God gets kicked out of the Air Force…and the NFL?

Hate to report the day after the 67th birthday of the US Air Force that air power has succumbed to the pressure of secular humanists. We originally reported on the “So help me God” assault to preclude members of the U.S. Air Force from being required to say the phrase during their enlistment oath. Just as a frame of reference, the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation is Mikey Weinstein, an Air Force Academy graduate. Also, the Army, Navy and Marine Corps all give enlistees the option to say “so help me God.”

The Washington Times says “a legal review of rules that required the phrase occurred after the American Humanist Association threatened to sue on behalf of an atheist airman. The unnamed airman at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada was denied re-enlistment Aug. 25 after crossing the phrase out of the oath.

“We take any instance in which Airmen report concerns regarding religious freedom — atheism is not a religion — seriously,” said Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James, Air Force Times reported Wednesday. The change in policy goes into effect immediately.

“We are pleased that the U.S. Department of Defense has confirmed our client has a First Amendment right to omit the reference to a supreme being in his reenlistment oath,” Monica Miller, an attorney with the AHA’s Appignani Humanist Legal Center, said in a statement Wednesday, Air Force Times reported. “We hope the Air Force will respect the constitutional rights of Atheists in the future.”

Hmm, I thought the first amendment stated “Freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof” — so again, am I missing something? When did atheism become a religion? It seems this group has interpreted the First Amendment to say “freedom FROM religion” but then again where in stating “so help me God” is anyone being forced to support a religion?

Ya know what I find interesting? Why aren’t we hearing more about Washington Redskins QB Robert Griffin III being forced by the NFL to turn his t-shirt inside out? As Fox News reports, “a uniform inspector from the NFL reportedly told Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III that he could not wear his “Know Jesus, Know Peace” T-shirt during a Sunday post-game press conference. Michael Phillips, a reporter from The Richmond Times-Dispatch, posted on Twitter that an NFL uniform inspector made the quarterback, known as RG3, turn the shirt inside out before the press conference. The reason: it was not a Nike product, Phillips reported. CSN Washington reported that a Redskins spokesperson denied reports that RG3 was forced to flip the shirt by the NFL. The spokesperson said RG3 flipped the shirt on his own to avoid a possible fine. CSN cites NFL bylaws that state a player cannot wear clothing that sends a personal message on game days.” Unfortunately there was another player on the scene with a non-Nike t-shirt.

So, as we reported “so help me God” is part of U.S. statute but hey — what difference at this point does it make? I guess the NFL bylaws must be adhered to — or else — and in this case, no first amendment right of “Freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof”…or freedom of expression.

Maybe if ol’ Roger Goodell had more players wear a t-shirt like RG III there might be be less domestic abuse? Just sayin…

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Carl Collins Jr.
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Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution and the First Amendment of same disagrees with you Mr. West. REQUIRING a religious oath as a PREREQUISITE to government service is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Noone is saying one may not take a religious oath, only that it cannot be REQUIRED. You know that, of course but continue to play this up for your own gain. You took an oath to support and defend that Constitution just as I did. Only a dishonorable man would disregard that oath for personal gain.
Mr. West, you are a dishonorable man.

disqus_aiRsA0M0jO
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the dishonorable man is you.. get over it…

dimensio
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You are confusing an issuance of baseless insults, which you have done, with logically refuting Carl Collins Jr.’s statement, which you have not.

Carl Collins Jr.
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Can you explain how I am being dishonorable?

TBP100
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How dare the AF comply with the Constitution? It’s an outrage!

Philanthropussy
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Damn American courts that side with God less atheist.

Carl Collins Jr.
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The courts sided with the Constitution not the atheists. Can you explain your opposition to allowing an affirmation instead of an oath?

Philanthropussy
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None. But it’s not an affirmation

Carl Collins Jr.
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That’s the point of the whole article – troll.

Philanthropussy
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To you, but not to West, Troll lover

Paul Sheridan
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“where in stating “so help me God” is anyone being forced to support a religion?”

It’s right in the middle there, between the “so” and the period at the end. It’s the part where you ask god for help in keeping your oath.
I’m not going to post a link but Patrick Vaughn, who is the general counsel for the American Family Association (I know right?) wrote a good article on why this policy should be equally offensive to religious believers and nonbelievers.

canucksam
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Religion, n. – Belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods; a particular system and worship. Atheists have no belief in a personal God or gods nor do they worship one. Has the IRS exempted them from taxation as a religious body? They have no defining place in which to worship because they worship no deity. My question is – what, exactly, are they besides so fearful of our God that they go out of their way to constantly harass and attack our Christian beliefs?

