Atheist group who wants to ban prayer at University of Tennessee games should stick their heads up their fourth point of contact

Y’all know I’m a big time University of Tennessee football fan and a 1983 graduate from ol’ Rocky Top. Today at noon is one of the big games for me as the Volunteers take on my home state Georgia Bulldogs down between the hedges at Sanford Stadium in Athens Georgia. Last year’s game was a heartbreaker, an OT loss for the Vols by a field goal. Sadly I will be on a train heading out of Connecticut to Maryland’s eastern shore, namely Salisbury. I’m quite sure all my good friends will be shooting me updates.

However, passionate I am about Tennessee Volunteer football, I am even more passionate about my Judeo-Christian faith, and something has happened which has pissed me off, and it’s personal.

As reported by Fox News, “A religious watchdog organization is demanding the termination of public prayer practices at the University of Tennessee football games along with documentation of email communications between two Mississippi universities and their Fellowship of Christian Athletes program. In a cease-and-desist letter to the University of Tennessee, the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) urged the football program to discontinue their practice of “opening football games and any other University of Tennessee Knoxville (UTK) events with prayer.” “When you’re not religious or are of another faith and you get prayed at during events, it’s really very grating.”

“This is a public university, not a Christian club,” wrote FFRF co-president Annie Gaylor. “When you’re not religious or are of another faith and you get prayed at during events, it’s really very grating.”

I’ve had it with this atheist group which fails to understand that the first amendment states that we have a “freedom of Religion and the free exercise thereof” in America. I do not see it saying there is a freedom FROM religion. I need to simply say to Ms. Gaylor, shut the heck up and take your crap back to Wisconsin and keep the hell out of the south and SEC Football country. I’ve had it with these anti-religious zealots who push their agenda against the rest of our country.

As a student at the University of Tennessee, I recall every home game having a local Pastor praying and lifting up the athletes for protection. As a matter of fact, when I went back to Neyland Stadium in 2009 for the Georgia-Tennessee game, there was still an opening prayer. We down south don’t want any of these outsiders trying to dictate how we live our lives, and I know this group is trying to go after other schools down south like Coach Dabo Sweeney at Clemson.

Who is this disturbed woman and organization, who as we reported here, secured a settlement with the IRS to review sermons of Pastors to eliminate “political activity” from the pulpit? Who are they to adjudicate what Christian ministers do? As well, who do they believe they are to demand anything be terminated and request emails? The Fellowship of Christian Athletes (FCA) is a long-standing organization that has been a positive influence in the lives of young men and women. This is going too far!

Perhaps Ms. Gaylor should know that the now-deceased classmate of mine at Tennessee and former Green Bay Packer, Reggie White, was an ordained minister while a student at Tennessee, and I’m quite sure he prayed lots on the field and with fellow teammates.

So to Ms. Gaylor, I am telling you to pound sand from a University of Tennessee alumnus. I also encourage my fellow Volunteer grads to send the same message to this deranged women who obviously doesn’t have enough to do in her pathetic life. As well, I support the administration of the University of Tennessee in telling Ms. Gaylor that they kindly appreciate her letter but the public prayer practices at our football games will not cease, nor desist. And that any feeble attempts to coerce or intimidate our school will not be considered.

Ms. Gaylor, you want to impress me? Do something about the cultural jihadist infiltration into our country. Say something about the ideology that inspired a Muslim to behead a 54-year-old American woman in Moore, Oklahoma.

However, as for attacking our fall Saturday traditions of SEC football, please, go away and remove your head from your 4th point of contact. We don’t give a damn what you think and certainly don’t give a damn about your demands. And I’ll be heading back to my alma mater for the Alabama-Tennessee game and doggone look forward to seeing my beloved Tennessee Volunteers pray — win or lose! God wins, you lose ma’am.

Yep, I am pissed off and it is time we start pushing back — Go Vols!

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So sick of of the FFRF and their “ban it” ways. Yeah, they went after Dabo – but we rallied behind him and our Tigers and haven’t heard much from them since (I know they are still lurking). Stand up to them Vols and FCA! For any of you anti-prayer people that may read this please take the following steps – GO AWAY – quickly to a country that doesn’t allow you to voice your opinion and see how well you like being forced to pray. If you can’t or won’t go away, kindly excuse yourself from times that you… Read more »
Syn Hope
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Hi2saK8iU

Dangerous Times. Watch this too.

Roscoe
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This disease has become firmly entrenched in our society. The extremists on the left have seized control of one political party and are infiltrating the other. They’re destroying the very fabric of the civil society and will never stop.

Syn Hope
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Hi2saK8iU

We need to stop this as well. America is a Christian country.

jay
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but this is a school not the government, take the separation of Church and state crap and shove it. This part of the country thats their culture and someone from another state needs to mind their own business.

TruConserv
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14th Amendment/ Incorporation Doctrine.

Read both.

Come back.

Apologize for writing like an ill-informed idiot.

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jay
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VOTE REPUBLICAN (CONSERVATIVE) in November

majorwiblit
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I’ll pass,,, thanks..

Syn Hope
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Hi2saK8iU

Agreed. Vote for this man too. Watch this clip.

Syn Hope
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Hi2saK8iU

America is a Christian country. That is endangered. Watch the above and stop it.

JimmieMee
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this country was NOT founded on the principle that a tiny minority can force their expectations on everyone…it was founded on the principle that the majority could not force its expectations on the minorities…so you miserable little atheists you are not forced to pray with your betters.

majorwiblit
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PRINCETON, NJ — The large majority of Americans — 77% of the adult population — identify with a Christian religion, including 52% who are Protestants or some other non-Catholic Christian religion, 23% who are Catholic, and 2% who affiliate with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Another 18% of Americans do not have an explicit religious identity and 5% identify with a non-Christian religion. so poor wittle christians in the US, bout 77% feel threatened by a small number of atheist?? ,,or people of a non religious background?? “When the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion… Read more »
Laureen Acton
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Actually it’s more like you atheist fools are threatened by Christians. Otherwise why would you try to hard to silence us?? We were founded on Christianity and we do not appreciate fools trying to remove that from our history, period !!

djmc993150
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In the city of Hamburg during WWII, there were only about 8 Gestapo agents. In any prison, to include concentration camps of WWII, the ratio of guard to prisoner is anywhere between 1:10 to 1:500. In Soviet Russia from 1917-1920 the number of true communist party members was much less than the number of royalists and white (republic seeking) Russians. During Muslim conquest and after of Christian lands from 632 – 1648, Muslims were constantly in a very small majority for the first decades and beyond – until they wiped out / forced converted / fored to flee the majority… Read more »
JR Conklin
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the roman catholic inquisition with its 90-95 million kills was an attempt to force folks to convert. “In the period after the Medieval Inquisition, it was one of three different manifestations of the wider Christian Inquisition along with the Spanish Inquisition and Portuguese Inquisition.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Inquisition). with all of this bloody history, you don’t think anything carried over into the u.s.? the awful witch-burnings at salem, not related? the various censorship and book burnings, not christian-related? or just not detrimental, in your view? i’m thinking that my be a little naive. after all, the bible aggressively instructs jesus’ followers to preach… Read more »
djmc993150
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And i notice you hacks never mention the fact that it was the strong Catholic influence that drove abolition of slavery.

jim becks
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Beep Beep, Wrong.

The Bible supports slavery and was used by slave holders to justify the practice. Christianity has blood on its hands for that and for the Holocaust. That’s just recent history.

djmc993150
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“BEEP BEEP WRONG”.. The Bible doesn’t support slavery, the closest you can come is to quote where it acknowledges it exists. Go ahead, cite me where it “supports” slavery. Its a common enough book, if you say that’s so, quote it. The holocaust? Really? Go ahead and justify that statement. That’s the most absurd “you have no idea about anything in history” statement I always here and when pressed you hacks can never support it. So I will give you, the next jack a — in line to try and fail – go ahead prove it. You know whats also… Read more »
jim becks
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You asked and 2 days ago I posted lengthy response.

jim becks
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You’re being offended doesn’t make you right. Following is my responses to your 3 questions. Look forward to all thoughtful replies. Starting from the bottom, that argument about Stalin and Mao has been debunked so thoroughly so often but it seems to keep coming back. Here is the short answer: they weren’t fighting for their atheist beliefs. They weren’t following some Gospel of Richard Dawkins that instructed them to commit atrocities: http://www.examiner.com/article/atheism-101-hitler-stalin-and-mao “They both had moustaches too, does that mean moustaches cause tyranny?” The point about the holocaust is less discussed. It’s almost never mentioned, really. I had to personally… Read more »
djmc993150
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90-95 MILLION kills?!!?! Really? Why not just say a super quadrillion. Just start making up garbage. You undermine yourself in your very first sentence. The inquistion was WELL in the past by the creation of the US, your lack of historical knowledge and reading ability would be laughable were it not so tragic and sick for your own moral equivalency. Salem was under BRITAIN not the US, are you so stupid you dont understand the difference? And no, they arent related. Soo 500-1000 years ago something happened – which by the way had little to do with religion and more… Read more »
oldagg
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77% can be intimidated by a few when the courts and the gun of government is brought to bear.

eherring
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They don’t fear the people for they could beat them to a pulp. They fear the lawsuits and a corrupted government that lets this foolishness continue. The government should be banned from “owning” education.

