A politically incorrect view of Columbus Day (yes, it’s tied to Islam)

Happy Columbus Day! Now, I know that’s going to upset some folks who want to rename this Indigenous People’s Day. But I for one am very appreciative for the endeavor upon which Genoan Christopher Columbus embarked upon in 1492.

It’s time for a little trek through history because Columbus’ achievement is relevant to where we are today.

To understand his achievement, we need to put the whole episode into context.

After Mohammad’s conquest of Mecca circa 628 AD, his strategic objective went beyond what we know as the Arabian peninsula. Upon his death, that vision was still maintained by what would be known as the Umayyad Caliphate. It was under this Caliphate that Islam violently expanded across North Africa, after which the North African Berbers, Moors, and the Islamic armies turned their sights across the Mediterranean towards the Iberian Peninsula and Europe.

The Islamic conquest of what is now Spain and Portugal began in 711 and lasted fully until 718 when the conquered land was renamed Al Andalusia — something which modern Islamo-fascists and jihadists use today. Between 728 and 732 AD, the Islamic armies sought to expand their reach beyond Spain into what is now France.

It was in 721 AD at the Battle of Toulouse where a victorious Christian army led by Duke Odo of Aquitaine over an Umayyad Islamic army checked the spread of Umayyad control. And 11 years later in 732 AD at the Battle of Tours it was Charles “The Hammer” Martel who gave the Umayyad caliphate a serious setback in its objective of conquering Europe from the east.

It also signaled the beginning of Islamic rule in the Iberian peninsula and what became known as the “Reconquista.” It took some 781 years for the Spanish to break the stranglehold of the Islamic occupation, but it finally came with the combined strength of Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castille in 1492 — with the fall of Grenada — check out one of Charleston Heston’s great movies, “El Cid,” to gather an understanding of the conflicts on the Iberian peninsula at the time.

However, something happened before the success of Ferdinand and Isabella in Spain — Constantinople fell in 1453 to the Ottoman Turks and signaled a huge defeat for what had been known as the center of the Eastern Roman Catholic empire. It was the fulfillment of the letter which Mohammad had sent to the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius way back around 628 AD.

Most importantly, it cut off the eastward trade route to the Indies and China, critical for European commerce. Subsequently there would be two major engagements that were successful in checking the Islamic conquest of Europe: one was the naval battle of Lepanto in 1571 and the other was the Battle of Vienna in 1683 — of course Europe today still remains under siege from Islamo-fascism and jihadism.

So the man from Genoa, Christopher Columbus, stepped forward not only to challenge the belief that the world was flat, but to find a westward route by sea to the Indies and China. With the defeat of the Islamic armies, Columbus believed he could find favor with Ferdinand and Isabella, and indeed Isabella took a liking and supported Columbus’ endeavor. So we can thank Islamic conquest for inspiring Columbus to find a new trade route west.

Many condemn Columbus for his endeavor because of the clash of civilizations, which brought disease and death to the indigenous peoples of the New World. As well, with a completely warranted fear of the spread of Islam, the Spanish had adopted Roman Catholicism as a state-sponsored religion and hoped to spread it to the New World in order to counter Islam.

Another horrific residual effect from the Islamic conquest of over 780 years was the Spanish Inquisition, which had abhorrent effects on the Jewish community, which had fled the Middle East and the Holy Land because of Islamic conquest.

This is why we don’t have a state-sponsored religion in America, but we do have a Judeo-Christian faith heritage, and the freedom to practice.

The Jewish diaspora began under Roman Emperor Hadrian around 135 AD after the unsuccessful Bar Kokhba revolt where upon victory, Hadrian renamed Judea as Palaestinia, andJerusalem became known as the Roman province of Aeolia Capitolina. Of course after Mohammed’s rise, a thriving Jewish community was driven from the Middle East as well — so we now know who are the real occupiers forcing people from their traditional homelands.

But, today we celebrate and remember this Italian explorer who realized the world needed a new trade route because of Islamic conquest — and just so you know, the Umayyad caliphate was followed by the Abbasid caliphate. And here we are today, some 1400 years later, still confronting Islamic conquest by violence, displacement of other indigenous religions by Islam, and the establishment of a caliphate.

We thank Christopher Columbus, but now the world needs another Charles Martel.

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Klaus Fischer
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I just watched a documentary on Charles Martel, it was very interesting information, as was this. Thanks

James C. Elliott
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One correction: no one believed the Earth was flat. That’s a 19th Century myth invented to discredit those opposed to Darwin’s theory. They believed the earth was round from the Ancient Hebrews and Greeks up to Columbus’ day. They just misjudged the size of the globe.

happylada
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Not by much – I seem to recall that the Egyptians were within a couple hundred miles in their calculations

Wendy Slafka
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More people need to read the history of ISLAM and see it for what it is–a violent overthrow of territory to convert people by FORCE to their cult of beliefs. To put to death anyone that opposes that and we need to stop the politically correct rhetoric concerning Islam.

Eurekacon
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And the Spanish Catholics thought any different in their conquest of the Americas?

TellstheTruth
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The Spanish Catholics found indigenous peoples who engaged in human sacrifice. But I guess that’s ok with you.

Ed Zavada
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Yes, but that’s not what Columbus found.

Columbus, by his own words, found peaceful healthy people, who were friendly and helpful. He wrote that he thought they would be good Christians.

Instead, he and his men kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered them in their lust for gold.

Eurekacon
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Is that what I said? Does that legitimize the conquering and genocide of a people in order to take as much resources as possible? Let’s be clear here: the conquest of the Americas was not a “civilizing” mission despite how grade school history books like to put it. Again, I think everyone on this forum would benefit from reading up on the Valladolid debates to understand what were the real concerns and motives of Spanish colonialism. The “civilizing” discourse is exactly what underpinned colonialism all over the world, but I guess you’re buying right into it.

Darwin
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So now that the Conquistadors are no longer a nuisance, for the love of humanity what do we do about the people getting their heads sawn off this very moment?

Eurekacon
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Do you mean the people who were decapitated? Maybe recover their bodies… as for those who committed the acts – invade and kill them?

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F. De Moraes
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Minor correction, Granada is a city and province in Spain and part of Andalusia while Grenada is an island and country in the Caribbean Sea.

Karl Johnsen
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One further correction: The Eastern empire was never Roman Catholic. It was Eastern Orthodox. Though both sides did use the word catholic as an adjective, the east was adamantly never Roman Catholic. The Great Schism of 1054 divided the Church between East and West, precisely over the question of whether the Bishop of Rome had jurisdiction over the whole church. This split roughly mirrored the empire which had first been split into eastern and western empires (for administrative purposes, but there were 2 emperors. Diocletian in the East, and Maximian in 285. Then under Constantine the Great the empire was… Read more »
TellstheTruth
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The Eastern empire was Eastern Catholic, not Eastern Orthodox until the Great Schism.

Cincinnatus
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Thanks Colonel West for the refresher course for us old fogies, who actually read about and learned these facts, when were in school – back in the paleolithic era. Now, of course, actual history has been replaced by neo-Communist demoncrat fictional history of choice to advance their strategic “beliefs”. Perhaps if we could roll back the destruction that has been wrought upon our educational system, our children and grandchildren would understand the historical importance of the history of the “age of discovery”, rather than the “scientific” techniques of LGBT practices that have seemed to overtake even the “women’s studies,” “feminist… Read more »
Zoey0728
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What you learned was wrong. And what West wrote is wrong. No one believed the world was flat at that time. Columbus and his men enslaved, raped and killed these people. They killed babies. Perhaps if you would use Google you would learn something new for an “old fogy”.

Ed Zavada
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Here’s some actual history, straight from the source: YOUR HIGHNESSES, as Catholic Christians and Princes who love the holy Christian faith, and the propagation of it, and who are enemies to the sect of Mahoma [Islam] and to all idolatries and heresies,resolved to send me, Cristóbal Colon, to the said parts of India to see the said princes … with a view that they might be converted to our holy faith …. Thus, after having turned out all the Jews from all your kingdoms and lordships … your Highnesses gave orders to me that with a sufficient fleet I should… Read more »
Darwin
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To you actually type this play-by-play every time?

Ed Zavada
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Why does it bother you to see the truth repeated?

Richard Keith Ross
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Thanks for that history lesson, Colonel. One thing was left out of that narrative, however. It is also a fact that in 1492 all Jews were ordered out of Spain, thus, prompting Columbus, who many believe to be 1/2 Jewish himself, to set out to find a home for his people to live, seeing how they had nowhere to go. So, it was God’s Providence that He prompted Columbus to go find the land, a land that would be friendly to the Jewish Race.

Ed Zavada
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Columbus left extensive writings behind. To the best of my knowledge none of them offer the slightest support for that idea.

What support do you have for this claim?

Darwin
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Jewish Pirates of the Carribean is a good popular history book that traces the Diaspora to the New World.

Ed Zavada
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I’d rather not read an entire 324 page book looking for the evidence to support your ideas about Columbus. Could you provide a relevant quote or two from the book that supports your premise?