Paul Sheridan
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It’s not an attack on your religion if other people don’t want to say “so help me God” you nitwit. You can still say it all you want, print it on a t-shirt, put it on a billboard if you like. You just can’t make other people say it as a condition of keeping their jobs.

canucksam
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Typical liberal who has to resort to name calling.

Carl Collins Jr.
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Ok, I’ll ask the question. How is your religion being attacked here?

Paul Sheridan
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I call ’em like I see ’em. If you’re intolerant of other people’s religious liberties then I see no reason to be polite to you.

ibelieveinfreedom2
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Intolerant of other people’s religious liberties? Really? Who is it that makes all the complaints about manger scenes at Christmas time and crosses that mark grave sites? I call ’em like I see ’em too, and you are two-faced, lying hypocrite stooge of the socialist left.

melfarmer
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There is no reason to really get upset. If they choose to omit that part in their oath, it’s no big deal to us. Yes, we would love for them to worship God, for their benefit, not ours, but God gave us all free will to either accept or reject Him. As for the men and women going off to war, they have a God watching over them. Does that mean that they won’t die while over there, absolutely not, nor does it mean that a non-believer will die over there either, it just means that they (believers) have a… Read more »
Carl Collins Jr.
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There is every reason to “get upset” and it has nothing to do with religion. REQUIRING a religious act as a prerequisite to government service is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
What is so hard to understand about that?

melfarmer
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Umm, not sure what part of my comment you’re not understanding. I said people have every right to decide to accept or not accept God. That is every free persons right. What is so hard for you to understand about what I said?

Carl Collins Jr.
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The part about no reason to get upset. Why the Constitution is assaulted there is every reason to “get upset”.

melfarmer
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By the way, I certainly hope you are just as pissed off about the president, AG, and Congress’ abuse of the Constitution as you are about the religion part.

Carl Collins Jr.
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I’ll tell you what else burns me. All the so-called Christian Conservatives, posting in support of a religious requirement, who are so self righteous but neither Christian nor Conservative. They are no better than the Taliban.

melfarmer
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Wow…that’s some pretty harsh judgement on all Christian Conservatives..especially since I doubt you know every single one of them.

Carl Collins Jr.
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Allen West passes himself off as “Steadfast and Loyal”, a warrior for the Constitution. He does this stupid stuff just to garner personal attention and gain. He knows perfectly well that the oath requirement is unconstitutional yet repeatedly hypes it as some sort of assault on Christians which it is clearly not. That is what burns me. He dishonors the uniform.
Of course I’m offended by all the others but West especially so.

melfarmer
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Well, I see that, but I’m sorry, I find it strange that you are more mad at him then you are the blatant disrespect that our leaders are doing on a daily basis to our Constitution..at least Mr. West isn’t shredding every day.

Carl Collins Jr.
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Maybe it’s just because I respected the man only to discover him a charlatan.

melfarmer
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Carl, I think you were really just misunderstanding my comment when I said that. And, I might add, was not directed at you.

Paul Sheridan
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I don’t know who complains about that stuff. But it’s not me, dummy. So maybe you and the militant atheists can go live on an island somewhere and just leave the rest of us alone.

Brendan
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Atheists are not attacking Christians.
Upholding the Constitution and preventing Christians from forcing religion on others is not an attack.
Atheists are not trying to close churches and they are not trying to force you to not believe.

Atheists are no more fearful of God than you are of the tooth fairy.
Atheism is NOT a religion.

melfarmer
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Brendan, may I ask you, why did you like Col. Wests page to begin with? It is quite obvious that you do not agree with any of the stories he posts or shares, so I was just wondering why you take the time to read the things he posts.

Brendan
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I believe in confronting those that would tear this country down

melfarmer
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Then may I suggest that you start with the people in our government?

Brendan
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Mr West proves, once again, why he does not belong in politics. The incident with the football player being told to turn his shirt inside-out was all about the NFL’s contract with Nike and had absolutely nothing to do with attacking religion. If the player was wearing a t-shirt for a pop band, he would have been forced to turn it inside-out too. That story is about a contract between two corporations. Are you finally coming out against corporations Mr West? As to the Air Force following the Constitution… you are deliberately misleading… again. “So help me God” has not… Read more »
sendtheclunkerbacktochicago
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sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

The NFL has succumed to the idoicy of Political Correctness and it makes me sick to my stomach. They are giving in to a very SMALL minority.

