A politically incorrect view of Columbus Day (yes, it’s tied to Islam)

Happy Columbus Day! Now, I know that’s going to upset some folks who want to rename this Indigenous People’s Day. But I for one am very appreciative for the endeavor upon which Genoan Christopher Columbus embarked upon in 1492.

It’s time for a little trek through history because Columbus’ achievement is relevant to where we are today.

To understand his achievement, we need to put the whole episode into context.

After Mohammad’s conquest of Mecca circa 628 AD, his strategic objective went beyond what we know as the Arabian peninsula. Upon his death, that vision was still maintained by what would be known as the Umayyad Caliphate. It was under this Caliphate that Islam violently expanded across North Africa, after which the North African Berbers, Moors, and the Islamic armies turned their sights across the Mediterranean towards the Iberian Peninsula and Europe.

The Islamic conquest of what is now Spain and Portugal began in 711 and lasted fully until 718 when the conquered land was renamed Al Andalusia — something which modern Islamo-fascists and jihadists use today. Between 728 and 732 AD, the Islamic armies sought to expand their reach beyond Spain into what is now France.

It was in 721 AD at the Battle of Toulouse where a victorious Christian army led by Duke Odo of Aquitaine over an Umayyad Islamic army checked the spread of Umayyad control. And 11 years later in 732 AD at the Battle of Tours it was Charles “The Hammer” Martel who gave the Umayyad caliphate a serious setback in its objective of conquering Europe from the east.

It also signaled the beginning of Islamic rule in the Iberian peninsula and what became known as the “Reconquista.” It took some 781 years for the Spanish to break the stranglehold of the Islamic occupation, but it finally came with the combined strength of Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castille in 1492 — with the fall of Grenada — check out one of Charleston Heston’s great movies, “El Cid,” to gather an understanding of the conflicts on the Iberian peninsula at the time.

However, something happened before the success of Ferdinand and Isabella in Spain — Constantinople fell in 1453 to the Ottoman Turks and signaled a huge defeat for what had been known as the center of the Eastern Roman Catholic empire. It was the fulfillment of the letter which Mohammad had sent to the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius way back around 628 AD.

Most importantly, it cut off the eastward trade route to the Indies and China, critical for European commerce. Subsequently there would be two major engagements that were successful in checking the Islamic conquest of Europe: one was the naval battle of Lepanto in 1571 and the other was the Battle of Vienna in 1683 — of course Europe today still remains under siege from Islamo-fascism and jihadism.

So the man from Genoa, Christopher Columbus, stepped forward not only to challenge the belief that the world was flat, but to find a westward route by sea to the Indies and China. With the defeat of the Islamic armies, Columbus believed he could find favor with Ferdinand and Isabella, and indeed Isabella took a liking and supported Columbus’ endeavor. So we can thank Islamic conquest for inspiring Columbus to find a new trade route west.

Many condemn Columbus for his endeavor because of the clash of civilizations, which brought disease and death to the indigenous peoples of the New World. As well, with a completely warranted fear of the spread of Islam, the Spanish had adopted Roman Catholicism as a state-sponsored religion and hoped to spread it to the New World in order to counter Islam.

Another horrific residual effect from the Islamic conquest of over 780 years was the Spanish Inquisition, which had abhorrent effects on the Jewish community, which had fled the Middle East and the Holy Land because of Islamic conquest.

This is why we don’t have a state-sponsored religion in America, but we do have a Judeo-Christian faith heritage, and the freedom to practice.

The Jewish diaspora began under Roman Emperor Hadrian around 135 AD after the unsuccessful Bar Kokhba revolt where upon victory, Hadrian renamed Judea as Palaestinia, andJerusalem became known as the Roman province of Aeolia Capitolina. Of course after Mohammed’s rise, a thriving Jewish community was driven from the Middle East as well — so we now know who are the real occupiers forcing people from their traditional homelands.

But, today we celebrate and remember this Italian explorer who realized the world needed a new trade route because of Islamic conquest — and just so you know, the Umayyad caliphate was followed by the Abbasid caliphate. And here we are today, some 1400 years later, still confronting Islamic conquest by violence, displacement of other indigenous religions by Islam, and the establishment of a caliphate.

We thank Christopher Columbus, but now the world needs another Charles Martel.

340 COMMENTS

  1. One correction: no one believed the Earth was flat. That’s a 19th Century myth invented to discredit those opposed to Darwin’s theory. They believed the earth was round from the Ancient Hebrews and Greeks up to Columbus’ day. They just misjudged the size of the globe.

  2. More people need to read the history of ISLAM and see it for what it is–a violent overthrow of territory to convert people by FORCE to their cult of beliefs. To put to death anyone that opposes that and we need to stop the politically correct rhetoric concerning Islam.

      • So now that the Conquistadors are no longer a nuisance, for the love of humanity what do we do about the people getting their heads sawn off this very moment?

      • Do you mean the people who were decapitated? Maybe recover their bodies… as for those who committed the acts – invade and kill them?

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      • The Spanish Catholics found indigenous peoples who engaged in human sacrifice. But I guess that’s ok with you.

      • Is that what I said? Does that legitimize the conquering and genocide of a people in order to take as much resources as possible? Let’s be clear here: the conquest of the Americas was not a “civilizing” mission despite how grade school history books like to put it. Again, I think everyone on this forum would benefit from reading up on the Valladolid debates to understand what were the real concerns and motives of Spanish colonialism. The “civilizing” discourse is exactly what underpinned colonialism all over the world, but I guess you’re buying right into it.

      • Yes, but that’s not what Columbus found.

        Columbus, by his own words, found peaceful healthy people, who were friendly and helpful. He wrote that he thought they would be good Christians.

        Instead, he and his men kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered them in their lust for gold.

  3. Minor correction, Granada is a city and province in Spain and part of Andalusia while Grenada is an island and country in the Caribbean Sea.

  4. One further correction: The Eastern empire was never Roman Catholic. It was Eastern Orthodox. Though both sides did use the word catholic as an adjective, the east was adamantly never Roman Catholic. The Great Schism of 1054 divided the Church between East and West, precisely over the question of whether the Bishop of Rome had jurisdiction over the whole church. This split roughly mirrored the empire which had first been split into eastern and western empires (for administrative purposes, but there were 2 emperors. Diocletian in the East, and Maximian in 285. Then under Constantine the Great the empire was unified again for a time, with the new city of Constantinople as the capital. There was always resentment and pressure from the west to have Rome be the capital again. Consequently (except for a few brief intervals) the empire remained divided. No doubt the assertion of (what became) the western Catholic Church that all of the Bishops should submit to the Bishop of Rome, and the subsequent refusal of (what became) the eastern Orthodox Church was a part of the larger tension within the two imperial courts. A tension that had erupted into war within Christendom on more than one occasion. As the Turks threatened Constantinople in the 1400s an attempt was made to bring help from the (by then much stronger) western powers by appealing to the Pope to convince them to send armies. To this end, they finally agreed to submit to the authority of the Bishop of Rome, should such help come. But by then England and France were pretty much spent after the Hundred Years War, and Spain was embroiled in the final stages of the Reconquista. And after hundreds of years of Crusades, there was increasingly suspicion of Popes who ordered armies off to war. No help of any consequence was sent, and Constantinople fell.

  5. Thanks Colonel West for the refresher course for us old fogies, who actually read about and learned these facts, when were in school – back in the paleolithic era. Now, of course, actual history has been replaced by neo-Communist demoncrat fictional history of choice to advance their strategic “beliefs”. Perhaps if we could roll back the destruction that has been wrought upon our educational system, our children and grandchildren would understand the historical importance of the history of the “age of discovery”, rather than the “scientific” techniques of LGBT practices that have seemed to overtake even the “women’s studies,” “feminist ecology” and other such useless specialties.

    • Here’s some actual history, straight from the source:

      YOUR HIGHNESSES, as Catholic Christians and Princes who love the holy Christian faith, and the propagation of it, and who are enemies to the sect of Mahoma [Islam] and to all idolatries and heresies,resolved to send me, Cristóbal Colon, to the said parts of India to see the said princes … with a view that they might be converted to our holy faith …. Thus, after having turned out all the Jews from all your kingdoms and lordships … your Highnesses gave orders to me that with a sufficient fleet I should go to the said parts of India …. I shall forget sleep, and shall work at the business of navigation, so that the service is performed. — Christopher Columbus

      They … brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks’ bells. They willingly traded everything they owned… . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features…. They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane… . They would make fine servants…. With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want. — Christopher Columbus, who later went back and did indeed subjugate them and make them do whatever he wanted.

      While I was in the boat, I captured a very beautiful Carib woman, whom the said Lord Admiral gave to me. When I had taken her to my cabin she was naked—as was their custom. I was filled with a desire to take my pleasure with her and attempted to satisfy my desire. She was unwilling, and so treated me with her nails that I wished I had never begun. But—to cut a long story short—I then took a piece of rope and whipped her soundly, and she let forth such incredible screams that you would not have believed your ears. Eventually we came to such terms, I assure you, that you would have thought that she had been brought up in a school for whores. — Michele de Cuneo, describing his rape of a native woman given to him by Christopher Columbus

      Endless testimonies . .. prove the mild and pacific temperament of the natives…. But our work was to exasperate, ravage, kill, mangle and destroy…

      And the Christians, with their horses and swords and pikes began to carry out massacres and strange cruelties against them. They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants from their mothers’ breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them head first against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, “Boil there, you offspring of the devil!” Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby. They made some low wide gallows on which the hanged victim’s feet almost touched the ground, stringing up their victims in lots of thirteen, in memory of Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood at their feet and thus burned them alive. To others they attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim’s neck, saying, “Go now, carry the message,” meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains. They usually dealt with the chieftains and nobles in the following way: they made a grid of rods which they placed on forked sticks, then lashed the victims to the grid and lighted a smoldering fire underneath, so that little by little, as those captives screamed in despair and torment, their souls would leave them…. — Bartolome de las Casas, who gave up his slaves and joined the priesthood to help the natives in reaction to witnessing the cruelty of Columbus and his men.

    • What you learned was wrong. And what West wrote is wrong. No one believed the world was flat at that time. Columbus and his men enslaved, raped and killed these people. They killed babies. Perhaps if you would use Google you would learn something new for an “old fogy”.

  6. Thanks for that history lesson, Colonel. One thing was left out of that narrative, however. It is also a fact that in 1492 all Jews were ordered out of Spain, thus, prompting Columbus, who many believe to be 1/2 Jewish himself, to set out to find a home for his people to live, seeing how they had nowhere to go. So, it was God’s Providence that He prompted Columbus to go find the land, a land that would be friendly to the Jewish Race.

      • He was in it for the profit and glory nothing more.. Of course, he might have had some thoughts that are as far as I know unrecorded regarding a home for the Jews.

    • Columbus left extensive writings behind. To the best of my knowledge none of them offer the slightest support for that idea.

      What support do you have for this claim?

      • I’d rather not read an entire 324 page book looking for the evidence to support your ideas about Columbus. Could you provide a relevant quote or two from the book that supports your premise?

        Something that refers to specific historical evidence would be especially nice.

      • I’m suppose to do your research for you? I don’t care to argue the point. However, you may find the book interesting if you want to debate the topic with someone else in the future.

