Atheists run amok: Now challenging a statue at Georgia high school

Last week I wrote about the attack by the Wisconsin atheist group, the Freedom from Religion Foundation, against my alma mater, the University of Tennessee, regarding our Saturday tradition of prayer before home football games.

This group has the nerve to issue a cease and desist order to my school as if anyone cares what they “don’t believe” or want. Of course the mindless lemming progressive socialists who want a secular humanist America made weak attempts to ally themselves with this group. Folks just don’t seem to understand Thomas Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptist Convention about establishment of religion and the separation of a head of state and head of church. The Constitution gives the First Amendment right to the freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof. Seems those simple words — like the right to bear arms shall not be infringed — confuses progressive socialists.

Well, as if these chuckleheads didn’t get the message, they will now. You see a high school in my home state of Georgia houses a special statue which football players touch before every game. What has these folks upset is that the statue — which is magnificent — has biblical scripture.

As reported by Fox News, “A Georgia high school football team’s tradition of touching a stone statue on their way out of the field house is drawing the ire of two groups that are demanding the statue be removed. According to, the granite statue at the center of the controversy at Madison County High School in Danielsville has ignited the furor of atheist and humanist groups who say the monument’s biblical inscriptions violate the Constitution. The Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) and the American Humanist Association (AHA) have written separate letters to the school district, calling the statue “unconstitutional” — saying it violates the separation of church and state.”

So this is what I suggest. Send these people to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, or any Islamic country where there are speakers throughout that broadcast prayers five times a day. Let them live in countries where the Quran is the basis of law.

The statue was privately donated and has sort of a King Arthur-like sword in the stone centerpiece. This donated statue has nothing to do with any state sponsoring religion — man made dogma. What these atheist groups want to do is rip the Judeo-Christian faith heritage from America.

The statue includes the phrase “Home of the Red Raiders” and two quotes from the Bible — Romans 8:31: “If God be for us who can be against us?” and Philippians 4:13: “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.”

These are two of my favorite verses and do nothing but encourage one to be strong knowing that they can achieve all things. There is no message telling these kids to become Christians, but this is indeed a faith-based message to lift these athletes up before they take the field. It is a symbol of inspiration.

As a matter of fact, should we then remove the face of Moses from the House of Representatives as it looks upon the Speakers rostrum?

This is insidious and once again I pray the school district will make a stand and tell these groups to follow ISIS to the gates of the same place about which Vice President Joe Biden spoke. Let’s all flood the website of the Madison County school district in support and lend our hearts and prayers for their perseverance.

Until we begin to push back against this assault on our Judeo-Christian faith heritage these groups will continue their onslaught — and we must expose them. For whatever reason these “outsiders” believe they can intimidate us Southerners who have two prevalent beliefs — God and football (in both high school and college). It’s time we get our collective dander up and fight!

So far these groups FFRF and AHA have protested against football cheerleaders, marching bands, and have gone after Clemson University and the University of Tennessee. “The American Humanist Association is demanding the county “remove the monument immediately” or “remove the religious references.” Until that can happen, the group is suggesting the school cover up the statue, WXIA reported. AHA legal director David Noise says, “It was a colossal lapse of judgment to allow the monument as part of the public school environment. It sends a clear message that the school favors Christianity, despite the fact that it is a public school that must welcome all students.”

Fox reports that “Morris Stevens’ two sons play football for Madison’s Red Raiders team, and he says the young men now routinely touch the statue as they make their way onto the field. “They think it gives them good luck [a special blessing]. I say we live in a free nation and let’s exercise our freedoms and beliefs,” Stevens told WXIA. “I think everybody ought to just leave it alone and let God run this Earth like he does,” Johnny Kinley told”

“Schools Superintendent Allen McCannon said the board and its attorneys are “investigating options available to it regarding the monument including, but not limited to, removal of the monument or modifying the monument in some manner,” according to WXIA.”

Mr. McCannon my admonition to you is find your intestinal fortitude and kindly respond to FFRF and AHA that nothing will change, God bless you, and have a great day. The option is simple, “Be strong and courageous for the Lord thy God shall not leave you nor forsake you” Joshua 1:9. And if FFRF and AHA seeks to bring a lawsuit against you, trust me, they will fail sir — just read Isaiah 54:17.

If atheists don’t want to believe in God, that’s they’re right — but don’t try to infringe upon our faith and freedom of religion and expression. And I don’t like to see our American flag being burned either!


    • That’s actually the farthest from the truth, especially in America. You have no idea how much bullying and harrassment I received growing up because I made the decision to not believe in religion. The same group of people that are supposed to do good things and treat people nicely did the exact opposite. How easy is it to blindly believe in a god just because everyone else does? Yet I’m a coward because I use logical thinking and decided not to blindly follow a religion that didn’t make sense to me when I knew it would cause me grief? Having said that, the problem here isn’t atheists. The problem is intolerance. People can’t agree to disagree. People get so butthurt at the dumbest things. Just because I don’t believe in God doesn’t give me the right to demand a statue be removed. If I don’t like something, you know what I do? I don’t expose myself to it. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand? Tolerance is a two-way street.

      • When you repeat stuff like this: “How easy is it to blindly believe in a god just because everyone else does? Yet I’m a coward because I use logical thinking and decided not to blindly follow a religion that didn’t make sense to me when I knew it would cause me grief”

        That is somewhat an uppity statement, wouldn’t you say? That doesn’t sound like tolerance, it sounds more like you are laughing at anyone who believes in God. Who are you to say someone is following blindly? Who are you to say someone believes just because everyone else does? Who are you to say anything about logical thinking? Are you superior to everyone else? Are you superior to God?

        I could care less if you don’t believe, that is your right, but to put people down because they do believe and being so self absorbed into thinking you are superior to those who believe is not tolerance at all, that’s Cowardice.

        Remember: It’s not the believers that are stopping you from anything, it’s the atheists who are always making issues out of something they don’t believe in….

        If someone who is religious had something negative to say to you for not believing, I’m sure it’s your uppity attitude that got them to defend their position.

      • You want to hear an uppity statement? Tell someone they are going to hell if they don’t accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior.

        I say it every day, and yes, I know it is an uppity statement. I also know that as an American, I have to live with the uppity statements other deliver to me.

        If that’s too much to ask, then you can leave.

      • That is somewhat an uppity statement, wouldn’t you say?

        And that’s how I know you’re an uneducated southerner who’s at least 60 years old. You parroted the Jim Crow code in which everyone – black and white – had an assigned social station from which they dare not move.

        Jim Crow is dead yet you still live according to its rules. Who’s the coward now?

      • Well, your way off dude but being the snot nosed, spoiled rotten, good for nothing, rat who thinks he knows everything you must be a 20 something whose mommy and daddy never said “no” to liberal puke from the north!!