Joy Beum
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As the impeachment gets underway, all this will be cleaned up. So smile and be reassured. God is in control.

elle
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Not so sure on impeachment but yes the most high is and always has been in control. We can smile and be happy and reassured that His way is what will be. WE DO NOT ALWAYS UNDERSTAND why what happens does happen, but we know that it is his will, it will be.

Jim
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I agree with the Impeachment but I question some of the discussion.What you are saying has some merit.I believe that God Gave humans the ability to make choices,learn and figure out how they wanted to live.Look at thw world today.So many different opinions,beliefs and people dieing because they happened to be in the wrong place.. Cristians will tell you what the Bibele says “wars and rumors of wars” etc anouncing the end of time…We should decide for ourselves,how we want to live and work at it…Let God decide when Our Time is up.

Carl Collins Jr.
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Can you explain how this will be “cleaned up”? Do you believe only Christians should serve in the military? Please consider this… Requiring a non religious or one of a different religion to swear an oath to the Christian god is blasphemy. If you do not understand that word look it up. Taking God’s name in vain is exactly that. So you believe blasphemy is appropriate? Perhaps you believe in forced conversion. Exactly what is your objection to allowing an affirmation or an oath?

elle
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You should probably look it. Saying So Help Me God is not blasphemy. It is not abusive speech and has no abusive meaning attached to it. Those four words at the end of an enlistment oath to defend and protect our country is in no way taking our Lord’s name in vain. You are confused on this.

Carl Collins Jr.
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elle, here is the definition of vain: 1. having no real value : idle, worthless 2. marked by futility or ineffectualness : unsuccessful, useless 3. archaic, foolish, silly 4. to no end : without success or result Now, try and stay with me here… Requiring someone who does not believe in a god to take an oath to a god is rather pointless. The oath is without meaning i.e in vain. since the oath is not to a generic god, one may safely assume the god in question is the Christian one. Therefore, requiring an atheist to swear to God… Read more »
elle
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You’re about 100 yds out, but if you are comfortable with your position so be it, although contradictory towards yourself. If West fully supports the oath and you do as well, then you are committing blasphemy just as you claim he is. I understand your perspective but there are a few problems with it. That fact that you support the affirmation as an option is of no consequence and does not place you into some other category absent West. Don’t know what his position is on the affirmation, it’s not clear in the couple of blog posts he has made… Read more »
Carl Collins Jr.
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“That’s just my response to you from the God perspective. The constitutional perspective is another discussion all on it’s own ”

In this instance, the Constitutional perspective is the opnly one that counts since this is a Constitutional question not a religious one. Why do you keep clouding the issue with all the religious rhetoric?

elle
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Carl Collins Jr. DON’T EVEN TRY IT. If you say West is blasphemous then YOU are the the one who “clouds” the issue with religious rhetoric. YOU. My reply to you: MAKE NO MISTAKE HERE CARL COLLINS JR., IS TO YOUR CHARGE OF BLASPHEMY TO WEST – which you and YOU alone have made. Either respond to what I wrote or go seek guidance. PLEASE UNDERSTAND: There are two rivers that flow here. One is the river of the Constitution. The other is the GREATER RIVER OF GOD WHICH IS THE MOST RIGHTEOUS RIVER KNOWN and SUPERSEDES ALL. GOD’s River… Read more »
Carl Collins Jr.
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“Continue to argue against me and you will continue to argue against our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ. ”

So now you are God? Satan is going to love taking you home…

elle
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Those given over to a reprobate mind have minds that are devoid of good judgment. Like you. They continually chose evil and deceive themselves into believing their evil is good. Like how you accuse someone of blasphemy despite the fact that it is YOU who is guilty of this. In your evil ways you seek to discredit, but it is you that needs discrediting. I SEE YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE. Keep fighting little demon from hell, you have no power here, go back where you came from. The very mention of the name Jesus Christ makes you sick. Go… Read more »
dimensio
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Insulting Carl Collins Jr. will not actually refute his statements.

I do understand that you may be extremely frustrated at your inability to logically defend your intellectually bankrupt advocacy of an Unconstitutional mandate, but you should be aware that insulting those who disagree with your position does not serve as a valid substitute for a rational argument in support of your position.

elle
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I should be aware lol? Look dimensio my discussion with Carl Jr. was about blasphemy. He brought it up, not me. But I called him on it because he was wrong. Then he comes back to me asking why am I clouding the issue with religion LOL! False teaching and false teachers of scripture and religion never like it when someone takes them to task. But HE is the one, not I who got frustrated and could NOT make any answer to me. Demonic minds hate it when you put them up against a brick wall – they can’t do… Read more »
elle
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No you misunderstand. Continue to do as you are as you will offend our Lord, and have I think already done so.

