difference that 700,000,000 are not radicalized terrorists. Around 300,000,000 of them are. And that casts a pall over the whole religion deservedly so.

        [[ Bearing the later point in mind I could understand why you would come to the harsh and vary un- American un-Christian idea” Hopefully we will kill all of you first.” ]]

        As you CONveniently ignore the 300,000,000 Muslims that want to kill all of us. Typical.

      • If you and your people don’t stand with ISIS then why are you and your people protesting the outrage of the slaughter they are doing to Christians and some Muslims? You only speak up here.

      • The principle of Al-Takeyya

        The Arabic word, “Takeyya”, means “to prevent,” or guard
        against. The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are
        permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one’s self
        or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under
        circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the
        faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the
        following Quranic verse:

        “Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers
        rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from
        Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard
        yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions
        you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.” Surah 3: 28

        According to this verse a Muslim can pretend to befriend infidels (in
        violation of the teachings of Islam) and display adherence with their unbelief
        to prevent them from harming him.

      • You are obviously lying yourself in all your comments; you use quotes
        from old suras that have been abrogated by newer more violent ones. You
        know very well that you are attempting to deceive non-muslims who are
        naive enough to believe that you want peace among the peoples of the
        earth. You know very well that for muslims, “peace” will be achieved
        only when all the non-muslims are killed or enslaved and the world is
        claimed for allah. You know that the jihad being waged by muslims all
        over the world is attempting to bring this about. As for your lying and
        that of other muslims, it is merely part of jihad. You claim that you
        are threatened by non-muslims, which is absurd since it is muslims who
        are the aggressors agains innocent people, so you employ takeyya. You
        may be interested in this, written by an ex-muslim who will not use his
        real name, as his life is threatened by you “peaceful” muslims for
        renouncing your cult:

      • The abrogation of Quranic verses, arguably the greatest lie against the Quran, was originally invented during the fourth century A.H. (late 10th century A.D.) by some Muslim scholars notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq Al-Dinary (died 318 A.H.), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject.

        According to this concept, it is claimed that some verses in the Quran are abrogated and invalidated by other verses!

        The verse that is the abrogator they call (Al-Nasekh) while the abrogated verse they call (Al-Mansoukh).

        These scholars have come up with hundreds of cases of abrogated verses to the extent that they have formulated a whole science of the subject filling lengthy books and references.

        Although the concept was originally invented by Muslim scholars as a result of their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it has been widely exploited by anti-Quranic writers to tarnish the perfection and divinity of the book.

        Abrogations or Contradictions?

        As mentioned, the abrogation concept implies that some Quranic verses have been abrogated by other verses. On the other hand, the anti-Quranic writers claim that these cases, and other cases they put forward, are in fact contradictions inside the Quran. Consequently, they use these cases as evidence to refute the divinity of the Quran.

        It is noted that the examples used by Muslim scholars as ‘abrogated verses’ are not always the verses used by non-Muslim writers and which they simply refer to as ‘contradictions in the Quran’.

        Although it can be said that the common aspect shared by the two groups is their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it can also be added that in the case of the non-Muslim writers, and particularly those who do not speak Arabic, we often find many of their claims for contradictions to be a product of their acquisition of inaccurate and misleading translations of the Quran.

        Both of these types of false claims can be dealt with in the light of the Quran. It can be demonstrated that these claims are no more than cases of poor understanding of the book.

      • You, and other muslim apologists, are a joke. Your words say one thing, while your actions say the opposite. There is no need to waste time disputing islam; what purpose does it serve? All anyone has to do is to open his eyes and see what muslims are doing all over the world. Ask the Swedes how their tolerance for islam is working out for them. Enough said.

      • That sucks. You would leave 3 small children without a dad and a (Christian) wife without her husband? You should join isis . they need ppl like you

      • I believe you are sick in the head. Take your hatred and go away. Take your preaching of your religion and go away. We don’t hate you BUT we don’t trust you. You are out here just causing trouble. Go to your Muslim friends and leave the rest of us alone. We are not interested in your preaching nor do we believe in your Allah the false God. BUT what we Christians do believe in is the “True” God and in Jesus Christ our Savior who died on the cross for our sins. We believe in the 2nd coming. There are some religions that believe Jesus hasn’t come yet but will be coming. We all stand together. I stand with my God and I stand with ISRAEL.

