Outrageous “coincidence:” Obama sends personal thank you to beheader’s OK City mosque

Ok, the White House sent three envoys to the Michael Brown funeral in Ferguson, Missouri. However, they sent no official delegation to the funeral of former British Prime Minister Lady Margaret Thatcher. Neither did the White House have an official attending the funeral of U.S. Army Major General Harold J. Greene, the most senior American killed in combat since the Vietnam War — another check in the box in Obama dubious achievements.

Of course Attorney General Eric Holder was dispatched by Obama for a personal visit to the parents of Michael Brown and gave the usual race-baiting speech. But, no one went to visit the parents of Brendan Tevlin of New Jersey who was gunned down by Ali Muhammad Brown — who admitted to being on a personal jihad – and Brown is linked to three other murders.

So, is this next item just strange coincidence or once again Obama showing his Islamist sympathies?

As reported by Breitbart, “The White House has reportedly sent a top Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official to the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City (ISGOC) to “present a special thank you to the Muslim congregation,” Oklahoma’s KFOR reports – which just happens to be the mosque of the Oklahoma beheader, Alton Nolen.”

Breitbart says, “the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, was founded by a sibling of a U.S.-designated Hamas terrorist, and in the past has welcomed an Imam who was a close confidant to al-Qaida mastermind Anwar al-Awlaki. David L. Myers, who serves as director of the DHS Center for Faith-based & Neighborhood Partnerships, was tasked with presenting a personal message from President Barack Obama. It read, “Your service is a powerful example of the powerful roots of the Abrahamic faiths and how our communities can come together with shared peace with dignity and a sense of justice.”

Doggone, you just cannot make this stuff up. It cannot just be dumb luck or coincidence. Regardless of being a progressive socialist, the question has to be, why after almost five years, are the jihadist terrorist actions of Nidal Hasan at Ft. Hood Texas still being referred to as “workplace violence?” And could it be that the direction from Obama to Holder is that Nolen’s savagery in Moore, Oklahoma should be classified as “workplace violence” as well?

Here’s just a little background on the ISGOC from Breitbart.

“Two days before proud ISGOC congregation member Alton Nolen (aka Jahkeem Yisrael) ruthlessly beheaded an innocent woman while reportedly shouting Islamic slogans, ISGOC Imam Imad Enchassi made unproven claims about multiple death threats, specifically beheadings, against Muslims and their children in Oklahoma. Suhaib Webb, the former Imam of the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City had been a close confidant of al-Qaida terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki. Breitbart News also discovered that other radical Islamists, such as convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, had attended the same mosque.”

“The ISGOC mosque was founded by Mufid Abdulqader, the half-brother of the chairman of Gaza Strip terror group Hamas. In 2009, the mosque’s founder was sentenced to 20 years in prison. According to the Department of Justice, Abdulqader was “convicted on one count of conspiracy to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization, one count of conspiracy to provide goods, funds, and services to a specially designated terrorist, and one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering.”

“Breitbart News learned that shortly after ISGOC congregation member Alton Nolen executed his jihadi attack, the mosque responded by removing its two most-recent sermons from its website. The first sermon, dated September 19th, revealed the mosque’s close connection with the Muslim Brotherhood-founded Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).”

“Current ISGOC Imam Imad Enchassi has accused America of “creating more terrorists” with its foreign policy. Enchassi, who considers himself a perpetual “3rd generation refugee” of Palestine, although he grew up in Beirut, Lebanon, has wildly accused Israel of “ethnic cleansing” during its recent 50-day war with terror group Hamas.”

This is the same B. Hussein Obama who praised Sheik Bin Bayyah at a UN speech who had previously called for a fatwa against our U.S. troops and the State Department had issued an apology over a supporting twitter post — we assessed that incident here.

We must again ask, who is Barack Hussein Obama? If you recall, his first call as president was to Mahmoud Abbas and his first interview was to Al Arabiya. He requested members of the Muslim Brotherhood sit before him – in the front rows — when he delivered his 2009 speech at Cairo University. We laid out six reasons why Obama is an Islamist sympathizer and it seems he’s intent on adding to that list.

A personal note to the mosque of the person who beheaded an American woman is insane — especially when understanding these disturbing trends. Does anyone do background research for Obama? Or does he just dismiss their warnings and does as he pleases? Imagine if a Republican president sent a congratulatory note to the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka Kansas — yeah, ouch!

Dumb luck or just another revelation of whom Barack Hussein Obama truly is? Methinks the latter.

323 COMMENTS

  1. Dear Jihadi,
    Thank you for providing a much needed distraction from my failed policies, and the many governmental scandals. Together with your support, we can destroy western society, and subdue the infidel.
    In the future, when you are beheading the kafir, try and refrain from screaming “Allahu akbar!” As it attracts unnecessary attention to our duties as Muslims. If at all possible, try to shout “Taxed enough already!” or “Don’t tread on me!” This is the message we are putting out through our friends in the media.
    So, uh… In closing, let me just say that vote for the Democrat Party is a vote for Sharia law, and soon we will enforce social justice in the same spirit of Muhammad when he raided caravans. That, is “hope and change” we can believe in, and “Yes we can!”

    Barack Hussein Obama.

    (P.s. kill whitey.)

  2. I gave Obama the benefit of the doubt about being an Islamic sympathizer for a long time. No more. I have become more and more convinced that he has reverted to the “religion” of his childhood and is, in his heart, a Muslim and an Islamic sympathizer.

    • How do you reconcile that he has killed more islamic miltants than Bush? That doesnt seem to be very sympathetic to Muslims? Also, note this is from the Washington Times–not a liberal rag

      “The Bush administration began using drone strikes in 2004 and had launched a total of 49 by the time Mr. Bush left office in early 2009, according to the New America Foundation,
      a nonprofit think tank in Washington. Of those strikes, 48 were in
      Pakistan and one was in Yemen, and they killed as many as 356 militants.
      Under Mr. Obama, through mid-April, the U.S. has launched another 379 drone strikes — nearly eight times more than the Bush administration. Of those attacks, 72 occurred in Yemen. As many as 2,895 militants have been killed on Mr. Obama’s watch, according to the foundation, including nearly 1,000 in Yemen.”

      Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/24/bush-policies-still-alive-in-obama-white-house/#ixzz3FU09MlAR

      Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/24/bush-policies-still-alive-in-obama-white-house/?page=all

      • 2,895 killed under Obama is merely for show to make the idiots actually think he is defending them against Islam with his right hand while he funds and arms them with his left hand. Get a clue boy.

      • Gotcha. No need to get hostile Santa! Was just thinking if he was such a Muslim fan he seems to show it in a funny way. Especially, since Bush killed so few relatively speaking

  3. “Imagine if a Republican president sent a congratulatory note to the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka Kansas — yeah, ouch!”

    why would a Republican president send them a letter? They are a Democrat organization.

  4. Obama hasn’t visited the family of the beheaded woman in Oklahoma. Obama is an enemy of the country and low information voters are too stupid & consumed with ridiculous stories about Kim Kardashian’s shoes.

  5. Hey don’t forget he also drove 2 illegals to an convention and breaking the law ( 8 USC 1324) So all you supporters of this man I have one question for you “WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING” ?

    • The DON’T think. They FEEEEEL. Because they are mental midgets, they are slaves to their emotions and will gladly swallow the BS if it makes them FEEEEEL good about their narcissistic selves.

      • They don’t think and they don’t FEEEEEL because they have no clue as to what is going on. Really, a lot of total idiots. I had a very intelligent, white high school classmate post a “Hillary for President 2016” on FB. I was totally perplexed and disgusted.

      • Just jumping on the bandwagon to get more likes on their page. They don’t realize the consequences of their votes.

  6. Obama is a muslin taking care of muslims, to expect anything different from him could get us all killed. Keep your eyes and ears open and be prepared to defend your self at any time.

    • Man, no doubt about it. Anyone who hates Barack Obama do so because they are racist scumbags!

      I’m not a big fan of Obama, but I don’t think he’s a Marxist, Communist,
      racist, or anti-American. I don’t know why it matter if he’s Muslim.
      Most people here who aren’t racist, bigoted, extremist, etc.agree with me.

      Obama doesn’t have evil intentions.

      How do you reconcile that he has killed more islamic miltants than Bush? That doesnt seem to be very sympathetic to Muslims?

      Where does he admit to be a Muslim?
      He
      has a good knowledge of Islam… he has Muslims in his family and has
      lived in Muslim countries where they teach Islam, so of course he knows
      the basics. How does that make him a Muslim?
      d
      Why does him saying
      something positive about Islam is anything negative? He is right about
      history. Yes, the world owes Muslims as well. Why is that so wrong to
      give them the same appreciation as is given to Christians?

      Why isn’t Barack Obama impeached for being an enemy of America?
      Because he is not.

      You
      disgsuting racists go as far as to blame Obama for ebola proves how
      sick you truly are! His trying to give healthcare to Americans is the
      most traitorous act ever.

      Ebola has been around since the 70’s.
      But just happens to make it to America under the Obama administration?

      Huh… Why would anyone think this is Obama’s fault?
      You racist scumbags might want to look at this!

      ,
      President Obama’s economic policies are working. How else can you
      explain the strength of the labor market — 248,000 jobs added in
      September or a 5.9 percent national unemployment rate — the lowest
      since July of 2008?

      There is additional good news: The
      Congressional Budget Office reports the deficit is now only 3 percent of
      GDP, down from nearly 10 percent at the end of George Bush’s
      administration — with projections for it to be only 2 percent by 2015
      (before Obama leaves office). America’s ‘debt problem’ seems largely
      solved, and almost all due to growth rather than slash and burn economic
      policies.

      Can ever expect you fac-challenged racists to provide proof of ANYTHING you say.

      I
      know it makes you sick that the black man is fixing the damages the
      war-mongering white president caused, but this is just pathetic.

      President Obama – opposed by Denied Racist and extreme right haters…

      • You are not worth my time to rebuttal your total nonsense. Because you believe any criticism of O is Racist. That is a lie in and of itself and an excuse for people to keep their mouth shut where this man is concerned.

        This worked for years but the lies began to pile-up, the misconduct on the part of this president and the racial preferences began to show. He has divided this country and he has refused to protect the American people or any people. In fact the Racist is in the White House.

        This prejudice and insistence on standing with Islam has brought pain, suffering and destruction all over the world and his interference in the Arab Spring turning it into an Arab Burning Inferno has now been exposed to all our allies and he has no Coalition because he is untrustworthy and indecisive.

        You need to get your head out of O’s backside, cough the chit out of your mouth, look at the facts regarding this man’s record since coming into office. Your a perfect example of the lunacy and the died in the wool blinded and uninformed voter.

  7. A lawyer, an Illegal Alien, a Pathological Liar, a Muslim, a Communist, and a Black Guy walk into a BAR.

    Bartender says: “What’ll it be, Mr. President?”

  8. It simply boggles the mind that most people will never 1)hear this info and 2)believe it or understand it’s implications.

    The President is beyond being an islamist sympathizer. This is outrageous and dangerous behavior and yet it will never be on the TV nightly news.

    Scary times we live in, folks.

  9. || Neither did the White House have an official attending the funeral of U.S. Army Major General Harold J. Greene,||

    You lie! Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel attended.

    http://www.stripes.com/maj-gen-harold-greene-receives-full-burial-honors-at-arlington-1.298353

    See also http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/greene.asp

    Using the death of a REAL American soldier for a political point is disgusting enough, but to lie when doing so? Yea, Allen, tell us again about how disrespectful Obama’s latte salute was.

      • What part of “former” don’t you understand?

        It means they aren’t part of his administration you bootlicking sycophant.

        I would expect the ambassadors of the country to attend in any case.