Something that refers to specific historical evidence would be especially nice.

Darwin
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I’m suppose to do your research for you? I don’t care to argue the point. However, you may find the book interesting if you want to debate the topic with someone else in the future.

Ed Zavada
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You are the one making a claim of fact about Columbus’s motives. Therefore it is your responsibility to support that claim of fact with evidence. If you don’t care to do so, that’s completely up to you.

Darwin
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I was referring to Sephardic Jews fleeing Spain for the New World, not The motives of Colombus. I don’t care what knowledge you choose to absorb and use so proficiently in this discussion. The question I would like to ask you refers back to the topic of this article. What wisdom can you offer to those refugees fleeing ISIS today?

Ed Zavada
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My apologies. I thought you were defending the original commenter’s argument that “Columbus […] set out to find a home for his people to live”.

Darwin
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You know what? Never mind. I can already hear your precision non-answer.

The_Old_Geezer
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Columbus was an Italian who convinced Queen Isabella of Spain to finance his venture. He was not a Spaniard.

Johanna Roberts
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No Italy at that time. He was from Genoa and MAY have been part Jewish.

Tim Irving
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He was in it for the profit and glory nothing more.. Of course, he might have had some thoughts that are as far as I know unrecorded regarding a home for the Jews.

The_Old_Geezer
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And here we are today lacking the courage to go to the heart of Islam and rid the world of it once and for all though we have the means. Political Correctness falls under the heading of “Totally Stupid.”

porkchop6209
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Hence the glaringly obvious fault of socialist liberalism- a belief, even if unrecognized or admitted to, of acceptable actions or attitudes(anything goes) unshackled from consequences brought on by those actions.

1984 is here
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Thank you for your excellence

Zoey0728
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An historically incorrect blog post is excellence?

John Haffner
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Good story but you left out one minor detail. Columbus in his travels did as the Islamic army did in “exterminating” anyone who wouldn’t convert to Christianity. Ask anyone in the West Indies and they will Tell you. All religions have a bloody history.

Allen Michael
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So what? It is history, and many have learned from the atrocities of it! I don’t see most from South America whining about Columbus and what he did?

happylada
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Your statement is categorically false. Please attempt to prove your statement. Columbus among other things wished to bring health and Christianity to any he found – as as far as I remember, HE never killed anyone.

Apart from the butchers in izlam (its not a religion, but a culture which includes a religion) its atheopaths that have the bloody history. Hundreds of millions last century alone – all at the hands of non-Christians. Your bigotry and ignorance is on display.

Ed Zavada
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Hitler never killed anyone HIMSELF either. Here are some examples of the sorts of things he ordered, facilitated and supported: While I was in the boat, I captured a very beautiful Carib woman, whom the said Lord Admiral gave to me. When I had taken her to my cabin she was naked—as was their custom. I was filled with a desire to take my pleasure with her and attempted to satisfy my desire. She was unwilling, and so treated me with her nails that I wished I had never begun. But—to cut a long story short—I then took a piece… Read more »
Jones
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Columbus not only killed, he committed genocide.
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html

Tim Irving
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I doubt that there was any concern regarding the religious beliefs of those sold into slavery. At the time the West Indies was a captured territory so the state sponsored religion would have been in force and the Spanish Inquisition was still part of life. If the Muslims had arrived first the situation would have been much the same for those that they conquered..

Matt
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Right. So Islam, in this regard, is in no way extraordinary.

Tim Irving
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The end result for the conquered would have been different in that they would have been living under sharia law. Of course we can’t know whether people would have been sold into slavery by the Muslims. I expect market demand would decide that. Would one situation be more extraordinary than the other ? We are looking at a particularly nasty period of history.. We have the Muslims attempting to conquer the world and willing to kill all in their path who are not willing to be their subjects and the Inquisition on the other hand. Sort of a lose, lose… Read more »
Darwin
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OK fellas, so we got a lot of innocent folks trying to live their lives and trying not to get beheaded. Plans? Ideas?

Sam2001
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The current fad in history education is the rewriting as some ‘wish’ it were, not as it really was.

Ed Zavada
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Here’s a little bit of history, recorded directly in the words of those who lived it: YOUR HIGHNESSES, as Catholic Christians and Princes who love the holy Christian faith, and the propagation of it, and who are enemies to the sect of Mahoma [Islam] and to all idolatries and heresies,resolved to send me, Cristóbal Colon, to the said parts of India to see the said princes … with a view that they might be converted to our holy faith …. Thus, after having turned out all the Jews from all your kingdoms and lordships … your Highnesses gave orders to… Read more »
The_Old_Geezer
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Care to support this diatribe with a publication reference? It all became 100% suspect with “But—to cut a long story short.” Not to mention the idea that any portion of the “New World” would have had slave holders of European heritage.

Ed Zavada
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Always!

The first is from Bourne, E. G. (Ed.). (1906). The Northmen, Columbus and Cabot, 985-1503: The voyages of the Northmen, The voyages of Columbus and of John Cabot New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, p.90

http://www.understandingprejudice.org/nativeiq/columbus.htm#source3

The second is from Zinn, Howard, 1980, A People’s History of the United States. It’s available online here:

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html

The third is from The Four Voyages of Christopher Columbus, p. 139. ISBN 978-0-14-044217-5.

The forth is from Bartoleme de Las Casas, 1542, Brief Account of the Devastation of the Indies

You can read it online here:

http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bdorsey1/41docs/02-las.html

disqus_FWQPdRlVU8
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You mean the way they don’t mention that Christopher Columbus cut dissenters’ noses and ears off, cut the tongues out of people who dared speak ill of him, paraded dismembered bodies through the streets as a “warning,” and fed still-living, still-conscious foes to ravenous dogs?

Darwin
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dang… What World Series was that?

RandomTask
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Glaring error – Columbus nor anyone educated at the time thought the earth was flat, the prevailing thought that had been established centuries prior to that was that the earth was round.

Poorlaggedman
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It was common folklore at the time though. Nobody ever made the passage and lived to tell about it from Europe. It was theory based on astronomy.

Matt
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Astronomy, or the fact that if you look far enough, you can just see the curvature of the earth, like every single sailor at the time. They all new that if a ship approached from over the horizon, the mast appeared first. They new the earth was round.

sha-theed
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The west finds literally any excuse to display its paranoia of the middle-eastern other.

The_Old_Geezer
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ISIS Troll?

jack43
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Paranoia is an irrational fear. Is it irrational to fear those who wage war to advance a stone age concept of domination and use beheading liberally on their victims?

Ed Zavada
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It’s rational if you live in Syria or Iraq. It’s even understandable if you live anywhere in the Middle East.

If you live outside of that area then yes, it’s irrational.

Eurekacon
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Is beheading a couple dozen people better than killing hundreds of civilians and children via drones only to be dominated? No, they’re both horrific and should be condemned not compared.

jack43
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Are nonsequiturs propaganda or simply delusional? Which hundreds of civilians and children (aren’t children civilians?) are being killed to be dominated? You’ll have to supply the evidence on that one. Obviously, we don’t need further evidence of the beheadings. The culprits provide that in their own videoes – videoes used to terrorize any who oppose them.

Eurekacon
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http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/ But, let’s look back at the history of the Iraq war… specifically looking at CPA #1 and #2. When we ousted the wretched Sadaam baathist government and then pushed out the Shiites and installed the Sunnis it was old colonial tactics at work. THEN, we disarm the army and try to send them home after disenfranchising them and installing a new government. (not to mention, failing to track oil revenues). Look, I completely condemn violence and especially the beheadings. ISIS is to be feared for sure. But, let’s not forget where they came from and why… How does blowing… Read more »
jack43
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Let me begin by mentioning that this will exhaust my quota of comments in any one discussion thread. Trust me, I will make a point of reading whatever you reply. Secondly, let me say that I am not trying to convince you of anything. I have learned that no one will alter their opinion in an Internet discussion thread. I respond merely for the benefit of anyone who visits our discussion with an open mind. Now, as to your opinions. Do you honestly believe that the US military targeted civilians of any age in their drone strikes? The answer is… Read more »
Eurekacon
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Thank you very much for the honest and respectful post – too often online political exchanges are shot through with name calling and hatred. I take your point about the nature of the warfare but at its core this is an ideological (not religious) battle that won’t be won or lost through killing, or removing or installing new governments. But, if anything their attacks are to garner widespread support for their cause, such as when it’s painted as a “war on Islam”. Once U.S. involvement in the Middle-East becomes a “war on Islam” then you have a whole host of… Read more »
AmericanDuckie
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Excellent reply!

War_Wolf
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You said it brother!

Tim Irving
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Paranoia is irrational, Since the rise of Mohammed, Islamic conquest by all means available has been the means and the goal is world domination. Nothing has changed since 628 when Mecca fell as far as Islamic goals are concerned. I think we are far to trusting, and should expel all Muslims or Islamist from the country.

CheetoBuster
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Islamist’s have always been a thorn in the worlds side. Thanks to the Crusades, we didn’t all end up controlled by the Islamo-fascists!

