Jihad in our midst: we are “willfully stupid” if we ignore it [VIDEO]

As you know, I’ve conducted my own research and study in the history of Islam and its effects upon the world. However, I came across this video from a very astute gentleman named David Wood, who encapsulates some 1400 years of history and crystallizes it so beautifully.

I sincerely hope you’ll take the time to watch this video — and I bet you’ll watch it more than once. You can also download and print this handy leaflet, which explains the three stages of jihad. Please share it generously!

Using the backdrop of President Barack Hussein Obama’s 2009 speeches at the Turkish General Assembly and at Cairo University — where Obama demanded Muslim Brotherhood members be seated in the front center two rows – Wood explains the three stages of jihad.

http://youtu.be/9rjdO4cfeEg

Those three stages of jihad historically correspond with the three stages of Islam — Stealth (Mecca I, 612-622 AD), Defensive (Medina, 622-628 AD), and Offensive (Mecca II, 628 – Today). Wood is meticulous in comparing history to the modern actions we see being promulgated today and uses Islamic doctrine as stated in the Quran, Hadiths, and Sunnah to explain his analysis. It’s the most thorough and concise assessment and presentation, and it should be shared widely. Only then can we all be a part of Operation Monkey Wrench.

I already know what the detractors will be saying, but then again David Wood does an exceptional job explaining from whence those comments emanate as part of the three stages. Finally, I recommend you pass this video onto your respective elected political officials and ask them to stop allowing the infiltration to occur here in our America — such as how Qatar, the funder and sponsor of Islamic terrorists has provided millions of dollars influencing policy through the Brookings Institute.

This is the type of education and information that cultural jihadist organizations such as the Council for Islamic Relations (CAIR) do not want disseminated. As we’ve reported, they’re trying hard to purge training materials at the FBI, DoD, and local law enforcement. We cannot allow them to censor the truth from us.

Mr. Wood, if this post gets back to you, hat tip for this exceptional video and your efforts — and watch yer six brother!

438 COMMENTS

  1. The video seems to have been removed. The first time I opened the link I could see the video, but the page refreshed on its own before I could click on it and now the video doesn’t come up when I open the page. A couple of people have put links in their comments but when I follow those the video is still missing.

    • Here’s the long way to get there:
      ► David Wood’s YouTube channel is titled “Acts17Apologetics”
      ► The title of this video is “Three Stages of Jihad”
      ► This video was uploaded to YouTube on Jan 1, 2012

  2. It is not the Muslim religion that I have a problem with after all there are many religions out there that are different from what I believe in. It is the only one that I know of that calls for me to be killed. They are as ISIS is showing the world their uncivilized tribal type of slaughter and enslaving anyone outside of their tribe. As a civilized world we have an obligation to stop the uncivilized war of the muslims trying to dominate the world. This is a repeat of the muslims on going centuries old war.

      • Yep, very small percentage want to kill us…WRONG
        Pew Research (2013): According to an interpretation of this study, approximately 45% of Sharia supporters surveyed disagreed with the idea that Islamic law should apply only to Muslims.
        http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

        83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
        78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
        http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/pakistan-78-percent-call-for-apostate-deaths/

        NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
        http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
        http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

      • Yes, the interpretation of a madman thought that it revealed that 45-percent supported. In reality, in countries that were run under religious law, nearly all wanted Sharia law, but they also wanted that law to only apply to Muslims.

        No surprise there. Go into the Vatican and ask if the papal law should be the law of the land and you’ll find the same.

        In democracies, it was fewer that 10-percent.

        Here’s what Pew actually had to say about the issue:

        “At the same time, the survey finds that even in many countries where there is strong backing for sharia, most Muslims favor religious freedom for people of other faiths. In Pakistan, for example, three-quarters of Muslims say that non-Muslims are very free to practice their religion, and fully 96% of those who share this assessment say it is “a good thing.” Yet 84% of Pakistani Muslims favor enshrining sharia as official law. These seemingly divergent views are possible partly because most supporters of sharia in Pakistan – as in many other countries – think Islamic law should apply only to Muslims. Moreover, Muslims around the globe have differing understandings of what sharia means in practice.” Pew Executive Summary http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-exec/

        So, Sharia means different things to different people. Sharia just means “God’s Law,” loosely translated. How many Christians in the United States demand that we be ruled by the 10 commandments?

        For others, Sharia means cutting off the heads of offenders, much like Christians are commanded to do by the Old Testament.

        Before you quote Pew, how about you read Pew?

      • So you’re comfortable with 112,000,000 and
        320,000,000 terrorists? What kind of human filth are you anyway?

  3. I would heartily encourage everyone to research David Wood. He’s a loon of the first order. He has repeatedly been debunked as a liar. It is no surprise that West, who has advocated that American Muslims be dealt with using “indiscriminate violent action” would side with yet another disreputable chuckle-head.

    Woods is aligned with Stop the Islamization of America (SIOA), which has been designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The group is also described by the ADL (a pro-Jewish organization) in the following terms: “Stop the Islamization of America (SIOA), created in 2009, promotes a conspiratorial anti-Muslim agenda under the guise of fighting radical Islam. The group seeks to rouse public fears by consistently vilifying the Islamic faith and asserting the existence of an Islamic conspiracy to destroy “American” values. The organization warns of the encroachment of shari’a, or Islamic law, and encourages Muslims to leave what it describes as the “falsity of Islam.”

    When the SPLC and the ADL think you’re a purveyor of hate, then you know you really are a loathsome person.

    That’s who West likes to hang out with …

    • Please provide evidence that David Wood’s statements are inaccurate, instead of making ad hominem attacks against him. As for your claim regarding Col. West’s alleged incitement to violence against people who intend to convert, enslave, and/or murder everyone who does not share their agenda (horror!), I could find no trace of any such statement on his website, other than deleted comments that showed up on Google; were these perhaps your repeated attempts to libel him, albeit in a fashion that would probably interest mostly Leftists and Moslems?

      “When the SPLC and the ADL think you’re a purveyor of hate, then you know you really are a loathsome person.” No, rather I know that you are a loathsome person because you cite them as authorities. Only the worst anti-White, anti-American, anti-Christian vermin will cite the likes of Morris Dees, Heidi Beirich, and Abe Foxman. This obviously includes you.

      • Your second graph gives you away, klan-lover … simple google search finds West preaching “eradication.” Adding “and I mean with violent indiscriminate action “

      • The only Moslems Col. West suggests we “eradicate” with
        “with violent indiscriminate action globally” are the Islamic
        State/ISIS. Do you support the Islamic State/ISIS? Sure seems that way.

        As for your allegation that my “second paragraph gives
        me away”, as a “klan-lover”, it strikes me as interesting coming from someone using the name “Red State Joe”. Are the only choices hating supporting the $PLC/ADL or joining the KKK? I’ve done neither, and plan to keep it that way.

        But as for defending Whites, including those affiliated at some point in their lives with the Klan: If James Meredith supports David Duke in his quest for White equality, why shouldn’t other Blacks as well as Whites? If James Meredith feels (and he does) the Civil Rights movement was just part of the liberal agenda and that it was bad for Blacks as well as for Whites, don’t you think maybe he knows what he’s talking about?

        Although I think Whites have more to lose from the racial
        aspects of today’s Communism than do members of other races — since the goal of today’s Communists (many of whom are Democratic members of Congress, which
        Col. West was purged by the Republican Party for mentioning) seems to be the complete liquidation of Whites, as the contemporary analogues of landowners in
        earlier Communist revolutions –, I believe these policies have destroyed the Black family and middle-class also, with Blacks who speak out against the destruction of their race by Marxists being branded Uncle Toms, self-haters,
        etc., just as Jews who don’t support their professional-Caucasophobe co-ethnics (e.g., Beirich, Dees, Foxman) are branded “anti-Semites”, “racists”, “self-hating Jews”, etc.

        I’m guessing you’re not too big on Booker T. Washington,
        Elizabeth Wright, or Walter Williams, and it’s obvious you hate Col. West. You really sound much more like a Huffington
        Post jihadist or a Blue State Jew than like a Red State Joe.

      • globally – all, everywhere. West never, ever constrains himself to opposing just radical Islam.

        He wants violence everywhere, globally, against all Muslims, including Muslim Americans.

        I oppose radical Islam just as I oppose radical Christianity.

        Huge difference.

        But hey, if you want to follow a guy even the pro-Jewish ADL thinks is going overboard on the Muslims, that’s on you.

      • Again, what makes you think the ADL is anti-Moslem? And Col. West’s article was devoted to the threat of “Islamism” (rather than Islam itself) and jihadist recruitment by ISIS sympathizers. Here is what he wrote:

        “We are not being specific in identifying the threat. It’s not that difficult to trace these individuals and the communities from which they come and those with whom they associate — Imams, Mullahs, mosques or Islamic centers. We have to put aside the PC nonsense and get to the source of the Islamist ideology recruitment.

        The seriousness of the situation was articulated by James Wright Foley’s executioner, ‘You’re no longer fighting an insurgency. We are an Islamic army and a state that has been accepted by large number of Muslims worldwide. So effectively, any aggression towards the Islamic State is aggression towards Muslims from all walks of life who has accepted the Islamic caliphate as their leadership. So any attempt by you, Obama, to deny the Muslims their rights of living in safety under the Islamic caliphate will result in the bloodshed of your people.’

        We have a bigger problem than I believe any of our elected officials may fully understand. Sure, I don’t want to see the Ebola virus spread, but there is a greater pestilence that has already spread to America — and it is far more long lasting and deadly if not eradicated. And I mean with violent indiscriminate action globally.

        But hey, this is the last week for our legislators in Washington D.C. as the focus is on reelection. But the focus should be on our survival against this vile enemy, and it starts right here in our homeland.”
        It seems fairly clear that Col. West is simply advocating not hog-tying our troops as has been done since Vietnam, in the interest of defending Americans. You are clearly concerned only with defending the jihadists.

      • What, you can’t get that race-war you’ve dreamed of so now you’ll settle for the religious war West wants?

        You both sicken me .

      • The race war is already here, and it’s being run by the same people who are shoving Islam down our throats. I don’t relish this, and I’m grateful for the help of anyone of any color who wants to fight back. That includes Col. West, not you — whatever color you may be.

      • See for yourself the confluence of race and religion:

        http://goo.gl/XUL5F2

        http://goo.gl/4EC3YK

        Of course, you’ll probably argue that defending Whites is inherently racist, since Whites are oppressors. Whether you’re a Marxist or a Third Worldist Moslem, I can’t tell, but there’s no reason why anyone interested in the survival of the United States or Western Civilization should listen to you.

    • So true because we have seen these peace loving people in action, all over the world. Slaughtering, raping, and handing out cookies. ZZZZZZZZZ

      • Actually, you got part of it right. 1.4 billion Muslims lead perfectly boring lives, nothing at all like the murders in the dark David Wood and Allen West claim they are.

      • I’ve worked in Indonesia and Malaysia and have traveled extensively in the Southern region of Thailand. When I worked in Bangkok my condo was in the Muslim area. I have never encountered any problem being a proud Christian in a Muslim country or area.

        It’s clear that you don’t know about what it is like to live in a Muslim country. There are 48 or so Muslim countries. Seven have issues with radicalized Muslims. Eight others can boast something the US can not: they have had female leaders.

        If Muslims hate women so much, then why would they elect them as their leaders?

        Someone has been lying to you about what Muslims believe, and it’s not me.

      • Someone has been lying to you about what Muslims believe. this is four out of a hundred nine verses that call for violent jihad against non believers.

        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” 

        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority

      • Actually, I have. Scares you to encounter someone both smarter and more experienced than you, doesn’t it.

      • First, if it is even true, how long ago did you live in Malaysia and travel in Thailand? Second Bangkok???? ROTFLOL! Can we just say it like this: anything goes in Bangkok, especially if you know people lol! Bangkok, an awesome place to party.

        Yeah your muslim neighbors in Bangkok could give not give two craps about you – but thanks for the great example. It’s just another sin city, but you will do serious time for drug charges lol – guess as a “proud Christian in a Muslim country” you kept your nose clean. lol

        Muslims hate women. Islam hates women. They are owned, they are property.

        Does not make one iota of difference if a woman got elected to a political position. We’ve been over this before – those 8 women compared to millions of others in modern day slavery. Those 8 women DO NOTHING to help the 9 year old child bride that just got sold off to the old man down the street. How little compassion can you possibly exhibit here.

        Again, most of the 8 women are not even in office anymore. Only one or two if I remember the last time we had this discussion. One is not or was not, no longer in politics, an atheist, the rest are out of politics.

        SHOW ME THE MUSLIM WOMAN THAT WOULD LEAD SAUDI ARABIA – show me that, I am waiting.

        Islam hates women, why else would they treat them so badly? Your argument of 8 women means nothing to the everyday muslim woman. They got there by family connections, not because islam loves women. We already did this. Millions of islamic muslim women and little girls suffer horrible lives under islam. How dare you ignore them.

      • Bangkok is only a party city if you live in the sleazy tourist areas. I lived as far away from Sukhumvit and Silom as I could and still make it to work on time. I worked in SEA within the past decade.

        Your point about Saudi Arabia only proves my point. There is a problem with radical Islam, and Saudi is one of those six or seven troubled countries. However, there are 40 others that do protect women, do allow them to drive, etc., etc.

        We need to fight the radicals, but not tarnish, degrade or attack the non-radicals.

        Eight Muslim countries have had modern-day women leaders. The US has had none.

        Who hates women?

      • here’s the problem :

        you separate, I don’t

        I say it is all the same
        you piecemeal islam out like a religion buffet line

        I say it is all the same because it is, the only difference is the level of involvement/jihad

        the Sword,the Mouth, the Pen, the Money
        the young no,the old no, cultural jihad & violent jihad; there are those who go radical there are those who support the radicals, there are those who are silent, there are those who outwardly lie; there are those who simply hide away trapped.
        Islam is one, you are deceived by your kind heart, I appreciate that, even respect it, had it once myself – my career and experiences in the past and present have shown me the truth. I have learned first hand how to give respect to the violence of islam and not pretend it does not exist. It is in the US, it is one of the foundations of islam. It just is. I wish it wasn’t.

        The world needs people like you that have sympathy. And the world needs people like me that see through the mist, recognize any threat and know what to do. The world needs me and you, ok butthead:)

        I don’t mean to offend. It is all the same. A smiling sweet muslim child that melted my heart nearly killed me and 5 other soliders. I must feel how I feel because I know what I know. Those same people immigrate to America. Sometimes they lie right through their teeth. Again don’t be naive.

      • Yes, I have the cognitive ability to punish those who do bad without punishing those who didn’t.

        Group punishment is not only forbidden under the Judeo-Christian principles upon which this nation was founded, it’s also outlawed as a war crime.

        It’s also a central aspect of terrorism. Look it up. Collective punishment is at the core of what terrorist do.

        You want to act like a war criminal? You want to adopt the mentality of a terrorist? Really? You sure about that?

      • Wow, yes thank you for finally admitting this country is based on Judeo-Christian principles, was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

        And Wow – that is awesome, you have argued so hard against anyone trying to get that point across in the past, glad to see you saying something actually truthful and relevant to our country on such a profound level.

        Anyway, you make quite a wild leap asking me if I want to act like a war criminal .LOL

        Let’s stick to what we have ok? Let’s not go crazy here. Can you hang with that? If you have to stoop so low and dig so deep as to ask me if I want to act like a terrorist, then you just have to know, you must know, you have lost this conversation big time. Just saying, if that is the only direction that remains for you, you got a whole lot of nothing. FAIL.

        You my friend do not have the cognitive ability to even recognize terrorism if it came and sliced your head off. This should be worrisome for you however disturbingly it is not, but that is not uncommon for liberals. They simply view life as they would like it to be, not as it actually is.

        I’m not the one who would punish or enforce. I am the one who finds. Having said that your last comment is just useless.

      • How charming – yes, start trying to back out and away. It’s ok RedStateJoe, just don’t say anything else. I have taken the time before to discuss the islamic problem with you. It is tiresome but in the end, you always land with the same non-answers and ill-informed emotions.

        Eventually you start to contradict your own words. You just can’t defend islam. Instead you just call everyone haters and war criminals LOL.

        I’m talking to you liberal muslim catholic man who is right with Jesus LOL

      • Seriously, you’re confused. The US was founded on what, in the 1800’s, would be labeled Judeo Christian values. All that term means is that there are a set of principles shared between Jews and Christians that made their way into our nations formation by a bunch of deists.

        You may have read me mocking West’s assertion that the founders deliberately sat down and decided to found the US on a “Judeo-Christian faith heritage.” That mocking continues.

        (1) The term didn’t exist until the 1800’s.
        (2) There is no record of any discussion or meeting where the FF said “hey, let’s get the list of shared principles together.”
        (3) There is no Judeo-Christian Faith. You are either a Jew or you are not. You are either a Christian or you are not. There is more to being a Jew than the small, very small, number of shared principles expressed in the J-C. Same for being a Christian.
        (4) Without there being a faith, there can be no heritage to it.

        Judeo Christian principles is just a shorthand for encapsulating a short list of values demonstrated in our democracy’s core documents.

        Of course I acknowledge it.

        I also honor it.

        No collective punishment. Get on board.

      • You do want to act like a war criminal. You want to collectively punish all Muslims for the acts of a minority of Muslims-in-name-only.

        You really are a sick person.

      • Your way of thinking is what will allow another 9/11 to happen in this country. You and your thinking is what is criminal. There is law above man – that is God’s law. Islam denies Christ died on the cross – either accept the facts or go be a muslim openly. You can’t be a catholic as you claim to be and a muslim as you seem to be.

        We have already done all this RedStateJoe – and in the end I asked you to defend islam. You just can’t.

        I asked you to stop attacking me, calling me a liar, attacking other people as well and just getting right to it – defending islam on it’s merits.

        YOU CAN’T DO IT. Islam is antithetical to our constitution and yet you still want to give it to them.

        There is no distinction in Islam that separates the COMMANDS for
        violence against the infidel between the time of Mohammed and right now. If you study the quran long enough you will learn that. Because you refuse to do that you will continue to be wrong.

        You cannot defend islam or you would have already shown myself and everyone why honor killings are good, why wife beating is good and necessary and the right of the husband, why it is acceptable to marry your 8 year old daughter to an old man, and why a woman’s testimony in sharia law is not equally weighted to a man, and why a woman that is raped is charged with adultery and why she must produce 4 witnesses to her rape, and why any speech critical of muhammad is punishable by death – will you please defend all these things for me?

        I have asked you again and again to do so, but you won’t because you can’t. You just simply fall back to religious freedom as if that makes it all ok.

        You really are a sick person.

      • No, it won’t. Your way of thinking is revolting to the Judeo Christian principles upon which this country was founded, is unlawful under International Law and is consistent with the mindset of a terrorist.

        You’ve written that Muslims can convert or die.

        You’ve written that you can’t be bothered by the fact that the majority of Muslims are peaceful.

        You’re insane … or criminal. You pick.

      • Yes it will/can, but we won’t go back and forth with it.

        My “way of thinking” is unlawful under International Law? – ROTFLMAO Wow you seriously really do have a ego problem. My way of thinking is breaking the law???!!!!
        I’m not allowed according to RedStateJoe to think what ever the hell I want???? YOU ARE AN AUTHENTIC TOOL

        Now just where did I say Muslims need to die if they don’t convert – I need to see this. Also exactly what did I say they must to convert to or else die?