      • You don’t follow politics very closer, or not for very long, do you. That’s the right protocol for a former leader. You send a living representative from the time the fallen leader held power.

        Geez – did you fail civics in the sixth grade. This is not difficult.

        Anyway – West lied. Twice. He claimed no representation and he was flat out wrong.

      • Former secretaries is really not government officials and an embassy liaison. I hope the US didn’t extend themselves too much. We sent planeloads to honor Mandela, but Thatcher, one of our biggest allies, gets all but ignored. Saying an embassy official attended is embarrassing. No current administration official attended the funeral unless you think an embassy flunky is administration.

      • It’s the standard protocol. As wonderful as Thatcher was, she wasn’t on the same level as Mandela. Anyway – West lied. He said we sent no one. If he wanted to be critical of the composition of the delegation, he could have done that. Instead, he lied. Lying is easier then thinking, especially when people like you will rally to explain away West’s lies.

      • They did not attend as representatives of the US but as personal friends. The US sent one official who is essentially a secretary.

      • Anyone who thinks that Snopes is run by the DNC is suffering from cognitive dissonance.

        I guess you also think Stars and Stripes is a Soros publication?

        You can’t argue against the facts, so you try to slander the source. Been reading “Rules for Radicals” again, have you?

      • No, it has been proven that the radical right can’t stand it when facts expose them to be liars. Snopes goes after both sides and has been determined to be the gold standard of fact checking. Again, you can’t argue with the facts, so you just attack the source. You will always lose the argument when do that.

      • [[ the radical right ]]

        In your syphilitic mind, anyone who wants to take out your terrorist pals is ‘radical’. How long have you been a fan of Sharia law BTW?

  10. Don’t be mad at Obama. Every last one of you on here saw him for what he is. Be mad at your liberal neighbor and all the morons that fall for the feel good agenda. Obama is not ruining this country, the zombie mob like F-tards who live next door are.

    • I am disappointed in the people of our country for being so willingly stupid.

      I could understand the first time he was elected because of the historical nature of his candidacy. But once people saw how worthless he was and then vote for him a second time? That’s just stupidity, plain and simple.

    • Mobocracy is what we have in the U.S. We have people voting who receive govt. hand outs of all sorts, who aren’t citizens, who are itinerantly in prison, sporadically working and occasionally paying taxes. This ranges from people in hard scrabble neighborhoods to Hollywood and Wall Street. We need to change polling system to working class people over the age of 30 and possibly land owners. Only people with skin in the game should vote.

  11. || This is the same B. Hussein Obama who praised Sheik Bin Bayyah at a UN speech who had previously called for a fatwa against our U.S. troops||

    Another flat out lie. The man made no such calls for a fatwa. You’re just making things up. You want a religious war – go fight it overseas. Don’t start trouble here, you anti-American traitor.

  12. I am more upset with the white people that look just like me that call themselves Christians yet support a Muslim. People are so stupid to focus in on the women, black or gay agenda. All three of those groups have it made in this country.

  13. I think that no matter what anyone would have to agree that Obama is sending a soft message to terrorists. No matter what they do they’re rewarded with nuance and not clarity, which they take as a green light to do more.

    • Certainly he has had issues (Syria-mess) but how do you reconcile that he has killed more islamic miltants than Bush? That doesnt seem to be very sympathetic to Muslims as some in this thread have suggested? Also, note
      this is from the Washington Times–not a liberal rag

      “The Bush
      administration began using drone strikes in 2004 and had launched a
      total of 49 by the time Mr. Bush left office in early 2009, according to
      the New America Foundation,
      a nonprofit think tank in Washington. Of those strikes, 48 were in
      Pakistan and one was in Yemen, and they killed as many as 356 militants.
      Under
      Mr. Obama, through mid-April, the U.S. has launched another 379 drone
      strikes — nearly eight times more than the Bush administration. Of those
      attacks, 72 occurred in Yemen. As many as 2,895 militants have been
      killed on Mr. Obama’s watch, according to the foundation, including
      nearly 1,000 in Yemen.”

      Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com

      • There’s no place for “facts” here, Silence. This comments section is for OMG OBAMA IS A GAY MUSLIM ATHEIST [INSERT ADDITIONAL PATHOLOGICAL FEAR-PROJECTIONS] !!!

      • The above only counts drone strikes. So…try not to get too upset. It doesn’t mean all that much because Bush’s war was the ground war, limited drones. Obama’s a drone guy.

      • I got you, but a kill is a kill and so hard to get to the math that he is a muslim sympathiser. Hell bush’s war in iraq has been more of a rally call for the whole Jihad thing, as evidenced by the increase of Al Queda in iraq after we went in.

  14. I think if you have a violent person in your mosque and you do not report them to authorities, then your entire mosque is complicit.

  15. Obama is a worthless pile of crap and I wouldn’t even call 911 to save his life. This worthless human being should be executed like all the other cowardly traitors we have had in this nation.

  16. When are we the people going to say that’s enough and demand his impeachment. i writing my congressman again and demand that very thing again. I am tired of this and will not stand for much longer. My next move is in the courts. God bless American land of the free.

      • agreed Steve, For me, i miss the days of a real GOP. I never left the Party, the Party left me. Out of curiosity–is it weird that a post that i tried to post says it “is being reviewed Allen B West”?

      • holy cow anything i post now says “allen b west” is reviewing! I have been blackballed simply for mentioning facts, wow that aint very AMERICAN ALLEN!

      • They randomly monitor and if you use any key words it will mark for review. No worries. Happens to everyone.

      • I gotta agree with Steve below, the whole going to Iraq with such a loss of life and money based on a “whoops” we were wrong doesnt get to hell of a lot better

      • Really? So now we have ISIS taking over thanks to Obama’s Iraq pullout. And ISIS is not a new kid on the block. Hindsight on Iraq is 20/20. Let’s remember that EVERYONE thought there were WMD in Iraq. Now if you think Obama would have handled a post 911 USA better than GW, I can’t help you.