Jake
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Historically speaking the most important moment of the Reconquista was probably the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa in 1212 wherein the Almohad Muslims suffered the loss of over 100,000 soldiers which really triggered the decline of Muslim power in the Iberian Peninsula. This victory is what really opened the door for the Christians to retake the whole of Spain.

Paul Sheridan
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100,000 soldiers would be an enormous army in 1212. Wikipedia says the total strength of the Muslim forces was 22,000 to 30,000. Where did you get 100,000 from?

Eurekacon
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This is taking crazy to a whole new level… Why is it that during these religious wars, you paint Islam as the violent, backwards folk and the Christians as the crusaders? First, they’re both violent in war. Secondly, what do you think the Christians did in the Americas? How is this any different (violence-wise) than the Muslims historically trying to conquer land? You might want to read a couple more books on the history of the Americas… (Pizarro, Cortez, or the historical Valladolid debates between de las Casas and Sepúlveda – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valladolid_debate).

WARIII
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Oh, and we Christians that have robbed and raped the world unlike your beloved muslims have increased knowledge so poorly that we have the most advanced society in the world with the greatest healthcare along with many other inventions to make life easier to live and still the muslims live in the 14th century where they kill their daughters for speaking to a man noy of their family , they remove little girls clitorises violently without sedation, they call blacks that convert “pig nosed slaves”. Oh yes they are amuch better group of people than Christians.

Ed Zavada
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You should probably go to Turkey or Morocco. They are modern societies.

The point is not that Muslims are better than Christians; it’s that you can’t judge ordinary people by what the extremists of their religion do. Should we judge all Christians in America by the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church? Or all Christians world wide by what Anders Breivik did?

AmericanDuckie
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Turkey?! Seriously?

And news flash- most progressives do judge Christians by the likes of Westboro and the klan. Difference is, Bible believing Christians denounce the actions of groups like that. Muslims don’t.

Ed Zavada
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What have you got against the Turks?

And many Muslims do denounce violence. You just aren’t listening. Here’s one:

http://www.npr.org/2014/09/25/351277631/prominent-muslim-sheikh-issues-fatwa-against-isis-violence

sharmarke
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Weirdo

badbadlibs
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WARIII is telling you the truth, and truth to lunatics such are yourself, makes him a “weirdo”. Get your head examined, if obamacare covers empty heads.

sharmarke
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Yep and your now one also

AmericanDuckie
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Good comeback. What are you 12?

sharmarke
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Naw, short and simple man thats all

ROT_SOLDIER
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Yep, every time the Left want to argue that Christians are just as evil, they can only bring up events that took place long ago. I’m not seeing Christians running around blowing, raping and beheading women and children TODAY. Bring me proof that Christians are doing this TODAY and we’ll have a discussion. Until then, you’re just another fool.

Eurekacon
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A lot of what I hear from people on both sides of the political aisle is that we are in a war against Islam. This was has resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths, just by drones alone hundreds of women and children are killed: http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/

Look, I’m not saying Christians are inherently evil or violent but neither are Muslims. The violence going on is between nations who are vying for power and resources. The religious underpinning just makes it that much easier to legitimize action. This was the case with conquest throughout history as well.

whoselineisitanyway
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Eurekacon: As Forrest Gump stated so eloquently: STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES. And you do so qualify as STUPID!

Eurekacon
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So… that’s your evidence against my argument? I didn’t resort to name calling and being disrespectful. If anything, war is stupid.

Allen Michael
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War is not a pretty picture. Thus Mr. Allen was not, he was stating facts. If what happened during the crusades did happen, you would be speaking arabic. Sound like a liberal to busy playing a victim. I can assure you that every ethnicity has experienced oppression in one instance or another. They can choose to be victims and whine for rape-erations, or be a Victor. And move on in life as so many have!

Eurekacon
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I don’t understand the first three sentences (war not pretty to Mr. Allen not… something about facts? All of us speaking Arabic?). But, I agree that many have faced oppression, just that oppression takes on many forms and has different levels. Why is almost the entire colonial world still underdeveloped? According to your logic, if they would have just accepted domination and stopped whining then perhaps regions like Africa wouldn’t be so damn poor.

War_Wolf
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Well, plenty of blame to go around for both sides… but the point is that muslims did indeed aggressively attempt to conquer Europe.

Ed Zavada
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Which seems like a good reason not to have a holiday celebrating their leaders and not to teach school kids they were awesome.

Why are we still doing that with Columbus?

War_Wolf
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Wow… what an enormous buffoon you are with that statement. For right or wrong, at the end of the day, because of Columbus, we have the United States (someone had to come across the Americas and CLAIM it eventually, it’s called survival of the fittest). But, I’m betting just the same you are a “hatriot” of our great republic? Go back and read why exactly Columbus and Europeans explored, migrated, and yes, CONQUERED the “Americas”, eventually evolving to the point 300 years later in which our Founding Fathers came along and established these United States of America as a residual… Read more »
Ed Zavada
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I understand the positive things Columbus did. He, through personal perseverance and determination, set off on a dangerous journey into unknown territory hoping to find a western route to Asia, and instead stumbled across the Americas. Those positive things must also be considered in the light of the horrible things that he and the men under his command personally did. We are talking about kidnapping, rape, torture, enslavement, and murder of the people who he himself described as peaceful, generous and helpful; simply to satisfy their lust for gold. My comments are not, as you implied, a general lament for… Read more »
Eurekacon
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Right, I’m not disputing that… but the point (I’m making) is that Christians did indeed aggressively attempt to conquer the Americas.

AmericanDuckie
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Oh yeah, those freaking puritans were just murderous barbarians. Give it a rest.

Eurekacon
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Exactly! Just like Ahmadiyya or other pacifist Muslim (or even any religious groups). It’s not about a religion being inherently evil but about the battle of resources and power between nations. It just so happens that millions were killed in the Americas by Christians and not Muslims (or any religious group). I’m not blaming Christians, this article is blaming Muslims.

ronkgman
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Well, I believe the Christians got over it….centuries ago..the muslims have not!

Ed Zavada
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Centuries is a bit of a stretch.

I don’t suppose you’ve heard of the Lord’s Resistance Army or the Klu Klux Klan?

Guest
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He and his crew were all into cool things like slaves and rape. Pretty awesome dude.

CheetoBuster
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Muslims continue to do that on a daily basis, yet….you say nothing

Ed Zavada
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What do you mean we say nothing?!? I speak up against slavery and rape all the time, regardless of what religion it’s perpetrators belong to.

And I’m unaware of any Muslim who is celebrated by a Federal holiday, much less one who who was a mass murder, rapist and slave trader.

keyesforpres
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Mohammad.
Hey, did you know it was Arab muslims that roared into Africa and started the worldwide slave trade?
Did you know there are over 30 words for “slave” in Arabic and “abed” is the most popular word for slave in Arabic? Hey, did you know that they also use “abed” to describe a black person? It means “pugged nosed slave”.
Rape is divinely sanctioned in the Koran…start reading Robert Spencer’s work and his website JIHADWATCH(dot) org and Pamela Geller’s ATLASSHRUGS(dot)com website along with the other website I posted earlier.

Ed Zavada
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Rape is ordered by God in the Christian Bible. Jesus supported slavery in the New Testament.

keyesforpres
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Nonsense. That is not true. You tell me what book and chapter that is written in the Bible. I’ve read it cover to cover several times and never saw that in the Bible. Jesus did not teach us to kill in order to spread Christianity. Thank you AGAIN for proving my point…..you do NOT speak out on the evils of islam….you just deflect and claim “it’s in the Bible too”. It is not. The violence in the Old Testament was battles happening at that time. We view it in a descriptive HISTORICAL context. The violence in the Koran is PRESCRIPTIVE…something… Read more »
Ed Zavada
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Here’s a Christian who beheaded someone in Oklahoma just a few days ago:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/okla-man-decapitates-son-state-trooper-grisly-murder-cops-article-1.1993242

keyesforpres
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He wasn’t Christian. His Facebook page said he liked islam. His name is a muslim name that is popular in Eastern Europe.

Ed Zavada
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Keep telling yourself that.

Ed Zavada
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Deuteronomy 20:10-14: As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given… Read more »
keyesforpres
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Yes, there was slavery back then. What you have posted was a particular battle. Notice that? It isn’t something that we are instructed to do now….like in the Koran.
Now, why don’t you post the crap in the Koran that muslims are taught to do NOW.

Ed Zavada
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There is nothing in the Bible nor in the Quran that says slavery is wrong. From the standpoint of their holy books, both Christianity and Islam are equally unethical/immoral when it comes to slavery.

Allen Michael
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So what civilization was not? Name me one civilization that did not practice rape and slaves?

Zoey0728
Guest

And how many of them have a holiday to honor a particular man who killed and raped women and children?

matt
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I love how people point out that people raped and pilaged land. Well guess what every ones ancestors have done it at some point. Like slavery, even Africans still have black slaves today so the hypocritical people can go piss off and read history some more.