      • Reminds of the guy in Oklahoma who preached at work and then went out and killed. What bothers me about this guy is he is not giving up.

      • That’s partly because not enough people are flagging him. He seems to be ignorant of the fact that MOST Americans simply don’t want Muslims living in this country. They do nothing but spread destruction.

      • And he is on an Allen West site. lol If there are good Muslims you sure don’t here from them about what is going on is Iraq and the other countries. I don’t hate them BUT I don’t trust them. Look at Israel,,,they march in our streets against Israel because they send the bombs right back to Hamas. They scream in our streets death to all Jews. This guy needs to study up on Muhammed. God sent Gabriel to Muhammed to write the Quran…Funny God talked to Moses so if he wanted to be named Allah then God would have talked to Muhammed. He says he knows the Bible then maybe he should remember what it says in Ezekiel 38. He’s preached to a bunch of people out here. All I’ve heard about the Muslims is the hatred they spread. It’s funny also the Quran mentions the Bible in it. I better get going. You stay say and yes I have one that I carry also. God be with you. We’ll meet again out here.

      • I’m not the one preaching hatred. I will continue to speak out and im sorry if that offends you. Enjoy your Mithraism.

      • We know that ALL Muslims are born and bred with hate. They’re taught hate as soon as they understand language. I have a friend in Canada who says that the Muslims there cross to the other side of the street when they see non-Muslims. One told her they weren’t allowed to have non-Muslim friends. They are TOTALITARIANS who tolerate NO ONE who believes differently than they. And BECAUSE of that, I have a license to carry concealed – and I do. Wherever I go.

      • I am not an “apologists”. I preach Islam plain and simple. If I see something said about Islam that I don’t agree with, weather from Islamic sources or other, I speak out against it. These action Allah states in Qur’an are a great benefit and good. I find this to be true. Although I find a lot of hatred I also do find rational thinking people Muslim and non sharing ideas and thoughts and learning. not just throwing emotions at each other.

      • [“Your words say one thing, while your actions say the opposite”.]

        I find this offensive because I feel it is a personal attack. I feel you’re trying to force the actions of these fanatical fring groups on to me when you have no idea who I am. I’m a hardworking American. I pay my taxes . I served in the us army from 2006 to 2009 as an infantry men. I also have a rich a deep rooted American background.

        I feel your statement is unfair.

      • One of the reasons that I don’t believe that islam is peaceful, apart from knowing that islam is the house of peace and the rest of us are the house of war, and from observing that the actions of muslims today are no different than they have been since the time of mohammad, is that if what you say were true, if islam were such an enlightened religion, then instead of killing, raping, mutilating, and enslaving non-believers everywhere, muslims would be decrying the actions of these “fanatical fringe groups”. The imams would be preaching that what ISIS for example, or Hamas, or any of the other “fringe groups” are doing is a terrible abomination to allah. However, this is not happening. Instead, the imams are preaching hate in their mosques, and “radicalizing” American blacks, while muslims are streaming to the Middle East to participate in the carnage against Christians and other non-muslims. Why is this the case? Because these so-called “fanatics” are not fanatics at all. They are simply obeying their koran and their imams, and following mohammad’s example. Violence, cruelty and hatred are not abominations in islam – they are an integral part of the cult. You can read it in the koran and the hadiths, or you can simply read your history books or your daily papers to see that this is the case. Islam is the inverse of Christianity. Jesus taught us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Mohammad taught his followers to kill and enslave non-muslims. His followers are still following his example today. So, if you truly want to follow the religion of peace, I suggest you look into Christianity. Christians are not perfect; we are all sinners. The difference is that our religion does not teach us to sin.

      • 90. And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. 191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid Al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. 192. But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and the religion (all and every kind of worship) is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimin (the polytheists and wrongdoers).