      • Nope, I nailed your geography and demography fairly well. “Rat” puts you closer to 70. Another thing educated people know (we study such stuff) is that slang is generational. Colloquial words and phrases that are familiar to you were brought forward from your youth, hence we know to which generation you belong.

      • Keep trying! Everything you believe is nothing but BS, you already proved that. But now I believe you must be a 30 something, no life, no wife, loner who is more than fugly, still in his mommies basement sitting on the internets all day trying to look cooler than you’ll ever be in real life. Enjoy your fake cyber life, we all know your real life consists of gaming, downloading as much free music as you can get and scratching your ballzz all day while looking up words on dictionary dot com in order to try to sound grown up…..but we know better, don’t we

      • I didn’t say anyone was blindly following. I said *I* wasn’t going to blindly follow, which is basically what I was told to do when I said I didn’t believe it because none of it made sense. “You just have to have faith” they said. And when I couldn’t do that, I was chastised and ridiculed. Do I think I’m better than them? You bet your ass I do. But not because they believe in god and I don’t. It’s because I practice what THEY preach but don’t practice themselves. I don’t discredit them for their beliefs, I discredit them because they’re hypocrites. Like I said, everyone is entitled to believe what they want and it doesn’t concern me any. But don’t judge me for my beliefs. If they are true Christians, they wouldn’t either.

  1. This is an interesting article, and the author brings up some good points. Unfortunately, his attempt to demean and belittle others ruins it. If you can’t state your opinion without resorting to name calling, then how can anyone take you seriously?

  2. that is a straight up Christian quote on there, instead of removing it how about people who arent comfortable with it just dont touch the stone lol

    • Instead of forcing non-Christian children to experience their school authorities supporting Christianity, how about removing it?

      • Read what I wrote. A different type of force. But now that you mention it, don’t you think a non-Christian player might feel pressured to touch the statue if all his teammates, not to mention a large part of the community, are watching? Especially if that player wants to keep his religious views private?

      • Nope, Not at all. Most non-Christians aren’t as uppity and uptight about this stuff as you are. Most don’t get bothered by this type of stuff. It’s people like you who are bothered and need to try and brainwash others into thinking they should be upset about this…You simply need to make an issue out of nothing….period!

      • You may be right…perhaps most non-Christians are able to endure unscathed. But others may not. It is those we look out for. But until you know what it is like to have to be pressured to conform to others’ religion, or have a school you look to for guidance and education make you feel like an outsider, I don’t think you are in a position to talk. I know what it’s like because as an atheist parent with two school-age children, I can empathize.

      • OMG! Now you’re trying to find a victim? LOL….face it, none of these kids care about this. Do you understand where this is? Georgia where belief in God is huge! Get over it and carry on. You still have your right to bash God as much as you want, this statue isn’t taking that from you.

      • Perhaps you can answer that. Folks like those mentioned in the article pursue their nonsense with a religous fervor. They say they have no god, but they’re fanatics about this sort of thing. What the heck are they so upset about?

      • What part of “law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion,” flew over your head?

      • Lemme guess, you never saw the inside of a college classroom amirite? Separation of church and state cuts both ways Roscoe. The state cannot impede the free exercise of religion and religion has no place in the operation or property of government. Freshmen learn that. In high school.

      • Lemme guess, you jump to inane conclusions because somebody doesn’t buy the excrement you’re spooning out, amirite? Separation of church and state is a ruse used by the intolerant bigots to force their agenda (redundant, ain’t I?). Somebody donating an item to a school is not government establishing a religion. Just because those with the agenda have managed to force their views (with a religious fervor) into the courts doesn’t make it so.

        Normal people who understand basic English and don’t have an bigotry to feed know that, instinctively.

      • You don’t have a valid argument. You don’t comprehend the basis of separation of church and state in law. It doesn’t matter if you’re naturally imbecilic or suffer from extreme lack of education. Same outcome regardless. You live in a secular country. It is organized and run according to secular law. Here’s a test so simple that even you can do it: how many of the 10 commandments appear in United States law? Seriously Roscoe, 6th graders nail this one.

  3. these activists are the most selfish people. they claim to be offended by a people that displays/portrays anything religious. what about the religious people that THEY THEMSELVES are offending? im offended that they’re taking away everything religious that I appreciate having in public. why dont they consider MY feelings about this stuff?

    • if someone doesnt like the statue they should just not touch it. i think it would work out for everyone then. i personally don’t believe in the power of christ and i would be lying to everyone if i did touch it, i dont think you guys would want that anyway.

    • Not “offended by… anything religious” and not “everything religious…in public”; only government-endorsed religion. Why do you expect our government to promote your religion, when it is supposed to be representing everybody? Talk about selfish.

      • no one’s asking to promote a religion, and equally atheists dont represent everybody. there are also activists who make a big stink about religious symbols even on private property. a dude has a cross on his ranch, and atheist passersby on public roads take issue with it?? come on man. the respect needs to go both ways. activist atheists make the biggest noise about something they say doesn’t exist.

      • Yes they are. The citizens want to be able to display a religious monument on school property. That is, in effect, asking the school to promote your religion. The sad thing is, the school complied. So the school willingly promoted a religious message to its students.

        I have never heard of anyone making a stink about religious symbols on private property. I need more proof before I’ll believe you. Do you have more specifics on the case?

        “Activist atheists” are making a noise about divisiveness, inequality, and the violation of rights. Those things very much do exist.

      • its a great big country, so you wont always hear of them, nor do they always become a civil ‘case’. rather complaints to local govts. we had a few here in southern/temecula region of california over the past few years, but i dont recall the towns they occurred. in canada

      • It was a single citizen who complained in Canada and they were wrong to do so. You will not find me nor organizations like the FFRF and AHA demanding removal of private displays of religion. If you can find details of an organization doing such a thing, I’d like to know.

  4. I would just ask them to find the law they claim it is in violation, which apparently has the phrase “separation of church and state” in it. I’ll wait….

    • The way America works is that Supreme Court opinions have force of law equal to what’s written in the constitution. Educated people know the constitution was designed as a framework for case law. That’s its secret genius. The founders respected an unknown future. So answer your own question with a little research in relevant SC rulings.

      • It was a fair question … POA’s instinct was right, ask to know upon what grounds relief can be granted. He may not have expressed it that way, but the intent was the same.

        Now it’s been answered for him, so I imagine he will not complain further.

    • Sorry to keep you waiting an hour. Case law: Stone v. Graham; Lee v. York County; and Washegesic v. Bloomingdale Pub. Schools.

    • The Civil Rights Act, for violations of the 1st Amendment, as applied to state and local government via the 14th Amendment and the Incorporation Doctrine.

  5. Until some group steps up and tells these atheists to shut the hell up they will continue to make waves. They are bullies, and the only way to stop a bully is to ball up your first and slam it right into their nose. Then they will find someone else to harass.