        No I have not written “that I can’t be bothered with the fact that the majority of Muslims are peaceful” – you literally are not getting it, the problem lies with the institution of islam for lack of a better word, not the individual muslim(s) who have been brainwashed often from birth and have never even read the quran. They get their guidance from religious scholars of islam who do their best to present islam in the best possible light and do not tell the truth. Mainly that muhammed, whom all muslims are to try and emmulate, was a rapist, a murderer, a pedophile, a terrorist, a thief, a narcissist, a torturer, a liar, and demonized. In other words he was a criminal. He is the criminal you should school yourself up on and stop calling me one because I know the truth about him.

        Apparently human rights do not concern you and YOUR lack of compassion and disregard for human rights is revolting. You defend pedophiles, I hope you are proud of yourself you sick FCK.

      • No I’m not. I never said that, you arrived at that on your own. Never said all muslims should be “collectively punished” in any post – EVER.

        You like talking for other people don’t you? I see you do that a lot.

        You should talk about the issue – islam. You should try to defend islam and the right to religious freedom they have despite the human rights violations that are a part of their religion. You should try to defend islam taking into consideration what islam is and what it is about and what it does. You should do that and stop putting words into my mouth.

        Defend Islam. You can’t. But you say you never wanted to but that you just want to defend freedom of religion. LOL you little wormlike incorrigible dullard. Say something worth reading.

      • It’s not muslims that need to be punished albeit for the murdering terrorist acting out in the name of islam – the rest can come away from the islamic death cult false religion into something that will actually offer them salvation. I would have thought you would care about this from how you talk, but you obviously don’t since you are a phoney.

        Muslim apologists do their best to silence apostates and their criticism of Islam by throwing out the dreaded “Islamophobia” label. Like you. Apostates are people who were once Muslims themselves but have since left the religion for a variety of reasons. Many leave islam as witnesses to Muslim abuses and violence, and others have simply done the unthinkable- they opened the Qur’an and read it. They renounce their faith once they understand it.

        No I don’t want to collectively punish all muslims and never said so – stop placing words in my mouth, I can speak for myself. I want to see muslims come out the the oppression that is islam. You want them to stay in it.

        Islam exists because of a very simple reason, they fear being murdered if they leave. That’s islam. Are you proud you support it?

      • SEA , how was that back then? No future there?

        There’s a lot more to Bangkok you never knew, won’t fault you on that lol.

        It never fails to amaze me, but actually not really, that what I state, you bring the reverse. What I say about Saudi you say proves your point. To who? Not even. I am sadly well aware of the problem of radical islam, that is only a reflection of islam itself. That is the mixed up communication we are having.

        You refuse to understand there is only ONE islam, which is the truth. There is no nice islam and there is no radical islam and there is no so-so islam – it is islam or it is not islam. This is truly the heart of the matter. I understand why you want to see it the way you do. I have been in analysis of islam for years. It is all the same, it is one. Stop breaking it up and breaking it out into what we can accept and what we cannot. Only ONE islam exists. That is the bottom line. Accept it or not, I don’t give a FCK. I know what I know, I know what I do, I know what is what. Everything else is “wanna-be sweetness” that does not exist and is only a facade.

        I have proved nothing for you. Select what you are speaking of, islam in the US, islam in the world, historical islam – it all comes from the same origin and it has not changed it basic premise since it’s inception.

        Saudi leads, know that, hate to say it but the rest for the most part just are not that important, they are minor players. There are main players in all this, Saudi is at the top of the list.

        “We” want to let people alone to live, yes. You said:

        “We need to fight the radicals,but not tarnish, degrade or attack the non-radicals.”

        Do you actually understand what you are saying there? Examine your words. I am here to tell you straight up – you do not understand the islamic machine operating in this world. There are innocents, but that does not change the reality.

        IMHO, outside professional attitudes, the innocents need to get the FCK out of islam.

      • You really don’t know much about Islam other than what you have picked up from a handful of hate-sites. Your ramblings would be comical if your purpose wasn’t the collective punishment of a religion.

        Religious tolerance is essential to the American experience. Folks like you and West seem to hate that part of being an American. Why?

      • Coming from the poster boy for islam that truly is comical. Your knowledge of islam, where is it? Typical liberal bs – just tell someone they don’t know anything about it because you don’t like the truth. Say they get their information from hate sites – WTG.

        If you can’t prove anything I have said is incorrect, what you say is meaningless. If you can’t prove the verses sited in the video and other comments here are wrong, then just say everyone lies. LOL Stop pretending to be something you’re not.

      • “I worked in SEA within the past decade.” I think you need to expand on that a little bit or else it is bs.

      • No, the real discussion in Islam. There are 48 countries that are run by Muslims. There are seven or so that have a problem with radicalized Islam. You want to focus on them as a means of supporting your argument that Islam is out to get us, like some bogeyman.

        I want to include all of Islam to show that it’s not Islam that is the problem, it’s radicalized Islam.

        For every one country that suppresses women, I can show you five that don’t. Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, elected a female leader. That’s the face of Islam that represents the majority.

        Your way of thinking amounts to collective punishment, where peaceful Muslims in countries that do no harm to the US and don’t sponsor terrorism would be held to account for the acts of those Muslims-in-name-only who are thousands of miles away.

        Collective punishment is a war crime, it is forbidden by the Judeo Christen principles and is the primary tool of terrorists.

      • David Wood has been caught making up versus from the Qu’ran, lying about the sources of objectionable treatments of Christianity and making false and scurrilous claims against Muslim-Americans.

        He’s lied so often and so virulently that the ADL (which generally distrusts Muslims) and the SPLC have the groups he associates with on their hate-group lists.

      • Which verses did Wood make up? Aren’t the Sword Verses bad enough? Are you going to tell us that jihad is about the struggle to find one’s inner child (my Hans Wehr dictionary says otherwise), or that Moslems aren’t really supposed to kill Christians and Jews?

        As for the ADL, it’s very supportive of Islam, as are most Jewish organizations. I recommend Srdja Trifkovic’s article, “Abraham Foxman, Jihad’s Friend”. Stella Paul has written an article on the American Thinker website that chronicles some of this stuff and nonsense, entitled “The Jews in the
        Basement”. You can see information on one of Foxman’s pro-Islamic initiatives here: http://goo.gl/oeIci2

        Arab Moslems are allowed to negotiate with the Zionists, even though the Arabs don’t accept Jewish dominion over all of the former Palestine Mandate and have killed quite a few Jews in the process of the ongoing war between Semitic cousins, yet old men who fought Communism nearly a century ago are kidnapped and tried for “crimes against humanity” and/or hanged because they worked at campsrun by the losing side in a war in the course of which, amongst many other people, Jews were killed, and after which many innocent Germans and anti-Communist Russians were killed, which seems to bother no one.

        Of course, Hitler hated Christianity and wished the Germans had been forcibly converted to Islam, but let me guess — mentioning that is “Islamophobic”.

      • You are attacking the messenger rather then discussing the ideology.

        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” 

        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority

      • You’re the one with the problem, you should go live in a place without Muslims.

        If being an American and respecting the free expression of religion bothers you, then you need to leave. Seriously, just get the heck out.

      • Each time you post, you reveal yourself as a poor, distraught, uninformed liberal. I already serve you in these hell-holes, so give up trying to justify your ignorance. And you think Islam is a religion? C’mon over and see how “tolerant” they are in the countries they already control. Why don’t you just admit, you’re wrong and are one of those “people” who think if you are tolerant toward Islam, they will spare your life and the lives of your family?

      • You can’t stand to be an American. We’re the land of the free and the home of the brave. It takes real courage to let others do what they want such that they will let you do what you want.

        You don’t have that kind of courage, so leave. Get out. Let America be for the free and the brave, not the sniveling and the scared.

      • I see my initial impression is correct. Don’t accuse me of not being an American – you have never been in those places or you would know how Islam is and wouldn’t be making stupid comments about things you don’t know. It’s you and your ilk who needs to leave – I doubt anyone would miss you. What have you done for the US? Oh, I see, troll the conservative blogs and prove how ignorant liberals are. Good job.

      • If he ever lived in a country that had islamic rule and sharia law he would never say the things he has said, even as the most dumb founded liberal – after that kind of experience you never take the freedom in America for granted again.

        just a little thing for a man – if you don’t have a beard you can and will be thrown in jail, but first you will likely get beaten on the street, that’s nothing compared to what women get.

        Every aspect of your life is controlled.

        God Bless America.

      • If you’re not afraid, it’s either because you’re unaware or because your side is winning. Either possibility speaks ill of you.

      • yes we let them do what they want cause they come here for freedom like we have and then use our beautiful PC against us.

        they come here because why? they don’t have any freedom in their own islamic countries.

        then what happens is that they don’t really want to be americans, they don’t want to make an allegiance to the US because islam does not allow them to do this – so they lie

        when they become citizens of the us, they lie

        no muslim can be a US citizen, their religion does not allow them to place anything any allegiance above muhammed and “Allah” and that is what you do as an American – you have an allegiance to the United States.

        check it you will see, or just go on living in your happy bubble.

      • I suspect RedStateJoe is a Moslem, rather than a liberal, but maybe you’re right. In any case, I know you’re right: They won’t spare anyone.

      • Here is what your Sharia buddies call ‘free expression’. Now if you agree with the following. YOU GTFO and kill yourself ASAP.

        http://www.answers.com/Q/What_countries_use_Sharia_Law

        Countries using strict forms of Sharia Law include:

        Death for Blasphemy:

        1. Afghanistan
        2. Bahrain
        3. Iran
        4. Mauritania
        5. Oman
        6. Pakistan
        7. Yemen
        8. Saudi Arabia
        9. Gaza

        Imprisonment for Blasphemy:

        1. Algeria
        2. Bangladesh
        3. Egypt
        4. Iraq
        5. Kuwait
        6. Libya
        7. Malaysia
        8. Maldives
        9. Morocco
        10. Somalia
        11. Tunisia
        12. United Arab Emirates

        Nations that include some level of Sharia (leniant sentences for honour killings, ban on new churches, floggings, etc):

        1. Indonesia (Flogging, Caning; Sharia applied strictly in Aceh province)
        2. Turkey (Restrictions on alcohol)
        3. Brunei (Caning, Alcohol is illegal)
        4. Jordan (2 years or less for honour killings)
        5. Eritrea (Girls as young as 8 can be married, spousal rape is not recognized)
        6. Syria (1 year or less for honour killings)
        7. Djibouti (Sharia law regarding divorce)
        8. Chechnya (Modest dress enforced, Alcohol and gambling suppressed by local authorities)
        9. Niger (girls can be married off before they reach puberty)
        10. Nigeria (Sharia is enforced in the northern states)
        11. Kenya (Ad Hoc Sharia enforced in the east near the border with Somalia)
        12. Gambia (Sharia courts decide all family matters, including for non-Muslims)
        13. Qatar (public consumption is illegal during Ramadan, Alcohol heavily restricted, blood money acceptable punishment for murder, “kafala” law which is also shared by all Gulf states but Bahrain is technically slavery)
        14. Uganda (Kadhi Courts overseeing family and civil matters)

        Most “Western” nations also have parallel Sharia legal systems (for example in Canada polygamy is widely practiced and authorities look the other way, Imams refusing to condemn or work to stop it). Sharia finance is also practiced in many nations around the world. Many other Islamic nations that do not apply Sharia (such as Azerbaijan, Albania, Bosnia, Uzbekistan, and Tajikstan) have large portions of their population who do want it applied or who actively seek to abide by it extra-legally.

    • every one of those above mentioned “hate groups” are labeled as such because they present what Muslims say in their own words and report on terrorism worldwide.

      • Well said. The same goes for their coverage of other “hate groups” that try to get the word out concerning the behavior of other protected groups affiliated with the Left.

  4. Progressives, liberals, leftists have am empathy for the totalitarian system of islam. They somehow see islam as an ally. Anyone who truly understands islam has to know that it is simply not compatible with western civilization.

      • Sharia is a right-wing political construct. Strict adherence to religion, slow to change, conservative, pro-death penalty, opposes abortion, believes the woman is sub-servant to the man.

        That’s radical right-wing.

      • Takfir is a right wing construct? lol…

        I’ll bet you guys didn’t know that Abraham Lincoln wrote Sharia law.

      • Lincoln didn’t, but he invited Forty-Eighters into the United States to help terrorize the South, and he was taken by surprise when the Radical Republicans wanted to impose Radical Reconstruction on the South instead of his own plan to welcome the Southerners back into the fold, minus the Southerners’ slaves. (At the time of his assassination, Lincoln was looking for a place to deport the freedmen, except those who had served honorably in the Union Army, whereas the Radical Republicans wanted to make them citizens, which they succeeded in doing after Lincoln’s assassination.) It might have been better to mention someone with a less bloodstained, more freedom-loving record (e.g., Patrick Henry) than Lincoln. And you’ll never guess what the one book is that the Union Army saved from the University of Alabama: http://goo.gl/Sr2rCy

      • Lincoln was a liberal. He was a Republican when the Republicans were liberal. He advocated drastic, radical change, opposed states rights, supported social safety nets, and forced equality among the races.

      • Stick to the subject.

        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” 

        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority

      • LOL – you go off topic and then whine when you get your teeth kicked in.

        The topic is West hanging out with loons who are affiliated with hate groups.

        Is that a good thing or a bad thing, in your opinion?

      • The topic: JIHAD/ISLAM that’s the topic of the video and the blog post made by West.

        YOU tried to divert the discussion to West and Wood being liars and being affiliated with hate groups. You try to change the topic because:

        YOU CANNOT DEFEND ISLAM – YOU COULD NOT LAST TIME ALL THIS CAME IN ANOTHER POST AND YOU CAN’T NOW.

        Debate ISLAM which is the topic. Debate jihad that is the topic.

        And also do please name the people you said are critical of Islam but are “compelling” to you – name them, lets see who they are, let’s bring their words in here.

        You just want to attack West as usual. It is so transparent it is laughable. Anything he is for you will be against. That is your MO.

        So again:

        DEFEND ISLAM – DEFEND IT AND ALL IT’S MERITS, DO IT IF YOU CAN. SO FAR YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO. DEFEND IT, STAND UP FOR ISLAM. DON’T JUST SAY FREEDOM OF RELIGION, WE ALL KNOW YOU DON’T WANT FREEDOM OF RELIGION FOR CHRISTIANS – BUT BOY WILL YOU GO TO BAT FOR THE FREEDOM OF ISLAM. Yes it’s all caps, glad you noticed that. Defend Islam please, I have been waiting for you to do that.

      • Me laughing at your stupid post is not going off topic. Nice try clown.

        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” 

        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority

      • [[ Lincoln was a liberal ]]

        Really stupid? Your hero LBJ said this about blacks…………..

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        Mar 12, 2014 – I’ll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years”. … As other comments noted, the quote is attributed to LBJ in Ronald

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        Tell me how Lincoln was like LBJ.

      • You do realize that your post just makes you look more like an idiot than ever before, yes?

        What is the definition of a liberal?

        What were the behaviors and attitudes of Lincoln?

        Come on boy, show us that you can think! You can do it!

      • You said Lincoln is a lib. Now unless I am mistaken, you leftoids think of LBJ as a lib. So tell me how Lincoln is like LBJ.

      • Lincoln’s personal philosophy does not fit squarely into any/either party of today. And his personal philosophy was demonstrated through his politics. Many things he was for democrats today are against. Just like JFK he held conservative beliefs and yet also held liberal beliefs. Republicans of his time were industrial and democrats were agricultural. It was such a different country and such a different time that I find the argument of what Lincoln was not really able to be plugged into what we all are going through and facing now.

      • Stick to your premise. Explore how Lincoln was against things the liberals are against today. Don’t meander into an off-topic rant about other presidents. Prove your point. Fully develop your argument. You may be right. No one will ever know if you don’t follow through with your claims.

      • LOL you are telling me how to talk – the nerve, what do you think this is Iran, Iraq, are we in Palestine? My post was easy and clear.

        My premise is he does not fit into anywhere today and further more does it even matter. He changed from the early Lincoln to the later Lincoln that attended church. Maybe he just did that to make his wife happy, he loved her so and was very devoted. Who the hell would ever know. That’s my point. The man was so private anything anyone thinks is just opinion.

        Including you. btw, one short sentence with 13 words hardly equals a rant you butthead 🙂

        There’s no “may be right” about it regardless of my views and how I “follow through with them” that is the point, no one knows what was truly inside our beloved Lincoln – slapping you.

      • I’m coaching you on how to make sense. You don’t do that very often, and you certainly didn’t do it in the post to which I responded.

      • LMAO. You mean making sense by agreeing with your collectivist talking points? Is that the only way you can make sense out of what people say, if they agree with you?

      • Let it be known, as hard as I try, it is very difficult to make sense when trying to reply to your senseless nonsense based purely on your rigid liberal minded horse crap.

        But thanks for trying to coach me LOL, that’s really sweet of you 🙂

      • I hate to break it to you but yes you are liberal and yes you do have an identity crisis going on and being to the left of me makes you a liberal

      • That’s one of the dumbest things you have ever written. Learn a little about the political spectrum before commenting further.

      • LOL Everyone knows you are a liberal. I completely skipped over anything even close to the middle of political spectrum since that area honestly does not apply to you.

        But OK we’ll go along with you, like the crazy old uncle everyone just smiles about. You never say anything a conservative would say. I’m not the only one who has noticed this . . .

      • Everyone has that crazy uncle that spends too much time watching Fox and thinks he’s middle of the road when he’s really a right-wing radical. That’s you.

      • Disappointed RedStateJoe 🙁 so uncreative in your response. . . .I forgive you, I know you’re old and tired lol

        I’d have a time of it being anyone’s uncle since I’m female. . .but I’ve never let that stop me from “manning up” when I had to especially against so called “men” – it’s always been so hilarious to see their reaction when I wipe the floor with them, they never see it coming – the ability has advanced my career beyond your understanding; anyway, back to your bs:

        Remember when I said to you MAN UP OR SHUT UP regarding your dismal failure to defend all the wonderful things about islam? When are you going to do that?

        a – today
        b – tomorrow
        c – sometime in the next month
        d – never cause you just can’t

        (hint – the correct answer is d, but I will give you extra credit for giving it a shot 🙂

        You do remember that question right or is your memory going as well as your body – it sucks to not keep in shape, you should of thought of that a while ago

        Anyway, honestly I don’t watch much tv, in fact I can say I rarely watch tv – all that crap you spew about fox news is just more parroting liberal mumbling – you do a lot of that, try to put it off on people, as if lol.

        The only time I ever watch tv is during football season when my team is playing – for reals. I don’t get my info from the tellie, it’s just too annoying, a lot like you 🙂

        NOW are we going to hear you defend islam or not? Or are we just going to have you attack me personally and tell me I am a hater and a war criminal and have you tell me what I want to do ROTFLMAO.

        Will you please get back on topic? This isn’t about me, I said that the last time we discussed islam.

        Defend islam – don’t just say they have religious freedom, we have been there and done that lol – defend islam, or do you really not know enough about it to even actually defend what it’s all about?

        I can help you through your cognitive dissonance with islam – I know it’s difficult to accept things that you don’t want to accept cause you have been brainwashed by weak liberal minded idiots. They believe and support things on the surface but fail to understand the evil that is beneath. You really have to stop with all that. It’s just not right liberal catholic conservative man who is right with Jesus.

        Stop mocking God with the evil of islam. It will come back to bite you one day, but on that day, it will be too late.

      • Your confused. I’m not here to defend Islam. I’m here to defend the freedom to practice it.

        That’s me being an American.

      • The freedom to practice it does not need defending, especially from you

        The question is does it actually deserve that freedom, guess you missed all that lol – good grief, try to pay attention.

        Islam is unconstitutional, start with that 🙂

      • Start with what – the absolute craziest claim I’ve heard yet? You keep surprising me, just when I think you can’t write anything stupider … you go and find a way.