Ed Zavada
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You mean like this history: YOUR HIGHNESSES, as Catholic Christians and Princes who love the holy Christian faith, and the propagation of it, and who are enemies to the sect of Mahoma [Islam] and to all idolatries and heresies,resolved to send me, Cristóbal Colon, to the said parts of India to see the said princes … with a view that they might be converted to our holy faith …. Thus, after having turned out all the Jews from all your kingdoms and lordships … your Highnesses gave orders to me that with a sufficient fleet I should go to the… Read more »
Warrior7Princess
Guest

Something is amiss here that so many people ignore the truth about Columbus. I appreciate your comments. It doesn’t make sense to me that anyone would honor him. This is especially true since he does not deserve credit for discovering America.

Ed Zavada
Guest

You’re welcome. I agree with you completely, but don’t forget that once people learn something one way, they tend to get very upset to then be told it was incorrect.

We see this with things as simple as astronomers deciding to reclassify Pluto as a dwarf planet rather than a full planet. I was amazed how attached people were to the idea that Pluto must be a planet.

Warrior7Princess
Guest

Yes, it is puzzling. I run across people like that from time to time. They already have their opinions made up when they don’t have the facts. And then they start criticizing without any concern for exploring the possibly of new facts. It would be entertaining if it was not such a waste of time.

whoselineisitanyway
Guest

Trouble is; most of the library’s can’t read and don’t understand.

Ed Zavada
Guest

“Library’s [sic] can’t read”? Huh?

Allen Michael
Guest

Wahhhh. Have fun with indigenous people day!

Ed Zavada
Guest

I will, thanks. Though personally I would consider just changing it to Amerigo Vespucci Day so the Italians still have a holiday.

disqus_FWQPdRlVU8
Guest

And cutting dissenters’ noses and ears off, cutting the tongues out of people who dared speak ill of him, parading dismembered bodies through the streets as a “warning,” feeding still-living, still-conscious foes to ravenous dogs… a real avatar of civilization, that Christopher Columbus… with heroes like that, who needs Islamic terrorists?

Ed Zavada
Guest

And even if Islamic Terrorists are worse, why should we honor a mass murder?

Allen Michael
Guest

People honor the likes of Oblamer and Killary? Or have you already forgotten benghazi? Good little sheeple.

Ed Zavada
Guest

Thank you for showing me how a really clueless person might respond. I’ve edited my post to make the meaning clearer.

Allen Michael
Guest

So here we have a holiday that was established in 1906, and now a bunch of liberals want to be politically correct, and make “indigenous people day” why not pick another day you stupid liberals?

AmericanDuckie
Guest

“The world needs another Charles Martel.”
Dare I say you’d be a great candidate for that Col. West.
Thank you for the awesome history lesson. Those who ignore it are certainly letting it repeat itself.

badbadlibs
Guest

Hey, American! Good to see a familiar face and know for a fact there’s at least one normal human on this thread!

AmericanDuckie
Guest

Where did the trolls come from lol. There were mostly sane people here earlier when I was on. Hey badbad!

Peter Charles Miller
Guest
If the Columbus mission had failed, there would have been another and another coming to America. It was just a matter of time. Marco Polo explored down to what is today Washington and the only reason we don’t speak Chinese now is because the main expansionist emperor died and his successor wasn’t as interested in what was over the ocean in America. The Vikings did succeed until the Little Ice Age cut off their food supplies and they basically began to starve to death. Columbus thought he was in East Indies only for history to say differently. It was Vespucci… Read more »
Howetexas
Guest

I wish it were possible but in America today, the weak and foolish take a cowardly approach to governing and choose to disarm the people making America vulnerable to all our enemies. Unless we become strong instead of limp and lame then we are doomed. We had a Charles Martel but he was deemed too extreme and the latest theory is that he was murdered at the end of WWII. Patton might have established a greater and even stronger military had he lived but it is doubtful he could have ever survived with the politics that developed after WWII.

Karen Audrey Todd
Guest

Salute when you say the name GEORGE S PATTON!

Ed Zavada
Guest

I think this comic strip, the Oatmeal, covered it pretty well:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day

apollodr
Guest

Now let’s see you do a comic strip about Muhammad.

Ed Zavada
Guest

You mean like this:

http://islamcomicbook.com/

WARIII
Guest

One small little problem, at the time of Columbus the earth was about 5500 years old not 14000. Have a nice day!

whatwherewho
Guest

Earth was much older than that at the time, little buddy.

WARIII
Guest

And to repeat badbadlibs, you were there… got it . I always wondered who the living witness was.

whatwherewho
Guest

We have the science to back it up. You have a fantasy book. I wonder which one a sane person should believe. Hmmmmmmm.

Ed Zavada
Guest

Well then obviously you must have been around when the Earth was created. Funny, you don’t look a day over 4,000.

badbadlibs
Guest

You know because you were there….got it. I always wondered who the living witness was.

Michael
Guest

The Earth was 4.6 billion years old at the time of Columbus…the comic strip states that indigenous people had inhabited this continent for around 14,000 years prior to his arrival, which is accurate.

WARIII
Guest

And you were there to VERIFY that accuracy, how wonderful!!!

WARIII
Guest

Where do you get your info from? I get mine from the God that created the earth!

Karen Audrey Todd
Guest
God never said any such thing. Nowhere in the Bible will you find anything to support this, adding up the ages of the patriarchs means nothing. Adam and Eve went “out into the World of men/man”, explain how that is possible Christians who are ignorant of science are just as bad as scientists who are ignorant of God. Read the first chapter of Genesis, there is the Big Bang and Evolution right there. Wake up and stop embarrassing other Christians. The whole of Christianity is contained in the book of John, he was actually there from the beginning to the… Read more »
WARIII
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Well Karen let me address these disagreements You say the Old Testment is”Jewish history and rambling of men using their own authority,. Please explain paul a converted Jew(Rabbi) writing to Timothy(another Jew) in 2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God…” at which time the ONLY scriptures available were the Old Testament. There is NO evoloution in Genesis , God made the earth and everything on it in 7- 24 hour days. And yes adding up the ages of the Patiarchs give you the time from creation to Jesus Christ which was just a little over 2000… Read more »
Ed Zavada
Guest
What about the parts where Paul talks about how he is meeting resistance from apostles he claims are “false”. Nowhere in the Bible does the word “apostles” refer to anyone other than the 12 closest followers of Jesus. Paul persecuted Christians for years after the death of Jesus, and then had a sudden conversion and began to lead the church, against the will of the apostles. His doctrines begin to depart somewhat from the actual teachings of Jesus, and he becomes, in essence, the first Pope. I don’t know if his conversion was genuine or just a trick to take… Read more »
WARIII
Guest

It would be best that you stick to your cartoons and stop trying to rewrite the Bible.

Ed Zavada
Guest

Perhaps if you stopped trying to rewrite historical and scientific fact with Biblical myths your comment would be a little less hypocritical.

Let’s return to the topic at hand though. How do you feel about the kidnapping, rape, torture, enslavement and murder, done by Columbus and his men? Does he deserve a holiday in his honor?

Ed Zavada
Guest
I know it for the same reason you “know” that the earth is only 6000 yeas old. I read it in a book. Of course, mine was a science textbook, and yours was a book by someone basing their information on the Bible. But of course that’s not really what you mean. You are asking about the underlying source of the info. In your case it’s simple: “God said it and had people put it in the Bible”. In the case of science it’s not. Incredible amounts of human work, study and observation over many centuries went into our understanding… Read more »
Ed Zavada
Guest

Really? What did God say to you?

Ed Zavada
Guest

What kind of person reads all about the rape, torture and enslavement of peaceful people without outrage; only to be upset about an “error” in the age of the earth?

Where is your compassion!?!

celtnik
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Peaceful people? Where are the sources from that article you linked too. Are you seriously suggesting that the natives never were at war with each other. The tribe that welcome Columbus also used the Spanish as allies against another indigenous tribe on the Island, as other tribes on the continent used European weapons and alliances to take out other tribes they had been at war with for centuries. So, what is your point here Ed? You have quite a quandry here, is this some kind of guilt for what your Spanish ancestors did? I mean Zavada is Spanish, are you… Read more »
Zoey0728
Guest

He wrote to the king and queen that they didn’t even understand weapons. They didn’t know what a sword was. They were a peaceful people.

Allen Michael
Guest

Sounds like he should do more reading of native people, peaceful my ass. That was the picture painted in your indoctrinated middle schools.

Ed Zavada
Guest
If you read Columbus’s own words, he described them as peaceful. Here’s another letter written by Columbus himself in 1493 to Luis de Santangel: “they are artless and generous with what they have, to such a degree as no one would believe but him who had seen it. Of anything they have, if it be asked for, they never say no, but do rather invite the person to accept it, and show as much lovingness as though they would give their hearts.” Here’s another, with full sources: http://www.understandingprejudice.org/nativeiq/columbus.htm#source3 None of this is anything but historical fact, directly proven by documents… Read more »
celtnik
Guest

Oh, and like I said, you are still living in a society created by the people who settled this country so put your money where your mouth is and give you property a Cherokee family and move to France. It’s so easy to take the position of the Natives – even though really, they came from someplace else and wiped each other out – because you don’t really have to do anything about it. Not that you would if you could.