Russell Neefe
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In all of the SCOUS rulings up until 1952, they ruled that the US was a Christian nation. In 1952, the SCOUS for the first timed stated in an opinion that there was a “Separation of Church and State”. After that point, many have worked around the clock to slowly take Christianity out of the US. Even the Founding Fathers of this Great Nations in their many writings admitted this was a Christian Nation, and the reasoning behind the First Amendment was to ‘Ban the US Government’ from some day doing what was done in England and have ‘One Religion… Read more »
Thomas L. Stafford
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It is a right from God, not man.

JR Conklin
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neefe, i believe your interpretations are chock full of bologna. the “founding fathers” were mostly non-christianists, and very clearly framed every paragraph they penned to ensure separation of church and state. the erosion of our separation of church and state was aggressively begun during the mccarthy reign of ridiculousness (his witch hunt for russian socialist sympathizers in every closet) when he sneakily began to have judeo-christian idealism inserted into places such as the pledge of allegiance to convince unthinking americans that socialism = un-american = un-christian. it sounds ludicrous in writing, and it is, but it worked. later, after mccarthy… Read more »
Russell Neefe
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JR . . . NO COMMENT????

Russell Neefe
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JR Conklin . . . I would like to see your proof that “the “founding father” were mostly christianists”. For your education, (from Wikipedia) – “Within the large group known as the “Founding Fathers”, there are two key subsets: the Signers of the Declaration of Independence (who signed the United States Declaration of Independence in 1776) and the Framers of the Constitution (who were delegates to the Constitutional Convention and took part in framing or drafting the proposed Constitution of the United States). Of the 55 that framed the Constitution (the ones that drafted0 49 were ‘Protestants’, two were Roman… Read more »
jim becks
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Thomas Paine’s Age of Reason was not a religious book. It was an anti-religion / anti Christian book. He was eventually ostracized and died an outcast for his anti-Christian beliefs.

Russell Neefe
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jim . . . I did not say “Age of Reason” was a “religious book”. For your education, (from Wikipedia)

jim becks
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Really? I found this 2 inches up and to the right:
“Others (most notably Thomas Paine, who authored the religious book The Age of Reason)”

Russell Neefe
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jim . . . If you were to read and comprehend what I posted, you would have seen that I was citing Wikipedia: ” For your education, (from Wikipedia) – “Within the large group known as the “Founding Fathers”, . . . a few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson (who created the so-called Jefferson Bible) and Benjamin Franklin. Others (most notably Thomas Paine, who authored the religious book The Age of Reason) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.” I did not say ‘The Age of Reason’ was a… Read more »
jim becks
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Have hostility much?

I was responding to a point in your post, whether a quote or not it was incorrect.

Anyway, you didn’t have to call me a liberal, that’s a low blow.

Russell Neefe
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jim . . . I do not have no hostilities at all. I just do not like Liberals being Liberals and correcting every little thing they do not agree with. If you comment like a Liberal, and keep on posting like a Liberal, you must be a Liberal, and I will call you a Liberal. Since everyone knows Liberals do not consider their lies as being a lie, but just adjusting the facts to meet their needs and agenda, I call them LIARS. If you have problems with anything I posted, all I can say is for you to stop… Read more »
jim becks
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That’s a lot of words.
That could have been put to more productive use.

Is this what you mean by “Post like a liberal”?:

http://www.allenbwest.com/2014/10/atheists-run-amok-now-challenging-statue-georgia-high-school/#comment-1615448167

DNavyBrat
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Big WRONG! The Founding Fathers were God fearing men and their writings have proven it time and historically time again! History Class is what you need to take over again! Better yet! visit Independence Hall in Philly! There is no Separation of Church and State! Read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution; NO WHERE IS THAT WRITTEN! LOL your discertaion is hilarious and erroneous! A letter from Thomas Jefferson. To concerned Teacher does not mean that was or should have made it into the Constitution! It would have gone against the very fabric of the Declaration of Independence, which… Read more »
majorwiblit
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The Founding Fathers did not create a secular government because they disliked religion. Many were believers themselves. Yet they were well aware of the dangers of church-state union. They had studied and even seen first-hand the difficulties that church-state partnerships spawned in Europe. During the American colonial period, alliances between religion and government produced oppression and tyranny on our own shores. Many colonies, for example, had provisions limiting public office to “Trinitarian Protestants” and other types of laws designed to prop up the religious sentiments of the politically powerful. Some colonies had officially established churches and taxed all citizens to… Read more »
Thomas L. Stafford
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You misunderstand federalism. The Constitution prescribed the limits and duties of the federal government, not the states. Those “colonies” states after ratification of the Constitution maintained their laws concerning religion until their legislatures and governors removed them. It was usually an economic decision. The people of the suppressed religions were leaving. That was the beauty of our Constitution. Individual states and even communities could test theories of governance and economics without damaging the whole. That, unfortunately is gone now. Our only true prayer as a nation is to somehow get it back.

TruConserv
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Please read the 14th Amendment and then google “incorporation doctrine.” You’re going to be surprised about a few things …

William Torpey
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Especially “Anyone Else”!!

Laureen Acton
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EXACTLY !!!! Well said.

eherring
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Totally remove government ownership of education funds and then these cockroaches can’t bother you. Remove funding from the government budgets. Set up trust fund for state students’ education managed by private entity. Let money follow student to whatever source of secondary and graduate level program they want to attend.Then have taxed dollars go into private fund, not government coffers, divesting government of ownership of the dollars. Send NO money to DC that will be returned to states. Only give DC min amount.

Leo Gessford Jr.
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Only a narrow minded fool believes in a god. Real people believe in reality. Which are you, Allen?

Johnny Hood
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Question: “What does the Bible mean when it says “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’”?” Answer:BothPsalm 14:1andPsalm 53:1read, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” Some take these verses to mean that atheists are stupid, i.e., lacking intelligence. However, that is not the only meaning of the Hebrew word translated “fool.” In this text, the Hebrew word isnabal, which often refers to an impious person who has no perception of ethical or religious truth. The meaning of the text is not “unintelligent people do not believe in God.” Rather, the meaning of the… Read more »
rphunter
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So you can see into my mind, and decide I am narrow minded? I admit to the possibility there is no God, but you, on the other hand, have closed your mind to the possibility that there may, in fact, be a God. Now who has the narrow mind?

Charlene Westberry Fisher
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Charlene Westberry Fisher
I just prayed for you,because Jehovah God commands us to do so, because you are blinded from the truth by Satan who is ruler over the earth. Until you admit and know the spirit you will not hear the spirit. 1 John 5: 19-20 We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the… Read more »
jim becks
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Things you never want to hear in an elevator:

1 – Hey, I’m not only an insurance salesman, I’m also a Jehovas witness

Charlene Westberry Fisher
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Charlene Westberry Fisher

What we want and what we get are not always the same is it? lol

majorwiblit
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The reality is that when you look at all registered democrats,
Christians make up the majority. That said, I tend to think most
Christians in the US, republican or democrat are actually more moderate
than the right-wing-nut-job talk show hosts would have you believe.

Thomas L. Stafford
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Now you speaking for Christians?

Laureen Acton
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Prove that there is no God. If you don’t bother to try, that would make you a narrow minded fool !! God Bless You and have a wonderfully blessed by God day !!

majorwiblit
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west falls into the narrow minded category…

CKM
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TheN I guess I am a narrow mindedicated fool and you are a ignorant ass. But God bless you anyway.

Remember always be nice and tell an atheist “God bless you” just to piss them off.