      • Great answer. Start with islamic practices and law. There is nothing crazy about that. You are too lazy to do it.

        And yes – keep making it all about me. Now that really is stupid and shows how you just back away from bringing in real conversation about the issue. Just call me crazy lol! You have no idea what crazy is little girl 🙂

        If you believe islam has the right to religious freedom in the United States of America under our Constitution then prove it.

        If my religion says that I have the right to rape a child under the tenets of my religion, do I still have religious freedom? Will you still stand up for me and my constitutional right to religious freedom regardless of what my religion calls for and endorses? Will you do it also if my religion says that I have the right to carry out an honor killing? My religion says I can, will you stand up for my constitutional right to murder and rape by way of my constitutional freedom of religion?

        Will you do that for me RedStateJoe? Will you defend islam or will you just keep hiding behind freedom of religion as the ugly dark side of islam continues with your approval?

      • Own your craziness. Show that Islam is “unconstitutional.” (I’ll go get some popcorn. This will be entertaining.)

      • Own your own pigheadedness. Show that islam is constitutional. Don’t just say cause the SCOTUS says so – do it in your own words you lazy cow.

      • BTW: Here’s the easiest proof: the SCOTUS has recognized Islam as a religion, indeed, its building includes a frieze honoring Mohammed.

        Seriously, you don’t expect any literate person to spend more than a few sentences entertaining your “Islam is unconstitutional” delusion, do you?

      • No I don’t – I am talking to YOU. I asked you to start there and talk to me about what is and is not constitutionally protected. If a religion is breaking a law does it get protection?

        I am really trying here with you to just talk about islam. Stop slamming me because I question it. I have seen first hand islam. I was even treated for a period for PTSD over what I experienced dealig with islam on a personal and professional level and that is as far as I can go into that. It is, despite what you think, one of the worse things that has come upon this earth (IMHO, and please just let me have my opinion).

        Question is: at what point does a religion benefit from our constitutional freedoms beyond the destruction of basic human rights?

        I am asking you to talk to me about this. You drag me into a bitch fight – no problem, I do that all the time. Bring it, I’m a pro. Will go all night then be back at O Dark thirty with you.

        I want to talk about islam, you just want to talk about their rights.

        Islam destroys human rights on so many levels. I know this, have seen it.

        If you don’t want to talk about what islam is then just say so and we can be done RedStateJoe.

        I have put specific examples to you – you don’t respond to them.

        I don’t care about anyone else – I am doing this with YOU. Me and you. Make me understand why. Give me your reasons.

        At least see that something is wrong when a “religion” can be so extremely destructive to human beings and still be OK with you.

        I know islam is recognized as a religion. I already know that – I wish I could delve into my professional connection to islam, but I can’t. I know more about islam that I ever wanted to know.

        If you just want to hate one me then FCK OFF.

      • (1) It’s your claim, you own the burden of moving forward.
        (2) Your premise is flawed. Islam doesn’t stand for what you want to pretend it to stand for. Radical Muslim may act like that, but to Muslims, that’s not Islam. Just as you don’t support the KKK’s version of Christianity (I hope), so too the vast majority of Islam doesn’t support ISIS and the radicals. Indeed, they are doing what you won’t do – they are actually fighting, with bullets and blood, those who stain their religion. When was the last time you took on the KKK in a fire-fight?

      • When you make a claim – Islam is Unconstitutional – then you own the burden of moving forward.

        Sustain your own argument and then I’ll crush it into the ground.

      • yes, that’s why you’re so lame – you can’t defend islam but you will defend it’s freedom despite it being the most oppressive “religion” on the planet – you are a light weight

      • You haven’t read the Lincoln-Douglas debates or “Colonization After Emancipation”, have you?! It’s true Lincoln opposed (really, “eviscerated” would be a better word) states’ rights, but he did not belong to the witch-hanging Puritan wing of his party; he was much closer to the free-soilers, who simply wanted Blacks out of America.

        Some Southerners even argued in favor of the enslavement of poor Whites, since — or so they argued — working conditions in Northern factories were less humane than those on Southern plantations. Whether or not these arguments seem appealing, valid, or true is irrelevant.

        The point is that the Civil War was not about race as much as it was about economics, and people like you should stop weaponizing everything, Moslem-style, in the furtherance of your War on Whites, a war that most Whites have been rather unpleasantly surprised to find themselves losing badly, when they, to their chagrin, were unaware for the past century or so that it had started.

        I recommend these articles by the late, great Elizabeth Wright on this subject:
        http://goo.gl/9oWmEp
        http://goo.gl/f2ybjS
        http://goo.gl/SQ85wI
        http://goo.gl/h90pQ1

      • It’s interesting that mentioning the war on Whites makes me a “klan-boy” in your eyes. Of course there is a war on Whites. For starters, what do you think the international response would be if a White country limited citizenship to Whites? I’m asking, because most African countries and most of the African diaspora limit citizenship to people of African origin, India limits citizenship to people of Indian origin, Taiwan limits citizenship to people of Taiwanese origin, Japan has no procedure for naturalization, Red China gives citizenship only to members of China’s official ethnic groups, most Middle Eastern countries limit citizenship to people whose fathers came from those countries, etc. Why are White countries obligated to promote the displacement of their native populations in the name of tolerance? Why are crimes against Whites punished with lesser sentences than crimes against those of “historically oppressed groups”? Why are Whites portrayed in the mass media and by our educational establishment as the source of all injustice and suffering in the world? Why are Whites encouraged to practice miscegenation, when their genes are recessive? Sure sounds like a war on Whites to me.

      • We’re the US. We don’t lower ourselves to the standards of others, we create the standard others hope to achieve.

        That you think there is a race war, when there clearly isn’t, is all the proof anyone needs to see your klan sympathies.

      • We are the US, and I think we are quite the international laughing-stock these days.

        That you insist there is no war on Whites, when there clearly is, is all the proof anyone needs to see that you hate Whites.

      • If you think the US is the laughing stock then you haven’t been outside the country recently. Tell the truth, when was the last time you spent at least three months outside the US visiting a variety of countries?

      • No he didn’t. Your statement is very intriguing. Sharia law emerged after the false prophet of islam, muhammed, died in 632 CE. Sharia law comes from the quran and the traditions of muhammed, what came to be the quran, all based on his unproven unverified unwitnessed revelations from the archangel Gabriel. It took some time and years to develop and to become what we know it to be in modern times.

        I mostly agree with your attitude and positions on this blog but would love to see what sources have brought you to such a conclusion.

        Lincoln was born a Quaker. He never actually declared his religion and was an extremely private man regarding his inner faith and feelings. Although in later writings he does mention a higher creator or maker. In later life and with Mary and after the tragic loss of their son, it often seems as though he indeed did embrace Christianity, but never publicly as he remained a very private man.

        I have often thought that God certainly had a clear purpose for Lincoln and that he had prophetic visions/dreams that were realized does give lots to think about no?

        Please share with me where the idea that Lincoln wrote sharia law comes from. Maybe I am not understanding your comment. 🙂

      • OMG you got me – i love you lol! Like I said I have pretty much been in agreement with everything you have said for a while now – thanks for the laugh – high five!

      • Sharia is a totalitarian construct,comrade. Where the State decides the religion and where EVERYONE is subservient to the State …as in Islamic STATE. Where opposition is not tolerated from anyone and death is the penalty. But when it comes to “slow to change”, I’ll give that to Islam hands down. I mean they haven’t changed a single thing–not even the clothes—for over 1400 years!

        Get off the lame attempts to draw parallels between our petty partisans and these pros. I could do the same for your left wing-nuts, too, if I wanted to waste the time. If you want to keep your head in the sand be careful. I hear some of those guys aren’t awfully picky about partners for “fun”.

      • Totalitarianism is on the far right of the political spectrum. Thanks for proving my point. ISIS is a radical right-wing movement.

      • Hahaha…Yeah, Comrade, because the USSR, Cuba and China are all such far right wing totalitarian regimes. The only difference between totalitarian regimes isn’t right or left. It’s whether the State OWNS everything or simply CONTROLS those who own it.

        Go drink more Kool Aid.

      • how can totalitarianism be on the far right? Those on the far right want Limited government.
        you socialist fools on the left want unrestrained government more regulation overbearing tax burdens this is totalitarianism.
        if Isis is a far right movement why does the left cover for it?

      • good then by your own words: “ISIS is a radical right-wing movement.” Awesome, we are getting somewhere – finally you call it a movement, it’s not a religion but a “movement” as you say lol note: ISIS is islam, don’t even try to say it’s not 🙂
        Especially don’t let “them” know you said they weren’t islam, they would kill you triple times what they already would for being catholic – unless you pay the $$$ tax, but alas that only will last you a couple few days, then they will kill you, like in Iraq right? They burned your beautiful 1000+ year old church – they did that cause islam says to.

        religious freedom is for religions right? not “movements”

        lol

      • I’ve always considered ISIS a movement. I don’t think it properly belongs to Islam any more than I think the KKK or other white supremacist groups belongs to Christianity.

      • No where does the bible command Christians to wage war.

        ISIS is doing what all Muslims are commanded to do. It is not a suggestion.
        They know what the Quran commands. It doesn’t matter what you believe about Muslims.

        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” 

        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority

      • I’ve read it. I said Christians. Nowhere in the bible are Christian believers commanded to kill. Just the opposite. They are commanded to lay down their lives. Deny themselves, take up their cross and follow Christ.

      • All the the bible and all of the word of God is holy to Christians. OT written to Jews not Christians. The Old Covenantal system is gone. Biblical laws remain but no we do not now live under that system. We are under a new
        covenant. Jesus said “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.” Luke 22:20

        We have a new covenant with Christ. Telling someone to go read the OT shows your ignorance.

      • IS is Islamic. It may not fit liberal Westerners’ patronizing image of how nice, feminized, pro-LGBT Mooslims behave — which, by the way, is an image the Moslems have cultivated to fool naive Westerners –, but IS is the genuine article.

        As for connecting “the KKK or other white supremacist groups” to Christianity, don’t you have any more creative bogeymen? With Christianity spreading fast in black Africa and China and dying out in Europe and large swaths of North America, and with liberation theology having taken over much of Latin America (as well as Islam spreading fast in Mexico), I would have thought the standard Marxist “If you call Saracens violent, we’ll call Christians racist” would have died out by now. Apparently, old habits die hard.

        P.S. FYI, many pro-White activists regard Christianity as a one-world Jewish conspiracy (e.g., Revilo Oliver), or at least as something alien and detrimental to Aryans (e.g., Alex Linder). Many are atheists or pagans, and have no connection to Christianity, except possibly for having rejected it.

      • What is IS doing that it un-Islamic? Please understand that this is not the Daily Kos and you will be asked to do more than jeer at the Rightist opposition. Did you read the article by Raymond Ibrahim, which explains very clearly that IS is doing nothing the first Sunni Moslems, the models for today’s Salafis, did not do?

        How is the KKK’s current convergence with National Socialism Christian? How is the historical intersection between the KKK and Freemasonry Christian? You appear to confuse Aryans with Christians, which is typical of blue state Jews, rather than of red state Joes.

      • LOL – You really are searching for a race war, aren’t you?

        The KKK self-identifies as Christian, always has.

        The scholars who represent more than 1.2 billion peaceful Muslims say ISIS is not acting consistent with the teaching of Islam. Who are you to tell them they are wrong?

      • First of all, as I’ve already told you, I’m not searching for a race war. It’s already here, everyone but you — assuming you are sincere — knows it, and I don’t like it.

        Judging by the Internet, I’d say there’s a traditionalist minority amongst younger pro-White activists that is to some extent Christian, but most young people who have the courage to be pro-White are pagan, atheistic, or “Christian” only insofar as they embrace tradition they identify with their own bloodline (e.g., Lutheranism for Scandinavians, Orthodoxy for Russians). A lot of the Christians are into Christian Identity (CI) and Kinism. Using Stormfront as a measure — I have never been a Klan member, and I have no plans to join –, since Don Black says it’s an online version of the KKK, it seems the religious amongst the pro-White activists are mostly CI and pagan.

        The Klan has had several incarnations. Originally, it was founded to protect white Southerners during the Radical Reconstruction; Jews were permitted to join, and Simon Baruch, Bernard Baruch’s father, was a founding member, so I don’t see how Christian it could have been. The second incarnation involved a lot of Freemasons, and it was mostly anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish, with an anti-Black element also. The current version involves skinheads (even if it’s nominally Christian), who are usually not too big on Christianity. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a future incarnation that dispensed with the Christian trappings altogether, especially since so many Christians these days aren’t of pure White European descent, which is one reason many people on the Right don’t like Christianity.

      • You’re a racist – you are by definition nuts. You think anyone, even the radicals here, will pay you any mind? Not in a million lynchings.

      • Truly it has not changed you are right. Not a single thing. And that is exactly as they want it to be, which actually says quite a lot doesn’t it lol!

        You cannot speak out against islam. You will be punished, you will be put in prison, you may even be killed. One is not to speak against muhammed, that means death in islam. It’s not just talk, it is enforced in the ME totally. Some life those muslims have no?

      • For the majority of them it’s a life they would choose. Most of them agree that speaking against their prophet or changing religion deserves beheading. They don’t want to do it themselves but they’re fine with someone else doing it. In the mid east, that’s what passes for moderate. Under that kind of totalitarianism, the brainwashing is extensive and thorough.

      • Firstly – if Sharia is a right-wing political construct as you proclaim then why in the name of all that is sacred are you not fighting against it as you do every other thing that is right wing? Sharia is islam, islam is sharia – you cannot separate the two. You fight for islam and yet call sharia right wing political contruct – you are confusing yourself.

        Second – know this: speaking out against sharia is speaking out against islam – ALL OF ISLAM. Stop making yourself a hypocrite RedStateJoe.

      • I’m not fighting for Islam, nor am I fighting for Sharia.

        Truth matters. If you want to discuss things with me, it’s important that you accurately represent my claims. You don’t have to disagree with me, not at all, but you do need to demonstrate that you understand my point if you expect to discuss it.

        I assure you I will do the same for your arguments.

        I oppose radical Islam. I oppose any effort to impose Sharia law on the US – fortunately, that hasn’t happened here, at all, anywhere.

        What is the definition of the right wing of the political spectrum. Use the definition that political scientists use, not the self-serving one the wingnuts have tossed out where tyranny is on the left and freedom is on the right. That’s a joke and I am sure you know it. The wingnuts on both ends, L and R, lead to tyranny.

        So, define right-wing and then explain why ISIS is not a right-wing movement.

      • No one is interested in your claims.
        Your “claims” are just leftist talking points.
        Propaganda, meant to take people’s eyes off of the truth about Islam, and the atrocities committed in the name of Allah name all across the world.

      • Your mistake is to try and place westernized terminology onto islam due to your lack of in depth understanding of the islamic mind and position in our world.

        Islam has no right or left or somewhere between. You try to place your liberal minded thinking into islam and it doesn’t work.

        Truth matters and so does reality. YOU will have to understand that there is no difference in radical, moderate, sharia – it is all islam. That’s the baseline of truth.

        Islam is a political ideology veiled as a religion – islam’s politics are based on the life of muhammed, something you have yet to understand.

        Islam and western civilization/westernized politics are two very distinct things that are different. Go to the ME and you would see this. Key word, democracy. Islamic law is absolutely incompatible with democracy. Islam is a
        theocratic system with Allah alone at the top. Allah’s law is interpreted
        by a ruling body of clerics. All people are not treated equally, what don’t you understand about that. It is the truth.

        Islamic law is sharia. It is absolutely incompatible with democracy. That’s it.

        ISIS/radical islam/islam as a whole has nothing to do with “right-wing” – it is a political system immersed in a false religion that literally is the opposite of our political system.

      • yeah – I know all about you RedStateJoe, took the time to look in to you because I can 🙂

        anyway, your truth:

        you support constitutional religious freedom yes?

        but islam is not a religion, but we have been made to accept it as a religion, but it really isn’t. It is a political ideology that has religious touchpoints – it is more political

        Christians don’t have a christian court system
        islam has a court system called sharia, they want it everywhere, even if they have to fight to get it, they still want it everywhere, they have suceeded in GB to some extent. In the US they have already tried but failed, they will keep trying, that’s what islam does.

        Buddhists don’t have a buddhists court next to the US courts

        Hindus don’t have a hindu court next to our US courts

        what other “religion” has their court of law?

        what other ways does islam not fit into religion? ask yourself, come up with some answers.

        Now what about when the religion breaks the law? do they still get to hide behind the us constitution? Is that ok with you?

      • You’re lying. One, Christians do have a court system. In the Catholic tradition we call it the Code of Canon Law. Two, as the Pew poll demonstrated, most Muslims do NOT want Sharia applied to non-Muslims.

        Don’t just make a naked claim that Islam is not a religion. Define what a religion is and then show, if you can, that Islam does not comply with that definition.

        Until then, you just sound like a loon.

      • Where in the Bible do you find the code of cannon law? If Catholic tradition goes against the teachings of the Bible, it is no law at all. It’s nothing more than man made religion. Idolatry.

        Islam is a religion, a false religion.

      • Disputes over the laws of religious traditions have sometimes made their way to US civil courts. The Supreme Court consistently has ruled that judges and other government officials may not interpret religious doctrine or rule on theological matters. Sharia law would be throw out of our US judicial system.

        You misstate what I meant. There are no separate courts for Buddhists or Catholics or Quakers. With sharia there would be a separate court. I am not lying about anything. I do not have to lie and further more you already know I do not give a FCK that you think I am. Stop being stupid.

        OF COURSE most muslims don’t want sharia placed on the kafirs. We have no standing with muslims. You still do not understand what you are to a muslim. They want sharia law into judicial systems for themselves not for non-believers. In sharia law a non believer has no rights. Sharia is for muslims who want you to convert to islam so that sharia can rule your life.

        Islam wants YOU to think it is a religion. It is a cult. A cult’s followers and members swear an allegiance to and worship in total submission to an unknown deity, or to a made-up god-like figure invented to further someone’s personal ambitions. In islam that person is mohammad. The quran is based on mohammad’s personal whims and life and his made up revelations that were never authenticated in any way. Only mohammad himself said what happened, there were no witnesses, there were no miracles, there was nothing except a man who wanted more out of life and inspired by satan lied to the world for his own personal gain, again and again throughout his life. He was only a man, and he was demonized as a child and remained so into adulthood. If you study his biography and the historical records of his life put forth by islam’s own text you will learn this. Of course many muslims will deny this naturally, and even more have literally no knowledge of it as they simply follow islam blindly in submission. NO true religion instructs its followers to kill in God’s name,
        but many a cult instructs its followers to kill in the name of their
        leader. Such is the case with the cult known as islam. And please notice I said INSTRUCT OR AS IN ISLAM COMMAND.

        I will not educate you on this. You must do this yourself. I spent years in study of islamic history. It is simply too much to relay to your in this forum. If you want to know the truth you will have to seek it out. Islam is not a religion and it never was.

        I truly regret to inform you until you decide to learn, you just sound like a loon 🙂

      • Sharia law doesn’t exist in the US legal system other than in arbitration and mediation, which is known as alternative dispute resolution. It’s nothing new … we’ve done it for centuries for other faiths. We do allow Catholic-based arbitration, Jewish-based arbitration and Quaker-based arbitration. If you didn’t know that, then maybe you need to learn a bit more about the law. The term of art is “alternative dispute resolution.” Before cursing in ignorance, you need to be a bit of an autodidact.

        First you complained that Muslims want to impose Sharia, then when confronted with the polling that shows that isn’t true, you claim that is because to Muslims we have no standing with them. The term of art for this is “confirmation bias.”

        Have you had any sincere discussions with Muslims? Do you have any friends that are Muslims? Who taught you these wicked things you ascribe to them? Get out of the bubble.