Are you without? Are you? Are you without sin? Do not boast of yourself and how righteous you are. This is shameful in the eyes of our Lord. Stop doing it now. Do not attack me.

Carl Collins Jr.
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Please seek professional help.

elle
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Don’t be a coward demon. I have dealt with the likes of you many times. I know you.

Carl Collins Jr.
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I can’t tell if you are being willfully ignorant of if you are insane. Your religion does not supercede the Constitution in this matter. Since I honored my oath and West didn’t, it should be pretty clear who is the problem.
Why do you continue to bring religion into this conversation – with increasing self righteousness – when the issue is a Constitutional one?
You’re a lunatic.

Carl Collins Jr.
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“What do you want West to do? Do you want him to not support “So help me God” or what?”

I want West to honor his oath to support and defend the Constitution. That’s what I want.

Carl Collins Jr.
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West, in several articles, indicates his support for a mandatory religious oath for government service. It isn’t the oath that is the problem, its the mandatory part. THAT is unconstitutional. Blasphemy on West’s part is in not honoring the oath he took before God. The oath was to support and defend the Constitution. I honored my oath, and do to this day. As long as an alternative to the religious oath is offered, the Constitution is satisfied and I am too. There is nothing anti religious, anti Christian or in the least bit hateful in any of that. Allen West… Read more »
Paul Sheridan
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You’re planning to impeach the first amendment?

Joy Beum
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The first amendment gives me the right to speak up and to pray in public if I wish or to wear a “Jesus loves you” shirt.
More good news…it also gives you the right to avoid listening and to state your opinion.
However, it does NOT give people the right to be rude and intolerant of others’ beliefs.
Would you like to recite a poem of some kind? Go ahead. I can choose to listen or not listen.

Paul Sheridan
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It actually DOES give people the right to be rude and intolerant of others’ beliefs. All it does is prevent the government from favoring one religion over another or religion in general over the absence of religion. It doesn’t say anything at all about what individual people, corporations, or the NFL can do in their own time.

sendtheclunkerbacktochicago
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sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

Those that spent the time to write the Constitution where holding Christian Church services in the House of Representatives so I believe that they didn’t see any conflict between government and religion. It is only of late that secularists got their panties all in a wad that this crap of separating government from religion had its start. They need to be put back in their place, the crap hole that crawled out of.

Paul Sheridan
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This “crap of separating government from religion had its start” at least as early as 1879 when the Supreme Court ruled in Reynolds v. United States that Jefferson’s comments about a wall of separation between church and state “may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment.” So if you want to put people back in their place you’re going to need a time machine.

Joy Beum
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This country was founded on the belief that there is a supreme being and we call him God. We swear on a Bible, as it is sacred to MOST people. If you do not want to swear on a Bible, you CAN refuse and accept whatever the consequences may be. This is not a country of atheists, so you are in the minority. The majority rules…just like with voting and many other aspects of life. You can do whatever you want on your own time, UNLESS you are in the position of being a role model for our youth. In… Read more »
Brendan
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we are a nation of laws, not majority rule.

Paul Sheridan
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We’re in near perfect agreement. The only part I would clarify is that even if you’re a role model you can still do whatever you want. You just need to be prepared for the professional and personal consequences that may come your way.
So what is it you want to fix by impeaching somebody? I assume you mean Obama but maybe you want to impeach John Roberts or someone else.

Sarah Winters
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This irritates me religion is a belief system so a atheist does have a religion which is protected by the 1st amendment regardlessof your own views of it. How this sounds is unless you pray to a God it’s not religion. That is nuts. Plenty of people don’t believe in a religion but are just spiritual. And a lot of in god under god were added to things in the 1950s. It’s just like you don’t have to swear to tell the truth on a bible or say so help me god after. Why not everyone believes in God or… Read more »
aGrimm
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Atheism is a belief system with its core tenet being there is no God. The opposite belief system is Theism – the belief there is a God. One of the definitions of religion is, “any object of conscientious regard and pursuit.” I have yet to find an Atheist who does not see their belief system as an object of conscientious regard and pursuit. Ergo, Atheism, by definition, is a religion whether the atheist wishes to acknowledge it or not. Atheists may not go to a church to practice their religion, but they certainly practice their religion in other venues –… Read more »
sendtheclunkerbacktochicago
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sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

There is a special day set aside for Atheist – April 1st every year. God calls folks who “believe in their heart that their is no God – FOOLS.” He sure hit the nail on the head with that one.