        The Command to fight Those Who fight Muslims and killing Them wherever They are found

        Abu Ja`far Ar-Razi said that Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that Abu Al-`Aliyah commented on what Allah said:

        (And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you,)

        Abu Al-`Aliyah said, “This was the first Ayah about fighting that was revealed in Al-Madinah. Ever since it was revealed, Allah’s Messenger used to fight only those who fought him and avoid non-combatants. Later, Surat Bara’ah (chapter 9 in the Qur’an) was revealed.” `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam said similarly, then he said that this was later abrogated by the Ayah:

        (then kill them wherever you find them) (9:5).

        However, this statement is not plausible, because Allah’s statement:

        (…those who fight you) applies only to fighting the enemies who are engaged in fighting Islam and its people. So the Ayah means, `Fight those who fight you’, just as Allah said (in another Ayah):

        (…and fight against the Mushrikin collectively as they fight against you collectively.) (9:36)

        This is why Allah said later in the Ayah:

        (And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.) meaning, `Your energy should be spent on fighting them, just as their energy is spent on fighting you, and on expelling them from the areas from which they have expelled you, as a law of equality in punishment.’

        The Prohibition of mutilating the Dead and stealing from the captured Goods

        Allah said:

        (but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.)

        This Ayah means, `Fight for the sake of Allah and do not be transgressors,’ such as, by committing prohibitions. Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah), “includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit.” This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others. Muslim recorded in his Sahih that Buraydah narrated that Allah’s Messenger said:

        (Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal (from the captured goods), commit treachery, mutilate (the dead), or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship.)

        It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, “A woman was found dead during one of the Prophet’s battles and the Prophet then forbade killing women and children. ” There are many other Hadiths on this subject.

        Fighting in the Sacred Area is prohibited, except in Self-Defense

        Allah statement

        (And fight not with them at Al-Masjid Al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah))

        It is reported in the Two Sahihs that the Prophet said:

        (Allah has made this city a sanctuary since the day He created the heavens and the earth. So, it is a sanctuary by Allah’s decree till the Day of Resurrection. Fighting in it was made legal for me only for an hour in the daytime. So, it (i.e., Makkah) is a sanctuary, by Allah’s decree, from now on until the Day of Resurrection. Its trees should not be cut, and its grass should not be uprooted. If anyone mentions the fighting in it that occurred by Allah’s Messenger, then say that Allah allowed His Messenger, but did not allow you.)

        In this Hadith, Allah’s Messenger mentions fighting the people of Makkah when he conquered it by force, leading to some deaths among the polytheists in the area of the Khandamah. This occurred after the Prophet proclaimed:

        (Whoever closed his door is safe. Whoever entered the (Sacred) Mosque is safe. Whoever entered the house of Abu Sufyan is also safe.)

        Allah said:

        (…unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.)

        Allah states: `Do not fight them in the area of the Sacred Mosque unless they start fighting you in it. In this case, you are allowed to fight them and kill them to stop their aggression.’ Hence, Allah’s Messenger took the pledge from his Companions under the tree (in the area of Al-Hudaybiyyah) to fight (the polytheists), after the tribes of Quraysh and their allies, Thaqif and other groups, collaborated against the Muslims (to stop them from entering Makkah to visit the Sacred House). Then, Allah stopped the fighting before it started between them and said:

        (And He it is Who has withheld their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of Makkah, after He had made you victors over them.) (48:24) and:

        (Had there not been believing men and believing women whom you did not know, that you may kill them and on whose account a sin would have been committed by you without (your) knowledge, that Allah might bring into His mercy whom He wills ـ if they (the believers and the disbelievers) had been apart, We verily, would have punished those of them who disbelieved with painful torment.) (48:25)

        Allah’s statement:

        (But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.) which means, `If they (polytheists) cease fighting you in the Sacred Area, and come to Islam and repent, then

        The Order to fight until there is no more Fitnah

        Allah then commanded fighting the disbelievers when He said:

        (…until there is no more Fitnah)

        Allah’s statement:

        (But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against the wrongdoers.) indicates that, `If they stop their fighting the believers, then cease warfare against them. Whoever fights them afterwards will be committing an injustice. Verily aggression can only be started against the unjust.’ This is the meaning of Mujahid’s statement that only combatants should be fought. Allah said:

        (Then whoever transgresses against you, you transgress likewise against him.) (2:194)

        Similarly, Allah said

        (The recompense for an evil is an evil like thereof.) (42:40), and:

        (And if you punish them, then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. ) (16:126)

      • I will not waste time with you. Your peaceful statements are not congruent with the actions of muslims all over the world. Either they are wrong, or you are wrong. Perhaps they don’t know their religion as well as you claim to know it. Open your eyes. If you are truly deluded, just read your paper. If not, you are merely another lying muslim trying to pull the wool over the eyes of gullible non-muslims.