      • right – I already know all that, but thanks

        arbitration and mediation is not court. yes it is called dispute resolution, it happens as a way to avoid going to court, therefore it is NOT court.

        Sharia law injected into our legal system is a goal of islam. Hash it out with yourself however you want. LOL.

        The entire ideal of an Islamic state rests on the discrimination of muslims and non-muslims. There are many things to know about sharia law, far to many to go into here with you. But a good example is that you as a non-muslim cannot testify against a muslim in a sharia court. Your oath as a non muslim is not recognized in a sharia court. Any testimony you would happen to be able to make would basically mean nothing in a sharia court. According to the Shari`a,
        a Zimmi is not even qualified to be under oath. Your testimony is not accepted because Allah said: `God will not let the infidels (kafir)
        have an upper hand over the believers’.” I am so sorry, but you just don’t know anything about sharia court.

        I have spent months on end in close quarters with muslims lol. A very few I considered friends, only one was a trusted friend.

        A sincere discussion with a muslim is an unusual thought coming from my experience and environment although there are exceptions depending on the circumstances. You are a civilian and have a different experience.

      • “Sharia is a right-wing political construct. Strict adherence to
        religion, slow to change, conservative, pro-death penalty, opposes
        abortion, believes the woman is sub-servant to the man.”

        A day ago that was your comment. You brought up sharia law as if you know anything about it. That’s what I am responding to.

        Damn right sharia laws don’t exist in America. The intent is to keep it that way. States have had to go into legislation to specifically keep sharia law out of our court systems because muslims have and will continue to try and bring it in.

        But you don’t know anything about all that – you have your head in the sand and occasionally pop it up to bleat out about religious freedom.

        When does religious freedom turn into religious intimidation? Don’t answer me, ask that to yourself.

        A “Muslim American” is an oxymoron. I know that idea is disturbing for you – sorry you don’t have the intestinal fortitude to face up to the facts.

        I ask you – what other group of people, what other “religion” immigrates to a country and starts trying to insert their laws into our courts?

        Have you always been so naive?

      • Well said, but whether he/she/it is a Marxist, a jihadist, or both, he/she/it will never stop obfuscating. But look on the bright side: If this scumbag wants to spend this much effort trying to make you look bad, you must be doing something right! 🙂

      • I raise my glass to you! Yes it is exactly what he does with his relentless obfuscating. He never just answers me as to what I put to him, but just tries to confound as much as possible. And yet he will never best me 🙂 What he does not know is that he is actually a lightweight. I have dealt with those a thousand times his effort. In the end, he goes away still unable to answer what I have put to him.

        You have exactly the attitude that I love – thank you. I must be doing something right to make him keep coming back for more and more.

        Take Care.

  5. I would heartily encourage everyone to start educating themselves:

    To all: watch these when you have time, and then begin to learn the truth about islam. Learn about historical islam to understand islam today. Many in the west don’t know anything about islam and just believe what you have been told by liberals. If you love our country, learn what is happening. Look at Europe, especially look at islamic immigration in France and Sweden.

    you are a kafir, known who you are to islam unbeliever
    http://youtu.be/_KAkdrb4sHI

    why we are where we are at today re islam
    http://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y

    the crusades vs islamic jihad
    http://youtu.be/I_To-cV94Bo

    Those critical of islam are not “loons” – deep inside every liberal is an abject refusal to recognize their own demise by way of islam. They simply refuse to accept that what islam is doing in Europe and what it wants to do in the US is a full scale offensive against our western way of life. We all wish it were not true, but it must be said – it is the truth. Educate yourself and ignore liberal progressive left thinking while you do. In fact you must in order to accept the truth of islam. I am deeply sorry to have to say what I know to be true and would and have put my life on it. Do not be deceived.

    • Some critical of Islam most certainly are loons. The ones that lie, use poor logic and want to eradicate the religion and kill all its followers most assuredly are loons.

      West and Wood are loons.

      Others, however, can be far more compelling in their criticism of Islam without being loony.

      Why follow West and Wood, guys known as radicals that even pro-Jewish groups think are hateful when there are intelligent, truthful people you could follow?

      • Then there are stone cold dimwitted slime like yourself who rationaLIEze that we should ignore the fact that the face of Islam is now that of a terrorist cutting off a child’s head. That just because these psychopaths are Muslim and are cutting people into pieces because they are not them, we should ignore the fat that this is about Islam. Then tell me azzho’. If this isn’t about Islam, who the hell is it about?

      • That’s the face you choose, because you want a religious war. The rest of us see a religion where the overwhelming majority are peaceful.

        Scared people often only focus on that which frightens them. You want to live your life staring at the closet door, petrified that an evil clown will jump out? That’s on you. The rest of us will lead full and happy lives.

      • Hey stupid. Even by your own admission, there are between 112,000,000 and 320,000,000 terrorists worldwide [radicalized]. So how would you feel if between 33% and 100% of the USA was radicalized Muslims? Math is fun, ain’t it dope? And if this topic is of no importance to you, stay off the threads.

      • Please everyone give RedStateJoe a break! He is just doing his job! He is on welfare, receiving foodstamps, free medical care, etc. and receives grant money also, to stay on the computer and type his boring drivel, trying to inflame people and blame America for everything! There are thousands, if not more, people like him that are paid (and receiving welfare benefits) to make dumb comments like his. It is a game to them! And most of the time they try to use American sounding names! You have been outed “Joe”!!!

      • A good Catholic girl like you should know better than to break the 9th commandment. You better get right with Jesus.

      • A god catholic boy like you should know you can’t be a muslim and a catholic at the same time and furthermore I think you are a phoney. I know all about you.

        a good catholic boy like you should be getting down on your own knees – you seriously need some guidance lol

      • lol yes I do. . . .but it’s all safe with me 😉

        I know you said you are catholic. You mock Jesus so no you are not right with him,but pls do so, that is a warning to you. . .

        Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. Galatians 6:7

      • You need to go read the bible. Repentance and faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. You can hail Mary until the 2nd coming, but only Christ can absolve you of your sins.

      • Don’t worry about my salvation. Worry about your own. I am a Christian and although I love Catholics and Catholic priests, I simply have no need for them, but they have made great friends in my past. I have only one Father and he is no man. Half of my beloved family are Catholics, I know all about you 🙂 bless your souls.

        You are the one who really needs to go talk to one.

        But beyond that you need to understand islam which does not recognize our Lord as the Messiah and does not affirm that he died on the cross and does not recognize his resurrection. Three strikes, you’re out.

        Islam has bastardized everything holy of Christianity. It is an abomination to God. I pray those in islam come away from it, and that is what you do not understand. Muslims are people, islam is the thing that has molested them. It is islam that needs to go and it is the people that need to come away and be saved from it one way or the other. A great many muslims leave islam once they realize what it is, from all over the world. Islam is nothing short of a living death, and then forever damnation after death.

        Go speak with your priest on this. But before you do that go and learn for yourself what islam thinks about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

        You can scream religious freedom all you want but there is law that is above the law of man and that is the law of God. There are several dimensions to the problem of islam and all must be understood.

      • muslims do not believe Jesus died on the cross – look it up and learn something. As a catholic this should at the least intrigue you and at the most make you understand how very jacked up islam is

      • LOL been talking to him for a while off and on – always head to head.

        He says he is a conservative, but he talks like a liberal, claims he’s a catholic, but puts out for islam – he is just all jacked up. I mean what the H?

      • The only ones who want a religious war is ISLAM, if you knew anything about islam you would see this. There is a thing called defense. We do not want a religious war, they do. It is the very foundation of islam, conquer and expand. It is historical. Why can’t you just please learn the historical facts of islam and then understand that their ideals have not changed in 14 centuries.

      • West, Wood and others that West has associated himself with desperately want a religious war.

        The overwhelming majority of Islamic leaders have condemned ISIS, have condemned Radical Islam, and want nothing more than to live in peace and pluralism.

        Islam is not your enemy, radical Islam is.

        Christianity is not you enemy, radical Christianity is.

        (You do know, don’t you, that Christian terrorists have killed more Americans in America than Muslim Americans have, yes?)

      • [[ West, Wood and others that West has associated himself with desperately want a religious war ]]

        Riiiiiiiight. How dare they point out your slimy pals killing children.

      • The overwhelming majority of Islamic leaders are devout Moslems, who lie when they believe it furthers Islamic interests:
        http://goo.gl/PLVMVv

        They are waging war against us. Why shouldn’t we wage war against them? As for “Christian terrorists”, are you referring to Timothy McVeigh? Theodore Kaczynski? Here’s a comparison of the Oklahoma City bombing to 9/11 (which I believe could and should have been prevented, whether through greater competence or greater motivation to protect those who fell victim to the towelheads): http://goo.gl/V72bH6

        I can’t tell if you’re a jihadist or a Marxist (if the latter, probably of the Jewish persuasion). In any case, you are quite disgusting.

      • Google “confirmation bias” and “cognitive dissonance.”

        First the radical right whines that no Muslims are standing up to ISIS (even as they engage in a hot war against them) and then when that lie is proven wrong, they claim that the Muslems are lying about standing up to ISIS.

        When you contort all data to match your preconceived notions, that not called thinking, that’s called hiding.

      • It is rather you who suffers from confirmation bias: Faced with a cult that promotes institutionalized lying, murder, rape, and theft, you blame the “radical right” for denying the virtues of “diversity”. That’s called “contort[ing] all data to match your preconceived notions” — not that I think you’re capable of realizing that.

      • I never mentioned diversity.

        I cite the Constitution when facing down those who oppose religious freedom. I’ll join anyone in a fight against radical Islam. I just draw the line at being a coward and declaring that all of Islam is bad with it clearly isn’t.

        1.4 billion peaceful Muslims, 40 Islamic countries that have no issues with Radical Islam.

        I don’t blame the Christians for the KKK nor for the White Supremist, each who claim a Christian Identity and Christian imperative.

        I also don’t blame Islam for the acts of its radicals.

        Do you finally understand?

        Punish the wicked, leave free the innocent. Why does that scare you so much?

      • I used “diversity” because it is a standard term that sums up your argument (i.e., it is my paraphrase), and I put it in quotes because I don’t want readers to think that I condone it. As you didn’t use the word, I have removed the quotes. Since you are arguing that Mohammedans are peaceful and there is no War on Whites, it seems fairly clear you support the “diversity” agenda.

        40 Islamic countries “have no issues with Radical Islam”? Which ones? I think you mean they “don’t take issue with Radical Islam”, or else you’re lying. I’m more interested in whether or not they take issue with non-Islamic countries, and, if so, what they plan to do to the non-Moslems in them.

        You really should blame Islam for the acts of its “radicals”; they are simply imitating the lives of the early Moslems, much as devout Christians often seek to imitate Jesus, the Apostles, and (especially in the case of the Orthodox) the Church Fathers.

        As for “punish[ing] the wicked and leav[ing] free the innocent”, it sounds good in theory, but it all depends on who is deciding who is wicked and who is innocent. It’s very clear that, like any other Leftist, you have more of a problem with people who complain about Islam or the war on Whites than you do with the Islam or the war on Whites.

      • You don’t know what diversity means if you think I am arguing it.

        I’m arguing good old fashioned religious freedom.

        You’re a racist. You want a race war, or even sillier think one is already here, so you’ll turn and twist everything into an attacks on whites.

        The good news is that you’ll never, ever get the race war you long for. Never. Sit back, let the adults do the work. Your time for lynching has passed. You were born too late.

      • BTW: ISIS is a right-wing organization. Communist don’t like any religion, they sure as heck don’t want a caliphate. Where do you get these bat-stuff ideas?

      • What makes you think Western secular notions of “Left” and “Right” apply to jihad? It is a non-negotiable tenet of Islam. Non-Khomeinist Shia are less dangerous to kuffar, because they believe jihad will resume with the return of the Hidden Imam, which doesn’t seem to likely to me as a non-Moslem. The majority of Moslems engaging in a full-scale hot war against IS are Shia, because IS is Sunni, and murders Shia given the opportunity. Bashar al-Assad, who has been the most pro-Christian of current Moslem leaders, rightly sees IS as a mortal threat. So do the Iranians. There is currently a very active Shia jihad in Syria: http://goo.gl/bsJzRB However, many Saudis support IS, even though IS is opposed to the Saudi monarchy. They like the idea of a revived Sunni caliphate, and many Saudis feel the House of Saud does not take religion seriously enough.

        There is also a racial aspect: If IS likes murdering Kurds (as indeed it does), even though they are Sunni, why won’t they murder the closely related Persians, who are likewise Aryan? And I wouldn’t call the IS-sympathizing Black convert to Islam who attacked white NYPD officers with an ax because he “wanted white people to pay” for slavery a “right-winger”.

        With respect to your other post about the Islamic scholars who supposedly reject IS, the short answer is that the ones who matter don’t, and that a large proportion of the ones who claim to be — especially those in the West, who try to claim IS is un-Islamic, even as Sunni jihadists from around the world pledge fealty to it — may well be lying. Some say the Middle East has been turning against “religious extremism”, but the religious leaders show no sign of stopping the jihad: http://goo.gl/oYr3tO

      • It’s a political spectrum. Theocracies are almost always on the far-right. ISIS wants a theocracy, ISIS is on the far-right.

        You are absolutely wrong on the “majority of Muslims” engaging in a full-scale hot war. Utter BS. There are 48 Islamic countries. 7 or 8 have a problem with radicals. Do the math.

      • I didn’t write that the majority of Moslems were engaging in a full-scale hot war; I wrote that the majority of Moslems engaging in a full-scale hot war against IS are Shia. Read what I write before you leap to the defense of the Mohammedans.

        Which Islamic countries don’t have problems with “radicals”? How many non-Islamic countries have problems with “radical Moslems”? How many “peaceful Muslims” can become radicalized without warning (as has happened with numerous atheists who suddenly converted to Islam and became jihadists or married them)?

      • It’s the recent coverts that, actually, you do need to look out for. As social scientist in the UK determined, most acts of radical terrorism are done by recent converts who don’t truly understand Islam.

        Between 7 and 20 percent of Muslims have been radicalized, and they are largely defined by geography, confined to certain quarters. In other words, you needn’t worry about them getting you in your sleep. In the US, you’re more likely to be harmed & killed by a Christian Terrorist than a Muslim. Even since 9/11, most acts of terrorism have been performed by non-Muslims.

        Know this – you will never, ever get your race war because the horrible things you secretly hope for — the dirty bombs in the cities, etc — will never happen. When your buddy blew up the OK Fed building, he was dreaming of a revolution. He failed. You will fail as well.

      • Oh, I see — the non-White Moslems like the Pashtuns, the Saudis, and the Somalis aren’t dangerous. It’s those evil Western converts who misinterpret the words of the peaceful mystic Mohammed that we need to watch out for. Do you think 9/11 was carried out by Americans?

        I don’t want dirty bombs in the cities. I wouldn’t need them to get a race war if I wanted one, because I already have one, and I don’t like it. Timothy McVeigh was right that the federal government is overbearing, a sentiment shared by many American conservatives and libertarians, but I don’t see any justification for blowing up federal buildings over it — thereby murdering civilians, when his objection to the federal government was supposedly its homicidal behavior at Waco and Ruby Ridge –, just as most American conservatives and libertarians don’t believe in violent revolution. (Perhaps our counterrevolutionary, honest nature is a strategic weakness; most of us are capable of radicalism only insofar as we may want to roll back certain economic and social changes we find undesirable. I’m not expecting great things from the new Republican Congress, because it was brainwashed in the same schools as the Democrats.)

        I don’t believe that I am “more likely to be harmed & killed by a Christian Terrorist than a Muslim”, unless you mean a Black flash mob waging the War on Whites, which you insist doesn’t exist.

      • When you feel the need to lie about what I wrote, and then argue against what you wished I would have written as if I had … that’s called using a strawman and it’s symbolic of a small mind.

        Try again?

      • No he does not want a religious war – Islam is that which demands and commands a religious war – have you still not taken the time to study historic islam – will you please learn!
        It is islam that calls for holy war on everyone!

      • Who wants a war you clod? THEY do! Who the hell is running across the ME tying to reestablish borders from 700 years ago you moron? Who is going around cutting heads off if you will not swear allegiance to what they believe? YOU said there are ‘ONLY 7 to 20% of radicalized Muslims. So I’ll ask you again fool. Are you okay with between 112,000,000 and 320,000,000 terrorists? It’s a simple question even for you.

        [[ The rest of us see a religion where the overwhelming majority are peaceful.]]

        As you stick your heads up your azz ignoring the 320,000,000 terrorists.

        [[ Scared people often only focus on that which frightens them.]]

        And ignorant fools ignore the fact that there are 320,000,000 people who would like to kill you for what you believe. Now if you’re fine with your filthy friends cutting kid’s heads off, say so.

      • It’s about deflection. Don’t let them do it. Keep presenting Islam in its own words, there’s no need for opinion. The bigotry speaks for itself.

        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” 

        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority

      • How is listening to what someone has to say and evaluating the evidence for yourself “following?”
        I’m sure there are some people who blindly follow, but you make a pretty large generalization when you say “following.”

        Also, it is not “criticizing” to present the facts about the history of Islam, that incidentally, were written by Muslims!

      • When I comment on “following” I am writing to those who are “following.” I read West’s crap everyday, and as should be clear to any ordinary reader of the English language, I am not a follower.

        Pay attention to what I write, not what you wish I would have written.

      • Ironically… I was speaking about you generalizing other people as followers. Perhaps you should take some of your own advice and pay attention to what is written, rather than being more concerned about preconceived insults or slights made against you.

      • Yes, Red State Joe, stick to the subject. What EXACTLY is wrong in the FACTUALITY of the pamphlet? Is there even one thought in the pamphlet that is INACCURATE?

      • Your post makes no sense, but nice try. Read the post to which you are responding, or have it read to you by someone. You’ll see how wrong you are.

      • DEFLECTION FAIL.

        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” 

        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority

      • ‘Follow’ this Tariq. You are on record as having dismissed radical Muslims because they ONLY account for 7 to 20% of Muslims. You excuse terrorism.

      • Why do you feel the need to lie so much? Use the truth to construct your arguments. If your position has merit, the truth will support it. Why would you want to cling so desperately to positions that require you to live a life of deceit?

      • Hey moron. Did YOU not say that 7% to 20% of Muslims are radicalized? Now be a good boy and do the math. What is 7% of 1,600,000,000 and what is 20% of 1,600,000,000?

      • The math is fine. You use a calculator well. It’s what you did with the math that was a lie.

        You know you’re nothing but a lying piece of anti-American filth. You see it every time you look in a mirror, if you have the courage to do that any more.

      • So according to your waffling idiocy, my math as applied to your own percentages is a lie? How does it feel to know that you are now stupidly arguing with your own numbers fool?

      • You didn’t minimize Muslim terrorists by saying it ‘only’ represents up to 300,000,000 of them? Do you ever read your posts before posting them?

      • Red State Joe is a hothead. He is also unable to read the many messages from David Wood and Allan West in favor of universal human rights. Criticizing a theocratic, fascist political system like Islam is not ‘loony’; it’s the defense of democracy and pluralism.

        I guess Red State Joe opposes pluralism, free speech and democracy. 60% of Muslims oppose free speech and pluralism. As we saw in Nazi Germany, ordinary people do evil when they are instructed to do so by an evil ideology.
        Political Islam is being implemented by ISIS, Iran and Saudi Arabia. The IDEOLOGY is the problem and must be criticized and purged from the world…just as we purged Nazism. Fighting jihadists may be part of the struggle for universal human rights.

      • Odd, you want universal human rights, except for those you don’t like, then they get no human rights, they get bullets …

        Your logic is a joke, as are your assumptions.