    • Yes, when you can’t win using the Constitution, the law and the facts, just resort to violence. You radicals are all alike: what you can’t win at the ballot box you demand at a bayonet. You’re no conservative and you’re no American. Leave!

  6. If you do not believe in Jesus Christ or his teachings, then wouldn’t this be just a rock? How can a rock possibly offend you? How can scripture you do not believe in offend you? Wouldn’t they be just words. So a rock with words written on it offends you? Even better, a rock with words on it that you probably have never gotten close to touching or seeing offends you? You know what, you offend me. I am tired of people feeling they are entitled to everything, and that your belief or lack of, somehow supercedes everyone else’s rights. It’s freedom OF religion, not freedom from religion and I agree with POA, will wait for you to provide that very specific law you claim is being violated.

    • The specific law is the Civil Rights Act, which via the 14th Amendment and the Incorporation Doctrine applies the 1st Amendment to state and local governments.

      The 1st Amendment, in turn, reads “”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

      The SCOTUS has routinely ruled that a violation of the Establishment Clause occurs when a governmental agency or body takes action demonstrating support or favor for one religion, or for endorsing whether God does or does not exist. Bottom line, the government is to remain neutral. When a school puts out a monument that invokes Christian scripture for good luck, there is a strong likelihood the atheist will prevail. They have a strong record of winning, further demonstrating that West is a liar when he says “no one cares” what the atheist want. The courts clearly do.

      • Congress has made no “law respecting an establishment of religion.” OTOH, you favor the “prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Time to lighten up, Tru, and at the same time maybe get an eternal life.

      • A specific question was asked, a specific answer was given. Don’t hate me because I know how to look up and then read the US Code and the supporting case law.

        The question from “Just Me” was, fwiw, the right one to ask. Lawsuits must state a claim upon which relief can be granted. A statute or common law action must be identified. I was just relaying the basis for a suit, if one is filed.

        BTW: me and the baby Jesus are just alright …

  7. Can’t wait for the Islamist get hold of those Atheists… They’ll be begging to God for their lives… Not to mention their heads!

  8. Yo, Allen, maybe it’s time you actually read the Constitution.

    The Constitution does not “give the First Amendment right to the freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof.”

    Here’s what it actually says, chuckle head.

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

    Your contempt of the Constitution and its prohibition on Establishment is so strong that you exhort a government official to ignore that sacred document and instead follow one of your own: the Christian bible. You tell the superintendent to ignore his duties to his country and instead follow your God and tell the non-believers that the Christian faith will not bow to the law.

    And, yet, you still claim you don’t see why the atheist are upset or how this is an Establishment issue … you’re not much for telling the truth nor for deep thinking, are you?

    BTW: There is no such thing as a Judeo Christian faith heritage. You’re just making words up. There such a think as Judeo Christian principles, I can’t keep schooling you on these issues … open a book sometime and actually learn what the words you use mean.

  9. This group has the nerve to issue a cease and desist order…

    God-damned right they do. The separation of church and state is the foundation of American democracy. You live in a secular country. No religious acts, symbols or words will be tolerated in or on facilities or grounds paid for with public money. We have zero tolerance for Christofascism.

    If your heads weren’t so rectally implanted you’d see that allowing one religion to act out in a public space opens the door to all religions, including Muslims, Pagans and Satanists.

    Let me see you Tebow your way out of that one.

    • I odn’t think the atheist care if anyone prays. They seemingly are opposed to state sponsored endorsement of one religion as a violation of the Establishment clause.

      • What these slimeball atheists are doing is ruining a good thing that this football team all enjoys having!! Why can’t you see that? These kids just want to play football and touching this statue hurts you how? You uppity, good for nothing snots that have nothing better in life to do but try and make others just as miserable as you! Sad, get over your state sponsored religious BS already! Think of the kids for once instead of your selfish Bullsheit!

      • Doesn’t hurt me in any way. I’m not offended by it, but I do recognize that it offends the Constitution.

        (Hint: I’m not an atheist.)

      • Offends the constitution, lol….like these slimeballs give a sheit about our constitution! That’s the biggest laugh I heard all day!!!

      • Read their cause of action — it’s based entirely on Constitutional law. Read the decisions supporting their positions, they are based entirely on Constitutional law.

        I think Constitutional law is pretty well in play here. Why don’t you?

      • Yes, all the kids! NOt one kid or their parents are complaining about this. It’s some POS who has nothing to do with it.

      • The FFRF said a Madison county resident filed a complaint with them. So at least one did. There are likely more. Do you really think all non-Christians are fine with their rights being violated by their public school promoting Christianity?

      • Some random resident, LOL! This is what these kids enjoy! It’s tradition for them. How is a non Christians’s rights being violated by kids on a football team touching a statue?? How is this promoting Christianity? Are they forcing anyone to do it?

      • A non-Christian’s right to religious freedom is being violated by a religious monument being installed on school property. Citizens aren’t truly free to practice or not practice religion as they see fit if their government shows favoritism to a specific religion. This is especially true in schools filled with impressionable youth who are greatly influenced by their school authorities. While it might not be an overt force, that influence can still be powerful.

      • The kids and their parents ARE laughing at you, they think your type is insane….and they are right

  10. I’m an Atheist and I don’t see how this rock has anything to do with religion, so I don’t see why these jackasses are getting offended by it. It’s not a cross, it’s not a jesus fish, it’s not any of the symbols of islam, I don’t see a star of david or any other religious symbols. It is just their school spirit. Not all of us atheists are progessive communists like the dumbasses trying to get this symbol removed. These Atheists seem to be the fat neck-bearded trilby fedora-wearing bashing anything that doesn’t support their religon-bashing communist views. People have a right to practice any religion that doesn’t cause harm to anybody.

    I am actually more conservative than most atheists, it is very hard to find another Atheist i get along with because of my conservative views, to name a few, Abortion is murder. We need to send the illegals back to their countries, We need to get rid of the liberal progressive socialists and stop them from brainwashing america. You have the right to be a Christian, it is not a privilege like you say it is you terrorist-funding Benghazi-scandal-avoiding anti-military and extremely disrespectful communist Obama!

      • There are bible verses, so what? they don’t have to read them. My high school had all kinds of Christian stuff in it. It never got any complaints from any of these liberal groups.

      • That’s “PAGAN” not Christian. Christians pray… they don’t rub stones for good luck. By the way, the Sword in the Stone is a Celtic “PAGAN” monument. Again, not Christian. Nice try though.

      • Even if pagan, it’s still the establishment of a religion. This isn’t a war by the atheist against us, the Christians, it’s a war against the gov’t establishing that there is a god and that this form of worship of god is preferred.

    • I’m one, well, I’m mad at the progessive socialist liberals that are destroying this country, I am a rare breed of Atheist.

      • Got an hour?