DNavyBrat
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I have friends who are thiests and they simply say thank you! I think they are probably more Agnostic, so it’s aptogression! But they are awesome people!

jacqui
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pray for her she needs it

mzungu
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I’m not feeling well today, just broke a fever so my only comment is to wish Atheist death tody. Die. Maybe tomorrow I’ll be more flexible and wish them well.

jtbrother
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Said like a true Atheist who wants to make Christians look bad.

jim becks
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Said the Christian conspiracy-theorist;0

elle
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lol hope you get better 🙂

akatom3565
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Can’t wait for them to go after the Muslims, they will find out how committed they really are after they start beheaded them for crossing them!

Desertman50
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The reason the FFRF rarely goes after Muslims (and they have) is because the United States is predominantly Christians (atheists even outnumber Muslims in the U.S.) and thus typically tend to circumvent the Constitution the most. If you have any knowledge of Muslims violation the 1st Amendment, feel free to bring it to the attention of the FFRF.

jim becks
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Desertman, we are in agreement on the big issues here and I shouldn’t take up space quibbling with you. But I will on this issue of the FFRF. The leaders of the FFRF are clueless on Islam. They think that the Bible is a source of more human misery than the koran, I actually heard them use the term Islamophobia which is a nonsense term made up by liberals. They laughed about the idea of Sharia law ever getting a toe hold in our courts. Then a judge allowed it in a ruling. They seem to have no idea about… Read more »
jtbrother
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They would NEVER go after Muslims. They don’t have the nerve.

jim becks
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Unfortunately that is true – for the Madison based FFRF group – because they are liberals and suffer from the cognitive dysfunction known as cultural relativism (ie: they only despise what is white and European and everything else is good). It may not be the case for other atheist groups. But don’t forget the 40000+ atheists in the military fighting for your right to not have to pray to Allah (Pat Tillman was one) We also have ACT For America which fights the poison of Islam in the US head on. They are not atheist but I don’t think they… Read more »
tammy
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They will never go after the Muslims, they know Christians won’t cut off their heads.

elle
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bunch of chickens lol!

jim becks
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Yes, Like Pat Tillman
I was going to put lol but I can’t do it, too moronic.

JR Conklin
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my, my, aren’t we behaving christianly today? not to mention courteous and reasonable. and i’m not gonna even touch on grammer, syntax or spelling (i am aware that i do not use capitals as i was taught in school, it’s a problem with me.) does anyone even vaguely recall that the pilgrims fled mother england because of religious persecution? that’s what this nation was based on, and that is why america was ever formed – freedom, blessed freedom. so even though our constitution may not spell out “freedom FROM religion” it does guarantee freedom from persecution for any and all… Read more »
jtbrother
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“Aren’t we being Christian”? Why because we won’t lie down and roll over for you haters? They came here to practice THEIR religion because the they were being persecuted in England…… just like you people are trying to do here. No one wants to force you do believe anything so why do you want to stop us from believing? It is because you hate anyone who believes in anything that you do not. NOW go be SICK!

Thomas L. Stafford
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Sorry but that is exactly what the first amendment does in regard to religion. It forbids the government from interfering with the free practice of any religion. This of course stops with crimes against animals and other people.

gwm68
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Idiot alert. Sorry for your miserable life. Ah, no I am not. Obviously did not take history.

rphunter
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And, you don’t know how to SPELL grammar, much less use it properly. And there is a neat key on your keyboard that causes the character you type to be a capital letter, but you are obviously too lazy to use it unless you want to emphasize something.

jtbrother
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HAHAHA

DNavyBrat
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He has e v eru right to write on whatever manner he chooses st this point…HE IS PISSED OFF! And I for one and PISSED off right with him! Freedom of rrligion, does not give freedom from seeing various faiths being represented! BS! The one thing that ALL FAITHS do is PRAY! It does not matter if it’s different. ..they still pray! My ancestors left Ireland back in the 1600’s to live here! They have bled and died for this country in every war since! Your fukin crappy attitude is why we as a Nation has taken a dump on… Read more »
majorwiblit
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People are not drawn to religion to be better. They are drawn to religion to feel better. In this country what passes for Christians look to the Bible to validate their greed, fear, and hate. They wallow in the Old Testament where they can justify any heinous act they want to commit and completely ignore anything Christ said or did. They whine like victims when they can’t legislate their beliefs and cry about being persecuted whenever they are prevented from persecuting others. In short our fundamentalist Christians are just as bad as ISIS and would do the same things ISIS… Read more »
jtbrother
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You are an insane hater. Again, Christians do not do not want to legislate our beliefs on YOU hater. We simply want to be left alone to pray to God for our (and YOUR forgiveness).

jim becks
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Then do it alone and all will be bliss.

Thomas L. Stafford
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A few centuries have passed since a Christian church authorized or practiced the slaughter of innocents. BTW, this is not because they could not have. It was a choice. Many of us do in fact go to church in an attempt to better ourselves. We give of our resources to fund the charitable activities of our churches. We join together to volunteer and dispense this bounty without prejudice. Look to the log in your eye before you strive to remove the sawdust from the eye of your brethren.

jtbrother
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Well said Thomas.

rphunter
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I feel you are speaking for yourself here. Maybe it is that way for YOU, but don’t impute your motivation to others.

OffensiveAndPeculiar
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Hey Col. West, these same clowns came after us here in tiny Coos Bay Oregon to have a war memorial removed from our park (Cross) The public outcry was deafening. They went away.

jim becks
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I really like your handle / name.

rphunter
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I have no objection to atheists. They have as much right to their religion (yes, it qualifies as a religion), as I have to mine. The limitation, implied by the amendment, is that you can practice your religion as long as it doesn’t violate the basic laws of society, such as not allowing human sacrifice, or ritual mutilations, etc. As to allowing one group to prevent another from praying, that’s just plain WRONG.

Desertman50
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To quote Bill Maher: Atheism a religion like abstinence is a sex position.

Or the one I like, atheism is a religion like “off” is a TV channel.

rphunter
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Wrong analogy. A religion is a system of beliefs, customs, and traditions based on belief, not of empirical proof. Atheism is exactly that. One can neither prove, nor disprove, the existence of a god.

Desertman50
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Well, rphunter, lets dismantle your claim. First off, atheism is not a belief, it is a non-belief, nothing more, nothing less. There IS no “system” of beliefs. (Strike one.) As such, there are no customs or traditions based of this non-belief. (Strikes two and three.) Please tell me–and any readers–what these specific atheistic customs and traditions are and how they are practiced. I seemed to have missed the memo. As a non-belief, there is no need to either prove or disprove the existence of God. The requirement for proof lays with the side making the positive assertion, that there IS… Read more »
jtbrother
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Quoting Bill Maher? You may as well be quoting the devil.

jtbrother
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Well you are quoting a demon so…

jim becks
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To quote Penn Jillette: Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Thomas L. Stafford
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Atheism like religion is a belief system. It requires the belief that this universe arose out of nothingness. That is no less a belief system than a faith that there is a mighty God who created and continues to create it.

jim becks
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Atheism is not a “belief system” it’s based on reason, evidence, rational thought. We are all willing to change our position if proof for a God and an accompanying religious view ever came about. Religion is based on theology – faith and dogma.

rphunter
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Jim, I hate to break it to you, but science IS a belief system. Worse, it is one that is always changing as we learn more. Rather like building a house on shifting sand. And science isn’t above faith, and dogma, take ‘Borh’s atom’, and 9 planets, for a start, then some of the rather odd ideas from the middle ages, such as spiders having only 6 legs, and the sun revolving around the earth, and the earth as the center of the universe. ALL those things were once taught as ‘scientific fact’, some since I was in school!
jim becks
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We have dogma today, Global Warming is a good example. But it’s not the scientists that are dogmatic (exception being the ones under the thumb of liberal ideologues), They are busy figuring stuff out. The ones declaring the debate is over, etc. are not scientists. No scientist would make such a statement.

Actually the current green movement has become a religion for liberal atheists. In this theology the earth is God and Man is evil.

jim becks
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So help me out here, it’s a bad thing that scientific thinking changes as we learn new things?