      • ISIS is a problem because of GWB’s unjust Iraqi war. How can you not comprehend that? Everyone thought they had WMD’s? No, it was a lie you and far too many others fell for.

      • You act like I’m an Obama supporter. Both presidents did nothing but drive this nation into the dirt. WMD’s were only used as a way to rally support for an invasion.

      • There was no exit strategy for the Iraq war. The USA invaded that country under false pretenses, and destroyed their infrastructure. Everything went accordingly as planned.

      • So, brainiac, what was our exit strategy for Germany? Japan, South Korea? Philippines? I am waiting……

      • Hey moron. ISIS has been around for decades and it’s roots are centuries old. Your gutless terrorist loving POS POTUS couldn’t wait to get the hell out of Iraq knowing full well what would happen if we left. You Obama gobblers stupidly think that terrorism started on 911. Wrong idiot. It came to US back then. And like GW said, you can fight them there or fight them here. Terrorists have hated anything and everyone from the west for a looooooong time dumbass. Now you and the rest of the simple-minded Bush bashers can cry about WMD all you want. ISIS and those them have always hated us GW or not. Barack loathes America soooo much that he went on an apology tour in the ME in 2009. NOW the idiot golfer is bombing empty buildings in Syria so he LOOKS like he’s doing something. And you fellating Obamites lap it up. Like it or not, POS POTUS left and ISIS is filling the void. Deal with it.

      • Well guys guess where the bad stuff Syria has came from, OH no could not have come from Iraq could it, just sayin.

      • Yup really, but i actually think you are right to call out that
        hindsight is 20/20. Bush had his CIA Chief say “slamdunk” there were
        WMDs there and frankly, I can see that and can agree to your point.

        BUT, where it falls is the afterwards.
        Anybody
        knows Iraq is a SHiite country and Hussein and his crew were
        Sunni–bear with me before we get into all Muslims are bad. Saddam hated
        Iran and that was a good thing as kept iranian influence over the 3rd
        largest oil reserves. FYI-that is bad bc that oil money can fund more
        terrorism

        WELLLLLL when we went in and toppled Hussein, we didnt
        have a plan post shock and awe…We literally took out the militray
        appartus and Baath party (hussein control admin). That was just dumb, we
        (when we had real leaders in this country) shoudl have done what we did
        in japan and germany where we kept the administration appartus. So that
        was not a good play. I also dont know if you recall but Bush in 2003
        had said mission accomplished and landed on a carrier saying the war was
        over, when our guys were still gettting killed

      • My acquaintances in Iraq say there were. They also say that Isis has control of dangerous matter which I would guess to be plutonium. Don’t believe anything you read. I haven’t heard from Manar recently and I imagine he is dead. The Kurds during our first adventures there actually liked Bush. Now to say they support anyone American is a death sentence. That goes for any Muslim country. Btw they all say Obama is a Muslim. I tend to believe them.

      • I see you miss Quday and Irsay. Did rape rooms get you off freak? You really think Iraqis were better off with Hussein?

        And since this all started with WMD’s, which EVERYONE thought they had, food for thought………

        Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction

        “One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
        –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

        “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
        –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

        “Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
        –Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

        “He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
        –Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

        “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
        Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
        — Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

        “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
        -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

        “Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
        — Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

        “There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
        Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
        — Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

        “We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.”
        — Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

        “We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
        — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

        “Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
        — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

        “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
        — Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

        “The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
        — Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

        “I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
        — Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

        “There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
        — Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

        “He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do”
        — Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

        “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
        — Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

        “We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
        — Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

        “Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…”
        — Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

      • And while you’re at it, you can go over UN RES 1441 and the prior resolutions that led up to the war.

      • Wait the UN? Seriously? I dont know about you but i always thought it to be a feckless, useless organization. Who cares about the UN.

        I am agreeing to your point about Bush goin to iraq is 20/20.

      • Okay. Then what is YOUR point? To show the class how you have the art of Monday morning quarterbacking mastered?

      • Sorry Andy -dont think my post got posted.
        My point is post-toppling Hussein. The prosecution of how to run Iraq was poor. We should have done what we did in Japan and German in post WW II where we took the administartion kept it in tact and cut off the head. Instead, we cut out everything and had a bunch of disgruntled jokers roaming around that became victims of Sectarian violence that was moved forward by the Bush installed Shiite President Malliki

      • Maliki also got in bed with Iran–that is not good–and took out the military officials that we trained and put in his own jokers–who in turn ran from ISIS.

        So my point is that your right hindisght is 20/20, but the post hussein topplng was just not well thought out and created more issues.

      • What we did in post WWII Japan and Germany is KEEP A PRESENCE THERE! So now we are back to square one. Had we kept a presence in Iraq, do we get ISIS doing what they are doing now? I think we both know the answer.

      • Yup, now you and I can agree on something.

        we certainly did have a military presence in japan and germany, but we but we also had retained the governing structure from before including police and even lower level military. The combination of the two were key for stability.

        In this case, we just took out the governing structure and if Maliki would have given our troop immunity we would have stayed. He refused to sign that treaty and Obama took us out–he had to, bc then me and my buddies would end up in jail in front of an iraqi judge.

        We just dont have the kind of leadership/strategic thinking that we saw back then.

      • Please. ISIS wouldn’t have scratched their azz had we kept our military there no matter who was in charge politically.

      • No doubt our military could have handled them its just less of us taking fire. Also, ISIS is made up of the disgruntled Baath party members and unemployed miltary that were thrown out by the US and then became victims of Maliki’s sectarian retribution

        The administration of the country with the military that matters. As it enables stability and actual democracy to be developed.

        We were strapped thin with sh** going on.We acted as police and in some instances judges bc………hte administration structure wasnt there.Dealing with Haji and policing just becomes meatgrinder.

        So all i am saying is the prosecution of post hussein was not well thought out. It may have been more Rusmfeld, but ultimately his boss is repsonsbile

      • Yeah, I gotcha. It’s Bush’s fault that ISIS popped up even though ISIS has been around for decades. It had nothing with Obama calling them ‘jayvee’ or pulling out of Iraq. Is there anything else that isn’t Obama’s fault? Don’t you Obamites ever get tired of defending a rank coward and terrorist lover?