      • There is a difference in wanting universal rights and allowing those who want to take that away from more than half the population, ie.. women. If they are really such a “good” group of people we should follow, why do they wish the death of those who do not follow them.. I do not wish their death, but I do not want their ideology forced upon me or others… if something is wrong.. such as Nazism, then it must be eradicated… We did not kill all the Germans but we did do much to lessen the impact of Social Nationalism.

      • There are 48 Muslim nations. Eight of them have had Women leaders. That’s eight more than the US has had. Who hates women?

        I join you in opposing radical Islam, but stop short in your desire to eradicate all of Islam. If you would stop lying about what Islam truly is, you’d gain more support.

      • Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” 

        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority

      • He can’t and so he won’t. I have asked him to defend islam before and he never replies because there is no defending islam – the quran is there, the words are there, the context is understood, and the meaning can’t be changed.

        He can’t explain it because the words of the quran are what they are – he just ignores them and moves on to supporting religious freedom even though at the same time that means supporting child rape, domestic violence, and human rights nightmares – just can’t really defend that, don’t expect an answer to your question for him to explain the verses in the quran that command violence. He can’t explain them.

      • 90. And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. 191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid Al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. 192. But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and the religion (all and every kind of worship) is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimin (the polytheists and wrongdoers).

        The Command to fight Those Who fight Muslims and killing Them wherever They are found

        Abu Ja`far Ar-Razi said that Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that Abu Al-`Aliyah commented on what Allah said:

        (And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you,)

        Abu Al-`Aliyah said, “This was the first Ayah about fighting that was revealed in Al-Madinah. Ever since it was revealed, Allah’s Messenger used to fight only those who fought him and avoid non-combatants. Later, Surat Bara’ah (chapter 9 in the Qur’an) was revealed.” `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam said similarly, then he said that this was later abrogated by the Ayah:

        (then kill them wherever you find them) (9:5).

        However, this statement is not plausible, because Allah’s statement:

        (…those who fight you) applies only to fighting the enemies who are engaged in fighting Islam and its people. So the Ayah means, `Fight those who fight you’, just as Allah said (in another Ayah):

        (…and fight against the Mushrikin collectively as they fight against you collectively.) (9:36)

        This is why Allah said later in the Ayah:

        (And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.) meaning, `Your energy should be spent on fighting them, just as their energy is spent on fighting you, and on expelling them from the areas from which they have expelled you, as a law of equality in punishment.’

        The Prohibition of mutilating the Dead and stealing from the captured Goods

        Allah said:

        (but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.)

        This Ayah means, `Fight for the sake of Allah and do not be transgressors,’ such as, by committing prohibitions. Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah), “includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit.” This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others. Muslim recorded in his Sahih that Buraydah narrated that Allah’s Messenger said:

        (Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal (from the captured goods), commit treachery, mutilate (the dead), or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship.)

        It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, “A woman was found dead during one of the Prophet’s battles and the Prophet then forbade killing women and children. ” There are many other Hadiths on this subject.

      • While not a Muslim myself, thank you for the verses and explaining them like you did. All things I wouldn’t hear from sites like this.

      • He will just say that you are “cropping” from the Quran. I viewed the 20/20 video and still feel that David Wood is right. Just look at what has happened in the last year and what continues to happen. These people are killing others just because they do not believe as they do. Muslims killing other Muslims????
        The ISIS Muslims are evil.

      • [[ Odd, you want universal human rights, except for those you don’t like,]]

        This poster, as well as others, dislike the over 300,000,000 terrorists, by your OWN admission that you shill for. Wipe the ISIS off your lips punk.

      • No, actually she dislikes the 1.4 billion peaceful Muslims as well, and wishes they be denied their right to freedom of religion, and, oh yea, if they don’t convert, then she wants them dead.

        Who does that remind you of?

      • LOL dumb azz! You dismissed radical Islam by saying that ‘only’ 7% to 20% were radicalized. So what is 20% of 1,600,000,000?

      • [[ Islam is for equal rights]]

        ……….until you disagree with them. Then off comes your head. Thanks for playing.

      • Tell me what part of my statement is incorrect. And let’s not forget the stonings, amputations and honor killings that your precious religion is known for. Idiot.

      • I’m not a terrorist. I don’t follow Wahabi-ism. Wahabi are a small group in Ahl Sunna wa Jammah. Most of the teachings are rejected. Aslo they are often compaired to the Khawarij. What about the importance of the hadith’s on these groups?

      • Yet here you are calling Christians names because they point out the 300,000,000 animals your religion has spawned.

      • Killing muslims and the eradication of a “religion” are two different things.

        That you call West and Wood loons is nothing more but your opinion.

        Post the others that are far more compelling with their criticism of islam or at least name these people that are critical of islam without being labeled loons. If you find these people so compelling how is it that you still try to defend islam?

      • Kafir from your definition is pre-islamic and in reference to farmers while planting. What a quaint meaning you bothered to share, thank you. However in this video, in my comment, in the entire meaning of this blog post the word kafir is a negative derogatory term equal if not worse to the “N” word. Bill Warner, PhD does a great job explaining what the word means.

        http://youtu.be/buGToaZ1Tls

      • Yes it can mean that. I prefer the deeper meaning. Like some one who covers over the truth, or covers over good deeds with bad deeds.

      • then you prefer the pre – islamic arabic definition which is irrelevant in this thread that is regarding islam. It is not a deeper meaning, it is an older definition before islam, approx 610 +/- AD.

        Read the quran, it defines it at length and devotes much to the kafir.

    • Maybe you should follow your own advice. You keep posting so called proof for your claim from apologetics like their the authority on Islam. To me that’s a twisted methodology of learning. Its like going to an English teacher to learn math.

  6. I would heartily encourage everyone to distribute the pamphlet above wherever they go. Just leave it especially in waiting rooms or transit where people will pick up and read a pamphlet about jihad! Most in our society have no clue about Islam’s supremacist political agenda.

  7. I haven’t watched the video yet, but I wanted to share an experience that I had last August. At my previous place of employment, all the area managers decided to have a meeting at the same time. I don’t know why they did this, which is like asking for something to happen while they were gone. And of course something did happen!
    A group of 4 people had been laughing and talking to each other, they had been doing this for 2 hours before this meeting. It was a black man from Africa, a white guy, and an American black guy, all 3 were in college. They had been joined by a Spanish woman.This Spanish woman had spent the past several weeks willingly, on her own, seeking these 3 guys out (they all worked together) to chat and laugh with. When all the area managers were gone for their meeting, this same Spanish woman did a 180 and completely turned evil. She started yelling as loud as she could, telling the white guy that he “was going down” and that she was tired of him. She said that he had been really laughing AT HER instead of with her and that she was going to “slam” him down so hard that he wouldn’t be able to get back up again. Then she started yelling at other Spanish guys, black guys, and self identified Muslim men (she was one of those women that mostly talked to men, she didn’t like most women) and asked them if they knew what was going to happen soon. She stated that it couldn’t happen soon enough and she didn’t know why it could only happen on a certain date. She said that everyone was going to be dead and that she was “so happy” about it. She said,” Everyone here thinks that I like them but I don’t, I can’t stand them! I can’t wait until all of them are dead, especially……” and then she named two specific people there. She also kept yelling, “You know what is going to happen, right? You are stupid if you don’t know this already!” Apparently, everyone was supposed to die because Muslims all around the world were supposed to kill everyone and cause as much damage as they could after Ramadan was over. Like I said this happened in August, I think the middle of it. It was supposedly coordinated so that every Muslim stopped the Ramadan holiday at the same time and the massacre worldwide was supposed to start the day after. But, nobody could agree when to stop their holiday, and the Muslims around the world stopped it on different days. They do this by the cycles of the moon, and of course everyone was seeing something different from the moon. (Duh!) I heard later from a Muslim that the Muslim community stated that they were going to use computers next time so that they would be dealing with facts, not human presumption. So anyway, this woman was screaming about this event supposedly happening, and that even though the Muslims were doing this, black people and Spanish people were supposed to help them do this. This was why she wasn’t talking to white people, just yelling at them, and she was only talking to Spanish and black men. When she was yelling at the group of guys that she was talking to, (1 white guy, 2 black men), she was yelling at them because they were all in college, and she made fun of that. She acted like the American black guy was an “Uncle Tom”, and the other black guy from Africa, did not say a single word to her when she started yelling at them. I found out later that he was a Muslim, and he of course defended her. She also yelled about using the 6 basic scams that almost every illegal immigrant takes advantage of, she said people were stupid if they didn’t use them. She said that she was using a fake ID and that if America knew who she really was, that she would be deported immediately, if not incarcerated first. Nobody else said anything about this except me, I had to write out a statement for HR for their “investigation”. They put this woman on unpaid suspension for 3 days while they did this. HR told me that they couldn’t find anything to back up my story, (so basically I was lying). This place has cameras, so I asked them if they hadn’t seen me on camera running around trying to find the area managers when this first started happening. HR yelled at me that I better not have been running, like yeah, you made the whole thing up, but don’t run, it’s a safety issue. So I got in trouble for running when an emergency was happening, but nothing happened to her. This woman was brought back to work , which had been side to side with me, and we had to consult each other every day about our job. She hadn’t known who told on her, but she kept whining to people that she hadn’t done anything that I had reported that she did, ( not everybody saw what happened, and those that had defended her) so some people sympathized with her and told her it was me. She then made up stories about me, made fun of me and created all kinds of problems for me. People would make snide remarks about how I hated Muslims and wanted them out of there for no reason. This woman was finally fired because she kept repeating incidents along the same lines as this one, just not yelling as loud as she did this time. After the supposed 3rd time they told her that she was in the middle of too many confusing incidents, where she was accused of something and she claimed to be an innocent bystander. This is how troublemakers, especially Muslims, operate. So, are non Muslims going to be killed after another Ramadan, after they sync everything at the same time so the massacre happens at the same time around the world?

    • Interesting. Yes muslims play the victim, expect it.

      You should report her to the FBI. https://tips.fbi.gov/

      She was talking about terrorist activity, she was admitting she is in this country under false ID and said she would be deported if her true ID was known. Although the incident happened months ago and she has since been fired from the job, the information is still very relevant to law enforcement intelligence/counter terrorism efforts.

      If you don’t want to report via the website online, call your local FBI and arrange a meeting to report the whole incident in person.

      That’s what you should do.

    • I meant to say that it happened last year in August. It happened in 2013. Thank you for the info! The place where I worked had a policy about not getting anyone else involved with anything that happened there. This place is huge in the United States and they love Obama! The head person with this corporation has had many meetings with Obama advertised in the press.

    • 2 points I’d like to make….

      Its interesting as you say in your post, that she started this “victim” issue as this is what the guy in the video talks about that happens in the 2nd phase of their jihad I believe…. People like her should be reported to the FBI, although I’m not so sure they really care anymore since being under Holder and have also turned a blind eye to terrorism here on our soil, calling it “work place violence” blah blah blah…

      Second point… PLEASE don’t write everything as one huge paragraph… normally I wouldn’t read it as it drives me crazy that a person won’t put their thoughts in an organized structure when writing. Most people will look at the length of the paragraph and say forget this… its too run on… and you will lose a lot of people who can use this information.

      At any rate, thank you for your information, it really goes along with what is said in the video.

      • Sorry, I tried to make paragraphs but for some reason it wouldn’t. I am using someone else’s computer, so I don’t know if that had anything to do with it ? I will really have to watch this video now, (I am busy right now) as I did not know about the “victim” aspect of it. I made this same comment several months after it happened, and they refused to print it. I made the same comment last week and the same place refused again. I didn’t realize when I made my 2nd comment that it was the same place as the first. It was a very admittedly liberal internet service. So I wasn’t even sure that it was going to be allowed this time.

      • Perhaps contacting your local authorities might help. She might just be someone looking for attention, but we never know now days as some of those who do that actually are the ones who will commit these acts or know of someone who will..

        Also, are you using copy/paste when you post? I found that if you do you have to go back and fix the format, it will separate the sentences and put huge gaps between paragraphs… It could also be the PC you are using but I doubt it. Some of these things are just funny that way.

  8. I watched this yesterday and it makes a lot of sense as you step back and think about how this is playing out. The explanation about Mecca and how they played the “victim” card to get people to feel sorry for them and “protect” them only to use that against them as they are doing that now around the world. It makes sense as to why so many of the “moderate Muslims” stay silent about what the so called radicals are doing, as these people continue to stay quiet, the threat grows bigger and bigger.

  9. Also, I have been wondering about this. Obama is a Muslim and he wants to make us a third world country. I know this to be fact. Is that why he is “redistributing the wealth”? Like, when we send aid to Africa, and the poor hardly get any of it because of the war lords there taking most of it. They fight anybody that tries to give it to the poor people that truly need it, and instead use the money, food, etc. to buy their weapons and recruit people to help them. Seriously, is Obama using the same mindset, that he has to take our money and say that he is using it for poor people and instead send it to Isis (which is what he is doing), but did he get that same idea from Africa, from terrorists?

    I thought about this when he demanded Obamacare be put in force, that “you have to pass it before you can read it”. He says that we are being “taxed” for Obamacare, but where is that money really going to? Why are we being charged sooo much? There are so many ways that he thinks of to take our money and we have NOTHING to show for it!

    We can’t help Israel, but we can help Isis.

      • He secretly yearned for his father – his father essentially left him behind, he was hurt and this was painful to the young BHO, he wanted to be his father just as many other young boys do. In many ways the yearning was even greater for BHO as his father was absent and therefore a mystery. Basic social work explains alot of it. His father was a muslim. In islam religion passes from father to son. This is the way of islam. He has a very special place in his heart for islam there is no denial to this.

      • His father was an atheist.

        You claim he wanted to be like his father. Here is what Obama thought of his father: “by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist.”

        For your pop psychology to work, you’d have to accuse Obama of being an atheist.

      • BHO -sigh- entire history is a lie as you know it and he has a rather disturbing family history, poor thing.

        Every boy needs his father. BHO had a father that did not want him. That is quite clear. He was just an accident. Shortly after his birth his father was gone. I pity BHO as a child.

        For a father to abandon his son – the result on the son is difficult to say the least for the boy. How sad it is.

        I am not talking “pop psychology” as you say – that is actually funny, I smiled with that 🙂

        Stop making impossible wild leaps. I would not have to “accuse” BHO of being an atheist to plainly see he comes from one jacked up “family” if you could even call it that.

        Call his father what you will, he was born a muslim, the muslim seed is passed to him and to his sons. It is simply a fact. No more than I can deny my native American seed. Regardless of what I am now, what I was, what I say I am, or what I will ever be in the future – I am a native American, it is the seed I came from.

        We cannot erase our heritage, no matter what we call ourselves.

      • No no my friend, don’t pretend to be a mind reader. I raised 8 sons in my house, 6 my own, yes I know – was I blessed or what 🙂 Two I took in adoption due to a family tragedy. Not going to fake it here – at time it really was like taking crazy pills. And much of the time I was both the father and the mother in the house as the father was in the war zone/deployed. And sometimes I was too.

        Anyway I only said what I said because I did have so many sons in my home. They all want their fathers, yearn for their fathers. Of course BHO did.

      • You are deluded if YOU do not realize that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim . . . AND a supporter of Muslim terrorists – – – why elese would his staff brag that they had pressured Netanyahu NOT to stop Iran development of a nuclear weapon? Why else did he save Hamas? Why did he apologize to the Muslims at the UN for the ‘disgusting video’ that HE claimed to the the reason the Benghazi embassy was attacked? Why did he ignore “ISIS” slaughter of Christians and Yezidis until public opinion forced him to do something? AND why has he NOT provided weapons directly to the Kurds? AND why is his ‘coalition’ launching so few airstrikes against ISIS? Compare that feeble effort with the hundreds of strikes a day to defend Kosovo against Serbians? AND why does he congratulate Erdogan on his election in Turkey, and then have NO harsh words when Turkey buys oil from ISIS . . . FOR that matter, WHY is Turkey (still) a member of NATO, while Israel is NOT? AND why does Barack Hussein Obama never angry with Muslims who crucify Christians and set out to eradicate them . . . while he is always livid with Israel . . . Israel that Kerry blames for the rise of ISIS!

      • You mean his name ISN’T Barack Hussein Obama? Everything I wrote can be verified – teplay the video of his swearing -in . . . replay nthe video of his apology to Muslims at the UN following the murder of American diplomats by Muslim terrorists . . . and replay his ‘anti-war’ speeches when the media was calling attention to the murder of Christians and Yezidis . . . and calculate how long it took him to do ANYTHING — and then check back on how long it took him to bomb the hell out of Libya to save the Islamic terrorists he supported there . . . DEBUNKED? Ha!

      • What if he is? Are you saying that being a Muslim is a bad thing? You left nuts are a joke. You defend Islam when people post about Islamic terrorism and defend the religion yet get highly defensive and upset when people say Obama is a Muslim. If Islam is such a great religion, why get upset when people say Obama is a Muslim?????? You friggin’ hypocrites out yourselves as religious bigots while claiming that WE are bigots.

      • He doesn’t wear a dunce cap that says “I Am The Worst Pos POTUS In History” but his ACTIONS say otherwise. Chew on that.

      • Thank you for your response. Actually I was referring to Redstate Joe who implied that O is not a Muslim.
        Sorry about that.
        Agreed he is the worst to hold the office of President in history.
        If he is NOT a Muslim, he has shown all kinds of signs that he is!

  10. Wow. What a video! I read a story once that said that Dracula wasn’t really a mean and scary man like he was made out to be. He had seen what the Muslims were doing to communities around him and he wanted to protect his family so he tried to think of a way to really scare them. He came up with putting Muslims impaled on poles in front of his castle to try to scare them away from his family. It wasn’t that he had a strange sadistic fetish for having a lot of occupied poles on the way to his house, he was warning the Muslims what would happen if they tried to force their way in to his home.

  11. Very good, Colonel! The unanswerable question is why Christians and Jews continue to support Obama . . . his devotion to Islamic extremists [a redundancy, where ARE the ‘Islamic moderates’ he keeps talking about?] is so obvious, and so threatening to the American way of life that I find it harder and harder to understand how ANY American can continue to ignore it. My continuing support and admiration – Steadfast and Loyal should be the battlecry for ALL patriotic Americans.

      • don’t waste your time – you seriously need to work on what you have going already cause it seriously sucks LOL – my first advice, lose your music choice, it is just plain stupid, only got about 30 seconds in and cut it off – totally amateurish.

      • oh I’m sorry – you posted the link then said you may start work soon on another – though it was yours lol

        good for you, it’s horrible.

      • You cut it off because you couldn’t stand to listen to any truth about Islam. You just need to hate so much. Bet you hate blacks to. Most Americans are racist and don’t even realize it.

      • I cut it off because it sucked. It was not well made I could see that immediately and made the decision to not waste my time on a poorly made video.

        So. . . . we are talking about islam here, but I bet if you try you can find a video/blog talking about blacks and racism.

        I can already tell that I do know more about islam from what you ever will just by your comments. No need to argue with you kiddo.

      • So since you know more about my religion, then you could explain the difference between Shi’a and Sunni. Im not referring to linguistic meanings but in other differences Also if a Muslim says “I follow the Salaf” what is that person saying?

      • LOL – how dare that Kafir say such a thing LMAO- What do you think your “religion” is unavailable for study to non-believers.

        As to your request to explain a basic little speck of knowledge about islam; There are many differences and in context of place in time, more than I would put here for your benefit lol- if you want an education you will have to go earn one yourself, however . . . .

        Briefly the differences started at the event of muhammed’s death and was political. Two ways, family or most qualified for leadership.