        I used to think that Political Correctness was the biggest threat we face as a nation:

        It prevents us from providing for own cultural self-preservation. We are so confused by muddle heading left wing PC thinking that we can’t even identify what is our culture, our goals, our interests so that we might defend ourselves and promote our
        identity. We either aren’t allowed any interests or identity (too racist, not PC) or we were never taught them in …

        Our dumbed-down failed educational system, dominated by liberal PC moral relativists, who think everyone else’s rights are more important and inclusion and equality of result are the paramount objectives. This system produces people who can’t make sound choices based on analysis of hard historical and scientific data. Clueless to the history, we skip along blindly adopting the policies of Europe, oblivious to their social problems (e.g. failure of multi-culturalism) and economic
        decline. Scientific inquiry is now a consensus game. If enough liberal enviro-religionists say that enough scientists agree with them then it passes muster as scientific fact giving them cause to exert further control over the productive forces.

        Our shops and government agencies, etc. are becoming bilingual because it’s not PC to discriminate against people who don’t care to learn our language. It’s one of the most divisive trends in any nation, yet those who decry it are labeled
        divisive. And nobody laughs. The value of the melting pot in bringing together cultures is lost. So we will become Balkan-ized, Quebec-ized in the name of inclusion. People who protest pressing 1 for English get the blank stare.

        It keeps us from providing for our own defense. We can’t even get out of our own way when under direct attack because profiling is not PC and identifying the enemy by name is
        “Islamaphobic” a made up nonsense word pushed on us by CAIR and their ilk who manipulate our systems to infiltrate from within:
        House FBI CAIR

        Their useful idiots on the left are so deluded by ideals of tolerance that they advocate tolerance of the most intolerant extremists (Islamists), mouth-agape to the ridiculous
        conflictedness of their position.
        Our sovereignty is lost. We can’t defend our own borders or remove illegals because it wouldn’t be PC to target a single group. We might need more entrepreneurs and engineers
        from Asia but no, our immigration policy is dictated by criminals who broke the law to be here, climbing our fence under cover of darkness. We can’t look at crime statistics to set immigration policies (not PC). Foreigners march on the
        streets of Santa Rosa where I live, carrying foreign flags in an act of war but it wouldn’t be PC to push that point. The muddle heads can’t distinguish between our roots as a melting pot of immigrants and an invasion of our borders by a rapidly reproducing population proudly proclaiming their pending majority.

        So I ask them: make me proud too – tell me about all the Hispanic Nobel Prize winners and the Hispanic countries with world-leading economies and educational systems. You know, so I can share the joy and be optimistic too.

        Side Note: In Mexico it’s a felony to cross the border or be in the country illegally: “Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence has upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” if they are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” if they are not good citizens in their own country, if they have broken Mexican laws, or if
        “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)

        If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for being in the country illegally…you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots. Welcome to the USA, where people who advocate a balanced budget and a return to our constitution are labeled extremists. And nobody laughs.

        Then I did some more research and found out it’s really the university system that creates the mindless foot soldiers (Sayet) of this ideology:

        Ever wonder how we sank from the Greatest Generation to
        our current dismal condition?

        It started in the universities in the Viet Nam and Nixon
        era. We had been enjoying the peace and prosperity of post-WWII era, figuring we had defeated Fascism and later Socialism. We didn’t, they just went to school. The people you saw fornicating in the mud at Woodstock went to the
        academy to avoid the draft. They took hold of the institutions of “higher” learning and created a generation of politically correct automatons that are now in positions of authority. They are trained that subjectivity is wrong and hence are devoid of critical thinking. They are ingrained in the false notion that criticism is bad, that criticism of ideas is the same as criticism of the individual. They are also steeped in identity politics – the melting pot replaced by focus on “me” as a member of a group – Black, Hispanic, Gay/Lesbian, Native, whatever. The tonic of tolerance and multiculturalism and multilingualism and other divisive currents have run amuck including the abject weirdness that is tolerance of the intolerant, known as
        Islamophobia. Tolerance for everyone and everything, except the freedom to express a critical thought. Press 1 for English.

        So here we are, a nation founded by geniuses run by idiots, voted for by idiots who were trained to be idiots by these
        universities. A nation that can’t defend its own interests, its own borders not to mention its own transportation systems because we are brainwashed in the mindlessness of political correctness.

        That’s the short version.

        Further Reading:

        The Victims Revolution, Bawer
        The Closing of the American Mind, Bloom
        The Truth about Tolerance, Stetson and Conti
        The Kindergarden of Eden, Sayet

        Or see my blog.

      • You can disregard as my comments are intended for people who can read and write more than 1 sentence at a time.

      • sorry honey, but this is the world we all live in now. You can deal with it or not. There are places for people like you, but that will only make you more paranoid and unhappy. Or you can join the rest of America who see the benefits of accepting people the way they are. To process is to move forward, not cry like a b*tch bec you can’t have your way anymore.

      • To what? A bunch of angry people who want to keep it one way , one people, one religion, one thought? That’s called Iran. Look how will that is turning out.

      • The Atheist is also a type of religion. They also try to force that view down the faithfuls throat.
        When I was in school in NJ in the 60-70’s there was every religion covered in school. We lived in a true melting pot that was America. Arab, Indian, Jew where all accepted and their beliefs where respected. No one was forced to pray and indeed was it even expected. But if some one wished to we let them, we did not stop them.
        So I say to you Philopussy the world you are trying to FORCE upon people is it any better? Nobody is trying to make anyone anything in our America other then the Atheists…….

      • Atheism is not a religion and I ‘m glad you grew up in a multicultural environment . Unfortunately not all of American is like that and is run by a bunch of intolerant Christians .
        You look at it as forcing their views , but don’t see Christians have forced their views first. Time to share. People can practice your faith at home and church like everyone else. Public places like work and gov buildings are equal. If a store wants to say , HAPPY HOLIDAYS, It’s a business decision. Take it up with them.

      • yes atheism is as much a religion as any other. you would force people to abide by your beliefs. Faith is not something you “PRACTICE” it is something you live. At home at work and at school.

        Your quote about the intolerant Christians is BS. Nobody cares if you do not want to pray. Nobody will force you to do so. But you feel it is your duty to force your views on the rest of America.

        You can say what ever you want thats your right. But it is also my right to say what I want where I want to to whom I care to. And if you want to throw me in jail for that good for you. A gift is a gift and that is what that statue was. the school did not buy it it was given to them.

      • If I don’t want to prey, why do it have to listen to you do it? Waste my time listening to you? Can I have time to pray? Are you going to stop and listen to me? Also, the next child’s prayer, the next child’s prayer. We can spend all day praying.

      • You have that typical “Me Me Me” mindset that is one of the major reasons that America is in the quagmire we are. Your comment stretches the act of praying to such silly lengths. There are people in this world that BELIEVE that with out prayer there is sin. There are those that think that they are foolish. They have coexisted for some thousands of years. Here in America we have coexisted better than most country s because of this tolerance. The atheist now wants to remove this tolerance and choice because THEY do not want it. You can’t see the irony in that?