      • You are the one making a claim of fact about Columbus’s motives. Therefore it is your responsibility to support that claim of fact with evidence. If you don’t care to do so, that’s completely up to you.

      • I was referring to Sephardic Jews fleeing Spain for the New World, not The motives of Colombus. I don’t care what knowledge you choose to absorb and use so proficiently in this discussion. The question I would like to ask you refers back to the topic of this article. What wisdom can you offer to those refugees fleeing ISIS today?

      • My apologies. I thought you were defending the original commenter’s argument that “Columbus […] set out to find a home for his people to live”.

  7. And here we are today lacking the courage to go to the heart of Islam and rid the world of it once and for all though we have the means. Political Correctness falls under the heading of “Totally Stupid.”

    • Hence the glaringly obvious fault of socialist liberalism- a belief, even if unrecognized or admitted to, of acceptable actions or attitudes(anything goes) unshackled from consequences brought on by those actions.

  8. Good story but you left out one minor detail. Columbus in his travels did as the Islamic army did in “exterminating” anyone who wouldn’t convert to Christianity. Ask anyone in the West Indies and they will Tell you. All religions have a bloody history.

    • I doubt that there was any concern regarding the religious beliefs of those sold into slavery. At the time the West Indies was a captured territory so the state sponsored religion would have been in force and the Spanish Inquisition was still part of life. If the Muslims had arrived first the situation would have been much the same for those that they conquered..

      • OK fellas, so we got a lot of innocent folks trying to live their lives and trying not to get beheaded. Plans? Ideas?

      • The end result for the conquered would have been different in that they would have been living under sharia law. Of course we can’t know whether people would have been sold into slavery by the Muslims. I expect market demand would decide that. Would one situation be more extraordinary than the other ? We are looking at a particularly nasty period of history.. We have the Muslims attempting to conquer the world and willing to kill all in their path who are not willing to be their subjects and the Inquisition on the other hand. Sort of a lose, lose period of time I would say. The big difference today is that the Inquisition is ancient history, and the effort for world domination by the Muslims continues as always. The Muslims are more clever now and in many cases much less obvious.. They have continued to spread their influence through the world and when they have enough influence they take total control..

    • Your statement is categorically false. Please attempt to prove your statement. Columbus among other things wished to bring health and Christianity to any he found – as as far as I remember, HE never killed anyone.

      Apart from the butchers in izlam (its not a religion, but a culture which includes a religion) its atheopaths that have the bloody history. Hundreds of millions last century alone – all at the hands of non-Christians. Your bigotry and ignorance is on display.

      • Hitler never killed anyone HIMSELF either.

        Here are some examples of the sorts of things he ordered, facilitated and supported:

        While I was in the boat, I captured a very beautiful Carib woman, whom the said Lord Admiral gave to me. When I had taken her to my cabin she was naked—as was their custom. I was filled with a desire to take my pleasure with her and attempted to satisfy my desire. She was unwilling, and so treated me with her nails that I wished I had never begun. But—to cut a long story short—I then took a piece of rope and whipped her soundly, and she let forth such incredible screams that you would not have believed your ears. Eventually we came to such terms, I assure you, that you would have thought that she had been brought up in a school for whores. — Michele de Cuneo, describing his rape of a native woman given to him by Christopher Columbus

        Endless testimonies . .. prove the mild and pacific temperament of the natives…. But our work was to exasperate, ravage, kill, mangle and destroy…

        And the Christians, with their horses and swords and pikes began to carry out massacres and strange cruelties against them. They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants from their mothers’ breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them head first against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, “Boil there, you offspring of the devil!” Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby. They made some low wide gallows on which the hanged victim’s feet almost touched the ground, stringing up their victims in lots of thirteen, in memory of Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood at their feet and thus burned them alive. To others they attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim’s neck, saying, “Go now, carry the message,” meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains. They usually dealt with the chieftains and nobles in the following way: they made a grid of rods which they placed on forked sticks, then lashed the victims to the grid and lighted a smoldering fire underneath, so that little by little, as those captives screamed in despair and torment, their souls would leave them…. — Bartolome de las Casas, who gave up his slaves and joined the priesthood to help the natives in reaction to witnessing the cruelty of Columbus and his men.

    • So what? It is history, and many have learned from the atrocities of it! I don’t see most from South America whining about Columbus and what he did?

    • You mean the way they don’t mention that Christopher Columbus cut dissenters’ noses and ears off, cut the tongues out of people who dared speak ill of him, paraded dismembered bodies through the streets as a “warning,” and fed still-living, still-conscious foes to ravenous dogs?

    • Here’s a little bit of history, recorded directly in the words of those who lived it:

      YOUR HIGHNESSES, as Catholic Christians and Princes who love the holy Christian faith, and the propagation of it, and who are enemies to the sect of Mahoma [Islam] and to all idolatries and heresies,resolved to send me, Cristóbal Colon, to the said parts of India to see the said princes … with a view that they might be converted to our holy faith …. Thus, after having turned out all the Jews from all your kingdoms and lordships … your Highnesses gave orders to me that with a sufficient fleet I should go to the said parts of India …. I shall forget sleep, and shall work at the business of navigation, so that the service is performed. — Christopher Columbus

      They … brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks’ bells. They willingly traded everything they owned… . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features…. They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane… . They would make fine servants…. With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want. — Christopher Columbus, who later went back and did indeed subjugate them and make them do whatever he wanted.

      While I was in the boat, I captured a very beautiful Carib woman, whom the said Lord Admiral gave to me. When I had taken her to my cabin she was naked—as was their custom. I was filled with a desire to take my pleasure with her and attempted to satisfy my desire. She was unwilling, and so treated me with her nails that I wished I had never begun. But—to cut a long story short—I then took a piece of rope and whipped her soundly, and she let forth such incredible screams that you would not have believed your ears. Eventually we came to such terms, I assure you, that you would have thought that she had been brought up in a school for whores. — Michele de Cuneo, describing his rape of a native woman given to him by Christopher Columbus

      Endless testimonies . .. prove the mild and pacific temperament of the natives…. But our work was to exasperate, ravage, kill, mangle and destroy…

      And the Christians, with their horses and swords and pikes began to carry out massacres and strange cruelties against them. They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants from their mothers’ breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them head first against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, “Boil there, you offspring of the devil!” Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby. They made some low wide gallows on which the hanged victim’s feet almost touched the ground, stringing up their victims in lots of thirteen, in memory of Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood at their feet and thus burned them alive. To others they attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim’s neck, saying, “Go now, carry the message,” meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains. They usually dealt with the chieftains and nobles in the following way: they made a grid of rods which they placed on forked sticks, then lashed the victims to the grid and lighted a smoldering fire underneath, so that little by little, as those captives screamed in despair and torment, their souls would leave them…. — Bartolome de las Casas, who gave up his slaves and joined the priesthood to help the natives in reaction to witnessing the cruelty of Columbus and his men.

  9. Glaring error – Columbus nor anyone educated at the time thought the earth was flat, the prevailing thought that had been established centuries prior to that was that the earth was round.

    • It was common folklore at the time though. Nobody ever made the passage and lived to tell about it from Europe. It was theory based on astronomy.

      • Astronomy, or the fact that if you look far enough, you can just see the curvature of the earth, like every single sailor at the time. They all new that if a ship approached from over the horizon, the mast appeared first. They new the earth was round.

    • Paranoia is an irrational fear. Is it irrational to fear those who wage war to advance a stone age concept of domination and use beheading liberally on their victims?

      • Is beheading a couple dozen people better than killing hundreds of civilians and children via drones only to be dominated? No, they’re both horrific and should be condemned not compared.

      • Are nonsequiturs propaganda or simply delusional? Which hundreds of civilians and children (aren’t children civilians?) are being killed to be dominated? You’ll have to supply the evidence on that one. Obviously, we don’t need further evidence of the beheadings. The culprits provide that in their own videoes – videoes used to terrorize any who oppose them.

      • http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/ But, let’s look back at the history of the Iraq war… specifically looking at CPA #1 and #2. When we ousted the wretched Sadaam baathist government and then pushed out the Shiites and installed the Sunnis it was old colonial tactics at work. THEN, we disarm the army and try to send them home after disenfranchising them and installing a new government. (not to mention, failing to track oil revenues). Look, I completely condemn violence and especially the beheadings. ISIS is to be feared for sure. But, let’s not forget where they came from and why… How does blowing them and their families to smitherines make us any more moral than beheading journalists?

      • Let me begin by mentioning that this will exhaust my quota of comments in any one discussion thread. Trust me, I will make a point of reading whatever you reply.

        Secondly, let me say that I am not trying to convince you of anything. I have learned that no one will alter their opinion in an Internet discussion thread. I respond merely for the benefit of anyone who visits our discussion with an open mind.

        Now, as to your opinions. Do you honestly believe that the US military targeted civilians of any age in their drone strikes? The answer is no whether or not you believe it. Inasmuch as the US possesses overwhelming force, it has no need to terrorize the general population to wage war. The terrorists have no such capability and target civilians of all ages to wage war. They cannot defeat the US military, so they attack using tactics that they believe will undermine popular support for the US war effort. Thus, I do not find any equivalency between their methods.

        You contend that America was practicing “colonial tactics”. Where is the colony? The same is true of the canard that the US only fought in Iraq to steal their oil. How much oil did the US steal? None. Indeed, the political unrest in the Middle East prompted the US to turn to other sources. Little oil comes to the US from the Middle East anymore. Furthermore, despite US government interference, American businesses have begun developing America’s domestic resources and could be energy independent, in fact, an energy exporter in the near future.

        Lastly, we did not “install the Sunnis”. They were freely elected. Sadly, those elections exposed the classic flaw in democracy: The tyranny of the majority. It seems that America’s leaders have no good concept of the true nature of their own government and the roots of its success.

        There you have it. I wish you all well…

      • Thank you very much for the honest and respectful post – too often online political exchanges are shot through with name calling and hatred.

        I take your point about the nature of the warfare but at its core this is an ideological (not religious) battle that won’t be won or lost through killing, or removing or installing new governments. But, if anything their attacks are to garner widespread support for their cause, such as when it’s painted as a “war on Islam”. Once U.S. involvement in the Middle-East becomes a “war on Islam” then you have a whole host of problems, and dealing with radicals that are seeking their own sovereignty is just scratching the surface.

        The invasion and subsequent takeover of Iraq was certainly driven by profits (from military contracts to oil extraction). Much of this has been revealed through declassified and leaked documents through many sources (here’s one: http://www.fuelonthefire.com/). While most of Iraq’s oil does not go to the U.S. it does get sold somewhere and Western oil companies moved in (and would like to move in more) to cash in. Again, just google chevron (or any other oil giant) and Iraq and you’ll find a wealth of documents and data showing this move.

        The problem with CPA #1 and #2 is that it didn’t necessarily “install the Shi’te” (sorry, not Sunnis); you’re right about that but it did so by default. The debaathification essentially kicked out most of the long-standing government administrators, educated (and wealthy) elites, etc. They were disgruntled to be sure in the beginning, because hey, they just lost their job because of their affiliation to Saddam, whether or not they were directly part of his governance is another question. Then, the majority Sunni army is dismissed an pulled apart – yikes. When the elections finally did come, many Sunni political parties pulled out and there was a widespread boycott. This is nation building at it’s worst…

      • It’s rational if you live in Syria or Iraq. It’s even understandable if you live anywhere in the Middle East.