        Sunni won this dispute and had the lst caliph – Shi’a wanted leadership to pass to muhammed’s house, as in family regardless of their ability to be a leader.

        So first was political, then later political and religious practice.

        Surely you know your own historical beginnings? Is this a test LOL

      • “I follow the Salaf” a person who adheres to the salafi ideology, but also maybe we add to that students of the hadith if you like. In contemporary thought it is following the literal sacred “texts” as a simple explaination towards understanding your stated question what does it mean when someone says “I follow the Salaf”

      • Incorrect. If a Muslim says I follow the Salaf he or she is saying that they are doing their best to understand The Qran and Sunna as understood by the Prophet (as) and his companions understood them. But not only that but those 4 generations that followed after the prophet (as) commonly referred to as the Salafiya.( Rightly Guided Predecessors) so Salaf is a methodology.

        Im inclined to think you got your answer off wiki Islam or Google.

      • I am inclined to think you just want to argue diminutive differences in the definitions of words for you own edification and so that you can somehow make up for your lack of an impressive presence here representing islam.

        You whole question is arrogant, what does it mean when a person says “I follow the Salaf” and not only that quite boring once you start to pick it apart which of course one has to do if they are to give a proper explanation of it and also only if one wants to expose the hypocrisy of the entire mess.

        Should have given you the short answer to your question what does it mean: nothing 🙂

        A system of ideas and ideals is an ideology, of which the person who says “I follow the Salaf” is immersed into as they try their best to understand the qura and the sunna of 4 Gs from the “prophet” and call it the methodology, such as a discipline, a practice, an effort. . . . Salaf. . . .yes they follow lol

        What muslim is not on the book of the quran and the sunna? “allah” said you are called muslims so why call yourself salaf?

        It is the way of following the Salaf, in creed/belief, speech and
        actions, regardless of time or location. It is to understand and
        implement the religion as was understood and implemented by the Salaf. To follow it exactly to the best of ones ability, and to
        refrain from that which opposes it. Yes it must be said, it is more than a methodology and yes it must be said those that engage in the methodology also adhere to the ideology of islam.

        but by your definition, anyone could be salaf lol as long as they try to do their best to understand it LOL Even my dog, she is extremely smart and tries very hard to understand everything ROTF

      • My sister. I asked you that question simply to test your knowledge. You claimed to have knowledge of Islam. Which if I was a Wahhabi I would have just dismissed your claim and called you a kifr. The issue of Salafiya is a huge issue in Islam. The Salaf have had a huge influance Ahl Sunna.

      • I know you did and I was a no go 🙂 but I tried. Life is one big test isn’t it lol

        I do have knowledge of islam, could never be an expert and never claim to be – my heart is not in it to become an expert or I would be. I came to knowledge of islam through my first BA, then years later in advanced degree, and then through the military which continues/current. Much of what I know was through immersion into the culture in ME and other things best unsaid.

        You have opened up an interest for me with the huge issue of salafiya and I will now need to investigate further and gain more knowledge that is more specific so as not to fail a test in the future that may present to me at the most unexpected time.

        Anyway, thank you! I am glad we mended up our words, it feels much better to me anyway. I have a little fire in me no – lol!

      • Alot of what you wrote is correct about the Salaf. But I have to disagree with this part of your statement (What muslim is not on the book of the quran and the sunna? “allah” said you are called muslims so why call yourself salaf?) And also this (but by your definition, anyone could be salaf lol as long as they try to do their best to understand it LOL Even my dog, she is extremely smart and tries very hard to understand everything ROTF).

        Why I disagree isn’t important at this time. I will say the issue of Mathabs and following one is no light matter. For some Muslims this issue take them right out of the folds of Islam. They become what’s called a Fanatic.

      • Yes I think that is what I was thinking about is why do they seem to separate from islam.

        basic definition seems anyone could if they wanted to be salaf with the desire and effort

        i was just being a smart azz about my dog, but she is extremely smart I sometimes have to watch what I do teach her lol next thing I know she will take off in my vintage mustang 😉

        One could spent a lifetime in study of islam just like with Christianity or Buddhism for example.

        I wish all religions in the world and all people of faith or not could coexist, truly coexist.

      • To split up into sects is strictly forbidden in islam by Allah in Quran. The word use in Quran Is Shi’a or Partisans.

        We wish for the same things. I just don’t understand why Muslims and non Muslims can’t see what we wish for in the Sirah of Muhammad.(as)

      • note – I am sure you know a lot about your religion 🙂 – so do I and so do many many others. You can’t lie about it or present it to us as something that we know it is not by with your deceitful definitions and denials, we already know all about it, so just don’t even try.

        I said what I said because you attach yourself to a horrible amateurish presentation and then bitch about errors but won’t say what they are – what am I to think lol! But then you claim I am a racist and hate “blacks” – that is showing your ignorance and immaturity and quite literally has NOTHING to do with the discussion of the video or islam.

        SO AGAIN – if you have found errors in the video then present them as this is all I asked of you. If you can’t do that then you don’t know jack and are just sour grapes at someone being critical of islam. All religion gets criticized; either state the errors and correct and discuss them, or why bother?

      • Cropping of verses in Quran. Quoting it the same way the killers who are using to kill people are using it. This guy is an idiot he is too dumb to explain Islam in 30 mins.

      • to me cropping is done with graphics, not words, in my profession, have never heard anyone put it that way – pffft

      • Well in my profession I plant trees so I could care less what you call it because that’s what we are calling it. Isn’t that what you do to us with our religion.

      • well what ever the hell your profession is be it planting trees or flipping burgers, it’s irrelevant what you do – this video and my post is about islamic meaning of the derogatory work kafir. What I DEFINE it as is WHAT IT IS and it just plain does not matter if you like that or not. I am not “calling” it anything – it is what it is sweetie.

      • You’re the one who brought up their profession. I only stated mine in response. Which I take great pride in by the way. Just think by the time your dead gone and forgotten. This muslims trees are gonna be standing tall in America. Right next to the trees of his grandfather’s. I don’t care what you say or your opinions. They hold no weight with me. I love my religion my family and my land. Allahu Akbar

      • No that was you in your definition of Kafir. You failed to give complete definition and only gave the nice sounding part of Arabic pre-islamic meaning. You brought up profession, already you start with your lies lol.

        Define what Kafir means in this day and age – btw the quran devotes over half of itself to the kafir and how to deal with the kafir, non-believers. I think that is very interesting and quite telling.

      • I’m not following what you mean. If I made an error please don’t insult me by calling me a lair. I’m only human. its sufficient to just point out the error.

      • What a hypocritical chag-00f. All you have done here is call Wood names and offer no refutation of his arguments.

      • okay Raffy Xman, to crop as is to leave off a part
        I deal with a lot of digital media and crop to me is different. . .
        what did he crop off?

        As a standing rule, no matter the faith or religious text presented I always go to find it and verify, check and so on. . . that is if I have time and care enough lol

        On a scale of 1-10 I give his video a 6.5, just don’t like his overall semi-arrogant way – it’s just off putting ya know?

        Maybe cause I already know/have heard everything he says – gosh maybe I’m jaded lol

    • Bring the errors forward and let’s look at them and talk about them. Often times the personality is what people get put off over. Not saying this is what you have found to be the problem, but I really want to know Saith Shine what you have found to be in error. I really do.

      • Don’t need to look up anything myself lol – have studied islam extensively and islam historically.

        only replied to you because YOU said there were many errors but didn’t point any of them out – so I asked you to state them.

        I don’t need to look up jack for myself sweetheart – have a bitch’n night 🙂

        oh and do please comment where the errors are if you have time

      • From what source did you study Islam.. I don’t need to prove anything . David wood is a well known stooge.

      • Too many for me to list for you beyond it being not really any of your business lol – you are the one who found errors, either point them out or not and stop bitching.

      • You keep calling him a stooge yet are unable to make your case. It looks like YOU’RE the stooge here.

      • I can only “look it up myself” if you state the “many errors” you have found so I can “look it up myself” LOL

      • Regarding errors in video

        @ 0:45
        Surah 9:29 Deliberate quote out of context.

        The verse 9:29 is a command to fight the Byzantine Romans and other hostile powers who were planning an invasion against the Muslims in Arabia. In context, it is a distinct response to aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s ambassadors.

        Allah said:

        Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not acknowledge the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture, until they give the tribute willingly while they are humbled.

        Surah At-Tawba 9:29

        On the surface, this appears to be an open-ended command to fight non-Muslims until they are conquered. However, a fundamental principle of Quranic exegesis (tafseer) is that the verses must be understood in the context in which they were revealed (asbaban-nuzul) and in conjunction with other verses delineating the rules of warfare.

        At-Tabari and other commentators record that this verse was revealed concerning the expedition of Tabuk.

        At-Tabari records

        Mujahid reported concerning the verse, “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day…” that it was revealed when Muhammad and his companions were commanded with the expedition of Tabuk.

        Source: Tafseer At-Tabari 9:29

        The expedition of Tabuk was preceded by the battle of Mu’tah which began when the emissary of the Prophet was assassinated while delivering a letter to a Roman ally.

        Ibn Al-Qayyim writes:

        The cause of the battle was that the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, sent Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi of the tribe of Lihb with his letter to Syria for the Roman king or Busra. He presented it to Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani and he bound him and struck his neck. Never had an ambassador of the Messenger of Allah been killed besides him. The Prophet was upset by that when news reached him and he dispatched an expedition.

        Source: Zaad Al-Ma’ad 336

        Safiur Rahman writes:

        The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, had sent Al-Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi on an errand to carry a letter to the ruler of Busra. On his way, he was intercepted by Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani, the governor of Al-Balqa and a close ally to Caesar, the Byzantine Emperor. Al-Harith was tied and beheaded by Al-Ghassani.

        Source: The Sealed Nectar p. 245

        This was the first act of Roman aggression that further led to the expedition of Tabuk concerning which the verse 9:29 was revealed. The verse describes the aggressors as those “who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day,” because they committed this act of treachery. Executing emissaries from other countries is a war crime that could never be committed by those who sincerely believe in God.

        Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

        There is no faith for one who cannot be trusted. There is no religion for one who cannot uphold a covenant.

        Source: Musnad Ahmad 11975, Grade: Hasan

        @1:10
        Claim: Muslims demand freedom of religion in the west

        He is playing with words to make this seem like a bad think. This should raise and eyebrow to his character and intent.

        The United States constitution demands the same!

        The Quran is the only religious text clearly state freedom of religion. Unlike the bible:
        Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

        Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

        No Compulsion in Religion

        The Holy Quran altogether excludes compulsion from the sphere of religion. It lays down in the clearest words:

        “There is no compulsion in religion — the right way is indeed clearly distinct from error.”— 2:256

        In fact, the Holy Quran is full of statements showing that belief in this or that religion is a person’s own concern, and that he is given the choice of adopting one way or another. If he accepts the truth, it is for his own good, and that, if he sticks to error, it is to his own detriment. Some quotations to this effect are given below:

        “The Truth is from your Lord; so let him who please believe and let him who please disbelieve.” — 18:29

        “We have truly shown him the way; he may be thankful or unthankful.” — 76:3

        “Clear proofs have indeed come to you from your Lord: so whoever sees, it is for his own good; and whoever is blind, it is to his own harm. And I am not a keeper over you.” — 6:104

        “If you do good, you do good for your own souls. And if you do evil, it is for them.” — 17:7

        The duty of the Messenger of Allah, and, following him, the duty of every Muslim is only to deliver the message of truth and no more. This is indicated in the Holy Quran in passages of the following kind:

        “If they accept Islam, then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, your duty (O Prophet) is only to deliver the message.” — 3:20

        “And obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away, the duty of Our Messenger is only to deliver the message clearly.” — 64:12; see also 5:92

        “Say (to people): Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, he is responsible for the duty imposed on him, and you are responsible for the duty imposed on you. And if you obey him, you go aright. And the Messenger’s duty is only to deliver (the message) plainly.” — 24:54

        “O people, the truth has indeed come to you from your Lord; so whoever goes aright, goes aright only for the good of his own soul; and whoever errs, errs only to its detriment. And I am not a custodian over you.” — 10:108

        “Surely We have revealed to you (O Prophet) the Book with truth for people. So whoever follows the right way, it is for his own soul, and whoever errs, he errs only to its detriment. And you are not a custodian over them.” — 39:41

        “We have not appointed you (O Prophet) a keeper over them, and you are not placed in charge of them.” — 6:107

        “Your duty (O Prophet) is only the delivery of the message, and Ours (God’s) is to call (people) to account.” — 13:40

        The Quran tells us that it is in the natural order of things that while some people believe others do not, and no human being can or should apply compulsion to others in this regard. The Holy Prophet Muhammad is told:

        “And if your Lord had pleased, all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them. Will you then force people till they are believers?” — 10:99

        All nations are addressed as follows:

        “For everyone of you We appointed a law and a way. And if Allah had pleased He would have made you a single people (or one religious community), but that He might try you in what He gave you. So vie one with another in virtuous deeds. To Allah you will all return, so He will inform you of that wherein you differed.” — 5:48

        @1:36
        Claim:
        Can’t understand islam without understanding Stages of Jihad.

        This claim is just false.

        “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you may despise each other). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous of you.” (The Qur’an, Chapter 49 Verse 13)

        “Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lordknowethbest, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.” (The Qur’an, Chapter 16 Verse 125)

        The Meaning Of Life ┇Powerful Spoken Word┇# lebo2…: http://youtu.be/H1qjvyF59c8

        MUSLIM VS ATHEIST | RESPONSE | #JihadOnIgnorance: http://youtu.be/zuAqoKrtLcY

      • So there aren’t between 112,000,000 and 320,000,000 Muslims running around looking to kill everything not like them. Thanks for the update.

      • Does the West care about ISIL’s specific crimes or is it mostly outraged that Muslims are committing them?

        The horrific rampage of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) has captured the world’s attention. Many Western commentators claim that ISIL’s crimes are unique, no longer practiced anywhere else in the civilized world. They argue that the group’s barbarism is intrinsically Islamic, a product of the aggressive and archaic worldview which dominates the Muslim world. The ignorance of these claims is stunning.

        Not only are there other organised groups whose depravity and threat to the United States far surpasses that of ISIL, they fail to engender the same kind of collective indignation and hysteria. This raises the question: Are Americans primarily concerned with ISIL’s specific atrocities or with the fact that it is Muslims who are committing these crimes?

        For example, even as US media establishments and policymakers radically inflate the threat posed by ISIL to the Middle East and United States, most Americans appear to be unaware of the institutional magnitude of Mexican drug cartels, let alone the scale of their atrocities or the threat they pose to the US.

        Cartels versus ISIL

        A recent United Nations report estimated nearly 9,000 civilians have been killed and 17,386 wounded in Iraq in 2014, more than half since ISIL fighters seized large parts of northern Iraq in June. It is likely that the group is responsible for another several thousand deaths in Syria. To be sure, these numbers are staggering. But drug cartels murdered more than 16,000 people in Mexico during 2013 alone, and another 60,000 from 2006 to 2012 – a rate of more than one killing every half hour for the last seven years. Even worse, these casualty estimates are from the Mexican government, which is known to deflate the actual death toll by around 50 percent.

        But the casualties alone do not convey the depravity of the narcos: They carry out hundreds of beheadings every year. Beyond decapitation, they are known to dismember and otherwise mutilate the corpses of their victims – displaying piles of bodies prominently in towns to terrorise the public into compliance.

        The cartels routinely target women and children to further intimidate the communities they occupy. And much like ISIL, the cartels use social media to post pornographic images of their crimes.

        Like ISIL, narcos recruit child soldiers, molding boys as young as 11 into assassins or sending them on suicide missions during armed confrontations with Mexico’s army. They also kidnap tens of thousands of children every year to use as drug mules or prostitutes, or to simply kill and harvest their organs for sale on the black market.

        Those who dare to call for reforms often end up dead. In September, with the apparent assistance of local police, cartels kidnapped and massacred 43 students at a teaching college near the Mexican town of Iguala in response to student protests. A search in the area for the students has uncovered a number of mass graves containing dozens of mutilated bodies burned almost beyond recognition, but none of the remains have been confirmed to be of the students.

        While the Islamic militants have killed a handful of journalists, the cartels murdered as many as 57 since 2006 for reporting on cartel crimes; much of Mexico’s media has been effectively silenced by intimidation or bribes. These censorship activities extend beyond professional media, with narcos tracking down and murdering ordinary citizens who criticise them on the Internet, leaving their naked and disemboweled corpses hanging in public venues. Yet intellectuals such as Sam Harris appear to be more outraged when Muslims protest or issue threats in response to blasphemous or anti-Muslim hate speech than when cartels murder dozens of journalists and systematically co-opt the media of an entire country.

        Similarly, Westerners across various political spectrums were outraged when ISIL seized 1,500 Yezidi women, committing sexual violence against the captives and using them as slaves. Here again, the cartels’ capture and trafficking of women dwarfs that of ISIL. Additionally, narcos systematically use rape as a weapon of war and hold tens of thousands of Mexican citizens as slaves for their various enterprises.

        Threat to homeland security

        ISIL beheaded two Americans this summer and has warned about executing a third; additionally, one US soldier has died in efforts to combat the militant group. By contrast, from 2007 to 2010 the cartels have killed 293 Americans in Mexico and have repeatedly attacked US consulates in Mexico. While ISIL’s beheadings are no doubt outrageous, the cartels actually tortured, dismembered and then cooked one of the Americans they captured – possibly eating him or feeding him to dogs.

        And the death is not restricted to the Mexican side of the border: from 2006 to 2010 as many as 5,700 Americans were killed in the US by cartel-fueled drug violence. By contrast, 2,937 people were killed in the September 11, 2001 attacks. Over the last decade, some 2,349 Americans were killed in Afghanistan while 4,487 Americansdied during the Iraq war. In four years the cartels have managed to cause the deaths of more Americans than 9/11 or the entire US campaigns in Afghanistan or Iraq.

        The Obama Administration claims ISIL poses a severe threat to US interests and national security. However, the militants were primarily concerned with seizing and holding territory in Iraq and Syria until the US began targeting them. Even now, while they have called for “lone wolves” to carry out attacks on US targets, so far those arrested in connection to ISIL have been trying to go and fight abroad rather than plotting domestic actions. US intelligence officials have asserted that ISIL poses no credible threat to the United States homeland; the same cannot be said of the cartels.

        Narcos have infiltrated at least 3,000 US cities and are recruiting many Americans. Their infrastructure in the US is increasingly sophisticated and robust, with Mexican cartels now controlling more than 80 percent of the total illicit drug trade in the United States, and their top agents deployed to virtually every major metropolitan area. There are no realistic assessments indicating that ISIL could achieve a similar level of penetration within the US.

        Explaining the dissonance

        It is clear that the campaign against ISIL is not driven by the group’s relative threat to the US or the scale or inhumane nature of their atrocities. If these were the primary considerations, the public would be far more terrified of, and outraged by, the narcos. Perhaps the US would be mobilising 50 nations to purge the Sinaloa cartel rather than shielding them from prosecution, helping them polish off their rivals, or even move drugs into the United States – all the while resisting commonsense drug policy reforms that could dramatically undermine the groups.

        Some may attempt to argue that despite the asymmetries, the cartels are less of a threat because ISIL is unified around an ideology which is antithetical to the prevailing international order, while the cartels are concerned primarily with money. This is also false:

        A good deal of the cartel violence is perpetrated ritualistically as part of their religion which is centered, quite literally, on the worship of death. The narcos build and support churches all across Mexico to perpetuate their eschatology. One of the cartels, the Knights Templar (whose name obviously evokes religious warfare), even boasts about its leader’ death and resurrection.