      • Christians are the me me me types. Non Christians were forced to pray or ridiculed for not praying. Now when people refuse to go with Christians
        and stand up for their religious rights, Christians cry discrimination . Pray at home and church people. Or do you want school to last 10 hours so everybody gets to pray?

      • No, it’s the Christain right that is has the ME ME ME mindset. Keep your prayer in your home and church. How is that hurting you? If this was supposed to be a Christain nation, then it should have been written down as such.

      • Why is the basic message so hard to get across?
        Why do people insist on instilling into the atheist message all their own bogus notions about who we are and what we want?.

        The goal of the free thinkers (atheists/agnostics…) is to:

        -Keep religion out of our government and it’s institutions
        -Keep our government institutions and tax dollars from supporting any sectarian body

        We encourage people to exercise their free speech and freedom of religion outside of the public sphere.

        I suggest you start by posting a picture of Mohamed on your Facebook page.

      • why is this basic message so hard to get across?
        Freedom of religion is not freedom FROM religion. As long as it is not REQUIRED

      • Maybe if I keep pasting it it will sink in. No one wants to take way your rights.

        The goal of the free thinkers (atheists/agnostics…) is to:

        -Keep religion out of our government and it’s institutions
        -Keep our government institutions and tax dollars from supporting any sectarian body

        We encourage people to exercise their free speech and freedom of religion outside of the public sphere.

      • The “offending” object was donated by a public figure. It cost the Gubbermint nothing.

        Church s are granted tax free status.

        Freedom means the free exercise of. Why should I be forced to abide by YOUR religion? The one that limits my FREEDOM and enhances your wishes?

        If I can ignore you why can you not ignore me? You do not offend me, I am sorry I offend you. Get over it.

      • Didn’t Philanthropussy reply to you on this argument? I think she did good job of trying to address your twisted logic.

      • It is I who see logic twisted Jimmy. The removal of an object because it offends you? Why would you be offended by something that to you has no meaning? I mean other then to those that believe?

        Removal of ideas from the public sector………sounds al ot like other places to me…..places that did not turn out well.

      • It’s not about me or what offends me it’s about what is constitutional. It’s about government promoting a religion.

        This is re-hashing. This has been addressed already in many places. If we don’t read what has already been said we keep saying the same stuff and don’t make any progress.

        Look at the responses to govissue
        Go here and read response to tomelora

      • Those remarks are offensive and judgmental. You should be more tolerant of other people’s opinions and respect the diversity of my position. Oh wait I’m a white male, forgot.

        So liberalism has turned the country inside out against the ideals that made us a great nation and your point is to go with it and accept the people who are causing it and that I am paranoid and etc.?

        Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks, I will vote in November for starters.

        For someone who knows how to build a wall.

        Maybe some of the people who are here illegally should devote their considerable talent and energy into fixing up their own countries and governments.

      • Take a look at this for an appetizer:

        3 black thugs yell “Hey white Boy” and cut up this guy’s face while trying to kill him.

        Does the mainstream media cover it? No, doesn’t fit the narrative of their programming.

        Would it get national attention if the races were reversed? Damn straight.

        Is Al Sharpbufoon there? No

        Were they charged with a hate crime, no?

        There are 3 or 4 similar attacks described on that page.

        I think this is wrong. Does that mean I am playing the victim card? No. I’m sick of everyone else playing it and I’m sick of identity politics, period. The libs created this type of politics because they thrive on divisiveness and creating oppressed groups that they can exploit to stay in power.

      • Conservative free-thinkers – I know there are a lot of us and its time we came out of the woodwork and get some representation. The current configuration of libs and conservatives is obviously not working on many levels.

    • That is an utter fallacy that atheists are mad at the world (or the more common, mad at God). We are not mad. Quite the contrary – many are quite happy.

  11. These dumb atheists need to get it into their thick heads that this is a Christian country and not an atheist country. If they want an atheist country then they need to go somewhere else that will have them because we do not want them.

    • “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

      This stopped being a Christian nation as soon as we declared independence from Britain. You can kindly take your theocracy and shove it

      • The Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution go hand and hand, and the Declaration mentions God four times, do you remember the part in the Declaration were “that all men are created equal, that they endowed by their Creator with CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS”, the Constitution is what they were referring to. Also, it doesn’t have to be a Theocracy to be a Christian Nation. The framers of the Constitution were God-fearing men making a sincere attempt to establish a new nation on biblical principles, including equity, justice, and liberty. One of the liberties they recognized as “inalienable and sacred” was the freedom of religion.

      • If they were trying to form a nation based on biblical principles then they would have adopted the 10 commandments. They didn’t. Indeed, they specifically reject “thy shall have no other god,” and “thy shall have no false idols.” The rejection of those two are the real basis for America’s religious freedom.

      • I’m well aware of the time gap between the two, In case you forgot a war happened in the time between, what sense would it make to put in place laws that were going to be removed asap if they had lost the war, they had to preserve the freedom of a nation, before they put in place the laws of that nation. what are you talking about there’s references of the Ten Commandments all over the U.S. Supreme Court, (there’s even a plaque of the Ten Commandments on the doors of the U.S. Supreme Court), there’s references to God and the Bible on the U.S. Federal Buildings and Landmarks, every single one of state constitutions mentions God, every single one of the U.S. Presidents where Christian, acknowledged that the U.S. was a Christian Nation and swore the oath on the Bible (with the exception of Theodore Roosevelt), and the U.S. Supreme Court in 1892 after researching this matter for ten years they came to the conclusion that America was in fact a Christian Nation.

        Also, one last thing concerning the Ten Commandments and the Constitution,

        The rule of law laid out in the Constitution descends from the Ten Commandments. As they suffered at the hands of corrupt human authorities, the Constitutional delegates were aware of the flawed nature of human beings as shown in Genesis 3 and Jeremiah 17:9. Thus, they designed a system of checks and balances and separation of powers to prevent one individual or group from abusing the citizens through self-serving power ploys.

        The three branches of government are reminiscent of the roles of God as described in Isaiah 33:22. The exception for Sundays in the time limit for the president to sign a bill into law in Article VII, Section 2 hints at the assumption that Sunday was a day of rest as set forth in Exodus 20.

        Exodus 18 reveals that before Israel demanded that God give them a king, the Hebrews had a representative form of republican government, not unlike the system created in the Constitution.

        Both Leviticus 19:34 and Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution require uniform treatment of immigrants. Deuteronomy 17:15 warns the Hebrews not to let a foreigner rule over them just as the Constitution requires the president to be a natural born citizen of the U.S.

        The requirement in Article III Section 3 to establish guilt in cases of treason by the testimony of at least two witnesses recalls the biblical instruction in Deuteronomy 17:6 to have the testimony of two or three witnesses before putting a man to death.

      • Honor no other God. Worship no false idol.

