What could ISIS do with a bunch of old MiG jets? I have an idea…

If you consider what ISIS has been able to accomplish, it is rather perplexing. Under what is supposed to be an air armada of coalition aircraft aimed at degrading and destroying the barbaric Islamic terrorist army, ISIS is still conducting multiple offensive operations.

Albeit somewhat stalled, ISIS is still pressing the attack against the Syrian Kurdish city of Kobani. ISIS also executed multiple synchronized and coordinated attacks against Kurdish positions in northern Iraq — upwards to 15 different raid-type operations. And ISIS is pressuring the outskirts of Baghdad and has effectively established a three-point cordon around the capitol of Iraq — a city of some 7 million.

One of the things you learn in the military is that you can only have one main effort. You may have two to three supporting efforts, but there is only one primary endeavor which gets the priority of resources.

And so we need to analyze what ISIS is doing with that same perspective. The primary objective of ISIS is to establish an Islamic state, the base of a caliphate ruled under Sharia law — and of course its subsequent expansion. ISIS does not regard secular governance and does not respect the established national boundaries of the Sykes-Picot agreement. ISIS is a Sunni Islamic terrorist army and its origins are from the Sunni effort to undermine and defeat the Shiite/Alawite Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad.

And just to clarify what is the rub between Sunnis and Shiites — Sunnis believe that only a direct descendant of Muhammad can be the ruler. Shiites believe that any faithful and observant Muslim can be the ruler. But make no mistake, both sects believe in Islamic domination and rule. They just get all in a tizzy about who should rule — and the Shiites have not forgotten the massacre at Karbala, enacted by the Sunnis.

So I sense Baghdad represents the main effort for ISIS. Capturing the capitol? Absolutely not, because they’re not in a position to manage such a mass of population, nor do they want to be drawn into the quagmire of urban combat.

But what ISIS seeks to do is destabilize the Iraqi government and the best means to that end are suicide bombers and terrorist attacks – which are happening to a greater degree already.

As reported by the Associated Press, “Recent attacks have killed dozens in Baghdad and the Shiite holy city of Karbala. In the capital, the bomber blew himself up among Shiite worshippers as they were leaving a mosque in a central commercial area after midday prayers Monday. That blast killed at least 17 people and wounded 28, a police officer said. In Karbala, four separate car bombs went off simultaneously, killing at least 26 people and wounding 55, another police officer said. The city, about 90 kilometers (55 miles) south of Baghdad, is home to the tombs of two revered Shiite imams and the site of year-round pilgrimages. The explosives-laden cars were parked in commercial areas and parking lots near government offices, the officer added. The attacks in Baghdad and Karbala, the latest in relentless assaults that have challenged the Shiite-led government, came a day after a suicide bombing targeted another Shiite mosque in the Iraqi capital, killing 28 people. The latest attacks bore the hallmarks of the Islamic State group, which has recently claimed several other large bombings in Baghdad and elsewhere, particularly in Shiite areas.”

ISIS has been focused on consolidating its gains in Iraq’s huge and Sunni western Al Anbar province. And they’ve been able to isolate Baghdad effectively from the northwest to the west to the southwest.

A side benefit for ISIS in its Baghdad effort is delegitimizing the United States and our operations in Iraq. Remember, the world’s largest embassy in Baghdad is ours, and nothing could be better for ISIS than to be in position to launch mortars, artillery or some type of attack against the U.S. embassy itself. As we all know, an embassy represents the sovereign territory of a nation. What greater goal and accomplishment could ISIS have than to breach the walls of the infamous “Green Zone” of our embassy and raise their black flag? Furthermore, ISIS is positioned right at Abu Gharaib, which puts them just outside of artillery firing range against the Baghdad airport.

Just last week there were reports of ISIS fighters getting fighter aircraft training. Now, of course these are very old MiG platforms, but these aircraft aren’t intended to fly traditional bomber or air-to-air missions. Don’t forget what terrorists learned to do with civilian airliners heavy with fuel on 9-11. My assessment is that “IF” ISIS is indeed training fighters to fly fighter aircraft, they will be heavily loaded with ordnance for one purpose — the Islamic kamikaze. And the target would be our U.S. embassy in Baghdad.

No, we cannot allow ISIS to have success at Kobani and must wholeheartedly support the only fighting “boots on the ground” — our Kurdish friends. However, we cannot lose focus on the growing main effort of ISIS in the vicinity of Baghdad, which if successful, would have a huge strategic impact — and rallying cry for Islamo-fascism and jihadism.

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Michael Superczynski
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Just give the USAF/USN/USMC/USArmy a shot at these bozos. They won’t stay in the air for 5 minutes.

Xerocky
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“Now, of course these are very old MiG platforms,”

They’re about as old as the WMD’s that, according to the press until very recently, we “didn’t” find in Iraq. Remember a week ago, the left was hiding behind the word ‘Active’.

That’s because in their world, the Iphone 4s is an antique not worth keeping just in case your new iphone 5c or whatever gets dropped in the toilet.

Justin Ahlquist
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What do you know about military avionics?

Xerocky
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Quite a bit, but I’d rather not go into it.

That being because it’s not really the avionics that I’m referencing here. I’m not saying that the planes are useless or that the Iraq’s WMD’s are useless.The left was saying that.
I’m sure that the EW systems on the plane work to a degree sufficient for a Kamikaze mission.

What’s your point exactly?

Justin Ahlquist
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Are you saying the age of the weapon is irrelevant? Because I would agree with you then.