Zoey0728
Guest

Their land was stolen from them. They were moved to reservations because the US government wanted their land. My husband is Osage. His people were moved.

I don’t know where you’re getting that it was the natives that wiped out themselves. Reminds me of the people who say “we built this country” (meaning whites), when really it was built by slaves and Asians, and anyone else we could force to do the dirty work.

celtnik
Guest
Hey, idiot, if you don’t think the Huron and Mohawk or Cheyenne and Pawnee etc. didn’t fight amongst themselves, then you are in no position to give a history lesson. If that is the case, then why did they have weapons? The fact they they didn’t know what a sword was is completely irrelevant. Like I said, Columbus protected the tribe he encountered from the Taino and Carib Indians who weren’t so peaceful And how did slaves build this country when only 2% of the population were slaves and slave owners. Who built this country after the civil war, and… Read more »
Ed Zavada
Guest

Pay attention please. This is not an argument for reparations.

My sole and only argument in this thread is that Christopher Columbus should not be honored by a holiday in his name; nor should he be taught in schools as a brave explorer who discovered the New World.

celtnik
Guest

No, you pay attention, Ed. He was a brave explorer, go back and read the article as to why he searched for a passage to India in the first place, peaceful trade and commerce. You don’t understand bravery because you’re an armchair quarterback historian. Maybe you can stop whitewashing the fact the the Arawok were being massacred by the Carib and Taino Indians before Columbus showed up and that he protected them. Should we teach that, Ed? Maybe?

Ed Zavada
Guest

That’s complete nonsense. He didn’t protect the Arawak, he and his men kidnapped, raped, tortured, enslaved, and murdered them. Also, the Arawaks weren’t being massacred by the Tainos, because the Tianos are a subgroup of Arawaks, not a separate tribe.

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html

We should teach history as it occurred, not whitewashing any of it. The good and the bad that Columbus did.

Columbus does not deserve a Federal holiday. It’s not about bravery, it’s about moral character.

celtnik
Guest

Sounds Spanish, my apoplogies. However, the rest still true. Those peaceful Indians described were also saved by Columbus’s men from being attacked by other tribes on the island. Whatever cruelty is a result of Spanish interests, they funded the expedition an were working on Queen Isabella’s authority. You could use that word you wanted me to name on yourself since you want to paint all expeditionaries to the world with such a broad brush.

Ed Zavada
Guest

No problem, thanks for the apology.

But you misunderstand. I am not painting all expeditionaries with a broad brush. I am condemning Columbus and saying he was a barbaric leader and should not be honored by a Federal holiday. In fact, if you look at my original post, the comic in question heavily praises Bartolome de las Casas, one of his men who observed the horrors that Columbus and his fellow did to the natives and based on that gave up his property, his slaves, and entered the priesthood. He fought the remainder of his life against that kind of behavior.

Michael
Guest

No one in 1492 believed the world was flat…that is folklore most of us unlearned by 7th grade. Also…*Muslims* are to blame for the Spanish Inquisition????? Catholics ‘convert’ millions at the edge of a blade (exactly what West accuses Muslims of doing), but somehow magically, that is *still*the fault of Islam. Brilliant.

Warrior7Princess
Guest
I respect some Muslims because there are actually some who don’t agree with it, but if they try to separate from it, they will get killed. I respect a lot of Catholics who are pure in heart and willing to be obedient to what is right and to help people. Butin the past history of the heads of the Catholic Church, some power mongers screwed up, twisted, manipulated things, and it was deadly to a lot of people. I see it for what it was. They grabbed the ball, so to speak, and then turned it into a bunch of… Read more »
CheetoBuster
Guest

Why did the Crusades begin? Crusades were a reaction against over 300 years of jihad and persecution of Eastern Christians, during which Muslims destroyed hundreds of churches and converted many others into mosques, including the magnificent Byzantine church Hagia Sophia. What would you have suggested they do then? The same lame response Obama is using today??

Allen Michael
Guest

muslims are Pretty much working on rerun nowadays!

Michael
Guest

“whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, though shalt murder that dude and a few million of his buddies, and then pretty much anyone else who isn’t on the Jesus train. Because, the Muslims.” — Matthew 5:39

badbadlibs
Guest

You don’t mind showing your ignorance, do you?
Have you ever heard of the word, “context”? Look it up, study it’s meaning, then shut up.

cheechakos
Guest

Qur’an:8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.'”

Qur’an:8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

CheetoBuster
Guest

If only your responses made sense. Too bad the Crusades saved you from living a life under Islamo-fascism!

Michael
Guest

Fully expected it to fly over your head, CheetoBuster. Thanks for not disappointing. Have a nice day.

CheetoBuster
Guest

Like I said, too bad the Crusades saved you from living a life under Islamo-fascism…you are truly deserving of living under complete domination because you’re too ignorant to understand reality.

Darwin
Guest

… And the voice of the Accuser gives utterance in this age as well as the last …

Ed Zavada
Guest

Bwahhhaaaahaa!!

Ed Zavada
Guest

If you are unsure of whether Columbus deserves to have a holiday in his honor, this should help you decide:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/five-scary-christopher-columbus-quotes-that-let-you-celebrate-the-holiday-the-right-way/

Darwin
Guest

Right now I live in Spain and am surrounded by history. Thanks for this article. It was bold. We do indeed need a new Hammer who is not afraid to swing it hard whist the naysayers clutch their knitting needles and whine about the unravelling.

Shane
Guest
“Not only to challenge the belief that the world was flat” That’s not politically incorrect, that’s just incorrect. “Another horrific residual effect from the Islamic conquest of over 780 years was the Spanish Inquisition, which had abhorrent effects on the Jewish community, which had fled the Middle East and the Holy Land because of Islamic conquest.” Doesn’t the fact that as soon as the Catholics gained control of Spain, their first instinct was persecute the Jews tell you a little something about why the Jews were living in Islamic Spain in the first place? Muslims did not force Catholics to… Read more »
blackyb
Guest

Awesome history lesson. Thanks.

Zoey0728
Guest

False history lesson.

cheechakos
Guest

Washington Irving distorted history when he claimed people believed the earth was flat in Columbus’s time.
People knew the earth round back in Aristotle’s life time (450 BC?)

Zoey0728
Guest

Would you mind sending a link? I’d like to read about this.

Warrior7Princess
Guest
It makes home schooling worth while when kids can be taught true facts. I used to think everything I was learned in school… was the truth. Now I realize they are hooking people up with some nonsense and people don’t want to turn loose of the nonsense. It is kind of like an experiment that was done with some processionary caterpillars. They have this thing about following each other. So someone put them in a bucket and they just kept following each other til they died. They didn’t want to look at a way to escape or anything. I just… Read more »
irish7_1sg
Guest

Once again, I thank you LTC (RET) West, for your efforts to correct the lies of the Left and expose Islam for the perennial violent and oppressive force that it is.

M Jones
Guest

Between you and D’Souza we are pretty well covered. Thanks for your service.

Earl Lee
Guest

You people support a money stealing conman! Go look at how the money is spent from the the fraudulent GUARDIAN FUND! Once you find out the TRUTH…some of you will see right through this MAN and run for the HILLS!!!

Rena
Guest

Earl you sound like a paranoid ravaged loon… Get some mental help please…

Earl Lee
Guest

Sound like someone that is trying to help you LOONS! Have you even BOTHERED to look up what I claimed or you just didn’t bother??

Rena
Guest

What exactly do you claim is fraudulent… I have not seen it… and just got finished looking…. Early really, you couldn’t discredit him using his military history so now you are trying to with this… get a life man… you are sadly missing one.

Warrior7Princess
Guest

I disagree with him on Columbus Day. But I forgive him for being mixed up on it. I still think you an implant to tear down the opposition of the criminal imposter who calls himself prez.

Ed Zavada
Guest

You’ve had a lot of intelligent and fact filled things to say about Columbus, so I’m curious what you mean when you say Obama is a criminal imposter?

Earl Lee
Guest

he is not “MIXED UP ON IT” its designed to get you loons to DONATE to the fraudulent GUARDIAN FUN or buy a RELIEVED OF COMMAND tee shirt

Guest
Guest

Enhance your mind on this: Maybe they are using the money to try to contribute to worthy causes of saving our country from people who are trying to destroy it. I think West has not had adequate information on Columbus. That is what I meant by mixed up. He may not have had time to consider all the facts. That is okay with me because he has a good strategic mind and if he were president he could help us get everything turned around and in recovery.

badbadlibs
Guest

The ONLY con man we have occupies the White House.
You wouldn’t know the truth if it grew arms and gave you a good slap.