      • I am only one person. All I can do is educate myself as pass it on.

        The ProphetProphet Muhammad said;

        If you see an injustice you should modifie it with your hands.

        If you can’t do that, then speak out against it.

        If you can’t speak out against it, then hate the injustice in your heart, and that is the least of faith.

        I preach Islam and I ask no reward fron you or any person. My reward is with my Creator alone. So Lying is of no benefit ot me. If I lie to spread the religion then I’m spreading lies not the religion
        Further i am just a person like any person. I error just as much as any persons would.

      • I don’t know about you, Andy, but I believe this idiot needs to be deleted! I hope you’ve been flagging it’s posts!

      • Thanks but no. I’d rather slap the stupidity off his ISIS face instead. Look at how the little terrorist likes his own posts now.

      • Except our God is alive, and our country was built on His word. It takes more faith to not beleive in God than to beleive. Your very existence is proof God is alive.

      • It is Allah Who has made for you the earth as a resting place, and the sky as a canopy, and has given you shapes, and made your shape beautiful― and has provided for you Sustenance, Of things pure and good― such is Allah your Lord. So Glory to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!

        He is the living (One): There is no god but He: Call upon Him giving Him sincere devotion. Praise be to Allah Lord of the Worlds!

        Say: “I have been forbidden to invoke those whom ye invoke besides Allah― seeing that the Clear Signs have come to me from my Lord: and I have been commanded to submit (in Islam) to the Lord of the Worlds.”

        It is He (Allah) Who has created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does He get you out (into the light) as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength; then
        lets you become old― though of you there are some who die before;― and lets you reach a Term appointed: in order that ye may learn wisdom.

        It is He Who gives Life and Death; and when He decides upon an affair, He says to it “Be” and it is.

        Quran 40:64-68

      • Just a problem with that, your God is dead mine is surely alive. He arose from the grave and now sits at the right hand of the Father. My God is a just God of righteousness that hates sin, but gave us repentance by sacrificing His Son Jesus Christ to cover our sins with His blood so we maybe forgiven, your God is a delusional massive murderer, that you say orders you to kill non believer’s my God says love the non beleiver and show them the way if they decide not to beleive that is between them and God I am not their judge, so what gives you the right to kill!!

      • Proof is I wake up every morning to enjoy the day the Lord has made, and all that is in it. I have faith in Christ and all that he stands for. Also proof is in his word when Mary went to the tomb and it was empty because Jesus was risen after 3 days, numerous of Jesus’ followers witnessed this and his deciple Thomas even touch his wounds from the crucifixion. So I beleive in Gods word and the numerous accounts of people that witnessed his resurrection.

      • Correct they didn’t witness the resurrection, because he was shut in a tomb, dead. They witnessed after he arose from death and the angel told Mary he is not here he is risen.

      • Christ was the alpha and the omega. No proof to you. It is YOU that must prove and you can’t. Your prophet is false and you have been deceived. Jesus said none would come after him and that includes your mohammed. Don’t be a fool.

      • Praise and glory to Allah who is Self Existent while all things ( other than His essence and attributes) receive their existence from Him.They have need of Him for their origination and continuation while He is in need of NOTHING.

        HE is ONE; in His essence, His attributes, and His ACTS. He but says BE and it will BE.
        No one has partnership with Him in any matter. His existing and His living are not of the same category as the existing and living of created things. His acts and his attributes, like his essence are both without mode and WITHOUT COMPARE. For example the attribute of knowledge as possessed by the Almighty is an eternal attribute. It is a non composite, active awareness such that every piece of information from the beginning to the end of time, alone with its similar and contrary states, in whole and in part, is known to Him all at once. In similar manner His speech is a non composit speech the particular of which are the revealed books.