Brendan
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You’re argument that atheism is a religion.
You are suggesting that a belief in nothing is a form of belief, therefor a religion.
It is an absurd reaching semantic argument.

But it is like saying that starvation is a form of eating because eating nothing is a form of eating.

Flee Babylon
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It’s not that atheists believe in nothing. It’s that they don’t necessarily believe in God. They may believe in science or themselves, so your argument falls short.

Cory Ayres
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Science isn’t a religion you need goto back to elementary school and learn some vocab

Flee Babylon
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You dodged my counterpoint with with an unrelated issue. Typical of a non-critical thinker.

TheCryptoCoinTipster
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He never said that science is a religion. You need to go back to school and learn reading comprehension.

garyamusic .
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Brendan, Grimm is pointing out that not believing is a belief and that by “definition” it’s a religion. If you can’t handle the definition, then contact Websters and try to get it changed. The mere fact that you’re here defending your beliefs and trying to convince others of them also eludes to your “religious” belief……………..in nothing.

Oh……….and by the way, he never said “form of”, that’s on you.

cooderhole
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Hate Hate Hate Wow. That’s all this article has done. Smooth move ALLEN

Carl Collins Jr.
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Stirring the masses for his own personal gain was the whole point.

David
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I’d like Allen West to explain something. How does he square oath taking as a requirement to be in the military or in elected office with Christ’s admonition in Matthew 5:33-37 to not take oaths of any kind? It’s unambiguous and right there in black and white. If someone wants to understand Allen West all they have to do is read this –
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2011/04/william-norman-grigg/has-the-militarist-right-found-its-new-warlord/

melfarmer
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David, you obviously do not understand what that Scripture really means. And, I don’t agree wirh Mr. West, if people don’t want to take the oath, God is a Gentleman, and will certainly look the other way on those people. So, although sad, it’s their free will to deny God.

David
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So please enlighten me about that scripture. I’ve read it every way possible through the lens of countless translations and the original text. People tend to believe what they want to believe. That doesn’t always make it the truth however. It’s interesting the Christians who lived in the first three centuries never, NEVER once were recorded as taking oaths. Find me one example in early church writings and I’d be happy to apologize. Besides, even if it was okay to take oaths I’d never pledge one to a constitution that permitted the murder of roughly three thousand babies each day… Read more »
melfarmer
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I agree, I would not take any oaths that were contrary to God’s word either. I do believe when you are in court and swear on a Bible, you are taking an oath not to lie. Nor when you take an oath to uphold the United States Constitution. I do not believe God has a problem with oaths, the problem arises when people takes those oaths with the lie already in their hearts, meaning, not to uphold those oaths. The Founding Fathers of this great country took oaths, and I do believe that up until years ago, God blessed this… Read more »
David
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All oaths are contrary to God’s word. What is so difficult about understanding that? “….but I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by the heaven, for it is the throne of God;” As far as everything else you said….it’s nonsense. American exceptionalism is utter crap. If the “founding fathers” had intended this country to be Christian you would think that the documents they wrote (the declaration, constitution) would use the words God and Jesus Christ. They don’t. Only some nebulous “creator”. If you want to take an oath to a constitution in which 95% of the words are… Read more »
melfarmer
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And, I might add. When people get married, they are taking an oath. Do you not agree with marriage if you disagree with pledging an oath?

melfarmer
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Well, David what I find so difficult to understand is why you fixate on one Scripture that says what you want it to say, while overlooking all other Scriptures about swearing and taking oaths. Matthew 5:33-37, says when you take an oath, to let your yes be a yes, and your no, be a no; anything more comes from evil. Which means, don’t swear to something then do the complete opposite. It would be a lie, and you’d be committing a sin. Here’s a few more Scriptures on oaths: Numbers 30:2 Hebrews 6:13 Deuteronomy 23:21-23 Hebrews 6:17 Matthew 23:18-22 Hebrews… Read more »
Carl Collins Jr.
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melformer do you understand Article 6 of and the First Amendment to the United States Constitution?

melfarmer
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Yes

dimensio
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As Article VI of the United States Constitution explicitly declares that religious tests may not be applied as a qualification to any public trust under the United States, any person who believes that the phrase “so help me God” should be a mandatory, rather than an optional, statement in an oath of enlistment demonstrably holds the United States Constitution in contempt.