        If you live outside of that area then yes, it’s irrational.

  10. Paranoia is irrational, Since the rise of Mohammed, Islamic conquest by all means available has been the means and the goal is world domination. Nothing has changed since 628 when Mecca fell as far as Islamic goals are concerned. I think we are far to trusting, and should expel all Muslims or Islamist from the country.

  11. Islamist’s have always been a thorn in the worlds side. Thanks to the Crusades, we didn’t all end up controlled by the Islamo-fascists!

  12. Historically speaking the most important moment of the Reconquista was probably the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa in 1212 wherein the Almohad Muslims suffered the loss of over 100,000 soldiers which really triggered the decline of Muslim power in the Iberian Peninsula. This victory is what really opened the door for the Christians to retake the whole of Spain.

    • 100,000 soldiers would be an enormous army in 1212. Wikipedia says the total strength of the Muslim forces was 22,000 to 30,000. Where did you get 100,000 from?

  13. This is taking crazy to a whole new level… Why is it that during these religious wars, you paint Islam as the violent, backwards folk and the Christians as the crusaders? First, they’re both violent in war. Secondly, what do you think the Christians did in the Americas? How is this any different (violence-wise) than the Muslims historically trying to conquer land? You might want to read a couple more books on the history of the Americas… (Pizarro, Cortez, or the historical Valladolid debates between de las Casas and Sepúlveda – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valladolid_debate).

    • Well, plenty of blame to go around for both sides… but the point is that muslims did indeed aggressively attempt to conquer Europe.

      • Right, I’m not disputing that… but the point (I’m making) is that Christians did indeed aggressively attempt to conquer the Americas.

      • Exactly! Just like Ahmadiyya or other pacifist Muslim (or even any religious groups). It’s not about a religion being inherently evil but about the battle of resources and power between nations. It just so happens that millions were killed in the Americas by Christians and not Muslims (or any religious group). I’m not blaming Christians, this article is blaming Muslims.

      • Which seems like a good reason not to have a holiday celebrating their leaders and not to teach school kids they were awesome.

        Why are we still doing that with Columbus?

      • Wow… what an enormous buffoon you are with that statement. For right or wrong, at the end of the day, because of Columbus, we have the United States (someone had to come across the Americas and CLAIM it eventually, it’s called survival of the fittest). But, I’m betting just the same you are a “hatriot” of our great republic? Go back and read why exactly Columbus and Europeans explored, migrated, and yes, CONQUERED the “Americas”, eventually evolving to the point 300 years later in which our Founding Fathers came along and established these United States of America as a residual effect of colonizing the Americas at large. But… not sure I’d expect you to know that; I’m betting your founding father is a one dirt-bag karl marx?

      • I understand the positive things Columbus did. He, through personal perseverance and determination, set off on a dangerous journey into unknown territory hoping to find a western route to Asia, and instead stumbled across the Americas.

        Those positive things must also be considered in the light of the horrible things that he and the men under his command personally did. We are talking about kidnapping, rape, torture, enslavement, and murder of the people who he himself described as peaceful, generous and helpful; simply to satisfy their lust for gold.

        My comments are not, as you implied, a general lament for the claiming and conquering of the Americas. They are specifically about Christopher Columbus. The man was a brutal butcher who personally decided to abuse the natives. For that reason alone, we should no more celebrate a holiday for him than we should for Satan.

        Here’s some of the history you can read:

        http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/five-scary-christopher-columbus-quotes-that-let-you-celebrate-the-holiday-the-right-way/

    • War is not a pretty picture. Thus Mr. Allen was not, he was stating facts. If what happened during the crusades did happen, you would be speaking arabic. Sound like a liberal to busy playing a victim. I can assure you that every ethnicity has experienced oppression in one instance or another. They can choose to be victims and whine for rape-erations, or be a Victor. And move on in life as so many have!

      • I don’t understand the first three sentences (war not pretty to Mr. Allen not… something about facts? All of us speaking Arabic?). But, I agree that many have faced oppression, just that oppression takes on many forms and has different levels. Why is almost the entire colonial world still underdeveloped? According to your logic, if they would have just accepted domination and stopped whining then perhaps regions like Africa wouldn’t be so damn poor.

    • Yep, every time the Left want to argue that Christians are just as evil, they can only bring up events that took place long ago. I’m not seeing Christians running around blowing, raping and beheading women and children TODAY. Bring me proof that Christians are doing this TODAY and we’ll have a discussion. Until then, you’re just another fool.

      • A lot of what I hear from people on both sides of the political aisle is that we are in a war against Islam. This was has resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths, just by drones alone hundreds of women and children are killed: http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/

        Look, I’m not saying Christians are inherently evil or violent but neither are Muslims. The violence going on is between nations who are vying for power and resources. The religious underpinning just makes it that much easier to legitimize action. This was the case with conquest throughout history as well.

      • Eurekacon: As Forrest Gump stated so eloquently: STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES. And you do so qualify as STUPID!

      • So… that’s your evidence against my argument? I didn’t resort to name calling and being disrespectful. If anything, war is stupid.

    • Oh, and we Christians that have robbed and raped the world unlike your beloved muslims have increased knowledge so poorly that we have the most advanced society in the world with the greatest healthcare along with many other inventions to make life easier to live and still the muslims live in the 14th century where they kill their daughters for speaking to a man noy of their family , they remove little girls clitorises violently without sedation, they call blacks that convert “pig nosed slaves”. Oh yes they are amuch better group of people than Christians.

    • And cutting dissenters’ noses and ears off, cutting the tongues out of people who dared speak ill of him, parading dismembered bodies through the streets as a “warning,” feeding still-living, still-conscious foes to ravenous dogs… a real avatar of civilization, that Christopher Columbus… with heroes like that, who needs Islamic terrorists?

      • I love how people point out that people raped and pilaged land. Well guess what every ones ancestors have done it at some point. Like slavery, even Africans still have black slaves today so the hypocritical people can go piss off and read history some more.

      • I will, thanks. Though personally I would consider just changing it to Amerigo Vespucci Day so the Italians still have a holiday.

      • You mean like this history:

        YOUR HIGHNESSES, as Catholic Christians and Princes who love the holy Christian faith, and the propagation of it, and who are enemies to the sect of Mahoma [Islam] and to all idolatries and heresies,resolved to send me, Cristóbal Colon, to the said parts of India to see the said princes … with a view that they might be converted to our holy faith …. Thus, after having turned out all the Jews from all your kingdoms and lordships … your Highnesses gave orders to me that with a sufficient fleet I should go to the said parts of India …. I shall forget sleep, and shall work at the business of navigation, so that the service is performed. — Christopher Columbus

        They … brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks’ bells. They willingly traded everything they owned… . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features…. They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane… . They would make fine servants…. With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want. — Christopher Columbus, who later went back and did indeed subjugate them and make them do whatever he wanted.


        While I was in the boat, I captured a very beautiful Carib woman, whom the said Lord Admiral gave to me. When I had taken her to my cabin she was naked—as was their custom. I was filled with a desire to take my pleasure with her and attempted to satisfy my desire. She was unwilling, and so treated me with her nails that I wished I had never begun. But—to cut a long story short—I then took a piece of rope and whipped her soundly, and she let forth such incredible screams that you would not have believed your ears. Eventually we came to such terms, I assure you, that you would have thought that she had been brought up in a school for whores.
        — Michele de Cuneo, describing his rape of a native woman given to him by Christopher Columbus

        Endless testimonies . .. prove the mild and pacific temperament of the natives…. But our work was to exasperate, ravage, kill, mangle and destroy…

        And the Christians, with their horses and swords and pikes began to carry out massacres and strange cruelties against them. They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants from their mothers’ breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them head first against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, “Boil there, you offspring of the devil!” Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby. They made some low wide gallows on which the hanged victim’s feet almost touched the ground, stringing up their victims in lots of thirteen, in memory of Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood at their feet and thus burned them alive. To others they attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim’s neck, saying, “Go now, carry the message,” meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains. They usually dealt with the chieftains and nobles in the following way: they made a grid of rods which they placed on forked sticks, then lashed the victims to the grid and lighted a smoldering fire underneath, so that little by little, as those captives screamed in despair and torment, their souls would leave them…. — Bartolome de las Casas, who gave up his slaves and joined the priesthood to help the natives in reaction to witnessing the cruelty of Columbus and his men.

        So yes, by all means, read some history.

      • Something is amiss here that so many people ignore the truth about Columbus. I appreciate your comments. It doesn’t make sense to me that anyone would honor him. This is especially true since he does not deserve credit for discovering America.

      • You’re welcome. I agree with you completely, but don’t forget that once people learn something one way, they tend to get very upset to then be told it was incorrect.

        We see this with things as simple as astronomers deciding to reclassify Pluto as a dwarf planet rather than a full planet. I was amazed how attached people were to the idea that Pluto must be a planet.

      • Yes, it is puzzling. I run across people like that from time to time. They already have their opinions made up when they don’t have the facts. And then they start criticizing without any concern for exploring the possibly of new facts. It would be entertaining if it was not such a waste of time.

      • What do you mean we say nothing?!? I speak up against slavery and rape all the time, regardless of what religion it’s perpetrators belong to.

        And I’m unaware of any Muslim who is celebrated by a Federal holiday, much less one who who was a mass murder, rapist and slave trader.

      • Mohammad.
        Hey, did you know it was Arab muslims that roared into Africa and started the worldwide slave trade?
        Did you know there are over 30 words for “slave” in Arabic and “abed” is the most popular word for slave in Arabic? Hey, did you know that they also use “abed” to describe a black person? It means “pugged nosed slave”.
        Rape is divinely sanctioned in the Koran…start reading Robert Spencer’s work and his website JIHADWATCH(dot) org and Pamela Geller’s ATLASSHRUGS(dot)com website along with the other website I posted earlier.

      • Nonsense. That is not true.
        You tell me what book and chapter that is written in the Bible. I’ve read it cover to cover several times and never saw that in the Bible.
        Jesus did not teach us to kill in order to spread Christianity.
        Thank you AGAIN for proving my point…..you do NOT speak out on the evils of islam….you just deflect and claim “it’s in the Bible too”. It is not. The violence in the Old Testament was battles happening at that time. We view it in a descriptive HISTORICAL context. The violence in the Koran is PRESCRIPTIVE…something muslims are to ACT ON in perpetuity. Muslims curse us everytime they pray. The number one form of literature being passed out in mosques in this country is violence against the US. The mosque in OK preached about beheading us and one muslim acted on it a few weeks ago by beheading a female coworker.

      • Deuteronomy 20:10-14:
        As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

        Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB:
        Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.

        Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT:
        However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.

        Exodus 21:20-21 NAB:
        When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.

        Ephesians 6:5 NLT:
        Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

        1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT:
        Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. ()

        Luke 12:47-48 NLT:
        The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.”

      • Yes, there was slavery back then. What you have posted was a particular battle. Notice that? It isn’t something that we are instructed to do now….like in the Koran.
        Now, why don’t you post the crap in the Koran that muslims are taught to do NOW.

      • There is nothing in the Bible nor in the Quran that says slavery is wrong. From the standpoint of their holy books, both Christianity and Islam are equally unethical/immoral when it comes to slavery.

      • He wasn’t Christian. His Facebook page said he liked islam. His name is a muslim name that is popular in Eastern Europe.