Xerocky
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Yes.

Shaun Chapman
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and what is your point? Older Migs flown by pilots that have 1 week of training against pilot that have years of training and better planes.

Isaac Carter
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These guys could be defectors from the Syrian air force. The us airforce is not everywhere all the time and these things can fly 1200 miles an hour. Since they could be very effective against a ground target I would say there is good reason to think they could be effective.

Shaun Chapman
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anything could…happen.. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/10/17/former-iraqi-pilots-train-isis-fighters-on-mig-jets.html.

These are test flights and even the article says “the planes have been flying at a low altitude, “apparently to avoid being detected by Syrian military radar in the area.”

He described the flights as a “moral victory” for the Islamic State group, saying “the jets could not fly much further without being knocked down by the (international) coalition.””

lastly, planes need constant repair and upkeep. The more they use them for training, the better chances of something failing that they have no experience and/or parts to repair.

Isaac Carter
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http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/01/19/261345.html

It is very likely that ISIS has very trained pilots and support personnel. We should not underestimate them.

Shaun Chapman
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If they are so trained, why do they need Iraq help in training for the Mig. Most non USA supported countries over there already us the Mig.

Point is even if they find great pilots they have 3 planes to fight the USA Air force and other coalition nations. And once they get in the air and try leave the air field they will have to fight more advance planes.

Not saying its not a problem…I say just drop some bombs on the airfield and destroy the planes now

Jolly Roger
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Aircraft and airfields are difficult to conceal. Since we already know the locations of these aircraft why have they not been targeted for airstrikes?

97E
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Because it doesn’t further Herr Obama’s grand plan.

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Isaac Carter
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These migs can take off from an open field and are small enough to hide.

DNavyBrat
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The real thing is…we’re not the only ones flying! UAE, The Brits, and…if the Germans get in it ….well, those guys are crazy good too! I have faith in our tactical ability and those of our allies!

Terrence Hartley
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What if they are planning to try to attack Israel to draw them into it? Of course Israel’s pilots would wipe them out, but are they wanting to involve them thinking it will gain them more muslims on their side? Just a thought…

DaveTheSuave
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Doubt it. ISIS knows it doesn’t have the strength to deal with Israel, that’s why for now they’re just killing innocents and other Muslims. ISIS is actually pretty good for Israel. It keeps Hamas busy trying to quash the possibility of an uprising and Hezbollah occupied dealing with the Sunni terrorist groups in Syria. So, all in all, the few Westerners whom they killed were those who dumbly went into their territory to “help” them or to sympathise with them, such as Steven Sotloff who converted to Islam in Yemen, and James Foley, who was was a major terrorist sympathiser.… Read more »
DNavyBrat
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These old MiG’s were buried and ran on ethinol! So depending on exactly the generation of MiG, our air suprioroty is still in tact, so is Israel (their pilots are known to be the best!)!

The fact is that unless these ISIS characters were former jet jocks, they only know how to take off but not land with gear down or up! So I can see where they would be the deserts version of the kamakazi; with the exception that the Kamakazi, actually knew how to fly and land, so no real comparison.

Isaac Carter
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They have former Syrian flight instructors. It is a mistake to underestimate these guys, they are way more organized and funded than what we have been dealing with.

DaveTheSuave
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This just serves to show that these guys are pretty serious. I mean they’re not the typical dumba$$ Muslim terrorists (such as those in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbXCoggHoaQ it’s a great watch! They’re serious about what they believe in, and they have a plan on achieving it. They are a real threat to the whole Western world, and nobody regards them as such. And the verses they quote from the Quran are very, very, real. ISIS are the truest form of Muslim you can find, and any Muslim (even the nice one next door) can “find himself” one day in Mosque and start… Read more »
Brigadier
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Flying Bombs

DNavyBrat
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Kamakazi (Japanese term) = Flying bombs

DaveTheSuave
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Well, it literally means “Spirit Wind”, but yeah. These ISIS folks, however, are even crazier than the Japanese were back in WW2!

97E
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“Divine Wind”, actually.

DaveTheSuave
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Spirit and divine have the same word in Japanese, from what I heard. Or there’s a word that means both of ’em

DNavyBrat
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The two words mean the same…Japaneese characters have multiple meanings depending the order in the statement. kamakazies took on the spirit of of the order of The Rising Sun (the redred “Zero”)…the history is fascinating!

DaveTheSuave
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I was always interested in Japanese culture and history. Read up extensively on Chinese history, but never did the same when it came to the Japanese. I’m thinkin’ of goin’ there sometime, Japan is, on one hand, a modern country, but they also have an authentic culture not replaced by a shallower version of Western culture as many other Asian countries’ traditions have been. They also don’t let Muslims into their country (a genius idea that the West oughta implement ASAP) and are legendary for their politeness. Sounds like a fun place to visit!

And thanks for the info!
Dave

DNavyBrat
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I have an innate respect and love for the Japanese, even though as a child celebrating my birthday there was not a joyous occasion (Aug. 6); even though it was decades after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki! A couple of my BFFs in Hawaii and Japan were Japanese. I understood their and loved their respect and culture.Even their poorset of poor are clean and respectful. They’re respectful to their elderly (that’s the Asian culture anyway) , even if they don’t always agree; that’s how I was raised by my Parents in the Navy! Historically, while we were fighting the… Read more »
NamVet69
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The bigger target might be a aircraft carrier or ship…..

jp
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We also have multiple (seawis) turrets also known as Vulcan mini guns that can’t shoot down air craft and missiles with ease and accuracy

DNavyBrat
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And they’d be intercepred!