Do you believe that the phrase “so help me God” should be a mandatory, rather than an optional, statement in an oath of enlistment?

melfarmer
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I believe everyone should have their right to either say it or not say it. I mean, let’s be real. The president said it when he took the oath as president, I think we can all agree that he clearly did not mean it when he said it. So, I would have preferred he not had not taken the oath and said, “So help me God.”

dimensio
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Are you saying, then, that you do not object to the change in policy?

melfarmer
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What I’m saying is that if I believe God gave us Free Will to accept or reject Him, then, yes, I agree that if you choose not to say, “So help me God,” that is your choice. Just don’t take it away from the ones who do wish to say it.

Dan Schumann
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Unfortunately atheists won’t be going here – http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/new-paradise-you-will-be-made-of-a-pure-body-incorruptible-free-from-disease-physical-death-and-ageing/ unless they turn to Jesus before it’s too late. It’s simple – http://howtosaveyoursoulandthoseofothers.com/ The soul goes on for all of Eternity. It will either wind up in Heaven or Hell. Atheism will lead the soul to Hell. Wake up before it’s too late i.e. when you die… for then it will be Surprise, Surprise – there is a God, and he’s pissed at you… This world and you are not an accident. It’s Divine Creation.

Carl Collins Jr.
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What has that to do with requiring a religious act for government service?

Dan Schumann
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Divine Creation requires an oath to acknowledge that as our founding fathers acknowledged.

dimensio
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The Constitution of the United States of America, which was authored by the Founders to whom you refer, explicitly declares that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States”.

Are you able to explain the apparent contradiction between your assertion and observable reality?

Carl Collins Jr.
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Divine creations requires an oath to a deity as a prerequisite to government service? Really? Can you point that article of the Constitution out for me?

Cory Ayres
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Narcissistic fucks like you give me a good laugh. He hasn’t come back in 2,000 years? what makes you think your so special that he would return Dan your assumptions are based on a 2,000 year old book a jewish fairy tales. You can sit blindly and ignore the facts but there is no mention of Jesus anywhere except jewish religious text and christian religious text. Why didn’t the Romans write about Jesus? Your statement goes against everything your religion teaches The pope himself said Atheist can goto Heaven so once again your wrong. I think the pope knows more… Read more »
Dan Schumann
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Here’s a message from your Divine Creator for you – http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/god-the-father-last-call-to-atheists/ It’s never too late to turn back to God while you’re alive in this life. However, once you die it’s too late. Do it now while you still have time. It’s simple – http://howtosaveyoursoulandthoseofothers.com/

Guest
Guest

Divine Creation requires an oath to acknowledge that as our founding fathers did.

Linda D
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God visited me in my home March 25, 2013. You better make sure there’s no God. My faith is confirmed by this visit.

Jim
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Cory..If your Momma happened to read you statements ,Bad Language and all …the first thing she would think is where did I go wrong.

elle
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The Roman Tacitus wrote about Jesus and his execution by Pontius Pilate. This writing is widely accepted as confirmation and authentic by most scholars. It is a non-Christian text, Roman. Just saying.

elle
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cory find out the difference between Christian and Catholic. Just cause the pope says it don’t make it true.

Brenda Golden
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You just keep thinking that. You give me a good laugh.

melfarmer
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No, actually the pope is wrong! And there is a quote in the Bible that even says in the end days people would be saying exactly what you just said about His coming back. But, I know that doesn’t mean anything to you. And, you are wrong, all other religions talk about Jesus, it’s just that they all claim He was just a Prophet, not God in the Flesh. Why are you so angry? Why call Dan such vile names? If you don’t believe the way he does, why do you hate him enough to talk to him that way?… Read more »
Ranger
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It isn’t about religion or any other position of any freedom of speech. The whole process is about CONTROL!! Of what you can say, think, do, and how you live, PERIOD! You are SLAVES!! Still today with more evidence than a hot smoking gun in the hands of the shooter standing over a dead body with bullet holes in it, the American public are still blind, deaf, and sound asleep about what has been done to them. The mere FACT that Blacks and Whites still argue and fight about something so idiotic as slavery from the past, are clueless that… Read more »
Carl Collins Jr.
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Oh shut up.

elle
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so what’s your point Ranger? just messing with ya 🙂

there are a lot of people in America that are not slaves and are not ruled by all the distractions. we see them for what they are. but yes for the most part evil rules, in many ways.