  14. So here we have a holiday that was established in 1906, and now a bunch of liberals want to be politically correct, and make “indigenous people day” why not pick another day you stupid liberals?

  15. “The world needs another Charles Martel.”
    Dare I say you’d be a great candidate for that Col. West.
    Thank you for the awesome history lesson. Those who ignore it are certainly letting it repeat itself.

  16. If the Columbus mission had failed, there would have been another and another coming to America. It was just a matter of time. Marco Polo explored down to what is today Washington and the only reason we don’t speak Chinese now is because the main expansionist emperor died and his successor wasn’t as interested in what was over the ocean in America. The Vikings did succeed until the Little Ice Age cut off their food supplies and they basically began to starve to death. Columbus thought he was in East Indies only for history to say differently. It was Vespucci who realized that it was a new continent and of course he was Italian…well sort of.
    Now what you liberals and many conservatives will never understand is the big why America had to get settled by other cultures than just the natives who were already here and who had arrived over various waves over various times thousands of years ago. Because you do not understand the natural laws and how the big picture works you will never understand why America became a melting pot of various cultures. You refuse to understand the slave trade and who was truly running it and is still running it today. Slavery did not end with Lincoln and the same people who were selling slaves back then are still selling slaves today. The Muslims couldn’t understand why the US and England got out of the slave trade when they did since is was such a lucrative business. The Muslims are still kidnapping people and selling them as slaves. The Muslims would like nothing better than to put all of us back into the stone age. It is their religious belief that any one…any one…who opposes them should be killed by any means necessary. Beheading is just one way to do it. Because many liberals refuse to accept the truth about Islam, they will simply continue in their path of repeating history and allowing yet another group of people to slaughter yet another group of people like it as been done before and like it will be done again. You lack the understanding of the bigger picture and I’m sure you won’t like me saying it. Quite frankly I’ve been called every name in the book and it doesn’t bother me in the least what you call me because I’ve been burned at the stake in the past for my beliefs by the likes of you, and you still haven’t learned your lesson. You cannot continue to hide from the truth and try to create a Utopian world without understanding that everything that man creates is ultimately turned upon itself until if fails. You either learn from history or repeat it until you learn your big lesson.

  17. I wish it were possible but in America today, the weak and foolish take a cowardly approach to governing and choose to disarm the people making America vulnerable to all our enemies. Unless we become strong instead of limp and lame then we are doomed. We had a Charles Martel but he was deemed too extreme and the latest theory is that he was murdered at the end of WWII. Patton might have established a greater and even stronger military had he lived but it is doubtful he could have ever survived with the politics that developed after WWII.

      • What kind of person reads all about the rape, torture and enslavement of peaceful people without outrage; only to be upset about an “error” in the age of the earth?

        Where is your compassion!?!

      • Peaceful people? Where are the sources from that article you linked too. Are you seriously suggesting that the natives never were at war with each other. The tribe that welcome Columbus also used the Spanish as allies against another indigenous tribe on the Island, as other tribes on the continent used European weapons and alliances to take out other tribes they had been at war with for centuries. So, what is your point here Ed? You have quite a quandry here, is this some kind of guilt for what your Spanish ancestors did? I mean Zavada is Spanish, are you creole? Mestizo maybe? In that case your Indian ancestors were most likely Aztecs, on the other side of the Rio Grande who wiped out the Mayans and performed ritual sacrifices. Is that what you want to go back to Ed? Hmm, tribalism? Is that more noble? I know, this is some jerk off exercise, exposing the evil’s one one side and living off the civilization they left while excusing the evil’s of the other. There is a word for that, that work is chickensh!t.

      • If you read Columbus’s own words, he described them as peaceful. Here’s another letter written by Columbus himself in 1493 to Luis de Santangel:

        “they are artless and generous with what they have, to such a degree as no one would believe but him who had seen it. Of anything they have, if it be asked for, they never say no, but do rather invite the person to accept it, and show as much lovingness as though they would give their hearts.”

        Here’s another, with full sources:

        http://www.understandingprejudice.org/nativeiq/columbus.htm#source3

        None of this is anything but historical fact, directly proven by documents written by the people of the time.

        As for your rant about my imaginary guilt, Zavada is Polish, not Spanish. My heritage is German, Polish and Czech. What’s your word for someone who insults someone based on false assumptions?

      • Sounds Spanish, my apoplogies. However, the rest still true. Those peaceful Indians described were also saved by Columbus’s men from being attacked by other tribes on the island. Whatever cruelty is a result of Spanish interests, they funded the expedition an were working on Queen Isabella’s authority. You could use that word you wanted me to name on yourself since you want to paint all expeditionaries to the world with such a broad brush.

      • No problem, thanks for the apology.

        But you misunderstand. I am not painting all expeditionaries with a broad brush. I am condemning Columbus and saying he was a barbaric leader and should not be honored by a Federal holiday. In fact, if you look at my original post, the comic in question heavily praises Bartolome de las Casas, one of his men who observed the horrors that Columbus and his fellow did to the natives and based on that gave up his property, his slaves, and entered the priesthood. He fought the remainder of his life against that kind of behavior.

      • Oh, and like I said, you are still living in a society created by the people who settled this country so put your money where your mouth is and give you property a Cherokee family and move to France. It’s so easy to take the position of the Natives – even though really, they came from someplace else and wiped each other out – because you don’t really have to do anything about it. Not that you would if you could.

      • Pay attention please. This is not an argument for reparations.

        My sole and only argument in this thread is that Christopher Columbus should not be honored by a holiday in his name; nor should he be taught in schools as a brave explorer who discovered the New World.

      • No, you pay attention, Ed. He was a brave explorer, go back and read the article as to why he searched for a passage to India in the first place, peaceful trade and commerce. You don’t understand bravery because you’re an armchair quarterback historian. Maybe you can stop whitewashing the fact the the Arawok were being massacred by the Carib and Taino Indians before Columbus showed up and that he protected them. Should we teach that, Ed? Maybe?

      • That’s complete nonsense. He didn’t protect the Arawak, he and his men kidnapped, raped, tortured, enslaved, and murdered them. Also, the Arawaks weren’t being massacred by the Tainos, because the Tianos are a subgroup of Arawaks, not a separate tribe.

        http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html

        We should teach history as it occurred, not whitewashing any of it. The good and the bad that Columbus did.

        Columbus does not deserve a Federal holiday. It’s not about bravery, it’s about moral character.

      • Their land was stolen from them. They were moved to reservations because the US government wanted their land. My husband is Osage. His people were moved.

        I don’t know where you’re getting that it was the natives that wiped out themselves. Reminds me of the people who say “we built this country” (meaning whites), when really it was built by slaves and Asians, and anyone else we could force to do the dirty work.

      • Hey, idiot, if you don’t think the Huron and Mohawk or Cheyenne and Pawnee etc. didn’t fight amongst themselves, then you are in no position to give a history lesson. If that is the case, then why did they have weapons? The fact they they didn’t know what a sword was is completely irrelevant. Like I said, Columbus protected the tribe he encountered from the Taino and Carib Indians who weren’t so peaceful And how did slaves build this country when only 2% of the population were slaves and slave owners. Who built this country after the civil war, and before it. Were none of the people working on industry paid?

      • Sounds like he should do more reading of native people, peaceful my ass. That was the picture painted in your indoctrinated middle schools.

      • He wrote to the king and queen that they didn’t even understand weapons. They didn’t know what a sword was. They were a peaceful people.

      • The Earth was 4.6 billion years old at the time of Columbus…the comic strip states that indigenous people had inhabited this continent for around 14,000 years prior to his arrival, which is accurate.

      • I know it for the same reason you “know” that the earth is only 6000 yeas old. I read it in a book. Of course, mine was a science textbook, and yours was a book by someone basing their information on the Bible. But of course that’s not really what you mean. You are asking about the underlying source of the info. In your case it’s simple: “God said it and had people put it in the Bible”. In the case of science it’s not. Incredible amounts of human work, study and observation over many centuries went into our understanding of the age of the universe. Here’s a lecture series that answers your question. I’m afraid it’s quite long, so set aside some time for it. Enjoy!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyOYyhtB2P4

      • God never said any such thing. Nowhere in the Bible will you find anything to support this, adding up the ages of the patriarchs means nothing. Adam and Eve went “out into the World of men/man”, explain how that is possible

        Christians who are ignorant of science are just as bad as scientists who are ignorant of God. Read the first chapter of Genesis, there is the Big Bang and Evolution right there.

        Wake up and stop embarrassing other Christians. The whole of Christianity is contained in the book of John, he was actually there from the beginning to the end, the rest is simply Jewish history and the ramblings of men who claim upon their own authority to speak for God while showing complete ignorance of Christ’s message.

      • Well Karen let me address these disagreements You say the Old Testment is”Jewish history and rambling of men using their own authority,. Please explain paul a converted Jew(Rabbi) writing to Timothy(another Jew) in 2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God…” at which time the ONLY scriptures available were the Old Testament. There is NO evoloution in Genesis , God made the earth and everything on it in 7- 24 hour days. And yes adding up the ages of the Patiarchs give you the time from creation to Jesus Christ which was just a little over 2000 years ago, adding up to somewhere past 6000 years. And ALWAYS remember the earthly linage of Jesus Christ the Messiah is Jewish!

      • What about the parts where Paul talks about how he is meeting resistance from apostles he claims are “false”. Nowhere in the Bible does the word “apostles” refer to anyone other than the 12 closest followers of Jesus.

        Paul persecuted Christians for years after the death of Jesus, and then had a sudden conversion and began to lead the church, against the will of the apostles. His doctrines begin to depart somewhat from the actual teachings of Jesus, and he becomes, in essence, the first Pope.

        I don’t know if his conversion was genuine or just a trick to take over the church. Regardless, he took the church in a direction that the apostles who actually knew Jesus disagreed with.

      • Perhaps if you stopped trying to rewrite historical and scientific fact with Biblical myths your comment would be a little less hypocritical.

        Let’s return to the topic at hand though. How do you feel about the kidnapping, rape, torture, enslavement and murder, done by Columbus and his men? Does he deserve a holiday in his honor?

      • Well then obviously you must have been around when the Earth was created. Funny, you don’t look a day over 4,000.

      • We have the science to back it up. You have a fantasy book. I wonder which one a sane person should believe. Hmmmmmmm.

  18. No one in 1492 believed the world was flat…that is folklore most of us unlearned by 7th grade. Also…*Muslims* are to blame for the Spanish Inquisition????? Catholics ‘convert’ millions at the edge of a blade (exactly what West accuses Muslims of doing), but somehow magically, that is *still*the fault of Islam. Brilliant.

    • Why did the Crusades begin? Crusades were a reaction against over 300 years of jihad and persecution of Eastern Christians, during which Muslims destroyed hundreds of churches and converted many others into mosques, including the magnificent Byzantine church Hagia Sophia. What would you have suggested they do then? The same lame response Obama is using today??

      • “whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, though shalt murder that dude and a few million of his buddies, and then pretty much anyone else who isn’t on the Jesus train. Because, the Muslims.” — Matthew 5:39

      • If only your responses made sense. Too bad the Crusades saved you from living a life under Islamo-fascism!

      • Like I said, too bad the Crusades saved you from living a life under Islamo-fascism…you are truly deserving of living under complete domination because you’re too ignorant to understand reality.