NamVet69
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its been my understanding for years that a plane flying low to the earth or water is not detectable by radar…if that is not the case as in the past then disregard my concern…if not …stay prepared and vigilant.

DNavyBrat
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Our radar capabilities are amazing! They’d be marked sooner than they’d like! They are at battle station ready, so I have every confidence in our Navy, Marine Corps, Army and Air Heads! 😉

97E
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Flying nap of the earth is not a simple matter. We train our strike fighter pilots hard in low level flying, especially the Marine pilots.

These turds are unlikely to have more than a couple days training in just how to take off and navigate the aircraft before they are sent off to meet Uncle Allah and their promised 72 Virginians.

Paul Sheridan
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A plane flying low can stay below the radar “horizon” as it approaches but that only works outside of a certain radius. Anti-ship missiles tend to follow the same flight pattern and fly much faster than any airplane. As a result we have spent a lot of money on figuring out how to shoot down an incoming target that’s flying close to the water. An aircraft carrier moves within a perimeter of other ships and aircraft. Some of those ships have extremely powerful and sophisticated radar systems on board as well as advanced surface to air missiles. There may be… Read more »
NamVet69
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cool that…nice to know the IT radar guys are on top of it

Brigadier
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Of course, if our AWACS do detect these taking off for a kamikaze mission, will we have time to wake up Obola while he rests for another fund raiser before they strike their target?

Dennis Schmidt
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Thy have captured 3 whole aircraft from the soviet era!! LMAO!! these aircraft are junk! more dangerous to the pilot than anyone else. they couldn’t get anywhere near Bagdad nor Israel, even if the entire Israeli air force where dead drunk, sound asleep!

jp
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They captured a shipment of newer migs that were meant for al assad

DNavyBrat
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They didn’t capture; they procured what was Russia’s breaking of Sanctions to that region! Iraq, has buried a few new ones that our Troops found! Along with the new French Mirages Franch sold to Iraq! Remember which three countries wanted no part of us going after Iraq! The were breaking sanctions left and right; France, Russia and China.

Isaac Carter
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Do you know how many countries and private citizens still fly these? It is a mistake to continue to underestimate this group. They have the money to make these serviceable, and against ground targets they will be very effective. They are too fast to hit with hand held weapons. Sure, every flight is a suicide mission with the US in the air, but that can play to their advantage as well.

Dennis Schmidt
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yeah, a few countries do actually still use the Mig-21 usually when they are trying to get rid of a pilot they don’t like very much, the Russians still fly a few, though “fly” is a loose term for what they do. I know of no private citizen who would choose to fly one..well unless maybe they were tired of living.

97E
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The MiG 21 was built to be durable and easy to maintain. The Soviets rode them hard for a very very long time.

Fighter aircraft from that era were built to last. FFS, first world countries are still flying the F4 Phantom II, which left active service in the American inventory in the early 80s (replaced by the F14 and the F/A18).

Isaac Carter
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Museums around the world still fly theirs. They show up in a lot of air shows. There is nothing wrong with them.

Face it, a terrorist organization has 3 planes capable of mac 2. Of course they can do damage with it. Stop being so silly.

97E
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They won’t survive in combat operations, not with American Hornets and French Rafaeles in that airspace, against veteran professional combat pilots.

Terror is pretty much the only thing that those imbeciles are capable of using them for.

Isaac Carter
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Exactly. One thing though, I remember reading that a large number of pilots with Syria ‘ s airforce defected. It seems reasonable that they have veteran pilots as well. No, they can’t fight newer technology, but they could bomb and ditch

DaveTheSuave
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Israel ain’t being threatened. There are a bunch of targets of opportunity in Baghdad and the neighboring countries to Iraq, namely US military bases and embassies. You don’t need a brand new F16 to crash!

97E
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Let’s not forget just who they hate even more than the United States: The Shiite nation of Iran.

Dennis Schmidt
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I said Baghdad or Israel, fact is I doubt these aircraft would make it far they are complete piles, a guy with single shot 12ga shot gun could probably shoot them down…all at once!! they really are that bad.

DaveTheSuave
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Underestimating the enemy can be a bad mistake. Better to take them too seriously than get surprised 9/11-style

Dennis Schmidt
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Lmao!! that’s funny!! its an over estimation just for these aircraft to even fly!! there’s good reason the soviets dumped them, they are no match for any air force any where.

97E
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They have already been flown. Recently, at that.

Isaac Carter
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True, they are no match for an air force. No one is saying they are, just the comparison in silly. But against ground targets, that is a whole different story. These things are very serviceable and in the hands of a country full of terrorists. You have to be very naive to think that ISIS can’t use them on a successful mission.

Snap N McGarrett
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Kamakaze tactics aren’t only for Imperial Japan.

Dennis Schmidt
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yeah except for the Japanese had competent pilots, and good aircraft. in fact i’d wager a Mitsubishi Zero could take on the Isis “air force” and win the aircraft are genuinely that bad.

Tristan Chris Heiss
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The Zero was designed by American Howard Hughes who sold it to the Japs after america renegged on the deal to buy them

97E
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Please leave your ignorance offline.

Maximus Max
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Learning how to fly sophisticated aircraft even over and beyond their physical limitations is no big deal. I few hours on a home PC and a couple flights in a Cessna and anybody can be a pilot.