        When cartel members are killed, they are buried in lavish mausoleums, regarded as “martyrs”, and commemorated in popular songs glorifying their exploits in all their brutality. They are viewed by many as heroes resisting an international order which exploits Latin America, as well as the feckless governments which enable it. Their gospel, derived from Catholicism, is making fast inroads into the United States and Central America. In short, the cartels have ideological and geopolitical motivations and ambitions whose challenge is no less pronounced than that of ISIL; it may even be worse.

        But unfortunately, the US cannot formulate an effective response to these much more severe threats because the US public is far too busy disparaging Islam, while its military kills Arabs and Muslims abroad. What is fueling the disproportionate reaction to ISIL is Islamophobia, not any empirical realities.

      • Brother the world contains much more evil than this. But logically we cant confirm your numbers not deny them. I think its much much more. Not just Muslims.

      • WHAT JIHAD IS

        The Arabic word “jihad” is often translated as “holy war,” but in a purely linguistic sense, the word ” jihad” means struggling or striving.The arabic word for war is: “al-harb”.In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), “jihad” has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents – such as women, children, or invalids – must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: “This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad,” which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars, who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of “just war” is very important.The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam.Examples of sanctioned military jihad include the Muslims’ defensive battles against the Crusaders in medieval times, and before that some responses by Muslims against Byzantine and Persian attacks during the period of the early Islamic conquests.

        WHAT JIHAD IS NOT

        Jihad is not a violent concept.Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as “people of the book” who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications

        The singular exception to the majority opinion was that of Imam Shafi`i, who contended the verses [9:5] and [9:29] support the condition of jihad being a continual war upon the non-Muslims until they repent and accept Islam or else pay jizya [referred to as polltax].” However the majority of jurists argued against this position, citing the succeeding verses as evidence “and if anyone of the polytheists seeks your protection then grant him protection…” [9:6]. The other Imams argued from this that as long as they are submissive and willing to live peacefully among the believers our divine obligation is to treat them peacefully, despite their denial of Islam. The next verse [9:7], is instruction to keep treaty obligations with meticulous care, and not to break them unless the unbelievers break them first, reiterated in the following verse [9:8], in which Allah orders us not to make a treaty with unbelieving enemies who break their oaths and whose intention is to overpower the Muslims. Had jihad’s objective been to fight all unbelievers, then there would have been no need for treaties and no differentiation between polytheists who remain loyal and faithful to their word and those who are treacherous. Based on these arguments of the scholars, the majority concluded that physical fighting is not a permanent condition against unbelievers, but only when treaties are broken or aggression has been made against Muslim territory (dar al-Islam) by unbelievers.
        On the other hand, the call to Islam, is a continuous jihad, per the hadith “I have been ordered to fight the people until they declare that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger, establish prayers, and pay zakat. If they perform all that, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by Islamic laws. Then their accounts will be done by Allah.” (Bukhari and Muslim). Said Ramadan Buti in “Jihad in Islam”, explains this hadith in detail, showing that contrary to the minority opinion, fighting here does not refer to combat but to struggle, including within it da`wah, preaching, exhortation and establishment of the state apparatus whereby Islamic preaching is protected; not forcing anyone to become Muslim at the point of a sword. Many examples from the Prophet’s r life history show he never forced conversion, nor did his Successors. He explains that the linguistic scholars of hadith showed that the word used by the Prophet (saws) means “fight”, not “kill”. Its Arabic usage denotes defense against an attacker or oppressor; not to attack or assail.

      • It should be fairly clear to any rational being that lying to spread a religion is nonsensical. If I lie to you about what Islam is and you convert I haven’t spread Islam because what you have accepted was a lie.

        These constant stream of Islamophobes carping on about how Muslims are allowed to lie to non-Muslims whilst appealing to something called “taqiyyah” (also spelled, “takiya” and “taqiyya”) also end up convincing the average joe non muslim about this myth

        Rather than relying on shoddy hate sites/Christian missionaries to educate us about taqiyyah we shall rely on SCHOLARLY authority – largely in the form of R. Strothmann’s relevant section in “Shorter Encyclopaedia of Islam” (by H.A.R. Gibb and J.H. Kramers) and Cyril Glasse’s Concise Encyclopedia of Islam

        What is “Taqiyyah”, “Takiya”, “Taqiyya”?

        This term is spelt variously; “taqiyyah”, “takiya” or “taqiyya”.

        “Takiya (A.), caution, fear (see glossarium to Tabari S.V. T-K-A) pr kitman, “disguise” is the technical term for dispensation from the requirements of religion under compulsion or threat of injury.” [1]

        “Taqiyyah (From the root word waqa “to safeguard”; “self-protection” and hence “dissimulation [in order to protect oneself]”).” [2]

        So, taqiyyah (takiya, taqiyya) is concerning dissimulation due to force – i.e. when an individual is forced to conceal.

        Sadly, Islamophobes – in order to obtain an unchecked platform and/or demonise Muslims – have misapplied this term in their exaggerated claims of “Muslims are allowed to lie to the unbelievers”.

        At what level of force is Takiya (Taqiyyah, Taqiya) justified?

        “But an individual is not justified in takiya nor bound to hidjra [emigration] if the compulsion remains within the endurable limits, as in the case of temporary imprisonment or flogging which does not result in death” [1]

        So, this make a mockery of the Islamophobes’ general suggestions of “Muslims are allowed to lie to the unbelievers” as even under threat of imprisonment and flogging Muslims are not justified in takiya. The level of force which justifies oneself in takiya is that of an unbearable level.

        Takiya (taqiyya, taqiyyah) and the type of lies…

        One may ask, what type of “disguise” is allowed under takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya)?

        Let’s be clear about takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya); “The principle of dissimulation of one’s religious beliefs in order to avoid persecution or imminent harm, where no useful purpose would be served by publicly affirming them.” [2]

        So takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya) is not used to convert folk to Islam nor is it used in Islamic text books or anything of such a nature. It is simply a form of concealment used to avoid persecution!

        For further clarity, we are not talking about general, everyday fibs here, thus the ethical question of dishonesty is bypassed:

        “The ethical question whether such forced lies are nevertheless lies, such a forced denial of the faith nevertheless a denial, is not put at all by one “who conceal himself” as he is not in a state of confidence which would be broken by lies or denial.” [1]

        Sadly, our Islamophobic counterparts attempt to convince the gullible that takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya) allows Muslims to lie (or conceal) about aspects of their faith (Islam) as well as lie in general.

      • I take it you didn’t read my reply. Ill put it in simple terms. The apostle paul denied Jesus out of fear. Taqiya

    • Yes Elle opinions are the only opinions. Follow her opinons or she will punch you in the mouth with her bias Facts based on half truths and distortion. Covert to her opinion of die.

      Your no better than Isis with your brainwashed ideology. Your the Christian form of Wahhabi-ism. If your even Christian.

      • Christians often brush off the laws and moral pronouncements in the Bible as figurative. The Old Testament, they say, was only morally right for the Israelites. And the New Covenant, they claim, abolished the Old Testament laws anyway. This is not the case. Yahweh explicitly says the laws are not to be changed, and that they are so wise and just that all other societies will look on them with awe.

        Deuteronomy 4:5-8 – “See, I have taught you decrees and laws as the LORD my God commanded me, so that you may follow them in the land you are entering to take possession of it. Observe them carefully, for this will show your wisdom and understanding to the nations, who will hear about all these decrees and say, “Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.” What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the LORD our God is near us whenever we pray to him? And what other nation is so great as to have such righteous decrees and laws as this body of laws I am setting before you today?'”

        Jesus agrees with God. He says he has not come to change the old laws but rather to teach others to uphold them:

        Matthew 5:17-19 – “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

        What follows is a sample of these great, just, and moral laws. Remember, Christians, according to the Bible you should look at these laws and say “surely this is a just and wise nation!” and teach others to follow them.
        Kill Nonbelievers

        They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

        Kill False Prophets

        If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

        Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

        Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

        Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

        But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

        Kill Followers of Other Religions.

        1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

        2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

        Death for Blasphemy

        One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

      • [[ Yes Elle opinions are the only opinions. Follow her opinons or she will punch you in the mouth with her bias ]]

        Don’t do what ISIS says and you LITERALLY get your head cut off. Now you were saying?

        [[ Your no better than Isis with your brainwashed ideology. Your the Christian form of Wahhabi-ism. If your even Christian.]]

        It takes a certain kind of moron to associate people’s words with beheadings. You seem to be that certain kind.

      • Have you gone mad with such a stupid incoherent comment? I actually laughed out loud when I read it. – Convert to my opinion or die LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL – that is just crazy Saith Shine, seriously, you must be drunk or something.

        “Follow her opinions or she will punch you in the mouth with her bias Facts based on half truths and distortion. Convert to her opinion of (sic) die.” WTF OVER?

        This video by Bill Warner, PhD is there because it gives one of the best explanations of the word Kafir I have ever seen. I am so sorry you don’t like it, but I did not make the video, Bill Warner did. Maybe you should write to him and tell him how much you dislike it.

        He is a historian. He has studied islam and mohammed from a historical and FACTUAL perspective. So have I. That is why the video is so good, it is not coming from a religious perspective at all. In fact most if not all of his videos are historical.

        Saith Shine, no matter how hard you try, you cannot re-write the historical record. Deal with it.

        Also know this: I have never, nor will I ever engage anyone in an effort to “convert” them to anything EVER. I never have or will.

        God gives us all free will to make our decision as to what we do by way of faith and our individual spiritually. And I mean the true God, not “allah” lol. I respect that of all people, even you. Having said that, I do have my opinion and I am entitled to it and no amount of growling or whining coming from you can change that.

        Defend your islam. Address: quran 3:32, 48:29, 4:24, 5:33, 9:5, 9:29, 9:73, 9:111, 2:106 and then post your reasons as to why you and your fellow muslims support the hatred and violence against Christians, Jews and any other non-believers. Tell me why you allah hates me? In fact there is literally so many things off center in the quran you could spend months trying to post up comments to defend them. I am not sure you are up to that.

        Is it because he is a false god, and that mohammad is a false prophet and nothing more that an psychopathic, murdering, raping, robbing, lying pedophile to name a few?

        Explain and convince me why I would ever want to convert to islam knowing the historical mohammed was nothing but a narcissistic criminal. Convince me otherwise, I am listening.

      • Sorry if I have been offensive. I cant help that sometimes I become angry I am only human. So please accept my sincere apology.

        Your right maybe I should shut up. I really don’t feel like sitting down and watching his video over and over taking notes and then putting together a rebuttal. I workful time, am a BA student in Islamic sciences, and a father for 3 vary young children. Plus I like fishin and it salmon season in WNY.

        As far as your scholars are concerned you have the right to follow them if you wish. But I advise you (real that’s why no here. For dawah) that, if your scholars aren’t understanding the Qur’an and sunna in its context as it was understood by the Salaf, Sahabah and the Prophet then they will leave the true path of Islam. Example, the Qadianis and the issue of the word “Khatim”.

        No to the issue of defending Islam on the issue you posted I will do my best. You posted alot. So to save myself time I may just pick one topic or verse if that’s OK with you.

      • Yes. I do accept your sincere apology – please in turn accept mine. We make better friends than enemies.

        No I am not right – don’t shut up. I shouldn’t have said that.
        Don’t sit down and watch it over and over and get notes for talking points. No need; you are way to busy for that! Fishing would have to come before that lol!

        I read a lot many works of scholars because it is a part of my job, most I find not good. A few I do find good because they use historical facts that can be checked, etc. Anyway, I don’t “follow” any one or any man in this world. I only follow Jesus and am only a sinner in this world as we all are. We can only stay in repentance for our sins and try not to sin but it is difficult and all Christians will struggle to live in this world but not of it until we pass. Sorry, that’s Christian talk and I know you probably don’t want to hear it.

        Yes pick one to talk about, not all – that is ridiculous to expect you to address such a vast amount of verse. In fact, be with your children, that would make me much happier to know rather than spending it making some sort of answer to me. They are much more important 🙂

        You must be a good man and I see that now. We got off on the wrong foot – is something easy to do in the digital world.

        Again, peace to you. I am sorry for the things I have said that were offensive, I know they were, forgive me and I retract them.

      • Not that it matters but I love parts of what you wrote in this comment. Also I’m a former Christian and former soldier. My mentality was Crusade crusade crusade. The first unit I served in was nicknamed”the crusaders” 2/108th look it up. Its the same unit that scumbag Mc Veigh served in. But now I sometimes weep like a baby when the Quran is recited.

      • yes, my faith sears my soul, I too become emotional – this is the times when I know that I am connecting with my God – the searing, it is an actual physical sensation, and words do not actually describe it. It is beyond words, this feeling.

      • Also I would like to add I didn’t disagree with you no the word kfir. To the contrary I agreed with you. I was only trying to convey the broader meaning. Yet you still insulted my intelligence. Now I’m asking you how many Muslims have you cobersed with that know the root of kafir?

        The point, let use not jump to conclusion about one another so we may exchange knowledge and ideas

      • my words meant you defined it from older pre islamic arabic root – and then looking at it post islamic meaning

        it is one of those words that no good comes from, it is derogatory

        the word is not used as much as “non-believer” or “infidel” that are more common and everyone knows – kafir is all of them in meaning.

        I do have a handful of close friends who are muslims, we have our discussions, sometimes heated, but we are bound together in friendship despite our differences. Yes they know what kafir means. One of them is a language expert. A couple of them worked for me in Egypt, one of them was a trusted interpreter in Iraq. No matter what or how different we are, never would they leave me or I them. We will forever be close and we are all proud to be what we are.

        They just laugh at me with love when I tell them I got into an argument online with a musim 🙂

      • Sorry again. David wood gets me fired up.

        Send my Sallaams to your Muslims friends. And to you Sallamu Alaykum.

      • I agree, he is arrogant – I would not be opposed to giving him the back of my hand just for that, I have seen all his videos and know all about him – his delivery is off-putting – I can’t stand men like that, I have to deal with them all the time.

        His message has some truths, but his demeanor is disgusting and makes him look stupid even though he isn’t and tends to ruin any gains he tries to make. I don’t think that is something that he can help lol.

        I do however very much like Bill Warner only because he is highly educated, and places his footing on historical islam and historical record. I have studied historical islam and was always fascinated by it. I also studied other ancient topics. He seems to be fair for the most part, when he talks and just says what is what and lets you make your own judgements. I respect that. I think he was a PhD in physics and math, the man’s got a mind in him.

        I don’t like preachers or imans or other people getting everyone riled up with their “work” – I want the facts, I want it clear and concise – I want to be able to analyze information. I feel most comfortable in that way.

        I did wonder what you found to be in error in the video just for my own understanding, not to argue, but to question, as I must everything in this area as it helps me do my job to a certain extend. Start with that when you have time, let me know what you thought he was wrong about so I can delve into it when I have down time.

        Don’t let him get you fired up, I use a punching bag for that – it’s an awesome way to keep your shoulders and core tight lol – let something piss you off and then work it out with the bag lol.

        have a great week

      • Addressing 9:5
        9:5-6 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

        Having presented the verse in context, we can analyze it properly. Dr. Maher Hathout gives an explanation on the historical context of the verse:

        This verse was revealed towards the end of the revelation period and relates to a limited context. Hostilities were frozen for a three-month period during which the Arabs pledged not to wage war. Prophet Muhammad was inspired to use this period to encourage the combatants to join the Muslim ranks or, if they chose, to leave the area that was under Muslims rule; however, if they were to resume hostilities, then the Muslims would fight back until victorious. One is inspired to note that even in this context of war, the verse concludes by emphasizing the divine attributes of mercy and forgiveness. To minimize hostilities, the Qur’an ordered Muslims to grant asylum to anyone, even an enemy, who sought refuge. Asylum would be granted according to the customs of chivalry; the person would be told the message of the Qur’an but not coerced into accepting that message. Thereafter, he or she would be escorted to safety regardless of his or her religion. (9:6). (Hathout, Jihad vs. Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002, pp.52-53, emphasis added)

        Therefore, this verse once again refers to those pagans who would continue to fight after the period of peace. It clearly commands the Muslims to protect those who seek peace and are non-combatants. It is a specific verse with a specific ruling and can in no way be applied to general situations. The command of the verse was only to be applied in the event of a battle. As Abdullah Yusuf Ali writes:

        The emphasis is on the first clause: it is only when the four months of grace are past, and the other party show no sign of desisting from their treacherous design by right conduct, that the state of war supervenes – between Faith and Unfaith. (Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur’an, Text, Translation and Commentary, emphasis added)

        If the pagans would not cease their hostilities towards the Muslims, then they were to be fought, especially since they were living in the land of an Islamic state. Dr. Zakir Naik writes concerning this verse:

        This verse is quoted during a battle. …We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the American President said, “Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war. …Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, “Kill the Mushriqs (pagans) where ever you find them”, during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:

        “If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.” [Al-Qur’an 9:6]

        The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security? This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world. (SOURCE, emphasis added)

        Dr. Naik makes some very interesting observations about the verse. Indeed, it is truly amazing how Islam-haters will ignore God’s infinite mercy in their attempt to malign Islam. God has always given human beings a way out of any suffering, and has only ordained fighting as a last resort. Muslim scholars have written much commentary on these Qur’anic verses explaining the historical context in such great detail so that there may be no misconceptions. We have quoted extensively from various commentators on these verses and there is no need to repeat the same material again. We will provide one more commentary before moving on. Professor Shahul Hameed writes on verse 9:5:
        This is a verse taken from Surah At-Tawba. This chapter of the Qur’an was revealed in the context when the newly organized Muslim society in Madinah was engaged in defending themselves against the pagan aggressors. The major question dealt with here is, as to how the Muslims should treat those who break an existing treaty at will. The first clause in the verse refers to the time-honored Arab custom of a period of warning and waiting given to the offenders, after a clear violation. That is, they will be given four months’ time to repair the damage done or make peace. But if nothing happens after the expiry of these forbidden months, what should be done? This is what the present verse says. According to this verse, fighting must be resumed until one of the two things happens: Either the enemy should be vanquished by relentless fighting. That is what is meant by {then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem [of war]}; or they should repent, establish prayers and pay zakah, etc. This is one of those verses of the Qur’an which are likely to be misunderstood, if quoted out of context. We must understand that this fighting was against a people who forced the Prophet and his companions to leave not only their own homes but all their property and even their hometown of Makkah to Madinah. Once the Muslims were organized into a community in those lawless times, the rules to be followed by the Muslims were clearly laid down, even in the matter of war. Since Islam is a comprehensive system, no human activity could be ignored. And given the nature of mankind, we cannot imagine a situation where fighting is completely ruled out either. As can be seen, the above injunctions on fighting is not on an individual level, but only in the case of a society that strives to flourish and thrive as a nation. But even here the norms are clear: fighting is only in self defence or for the establishment of justice; and always fighting is the last option. And no one is allowed to transgress the limits set by God. (SOURCE, emphasis added)

      • Regarding errors in video

        @ 0:45
        Surah 9:29 Deliberate quote out of context.

        The verse 9:29 is a command to fight the Byzantine Romans and other hostile powers who were planning an invasion against the Muslims in Arabia. In context, it is a distinct response to aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s ambassadors.

        Allah said:

        Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not acknowledge the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture, until they give the tribute willingly while they are humbled.

        Surah At-Tawba 9:29

        On the surface, this appears to be an open-ended command to fight non-Muslims until they are conquered. However, a fundamental principle of Quranic exegesis (tafseer) is that the verses must be understood in the context in which they were revealed (asbaban-nuzul) and in conjunction with other verses delineating the rules of warfare.

        At-Tabari and other commentators record that this verse was revealed concerning the expedition of Tabuk.

        At-Tabari records

        Mujahid reported concerning the verse, “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day…” that it was revealed when Muhammad and his companions were commanded with the expedition of Tabuk.