      • Qur’an:8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.'”

        Qur’an:8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

      • You don’t mind showing your ignorance, do you?
        Have you ever heard of the word, “context”? Look it up, study it’s meaning, then shut up.

    • I respect some Muslims because there are actually some who don’t agree with it, but if they try to separate from it, they will get killed. I respect a lot of Catholics who are pure in heart and willing to be obedient to what is right and to help people. Butin the past history of the heads of the Catholic Church, some power mongers screwed up, twisted, manipulated things, and it was deadly to a lot of people. I see it for what it was. They grabbed the ball, so to speak, and then turned it into a bunch of rules, regulations, to control people. There are some power and manipulation policies in force when people want to try to rule others. Our government was put in place by the Founding fathers to prevent this from happening. But barry goes ahead and does it anyway.

  19. Right now I live in Spain and am surrounded by history. Thanks for this article. It was bold. We do indeed need a new Hammer who is not afraid to swing it hard whist the naysayers clutch their knitting needles and whine about the unravelling.

  20. “Not only to challenge the belief that the world was flat”

    That’s not politically incorrect, that’s just incorrect.

    “Another horrific residual effect from the Islamic conquest of over 780 years was the Spanish Inquisition, which had abhorrent effects on the Jewish community, which had fled the Middle East and the Holy Land because of Islamic conquest.”

    Doesn’t the fact that as soon as the Catholics gained control of Spain, their first instinct was persecute the Jews tell you a little something about why the Jews were living in Islamic Spain in the first place?

    Muslims did not force Catholics to burn Jews at the stake, and they did not force Columbus to cut people’s hands off when they did not bring him enough gold.

    No one is questioning the merit of what Columbus originally set out to do, it’s the thing he ended up doing that is the problem. It’s like if I went to mow my grandmothers lawn but on the way there decided to disembowel a homeless man.

  21. Washington Irving distorted history when he claimed people believed the earth was flat in Columbus’s time.
    People knew the earth round back in Aristotle’s life time (450 BC?)

    • It makes home schooling worth while when kids can be taught true facts. I used to think everything I was learned in school… was the truth. Now I realize they are hooking people up with some nonsense and people don’t want to turn loose of the nonsense. It is kind of like an experiment that was done with some processionary caterpillars. They have this thing about following each other. So someone put them in a bucket and they just kept following each other til they died. They didn’t want to look at a way to escape or anything. I just made a long comment above explaining why Columbus Day should not be honored.

  22. Once again, I thank you LTC (RET) West, for your efforts to correct the lies of the Left and expose Islam for the perennial violent and oppressive force that it is.

  23. You people support a money stealing conman! Go look at how the money is spent from the the fraudulent GUARDIAN FUND! Once you find out the TRUTH…some of you will see right through this MAN and run for the HILLS!!!

    • I disagree with him on Columbus Day. But I forgive him for being mixed up on it. I still think you an implant to tear down the opposition of the criminal imposter who calls himself prez.

      • he is not “MIXED UP ON IT” its designed to get you loons to DONATE to the fraudulent GUARDIAN FUN or buy a RELIEVED OF COMMAND tee shirt

      • Enhance your mind on this: Maybe they are using the money to try to contribute to worthy causes of saving our country from people who are trying to destroy it. I think West has not had adequate information on Columbus. That is what I meant by mixed up. He may not have had time to consider all the facts. That is okay with me because he has a good strategic mind and if he were president he could help us get everything turned around and in recovery.

      • You’ve had a lot of intelligent and fact filled things to say about Columbus, so I’m curious what you mean when you say Obama is a criminal imposter?

      • Sound like someone that is trying to help you LOONS! Have you even BOTHERED to look up what I claimed or you just didn’t bother??

      • What exactly do you claim is fraudulent… I have not seen it… and just got finished looking…. Early really, you couldn’t discredit him using his military history so now you are trying to with this… get a life man… you are sadly missing one.

  24. Living in the land of liberal lunatic democrats, a city not too far from me has changed “Columbus Day to “Indigenous People’s Day”. The people that wallow on the Seattle City Council should be living in quarters reserved for the incurably insane.

  25. One thing is for sure – There is a lot of bad history that has been perpetuated around this holiday, including the idea that a “flat earth” was a widely held belief amongst Christians in 1942 – it was not. (Feel free to look that up.) Yet, to this day kids are taught such in school. Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing it renamed “Explorer’s Day” to properly honor all those who forged a life in this part of the world.

  26. It’s really disappointing to see such an intelligent person still believing the “flat Earth” canard. All educated people of the time knew the Earth was a sphere about 25000 miles in circumference. Columbus incorrectly thought it was far smaller, and went to his grave believing he had been to the Indies (though everyone else knew better).

  27. Columbus Day is an insult to all Native Americans and every one else. He did not discover America. Norwegians came here long Columbus. Crazy Horse had light skin. The book of Mormon tells about people who came here. There is supposed to be a place in South America or somewhere….. where Black people were already there before Columbus. Thor Heyerdahl went to a lot of trouble proving that Ra was a name in Egypt and Easter Island and other places along the way to South America. This is sufficient proof that someone could have traveled in a boat like Ra #2 and he proved it by making the trip. Native Americans lived in Central, South and North America. Hello??? Is there anyone else putting it together that Columbus did not discover America. Also, after he arrived his group killed people and took them as captives. I don’t believe in treating Native Americans like they were invisible. Something needs to change on treating Native Americans like this. They weren’t even allowed to vote until sometimes in the mid 1900s. They were code talkers who helped win WWII. They weren’t even recognized until just lately. The Choctaw descendents just received medals for their code talking family members who were already deceased. There are around 550 federally recognized Native American tribes. Supporting Columbus Day is like punching every Native American in the belly. Ethically and intelligently, this does not make sense. I am no part of this back stabbing Native Americans by honoring an bad guy Italian named Christopher Columbus.

    Also, a woman who lived near Heavener, Oklahoma, wrote a book call In Plain Sight. She found archeological evidence of other cultures coming here as well. She wrote about evidence of the Vikings being here + other cultures which had symbols which were found here in identical form. Columbus Day should be known as a day which proves ignorance in the US about history. Really!!!

    • Fishermen from Bristol were spending winters in Newfoundland 3,000 years ago. The Sumerians were visiting the Caribbean almost 6,500 years ago, the list goes on and on…

  28. With all the problems that are facing us today everybody is foaming at the mouth over who set foot on this land first! There are a lot of days on the calender for every ethnic group to pick one and honor your pick, simple. Why change it? For Europeans that came here it was Columbus. What is the biggest enemy of some ethnic groups is pride. You cannot live like you did 200 yrs ago and refuse to change and adapt to modern day. What separates you and you think makes you unique is what alienates everyone around you. Even in the animal world it is the one that is not like the others that is shunned and picked on. We need to be AMERICANS, united. No hyphenated , no, we were here first. That is the past and we need all our energy directed toward not hating each other but fighting for this United States of America who was until lately the greatest nation on earth.
    United we stand, Divided we fall.

    • How interesting that you are thinking of people foaming at the mouth. My comment is pure logic and knowledge about true history versus false history and a lack of ethics. This is very enlightening that you read this + missed the point. Columbus did not discover America. He was an evil man. I offered information that he did not discover America. I offered information that it treated Native Americans like non humans.

      Now let’s address what you said about “EVERYBODY” is foaming at the mouth. I will file that in the highest category of untrue statements. There is nothing true about it.

      Check out what you said about “the past”. Does this mean that you want to let this tom foolery stay and take it right on into the future? So the insult of around 550 tribes needs to be perpetuated? Why don’t you google BIA (Bureau of Indian Affairs) and woman up and write to all of them and tell them they need to shut up about being here first because the evil Columbus is the way it is and does not need to be changed.

      United we stand depends on what we stand for. So we need to be Americans standing up for something which is based on a lie and unethical? And if we don’t, it can be compared to an animal who is not like the others and shunned and picked on? This sounds more like Alinsky rhetoric to shun and ridicule to press a point and gain power to psychologically over power someone. Also it sounds like an attempt to suppress freedom of speech by indicating that someone is an outcast, compared to an animal, for speaking up. Your perceptions of seeing everyone foaming at the mouth is interesting and definitive. Have you discussed this with a therapist? I don’t know if you understand about hitting edit, highlighting your comment, and hitting delete. You do have that option.

      • Awesome job woman!

        Now what do you know about the truth of the Sephardim (I am one) vs the Ashkenazim? What do you know about what 1939-1945 was really all about?

        Google “ashkenazi dna test” and “the greatest story never told”..

        “History” is one big lie after another…

      • I get it ,you have a personal ax to grind. Simply put Columbus Day means nothing to the everyday people, except maybe a day off. My reading of history is that it is always bloody and greedy and evil on the side of the invading people . That is just history , that is surely not just Columbus that was evil and cruel. I just think that we need to fight the challenges that we face today, not waste our resources and energy over what happened in 1492. My point was all this thread wants to do is to argue who is right or who has been the most mistreated.
        As for the ” foaming at the mouth”. I am from the south and we are fond of these little phrases. It is just a way of saying ” much ado about nothing” I didn’t even notice it was Columbus day and I also know the history of what he was as are all Conquerors. History has shown they didn’t do it with harsh words. I would imagine that there were people that were here before the American Indians that they might have had a issue with. Plus history reads the tribes were at war with each other just like any other civilization. Me see a therapist? Maybe you should try your own advice since you have a huge chip own your shoulder.

      • Pam, I think you are misunderstanding what she is saying. She’s not trying to draw attention to the natives as victims. She’s saying that we shouldn’t honor a man with a Federal holiday who has kidnapped, raped, enslaved and murdered large numbers of people.

        And your “conquerors are gonna conquer” argument is the worst kind of apologist nonsense. Why not just say “rapists are gonna rape”, and “slavers are gonna enslave”… at some point we have to draw the line and recognize that certain behaviors are monstrous and completely unacceptable; no matter who does them or in what time period.

      • No, what I am saying is, who can you research and point out to me that went into a country and conquered the native people and they were not treated as spoils of the invaders. They all were enslaved,tortured and women raped. I get all the points. I just don’t get the fervor that seemed to erupt after all these years. There are a lot of people that offend me, like the pope, but a lot of people think he is Christ on earth. Well that is their choice.
        I think that we should be worried about the economy, Ebola, Entero Virus that is killing children. Closing our borders , turning this country around before it is too late. Not some dusty old legend that mostly nobody looks up to except for an excuse to get a paid holiday. But if that is what you pick to champion, go for it. If it disappears from the calender I, personally not even notice. Might like to research a lot of our hero. Lincoln did not think that the freed slaves could ever live in the US. He was all for packing them all up and sending them away. He did not believe in slavery but had no great sympathy for them either. Ben Franklin didn’t believe that Jesus was the son of God he thought he was just a gifted teacher. He also fathered children with his slave women. Kind of sounds like he might have been classified as a rapist in todays society.
        Every one has feet of clay or skeletons to hide if you dig. The greater the power the more horrific the crime. Columbus was a product of his time. That is how they conducted business in his time. Judging figures in history that we were not a witness to by todays standards is folly, just my opinion.

      • I’m aware of Lincoln’s racism and the prevalence of slave owners among the founding fathers. I can hardly fault Franklin for his disbelieve in Jesus’s divinity since I share it. As for his particular ownership of slaves, by 1770 he had freed all his slaves and become a staunch abolitionist.