DNavyBrat
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There’s a big difference even between Sim time and real time! Yes, you get hand to eye coordination practice, but you still need the real time flight to get the feel of the actual aircraft!

Maximus Max
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Your response sounds perfectly logical. So why then do we accept that these idiots could fly?

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-07-12/911-hijackers-amateur-aviators-who-became-super-pilots-september-11

DNavyBrat
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Taking off and landing are the two Of the most dangerous things a pilot learns! Multiple things can happen on take offs and landing! With that said, once up in the air, its a matter of riding it out! Tactical flying takes hours of flight hours in both real time practice and sim! Otherwise, their lawn darts.

Maximus Max
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So flying 747’s over their air speed limitations and hitting a tower about as wide as your wing span dead center, TWICE, is considered no big deal? Find me a link to a pilot who says almost anyone with a few hours of Sim time and single engine flight time could pull that off. I’ll be here.

Maximus Max
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Crickets…

jba
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“Sunnis believe that only a direct descendant of Muhammad can be the ruler.” OK, so who are those descendants? How about this for an excellent idea. We find each and every last one of them and kill them all… Now they will have no one to lead them.

Larry Hemenover
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Every single goat in the area is eligable

DaveTheSuave
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One of them will then just pretend to be one. Now, the Shiites “any faithful and observant Muslim can be the ruler”. It’d be an even better idea to implement your strategy on that target 🙂

Lon Pirkl
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Get Obama off his ass and maybe something can be done to really help the Kurds. If the Kurds would win this fight against ISIS they will have the equipment to do what ISIS is doing now. That is just the way it goes with the rag heads.

Tristan Chris Heiss
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the best way to get him off his ass is with a rope.

jp
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The sad part is France is doing more then us last I heard the 5th foreign Legion I’d landing on make shift air fields in kurdish areas as well as rafael fighter bombers doing close air support I mean common the French fighting harder then us.

DNavyBrat
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Let’s not forget the French sold brand new Mirages Iraq during Sanction’s, which they hid from us by burrying them! So did the Russian’s with MiGs and China with supplies! To me, this is a subdural hematoma they are trying to fix! They should get in volved considering the state of their Nations crack down on Muslims!

97E
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God bless the Foreign Legion!

DNavyBrat
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Let’s not forget about the Female Pilot and Major in the UAE Air Force flying an F-16! Imagine that, taking the risk of not receiving their Virgins and going directly to hell by dying at hands of a female! Let alone a Muslim female, who actually knows how to fly! Lol..say bye-bye you!

watcherofolde
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Why don’
t we just blow them up or shoot them down during training?

97E
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Because of the Nobel Peace Prize presidunce won’t authorize them to fire on his good friends.

Tristan Chris Heiss
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the Nobelist has bombed 7 countries already more than any President

Jim Anderson
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Shut up!

Homer Nesmith
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Mr. West, I enjoy reading your thoughts and you make great points on all. However, In your article it states: “And just to clarify what is the rub between Sunnis and Shiites — Sunnis believe that only a direct descendant of Muhammad can be the ruler. Shiites believe that any faithful and observant Muslim can be the ruler”. I thought the beliefs were just the opposite, that Sunnis took the position the any faithful and observant Muslim can be the ruler. Might be a typo or I could be mistaken. I do admire your work and please stay on the… Read more »
DaveTheSuave
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If I ain’t mistaken, the Shia’s believe Ali (not a descendant of Muhammad) should have ruled, while the Sunnis state that the rule was hereditary, and thus it passed on to Mohammed’s grandson (if I remember correctly)

Dave

Homer Nesmith
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Just looked it up, Ali was a cousin to Muhammad. Still perplexed…

DaveTheSuave
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Um, I think Ali was Muhammad’s cousin but was his closest adviser, confidant, and companion. That’s why the Shia’s said he should’ve ruled, not due to his family. The Sunnis said that his grandson should rule, due to it being the closest direct relativeMUhammad had

Tristan Chris Heiss
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Islam is Islam..kill ’em all let their satanic god sort ’em out.

tonyc
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These planes would be perfect targets for GTA defenses, with these out
dated MIGs and newly trained, inexperienced pilots. The big question. Do we
have enough, if any sophisticated anti aircraft defenses in the region? It seems as though, this administration’s lack of planing has caused a crisis for
every one.

97E
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It isn’t a lack of planning that’s the problem.

The problem is that this IS their plan!

tonyc
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Touche

Tristan Chris Heiss
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dead on 97E.. dead on.

jba
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They may load the planes with the “missing” WMDs from Iraq. They can then deliver them in a suicide mission against some unknown (to us) target.

Cattleprod of Enlightenment
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Cattleprod of Enlightenment

On the first missing Malaysian airliner.

DaveTheSuave
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I was reading an intriguing book a few days back that gave quite compelling proof that those WMDs did exist. And now, they’re probably in ISIS’s hands. There’s also quite solid evidence they were using chemical weapons on Kurds.

MACHGLOBAL
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Good theory.

Mine is the belief that real estate acquisition and bombing the Iraqii government from the air then sending in ISIS ground troops to take over Baghdad is the real goal . Bombing an embassy is a moral victory. Taking over the country is a strategic victory and a price that will gather larger collateral.

Obama is enabling that event by not sending in the 82nd Airborne or a tank corp.