Earl Lee
Guest

The man that occupies the white house isn’t SELLING TEE SHIRT like this clown!!! You can’t see past your HATE to understand that you are BEING USED!!…Continue to donate for BLOG post!! HAHAHAHAHHAHA

badbadlibs
Guest

I feel almost guilty for replying, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
It’s hard to know which part of your post to start with, the entire thing is written like an imbecile.

AmericanDuckie
Guest

^5!

Emily Akin
Guest

Just what I needed to hear today. Thanks.

Zoey0728
Guest

Yeah, it’s nice to hear what you want to hear, isn’t it?

badbadlibs
Guest

Living in the land of liberal lunatic democrats, a city not too far from me has changed “Columbus Day to “Indigenous People’s Day”. The people that wallow on the Seattle City Council should be living in quarters reserved for the incurably insane.

Ed Zavada
Guest
Warrior7Princess
Guest

I explained about this in great detail a couple of comments up. Columbus Day is an ignorant and cruel un American holiday that insults just about everyone.

johnTnash
Guest

One thing is for sure – There is a lot of bad history that has been perpetuated around this holiday, including the idea that a “flat earth” was a widely held belief amongst Christians in 1942 – it was not. (Feel free to look that up.) Yet, to this day kids are taught such in school. Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing it renamed “Explorer’s Day” to properly honor all those who forged a life in this part of the world.

Ed Zavada
Guest

How about Amerigo Vespucci Day so the Italians still have a holiday?

Colin Rafferty
Guest

It’s really disappointing to see such an intelligent person still believing the “flat Earth” canard. All educated people of the time knew the Earth was a sphere about 25000 miles in circumference. Columbus incorrectly thought it was far smaller, and went to his grave believing he had been to the Indies (though everyone else knew better).

Warrior7Princess
Guest
Columbus Day is an insult to all Native Americans and every one else. He did not discover America. Norwegians came here long Columbus. Crazy Horse had light skin. The book of Mormon tells about people who came here. There is supposed to be a place in South America or somewhere….. where Black people were already there before Columbus. Thor Heyerdahl went to a lot of trouble proving that Ra was a name in Egypt and Easter Island and other places along the way to South America. This is sufficient proof that someone could have traveled in a boat like Ra… Read more »
Karen Audrey Todd
Guest

Fishermen from Bristol were spending winters in Newfoundland 3,000 years ago. The Sumerians were visiting the Caribbean almost 6,500 years ago, the list goes on and on…

Pam
Guest
With all the problems that are facing us today everybody is foaming at the mouth over who set foot on this land first! There are a lot of days on the calender for every ethnic group to pick one and honor your pick, simple. Why change it? For Europeans that came here it was Columbus. What is the biggest enemy of some ethnic groups is pride. You cannot live like you did 200 yrs ago and refuse to change and adapt to modern day. What separates you and you think makes you unique is what alienates everyone around you. Even… Read more »
Warrior7Princess
Guest
How interesting that you are thinking of people foaming at the mouth. My comment is pure logic and knowledge about true history versus false history and a lack of ethics. This is very enlightening that you read this + missed the point. Columbus did not discover America. He was an evil man. I offered information that he did not discover America. I offered information that it treated Native Americans like non humans. Now let’s address what you said about “EVERYBODY” is foaming at the mouth. I will file that in the highest category of untrue statements. There is nothing true… Read more »
keyesforpres
Guest

I’m part American Indian and your posts are nonsense.

Pam
Guest
I get it ,you have a personal ax to grind. Simply put Columbus Day means nothing to the everyday people, except maybe a day off. My reading of history is that it is always bloody and greedy and evil on the side of the invading people . That is just history , that is surely not just Columbus that was evil and cruel. I just think that we need to fight the challenges that we face today, not waste our resources and energy over what happened in 1492. My point was all this thread wants to do is to argue… Read more »
Ed Zavada
Guest

Pam, I think you are misunderstanding what she is saying. She’s not trying to draw attention to the natives as victims. She’s saying that we shouldn’t honor a man with a Federal holiday who has kidnapped, raped, enslaved and murdered large numbers of people.

And your “conquerors are gonna conquer” argument is the worst kind of apologist nonsense. Why not just say “rapists are gonna rape”, and “slavers are gonna enslave”… at some point we have to draw the line and recognize that certain behaviors are monstrous and completely unacceptable; no matter who does them or in what time period.

keyesforpres
Guest

If only the Left would speak out on the evils of islam that is happening today.
The Left has conjured up this hate of Columbus because they want us to hate our heritage, hate our country so they can destroy us.

Ed Zavada
Guest

Liberals have been speaking out against the crimes against humanity done in the name if Islam.

I don’t hate Columbus. I think his behavior was deplorable.

We wouldn’t have a state holiday to honor ISIL, why should we have one to honor someone who has done equally horrible things?

keyesforpres
Guest

BULL. Liberals…ie Leftists want Christians dead and gone. That is all that is standing in the was of them destroying all our freedoms. Obama funded ISIS .You do know that? He released the leader of ISIS from Gitmo in 2009. Did you know that? The Left supports the extermination of Christians in the Middle East and worldwide.

Ed Zavada
Guest

My mother and father are both Christians. Many of my dear friends are Christians. I certainly don’t want them dead and gone. I abhor all violence.

Back to the topic at hand, do you think we should have a holiday celebrating Christopher Columbus despite the horrible crimes he committed? If so, why?

keyesforpres
Guest

I don’t believe that Columbus committed the crimes you post from leftwing blogs.

Ed Zavada
Guest
Left wing blogs are not my source. Here’s the eyewitness account by Bartolome de las Casas, written in 1542. He was so shocked by what he saw that he gave up his slaves, estate and other earthly possessions, joined the priesthood and eventually became a bishop: http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/amerbegin/contact/text7/casas_destruction.pdf Or how about these: http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/explorers/christopher-columbus-journal-diary.htm From the journals, here are a few things I noticed: Mon, Nov 12: …” Yesterday a canoe came alongside the ship, with six youths in it. Five came on board, and I ordered them to be detained. They are here now. I afterwards sent to a house on… Read more »
keyesforpres
Guest

In 1542 Columbus was dead.

Ed Zavada
Guest

Yes, de las Casas wrote about Colombus’s legacy, not what Colombus himself specifically did as an eyewitness.

However, I’m pretty sure Colombus wasn’t dead when the journals were written. Do you have any thoughts on those events, which are first hand accounts of his actions?

Pam
Guest
No, what I am saying is, who can you research and point out to me that went into a country and conquered the native people and they were not treated as spoils of the invaders. They all were enslaved,tortured and women raped. I get all the points. I just don’t get the fervor that seemed to erupt after all these years. There are a lot of people that offend me, like the pope, but a lot of people think he is Christ on earth. Well that is their choice. I think that we should be worried about the economy, Ebola,… Read more »
Ed Zavada
Guest
I’m aware of Lincoln’s racism and the prevalence of slave owners among the founding fathers. I can hardly fault Franklin for his disbelieve in Jesus’s divinity since I share it. As for his particular ownership of slaves, by 1770 he had freed all his slaves and become a staunch abolitionist. I agree that all of us have flaws and have make mistakes and wronged others, and to a certain extent I agree that those errors tend to be more egregious when people are given more power. All that said, Columbus stands out for his brutality and callous treatment of the… Read more »
keyesforpres
Guest

President’s Day used to be Washington Day, but it was changed.

Pam
Guest

So why don’t you and the princess of all the tribes get this awful man wiped from the pages of history. Because this is important since all of America stops on this day and worships at the feet of Columbus.
If this was all I had to worry about in todays world I would be sitting in a field of daisys.
Have a successful journey chasing this very important matter. Success is within your grasp! Never give up the fight!

Ed Zavada
Guest

The goal is truth, not to get him “wiped from the pages of history”. That means he should be taught in history as who he was, not presented to schoolchildren as a hero. It also means replacing the Federal holiday in his honor with one honoring someone more worthy.

keyesforpres
Guest

Puleeeze. Our schools are now teaching about islam and saying it is a peaceful religion. Maybe you should be more worried about that. You’ve turned this thread into a bash fest on Columbus, but you are silent on islam….the whole reason Columbus came this way in the first place.

Ed Zavada
Guest

If there comes a time when Islamic fundamentalists pose a serious threat to me or those I care about, then I’ll worry about it.

Currently, they don’t. In this country, it is Christian fundamentalists who try to force their moral beliefs on me.

keyesforpres
Guest

Christians won’t kill you Muslims will.
You never know when one will go jihadi.
Muslims…they’re peaceful….’til they’re not.

Ed Zavada
Guest

You are perfectly free to tremble in fear of muslims if you like.

keyesforpres
Guest

Being informed and speaking out against evil does not mean I am trembling in fear of muslims. It is a healthy fear and concern.
You are a lefty and you side with islam because your end game is to overturn our Constitution.

Ed Zavada
Guest

I don’t have designs on the Constitution nor do I side with Islam.

My endgame is to sail the Caribbean with a lovely lass. There won’t be any religious fanatics on my boat, Muslim or Christian.

keyesforpres
Guest

…and that is precisely the problem….you don’t care.
You don’t speak out for the Rifqa Bary’s of the world. You don’t care because you think it won’t bother you “at this time”.
You do NOT speak out on the evils of islam because it does not bother you “at this time”.
Despicable.