        CreaTion is an attribute especially of his own. What is the merely contingent that it should be able to create another contingent??? Contingents, whether they be accidents, substance or voluntary acts of mankind are entirely of HIS CREATION. He has veiled His acts with cause and means yet at the same time theses are proof that everything is of His doing.

        It is the will of Allah that whenever one of His servants makes an intention to preform a certain act, that he creates that act and brings it in to existence. On the basis of this semblance of will and power the individual is called an earner, and it is on this basis that he is praised or criticized, rewarded or punished.

        Allah most high is above bodily incarnation and likewise there is nothing capable of becoming incarnated in Him.

        Allah most high encompasses all things and is in the company of and is close to everything that exists by an encompassing, accompanying and closeness of His own. Not the sort that we can comprehend in OUR LIMITED MINDS.

        The Almighty is above what ever vision the people have of Him. Because His essence can’t be witnessed. Thus it is essential to have faith in the unseen.

        Then it is my belief that the Almighty encompasses all things and that He indeed close by even though we DO NOT comprehend the full significance of these terms. Similarly the Almighty sitting on the throne and His presence in the heart of every believer should not be understood in it literal context. We should simply have faith in these things in order to protect our selfs from believing to be true what is not. Mans lot in these matters and that of the Angels as well is no more than ignorance and confusion. To deny any revealed text is Disbelief period and to try to explain it is compound ignorance.

        “Those at the Lords court acknowledged as seers, Venture on further than to say HE IS.

      • BS!!! Allah made nothing. He is a false God made up by a false prophet name Mohammed who was nothing but a killer.

      • You prove your Allah is the real God. You’re the one out here spewing your lies to the rest of us. It’s Satan you worship.

      • You spew the words from the quran that came from the words of a false prophet demonized by satan. You already know this, from muslim sources, not enemies of islam, but muslim source. And no they were not heretics. They told the truth. IT IS YOU WHO ARGUES – just stop, we don’t want to be deceived mohammedeans like you. GOD does not change his mind. Jesus the Christ was the alpha and the omega. There is no place in there for your mohammed. Islam says He did if we are to believe you, and we don’t, so stop trying. It is nothing but satan trying to destroy what God made. Islam destroys you.

      • Your false prophet spoke the words satan put in his mouth.

        Your own quran says so – and you know it. Stop asking people to prove anything to you. Christianity came first, islam was just a false prophet that copied. IT IS YOU THAT MUST PROVE NOT US!!!!

      • It never has been, Seth. Because I’m Messianic Jew. It’s a known religion … the first Christians were Jews. But YOU have been taken in by a false religion, no doubt brainwashed from the time you learned to talk. FLEE from it because you’re hell-bound!

      • THE JEWISH TALMUD is “Holy Writ” for the Jews.

        The Talmud supercedes the Old Testament in authority for the Jews. And the Talmud is the most racist, hate-mongering , blasphemous book the world has ever known.

        The Talmud was written in Hebrew between the 3rd & 6th Centuries as a codification of the so-called Oral Law that the Jewish rabbis claim was handed down from Moses.


        * “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)

        * “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)

        * “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

        * What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

        * “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)

        * “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)

        * “Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)


        * “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)

        * “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)

        * “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)

        * “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)

        * “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)


        * “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)

        [’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]

        * Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)

        * “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)

        * “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)

        * “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)

        * “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a

      • The Talmud is oral tradition, not God’s Word or His Covenant. Please don’t preach to me, you’ll never know what I believe or the God I worship. Your master is Satan!