        Those are two major tenants of the Christian faith and both were rejected by the founding fathers. You lose. Period.

        You can not be a Christian Nation if you permit the worship on a non-Christian god and you allow the worshiping of false idols.


        Lots of people have tried to reverse-engineer Christianity into the works of the FF, and there is a fit to a certain degree, but that fit also works with Buddhism, Islam and Scientology. Why? Because the Bible is full of really good ideas, just as many other religions are as well.

        The U.S. Constitution is a wholly secular document. It contains no mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment, which bars laws “respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” and in Article VI, which prohibits “religious tests” for public office. Again, both of these provisions are evidence that the country was not founded as officially Christian.

        President George Washington, in a famous 1790 letter to a Jewish congregation in Newport, R.I., celebrated the fact that Jews had full freedom of worship in America. Noted Washington, “All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.”

        Washington’s administration even negotiated a treaty with the Muslim rulers of north Africa that stated explicitly that the United States was not founded on Christianity. The pact, known as the Treaty with Tripoli, was approved unanimously by the Senate in 1797, under the administration of John Adams. Article 11 of the treaty states, “[T]he government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion….”

        If you’re going to reference the Holy Trinity decision, at least do so with intellectual honesty. Trinity is a legal anomaly. It has rarely been cited by other courts, and the “Christian nation” declaration appeared in dicta a legal term meaning writing that reflects a judge’s personal opinion, not a mandate of the law. Also, it is unclear exactly what Brewer meant. NB: In a book he wrote in 1905, Brewer pointed out that the United States is Christian in a cultural sense, not a legal one.

        A more accurate judicial view of the relationship between religion and government is described by Justice John Paul Stevens in his 1985 Wallace v. Jaffree ruling. Commenting on the constitutional right of all Americans to choose their own religious belief, Stevens wrote, “At one time it was thought that this right merely proscribed the preference of one Christian sect over another, but would not require equal respect for the conscience of the infidel, the atheist, or the adherent of a non-Christian faith such as Mohammedism or Judaism. But when the underlying principle has been examined in the crucible of litigation, the Court has unambiguously concluded that the individual freedom of conscience protected by the First Amendment embraces the right to select any religious faith or none at all.”

        Through the years, many radical groups have sought to add Christianity to the Constitution – each has failed miserably. The United States, in short, was not founded to be an officially Christian nation or to espouse any official religion. Our government is neutral on religious matters, leaving such decisions to individuals. This democratic and pluralistic system has allowed a broad array of religious groups to grow and flourish and guarantees every individual American the right to determine his or her own spiritual path or to reject religion entirely. As a result of this policy, Americans enjoy more religious freedom than any people in world history. We should be proud of this accomplishment and work to preserve the constitutional principle that made it possible separation of church and state.

      • True Conserv. . .apparently ur not a Christian. If you were, u would not be making the mistake of using the 10 Commandments as an edict to actually follow. Read the new Testament more and learn that the 10 Commandment were not there with the expectation of men to follow (which is impossible) but to show men that they are in need of a Savior because of the impossibility on following them. Our founding fathers perhaps knew this, but apparently you missed this point. Nice try though.

      • That’s not what I learned in 12 years of Catholic School – but to each their own. That’s the wonderful thing about being an American.

      • It was a nation built by Christian men based in part on Biblical principals, yes, but this is NOT a Christian nation. The goverment has many important roles, like building public infrastructure, providing for our national security, and paying for our schools. Exercising support of any religion is not one of those jobs . This is a country with many people of many faiths all paying into the big government pot that makes this country tick, and for the goverment to turn around and declare one of these groups to be any more important than the others is a disgrace to all non-Christian Americans. America is made of many people of many religions and the goverment protects us and lets all live in harmony, not take sides in the argument.

      • Nice move DANI. . .Your first sentence just proved you wrong. You contradict yourself. Every hear of “Deductive Logic?” Look it up. then go for “Inductive Logic.” You’d be surprised what a little education can do for a weak mind.

      • Perhaps if you were to demonstrate the vastness of your own logic and education, rather that exhorting others to get some, it would be more constructive?

        Do you think it’s possible that men of one persuasion could create something that wasn’t strictly of the same persuasion?

      • Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

        -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
        biblical ideas indeed

      • Another scholar who doesn’t know the difference. You quoted the First Amendment, not the Declaration.

      • Yes I did you are correct. So I guess if you want to be technical this country officially stopped being religiously affiliated 15 years after we declared independence, but you get the point

      • The Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution go hand and hand, and the Declaration mentions God four times, do you remember the part in the Declaration were “that all men are created equal, that they endowed by their Creator with CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS”, the Constitution is what they were referring to.

      • The Declaration of Independence was written in 1776. The Constitution in 1787. See the folly? Further, the question was where does it say the US is a Christian nation?

      • “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

        [Adams submitted and signed the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797]”

        ― John Adams, Thoughts On Government

      • The Declaration of Independence does not mention “God” four times – only once, and then, in the term “Nature’s God.” It mentions “Creator” once. Both terms are used to say that we have rights given to us not by man. Nowhere in either document is Christ or Christian (or similar terms) used. Otherwise, we can just as easily deduce that we are a Jewish or a Muslim nation (all three religions follow the same god).

      • Please do not confuse the Judeo-Christian God with Allah. The three religions are all monotheistic, but they differ dramatically in their moral codes and requirements. Almost immediately after Mohammad’s conquests the alarmed Christians went on attack mode with the Crusades, as they knew the two systems were incompatible. Nothing has changed.

      • Yes, Christianity and Islam are both based on the Jewish historical texts. Each took the Jewish history, added their own layer to it and then decided the Jews had their own history wrong.

        The Muslims initially wanted their version to be sympatico with Judaism and tried to sell that approach to the Jews. The Jews flatly rejected it. That’s the root cause of conflict between Jews and Muslims – Muhammad was dissed by the Jews of Medina who rejected his cool new religion.

        What a kick in the ass! Such are the beginnings of the major religions, so yes, let’s let them all go.

        PS: Where is the outrage from the Jews? Why are they not part of the conversation?

      • You are confused: Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worship the same god. “Allah” means “the god” in Arabic. They are all descendants of Abraham (which is why they are all called the “Abrahamic religions”). Their teachings have some differences, but many more similarities. Islam recognizes Jesus, whereas Judaism does not.

      • Wrong. The Declaration is basically a letter of intent, not a Governing Document. It doesn’t not define, nor rule. The Constitution, however, is a government ruling document. they are nothing like each other and written years apart.