Ed Zavada
Guest
I speak out against numerous things, however including my opposition to violence of all kinds. However, I tend to try to focus people’s attention on things that are being overlooked or ignored; I don’t feel much need to add “me too” when there is already a huge clamor of voices decrying a particular thing. The behavior of ISIL, the beheadings and 9/11 were all widely decried by numerous people of all political stripes. They were even widely condemned by muslims. When you mentioned them before, I said they were deplorable. That doesn’t mean I’m going to live in fear of… Read more »
keyesforpres
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In other words you won’t do a thing to try to stop islam. By the way, they call themselves ISIS, but you called them ISIL. The “L” stands for “Levant” which includes Israel That tells me all I need to know about you.

Ed Zavada
Guest

That’s correct. I won’t make any special effort to single out Islam as bad. I try to confront ignorance and superstition wherever I encounter it. At the moment, that’s coming from you.

keyesforpres
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Thank you. You just proved my point.
You don’t give a [email protected] about the violence perpetrated by muslims, but you are beside yourself that Columbus is celebrated with discovering America because of bs you read on leftwing sites that are trying to destroy our country.
Muslims are in charge of Homeland Security and they have infiltrated our education system. Kids are being taught that Mohammad was peace loving. THAT should worry you since his followers believe it is their duty to kill us.
No Christian will behead you. Muslims do…..it’s what ole Mo preached.

Ed Zavada
Guest

I deplore all violence.

However, I am not afraid of muslims. My odds of being beheaded by muslims are 1 in 150,000,000. More Americans have been married to Newt Gingrich than have been beheaded by muslims.

I have a number of muslim friends and I can assure you that the vast majority of muslims DO NOT believe it is their duty to kill ANYONE, much less me.

However, just two days ago I had a Christian tell me they hoped I would get beheaded.

keyesforpres
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Also, are you aware that rape has skyrocketed in England and the Scandinavian countries? Muslims are doing it. It’s sanctioned in the Koran. Muslim women disappear in Dearborn, MI….it is suspected that their families kill them in (un)honor killings. Did you know your muslim friends think it is ok to kill their child? Mohammad said so. All muslims are taught that Mohammad was the perfect man and that they are to emulate him.

Ed Zavada
Guest

Since you are convinced that muslims are so evil, what do you think should be done about that?

keyesforpres
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Muslim immigration must be ended and they must be repatriated back to their countries of origin.
By the way, AGAIN you refuse to speak out on the evil perpetrated by muslims today. You phrase it, “Since you are convinced that muslims are so evil”. ISIS is islam and they are muslims. …doing exactly what Mohammad did.

keyesforpres
Guest

The muslims are lying to you…it’s called TAQIYYA…deceit in order to advance islam.
It is more than just beheadings to be worried about…it’s the loss of our freedoms. I have been a victim of the litigation jihad for posting the truth about islam.
Start reading BARENAKEDISLAM to get the truth on what is happening.

Pam
Guest

Guess everyone has to have a mission in life. Good luck with that.

Ed Zavada
Guest

It sounds like you disapprove. Do you think Truth is a poor mission in life?

keyesforpres
Guest

You are NOT interested in the truth.

Ed Zavada
Guest

This from the guy who just tried to tell me that liberals want to exterminate Christians. You know that the majority of liberals ARE Christians, don’t you?

keyesforpres
Guest

Not in this day and age.

Ed Zavada
Guest

You don’t know any actual liberals, do you?

keyesforpres
Guest

Oh I do. Their ignorance on current events and history is astounding.

Ed Zavada
Guest

And what religion are all these liberals you know?

Pam
Guest

I am more interested in righting the wrongs that are happening today. I have always known what type of people these explorers were. I am surprised that this is a issue. When we fix now, I will have time to be concerned about dusty old things.

Ed Zavada
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Of course ongoing problems are of greatest concern. That said, the things we celebrate help set the tone for what people think is right and wrong. When we celebrate someone who perpetrated horrible crimes against humanity; especially when those crimes happened as part of the thing we are celebrating him for, we give tacit approval of those crimes. The message we sent, especially to those who want to get their names into the history books, is that the path to fame and fortune is via war, violence, and the ruthless exploitation of others. This directly contributes to the sort of… Read more »
Pam
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You are preaching to the choir. The world you are describing will never be achieved by the human race. Hope you find Utopia.
I have never had such a long conversation about a non issue in my life! You are wasting your time on me, move on!

Ed Zavada
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I’m glad we agree that current issues are more important than things past. However, I don’t share your cynicism about what humanity can accomplish.

I also can’t help but notice that you are spending a lot of time and effort telling me that this topic isn’t worth any time and effort.

Karen Audrey Todd
Guest

Awesome job woman!

Now what do you know about the truth of the Sephardim (I am one) vs the Ashkenazim? What do you know about what 1939-1945 was really all about?

Google “ashkenazi dna test” and “the greatest story never told”..

“History” is one big lie after another…

kathylarose881@gmail.com
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I would like to share an excerpt from a letter I received from Mike Evans, of the Jerusalem Prayer Team, concerning the financial contributions of Jewish businessmen to purchase ships and finance the voyage of Christopher Columbus to discover a new land, America. Also, when the colonials faced defeat in the American Revolution, Jewish people gave $1 million for the troops, contributing to the victory over the British. It’s amazing how history gets distorted over the years. Here’s the excerpt: During one of my first trips to Israel nearly three decades ago, I spent an afternoon with a brilliant Jewish… Read more »
Warrior7Princess
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My aunt has a book by Mike Evans and I am so impressed by him that I bought my copy. I learned a lot about the Mid East countries. He wrote about the development of the caliphate. He predicted the caliphate before it happened. It is good to have someone deliver the information with reliability like he does.

kathylarose881@gmail.com
Guest

I just opened an email from Mike Evans this morning, and he just published a book Christopher Columbus, a Secret Jew that gives a lot more details about his life.

Karen Audrey Todd
Guest

There is are HUGE spiritual, religious, social and genetic differences between the Sephardic Hebrews of Spain, southern France and Italy, and the Talmudic, Zionist, Ashkenazi “Jews” of Eastern Europe.

The former, of which I am one, are actual Jews and are your friends, the latter are imposters and in private consider you “worthless Goyim”.

90% of all modern Jews are Ashkenazim.

Google “ashkenazi dna test”, and discover the truth for yourself

Ed Zavada
Guest

I never thought I’d see an anti-semitic Jew. Guess you can learn something new every day.

Laura Menchaca
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Anyone who takes the time to learn all of Christopher Columbus’s story will be amazed. If you read his journals you will be equally amazed. He wasn’t just some greedy loser who was looking for self glorification. He wasn’t perfect; no he wasn’t but it was his faith in God and his belief in the deity and his knowledge that the earth was round based upon his studies of Scripture that led him to travel into the unknown where very few others were willing to set sail. It has become a popular thing in American culture, because of the trivialization… Read more »
Zoey0728
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His letters to the king and queen told of his desire to use the natives as slaves. The diaries of his men prove that they were given the native women to rape. You’re being naive, at best, and deliberately obtuse at worst. Why don’t you do more than read what HE wrote, and also read what his men wrote so that you can get the entire picture. And by the way, everyone already knew the earth was round at the time — and it wasn’t because of the bible. And as for this comment you made: “Easy for armchair quarterbacks… Read more »
keyesforpres
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Blah, blah, blah. You keep posting the same bs and giving us links to bs sites.

Zoey0728
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His own writings are BS? How is that logical? You just don’t want the truth.

GracieW
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Except that Columbus didn’t write his journals as private diaries. He knew they would be read by those funding his conquests. Do you think he is going to write that he is a greedy blood-thirsty murderer? His men threw INFANTS up into the air and impaled them on their swords.

I am not a progressive. I love America. But I do not honor Columbus.

Ed Zavada
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Did you perchance read Bartolome de las Casas? He was on one of Columbus’s voyages (I think his second) and paints a rather different picture of his actions.

http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/amerbegin/contact/text7/casas_destruction.pdf

Tommy Bailey
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He might have had a forced belief in God, I will give him that but, the thing is this, WHY do we celebrate HIM discovering America??????? He DID not discover America or what is now called America….The man was lost, out of food, fresh water, his crew were dying from exposure, disease, malnutrition and who knows what else. It was indeed a miracle from God Almighty that he made landfall just in time to save some of his crew. BUT the man had NO idea where he was and where he was, WAS NOT AMERICA, North, South or Central America…..Not… Read more »
keyesforpres
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The American Indians didn’t have much of a form of gov’t. Most wondered around and had no permanent dwellings.

Warrior7Princess
Guest

I agree with your last statement because i think it fits you pretty well.