Thomas L. Stafford
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Not really, science at one time taught that matter cannot be created or destroyed. Oops, the nuclear age begins and a lot of matter is “transformed” into energy. Most of this energy diffuses to the point that it cannot be found. They have theorized that a gamma ray of the right energy can become a positron. But, a positron’s existence is very short. It finds an electron and the pair explode releasing heat and another gamma ray. Science also told us that light would not bend. Again, not so much Einstein theorized that light could be bent. Empirical observation has… Read more »
jtbrother
Guest

Right, a belief system.

jim becks
Guest

I don’t believe in unicorns nor do I see any valid evidence for their existance. Does that make me an anti-unicornian?
Does it mean I follow some anti-unicornian belief system?

majorwiblit
Guest
“They knew that to put God in the constitution was to put man out. They knew that the recognition of a Deity would be seized upon by fanatics and zealots as a pretext for destroying the liberty of thought. They knew the terrible history of the church too well to place in her keeping or in the keeping of her God the sacred rights of man. They intended that all should have the right to worship or not to worship that our laws should make no distinction on account of creed. They intended to found and frame a government for… Read more »
B52 EWO 72-76
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Oooops. “God” does not appear in the Constitution. “Creator” appears in the Declaration of Independence…NOT “God.” Do a word search.

majorwiblit
Guest

I think he meant “Gawd” as a religion and all that it incompasses,
or the way I read it..

jtbrother
Guest

Are you trying to be sacrilegious?

majorwiblit
Guest

sacrilegious???

B52 EWO 72-76
Guest

LOL! I frequently spell it that way. 🙂

majorwiblit
Guest

🙂

B52 EWO 72-76
Guest

This is UT’s decision.

jim becks
Guest
I totally agree with sentiment to “Do something about the cultural jihadist infiltration into our country”. I have written (as a member of FFRF) to Ms Gaylor with same request, to not just focus on Christians praying at games and council meetings. But I think, Mr West, with all due respect, on this issue yours is the head stuck in the wrong place. It’s a a strange feeling. I am a conservative, I admire Allen West and what he stands for. It’s not about God to me or to the FFRF. It’s about keeping religion out of my government. I… Read more »
Thomas Meadows
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religion out of government?Since when is a college football game government?If you don’t believe in good fine but as far as EVERYONE ELSE IS CONCERNED,STFU

Desertman50
Guest

The vast majority of colleges are operated by the government, are they not?

jtbrother
Guest

Not the federal government.

Desertman50
Guest

They receive federal money.

TruConserv
Guest

Read the 14th Amendment and then google “Incorporation DOctrine.”

jtbrother
Guest

Do you people have any problem with prayer in private schools. Of course you do. It just kills you that you can do nothing about it.

Desertman50
Guest

Nope, the FFRF has no issues whatsoever with prayer in private schools. Nice straw man.

Thomas L. Stafford
Guest

People praying at the beginning of a football game is not Establishment of a State Religion

TruConserv
Guest

Please read Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Independent_School_Dist._v._Doe

jtbrother
Guest

Exacly Thomas.

jim becks
Guest

The supreme court disagrees with you. So how would you like it if you went to a game at a public school and there were people on the field shouting Alla Akbar and down with infidels?

jtbrother
Guest

I wouldn’t like it if Christians went to a game and yelled kill all non-Christians. But that is not what they are doing. They pray for the safety of all of the players. That is just simply disgusting isn’t it? I know how that must hurt you people. The agony!

jim becks
Guest
You seem to make a lot of assumptions about “us people” and what bothers “us” and motivates “us” who ever that is. I can only speak for myself but I encourage any and all to excersize their right of free speech and pray, kneel, jump up and down or do whatever you want to pay homage to whatever bearded man in the sky or flying carpenter god or Zeus or Apollo or any other other desert-dwelling prophets you may want to adulate or whatever 2000 year old mythology you care to believe. Have at it. But verily I say unto… Read more »
Earl Lee
Guest

I have a problem with you say I admire allen (rob these loons blind) west and what he stands for. Its apparent that the man stands for bigotry and HATE and attracts the worst people with his hate filled POST!

jtbrother
Guest

Bigotry? Hahahaha

Thomas L. Stafford
Guest

What document are you citing? It sounds like drivel to me.

Earl Lee
Guest

What document?? This blog!!! It is filled with such HATE and BIGOTRY!!

jtbrother
Guest

Hate? Show us the hate. You are the hater.

Earl Lee
Guest

Are you that simple minded? Go read the previous post and comments on this blog then get back to me. Ok Skippy?

Thomas Meadows
Guest

Perhaps a good look at YOURSELF is in order

Proud Conservative
Guest
I have no problem if individuals choose not to believe in God. That is their right in America. I happen to be a Christian, but I force it down no ones throat. However, what I do have a problem with is the fact that the FFRF and many atheists masquerade around, portraying themselves as helpless victims in this bad religious America. The reality is that FFRF would want no Christianity anywhere in America, not just out of schools and government. They abuse the legal system with their ambulance chasing attorneys, hoping something sticks. Their sole purpose as an organization is… Read more »
jtbrother
Guest

You nailed it.

Desertman50
Guest
So many falsehoods in one post. No, the FFRF does not want to ban any religion, much less Christianity. At no point has the FFRF ever abused the legal system. In fact, they have striven to UPHOLD our nation’s laws. The FFRF was not involved in the 911 museum cross — that was the American Atheists. Although I will admit that the FFRF supported the action, as it was an unconstitutional promotion of Christianity by the government. When Christians post rational comments on the FFRF Facebook page, they are, more than often responded in kin. However, very few Christians do… Read more »
jtbrother
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There is no difference between the two organizations. And YES their ultimate goal is to ban all religions. To think otherwise is just blind ignorance.

Desertman50
Guest

To think the goal of both is to ban religious is sheer stupidity and a display of Christian persecution complex.

Proud Conservative
Guest
I live in Madison….the home base of FFRF. They are against christians…pure and simple. As is the American Atheist… there is no substantial difference between the two. They do not abuse the legal system? It is the only game they have. They have no real ability to sway opinion from a heavily religious America, so their ONLY mechanism is law suits. Remove bibles from hotel rooms. Cover up alters at hospitals. Remove crosses from museums and mountains. These are ridiculous lawsuits and a waste of the legal systems time. It really is the only way they remain relevant. As I… Read more »
Desertman50
Guest

The FFRF has only contested bibles in GOVERNMENT hotels. Please cite when they have asked for alters in hospitals to be covered up. Crosses do not belong on GOVERNMENT property.

Earl Lee
Guest

I have a hard time believing that ANY person that is filled with such hate a bigotry is a CHRISTIAN!

jtbrother
Guest

Where did he say anything about ‘hating’ anyone. You are the haters.

Earl Lee
Guest

Really?? Have you read the articles on this blog?? Have you read the comments??

Earl Lee
Guest

Allen (rob these loons blind) west, these people deserve a explanation! How does your GUARDIAN FUND only give out $35,000 of over 4 million collected to CONSERVATIVE candidates while over 3 million goes to 10 separate companies for FUNDRAISING?? They want to know how does it take over 3 million in spending only to give away 35k?????

mcrognale
Guest

Hang it up a–hole. You repeat this lie on everyone of Allen’s post. You provide no link to any proof. You are likely one of the paid trolls who infest conservative websites trying to spread your filth to ruin his chances at higher office. It won’t work anymore. Be gone.

Earl Lee
Guest

Now…maybe YOU can explain these numbers? over 4 million collected and only 35k giving to conservative candidates? Somebody is being RIPPED OFF and I think its YOU skippy!!!

majorwiblit
Guest

there are no chances to ruin, he will never run for anything again,,
let alone win anything..
and that,, is a good thing

Earl Lee
Guest

Paid troll? Higher office??? First…I’m paid by NONE and 2nd you really don’t understand that when you come in 9th at in a straw poll at a even that YOU SPOKE at means that HE has NO CHANCE for running for higher off. 3rd…here is MY PROOF but you won’t believe it OR try to justify it! YOU are being HAD!
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2014&cmte=C00493221

jtbrother
Guest

Then why are you people so afraid of him?

Earl Lee
Guest

Afraid of who?? Allen (rob these loons blind) west?? He is the one that is ripping YOU off in the name of the tea party! I can see right through his FRAUD!! You can’t!!

Thomas Meadows
Guest

Sounds more like YOU ARE ON OBAMA”S PAID STAFF OF BULLSHIT ARTISTS

Brad Oldham
Guest

From a fellow Vol alumnus, I’m right with you Lt. Col.!

majorwiblit
Guest
Tea Party darling and frequent Fox News screeching-head Allen West was so upset at the military’s new police regarding recruitment that he told those currently enlisted that it was their duty to disobey President Obama’s orders. There was a time, not long ago, where those words would be considered beyond the pale, but now, they are just what we’ve come to expect from the right-wing echo chamber. West is so far gone that he believes anything the president does is illegitimate and therefore not to be respected. Unlike other Fox News pundits, whom I suspect only believe half of the… Read more »
jtbrother
Guest

We don’t!