      • God does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who have neither fought against your faith nor driven you out of your homes. In fact God loves the equitable.” Qur’an:60:8

        “And in their (the earlier prophets) footsteps We sent Jesus the son o Mary, confirming the law that had come before him. We sent him the Gospel, therein was guidance and light and confirmation of the law that had come before him, a guidance and an admonition to those who fear God.” Qur’an:5:46

        “Whoever recommends and helps a good cause becomes a partner therein, and whoever recommends and helps an evil cause shares in its burdens” Qur’an:4:85

        “Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden (paradise) whose width is that of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous – Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity or in adversity, who restrain (their) anger and pardon (all) men – for God loves those who do good.” Qur’an:3:133-134
        “Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has faith, verily, to them will We give a new Life, a life that is good and pure, and We will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions.” Qur’an:16:97

        The parable of those who spend their wealth in the way of God is that of a grain that sprouts into seven ears, each bearing one hundred grains. God gives manifold increase to whom He wishes. God has boundless knowledge. Those who spend their wealth in the cause of God, and do not follow their charity with reminders of their generosity or injure the feeling of the recipient, shall get their reward from their Lord; they shall have nothing to fear or to regret.Kind words and forgiveness are better than charity followed by injury. Qur’an:2:261-263

      • My friends, family and I have a quran burning party every summer! It’s GREAT fun! We roast hotdogs over the flames! 🙂

      • Your words of hate aren’t benefitting anyone including your can’t be at peace with your religion if you speak such words with easy.

      • That’s just it, you don’t know the difference between hate and love, you’re STUCK in hate! I love having our quran burning parties! You would too if you were human!

        WAKE UP, little girl! You’re heading towards hell and the ONLY One who can save you is Yeshua HaMashiach! (Jesus Christ)

      • Oh you sassy lady. I love it. There is but one God and it sure is not their allah the false God made up by a “False Prophet”.

      • What color Kool-Aide do you prefer Saith? I have to admit, Flower is a
        bit on the tough side but she truly sees you as Satan and Satan is not
        one to be spoken with gently. I am sure you are not Satan,
        unfortunately I am sure Satan has deceived you most likely based on the
        quality of Christian upbringing you had as a child. Too much legalism
        spoils the understanding of “Grace”, grace being the most important word in the history of language.
        I hope you reconsider your position regarding what God you decide to worship, eternity is one hell of a long time.
        God bless,

      • Exactly, Flyercrazy. We are to REBUKE Satan. That is what I’ve attempted to do with the little Seth girl. She was steeped in evil from early childhood. It’s tragic, but fact. And, FYI, we are NOT to bless those who worship Satan!

      • I understand Flower. Had it not been for Grace neither one of us would be arguing against Satan and believe it or not you worshiped Satan prior to becoming a Messianic Jew. God is a God of grace, allow him to do his work, none of us are worthy

      • My Jewish parents raised me to be a Christian and I remained a Christian until I saw Jim Staley’s video – Truth or Tradition. At that time, I realized I had been wrong in not keeping the Lord’s Feasts and Sabbaths, so I returned to the Hebrew roots of Christianity and my own Jewishness. Many Messianics have come out of Christianity after realizing the same things I did. My heart was pierced when I read Yeshua’s words, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” He lived and taught Torah, so it meant I hadn’t been keeping His Torah all those years. I ached in knowing I had hurt my Messiah! But no, I never worshipped Satan, I simply didn’t know HOW to worship during all those years. Essentially, I was born again – AGAIN. 🙂

      • We are all born in sin, original sin, thanks be to satan. The only way through this is by Christ. Islam denies our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Islam is an abomination. We must know Jesus to find salvation. Be blessed in Him.

      • Yes Jim, we do not take satan lightly. We are to be against all evil at all times as God is. There is no grace in islam only hell. Islam is the biggest success satan has had on all of humanity.

      • Wake the hell up, you ignorant fool! You have more complaints than you can deal with! Not one person has agreed with you on this board!

      • The only complaint you will have will be to Jesus and he will know that you turned away from him and denied him. That will be one huge complaint that you will have that will not be relieved in your favor I am afraid. So be it Seth. Just stop talking. We have all heard of this from your types before.

      • So are you one that does not know or does not care Seth?

        If you know, know this, it is not you the hate is for but it is for islam.

        If you don’t care then to hell with you, as you know better and are just another reprobated mind, and we just can’t concern ourselves over you, poor soul.

        The true God gives you free will over to yourself. You walk with satan in islam. God knows you have turned away from him and it will be hell you know I regret to tell you.