John Deckard
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Christopher Columbus isn’t the saint everybody makes him out to be. He was a horrible horrible man. In his time he committed several of the 7 sins He gave in to Mammon, The demon of greed. one of the 7 deadly sins He gave in to Asmodeus, The demon of lust. Antoher of the 7 deadly sins He gave in to Lucifer, The demon of Pride, another Sin. He gave in to Leviathan, the demon of envy, another of the 7 sins His greed and lust caused him to give into Satan, the demon of Wrath, another of the 7… Read more »
Publius3
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Somebody needs a real history lesson.

Publius3
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There were atrocities perpetuated by the Holy Roman Church and the Catholic Monarchy in Spain. Those were the same people who perpetuated the persecution of the Jews in Spain which also began (on the ninth of AV* on the Hebrew calendar in 1492, (which we know as) the Spanish Inquisition. The government gave the Jews an ultimatum to leave, convert or die. This done in the name of Christ, which in reality bears no resemblance to the Christ of the Bible or true Christianity. The wealth of the departing Jews was taken and financed the voyage of Columbus. It is… Read more »
Ed Zavada
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I certainly don’t condone the persecution of anyone for their religious beliefs. Nor do I condone persecution of people based on someone else’s religious beliefs.

Regardless of the the information you’ve provided, a national holiday honoring Christopher Columbus is not appropriate because of the horrible things he did in his pursuit of gold and personal fame and fortune.

Publius3
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You do have a point, and since the Bible itself condemns slavery (as slavery is though of a la in the US) Exodus 21:16 “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death. “

Publius3
Guest

Your link simply highlighted how the Spanish explorers after Columbus’ discovery dealt with the natives. In fact, disease killed many on both sides more so than war.
The fact that Christopher was the one credited with the discovery that the world was in fact round, and not flat and that he was the one who discovered America – I believe that it is not at all wrong to institute a holiday to commemorate that first voyage.

Ed Zavada
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Columbus specifically kidnapped natives and enslaved them; specifically gave native women to his men to rape, and specifically ordered them killed when they did not cooperate, and specifically planned and did enslave them. That the Spaniards who came after were still crueler, or that disease took a larger toll than direct conflict is beside the point. The man did things that should disqualify ANYONE from being celebrated with a Federal holiday. Columbus was credited with the discovery that the world was round; but only by people who don’t know actual history. The world was known to be round by the… Read more »
Publius3
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First of all, have you read Columbus’ diary? http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/explorers/christopher-columbus-journal-diary.htm
Secondly, if there is something wrong with the pursuit of gold and personal fame and fortune, you’d have to condemn nearly every actor-singer in the world, not to mention every politician and Wall St. Funds Manager. Have you ever bought a lotto ticket?

Ed Zavada
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No, I’ve never bought a lottery ticket. But there is nothing wrong with pursuit of fame and fortune, as long as you aren’t committing all sorts of monstrous crimes in the pursuit of it. From the journals, here are a few things I noticed: Mon, Nov 12: …” Yesterday a canoe came alongside the ship, with six youths in it. Five came on board, and I ordered them to be detained. They are here now. I afterwards sent to a house on the western side of the river, and seized seven women, old and young, and three children. I did… Read more »
Guest
Guest

Do tell…

sandraleesmith46
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I think you have your demons a bit confused here. First off, Satan is Lucifer, since his fall from grace, after seeking to displace God. Second, those are HUMAN weaknesses, which Satan and his minions exploit, to draw people away from following God’s Word and way. To my knowledge, NO ONE ever claimed Columbus was a “saint”, just an explorer and sailor/ navigator.

Ed Zavada
Guest

That’s like arguing that no one ever claimed Hitler was a “saint”, just a bold and visionary leader.

We shouldn’t honor a mass murderer like Columbus with a Federal holiday.

sandraleesmith46
Guest

You want mass murderers to attack to assuage your guilt, choose some who actually were, like Custer, and the guys who led the Sand Creek, and both Wounded Knee massacres. Columbus made errors and people died, but he didn’t set out to kill, as those did! And yes Eric the Red should also be honored, but at the time that holiday was set we didn’t knoe Eric had actually reached the new world, that came to light later.

Ed Zavada
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I don’t have any guilt over this. I wasn’t involved, nor were my ancestors. Columbus didn’t make errors that accidentally caused deaths. He deliberately set out to force the natives to reveal the source of their gold using torture; when they didn’t come up with enough gold he would cut off one of their hands. He enslaved native women and gave them to his men to rape. When the natives couldn’t produce enough gold (there really wasn’t much to be had) he took back as many as he could as slaves, with hundreds dying in the journey. He did this… Read more »
sandraleesmith46
Guest

Odd… you sound like you ‘re suffering liberal white guilt, and like you’re describing some of the Spanish Conquistadors in Central and South America, although a few of the early English colonists also behaved in like manner. However I never heard it attached to Columbus, particularly, since he was seeking a route to India for the spice and silk trade, more than gold.

Zoey0728
Guest

He wrote to the king and queen that the natives would make great slaves. He allowed his men to rape women and kill children. Ed Zavada is right.

sandraleesmith46
Guest

Did he? From Hispanola, after discovering the native peoples there? I suppose it was delivered by carrier seagull?

Zoey0728
Guest

Don’t be obtuse. There are records of the letters, and people have posted links all over these threads. Do some research. They’ve also posted the diary entries of his men who talked about raping the women.

And btw, the letters were written in 1494 — after he returned to Spain.

Ed Zavada
Guest

Would it be liberal white guilt if I protested Hitler being honored with a holiday here?

This has nothing to do with me personally and everything to do with the moral character of our nation and the truth of what we teach our kids.

Since you haven’t heard of this being attached to Columbus, I’d like to assure you I’m not making it up. Here’s some historical perspective:

http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/Uncomfortable-truth-that-Columbus-was-a-mass-killer-and-the-father-of-the-slave-trade.html

keyesforpres
Guest

Start calling out the crap going on in Latin America.

Publius3
Guest

I fully expect the political correct left to demonize him. No surprise.

Ed Zavada
Guest

Bartolome de las Casas was not a member of the “politically correct left”. He was crew on one of Columbus’s voyages. He was so shocked by what he saw that he gave up his earthly possessions, joined the priesthood and eventually became a bishop. In 1542 he wrote an account of what he saw:

http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/amerbegin/contact/text7/casas_destruction.pdf

Heartlander
Guest

Great article! Everyone needs to know the true history of Islamic imperialism.

Just one little error that needs correcting. The last sentence of the sixth paragraph SHOULD read: “And 11 years later in 732 AD at the Battle of Tours it was Charles “The Hammer” Martel who gave the Umayyad caliphate a serious setback in its objective of conquering Europe from the west.”

Brendan
Guest

So we should be thanking Islam for making Columbus discover America?

Ken Brooks
Guest

No for findingva place where it would take them three centuries to find us

Karen Audrey Todd
Guest

Aint’ gonna happen, that…

HannahDittonyou
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My Uncle Lucas recently got a fantastic cream Hyundai Genesis Coupe by working parttime from a laptop. see it here -> INTERNET MONEY EARNING <-

aGrimm
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Everybody knows that it should be called Ugga Day after the not so indigenous Ugga who with his family/friends crossed the Bering Sea ice bridge during the last ice age. Unfortunately it is believed that Ugga was ingloriously trampled by Manfred the wholly mammoth so he never got the credit he deserves – but he did help keep the saber tooth tiger population going for a little longer. However there is dissention amongst the politically correct. PETA is fighting the name change to Ugga Day on the grounds that Ugga’s relatives/friends caused the extinction of wholly mammoths and saber tooth… Read more »
keyesforpres
Guest

I saw something on the History Channel a few years ago that said it appears white Europeans got here FIRST. They have found European artifacts that pre-date the “indigenous” people.

Pam
Guest

Yeah that was my point too. There was people here long before the American Indians. Who all loved each other, no matter what tribe they came from.

pen44
Guest

Exactly, aGrinmm, the “native” Americans were immigrants as well, and were quite destructive to the Western Hemisphere themselves. They were also known for using their captives as slaves. The Cherekees were big slave owners.

ahva
Guest

We owe Charlie TWO Thank yous 🙂 – “Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers – then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.”– Adolf Hitler, August 28, 1942

Karen Audrey Todd
Guest

Well knows their history, how refreshing 🙂

Peanutbred
Guest

Since most folk during Columbus’ time did NOT believe he earth was flat, the rest of your theory rings false.

Ken Brooks
Guest

VERY WELL STATED… THANK YOU for the HISTORY LESSON… I ONLY WISH that that would make it into TODAYS CURRICULLUM. (DOUBTFULL)… TOO BUSY with sex-ed and PC

Dani California
Guest

Well I should hope not, cuz it’s crap. All those Jews that were killed and tortured by the Spanish Reconquista? They didn’t come to Spain fleeing Islam, they came to Spain because of it. The Muslim caliphates of old were much more tolerant than the barbaric christian kingdoms of Medieval Europe at the time, and Muslim Iberia was a safe haven from the heretic barbeque in Europe

keyesforpres
Guest

Ha!Ha! You ARE funny!

Dani California
Guest

lol omg ur so smart

keyesforpres
Guest

Thank you.