Thomas Meadows
Guest

You have to be a troll!!!!!!

majorwiblit
Guest

run along Biff, it’s past your bedtime,,

CharlesS702
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The biggest bigots in the world are atheists (I refuse to capitalize atheist even if it’s at the beginning of a sentence.) They don’t believe in free speech and they certainly don’t believe in freedom of religion, unless you’re saying what they agree with or you are an atheist. They’re very much like liberals (another word I refuse to capitalize.) Free speech is all good until you speak up against them or their beliefs. These atheists are free to not pray however they want to force everyone else to not pray. The only exception is if you’re muslim (again another… Read more »
Shelia Lay
Guest

AMEN!

elle
Guest

Jesus backs every word and thought of our Father. They are one in the same. I know this is hard to do, I and many have gone through your own questions to this. Jesus tells us how to live in God’s word. I pray that you have greater understanding and come to a peace of the two. There is only one way to the Father and that is through Jesus. Their words are the same.

TruConserv
Guest
Perhaps if Mr. West read the whole Constitution it would make sense to him. West claims the Constitution provides “freedom of Religion and the free exercise thereof.” That’s his quote, including the quote marks. West is telling that he is quoting the Constitution. He’s wrong. What the Constitution actually says is “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” See the difference? The 14th Amendment and the Incorporation Doctrine make the Amendment applicable against the state and local governments. The SCOTUS has determined that when a state entity favors one religion over… Read more »
Jade
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I totally respect your position and completely understand your piont – Mr. West mis-quoted the First Amendment of the Constitution. What exactly does it mean then that “Congress shall make no law…..prohibiting the free exercise [of religion] thereof”? So if Congress cannot make any laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion, isn’t it safe to say that we have freedom of religion or the freedom to exercise religion? Perhaps Mr. West should have taken more time to decipher the actual words to which he was referring, but, in my humble opinion, we have the freedom of expression in regards to… Read more »
TruConserv
Guest
The issue is Establishment – specifically whether a government is establishing religion when the government sponsors or endorses a prayer that is broadcast over a loud speaker. The prevailing ruling by the Supreme Court is that such action before football games is an Establishment, as that word is used in the US Constitution. By paying for the Christian prayer — the rent on the stadium, the uniforms of the players, the cost of the loudspeakers — and then broadcasting it to a captive audience, the logic is that the gov’t is declaring one faith is better than the other, or… Read more »
Jade
Guest
Granted, the following excerpt is taken from “Wikipedia” which may or may not be such a great source, it states, “The Establishment Clause prohibits Congress from preferring or elevating one religion over another, but does not prohibit the government’s entry into religious domain to make accommodations for religious observances and practices in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.” The “Free Exercise” clause immediately follows the Establishment Clause and states, “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. Prayers at the beginning of football games do not require the mandatory recitation of such by fans of the game in… Read more »
TruConserv
Guest
and yet, the SCOTUS disagrees. In Santa Fe Independent v Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000), the court ruled thusly: [i]n a 6-3 opinion delivered by Justice John Paul Stevens, the Court held that the District’s policy permitting student-led, student-initiated prayer at football games violates the Establishment Clause. The Court concluded that the football game prayers were public speech authorized by a government policy and taking place on government property at government-sponsored school-related events and that the District’s policy involved both perceived and actual government endorsement of the delivery of prayer at important school events. Such speech is not properly characterized… Read more »
elle
Guest

Who is being forced into one religion over another because the team wants to take a knee before the game? Seriously, who is being forced?

TruConserv
Guest
I’m not sure anyone is. I’m not sure that the prayer violates the Establishment clause. I’m addressing the fact that West showed his disrespect and contempt for the US Constitution by using a false-quote. I’m further speaking to his general misunderstanding of the Constitution, consistent with that false quote. The issue for court would be whether having a Christian prayer before each games, led at the instruction of the State, constitutes an Establishment — a favoring of one religion over another — that is impermissible. I’m not sure that it does, but I am sure that West doesn’t know what… Read more »
elle
Guest
But isn’t my question what it is all about to begin with? You want to harpoon him because of this or that regarding the constitution, but the main idea of his post is that there is a group that says people should be stopped from taking a knee before a game. You are always at West, put that aside. What about these people that want to stop to others from prayer prior to their game? What of that? That is the real issue here. I already know you will never agree with West. Your prior posts have never agree with… Read more »
TruConserv
Guest
You continue to misunderstand the issue. It’s not that someone is being forced to pray, its that by conducting one style of prayer the gov’t is Establishing a preferred religion. Further, by conducting any style of prayer, it is that the gov’t is establishing that there is a god, against the considerations of those who claim there is not. It’s not your fault. There is a reason West deliberately and disgracefully butchered the Constitution when he offered his demonstratively false-quote: he doesn’t want you to even think about what he edited out – the Establishment Clause. The Establishment Clause has… Read more »
Andrew Ussery
Guest

One fallacy I see in the ffrf issue….UT (and most other colleges) invite representatives from all campus affiliated religious organizations to give the invocation at games. There is no preference of one over another. Also, someone speaking a prayer, even over a PA system does not force a non-believer to pray themselves. The ffrf needs to mind their own business and stay out of ours.

TruConserv
Guest

And that’s really the issue – how to reconcile the majority opinion in Sante Fe, that pre-game prayers over loud speakers violate the 1st Amendment with the finding last year that rotating prayers, even if sectarian, do not.

I have no problem with the FFRF using the legal system. It’s their right. I have no problem with the people who want to tell them they are wrong … so long as they do so without misquoting the Constitution, as Mr. West so clearly did.

jtbrother
Guest

It is about time we stand up to these haters and simply tell them to kiss our collective rears. Stay out of our country and mind your own yankee business.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Really? You do know Christianity is from the Middle East and not from America, right? Telling us to leave is very hypocritical. Also, we are standing up against you finally. Theism has always been a burden on humanity and a lot of us are not going to stand for it’s hate and hurtful ways any longer. You can kiss our butts, because we will be here long after your religion has died!

jim becks
Guest
Hate? You want to see some hate? Try these Bible verses on for size: (From buzzfeed.com) Murdering babies is a good time: “Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock” Psalm 137:9 You were disobedient, so God will make you eat your own kids: “I will make them eat the flash of their sons and the flesh of their daughter and all shall eat the flesh of their neighbors in the siege and in the distress with which their enemies and those who seek their life afflict them” Jeremiah 19:9 Slavery rocks: Slaves… Read more »
Rez™
Guest

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by
others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. – Matthew 6:5

Shelia Lay
Guest

Freedom From Religion Foundation need to back off and leave people along. There opinion means nothing to us here in Tennessee. Never has and never will.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Seems education is not important to you either with the bad grammar and spelling!

John Adams
Guest

CRAP –I CANT SUPPORT YOU ANY MORE SIR–YOU A VOLS FAN—GO TEXAS TECH !!!!

JenniferP
Guest
The government is prohibited from creating a state religion, due to the killings of catholics or protestants in Europe whenever a new monarch decided that they were one or the other and the restof the country must follow suit. The government is trying to implement atheism as the forced religion of the country. This type of group, FFRF, is an arm of enforcement of this enforced “religion”. If it were not a religion, they would not care that we believe differently. Our right to practice our religion is spelled out and sans a constitutional amendment ratified by the states, the… Read more »
Milton Platt
Guest

Atheism is the lack of belief if a god or gods. Nothing more. If that is a religion, then not believing in Santa is a religion as well.

Noone is trying to take your religion away, just trying not to have it forced upon themselves.

JenniferP
Guest

No, atheism is a religion. Otherwise the symbols of other religions would not matter. A lack of religion is different, it does not care. Look at yourself deeper friend and stop trying to force your religion down my throat! Freedom of worship necessarily allows others to show their religion without interference. The forcing of atheism down the throats of those with a belief in a higher power, God, is an effort to have a government enforced religion, atheism.

jim becks
Guest

Congratulations for the most ass-backwards perspectives on the issues I’ve seen. Every sentence is completely the opposite of reality. Where to begin? Not believing in religion is a religion and we are trying to force OUR religion down YOUR throat by asking you not to use OUR tax dollars to force us to hear YOUR prayers at PUBLIC events? This is useless.