Jim
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The thing that perpetuates the Black and white problem are The Radical speakers like Hoesah Williams and Jessie Jackson to name two.Then the youth think it is cool to TALK as if they had a 2nd grade education,thinking it is sheek or popular,Might be But It won’t get you a job so you can make your own way .”Don’t bite the hand that feeds you” Don’t rock the boat”There is enough for everybody..work at your life,don’t leave it to somebody that don’ t know you.. Think for yourself., Go to school,get a job,work hard,make your own way…every body else has… Read more »
Stibbs11
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ISIS prays to G-d, who will save your asp when the time comes?
You
don’t really need atheists in the armed forces, certainly not spit disturbers
who can not even take a simple oath to re-join no less.

Find him 4F or a 7.62 solution (5.56 is too small).

dimensio
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Prohibiting atheists from service in the United States military is a violation of Article VI, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution.

Advocating violence against atheists is demonstrative of psychopathy.

Michael Swenson
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Since the worldview of atheism has no rational support whatsoever, it requires the most faith to believe in of all the religions known to mankind. Anyone calling themselves an atheist therefore; should not be allowed to wield a weapon (allowed in the military) on the grounds that there is serious reason to question their sanity. (And on those same grounds anyone bringing such ridiculous cause of action should have their torts summarily dismissed as the frivolous nonsense that they are). https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-swenson/evolution-and-atheism-intertwined-religions-of-the-insane/492209810857983 and https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-swenson/satanilevil-god-of-this-world-vs-the-one-true-god-of-all-creation-part-2/633572213388408 If the people now living in America don’t want to honor the principles our nation was founded… Read more »
Carl Collins Jr.
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Hopefully you are trolling and don’t really believe any of that. Requiring a religious act as a criteria for government service is unconstitutional under Article 6 and the First Amendment.

Michael Swenson
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The First Amendment is freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Those who think separation of church and state is part of our Constitution, obviously have not read it. Article 6 leaves us to define just waht is a “religious test”? the very act of statism could easily be construed as such. Choosing to reference a higher power; especially THE HIGHEST POWER, when invoking an oath; has been in practice since the origin of our nation. Those who cannot or will not are always free do so, but what serious intent can exist when one is unwilling to even acknowledge… Read more »
Carl Collins Jr.
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“prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion” “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States”

Carl Collins Jr.
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Leaves us to define religious test? Don’t be absurd.
You have lost your grasp on rationality. People like you are why America came to be in the first place. To get away from you.

Michael Swenson
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Sorry to disillusion you: but you need to look at the evidence. Our founders CLEARLY supported the Christian Faith as oaths of office were to God and sworn on the Holy Bible ubiquitously https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-swenson/original-intent-of-the-religious-clause-of-the-first-amendment/553723191373311 but you are probably one of the many who in their ignorance THINK they are like our founders who made America great; but are in fact ruining it. http://www.blastthetrumpet.org/PublicLetters/AAAUpdatedPublicAlertsMattersofLifeandDeath/THE%20PLANNED%20DEMORALIZATION%20OF%20AMERICA.pdf

Carl Collins Jr.
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Are you willfully ignorant or just a troll?

Carl Collins Jr.
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“prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion” “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States” Don’t be obtuse.

Carl Collins Jr.
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Michael, ignorance and arrogance are an ugly combination.
What you think the founders thought is irrelevant. The Constitution clearly prohibits requiring any religious act or test as a prerequisite for public service in the Sixth Article and First Amendment both. Aside from that, why do you support blasphemy? Taking God’s name in vain is blasphemy. An unsubstantiated oath to God by one who is not a believer is, by definition, vain. There is no probably to it, you are one of the many who think your religious beliefs trump the Constitution. They do not.

Michael Swenson
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You are missing the points of my comments entirely. WHILE IT IS NOT REQUIRED, NO ONE SHOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM CALLING UPON OUR CREATOR TO AIDE THEM IN ANY RIGHTEOUS CAUSE “SO HELP ME GOD” let’s all the rest of us know that the person at least acknowledges there is one (unlike the deceived and self-deluded who now exist due to https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-swenson/brainwashing/643617432383886); done by very wicked persons who are socially engineering the masses and churning out people who no longer know or even are willing to acknowledge the GOD of all Creation, the ONE who governs not just the affairs… Read more »
Carl Collins Jr.
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You have no point. Please get some help.