Rick Derris
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Col. West, I think you might have the distinction reversed. I thought that shiites believed a relative of Mohammed was to rule and they followed Mohammed’s cousin, Ali, after Mohammed died.

Sorry, I do not mean to worry about minutiae. Your thesis on the kamikaze attack makes a lot of sense. Supposedly some of the jets captured were MiG-23s and they can carry a few tons of ordinance.

SB_Smith
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I’m not going to worry about the distinction between the groups under the umbrella of islam if they ALL want us dead…..And we know they do….

Linda League
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No, Co. West has it right.

Alex Walker
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You are partially right. Shia Muslims believe that just as a prophet is appointed by God, so only God has the authority to choose the successor of Muhammad. So, all Shias believe in, is that God choose Ali to be the successor of Muhammad. Also, as you said Ali was the closest relative of Muhammad who was qualified to be his Successor (but his relation with Muhammad was just a coincidence). I asked from a Shia scholar.

notislam
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It all boils down to ——ISLAM where FREEDOM ENDS!

Henry Rearden
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Sorry, I do not mean to worry about minutiae. But it should be ordnance. 🙂 Ordinance is a law. Ordnance is designed to kill people and/or break things.

Paul Sheridan
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Well they can carry a few tons either way. I suppose you could load them up with legal dictionaries and such if you could fit them into a bomb casing 😉

Henry Rearden
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Please pm me so that I can give you the address to send the new keyboard! That’s funny right there–I don’t care who you are.

DaveTheSuave
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I think that the Sunnis said it would be Mohammed’s grandson who’d rule, and the Shias believed in Ali ruling due to his status as Mohammed’s closest companion, not due to his heritage. While the Sunnis say the rule is in the blood.

I could be mistaken though, Dave

Tristan Chris Heiss
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who cares? turn the desert to glass.. this time leave none to breed. that was the last crusaders mistake.

Analyzer123
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I wish they would hurry up and fly them, our pilots could use the air to air combat live training…

avnrulz
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All three seconds of it…

Fred Keefer
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Don’t worry Barry’s got this, and from what I can see it looks to be about a Par 4.

avnrulz
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What we need is a few good Neutron Bombs.

Mike Finley
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Can we bring the Enola Gay out of retirement for just one mission?

Donald D Conley
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Mike that sounds great to me…If we could just separate the innocents

alnga
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Innocents?….who in this war over there is innocent?. This has been going on for nearly four thousand years with just the Arabs without Islam, and Islam has just poured fuel on the everlasting hatred for each other and the Non-Islamic masses.
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Tristan Chris Heiss
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what innocents? there are no innocents in islam

Cattleprod of Enlightenment
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Cattleprod of Enlightenment

Newborns are innocents- they’ve not been indoctrinated yet.

Tristan Chris Heiss
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obviously your not a liberal then.

John Andrews
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Time for A-10 run,dropping Nerve Gas.Rats back to their sand holes.

jlagrayfox
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Funny……I laid out the same game plan about a week ago. I said that Kobani was just a strong diversion for ISIS. The Baghdad Airport and the USA Embassy were the real prizes. ISIS wants to destroy the airport and blow up the embassy with USA staff inside it. But….there is another bad twist……..ISIS is now, Once again, attacking the major dam in all of Iraq. They intend to blow up the dam walls and flood Baghdad and our embassy at the same time. In addition, they are capturing small Kurdish towns all over northern Iraq. They are tough because… Read more »
SB_Smith
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Another interesting history lesson !
Thank you !

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Politico and Politifact’s rated Allen West as worst historian revisionist of all. That is why Floridans voted his ass out.

bald1956
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I would agree. One problem they could face is just like al-qaieda in Iraq, back when we had a real President, George W. Bush. The Sunnis got tired of the murders, stealing, torture, of al-Qaeda and rose up against them and wiped them out. Of course, we had a real President with a real policy, in those days.

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“Real president” who lied to us into war, lied to us about WMD, lied to us about length of war, and lied to us about war will bring down the oil cost.

mike21222
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Yeah, except we did find WMD in Iraq. The dems signed off on the war as well, they were right in sync with Bush on it. It wasn’t Bush’s lie, it was Harry Reid. He’s the one that said there was WMD in Iraq and we needed to attack. And the price of gas when Bush left office was $1.86. At least make some sense when you go on a partisan rant. Troll!

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Reid? Look at Cheney, Hastert, Boehner, McConnell, DeLay, and Republican-lite Feinstein, they all say the same and you left them out. Shhhhhhhhhh

RedStateJoe
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No, we didn’t, unless you mean some random rusting remnants of a destroyed WMD program. That’s like saying you raided a warehouse to pull out millions and millions of dollars worth of ammo and because you found some bullets under a couch your efforts were proven legitimate.

Nothing the Bush Administration promised we would find was found. Bush lied us into a war against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

Truth – deal with it.

Earl Lee
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When you had a real president? You mean the real president that LIED and cost more than 4000 american troops their LIVES?? You mean the REAL president that let 2 planes fly into the world trade center killing thousands?? You mean the real president that created the worse economic collapse since the great depression? You men the real president that was losing almost a million jobs per month?? THAT real president????

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Marjorie Lee Peterson
He didn’t lie about anything. He tried to protect this country from exactly what is going on now! And while HE was president, we were protected! Obama isn’t protecting anyone but ISIS! He’s on their side and wants them to win, and come here on our own soil with the war. Hoping they will leave him in charge here. The enemy is in our White House and has all the power in the world. Because he breaks the law every 5 minutes and commits treason every 10 minutes!! He acts as if Congress doesn’t even exist and like the Constitution… Read more »
Earl Lee
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Sorry LOON but history has proven you WRONG!! He CREATED what is going on NOW!!!