      • -Ok first, I am a Republican and voted for Bush and was a fan but i can still focus on facts that he was wrong (Man, I remember a time when the GOP was made up of people that could have discourse not the traditional path of ignorance that is blatant name call)

        -Served in Iraq, did you? Or were you back here in chat rooms talking tough, getting swooned by Allen’s and his pied piper of rabble rousers?

        -ISIS
        ISIS takes root in Iraq & Syria

        By
        2011, when the U.S. troop withdrawal was complete, AQI was being run by
        Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and had morphed from a largely foreign to a
        largely Iraqi operation. Baghdadi himself, as his name suggests, is
        local. The absence of foreigners made it easier for the Sons of Iraq and
        their kin to ignore previous resentments against the group. There was
        also another rebranding: AQI was now better known as the Islamic State
        of Iraq, or ISI.

      • Another poster who claims to have served.
        I noticed you never did to my point about Bush bashing. Now one more time. If you think ISIS would have popped up as they are now had Obama kept troops in Iraq, you’re ether delusional or an Obamite. Your call.

      • 1) Queda presence in Iraq was increased post US invsation. AQI was the precursor and had offshoots that became ISIS. So though I voted for Bush and still think he did great things, his prosecution of post-Hussein created a climate thatw as conducive to instability.

        2) Totally agree that if we had our troops there and an IRaqi administration that wasnt playing sectarian politics ISIS woudl most likely have been contained to Syria. I know you feel that the political piece is not as important, and I will agree that the US military could have contained them withouth a political culture. I just feel it woudl have been hard and more US lives would be at risk and our presence would have to be there longer in that shithole.

        The problem as i have stated repeatedly is that Maliki (who Bush Installed) would NOT give US troops immunity. So we would have been there without immunity, which would have been horrible US troops.

      • [[ The problem as i have stated repeatedly is that Maliki (who Bush Installed) would NOT give US troops immunity ]]

        Cut the crap already. We were never given permission to bomb Iraq and Afghanistan either. And who gave us permission to start bombing Syria? The Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Untied States is to defend the interests of the American people. Your pathetic POS Obama couldn’t wait to get the hell out of Iraq in order to keep some dumbazz campaign promise. So how did that work out? Your boy punked and blinked and now we’re back in.

      • Ok, man take a deep breath and just have discourse without name-calling.

        1) I will repeat this again. Sound this out with me
        IIIIIIII
        Voooooteed for Bush

        I have been lifelong GOP. I can call out faults in my leadership bc it isnt binary. That is why we have so much trouble within our party

        2) You seem to be well-read. You must know there is a difference between invading a country and stablizing one, right?
        Invade=kill em all and take over the power structure
        Stabilize=you need a police force and development (not a US military mission.

        So of course we didnt ask permission (well we kinda did since you are a fan of the UN–bless your heart) to take out Hussein. BUt if we are going to install a leader that is supposed to stablizer Iraq and then we keeep our troops in a place where they wont provide immunity, we become an invading force to the very regime we installed. That will only create more insurgency, and not to mention US military lives and casualities will increase–love these folks who are all support the troops, but wont think twice about sending them into the meatgrinder without thinking.

        If Bush had put in someone who would have been non sectarian, which i think we got now, then that guy would have signed the treaty and troops could have stayed!

      • Hey screw your deep breath and your tap dance. If you’re stupid enough to blame Bust for ISIS then you deserve every name I call you. Bottom line is the POTUS is the CIC and does not need permission to protect US citizens and/or their interests. Your boy Obama is bombing Syria as we speak. Care to show us the permission slip he was given by Assad? As far as the UN is concerned per GW, he went there to appease people like YOU. And the resolution was filed and adhered to by GW and he attacked accordingly upon refusal by Hussein to comply. In spite of the punk UN not going along with attacking Iraq, GW did so anyway. He put America first. Obama? He hides behind the lack of permission when it suits him then disregards permission also when it suits him. Deal with it.

      • Woah woah, kitten didnt mean to upset you. Did you have a bad day at your yoga class?

        How am i tap dancing? Seriously, think i have been direct on everything, feel to ask

        Not sure how to tell you again, as i dont have puppets, I voted for Bush, (i thought i was clear on that).

        Also,
        i agreed i with you that Bush went in and 20/20 hindsight. Your the one
        that has a thing for the UN and was posting resolutions. I have zippy
        love for the UN.

      • He absolutely shouldnt ask permission to INVADE Syria or Iraq–Again i
        wish i had some puppets to clarify for you there is a difference
        between invading a country and stabilizing country (like what we did in
        Germany and Japan Which was maintained by a US miltary presence BUT also

      • just so you dont forget–I VOTED FOR BUSH, not an obama supporter, but i
        certainly can point out bad decision in either party. Ah to put the
        Grand back in the GOP, those were the days when we had a party and not
        ignorant rabble rousers-I hate to say it but we (republicans) are our
        own worst enemy thanks to guys like you,THAT IS WHY OBAMA WON, cause we couldnt get a real candidate past OUR OWN Primaries—

      • Give it a rest pee ho’. If you want to run interference for the Coward-In-Chief be my guest. Obama left and now we have ISIS. Even and Obamite like you can add 2+2.

      • LOL @ Densmore hanging out here defending Obama. Then he claims that Obama is only Bush version 2.0 which means he equates Bush and Obama. I wonder if he spent the same energy defending Bush against attackers as he does Obama? No, I think he spent that time attacking Bush.

    • I am sorry did someone here behead a woman from work and try to kill another here in the comment section? Someone makes a comment and it is an embarassment to humanity but killing people is just not that bad!

      • Steve ,why do you ask a question and then answer the question ,is it because you think you are smarter than everyone?