        I agree that all of us have flaws and have make mistakes and wronged others, and to a certain extent I agree that those errors tend to be more egregious when people are given more power.

        All that said, Columbus stands out for his brutality and callous treatment of the natives. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Ben Franklin all had far greater positive impact, and their errors far less serious than Columbus’s, but none of them have a day honoring them.

      • So why don’t you and the princess of all the tribes get this awful man wiped from the pages of history. Because this is important since all of America stops on this day and worships at the feet of Columbus.
        If this was all I had to worry about in todays world I would be sitting in a field of daisys.
        Have a successful journey chasing this very important matter. Success is within your grasp! Never give up the fight!

      • The goal is truth, not to get him “wiped from the pages of history”. That means he should be taught in history as who he was, not presented to schoolchildren as a hero. It also means replacing the Federal holiday in his honor with one honoring someone more worthy.

      • I am more interested in righting the wrongs that are happening today. I have always known what type of people these explorers were. I am surprised that this is a issue. When we fix now, I will have time to be concerned about dusty old things.

      • Of course ongoing problems are of greatest concern. That said, the things we celebrate help set the tone for what people think is right and wrong. When we celebrate someone who perpetrated horrible crimes against humanity; especially when those crimes happened as part of the thing we are celebrating him for, we give tacit approval of those crimes.

        The message we sent, especially to those who want to get their names into the history books, is that the path to fame and fortune is via war, violence, and the ruthless exploitation of others. This directly contributes to the sort of problems we have today — governments violently suppressing dissent, wars, crime, waste and fraud from governments and captains of industry, and so forth.

      • You are preaching to the choir. The world you are describing will never be achieved by the human race. Hope you find Utopia.
        I have never had such a long conversation about a non issue in my life! You are wasting your time on me, move on!

      • I’m glad we agree that current issues are more important than things past. However, I don’t share your cynicism about what humanity can accomplish.

        I also can’t help but notice that you are spending a lot of time and effort telling me that this topic isn’t worth any time and effort.

      • This from the guy who just tried to tell me that liberals want to exterminate Christians. You know that the majority of liberals ARE Christians, don’t you?

      • Puleeeze. Our schools are now teaching about islam and saying it is a peaceful religion. Maybe you should be more worried about that. You’ve turned this thread into a bash fest on Columbus, but you are silent on islam….the whole reason Columbus came this way in the first place.

      • If there comes a time when Islamic fundamentalists pose a serious threat to me or those I care about, then I’ll worry about it.

        Currently, they don’t. In this country, it is Christian fundamentalists who try to force their moral beliefs on me.

      • Thank you. You just proved my point.
        You don’t give a [email protected] about the violence perpetrated by muslims, but you are beside yourself that Columbus is celebrated with discovering America because of bs you read on leftwing sites that are trying to destroy our country.
        Muslims are in charge of Homeland Security and they have infiltrated our education system. Kids are being taught that Mohammad was peace loving. THAT should worry you since his followers believe it is their duty to kill us.
        No Christian will behead you. Muslims do…..it’s what ole Mo preached.

      • I deplore all violence.

        However, I am not afraid of muslims. My odds of being beheaded by muslims are 1 in 150,000,000. More Americans have been married to Newt Gingrich than have been beheaded by muslims.

        I have a number of muslim friends and I can assure you that the vast majority of muslims DO NOT believe it is their duty to kill ANYONE, much less me.

        However, just two days ago I had a Christian tell me they hoped I would get beheaded.

      • The muslims are lying to you…it’s called TAQIYYA…deceit in order to advance islam.
        It is more than just beheadings to be worried about…it’s the loss of our freedoms. I have been a victim of the litigation jihad for posting the truth about islam.
        Start reading BARENAKEDISLAM to get the truth on what is happening.

      • Also, are you aware that rape has skyrocketed in England and the Scandinavian countries? Muslims are doing it. It’s sanctioned in the Koran. Muslim women disappear in Dearborn, MI….it is suspected that their families kill them in (un)honor killings. Did you know your muslim friends think it is ok to kill their child? Mohammad said so. All muslims are taught that Mohammad was the perfect man and that they are to emulate him.

      • Muslim immigration must be ended and they must be repatriated back to their countries of origin.
        By the way, AGAIN you refuse to speak out on the evil perpetrated by muslims today. You phrase it, “Since you are convinced that muslims are so evil”. ISIS is islam and they are muslims. …doing exactly what Mohammad did.

      • Christians won’t kill you Muslims will.
        You never know when one will go jihadi.
        Muslims…they’re peaceful….’til they’re not.

      • …and that is precisely the problem….you don’t care.
        You don’t speak out for the Rifqa Bary’s of the world. You don’t care because you think it won’t bother you “at this time”.
        You do NOT speak out on the evils of islam because it does not bother you “at this time”.
        Despicable.

      • I speak out against numerous things, however including my opposition to violence of all kinds.

        However, I tend to try to focus people’s attention on things that are being overlooked or ignored; I don’t feel much need to add “me too” when there is already a huge clamor of voices decrying a particular thing.

        The behavior of ISIL, the beheadings and 9/11 were all widely decried by numerous people of all political stripes. They were even widely condemned by muslims. When you mentioned them before, I said they were deplorable.

        That doesn’t mean I’m going to live in fear of muslim fanatics attacking me personally. Nor does it mean I need to be shouting about the obvious: Beheadings are bad. People who kill others in the name of their God are doing evil.

      • In other words you won’t do a thing to try to stop islam. By the way, they call themselves ISIS, but you called them ISIL. The “L” stands for “Levant” which includes Israel That tells me all I need to know about you.

      • That’s correct. I won’t make any special effort to single out Islam as bad. I try to confront ignorance and superstition wherever I encounter it. At the moment, that’s coming from you.

      • Being informed and speaking out against evil does not mean I am trembling in fear of muslims. It is a healthy fear and concern.
        You are a lefty and you side with islam because your end game is to overturn our Constitution.

      • I don’t have designs on the Constitution nor do I side with Islam.

        My endgame is to sail the Caribbean with a lovely lass. There won’t be any religious fanatics on my boat, Muslim or Christian.

      • If only the Left would speak out on the evils of islam that is happening today.
        The Left has conjured up this hate of Columbus because they want us to hate our heritage, hate our country so they can destroy us.

      • Liberals have been speaking out against the crimes against humanity done in the name if Islam.

        I don’t hate Columbus. I think his behavior was deplorable.

        We wouldn’t have a state holiday to honor ISIL, why should we have one to honor someone who has done equally horrible things?

      • BULL. Liberals…ie Leftists want Christians dead and gone. That is all that is standing in the was of them destroying all our freedoms. Obama funded ISIS .You do know that? He released the leader of ISIS from Gitmo in 2009. Did you know that? The Left supports the extermination of Christians in the Middle East and worldwide.

      • My mother and father are both Christians. Many of my dear friends are Christians. I certainly don’t want them dead and gone. I abhor all violence.

        Back to the topic at hand, do you think we should have a holiday celebrating Christopher Columbus despite the horrible crimes he committed? If so, why?

      • Left wing blogs are not my source.

        Here’s the eyewitness account by Bartolome de las Casas, written in 1542. He was so shocked by what he saw that he gave up his slaves, estate and other earthly possessions, joined the priesthood and eventually became a bishop:

        http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/amerbegin/contact/text7/casas_destruction.pdf

        Or how about these:

        http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/explorers/christopher-columbus-journal-diary.htm

        From the journals, here are a few things I noticed:

        Mon, Nov 12: …” Yesterday a canoe came alongside the ship, with six youths in it. Five came on board, and I ordered them to be detained. They are here now. I afterwards sent to a house on the western side of the river, and seized seven women, old and young, and three children. I did this because the men would behave better in Spain if they had women of their own land than without them”…
        …”The same night the husband of one of the women came alongside in a canoe, who was father of the three children—one boy and two girls. He asked me to let him come with them, and besought me much. They are now all consoled at being with one who is a relation of them all. He is a man of about forty-five years of age.”…

        So he kidnaps some women to comfort the young men he has kidnapped, and the husband of one if the men is so desperate to be with his wife that he leaves behind their children after Columbus won’t release her.

        In a report from his second voyage …”These cattle, etc., might be sold at moderate prices for account of the bearers; and the latter might be paid with slaves, taken from among the Carib-bees, who are a wild people fit for any work, well proportioned and very intelligent, and who, when they have got rid of the cruel habits to which they have become accustomed, will be better than any other kind of slaves. When they are out of their country, they will forget their cruel customs; and it will be easy to obtain plenty of these savages by means of rowboats that we propose to build. “…

        Now he’s making plans for the enslavement of the natives to pay for the cattle they want sent over.

        Of course, there are plenty more accounts of what he did and ordered done. Here is a very vivid account of the rape of a native women that Columbus gave to one of his men, Michele de Cuneo, in the man’s own words:

        While I was in the boat, I captured a very beautiful Carib woman, whom the said Lord Admiral gave to me. When I had taken her to my cabin she was naked—as was their custom. I was filled with a desire to take my pleasure with her and attempted to satisfy my desire. She was unwilling, and so treated me with her nails that I wished I had never begun. But—to cut a long story short—I then took a piece of rope and whipped her soundly, and she let forth such incredible screams that you would not have believed your ears. Eventually we came to such terms, I assure you, that you would have thought that she had been brought up in a school for whores.

      • Yes, de las Casas wrote about Colombus’s legacy, not what Colombus himself specifically did as an eyewitness.

        However, I’m pretty sure Colombus wasn’t dead when the journals were written. Do you have any thoughts on those events, which are first hand accounts of his actions?

  29. I would like to share an excerpt from a letter I received from Mike Evans, of the Jerusalem Prayer Team, concerning the financial contributions of Jewish businessmen to purchase ships and finance the voyage of Christopher Columbus to discover a new land, America. Also, when the colonials faced defeat in the American Revolution, Jewish people gave $1 million for the troops, contributing to the victory over the British. It’s amazing how history gets distorted over the years. Here’s the excerpt:

    During one of my first trips to Israel nearly three decades ago, I spent an afternoon with a brilliant Jewish scholar. He was researching and writing a book on the Spanish Inquisition. We talked for hours about his findings. Have you ever wondered why Columbus sailed in search of a new land in 1492? Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand had issued an edict of ejection regarding the Jews. It stated that every person of Jewish descent had to leave Spain or be executed. Jewish businessmen went to Christopher Columbus, an Italian Jew, and pledged to finance his efforts to discover a new land. They purchased the ships that carried Columbus across the ocean to the shores of what would become America.

    In 1776, when the 13 Colonies were fighting the British during the American Revolution, the colonial soldiers were poorly armed, starving to death, and on the verge of defeat. A Jewish banker from Philadelphia, Hyman Solomon, went to the Jews in America and Europe and gathered a gift of one million dollars. He gave the money to George Washington to buy clothes and arms to outfit the American troops. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness were born on American soil as a result of that gift.

    To show his appreciation, George Washington had the engravers of the U.S. one-dollar bill include a memorial to the Jewish people over the head of the American eagle. Look closely. You will find 13 stars of the Mogen David, the Star of Israel. Around that star is the cloudburst of the glory in the tabernacle. Our God-fearing President, George Washington, decreed that there must be a memorial to the Jewish people for the contributions they made to further this nation.