      • I know it’s hard for all the Liberal, slow thinking, left wing atheist to understand anything that is not clearly spelled out in concrete language. It’s like talking to a first grader, but I’ll give it a try. When we say that the country is a “Christian Country” we are basing our comment on the hundreds of interconnecting pieces of evidence and examples that lead us to this conclusion. During your research, please list any reference that you come across that leads you to believe that our birth was influenced by the Buddhist the Muslims, the Hindus, Atheist, or any other religion except CHRISTIAN. I don’t have the time nor the inclination to list all of them, so I’m giving you some homework: Go read any of the hundreds, if not thousands, of documents that were written during the initial development of this country and you will find umpteen direct and indirect references to our Christian God. BTW. . .God bless your search and today might be the day of your “political enlightenment.” Feedback and dumb comments are always welcome.

      • Do you mean that our country was founded by men who were mostly Christians, or that we were founded as a country run by Christian tenets, because if the Founding Fathers chose the latter, they could have included language to that extent in the Constitution, but they curiously didn’t. Their silence in that regard was deafening. The only commentary in the Constitution said, in essence, hands off religion. There is much external evidence that some of the Founding Fathers wanted to keep government and religion separate.

        The Constitution is the agreed upon foundational document: other writings reflect the opinions of that writer- not necessarily the majority of the founders.

        That our country was founded by mostly Christians is not disputed. But, since it was founded only by white men, are white men supposed to have supreme rights? No more so than Christians are to have supreme rights. Your logic here fails.
        By the way, your immature insults speak volumes about you. Stick to the issues.

      • “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
        [Adams submitted and signed the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797]”
        ― John Adams, Thoughts On Government Applicable To The Present State Of The American Colonies.: Philadelphia, Printed By John Dunlap, M,Dcc,Lxxxvi

        I don’t know who is telling you that tripe, but you should go and punch him in the throat. There is absolutely, nothing, Christian in the Constitution .. and while you are searching around trying to debuke that look up the Blaine Amendment, and you’ll find Christianities one and only contribution to the laws of our country.

      • Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

        -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

        It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.

        -Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825

        The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

        -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

      • btw you are the only slowing thinking one here,I know its hard for teabaggers to understand anything that is not clearly spelled out in concrete language. It’s like talking to a first grader, but I’ll give it a try the first amendent itself contradicts the 1st commandment of your god. Also Dave Barton is not a good source for history

      • the type history you are epousing is no different then any pesudo-historical nonsense barton spits out

      • Typical. Massive yacking — zero reference. “Who” calls this a Christian Country?.. other than .. Christians? Christians were in fact a minority in 1786. None of the men who wrote the Constitution agree with you. I’ve posted plenty of quotes and references for that. .. so you either don’t have a clue about what you are talking about, or you are lying.. both are strong Christian dogmatic traits which I can point to in the words of Madison, Jefferson and Franklin as the same traits were often exhibited in their time as well.

      • SYG: It seems you are unable or unwilling to answer a simple question: is your premise that our “country” was founded by Christian men, or that our “country” was founded under Christian principles? An obvious follow up question is do you mean “country” (which includes things other than just our government) or our government?

      • Even if every founder was devoutly Christian, does not mean that they intended our government to be run as a Christian-leaning government. They had the opportunity to establish our government as a Christian-based government, yet did not do so.

    • if this was a Christian country, then the founding fathers should have put that in the Constitution instead of freedom of religion.

    • You need to get it through your thick head that this is not and never was a christian nation, but a nation where any individual can practice or not practice any belief they like! Read the constitution!

  12. Christians Rape Kids.

    I don’t want anything having to do with Christianity in public schools and near children.

  13. It’s a PAGAN monument in the first place. Sword in the Stone… Celtic Pagan Legend. Rubbing it for good luck… Superstitious and against the teachings of the Bible.
    If the atheists are against the scripture because they say it’s a myth… why aren’t they upset at the pagan “myth” of King Arthur with it’s sorcery and magical sword being shoved on these kids?
    And the mascot? Red Raider. Not quite a glorification of “Christian” attributes.
    Atheists are very discriminatory in their accusations.

    • it’s a high school football team’s unity and tradition. Didn’t your school have a mascot? The team runs through a paper sign because it’s tradition. They know paper is not the goddess of parchment. They know the sword in the stone is not magic. Don’t be ridiculous.

      • You proved my point although I’m not sure you realized what that point was. Yes, they all know it’s not real and it’s not really magic. The atheists beat that drum about God and the Bible. So why is there a difference? Why are they upset at the Bible verses and not the pagan references if they believe them both to be myth or “not magic?”
        There are plenty of actual pagans who seem to be getting a pass by the atheist group.

  14. Sheeple !!!! It’s a HARMLESS GAME NIGHT RITUAL not a firkin way of life! These kids don’t give it another thought after they leave the dressing room !!! GET OVER YOURSELVES!!!!!

    • These are not sheeple here.

      Sheeple are the ones who sit idly while our educational system churns out year after year of mindless foot soldiers of liberal ideology: cultural relativism, tolerance, diversity, multiculturalism, multilingualism and the other mantras of modern liberalism

      Sheeple elected Chairman Mao Bama under the mindless notion that it would introduce some sort of post racial Shangri La

      Sheeple are preparing to elect Hillary as the new token flavor of the day minority president

      Sheeple are the media cohorts who hide facts that go against the liberal narrative that they were indoctrinated in.

      People who speak out in defense of the constitutional separation of church and state are not sheeple, Sir.

      • Like the American Jews, who are GLAD to be living in a Christian country. And yes, contrary to what atheists say, this is a Christian country. Even though there is anti Semitism here, no one is killing us for it.

      • There needs to be intolerance toward those who profess Islam/Sharia as it violates the most basic tenent of citizenship, allegiance to our Constitutional government and the system of laws under it. No man can serve two masters.

  15. I am trying to post a commentary which is critical of the Christian religion and its history.

    So far Allen B West has rejected this post 3 times.

    Apparently he not only has his own version of the constitution he has his own style of censorship.

    Not sure where else I can post it yet but I will and then I’ll try to post the link.

    • or maybe because you’re totally bogus, I just finished reading your blog and its the same hateful message that most atheists give, why don’t you share with us the contributions and accomplishments that atheism has given society all throughout history.

      • Thanks for reply. Sorry you think I am totally bogus. Is there anything in the post that you care to debate in terms of facts or historical statements?

        There was an internal server error when I posted response, so I added it to the end of my doc above.

        I have to admit, the use of the word “hate” on this blog has grown tiresome.

        II am moving out of this blog soon, too many ads and problems with censorship and now server errors.

      • It depends on what your definition of IS, IS. Funny, Stephen Hawking is an atheist, yet he supports the Palestinians, a people governed by the religion of Islam. You can’t have it both ways.

      • I don’t see think it IS a conflict. The fact that I am critical of your beliefs doesn’t mean I can’t sympathize with your situation as a human. I even have a liberal friend.

        The notion that criticizing ideas is the same as criticizing the person is a product of modern academic liberalism and the reason that critical thinking has become persona non grata – because they equate criticism of beliefs with criticism of the individual, which is verboten.

        Anyway I don’t think his position on the Palestinians is based on religious beliefs. If it is then I would have issues.