      • I was on church board for Catholic church I grew up in. When they refused to take responsibility for pedophile issues I quit and have not been back. So yes I have and will continue to do so. So stuff your didn’t think so statement, show, me any other religion beheading people in the name of their religion. Quit arguing a useless point defending a religion that would have you beheaded for not converting.

      • Please list for the class all of the genocide being conducted by Christians as your Sharia loving scum are doing.

      • There ya go ISIS fellator. You put up ten murders and equate that with what your buddies in ISIS are doing? Wipe the goat goo off your face.

      • Not one of those people were Christians. They happen to be white, but none of them are Christian. They were all politically motivated, or racially motivated. Not one of those examples that had anything to do with the Bible, Christ or Christianity.
        EPIC FAIL

      • It’s not my rules. The Bible set’s the parameters of who is a Christian. Not you.
        Just so you know, personal attacks are the last defense of someone who has no argument to stand on.

      • Hey dumb-azz. From your own article……….

        Christians have also been victims of violence, targeted by Muslims in
        this complex communal conflict that U.N. and humanitarian officials fear
        could implode into genocide.

      • I have the evidence to back up what I am saying. Contextual evidence. All you have is your hatred of Christ and his followers.

      • what did the Crusades have to do with the teachings of Christ? I would argue that almost none of the Crusaders were Christians.

      • You are not a Christian if you are a murderer. Why is that so difficult for you to accept. The bible is very clear about it.
        Lots of people who claim to be Christian are not.

      • lots of people get murdered in the Bible not one person is ever murdered by a Christian anywhere in the Bible. There are a lot of Christians who get murdered. But there is not one example of Christians murdering anyone.
        FAIL

      • Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

        If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

        A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

        Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

        If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

        All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

        If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

        A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

        They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

        If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

        Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

        But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

        If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

        Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

        One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

        Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

        But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

        So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

        For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

        The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

        “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

        There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God.” As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?” “Yes,” she replied, “that was the price.” And Peter said, “How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too.” Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)

        This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

        Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city.” So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: “Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, ‘The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.’ Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders.” So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.

        Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn’t realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.

        Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city.” Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.

        When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)

        “You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'” Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam’s wife, “Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him.” (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)

        (Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” And all the Levites came. He told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

        And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.” [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] “So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster’s Bible)

        While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD’s anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: “Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel.” So Moses ordered Israel’s judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man’s body and into the woman’s stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

        At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, “O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself.” Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, “The LORD is God! The LORD is God!” Then Elijah commanded, “Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don’t let a single one escape!” So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)

        “Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you,” says the LORD. “Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction”. (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

        Then, with Micah’s idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel’s son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)

        Yep, the Bible seems like a fairly peaceful, non-violent book to me.

      • THEir are alot more CHRISTIAN CHURCHES that come out AGSINT CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS than there are MOSQUES coming out.. so your point is invalid….much like your mind…..moron

      • How do you know he doesn’t? And you have a very, very short memory[not surprising]. When ‘Christians’ blow up abortion clinics, or protest military funerals, the true Christians DO IN FACT denounce those acts. Now, I know you don’t remember that because it doesn’t fit your propagandist agenda.

      • Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them.  The two forms are:

         Taqiyya – Saying something that isn’t true.

         Kitman – Lying by omission.  An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills “it shall be as if he had killed all mankind”) while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of “corruption” and “mischief.” 

      • From Islamic Law:

         

        Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 – 8.2) –  “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it.  When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory… it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression…

      • Bukhari (49:857) – “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.”  Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means

      • Bukhari (52:269) – “The Prophet said, ‘War is deceit.'”  The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad’s men after he “guaranteed” them safe passage.

      • Qur’an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

      • True Muslims. What do you presume to know about true Muslims?
        Here is an account of a true Muslim.
        Islam’s prophet Muhammad.

        Muhammad and his band of immigrants arrived in Medina in 622 completely dependent on the hospitality of the three Jewish tribes that lived there alongside the Arabs.  In less than two years, two of the tribes that had welcomed him, the Banu Qaynuqa and the Banu Nadir would be evicted, losing their land and their wealth to the Muslims as soon as their guests gained the power to conquer and confiscate.  Muhammad accomplished this by deftly exploiting his opponents divisions.

        The prophet of Islam chose the order of the doomed tribes carefully.  He knew that the other two tribes would not come to the assistance of the first, for example, since they had been aligned against one another in a recent war.  He also knew that the third would not assist the second – due to a dispute over “blood money.”

        The last tribe to remain was the Banu Qurayza.  Like the others, the Qurayza were a peaceful community of farmers and tradesmen who eventually surrendered to Muhammad without a fight.  Although the prophet of Islam had been wise enough not to order the wholesale slaughter of the first two tribes following their defeat (which certainly would have stiffened the resistance of the Qurayza), there was no practical reason for Muhammad to repress his genocidal urges once the last tribe had surrendered their wealth and power.

        Over 800 surrendered men and boys (and at least one woman) from the Qurayza tribe were beheaded by the prophet of Islam in a bloodbath that is of acute embarrassment to today’s Muslim apologists.  It is an episode that is not only completely at odds with the idea that Islam is a peaceful religion, but also the claim that it is the heir to Christianity, since even that religion’s most dedicated critics could hardly imagine Jesus and his disciples doing such a thing.

        It is only in modern times, as Islam finds itself having to compete with morally mature religions in open debate, that the story of the massacre has become controversial.  Some Muslims deny the episode, largely on the basis of mere inconvenience.  Others are unaware of it altogether.  But, not only is the incident well documented in the Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad), there is even a brief reference to it in the Qur’an (verse 33:26

        Since Islam makes no apologies, particularly for anything that Muhammad personally did, contemporary Muslims generally try to convince themselves that the victims of Qurayza deserved their fate.  They must have turned on the Muslims in battle and inflicted many deaths, forcing Muhammad to yield to the wishes of his people and respond in kind.

        Unfortunately, the accounts of what happened, as related to the early Muslim historians by eyewitnesses, do not support this myth.  In fact, it was the Quran

  17. Of course Obama would think the congregation for chopping off the heads of “the enemy,” the kracka kafir! Ya’ll only THOUGHT this President hated white folks. Now ya know.