    • My aunt has a book by Mike Evans and I am so impressed by him that I bought my copy. I learned a lot about the Mid East countries. He wrote about the development of the caliphate. He predicted the caliphate before it happened. It is good to have someone deliver the information with reliability like he does.

      • There is are HUGE spiritual, religious, social and genetic differences between the Sephardic Hebrews of Spain, southern France and Italy, and the Talmudic, Zionist, Ashkenazi “Jews” of Eastern Europe.

        The former, of which I am one, are actual Jews and are your friends, the latter are imposters and in private consider you “worthless Goyim”.

        90% of all modern Jews are Ashkenazim.

        Google “ashkenazi dna test”, and discover the truth for yourself

  30. Anyone who takes the time to learn all of Christopher Columbus’s story will be amazed. If you read his journals you will be equally amazed. He wasn’t just some greedy loser who was looking for self glorification. He wasn’t perfect; no he wasn’t but it was his faith in God and his belief in the deity and his knowledge that the earth was round based upon his studies of Scripture that led him to travel into the unknown where very few others were willing to set sail.
    It has become a popular thing in American culture, because of the trivialization of his heroic efforts, to ridicule and demean this adventurous visionary. Whatever some liberal socialist may say about this man will not take away from what he did or what he contributed to the world. How dark, backward and ferrell this world might still be today if not for his courage. Easy for armchair quarterbacks to sit and criticize when they themselves have contributed very little except
    for disputes and hot air .

    • He might have had a forced belief in God, I will give him that but, the thing is this, WHY do we celebrate HIM discovering America??????? He DID not discover America or what is now called America….The man was lost, out of food, fresh water, his crew were dying from exposure, disease, malnutrition and who knows what else. It was indeed a miracle from God Almighty that he made landfall just in time to save some of his crew. BUT the man had NO idea where he was and where he was, WAS NOT AMERICA, North, South or Central America…..Not to mention YOU CAN’T DISCOVER SOMEWHERE WHEN THERE ALREADY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THERE LIVING, PRODUCING, FORMING GOVERNMENTS AND THRIVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • The American Indians didn’t have much of a form of gov’t. Most wondered around and had no permanent dwellings.

    • Except that Columbus didn’t write his journals as private diaries. He knew they would be read by those funding his conquests. Do you think he is going to write that he is a greedy blood-thirsty murderer? His men threw INFANTS up into the air and impaled them on their swords.

      I am not a progressive. I love America. But I do not honor Columbus.

    • His letters to the king and queen told of his desire to use the natives as slaves. The diaries of his men prove that they were given the native women to rape.

      You’re being naive, at best, and deliberately obtuse at worst. Why don’t you do more than read what HE wrote, and also read what his men wrote so that you can get the entire picture.

      And by the way, everyone already knew the earth was round at the time — and it wasn’t because of the bible.

      And as for this comment you made:

      “Easy for armchair quarterbacks to sit and criticize when they themselves have contributed very little except for disputes and hot air .”

      Unless you read everything you can about him, you’re doing exactly what you stated here.

  31. Christopher Columbus isn’t the saint everybody makes him out to be. He was a horrible horrible man.

    In his time he committed several of the 7 sins

    He gave in to Mammon, The demon of greed. one of the 7 deadly sins
    He gave in to Asmodeus, The demon of lust. Antoher of the 7 deadly sins
    He gave in to Lucifer, The demon of Pride, another Sin.
    He gave in to Leviathan, the demon of envy, another of the 7 sins
    His greed and lust caused him to give into Satan, the demon of Wrath, another of the 7

    5/7 sins. I’m pretty sure he is in hell.

    If the native americans didn’t find enough gold he would have them raped, tortured and killed. He mainly only voyaged for gold and glory. He almost wiped out an entire civilzation by himself because he wanted gold. He would force people to find gold where there was none, and if they didn’t find it he would kill them. He used the natives as sex slaves for his men. He let his men test things like the sharpness of their weapons by cutting natives in half and beheading them and throwing them into vats of boiling soap.

    I don’t think we should dedicate a day to this scumbag. Even though he was a horrible person. He is still better than the sub-human mongrel in the white house right now.

    • I think you have your demons a bit confused here. First off, Satan is Lucifer, since his fall from grace, after seeking to displace God. Second, those are HUMAN weaknesses, which Satan and his minions exploit, to draw people away from following God’s Word and way. To my knowledge, NO ONE ever claimed Columbus was a “saint”, just an explorer and sailor/ navigator.

      • That’s like arguing that no one ever claimed Hitler was a “saint”, just a bold and visionary leader.

        We shouldn’t honor a mass murderer like Columbus with a Federal holiday.

      • You want mass murderers to attack to assuage your guilt, choose some who actually were, like Custer, and the guys who led the Sand Creek, and both Wounded Knee massacres. Columbus made errors and people died, but he didn’t set out to kill, as those did! And yes Eric the Red should also be honored, but at the time that holiday was set we didn’t knoe Eric had actually reached the new world, that came to light later.

      • I don’t have any guilt over this. I wasn’t involved, nor were my ancestors.

        Columbus didn’t make errors that accidentally caused deaths.

        He deliberately set out to force the natives to reveal the source of their gold using torture; when they didn’t come up with enough gold he would cut off one of their hands. He enslaved native women and gave them to his men to rape. When the natives couldn’t produce enough gold (there really wasn’t much to be had) he took back as many as he could as slaves, with hundreds dying in the journey. He did this repeatedly over multiple expeditions.

        I didn’t argue for Eric the Red being honored, but that would be fine by me.

      • Odd… you sound like you ‘re suffering liberal white guilt, and like you’re describing some of the Spanish Conquistadors in Central and South America, although a few of the early English colonists also behaved in like manner. However I never heard it attached to Columbus, particularly, since he was seeking a route to India for the spice and silk trade, more than gold.

      • Would it be liberal white guilt if I protested Hitler being honored with a holiday here?

        This has nothing to do with me personally and everything to do with the moral character of our nation and the truth of what we teach our kids.

        Since you haven’t heard of this being attached to Columbus, I’d like to assure you I’m not making it up. Here’s some historical perspective:

        http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/Uncomfortable-truth-that-Columbus-was-a-mass-killer-and-the-father-of-the-slave-trade.html

      • He wrote to the king and queen that the natives would make great slaves. He allowed his men to rape women and kill children. Ed Zavada is right.

      • Did he? From Hispanola, after discovering the native peoples there? I suppose it was delivered by carrier seagull?

      • Don’t be obtuse. There are records of the letters, and people have posted links all over these threads. Do some research. They’ve also posted the diary entries of his men who talked about raping the women.

        And btw, the letters were written in 1494 — after he returned to Spain.

      • There were atrocities perpetuated by the Holy Roman Church and the Catholic Monarchy in Spain. Those were the same people who perpetuated the persecution of the Jews in Spain which also began (on the ninth of AV* on the Hebrew calendar in 1492, (which we know as) the Spanish Inquisition. The government gave the Jews an ultimatum to leave, convert or die. This done in the name of Christ, which in reality bears no resemblance to the Christ of the Bible or true Christianity. The wealth of the departing Jews was taken and financed the voyage of Columbus. It is believed that many of the crewmen who sailed with Columbus were Jewish men who would have suffered had they remained in Spain.
        _______________________________
        * Ninth of Av,

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisha_B%27Av

      • I certainly don’t condone the persecution of anyone for their religious beliefs. Nor do I condone persecution of people based on someone else’s religious beliefs.

        Regardless of the the information you’ve provided, a national holiday honoring Christopher Columbus is not appropriate because of the horrible things he did in his pursuit of gold and personal fame and fortune.

      • No, I’ve never bought a lottery ticket. But there is nothing wrong with pursuit of fame and fortune, as long as you aren’t committing all sorts of monstrous crimes in the pursuit of it.

        From the journals, here are a few things I noticed:

        Mon, Nov 12: …” Yesterday a canoe came alongside the ship, with six youths in it. Five came on board, and I ordered them to be detained. They are here now. I afterwards sent to a house on the western side of the river, and seized seven women, old and young, and three children. I did this because the men would behave better in Spain if they had women of their own land than without them”…
        …”The same night the husband of one of the women came alongside in a canoe, who was father of the three children—one boy and two girls. He asked me to let him come with them, and besought me much. They are now all consoled at being with one who is a relation of them all. He is a man of about forty-five years of age.”…

        So he kidnaps some women to comfort the young men he has kidnapped, and the husband of one if the men is so desperate to be with his wife that he leaves behind their children after Columbus won’t release her.

        In a report from his second voyage …”These cattle, etc., might be sold at moderate prices for account of the bearers; and the latter might be paid with slaves, taken from among the Carib-bees, who are a wild people fit for any work, well proportioned and very intelligent, and who, when they have got rid of the cruel habits to which they have become accustomed, will be better than any other kind of slaves. When they are out of their country, they will forget their cruel customs; and it will be easy to obtain plenty of these savages by means of rowboats that we propose to build. “…

        Now he’s making plans for the enslavement of the natives to pay for the cattle they want sent over.

        Of course, there are plenty more accounts of what he did and ordered done. Here is a very vivid account of the rape of a native women that Columbus gave to one of his men, Michele de Cuneo, in the man’s own words:

        While I was in the boat, I captured a very beautiful Carib woman, whom the said Lord Admiral gave to me. When I had taken her to my cabin she was naked—as was their custom. I was filled with a desire to take my pleasure with her and attempted to satisfy my desire. She was unwilling, and so treated me with her nails that I wished I had never begun. But—to cut a long story short—I then took a piece of rope and whipped her soundly, and she let forth such incredible screams that you would not have believed your ears. Eventually we came to such terms, I assure you, that you would have thought that she had been brought up in a school for whores.

      • Your link simply highlighted how the Spanish explorers after Columbus’ discovery dealt with the natives. In fact, disease killed many on both sides more so than war.
        The fact that Christopher was the one credited with the discovery that the world was in fact round, and not flat and that he was the one who discovered America – I believe that it is not at all wrong to institute a holiday to commemorate that first voyage.

      • Columbus specifically kidnapped natives and enslaved them; specifically gave native women to his men to rape, and specifically ordered them killed when they did not cooperate, and specifically planned and did enslave them. That the Spaniards who came after were still crueler, or that disease took a larger toll than direct conflict is beside the point. The man did things that should disqualify ANYONE from being celebrated with a Federal holiday.

        Columbus was credited with the discovery that the world was round; but only by people who don’t know actual history. The world was known to be round by the ancient Greeks. Illiterate artists of Europe in the centuries before Columbus depicted the world as a globe. Columbus was not trying to prove the earth was round, but rather demonstrate that India was reachable by sailing west. He thought the earth was substantially smaller than the Greeks calculated; which is why he thought this was possible. He was actually wrong, yet persisted in the belief that he had actually reached India.

      • You do have a point, and since the Bible itself condemns slavery (as slavery is though of a la in the US) Exodus 21:16 “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death. “

  32. Great article! Everyone needs to know the true history of Islamic imperialism.

    Just one little error that needs correcting. The last sentence of the sixth paragraph SHOULD read: “And 11 years later in 732 AD at the Battle of Tours it was Charles “The Hammer” Martel who gave the Umayyad caliphate a serious setback in its objective of conquering Europe from the west.”