        Source: Tafseer At-Tabari 9:29

        The expedition of Tabuk was preceded by the battle of Mu’tah which began when the emissary of the Prophet was assassinated while delivering a letter to a Roman ally.

        Ibn Al-Qayyim writes:

        The cause of the battle was that the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, sent Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi of the tribe of Lihb with his letter to Syria for the Roman king or Busra. He presented it to Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani and he bound him and struck his neck. Never had an ambassador of the Messenger of Allah been killed besides him. The Prophet was upset by that when news reached him and he dispatched an expedition.

        Source: Zaad Al-Ma’ad 336

        Safiur Rahman writes:

        The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, had sent Al-Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi on an errand to carry a letter to the ruler of Busra. On his way, he was intercepted by Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani, the governor of Al-Balqa and a close ally to Caesar, the Byzantine Emperor. Al-Harith was tied and beheaded by Al-Ghassani.

        Source: The Sealed Nectar p. 245

        This was the first act of Roman aggression that further led to the expedition of Tabuk concerning which the verse 9:29 was revealed. The verse describes the aggressors as those “who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day,” because they committed this act of treachery. Executing emissaries from other countries is a war crime that could never be committed by those who sincerely believe in God.

        Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

        There is no faith for one who cannot be trusted. There is no religion for one who cannot uphold a covenant.

        Source: Musnad Ahmad 11975, Grade: Hasan

        @1:10
        Claim: Muslims demand freedom of religion in the west

        He is playing with words to make this seem like a bad think. This should raise and eyebrow to his character and intent.

        The United States constitution demands the same!

        The Quran is the only religious text clearly state freedom of religion. Unlike the bible:
        Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

            Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.”  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

        No Compulsion in Religion

        The Holy Quran altogether excludes compulsion from the sphere of religion. It lays down in the clearest words:

        “There is no compulsion in religion — the right way is indeed clearly distinct from error.”— 2:256

        In fact, the Holy Quran is full of statements showing that belief in this or that religion is a person’s own concern, and that he is given the choice of adopting one way or another. If he accepts the truth, it is for his own good, and that, if he sticks to error, it is to his own detriment. Some quotations to this effect are given below:

        “The Truth is from your Lord; so let him who please believe and let him who please disbelieve.” — 18:29

        “We have truly shown him the way; he may be thankful or unthankful.” — 76:3

        “Clear proofs have indeed come to you from your Lord: so whoever sees, it is for his own good; and whoever is blind, it is to his own harm. And I am not a keeper over you.” — 6:104

        “If you do good, you do good for your own souls. And if you do evil, it is for them.” — 17:7

        The duty of the Messenger of Allah, and, following him, the duty of every Muslim is only to deliver the message of truth and no more. This is indicated in the Holy Quran in passages of the following kind:

        “If they accept Islam, then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, your duty (O Prophet) is only to deliver the message.” — 3:20

        “And obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away, the duty of Our Messenger is only to deliver the message clearly.” — 64:12; see also 5:92

        “Say (to people): Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, he is responsible for the duty imposed on him, and you are responsible for the duty imposed on you. And if you obey him, you go aright. And the Messenger’s duty is only to deliver (the message) plainly.” — 24:54

        “O people, the truth has indeed come to you from your Lord; so whoever goes aright, goes aright only for the good of his own soul; and whoever errs, errs only to its detriment. And I am not a custodian over you.” — 10:108

        “Surely We have revealed to you (O Prophet) the Book with truth for people. So whoever follows the right way, it is for his own soul, and whoever errs, he errs only to its detriment. And you are not a custodian over them.” — 39:41

        “We have not appointed you (O Prophet) a keeper over them, and you are not placed in charge of them.” — 6:107

        “Your duty (O Prophet) is only the delivery of the message, and Ours (God’s) is to call (people) to account.” — 13:40

        The Quran tells us that it is in the natural order of things that while some people believe others do not, and no human being can or should apply compulsion to others in this regard. The Holy Prophet Muhammad is told:

        “And if your Lord had pleased, all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them. Will you then force people till they are believers?” — 10:99

        All nations are addressed as follows:

        “For everyone of you We appointed a law and a way. And if Allah had pleased He would have made you a single people (or one religious community), but that He might try you in what He gave you. So vie one with another in virtuous deeds. To Allah you will all return, so He will inform you of that wherein you differed.” — 5:48

        @1:36
        Claim:
        Can’t understand islam without understanding Stages of Jihad.

        This claim is just false.

        “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you may despise each other). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous of you.” (The Qur’an, Chapter 49 Verse 13)

        “Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lordknowethbest, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.” (The Qur’an, Chapter 16 Verse 125)

        The Meaning Of Life ┇Powerful Spoken Word┇# lebo2…: http://youtu.be/H1qjvyF59c8

        MUSLIM VS ATHEIST | RESPONSE | #JihadOnIgnorance: http://youtu.bezuAqoKrtLE

      • stand by ~ yes I have lots to say as to your lengthy response that was wholly expected 🙂

        with me down time/wait for what I need, becomes go time real quick

        I’ll be getting to you my new Mohammedan friend 🙂

        peace to you and may you catch many fish while you can so get to it

      • I only made it to about 2 min into the video. It was late and I could hardly keep my eyes open even to write that. So please, if possible confine your rebut to the first 2 mins. That’s all I have made notes on so far.

      • Sleep is so good, like air and food and water it is.

        No worries.

        I’m cooking for a houseful of people tonight – 17 in all – give me strenght!!!! 🙂 Days go on forever, no rush, I get your replies as you get mine-

      • The first thing you need to do is put all that “offended muslim” stuff to the side at least with me. Kafir is very offensive too, so is infidel. I could not care less. These things do not have effect on me and nor should they you.
        You need to be you, please, be you. Think and feel for yourself. Being offended is a part of life, “muslims” need to understand this, and so do you. You want to be a muslim so be it. Get ready to get offended. I’m a Christian, I get offended everyday.

        I am a Christian because I follow Christ.

        You are a Mohammedan because you follow Mohammed.

        Buddists follow the Buddha, they are Buddists, one of my sons is a Buddist.

        We go to the great stuppa in Red Feather together at Shambala(http://www.shambhalamountain.org/) I love it there. It is sublime, beautiful. I have private audience with a Sakyong Mipham, an incarnate. He likes to run. He’s a runner, so am I am. We are so different and yet so the same. It it a beautiful interaction. But I am a Christian and going to Shambala does not change that, neither does talking to you. Sakyong Mipham over time has taught me much about self reflection. But I will always be a Christian.

        We are what we are. Set your offended attitudes to the side or else we should probably end our new found friendship and conversation right now. Your choice.

        I have discussed this with my other muslim friends at length on and off for 20 yrs.

        Because Allah say you are to be called a muslim via Mohammed so I am to do so. Calling you or any muslim a Mohammnedan is only offensive to you. It is historically correct to me. You follow his life and his words.

        Mohammed said this – you follow Mohammed, because it is based EXCLUSIVELY on the words of Mohammed this thing that says you are to be called a muslim ~ why do you expect me to follow Mohammned because you do?
        I do not submit to Allah as I do not see him as God.

        Don’t go hating on me now – we are all in the same boat in this life as I see it.

        And call me Kafir, if you want.

        You are a Mohamnmedan and I am a Christian, and that is the way it is.

        I assume no big fish ;( I lived in Pacific Northwest and the best thing I ever ate was the tail of a salmon fresh caught, throw on the the grill for a few minutes – it was huge!

        Also the best thing was seeing the orca pods – that was God.

      • You should use your own words to defend your islam and speak with your own heart and mind.

        Using more verses of the quran to support the quran is somewhat of an oxymoron. When you say “allah said” what you are really saying is “mohammed said.”

        Mohammed is not mentioned even once in the Bible and Jesus said that only false prophets would come after him. This should tell you something.

        Deuteronomy 18:15 was talking about Jesus.

        9:29 & 2:256 contradict – that was the point in the video. He did not take them out of context, he just did not extrapolate or go into detail with either one. To do so would have added another 45 mins to an hour to his video.

        Now to 2:259, honestly this seems to be borrowed from biblical text. We all know islam is fairly/extremely compelling; just more double speak from mohammed.

        To put either “into context” would mean to recite the entire quran as that is the context where they are found that he is citing them from. To put them further into context would require a long visit into Byzantine history, the life of mohammed after he went to Medina, & a time period covering several decades to cover putting it all into “context.”

      • After reading your comment here I was reminded of a verse from Quran;
        Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account.
        20. So if they dispute with you (Muhammad ) say: “I have submitted myself to Allah (in Islam), and (so have) those who follow me.” And say to those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and to those who are illiterates (Arab pagans): “Do you (also) submit yourselves (to Allah in Islam)?” If they do, they are rightly guided; but if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message; and Allah is All-Seer of (His ) slaves.

      • I have chased out duality, lived the two worlds as one.
        One I seek, one I know, one I see, one I call.

        He is the first, he is the last,
        he is the outer, he is the inner.
        Beyond He and He is I know no other.

        I am drunk from the cup of love,
        the two worlds have escaped me.
        I have no concern but carouse and rapture.

        If one day in my life I spend a moment without you
        from that hour and that time I would repent my life.

        If one day I am given a moment in solitude with you
        I will trample the two worlds underfoot and dance forever.

      • @1:10 He is correct that muslims demand freedom of religion in the west. Everyone does, it is a part of our constitution. The point that he makes is that muslims demand and expect this in our democratic country where freedom of religion is protected but at the same time –

        in the middle east, like his example Saudi Arabia, the same is not found. Muslims want the freedom here but do not offer the same freedom to others in the ME. This would indicate that islam does not tolerate very well other religions. We see proof of this right now with what is happening in Iraq with the Christians and other minorities. They are being taxed, murdered, and forced to flee. Terrible atrocities are happening. We see what ISIS does and they do it by way of islam. Yes it must be said, they do exactly what muhammed did and this cannot be denied.

        So what he says is correct. Islam asks for and expects religous freedom but does not give it.

      • Your comment falls apart at

        The point that he makes is that muslims demand and expect this in our democratic country where freedom of religion is protected but at the same time –

        You’ve presented no textual proofs that any one of those acts discribed are sanctioned by the religion as a whole.

      • It is common knowledge and well known there is no religious tolerance in Saudi. All others must worship underground.

        Here in link below you can see the basic law of government in saudi, and it is ruled by sharia with conversion from Islam to another religion is considered apostasy
        and punishable by death. Blasphemy against Sunni Islam is also
        punishable by death, but the more common penalty is a long prison
        sentence. Religious freedom basically does not exist in saudi.

        http://www.saudiembassy.net/about/country-information/laws/The_Basic_Law_Of_Governance.aspx

        You are asking for textual proof of what? Of the atrocities that have recently happened in Iraq? Seriously, I don’t think I need to post dozens of links for you on that – certainly you already know and have seen what has happened.

        It is interesting you say “sactioned” – are you saying ISIS needs to be sactioned by islam as a whole lol! They are muslims, try to go and tell them they are not. Your reply falls apart as a reponse to what I said.

        Muslims get religious freedom in the west but do not give it to others in the ME.

      • I don’t want links. I want textual proof of what you claim. If you can’t produce and if II cant verify it, than don’t bother because it will be rejected. I brought my proofs straight from the Qur’an, hadith, fiq and sirah books and your still trying to put emotional authority to your opinions. Like that some how holds weight. Since your just can’t listen and you know Islam better than the scholars of islam. Im moving on. Enjoy

      • [ I brought my proofs straight from the quran, hadith, fiq and sirah books. . .]

        Spoken like a true mohammadan!

        You are a novice and can’t think for yourself or use your own arguments. Thinking for yourself is not being emotional. And since when is being skeptical emotional?

        The best you can do is keep going back to your “books” and what islamic scholars have explained to you as to their meaning. And now you expect me to go to your “books” LOL. You can’t accept books from a false prophet which makes those books false doctrine.

        A sociopath could not be a Prophet of God. Rock on with your moon god and your false prophet, he burns in hell.

        It is good that you move on – you cannot defend islam or mohammed with his own words. Enjoy.

      • Trying to talk to you about true Islam, has been like trying to talk embryo.
        Think how it is to have a conversation with an embryo.
        You might say, “The world outside is vast and intricate.
        There are wheatfields and mountain passes,
        and orchards in bloom.

        At night there are millions of galaxies, and in sunlight
        the beauty of friends dancing at a wedding.”

        You ask the embryo why he, or she, stays cooped up
        in the dark with eyes closed.

        Listen to the answer.

        There is no “other world.”
        I only know what I’ve experienced.
        You must be hallucinating.

      • Praise and glory to Allah who is Self Existent while all things ( other than His essence and attributes) receive their existence from Him.They have need of Him for their origination and continuation while He is in need of NOTHING.

        HE is ONE; in His essence, His attributes, and His ACTS. He but says BE and it will BE.
        No one has partnership with Him in any matter. His existing and His living are not of the same category as the existing and living of created things. His acts and his attributes, like his essence are both without mode and WITHOUT COMPARE. For example the attribute of knowledge as possessed by the Almighty is an eternal attribute. It is a non composite, active awareness such that every piece of information from the beginning to the end of time, alone with its similar and contrary states, in whole and in part, is known to Him all at once. In similar manner His speech is a non composit speech the particular of which are the revealed books.

        CreaTion is an attribute especially of his own. What is the merely contingent that it should be able to create another contingent??? Contingents, whether they be accidents, substance or voluntary acts of mankind are entirely of HIS CREATION. He has veiled His acts with cause and means yet at the same time theses are proof that everything is of His doing.

        It is the will of Allah that whenever one of His servants makes an intention to preform a certain act, that he creates that act and brings it in to existence. On the basis of this semblance of will and power the individual is called an earner, and it is on this basis that he is praised or criticized, rewarded or punished.

        Allah most high is above bodily incarnation and likewise there is nothing capable of becoming incarnated in Him.

        Allah most high encompasses all things and is in the company of and is close to everything that exists by an encompassing, accompanying and closeness of His own. Not the sort that we can comprehend in OUR LIMITED MINDS.

        The Almighty is above what ever vision the people have of Him. Because His essence can’t be witnessed. Thus it is essential to have faith in the unseen.

        Then it is my belief that the Almighty encompasses all things and that He indeed close by even though we DO NOT comprehend the full significance of these terms. Similarly the Almighty sitting on the throne and His presence in the heart of every believer should not be understood in it literal context. We should simply have faith in these things in order to protect our selfs from believing to be true what is not. Mans lot in these matters and that of the Angels as well is no more than ignorance and confusion. To deny any revealed text is Disbelief period and to try to explain it is compound ignorance.

        “Those at the Lords court acknowledged as seers, Venture on further than to say HE IS.

      • Who are you talking to? Yourself?

        I already told you I don’t need to read all this deception.

        Free thinking is destroyed by islam. You are a perfect example of this.

        Now there is nothing remaining to talk about Saith Shine. You just can’t sell islam or your allah to me, I know the truth, sorry. Goodbye.

      • @1:36 He said one can’t understand islam without understanding Stages of Jihad. Understand the stages of jihad is basically understanding the history of islam and islam itself. Like it or not jihad was the way that islam spread. In the beginning when peaceful ways did not work for mohammed, violent ways did. And this is exactly how it played out.

        The first “stage” in Mecca – No retaliation. While still in Mecca, Mohammad and his followers did not retaliate or fight. The suras originating during that time contained teaching of verses like Sura 73:10,11 (be patient and bear with those who deny the truth) – they are peaceful and tolerant.

        The second stage were the first actual instruction for defensive fighting.Several months after arrival in Medina the Muslims began looting the Meccan caravans passing through the area. This eventually led to the Battle of Badr in 624. At that time permission was given to defend themselves by fighting and killing, and looting. The muslim army grows and muhammed gains weath.

        In stage three defensive fighting is now commanded and was a religious obligation.

        Stage four after Mecca was conquered, offensive war was commanded and all pagans that did not convert were to be killed and all Christians and Jews were to convert, pay, or die. At this point in time I think we could effectively say it was hell on earth for anyone who would not submit to islam.

        Guess what, lots of new muslims for islam because many did not want to die. But many many did.

        This is historical. There are 164 jihad verses. As to Abrogation, according to the Quran itself (Sura 2:106, 13:39 and 16:103) alah sometimes substitutes a “better” verse or passage for one previously given, thus superceding the first one. Sura 2:106: “None of our revelations (verses) do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but we substitute something better or similar. Knowest thou not that God hath power over all things?”; Sura 13:39: “God doth blot out or confirm what he pleaseth. With Him is the Mother of the Book.”; Sura 16:101: “When we substitute one revelation for another, – and God knows best what He reveals (in stages), – they say, ‘Thou are but a forger’ but most of them understand not.” Although all Muslim scholars believe that allah replaced some earlier verses by substituting later verses, there is a great difference of opinion among them as to which verses supercede which verses. Nevertheless, most are agreed that Sura 9:5, (called “the verse of the sword”) supercedes most of the previous verses regarding jihad. Some believe it supercedes as many as 111 previous verses. In spite of this general agreement, many today quote the previous replaced verses in order to validate
        their perception of Islam being a peaceful religion. Thus modern, liberal Muslim leaders, especially here in the west, are teaching what could be called “the Islam of Mecca”
        with its emphasis on non violence and tolerance. At the same time, “the Islam of Medina,” with its more aggressive, totalitarian nature is what is being practiced and taught by orthodox, fundamentalist Muslims in most parts of the Muslim world.]

        Later verses counseling Holy War, such the Sword Verse (K 009:005), abrogate earlier verses counseling tolerance and peace, such as K 002:256. How are we to just ignore this? But more so how do you ignore this and these verses.

        So you see, yes one does need to understand jidhad, it has much devoted to it in the quran, why would you want to ignore so many verses? They are an essential part of understanding why islam is not a religion of peace as it is so often put forward as being. The true history of islam does not support this idea at all.

        Though most Muslims today reject the practice of outright forcing others into changing their religion, forced conversion
        has been a part of Islamic history since Muhammad first picked up a sword. And that is the point of him saying one must understand jihad to understand islam. As he is recorded in many places as saying, “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah…” Bukhari 2:25

        When you say all this is false you are in denial of what is islam Saith Shine.

      • thanks a lot, now you’ve gone and made me hungry for some lemon noosa, I sprinkle a few pecans on top. . . . . . . . 😉

  12. Interesting to read all of you professed Christians spew hate. It’s Ironic to read, a religion (Christianity) which is responsible for more death, war and destruction than any other religion in history condemn another religion as being evil or hate filled. Why not pull your nose out of revelations and do something nice for your neighbor.

    • Christianity has its faults. Matter of fact I am agnostic, I don’t follow any religion. I believe in humanity and right of every human being to pursue and prosper through their own effort and will, peacefully and without negative impact on someone else’s.
      The Islamic religion is out of control and a threat to my USA. This Islamic culture must check its insideous attacks upon civilians. I will do my part to hunt and extinguish it on my soil as long at it threatens my homeland and people. I took oaths to defend the USA, Constitution and it’s people as a US Marine and Law Enforcement Officer. Even though I have moved to a non government career, lastly because I disagree with my government, my oath still stands. If Islam, or anyone operating under Islam, feels the compulsion to attack something or someone, take it to the actual threats which is the government officials, on my side and their own, that keep running us against each other. That means well planned strategic attacks without civilian casualties. We American Patriot civilians are at the end of our patience and comfort level with the Islamic people and the US government. At any point, there will be an all out defensive….

    • Your tired old line that Christianity has killed more people than any religion is FALSE. Islam murdered 12-20 Million in India alone. Their Murder in the slavery tops 100 Million. So your statement started with a lie and ended with stupidity. I shake the dust from my feet.

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