      • the Satanic Verses is all the proof we need – albeit mohammed gave us all so very much more to work with to SEE from the historical record he was no prophet – letting satan put words on your tongue speaking of other gods really ruined his image. There’s really no fixing that up LOL, try as you might. Those muslim scholar types back then were not heretics, they were truthful. The life of mohammed is proof enough.

        You know his life was crap to the world – stop with the denial of it all Seth.

      • elle, PLEASE flag every one of Seth’s posts! The moderators need to know it is spewing it’s ugly cult on Col. West’s board!

      • We know well what islam is and don’t need him to explain anything to us LOL! We have every right to tell the truth about it.

        And we have every right to flag pages and pages of quran verse that he cuts and pastes into this blog. There really is a limit to posting dozens and dozens of verses from the quran before it crosses the line into recruitment and proselytizing for islam.

        If he wants to preach islam he can go somewhere else.

      • Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
        Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing
        and rightdoing there is a field.
        I’ll meet you there.
        When the soul lies down in that grass
        the world is too full to talk about.
        Stop acting so small. You are the universe in ecstatic motion.

      • You’re so full of crap you’re unable to even KNOW how to think!

        MY job is to follow my Messiah, and I DO.

        I couldn’t care less how you think I act, I don’t live to please you, I live to please my Heavenly Father!

        That being said, I’ll tell you nicely to please stop responding to me and consider accepting Yeshua as your Savior. If you don’t, you’ll spend eternity in hell – and you will remember my suggestion to you about Him.

      • If your the example for ppl from your religion than I’ll pass. Your character is ugly. God don’t like ugly

      • You are disgusting trying to tell anyone, much less a Messianic Jew, what their task is in life. Just who do you think you are Seth (Saith) Shine?

      • We know that we are to hate evil and to fight against it. Islam is evil because it comes from satan. I’m so sorry for this, but it is truth. We cannot love something that came from satan. How can you?

      • Yes, you DO have complaints! What the hell do you think everyone has said to you on this comment thread?! EVERYONE thinks you belong to Satan! That’s a complaint! Try to understand that!

      • The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “Do you know who will go first on the Day of Resurrection to the shade of God…Those who when given what is right accept it, when asked for something give freely and who judge in favor of others as they do for themselves.” Al-Tirmidhi:1042

        The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “The best charity is that given to a relative who does not like you.” Fiqh-us-Sunnah:V3N100

        The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “A man has sinned enough if he neglects to feed those in need.” Fiqh-us-Sunnah:V3N100

        The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “Religion is very easy, and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded.” Bukhari:V1N38

        The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “O God, grant me life as a poor man, cause me to die as a poor man and resurrect me in the company of the poor..” His wife asked him why he said that, and he replied: “Because (the poor) will enter Paradise (before) the rich. Do not turn away a poor man…even if all you can give is half a date. If you love the poor and bring them near you..God will bring you near Him on the Day of Resurrection.” Al-Tirmidhi:1376

      • Flower, Jew, Christian or Muslim they are all religions and they are all he reasons that the world is such a crazy place. one kills the other because his religion is better than the other

      • Really, Muky? Do Jews or Christians kill others “because his religion is better that[sic] the other” ?? Do they?? NO! They do not! Only Muslims kill. Islam isn’t a religion, it’s a culture of death! God said, “CHOOSE LIFE!”

        Apparently you’re atheist. Your choice, I don’t care, but you don’t have a clue about Christianity or Judaism. Nor do you apparently understand Islam.

      • “Do Jews or Christians kill others “because his religion is better that[sic] the other” ?? Do they??”

        Yes they do. But more important is the fact that Christians have disregarded the bible and have adopted the ideology of secularism. Under this system the government it self becomes the god head. Doing as it wishes. Enforcing its policies on peoples when and where it what’s.

        The civilian death tolls according to the UN from the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns are insane and unacceptable. Not to mention the continued use of drone strikes killing civilians, as well as supplying of weapons, training and equipmente to further causing chaos to make its peoples submit to its ideology (the religion of secularism). Exploiting them and their land of its natural resources.

        Say: “I have been forbidden to invoke those whom ye invoke besides Allah― seeing that the Clear Signs have come to me from my Lord: and I have been commanded to submit (in Islam) to the Lord of the Worlds.”