  33. Everybody knows that it should be called Ugga Day after the not so indigenous Ugga who with his family/friends crossed the Bering Sea ice bridge during the last ice age. Unfortunately it is believed that Ugga was ingloriously trampled by Manfred the wholly mammoth so he never got the credit he deserves – but he did help keep the saber tooth tiger population going for a little longer. However there is dissention amongst the politically correct. PETA is fighting the name change to Ugga Day on the grounds that Ugga’s relatives/friends caused the extinction of wholly mammoths and saber tooth tigers. I mean really, can you believe how politically incorrect the first humans in the Americas were?

    • Exactly, aGrinmm, the “native” Americans were immigrants as well, and were quite destructive to the Western Hemisphere themselves. They were also known for using their captives as slaves. The Cherekees were big slave owners.

    • Yeah that was my point too. There was people here long before the American Indians. Who all loved each other, no matter what tribe they came from.

    • I saw something on the History Channel a few years ago that said it appears white Europeans got here FIRST. They have found European artifacts that pre-date the “indigenous” people.

  34. We owe Charlie TWO Thank yous 🙂 – “Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers – then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.”– Adolf Hitler, August 28, 1942

  35. VERY WELL STATED… THANK YOU for the HISTORY LESSON… I ONLY WISH that that would make it into TODAYS CURRICULLUM. (DOUBTFULL)… TOO BUSY with sex-ed and PC

    • Well I should hope not, cuz it’s crap. All those Jews that were killed and tortured by the Spanish Reconquista? They didn’t come to Spain fleeing Islam, they came to Spain because of it. The Muslim caliphates of old were much more tolerant than the barbaric christian kingdoms of Medieval Europe at the time, and Muslim Iberia was a safe haven from the heretic barbeque in Europe

  36. NO Columbus DID NOT set out to prove the world not flat. That had already been done and quite a while BEFORE Chris’s desires to become famous. IF he did anything concerning the plagues and genocide that came to the Americas, it was to indeed open the gateway for others with much more sinister plans than he. IF you are going to spout history, let’s make sure that you KNOW what the heck you are talking about FIRST.

  37. Well here we go again the PC Police are awake early this morning. 1st Amendment is in the trash even on this site and I didn’t even cuss.

  38. We Bought, Conquered and Stole the Continent and Won. Get over it ya
    freaking cry babies. We just did what every other peoples have done
    every since Man climbed out of the Trees and pick up his first piece of
    sharp flint and made his own first fire. So cry to somebody who cares
    cause most of US have more important things to worry about. Like how
    much ammo I can get before Walmart or Big R runs out. Or how much bread
    flour can I pick up at King Super or how many pounds of wheat berries I
    can get at Whole Foods to grind for flour. And will my chickens lay any
    eggs today cause they’re moulting. You know the important stuff of life
    not this Progressive BS they’re spouting every stinking day or my tatas
    or split tail hurts, or they are mean to me or they’re racist, or
    homophobes, or Islamophobes, etc,etc adnauseum. If you have nothing
    constructive to say just Shut Up like you tell us to all the time, and go back to your closet.

    • I do have something constructive to say:

      1) As a society we shouldn’t be praising people of poor moral character like Columbus, whose positive contributions were far outweighed by his monstrous crimes against humanity.

      2) We should replace that holiday with praise for someone who made primarily positive contributions (Amerigo Vespucci, for example); or with a holiday that benefits our democracy, such as an Election Day holiday.

      Here’s a petition in support of the later for anyone who wants to do something constructive:

      https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/drop-columbus-day-federal-holiday-add-election-day-replacement-theres-nothing-more-american-voting/C2PHl800

      • We are both a democracy and a republic. We are not a direct democracy, though thanks to ballot measures and such we are moving more in that direction. We are, however, a representative democracy.

        Again, what does this have to do with my points?

      • It means you don’t know what you are talking about. Also, you think it’s a good thing to move to mob rule? That is what democracy is….mob rule. Our Founders LOATHED democracies. By “ballot measures” you mean ignoring the Constitution and rewriting with “ballot measures”.

      • If you don’t know the facts that we are a Republic..there is a good chance you are posting falsehoods about Columbus.

      • Then since I already agreed that we are a republic then that’s not really an issue anymore is it.

        So what do you think about changing Columbus day for Amerigo Vespucci day?

      • I think there are far more important issues….stopping Obama’s push for an unconstitutional executive amnesty that would end the United States. Stopping flights from ebola countries…..greatly reducing all immigration and assimilating those that are here. Deporting illegals….who kill approx. 25 Americans everyday. Over 100,000 Americans have been killed or murdered by illegals since 9-11. Mexico has declared a RECONQUISTA on the US. If you don’t know about it…look it up.
        Since the 1990s the black population has been cut in half in LA because of illegal alien Mexican gangs issuing a fatwah against blacks.
        THESE are the things we should be worried about.

      • Everything you said above is factually incorrect:

        1) Obama isn’t seeking executive amnesty, and even if he were it wouldn’t “end the United States”

        2) Stopping flights from countries where Ebola is present would INCREASE the danger to Americans.

        3) It’s been 13 years since 9/11. There are about 16,000 murders each year in the US, so about 200,000 murders since 9/11. Illegal immigrants DO NOT commit 50% of the murders in the US.

        4) Mexico, far from declaring war on the US, is actually working closely with the US government to try to implement policies the US asks; including tighter controls on their southern border to reduce the flow of children from Central America.

        5) fatwah’s are issued by muslim clerics. Mexicans are Christian, mostly Catholic. They don’t have muslim clerics in their ranks, so they don’t issue fatwah’s.

      • I don’t know what rock you live under, but it’s been all over the news that Obama is going to try to push an illegal amnesty. He has said so. I saw him say it.
        Mexico’s military routinely crosses our border…an act of war. Their invasion of illegals is an act of war.
        Illegals murder approx. 12 Americans daily and kill another 12 to 13 daily.
        30% of criminals in our federal prison system are illegals, although that number is probably lower now since Obama released most of them into our cities.
        Look up “black population cut in half by illegals”. I did a speech on it so I know what I’m talking about.
        Stopping flights from Ebola countries would stop Ebola from getting on our soil in the first place. Your comment is just plain dumb.

      • Sorry, I thought “executive amnesty” referred to something else. I don’t agree that having to pay a large fine as punishment before you normalize your status is “amnesty”. That’s the proposal from the Democrats (and from the Bush administration before).

        The Daily Caller (conservative site) cites 20 instances since 2010 of Mexican forces crossing the border. The incident described as “most serious” involved a few Mexican soldiers 50 yards inside the border.

        In 18 U.S. Code § 2331, there is a legal definition of “act of war”:

        the term “act of war” means any act occurring in the course of—
        (A) declared war;
        (B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or
        (C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin

        While both the Mexican and American forces in the most serious incident were both armed, no shots were fired, so I don’t think that meets the legal definition of conflict.

        So suddenly your numbers of illegals who kill Americans have dropped in half, from 25 to 12. Why don’t you just cite the source for your information so I can see what is really going on?

        Obama has deported more illegals than any administration in history, and illegal immigration fell under Obama. Those are the facts.

        Your ability to give a speech on a topic has nothing to do with your actual knowledge of that topic. You could easily simply invent stories at length on a topic you know nothing about. If you have actual credentials as a researcher in the area of population or crime, that would be interesting. Otherwise, you are committing the logical fallacy known as “appeal to false authority”.

        Actual experts in epidemiology and contagious diseases have stated that stopping flights would increase the spread of Ebola by depriving the people treating it in “Ebola countries” of needed resources. Also, the US is now an “Ebola country” since we have had two cases of it contracted on our soil. And stopping flights wouldn’t prevent people from flying to a 3rd country, or just leaving the “Ebola country” some other way and catching a flight from a country where there are no cases of Ebola. I’m afraid I’m going to have to trust the experts over you on this matter, at least until you present your credentials in epidemiology or contagious diseases.

      • “A republic is a representative democracy where the people vote for representatives to wield power in their stead.”

        Frustration with society and government leaves most people feeling ambivalent or helpless. But we must not forget that the only thing standing between liberty and tyranny is the freedom to participate in democracy. We must use it or run the risk of losing it entirely.

        http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic

  39. There is a Civil war against Us white americans we are beat daily killed WHY, can you Help us whites..they wont hire us..They hate us Liberal media race baits too…

  40. Blacks, and Mexican drug Cartel Joins ISIS, and illegals will join ISIS if no dream act..Why are they going to kill More whites?

  41. BLACKS HAD MORE WHITE PEOPLE FOR SLAVES ANd LONGER ANd LIED HID IT..SO DID MEXICANS INDIANS, ARABS/ MUSLIMS WHO OWNED US BOTH As SLAVES..White slavery from in Aafrica , from 1530 to 1780….200 years of white slavery in america shipped and owned by Blacks, Biggest slave owner, Latino , Indians, Mexicans…who owned us both..Less than 25 of whites really had slaves…There was More white slaves…Blacks had more white people for slaves and for longer and lied..Were still your slaves, Most don’t work..and they hate us….White History month I started from NOV to DEC…WHITe SLAVERY MONTH, from JAN to FEB….MARCH to APRIL is Whites are in genocide world wide so who is really racist..Protest black History month Whites Are the victim…They lied..

    • It’s a good effort. Very convincing using of the sort misspelling, all caps, and incomplete sentences that any great rant must have. You also get extra points for turning white people, who control the majority of the wealth in this country, into the victims. Unfortunately, I can’t give you top marks because you forgot to call us all sheeple and tell us to wake up. No true masterpiece of genuine nut-job gibberish is complete without that.

      Final score 8 of 10 on the trollometer.

  42. Actually, I DID know Columbus set out to find another route to India, etc…because the muslims had CUT OFF a long used Trade Route on land, but I didn’t know all the details you provided !….Thanks for another interesting history lesson !

  43. I knew about the Islamic takeover of southern Spain, and the fall of Constatinople, but, I never put them together, so I didn’t realize the damage the Muslims had done to the West’s trade routes and economy. They’re still up to those ugly, destructive actions and tactics. Yes, we need another Charles Martel, and Ferdinand & Isabella, also!!

  44. Columbus and the Legacy of Genocide

    “Genocide expert David Stannard has asserted that, beginning in 1492 with Columbus, Europeans collectively killed between 70 million to 100 million Indigenous People (within 80 years). In his book American Holocaust, Stannard calls this “the largest ongoing holocaust in the history of humanity.” The consequences of this Indigenous Holocaust were world-changing: 95% of Indigenous People were killed by European actions, 100% of Indigenous lands were stolen, and European-descent people became the most prosperous people on the planet.”

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/12/1246553/-Columbus-and-The-Legacy-of-Genocide

    “Spain was the perfect place for pirate and slave-trader Christopher Columbus to go as he looked for financial backing for further naval exploitations. In 1492, Spain was an environment hot with the fervor of Holy Wars against Muslims and the expulsions of Jews out of Spain.”

    https://www.facebook.com/NicanTlaca

    http://www.salon.com/2014/10/13/north_america_is_a_crime_scene_the_untold_history_of_america/?source=newsletter

  45. Islam is slowly creeping in a lot of countries and conquering them from within under
    the guise of multiculturalism and tolerance.

    Which is funny since they throw a fit over places not bowing down to them and you
    would think Muslim women would enjoy the freedoms the most since they are in a
    free country yet they expect to be treated like they are in an Islamic country.

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