      • Well jim, the Palestinians are going on religious beliefs. Islam says that ALL INFIDELS MUST CONVERT TO ISLAM OR DIE. All Infidels are every other religion but Islam. This is so their messiah will come. Why do you think the Muslims hate Christians and Jews? By the way, my wife and I who have been married for 32 years, are Conservatives.

      • You are right, his beliefs are based on a lie by Hamas, that Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians. It is Hamas who is exterminating the Palestinians. Words, as well as actions, have consequences. I lived in Israel for a while, and had Palestinian friends. Every morning thousands of Palestinians cross the borders to work in Israel. They hate the terrorists Hamas as much as anyone could. They are prisoners in Gaza and the West Bank.At night they go back to Gaza and the West Bank. My brother claims to be an independent, while spouting far left BS. He loves Obozo the Clown, and thinks Obozo can’t do anything wrong.

      • No,……I’ll leave my post right were it is as now, I see I actually did mean to post it for you. That list you just posted of all your atheist mentors. Have all been discredited in by their own scientist under studies.
        I won’t go into detail as i hate to be a spoiler of a great movie. You really need to watch ‘God’s Not Dead’. in it you will see that Steven Hawking based his theory and I do mean ‘theory’ on the fact that Gravity was the bases for evolution. By his statement along dictates that the earth needed to exist. Therefore, gravitational pull caused everything to be pulled together.causing the universe to exist. Now, I know that people can be rather dumb by some of your highly educated dead men you take great pride in quoting. But, if it was gravity that decided the universe needed to exist. Wouldn’t that mean that there had to be a higher power that created gravity since, gravity doesn’t have any intelligence whatsoever?
        . I probably didn’t do the movie justice but just so, I don’t give you any bad information. You probably need to see the movie. Unless, you want to continue believing in a bunch of dead men who are from mostly communist countries. Not sure about this but, pretty sure that their education was forced communism.

    • Atheism explained:
      To hear and see someone claim that God doesn’t exist or, that he is dead causes me realize that we have a man, woman child in our midst. At some point in time in your life you were a Christian who had the faith of a lion. Then somewhere down the line something happened in your life that caused you great pain.
      Maybe, things didn’t go the way you thought it should have, a disagreement, a lawsuit, a divorce, custody hearing, you lost someone close to you in death, fell in love with a person you could not have or keep, contracted a debilitating decease that spread throughout your body, was betrayed by someone closest to you, lost all your wealth and possessions, or something else major happened in your life. That caused you to become defiant of everything you were taught and believed in. Whatever, it was? Something in their life made them feel they were treated unjustly and caused them to feel defiant and resentful of God.
      Like a man or woman that acts out in a childlike, selfish manner. Dating a person who replaces their love for you to someone else. Because, they feel rejected and hurt. In their feeble attempt to get the love of their life back. They try everything under the sun to win that person back. Only to find out they push the person farther from them. When they realize nothing is working. Selfishly, they come up with the thought. That if I can’t have her/him. Then nobody is going to have them. So they strike back with the only thing they know to do. They due the unthinkable, killing the person they loved so much.
      (LOVE): The only emotion a human being cannot contain or control. Why is love the only emotion humans cannot control? Because, that is the only emotion that comes only from God! Because GOD is Love and Love is GOD. No one comes to the Father but by his name and his name only. (Yehshua), except him to find love, deny him and live a loveless life.
      When the Creator created this world everything in it has a POSITIVE and a NEGATIVE. I’m not making this up. This is a scientific fact! Talk to any scientist you know and he will reinforce what I’m saying. (Day and Night, Love and Hate, Positive and Negative, Moon and Sun, God and Satan, Girl and Boy, Heaven and Hell, Land and Water, Good and Evil, Smart and Dumb, Life and Death, Hard and Soft, so on and so on. Everything, and I mean everything has a positive and a negative.
      When you hear an Atheist say there is no God. (There is a negative) At that very moment you need to stop and think. What terrible thing happened in this person’s life to turn him/her from his faith and defy the creator like Satan did? Remember, that Lucifer was at one time the most beautiful angel in heaven. Gods right hand angel so to speak. What caused Lucifer to defy God and give that up? His arrogance and ego !
      Like the actor on the movie ‘GOD’S NOT DEAD’ said. “You’ll find that every Atheist at one time was the most devout Christian you would ever find. Until, a tragic event turned them from God. Don’t let their misery in life deprive you of your richest reward in Heaven.

      • If you are going to respond to my post, then please respond to my post. Otherwise you should be responding to Allen West.
        I never said God doesn’t exist or that he is dead, so go cut and paste this somewhere else.

  16. • Obsessed with national power and pride.
    • Rule of the few.
    • Survival of the fittest.
    • Media as a political propaganda machine.
    • Obsessed with security and war.
    • Indoctrination.
    • Re-writing history.
    • Hatred of intellectuals.
    • Hatred of communists.
    • Obsessed with keep women in the home.
    • Align yourself strongly with corporations.
    • Racial superiority.
    • Hatred of unions.
    • Election rigging.
    • Creating scapegoats to blame problems.
    And last but not least…
    • Obsessed with Christianity and with creating a Christian state.
    List description of Nazism

    • You sir are mistaken. The Nazis were absolutely not Christian. If they had any religion at all it was a mishmash of old Norse legends, Wagnerian Operas and pagan practices. Germany was about half Lutheran and half Catholic, but the Nazi Party was atheist.

      • Really? Are you serious? Do you bother to look this up at all?

        “I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of
        the Almighty Creator.”

        [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]

        “What we have to fight for…is the freedom and independence of the
        fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission
        assigned to it by the Creator.”

        [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]

        “This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the
        practical existence of a religious belief.”

        [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]

        “And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his
        estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove
        those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God.”

        [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174]

        “Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another… while the
        enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve.”

        [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309]

        “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

        [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

        “Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be
        wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in
        a fanatical outlook.”

        [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, p. 171]

        “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn
        splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the
        abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my
        father, the highest and most desirable ideal.”

        [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 1]

        “I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from
        time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At
        all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man
        and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna’s destinies: Dr.
        Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party.”

        [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 2]

        “…the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party… was to
        assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study.”

        [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

        “As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people
        fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether
        Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly
        at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single
        holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to
        his own heaven.”

        [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

        “Political parties has nothing to do with religious problems, as long
        as these are not alien to the nation, undermining the morals and
        ethics of the race; just as religion cannot be amalgamated with the
        scheming of political parties.”

        [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

        “For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of
        his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be
        in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!

        [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

        “In nearly all the matters in which the Pan-German movement was
        wanting, the attitude of the Christian Social Party was correct and

        [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

  17. First Amendment right to the freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof “Freedom of Religion” (Not FROM Religion) !

    Silly, Atheist ! ….. need to start your own religion of atheism…. and mind your own religous business.


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