James Jones
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First Bush didn’t lie. Saddam had nerve gas and used it on his own citizens. it’s easy to make, a Japanese cult made it in warehouse. And if Bush lied, then so did Hilliary.. There’s a video of her waving her hand and saying “of course saddam has WMD’s”, funny you guys never mention that The 911 attack was planned during Clinton’s administration. And the economic “collapse” occurred a couple of months after Bush took office, the Tech Market Bubble popped. And if you really want to blame someone, try Barney Frank running Fannie May. Lots of blame to go… Read more »
mike21222
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James, you are so right sir. And it’s a good thing they did not put Saddam and Osama in Guantanimo, because Obumpkin would have traded them for a deserter like Bergdahl.

Earl Lee
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Sorry Skippy but AMERICA wasn’t told that we went to war because was using gas on his own people….we were told that Saddam was a THREAT to the US…..which turns out wasn’t the TRUTH!!!

Marjorie Lee Peterson
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Marjorie Lee Peterson
It WAS the truth!! But now, since Obama ruined everything we did there under Bush, someone took Sadam’s place and started ISIS! You think they wouldn’t have popped up faster if Bush hadn’t done what he did? They would have, but President Bush fixed em so they couldn’t! Then Obama comes along and pulls out, too early, and up comes ISIS. It’s all HIS fault!! Now he helps ISIS every chance he gets. He bombs sites where he won’t hurt any ISIS members so he looks like he’s doing something cause he wants Dems. to win in the next election.… Read more »
Earl Lee
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This the part that you simple minded LOONS do not understand. Going into IRAQ unstabilized the ENTIRE REGION! Al Qaeda was not in IRAQ before bush invaded for a LIE!

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Bush-lickers are well known for short term memory. Can’t argue with them.

Marjorie Lee Peterson
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Marjorie Lee Peterson

And Obama worshipers are so drunk on kool-aid, that they think he’s some kind of god! He’s NOT!! He’s just the opposite!! He has horns and a tail, just makes you so you can’t see them. That’s what the kool-aid is for!

Larry Aldrich
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BS..we had Iraq conquered before this current disaster in charge!

Earl Lee
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OH….you are a LOON!!

Larry Aldrich
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Oh ..tell me how? Just stated the obvious! The loon would be someone that doesn’t realize it!

bald1956
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NO, I think you are.

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No you’re the one is real loon here.

bald1956
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If stating facts as opposed to spewing regime talking points is lunacy you may have a point.

Marjorie Lee Peterson
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Marjorie Lee Peterson

Yep, Democrats hate facts!

bald1956
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Yes, that real president, nincompoop. You obviously are behind the times; there are recently stories out that ISS got its hands on a large cache of chemical weapons in Iraq, thousands of them. They are degraded but they are there. For some reason that information was kept secret by the military. Bush did not lie. He may have made a misrepresentation but one that he believed to be true. The real problem is the World is populated by stupid people such as yourself, that are full of hate and refuse to look at facts. That real President had Iraq in… Read more »
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Reagan and H.W. Bush sold these weapons recently unearthed.

bald1956
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Bull crap.

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And keep whining please.

Marjorie Lee Peterson
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Marjorie Lee Peterson

There ya go! Don’t listen to the facts! Obama says listen only to him! But he’s a pathological liar!

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I don’t think Obama made distinction of that kind from your own head. He doesn’t demand people to listen to him.

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Oh yes but deny it all you want to but it’s reality. History has already been written. Revisit them all you like but it’s Republican’s golden boys who sold taxpayer paid weapons to Saddam.

Earl Lee
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You mean those OLD BURIED weapons that were found…there are NOT the weapons that we went to war for….we were told that he was making NEW weapons and was a threat to the united states….that was a LIE

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Wouldn’t recommend to argue with these anti-Obama fringes. It’s not worth it. Their brains got fried by their own hatred and Allen West simply made it worse by douse more gasoline into the firestorm of hate.

Marjorie Lee Peterson
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Marjorie Lee Peterson

The real hate of the country and all in it comes from the Obama camp! For heaven’s sake, open your eyes, and throw out the kool-aid!!

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I literally once served Kool Aid at tea party rally and the two big barrels ran out within half hour. 😀

Earl Lee
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HATE = More funds for the fraudulent GUARDIAN FUND!

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Allen West isn’t even in politics anymore yet he continue to collect the funds largely thanks to his HATE rhetorics.

bald1956
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First understand that a lie is an intentional misrepresentation. Second, under the cease fire accords 1991, Iraq was under an obligation to disclose ALL of their weapons They did not. Try and educate yourself so you do not sound so ignorant.

Earl Lee
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First understand that a lie is an intentional misrepresentation….exactly….we were told that he were making weapons and had the capabilities to make weapons…LIE!! MUSHROOM CLOUDS….lie

bald1956
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You need a rabies shot.