    • This POS POTUS cares only about himself and his political survival. Idiots blacks thought he was going to give them anything they wanted. Idiot, white guilting Anglos has to assuage their conscience. If you voted for Obama then you were a dupe who would buy a used car from a junkie.

  18. I cannot believe anything that is published on this website! It would take a day to fact check everything, but from past experience, I know it is fraught with half-truths, innuendos and out right lies. Why not tell the whole truth and let the audience draw their own conclusions!?!

  19. There are no words to describe the insanity that we have been living under the past 6 1/2 years~! NONE! It is unfathomable that this could have ever happened to the USA!

    • And that is why it DID happen. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. The fact that you say it is unfathomable shows how many Americans became complacent.

      • You are so very right! But back in the day we had ‘Faith’ in our ‘leaders’!! We believed in Integrity and Honesty. We believed whoever was running had to be the Best that we had.>>>>>until slick Willy! That is about when I see the downward spiral!

  20. I just love reading the cop-outs slamming what’s going on in the world by calling them “conspiracy”. LOL. It’s not 1970. No such thing anymore!

    • oh yes-and the current prevalence of Anti-Semitism says it’s not the 1940– You must live in Colorado-cuz whatever you are smokin’-it must be good

  21. wow. i am a staunch liberal but i am voting all gop until this obama is out of office. there is no excuse for his behavior. it is blatant that he is an islam sympathizer.

    • I never wanted to identify myself as conservative or liberal, but I feel it is imperative we have a leader that VALUES AMERICAN DEMOCRACY over political correctness or his love of ISLAM. Can any of us imagine if this was Romney and the LDS….Obama has NO respect

    • As a Conservative that knows this country was built upon a ‘Constitutional Republic’ (not a Democracy). And now is becoming more and more corrupt through ALL of Obama’s actions.

      I thank you for someone who’s on the far opposite lines of me politically and socially to finally stand up and say what others don’t believe is true or don’t have the balls to say in general.

      That means a lot. I would like to vote for someone that is Conservative Consitutionalist, Libertarian, possibly Independent, or something else.

      You probably won’t agree or understand what those groups represent?
      But I have a hard time voting for anyone on either party lines.
      I do NOT and never will support the Liberal or Democratic mentality.
      But I also ‘hate’ the lack of standing up or their ground towards Republicans.
      Along with, Republicans in general also supporting ‘entitlement’ program’s and for the simple fact. I feel Left or Right, they tend to be in bed with each other.

      Anyways, thank you for stating what is truth and standing up. 🙂

    • There is a difference between today’s ‘progressives’ and yesterday’s liberals. I used to be a Democrat until I saw the ‘communism’ creep entering the party that has now devoured them! I have voted Republican for the past few elections but am now changing to ‘Independant’ as I see the ‘creep’ has infected the republicans also! There used to be a time when you didn’t worry about who got elected> a Democrat or a Republican.. you knew whoever got voted in was the ‘Best’ America had…..but We are in perilous times…. “Absolute Corruption corrupts absolutely!!”

  22. How can the radical Muslims and Obama think there can be “peace on earth” by forcing their religion on others. Everyone should be able to choose who they follow in faith. There should be no followers of a faith that does not promote peace.

  23. Thank you Mr. West for always telling us the truth. we are not use to that. If you were president, would you still uphold what you are telling us now, and not like obama . You have a good head on those shoulders

    • I read the words “… a good head on your shoulders.” and realize this has new connotations in the context of recent publicized violence of beheadings.

  24. FYI I researched the man the first time I heard his name. I learned in less than one hour things that others are just now beginning to wake up to. Enough said.

  25. I don’t know how to get around the fact that our President is a sympathizer to Islam. And you are right, it is not possible to extract violence and terror from Islam.

    • Evidently there is no one in this entire country that has the power and selflessness to even talk about it let alone do it. We now have a Dictator.

      • that’s because 90% of those running the country are in it for the money. they could care less about any of the people in this country.

      • Im beginning to think that it isn’t just greed and self absorption. While there ARE GOOD people in both parties (yes there ARE A VERY VERY FEW good dems) they are in such a minority as to be rendered almost impotent. I believe that there is also a hidden culture of fear that is now rampant in both houses as well as other Three letter organizations (like IRS FBI CIA NHS DHS and so on) not ALL people working in these orgainizations or our giv are evil, but I think they’ve learned to be afraid. Afraid of what happens to whistle blowers, afraid of what happens to dissenters and those those who say NO to the system now in place, afraid of what COULD happen to those groups of people should something like martial law be established. Something that now, because of too much unconstitutional presidential “pen” interference (NOT just by Obama but past presidents on both sides as well) could EASILY happen. These people are not STUPID no matter what we are wont to accuse them of. They are certainly aware of the mass “cleansings” and “disappearances” and “accidents” and “suicides” that take place when a megalomaniacal despot such as Obama manages to get total power. They ARE NOT stupid enough to think that it COULDNT happen here or how EASILY it can now happen. I simply think that many see this, are pulling in their necks, looking the other way and choosing what they think will be the winning side. I HOPE Im wrong, but history repeats over and over as do the kind of people that play the parts in it. Deniers, cowards, patriots, heros, bullies, cynics, saviors and sociopaths etcetera. There are also always a preponderance of men and women that go the route of least resistance when it comes to personal survival and perceived success.Morality, Sacrifice and altruism is not necessarily in the makeup of such as those. What kind of people do YOU think make up the majority of our government? I mean this as an actual question as I already know what I think.

      • “good dems” is an oxymoron. Anyone who condones the butchering of unborn Americans – isn’t “good”! Anyone who condones same-sex, sodomy-based, counterfeit marriage – isn’t “good”!