JenniferP
Guest
The passion behind your argument betrays its religious nature. If you truly believe that there is no god, you would simply smile indulgently and walk on when you see a cross. It would be similar to my reaction when a child is going to see Santa or is expecting the tooth fairy. It would never be worth lawsuits. A total LACK of belief does not require me to rip it out of their hands and heads or off of the lawn. There is no emotional response of any depth or intensity involved. This is why atheism is now capitalized by… Read more »
jim becks
Guest
That’s all just ass backwards straw men with more words. Passion of an argument makes it religious? We want to rip something out of someone’s hands or off someone’s lawn? Need to take something away from others? Jealous of others belief? Laws based on Bible’s commandments? Show me a reference to commandments in the law. (PS Our system of laws predates the colonies.) Remove every religious symbol in the country? I’m afraid you are too far from reality but I will try to reel you in with few facts: The objective here is to keep religious observance out of our… Read more »
Carl Kimball
Guest

First, am a non-believer by choice. I never seen or heard any religion that harmed me, “yet”. In the situation of a prayer before a game, no one is being forced to pray. You can stand in silence or even kneel to show your comradeship for your team and still be silent. People who make a big deal out of this are very lonely, very self centered and don’t understand the meaning “Free Will”. So go pray or not pray and kick some butts on the field……

jim becks
Guest

Ok Carl, then you may be the one to answer the question I have put to others here: Would you say the same if it was a group of muslims on rugs and included chanting allah ahkbar? If you can honestly say yes, then maybe you are the man Proud Conservative thinks you are. You still would not understand the constitution.

Carl Kimball
Guest

First, no matter how someone practice their religion isn’t my concern unless they are harming or killing others. Then there’s that chant, I have no clue what their saying. Constitution I believe says government will not be run under any religion so we can freely believe or not believe our own religion. But to be honest am only human.
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jim becks
Guest

The constitution doesn’t say that. Only our steadfast diligence in enforcing the intent of Jefferson et all and the “Wall of separation between church and state” keeps us from turning into a theocratic government like those in the Middle East.

Carl Kimball
Guest

That’s cool. I Just like no one religion has control of the government.

Proud Conservative
Guest

Carl is the type of person that I truly have respect for. Even though he chooses not to believe in God, he remains respectful of those that do…and for that I respect him.

Carl Kimball
Guest

Thank you, but am just me….

Jade
Guest

The voice of reason. Thank you

Carl Kimball
Guest

Love the bacon…lol

Jade
Guest

Why, thank you Carl. 🙂

Matthew Sherrouse
Guest

You say my brother in the lord, it should be required viewing to see the History channel special “You Don’t Know Dixie” before you start making demands of the south. Who do these people think they are messing with.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Ignorant backwoods fanatics who think their s#it don’t stink.

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Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

//Yep, I am pissed off and it is time we start pushing back//

What the hell do you think atheists are doing after a long time of being pushed around and segregated? As a black man, you must know how that feels!

If your team wants to pray by themselves, that is fine, but you can’t force the entire stadium to say or follow a prayer that may not believe in.

I hope some day Allen West and his ignorant comrades at FOX NEWS finally take their heads out of their 4th point of contact.

jtbrother
Guest

How the heck are you pushed around. LOL, your so sad. Poor baby.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Really? All you can ask is a rhetorical question and you can’t answer that yourself? I think you are sad! Look at history!

jtbrother
Guest

That was not a “rhetorical” question my friend. I have never attempted to push you around in anyway. I don’t care if you believe or don’t believe. Just leave us alone. You are such haters.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Of course it was. You asked it with a “.” not a “?”

I do not hate anyone and I have never pushed anyone around either! Where does your baseless claim come from?

jtbrother
Guest

What baseless claim? That I have not pushed you around? You are, in fact pushing people around right now with every hateful word you type because you HATE anyone who believes in Christ.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

What hateful words? I never said you pushed me around, but you are whining like a little kid who is not getting his way! And again with that baseless claim of hate, what gives? I just told you I don’t hate anyone and then you say I hate people. You are a confused person who needs help.

agvol
Guest

The prayers are very PC. The subject is basically asking the Lord to watch over the players, and the fans as they travel away from the game. If I’m offended, it’s usually over the high level of PC in the prayers. I have also discovered that to be offended is my problem. I can always choose to be NOT offended. As-salamu Alaykum. I think you need some.

Milton Platt
Guest

I think they mean for it to come across as PC so they do not run afoul of the law. But which “Lord” are they addressing when the prayer is said?

Some sort of generic god that no one in particular actually believes in?

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Sorry, led prayer is not PC. Read the Constitution if you are an American citizen.

agvol
Guest

Article 1:”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” Okay done. UTAD is not establishing a religion and you are the one wanting the prohibition.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Actually, that is the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights. Article 1 does not state that. Please learn our Constitution before trying to sound intelligent.

Also, we are not prohibiting prayer, we are prohibiting the imposition of it on others through indirect means such as loud speakers. Hence why we have a moment of silence, do you can do as your religion wishes without indirectly forcing it on others.

jtbrother
Guest

I feel so sorry for you folks who are forced to hear someone pray for the protection of the players. What torture that must be. You must lead a very sad life. Lets all pray for this poor fella.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

A sad person is one who misses the point and tries to ad hom his way into an argument!

jtbrother
Guest

No no. You are very sad. You would have to be to be so upset over someone praying for you. I feel sorry for you but I hope everyone prays for you.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

So if someone said F*** YOU, you would not be offended? That is what it is like when a theist says they will pray to a nonbeliever. But I guess you wouldn’t understand that with your self righteous arrogance, would you?

tomelora
Guest

I cannot imagine that there were not many atheist not crying out to God as the twin towers came crashing down all around them as they meet the end of their life. Knowing that you are going to die any moment and possibly facing something more than what we cannot see whether heaven or hell. There is always going to a what if .

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest
I can’t imagine that someone would imagine something he has know knowledge of and try to claim it to be a truth, but here we are with Christianity! And you are correct, there is always going to be a what if, but there will never be an answer to it while we are still alive. So why dwell on it when there are so many other things you could be doing that are more important to the benefit of mankind and it’s existence? I would rather gain knowledge and pass it on to future generations than pass on ignorance for… Read more »
dehydrated
Guest

Why don’t y’all protest against islam? The women and child rape and murder cult! Convert or die is their motto… I don’t see any of you protesting that! So maybe y’all are the hypocrites !!! I suppose to defend yourself you’ll make fun of my using y’all? Maybe if Christians acted like savages and started cutting heads off, your coward ass would shut up and leave them alone like you leave the muslims alone! Take your arrogant stink back to WI and stay there and leave these Americans alone!!!!

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest
Well first off, besides 9/11 and the recent beheading, the Muslims have not been a problem here in the states, so I will continue to oppose Chriatianity’s imposition on or youth and government. Second, it is not just the southern ignorance that we Confronting as there is just as much in the north. If you want to enhance your stereotype, keep commenting. Third, just because a group is from another state does not mean they can’t do things out of state. Your argument fails, because if they need to go back where they came from, so should your religion, the… Read more »
jtbrother
Guest

You are cowards that is why you don’t appose Islam. Cowards!

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

And you do? HAHA Backseat procrastinator at it’s finest! And do you have any proof I am a coward other than your own meaningless words?

jtbrother
Guest

Hahaha, just a couple of beheadings and a couple of building distroy killing 3K people and crashing several airplanes. Lol, that’s nothing to worry about. Ha. BTW, what exactly is “Chriatianity” anyway? See I can play that game as well. Such a silly argument.

Milton Platt
Guest

What christianity is depends on which particular christian you ask, doesn’t it???

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Would you like me to go into how many countries we have invaded and how many innocent civilians in those countries we have killed? Why are we not subject to the same kind of aggression we show towards others under the guise of Democracy?