Earl Lee
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don’t have rabies…you need a KNOWLEDGE shot

Marjorie Lee Peterson
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Marjorie Lee Peterson

You don’t even know what KNOWLEDGE is!! Actually, what you need is a magnifying glass so you can find your brain. Seems to have slipped out through your ear!

bald1956
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I have plenty of knowledge, unlike you. You and other Libs run on pure hate and ignorance

Earl Lee
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Apparently you have ZERO knowledge! If you had knowledge you would know that the majority of the stuff that allen (rob these loons blind) west is his opinion are can’t be backed up by fact. If you had KNOWLEDGE you would know that allen (rob these loons blind )west is a conman only out to get you people that are void of knowledge to donate to his fraudulent GUARDIAN FUND! If you had KNOWLEDGE you would know that the fraudulent GUARDIAN FUND only gave out 35k to candidates out of 4 million while 3 million was spent on FUNDRAISING. Since… Read more »
bald1956
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Sorry moron, but Allen West is not the only person saying that ISIS may have captured some warplanes and ex-Iraqi pilots are teaching them to fly them. Maybe if you cared enough about your own country as you hate conservatives, you would not sound so dumb.

Earl Lee
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I love my country so much that I am not eager to send our young men and women off to die when the countries involved are not as eager!! IDIOT!

bald1956
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NO one is “eager” to send our people into harms way, IDIOT. The difference is that some realize that NOT engaging those who want to attack us can result in many more innocent lives lost. We were not attacking anyone on 9/11, were we?

Earl Lee
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Oh you right wing loons do not think about the troops or their families when you are so willing to send these young americans off to DIE!!! IDIOT!! Thank God for President Obama!

bald1956
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Sometimes, being a blinded idiotic ideologue follower of Lord Barack, makes you appear as you are, stupid. You are in an elite group. The group that really and strongly believes he has done outstanding is about nine percent.

Earl Lee
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Believe it or not…the man memorized his lines, use a ASTROLOGER and nancy ran the country…and to top it all off HE IS A CRIMINAL!!!

bald1956
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More hate and stupidity from Earl.

Earl Lee
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I’m the one that can see between the LIES IDIOT…his record stands for itself and the numbers do not LIE!!! At least the man is trying to HELP the american people….I do not know what republicans have done to help the american worker in the last 20 years!

bald1956
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It is pathetic when a mindlessly stupid ideologue is so taken by Lord Barack that he cannot even pull his head out and see what is going on. “At least the man is trying to HELP?” How, pray tell? If he is trying to help the American worker, why are the only people who are getting ahead, the wealthy Wall Street types? Why are fewer people working now then when he took office? Why is most of the job growth low wage part time service work? Why are wages still down and prices still going up? I assume where you… Read more »
Earl Lee
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Here’s just a short list of some of the bills that Republicans have blocked, or attempted to block, since Obama became President: Tax on Companies that ship jobs overseas- A bill that would have eliminated a tax break that companies get when they ship jobs overseas. Republicans blocked this, allowing companies to keep the tax break they receive when they ship jobs to other countries. Political Ad disclosure bill- Would have required all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves. Republicans blocked this, not once but twice. Subpoena Power for the Committee investigating the BP Oil Spill– Give subpoena power… Read more »
bald1956
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I suspect that this is a cut and paste job. AS far as refusing to end a tax break on companies, the current tax structure and regulation situation is driving production over seas. If I had my way, there would be no corporate income tax at all. Currently, we have the highest. There are some things in your list I would like to see. Fixing immigration is one such area. However, in order to do that and make the compromises, you have to have a trustworthy person or group on the other side. Let’s say Obama did work out a… Read more »
Earl Lee
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History has taught us that the “STIMULUS” was successful…also, republicans are more responsible for today’s economy ….they have done absolutely NOTHING to help the economy which is the reason I call them DOMESTIC TERRORIST! They are more interested in seeing obama fail than the country succeeding!

Earl Lee
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You can’t PREVENT those that want to attack us entirely….if that were the case we would have these brave young americans all over the WORLD! This is what I like about obama that republicans don’t understand….he is looking out for our TROOPS and not sending them to fight someone else fight!

bald1956
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Fraud is fraud, but I do not keep tabs on Allen West. I id respond to his article. I am more interested in the substance, not hating he messenger. The bottom line is that the Sunnis had turned on al-Qaida in 207 ad 2008 and Iraq did stabilize. The bottom line is that Obama failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement, even though, at the time, the USA held all of the cards. The bottom line is that Obama did dither in Syria and cowered, when his “red line” was crossed. That is why we have the problems we… Read more »
Marjorie Lee Peterson
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Marjorie Lee Peterson

Yep, that was his brain. Maybe it rolled under the couch?

Earl Lee
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If the MESSENGER has no CREDIBILITY how can you trust him?? Also, Obama is suppose to FORCE another nation to accept out troops?? They didn’t want our troops there so they came home….which I say GREAT because they should not have been there in the first place! Iraq RUINED allen (rob these loons blind) west military career…being relieved of command and all!

bald1956
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Easy, just look for alternate sources. Obama could have “forced” because Iraq needed us. The reason they spurned Lord Barack is that he was not interested in leaving a sufficient force to do anything.

Earl Lee
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How’d about this novice idea….how about we let the IRAQI people shed blood for IRAQ….enough americans has died!

bald1956
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Just one problem; ISIS is not just interested in Iraq. They want to establish a state in Iraq and Syria. They then want to push on and establish a world-wide caliphate. They have threatened the United States. Just a reminder to you: WE were not in Iraq in 2001. The only military presence we had in the Middle East was around 5,000 personnel in Saudi Arabia, at the government’s request, out in the middle of nowhere, to serve as a deterrent to Saddam Hussein attacking the kingdom. Yet we were attacked in 9/11 in the United States. Were were attacked… Read more »
Earl Lee
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That makes NO SENSE!! We should have FORCED ourselves on a sovereign nation?? Do u know how silly that sounds

Marjorie Lee Peterson
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Marjorie Lee Peterson

Do you, can your little brain realize how safe we would be now if he had forced us on them? They would be thanking us! You really are an idiot and there is no hope for you. Thank God the sane people outnumber the Obamabots by a good margin. Unless they fix the voting machines, he’s history after January. He well be a real lame duck president till we kick him out after his impeachment, then he’ll be in prison for TREASON!