  26. For the first time i my life (I’m 55), I really fear for this country. If it goes down it will go down from the inside, especially with so-called leaders like Obama. When a leader trips all over himself from trying to be politically correct instead of truthful, it is quite alarming. I admit I got caught up in the exuberance of “Change” the vague, undefined mantra of the Obama campaign the first time … and I have two Masters degrees, but I didn’t vote for him the second time. And now, I’ve changed parties.

    • So, Dr Zin, I just gotta ask this. With two Masters degrees did you not learn to do any research?? I taught high school science (and recently retired)(Biology, Physical Science, Physics, Anat & Phys) and found that the most important thing I could teach students is to research, research, research….never take it for granted that anything said or printed by anyone in authority (or otherwise) was true. Sad that you’re one of many ‘smart’ citizens who did no research on a candidate with a background full of inconsistencies and helped to put such a Manchurian candidate in office as president in the first place. Just sad. I wouldn’t tell anyone else that you have two masters degrees. Just more of an indictment upon our education system.

      • Tom,

        I am also in DrZin’s boat. Except that i have only one bachelors degree. Don’t be so quick to judge. And, to tell him not to tell people is ridiculous. I want my kids to know the mistakes i made. It should help them not to repeat it. Surely as a teacher you would know that the past is a very good teaching aide.

      • Regrettably, I was caught up in the euphoria. Psychological forces often do overpower intellectual forces. From now on I will at least always follow my pro-life leaning.

    • I’m scared, too. I had to take a hiatus from the media because it was consuming me with fear. There are so many ugly things happening, so much hate!

  27. Dear Jihadi,
    Thank you for providing a much needed distraction from my failed policies, and the many governmental scandals. Together with your support, we can destroy western society, and subdue the infidel.
    In the future, when you are beheading the kafir, try and refrain from screaming “Allahu akbar!” As it attracts unnecessary attention to our duties as Muslims. If at all possible, try to shout “Taxed enough already!” or “Don’t tread on me!” This is the message we are putting out through our friends in the media.
    So, uh… In closing, let me just say that vote for the Democrat Party is a vote for Sharia law, and soon we will enforce social justice in the same spirit of Mohammad when he raided caravans. That, is “hope and change” we can believe in, and “Yes we can!”

    Barack Hussein Obama.

    (P.S. kill whitey.)

  28. it will only thru the grace of the one true God if we make it thru the next 2.25 years of Obama running the country into the ground for an easy take over by the people who want to see us all dead.

    • OMG. You mean the next fifty to a HUNDRED it will take to try and recover from this mess as we collapse financially and socially.

      • There might not be anything left to fix. His entire plan is to demolish the country, then he and his Progressive friends will rebuild it into their idea of utopia – which has been proved impossible, but they actually believe they’re smarter than the last Communists who tried it.

  29. It’s clear our nation has been compromised, our government is under hostile takeover, Cloward/ Piven is in full swing, Americans that once stood together are divided, the takers out number the payers, foreign entities are shredding the constitution with the blessings of the prez. In short time we, as a nation will cease to exist. Get ready patriots.

  30. Didn’t make it past the first paragraph. West couldn’t make it that far without making a significant error – well two of them…and why not just call them what they are? > lies. The White House did send a delegation to the funeral of Margaret Thatcher, albeit a “low-key” delegation criticized by some, but nonetheless sent. And, unless the Secretary of Defense is no longer considered to be an official (just some guy who always seems to slip into the cabinet meetings), then yes the White House did send an official to General Harold J. Greene’s funeral.

    Really, if you can’t make it two sentences without telling a lie, is it worth reading the rest? (Based on the title) I’m surprised West stopped at “Obama sends a thank you card” – I guess he thought “Obama goes to Alton Nolen’s cell to group-pray to Allah” would be too much. I’m sure half the people interested in this stuff would have believed it anyway.

  31. I really despise this president and the entire administration! Remember, the phrase, ” top down, bottom up, inside out”……….this country is being destroyed from within. The worst is yet to come! Hope you know Jesus!!

  32. He has time to create all this mayhem and yet our Marine still rots in a jail in Mexico! He has not reached out to the Mexican president, to the Marine or to his family! This Marine’s mother is still waiting to hear one word from the White House! This administration is an embarrassment to our Country… and had turned America into a sad joke! This travesty needs to end!

    • bHusseinO and his pal Holder love to cry racism, but they are the true racists. Obama is doing everything he can to push the envelope-no one wants to “call it what it is” but it is all pretty clear. If they think ruining this country-having the enemy walk right in and destroy us-with disease, beheadings and terrorism, destroy the economy re nobamacare, have the IRS discriminate and destroy conservatives a la Alinsky so they can have their ‘1 party government’ -is going to “get back at whites”-they are wrong. They want to destroy humanity-the whole world.

  33. I’m just amazed that some people will actually still defend this arrogant,anti-American piece of shit,shame on you MORONS!

      • anti-american is not FAR enough = he HATES america and everybody in it except his small cadre of boot lickers like jarrett and holder. the man is a disgrace as a human, much less president of the united states of america!!! history will record the lie that soros perpetrated on the U.S. and the ramifications will be felt for years. anybody who doesn’t believe that is more than a moron!

      • Sorry to break it to you, but you replied to a post where I clearly identified Allen West as the arrogant POS. Learn to read a little more closely next time so you don’t confuse yourself.

        A twit you are.

      • I think we know who the POS is and it certainly isn’t Col. Allen West. He is a true American.

        On the other hand, all you nasty Libs who support Barry are lower than scum.

  34. There’s a critical difference: members of Westboro Baptist Church didn’t actually kill anyone. Fortunately, they were all talk and no action.

  35. These are things I had not been aware of, and I am sure general public is not either.

    Unfortunately, people are well conditioned to disregard these events as ‘right wing rants’; even if 100% true, they will find the clear evidence to be ‘out of context etc etc’. Politics involves a great deal of misinformation, that isn’t specific to one or another side, but at this moment, Progressives are far better at it.
    But someone must continue putting the truth on display, eventually some of the gullible will cease being gulled.

    Thank you, Mr. West.

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