You are now showing how little you do know and are just trolling yourself at this point! Have fun!

mikeb112
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you are beyond stupid. No one is forcing anyone to pray “along with them”. If you choose not to pray that is up to you and you alone. What part of tolerance don’t you understand? Or do you only tolerate what YOU deem is appropriate.
If I hated people who are Christians I would not associate with them, but to demand they stop sharing their spiritual thoughts and feelings are just stupid.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest
So you would just go along with it if it were a Muslim giving an Islamic prayer before the game? Or how about Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish or Satanic? Why do we have to listen to a prayer through a PA system when you can pray on your own? You are missing the point and the more you argue with me and others with common sense, the more stupid you sound. I can tolerate a lot, but the ignorance here is abundant and that should not be tolerated. Look what your beliefs are doing. Do you think we would be complaining… Read more »
John Mariner
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christians have the same freedom of speach as very one else, you ont like it, get the el out of the country. we are getting very tired of ths bullshit, i say lets have it out, who ever survives can have this country

Tri Cities Atheist Society
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And that is where your religious beliefs fail. Are you saying you Agee with Islam and how they handle non-believers in their faith? Because that is what it sounds like. Good for you and your ignorance. I will stick around and keep you entertained while combating the idiocy of your religion. No one is taking away your rights. You can still pray and read your bible and believe in imaginary friends. You just can’t force everyone else to do the same, as is the case with led prayer before a game. I am sure you would be in my shoes… Read more »
dehydrated
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This is a Christian founded country so if you don’t like living in a Christian founded country, leave! It’s pretty simple!

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

No it is not. It is a Christian stolen country. Native Americans were here first and your religion forced it’s way in. Our founding fathers were mainly discs and k we that church and state needed to be separated and that is why they came up with the 1st amendment. We have freedom of religion, not freedom of Christianity.

jtbrother
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Not true. Most signers of the Constitution were indeed Christians. Try reading a book. They only wanted to be sure that the FEDERAL government did not establish a religion. Praying does NOT establish a religion. I will never understand why you people are such haters.

jim becks
Guest

OK, here is a book I read:

The Faiths of The Founding Fathers, by Holmes

Here is what I learned: You are wrong. Most were not Christian although many had belief in a creator.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Can you prove that claim instead of telling me to read a book? Many have written about their distaste of the Christian religion, so your words fall on deaf ears.

And again with that word “haters”, I don’t think you know what it means and just use it after many times being told no one is being hated.

If you don’t understand the constitution, that is not my problem, you will just have to deal with people like me trying to educate you on the facts.

mikeb112
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No one is forcing YOU to do anything. You are just whining and being intolerant.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Mike, if prayer is said over loud speakers, you are indirectly forcing your beliefs on others. Having a moment of silence is a better choice and there would not have been an issue.

Please grow up and get education aged before speaking anymore. I would hate for all your friends to find out how truly dumb you are.

jim becks
Guest

So you want to kick our asses and the lady below wants us to be segregated. Is this what your religion teaches? You might kick our butts but fortunately we have a constitution that is designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

Debating Christians is too easy. It gets addictive. I better go clean my gutters.

Johnny Hauser
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If you really had a point to stand on, you wouldn’t need to resort to strawman arguments, like suggesting that anyone is forcing a stadium to participate in a prayer, or that atheists have been segregated in a comparable sense to that of black Americans prior to the Civil Rights Movement. In your case, I believe in segregation for you. When children misbehave, it’s common to put them in timeout or ground them so they can reflect on their poor behavior, then rejoin civil society where people are decent to one another. I’d be glad for you to separate your… Read more »
Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Do you really hear yourself when you condescending spew hate and try to say we do? At least my remarks are far less offensive and on point compared to Rush Limbaugh.

As far as the rest of your gibberish, do you not see thee hypocrisy in your comment? You don’t want us to take away your rights, which we are not doing, but you will try to take away ours and shut us up because we don’t believe in you fantasy. Good luck with that, you have shown less trance than anyone else here with half a brain.

Johnny Hauser
Guest

I’m sorry, I can’t understand troll language.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Hence why you should not be commenting.

Cindy Reschke Wundrow
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Cindy Reschke Wundrow

I do not want FFRF back in Wisconsin. They are an embarrassment to all of the good Christians living in Wisconsin. I wish they would move their organization out of our state. I do not “push” my faith on anyone and if I want to discuss it with someone in public, I will.

jim becks
Guest

BTW: They never left and just put up a huge expansion to their campus!

Cindy Reschke Wundrow
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Cindy Reschke Wundrow

Oh well. I guess I just keep praying for better days. :).

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Wow, great way of showing tolerance! You don’t want the atheists to take away your rights, which we don’t, but you will try to take away theirs because you don’t like them or understand them! Do you not see the hypocrisy?

jtbrother
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Of course you are trying to take away Christians rights. You want to be able to say anything hateful vulgar thing you wish and Christians are suppose to simply roll over and take it. Well, think again hater. We are not going to keep doing that.

Cindy Reschke Wundrow
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Cindy Reschke Wundrow

Their goal is to silence us from mentioning God’s name in public. I don’t care that atheists don’t believe in God; I truly don’t. This mockery of silencing everyone from expressing their thanks and love to God in public shows no tolerance.
We can argue about this until hell freezes over or until atheists cease to exist.
I hope you have a good day. Oh Jesus loves you too 🙂 Says so in my Bible…

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest
No one is silencing you, but you keep making this claim. You can proclaim in public all you want, you can’t make anyone listen to you that does not want to and doing that over a load speaker is telling everyone, “I don’t care what you believe or disbelieve, this is what I believe and you don’t matter”. Atheists will be around long after your religion dies, so you can either get with the program and start abiding by the constitution or you can argue with us until you die! Your choice, but the more you speak out about it,… Read more »
jtbrother
Guest

Be honest for once. You people will not be satisfied until there is never a mention of Christ anywhere.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

First off, where have I not been honest?

Second, why don’t you be honest and admit that you don’t know if your god may exist or not!

The biggest dishonesty is making absurd claims without backing them up!

And if Christ was never mentioned anywhere ever again, I would be happy and you would be as well, because you wouldn’t have to deal with rational people any longer!

jtbrother
Guest

Rational people? LOL, you keep me laughing I will say that at least. I know that God exist and you hate that we do. It really grates on you doesn’t it? LOL. No I wouldn’t be happy if Christ was never mentioned but I would be happy if you would come to know Christ in your heart. I really would. But that is your ultimate decision.

Milton Platt
Guest

Knowing requires evidence. please produce it.

jtbrother
Guest

Prove that he does not exist.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

//I know that God exist and you hate that we do.//

No you don’t and I have no reason to hate you! I hate religion, not the people in it! They are just sad deluded sheep that don’t know any better.

//It really grates on you doesn’t it?//

Not in the least! 😉

You will just have to be a sad man then, because it would be dishonest of me to lie to myself and others and start believing in imaginary friends. Thank you for your concern though, it is much appreciated!

jtbrother
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We know God is real because you make it obvious that Satan is real.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

WOW, that is the dumbest answer by far. No need talking to you anymore.

jtbrother
Guest

Typical response. That is fine because I am finished with you.

Cindy Reschke Wundrow
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Cindy Reschke Wundrow

I am not certain where you are going with this, but when someone tells me I better get with the program it means I need to be silent…. a threat.

Simply put: I have a belief in God and you do not.

Again, I wish you well. Have a good evening.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Getting with the program means to follow our constitution as it was written, not interpreting it your way so you can get around it and oppose it. You can believe what you want, but you can’t make me believe what you want and that is what they are indirectly trying to do! Now get with the program and abide by our constitution!

jtbrother
Guest

God comes before any man made law. But if I had time to fool with you I could give you many websites that would show you how ignorant you are in you hatred.

jim becks
Guest

You’ve got web sites! You must be one of them high falutin scholar types. You back it up with actual web sites.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Not doing a good job of being done with me, huh? And all the websites you provided would be biased and Christian based, so your point would be invalid. But yet again, I have to reiterated, I do not hate anyone and you are the one with all the hatred.

jim becks
Guest

You are obviously not qualified to state what our goal is so please don’t try.

If you really read and really tried to understand our position you wouldn’t be making these flippant generalizations.

Our goal is to enforce the constitutional separation of the state from the church, as per the founding fathers intent.

Plain and simple.

That means that no one’s religious beliefs should be promoted by my government and my tax dollars.

That means that the brakes need to be applied somewhere to keep our government from becoming a theocracy.

jtbrother
Guest

That has never happened and is not something that Christians want. However, praying in public is not establishing a religion which is what the founders wanted to not let happen. They never envision Satanist taking over the government and stopping citizens from praying in public.

jim becks
Guest

Again, the Supremes disagree with you.
Ben Franklin proposed they say a prayer at the constitutional convention. They shot him down. Don’t know why he suggested it since he was most certainly a Deist. Some say he was senile which would explain it.

jtbrother
Guest

I think YOU are senile. Read a book not written by an atheist for once in your life. Goodbye. I have no more time to fool with you. I WILL pray for you once again. I hope God will touch your soap one day before it is too late.

rayrickmond
Guest

Iam soo sick of People segregating themselves with racism or religion and they are the least tolerable whining pathetic a-holes out there .Screw all of you crybaby bitches !

jtbrother
Guest

I agree these hating whining atheist for pathetic.