Earl Lee
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We are not the WORLDS police and our military shouldn’t be used to fix all the worlds problems! Let their own countrymen die for their COUNTRY!! IDIOT!!

Earl Lee
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Do you know how much more safer we would be if we didn’t go to IRAQ because of a LIE???

Marjorie Lee Peterson
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Marjorie Lee Peterson
Ok, it’s very apparent that liberals will never believe the truth! I knew u all hate facts, but u make up your own. You are hopeless! Thing is, with what I and all Christians believe, we don’t have to be afraid to die. All that does is send us home to family who has been waiting for us. We don’t say “goodbye” at a funeral. We just say “cya later!”. I KNOW where I’ll be after I leave the earth, so that doesn’t worry me at all. You people who think it’s all over when u die, and there is… Read more »
bald1956
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Your words do sound silly. They also sound ignorant. First we had every legal justification to go into Iraq. WE led a coalition of countries in 1991, to expel Iraq from Kuwait. That was sanctioned by the UN. We succeeded. Iraq signed a cease fire accord and we withdrew from Iraqi territory. Saddam Hussein broke the accords in many ways. One of those ways was to fail to prove that Iraq had eliminated all of its weapons of mass destruction, which includes chemical. Iraq did not eliminate them all and failed to cooperate with the United Nations. I know that… Read more »
thundrn
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and that’s just the beginning Earl, pleasure sir. Come to FB I have public settings and have been fighting the good fight for a couple years. Posted some real ass pictures of what fast is inbound, the bomb! God Bless sir! Duane Steckler is my name on FB

Cattleprod of Enlightenment
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Cattleprod of Enlightenment

Hey, Obola makes me sick- Bush did, too. You definitely need to watch this:

http://youtu.be/uUMOWZc8PU8

BOTH sides are guilty.

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Obola? Is that your mom’s name? 😉

Don Allen
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It would certainly help if we weren’t “accidentally” dropping arms to ISIS. I have to wonder about that. With Obama, it is probably not an accident.

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Thill
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No Mr West has it right the sunni’s are the ones that believe the caliph has to be a descendent of muthammad.

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Cattleprod of Enlightenment

And just how the heck do these freaks determine who is a direct descendant of Muhammad in consideration of their uh, morals?

thundrn
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if you are watching any regular news, Brian Williams. the blond candy, you know on FOX< ABC, NBC, CNN< any news paper, you are not getting the truth, never have! Want to know why they fear the web, the facts, real-time communications for all worldwide. I have several friends all over the planet. Go to my FB page if you want to see the real happenings, and the links I post. Public settings, come one come all!

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How unsurprising, Allen West knew of this but he won’t share it with his gullible and loyal commenters here. ISIS have not yet flown these obsolete MiGs. MiG-21 (There is no MiG-23 captured by ISIS) is Cold War relic fighter, nimble and agile but it’s avionics and sensors are so outdated by 30 years. Single F-22 can take out three MiG-21 under ISIS by using its powerful radar spectrometer to fry out MiGs’ avionics and it will crash. All without doing single turn or single missile and single bullet fired by F-22. Allen West knew but he doesn’t want to… Read more »
mike21222
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How warped our sense of boundaries has become. So it’s ok for ISIS to have jet fighters with bombing capabilities, but how dare Allen West not have shared some other relevant information on the capabilities or lack therof of these aircraft. Your short sightedness in your partisan rant here is… YAWN, tiresome. Time for a nap… ZZZ

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You clearly doesn’t understand my point. But that’s so Allen-lickers. ISIS haven’t flown these jets. Why? Of course, once it takes off, it’s going to get shot down immediately. Allen just want to sell his bullshit of fear to people like you. Looks like terrorists are outsmarting Allen West.

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I’m so dang tired of chuckle-heads like West using the Internet to communicate to ISIS ways to kill Americans. He’s been telling them all along that they should bring a dirty bomb across the southern border, telling them that Obama has an open border policy, has pulled the border guards inland and it’s just a stroll to enter the US. No matter how many Obama stops, West is always there encouraging yet another terrorist to give it a try. Now he is sending messages to his ISIS counterparts on how to use antiquated airplanes to kill Americans. Way to put… Read more »
Sharon ODonnell
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Wow anyone in the military past or present knows or anticipates what the enemy will or can do… And builds defences with that anticipation .Ovomit would be wise to listen ,but he is on Isis team so naaah!

RedStateJoe
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Loose lips sink ships – West is hoping for American body bags just so he can improve his political profile.

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Ok, so Iraq. It may well be that the situation begs the U.S. to take the country as American territory. For one, I did not give that land to you. My military (if I’m elected) did not go to lose thousands of lives, to have tens of thousands injured, and to help Iraqi people have a free land to do with what they wanted, to turn it over. It is clear what they are (perceived to be). Pawns in the game. One moment an administration pulls them one way, and the next they get told to let all their work… Read more »