      • Yes, you DO! You belong to the culture of death, you freaking moron! Patriotic Americans ARE complaining about your filth! Go live in Iran where you belong!

      • I have Native American ancestry and I served in the Army from 05 to 09. Why should I go to Iran. Iran is shia by the way

      • That’s right – it’s all about the quran. Maybe that’s why he really has not said how horrible it is what happened to this Christian family in this article. As usual, just wants to talk about how awesome islam is LOL! POS

      • I addressed the couple that got burned.I don’t care if their Christian. I see them as people. Its a horrible thinkthing that happened

      • Learn about your so called religion on your own. I’m not your teacher lazy sloth.

        Since this entire feed was started on exactly that topic, blasphemy laws in Pakistan and the Christian family murdered because of them, just when were you going to get around to reading the actual article?

        Article 295-B of the Pakistan Penal Code – google it yourself or remain ignorant about your “coreligionists” in Pakistan.

      • Really Seth, so you say the same could be said? Where do you think your “religion” came from? Islam is the biggest case of plagiarism the world has ever known. If you say Christianity is not valid and the Jewish faith is not valid, then you only admit that yours is not valid because that is where mohammed got it all from. He brought NOTHING NEW TO THE WORLD WITH HIS SO CALLED REVELATIONS LOL!

      • Thank you for showing the world that you are mentally ill. We knew it, of course, but you have exposed yourself quite well. Your entire nakedness is showing.

  7. This Allen West article talks about the full text of a letter by Catholic League President Donahue but the link only takes me right back to this article. Does anyone know where this letter appeared so I can read it?

    • It is unthinkable in this world in this time that a Christian family would be burned alive. Pakistan is Islam and Islam is the blasphemy law that will burn Christians alive. There are no words for this. I am speechless. Our POTUS will not say a word about it. It is beyond appalling that he does not condemn Pakistan.

  8. Bill Donohue quotes a letter by Dr. Nazir Bhatti, president of the Pakistan Christian Congress, who wrote to Obama two days earlier (the 9th), addressing Obama as “your honor” and saying:

    “It is surprising that neither the U.S. Administration under your honor nor
    U.S. State Department bothered to condemn this horrific crime of
    burning alive of [a] Christian couple in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan,
    which is receiving billions of dollars in aid from U.S. taxpayers.

    “I would appeal your honor to put pressure on the Islamic Republic of
    Pakistan to end misuse of blasphemy laws against Christian, Ahamadia
    and other religious minorities and make any further U.S. aid to Pakistan
    conditional on that country’s human rights and repeal of blasphemy laws.”

  9. remove all muslim from this country they that believe that the Quran and it stupid writing and laws and the Bible was wrote by HOLY MEN of OLD MOVE ON BY GOD TO WRITE AND NOT BY MEN WHO ARE DEAD AND GOD IS STILL ALIVE AND WILL LIVE FOREVER AMEN

    • Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

      You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
      Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
      Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
      Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
      Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
      Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
      Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
      Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

      Ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free inquiry nor socialize with non Christians:

      Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10
      Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17
      Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8

      Judge other religions for not following Christ:

      Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22
      Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19
      The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7
      Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12
      False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9

      Here are my two personal favorites:

      Everyone will have to worship Jesus — whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10
      A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33

      • You continue to preach ignorance, while standing behind the false god of Islam. People are aware you’re here and know you have nothing to offer.

      • Exactly….hey I noticed I can’t “reply” to this bonehead. Big difference with the OT being under a theocracy with the Arc of the Covenant being there and active plus dealing with non Hebrew peoples who would sacrifice babies and toddlers to Baal by burning them on a bronze statue. He ignores and fails to mention that Jesus was the fullfillment of the law. He takes the Bible WAY out of context……typical.

  10. Thank you Colonel West. Evil is evil, and this type of barbarism is evil. You know as well as I what the only remedy is for this kind of evil: extermination! Fanatics cannot be persuaded by reason. As soldiers in the US military, we ARE called upon to defend those who cannot defend themselves. That hasn’t always been the case, as you know, but it has always been the ideal and the difference between Americans and many other countries.

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