Rebecca McWilliams McAfee Whee
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Rebecca McWilliams McAfee Whee

Well said! I admire them for not caving in!

Rebecca McWilliams McAfee Whee
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Rebecca McWilliams McAfee Whee

No one is FORCED to pray!! It’s VOLUNTARY!! The majority of the people there want it so back off!!

Mrs. Chief
Guest

Well I was raised in WI traveled the country as a Navy wife lived in Alabama for 11 years & in Dallas, GA for the last 13 years, AUBURN has my heart but that organization can suck rotten eggs, drop dead, go fly a kite & leave everyone alone! WAR EAGLE & I’ll root for Tennessee but I won’t wear that God aweful orange!

jtbrother
Guest

As I stated below, I feel really sorry for these poor tortured people. It must be so painful to have to listen to someone pray for protection of our players. They must live so sad lives. That must be so awful for them. And nothing to do but whine about someone praying? Let’s all pray for them ok?

jtbrother
Guest

And to think that we have been putting them though this for hundreds of years. Oh the agony.

jtbrother
Guest

Well if U.T. is forced to drop the prayer asking for protection of our players,

I hope that 100K people will stand up and pray out loud on their own.

Milton Platt
Guest

that is exactly how it should be and because it is not, the challenge was made to make it so.

jtbrother
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I know with that many people praying out loud it will be so painful for Christian haters. So sad for you.

cassie1655
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Why is it that we’ve yet to hear this same group, or any other atheist group, go after the Muslims who stop traffic on busy roadways, or public school class time, to pray? Never! If they hate Christians praying, i would think that by their same argument, their issue against ANY public praying should be directed towards the Muslims, too. **silence**, per usual. It’s time to forward the question to them and see how they respond!

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Show us where this is happening and we will be glad to do something about it! What are you doing about it?

cassie1655
Guest
i already did my homework, so now it’s your turn. Look at any city or town that has a mosque and you will find the streets, especially if it’s a large number of Muslims. Look at Dearborn, MI and NYC for starters. Now, you ask what i’m doing about it. As a Christian, why should i do something regarding another persons religious choice? i’ve put the challenge at your feet! If Atheists want to only pick on Christians, be fair and go after every other religion, too. What are YOU doing about Muslims being afforded to pray during school hours?… Read more »
Milton Platt
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anyone can pray in school, it simply cannot be led by school officials. as to picking on just christians, it is the largest religious sect in the nation at this time and is the one trying to impose laws and rules on those who do not share their beliefs. The United States is not a theocracy. But I can assure you that you can find plenty of articles and comments online from non believers concerned over the negative aspects of other religions. It is all the same crap, no matter which religion it is. What did YOU do when a… Read more »
jtbrother
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Coward

cassie1655
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It’s true that the government cannot tell children not to pray in school but the fact remains that many children have been told they cannot pray. There was a 5y/o child in FL who was told she couldn’t pray over her lunch. There was a group of high school kids who were told they could not pray around the American flag and other schools who banned Christian Clubs. There was a group of cheerleaders told they couldn’t pray, but they did anyway. Pastors have been told they can’t pray over a game or graduation. Christianity does remain first for religion… Read more »
Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Right, great hypocrisy! Have a good night!

cassie1655
Guest

Yeah, i thought so…

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

“As a Christian, why should i do something regarding another persons religious choice?”

When do you not butt into other peoples religious choice? That is all the Christians are doing in this country!

jtbrother
Guest

You are so full of it.

jim becks
Guest

All your little tweets really exhibit the intellectual heft of the theistic position. Keep em coming.

jtbrother
Guest

Because they are cowards.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

And what are you doing?

jim becks
Guest

Here is response from Americans United for Separation of Church and State:

It’s legal for public schools to allow Muslim students to pray five times a day, as long as students who belong to different religions aren’t denied the same right. The Supreme Court didn’t outlaw prayer in school, but rather coerced prayer and official endorsements of religion by school officials.

jim becks
Guest
I live in California. I have had no knowledge of cases of Muslims stopping traffic or stopping public school classes for Muslim prayer. However I just did a web search and found that these are cases where the school is allowing Muslims to use a room in school for their prayers and apparently those schools allow the Muslim kids out of class to pray. I think this is a good opportunity for the other religious kids to speak up and seek the same accommodation and let’s see that test case. I also just wrote to Americans United for their position… Read more »
jtbrother
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He lives in California. That explains everything. Don’t speak to us any longer. LOL

jim becks
Guest

Oh, I get it! I live in California and California is the land of the whacked out left coast liberals. So I shouldn’t speak any more because I’m from California!

That is some edgy fresh material. You should take that on the comedy circuit. Go to the Poconos.

cassie1655
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i found this link regarding NYC. They don’t just do their prayers at parade time, but other times, too. http://youtu.be/iu2U6MprDM4 Here is another link i found in Paris. http://youtu.be/e1Btc9qMALg You’re going to love this one…(not!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pa27qioBUM This is what is going on in Sydney, Australia: http://youtu.be/oYzP24J6A4E i’ve seen the pictures and videos of Muslims praying in the streets of just about every country that they have infiltrated. From Norway to Russia, they are raping the women and girls, destroying property of host countries, and reeking havoc everywhere they live. The UK is lost as Muslims have literally driven out the… Read more »
jim becks
Guest
Mind boggling how the disease of liberalism with its symptomatic mantras of cultural relativism and tolerance and diversity and blah blah has numbed western civilization into an acquiescence to the stain on the human race which is Islam as it runs slipshod over our culture and our identity. This is what happens when religion becomes more powerful than the secular government. France, England. The day when atheists and theists join hands to fight this monster may yet come. That would be the best scenario, the worst would be they just insidiously use our own ignorance and PC bullshit to take… Read more »
jtbrother
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Bla bla bla.

jim becks
Guest

You had me beat at Bla.
Then you threw in bla bla and it was like BAM, a knockout

cassie1655
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i always found it interesting that the liberals who push for ‘diversity’ have somehow missed the point that here in America, we already know about it! i mean, you can’t even be a toddler in preschool without learning that their little playmates are different for whatever reason! How stupid is all that? i couldn’t give a rats tushy what skin color someone is, or what religion they are, or if they are tall or short or fluffy or thin or whatever! It’s how people treat each other that counts in my book! As for atheists, they don’t get it that… Read more »
Milton Platt
Guest

So you have no respect for other cultures, and are unwilling to be tolerant of any beliefs that do not agree with your own?

Do you stand around bonfires on the weekends dressed in a sheet as well?

jtbrother
Guest

What a stupid statement from a stupid hater.

cassie1655
Guest
You don’t have a clue, do you, Milton? i have the knowledge that there are many different cultures that are all over this globe, but that doesn’t mean i, nor anyone else, has to respect OR tolerate each and every one of them. When you have any group of people that call for the death of others, who blatantly cut the heads off of others and then display them like a trophy, there will be NO respect OR tolerance from me! Have you watched any of those videos, Milton? Have you seen a beheading? Have you seen a father whose… Read more »
jim becks
Guest

Beats standing around devising fantasmagorical utterly disconnected responses to other people’s opinions.

jtbrother
Guest

You are so ridiculous with your hate.

cassie1655
Guest

Jim…thank you!

tomelora
Guest

What are atheist so afraid of since they believe there is no God? They would just be speaking into the wind and not hurting anyone.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

^^^It is comments like this that show how little people understand the actual problems and issues!

tomelora
Guest

Then please enlighten us. If mooslims were praying before a game would you have anything to say?

jim becks
Guest

Of course. Where does this notion that it’s a specifically anti-christian thing come from? Is it that the persecution complex that desertman50 talks about?

Would you like it if they were chanting allah akbar? Or would you just grab a rug and chant along since it’s just speaking into the wind and not hurting anyone since you don’t believe it?

Reading some of the info from cassie1655, this question may not be hypothetical much longer.

jtbrother
Guest

No but YOU are speaking into the wind.

Tri Cities Atheist Society
Guest

Yes we would! We would even protest Muslims praying before the games over a loud speaker as well!

jtbrother
Guest

No you wouldn’t because you are a whining coward.