Michael Swenson
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https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-swenson/evidence-of-god-our-creator/568134419932188 It is apparent that our founders recognized the ONE TRUE GOD, and deemed that those who did NOT were not just enemies of GOD, but of our nation. IF you are an enemy of our Creator, it is you who need help. https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-swenson/some-quotes-and-thoughts-how-precious-is-freedom/519180841494213 You should TRY reading my citations and LOOKING AT THE FACTS BEFORE continuing to show your ignorance and foolishness to the whole world. http://biblehub.com/proverbs/18-13.htm

Carl Collins Jr.
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It’s apparent that you have no clue about the Founders or history. You and those irrational individuals like you are precisely what the founders were escaping.
I suggest you move to the Middle East and argue with the equally irrational over who has the “ONE TRUE GOD”.

Michael Swenson
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You intentionally disseminate misinformation and any knowledgeable person can easily see that you are the one who is in massive ignorance of not only the founding fathers and their original intent, but of most everything in general. http://sonsoflibertymedia.com/2014/10/founding-fathers-believed-homosexuality/ It is apparent that you are among those who are in fact the enemies of America. As everything you have stated opposes the very foundations of our nation. May you and all like you either repent of your abominations or find yourselves removed from the planet for the welfare of all sane souls. http://www.blastthetrumpet.org/PublicLetters/AAAUpdatedPublicAlertsMattersofLifeandDeath/THE%20PLANNED%20DEMORALIZATION%20OF%20AMERICA.pdf I have no intention of letting internet trolls… Read more »
Carl Collins Jr.
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Do the voices talk to you constantly or do you ever have moments of sanity? Just curious…

TheCryptoCoinTipster
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Your lack of understanding regarding atheism is severe. Atheism requires no faith at all. It is based on valid, provable reason and science. Even Martin Luther was aware of the threat to religion that reason posed: “Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has: it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but–more frequently than not –struggles against the Divine Word”. In other words he is saying to totally forget reason, because it trumps faith. You can’t have reason and faith. To say that a belief in reason and science is a reason to question a person’s sanity is… Read more »
Michael Swenson
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Exactly! “reason is the greatest enemy that faith has…” if atheists were in any way reasonable, they would not have faith in something that contradicts everything that exists! help people not to present themselves as http://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-swenson/mentally-challenged/575010789244551 by teaching the Truth! http://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-swenson/evidence-of-god-our-creator/568134419932188 and http://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-swenson/the-sufferings-of-christ-a-treatise-on-repentance-and-forgiveness/556880667724230 While I disagree that reason and faith are enemies in any way, I simply reference the quote and connotation to state that atheists actually have more unreasonably and unsubstantiated faith than all other worldviews combined, because to believe that there is no Creator, requires denial of the existence of all Creation. To maintain an atheistic worldview, you… Read more »
Jim
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Tipster…You go to great lengths to explain Faith,Religion ,God and such as that.Have you ever been in a war? surrounded by enemys? Have you ever been hurt bad and relized you might not live?
You see..Faith In SOMETHING is better than no faith .If you think you are about to die,you will find faith and guess what…you will pray and be greatful that others ar doing it too..I don’t advocate what you should believe in,just that everybody needs something to believe in..even you pardner.

Carl Collins Jr.
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Nonsense. Clearly you have never seen actual combat and have no clue about the Constitution..

Brenda Golden
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According to the Supreme Court atheism is a religion. What they really are is a bunch of gutless wonders that want everyone to bow down to them because thet believe they are God. Hate to break it to ya’ll but you are not God and people are getting tired of the govt bowing down to you.

Carl Collins Jr.
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What has all that hyperbole to do with requiring a religious act as a prerequisite to government service?

Dan Schumann
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This country was founded on the principals of a Divine Creator ergo an oath is required to him. Here’s a message from your Divine Creator for you – http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/god-the-father-last-call-to-atheists/

dimensio
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Article VI, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution explicitly prohibits requiring a religious test as a qualification for any public trust or office under the United States.

For what reason do you hold the United States Constitution in contempt?

Carl Collins Jr.
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Dan, either you are a troll or you have lost all grasp of reality.
In either case, please seek professional help.

Guest
Guest

Maybe Nike needs to come out with some scripture inspired tee shirt designs. Then the shirt wouldn’t have to be turned inside out lol! I know he Jewish ?) but hey it’s all about the $$$$ right?

Kat50
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Atheist will never see heaven only hell. As far a RG3 where that shirt with pride. I like what it says. I am so sick of these stupid people who always take away freedom of religion. Being atheist is not or never will be called a religion. How can it be they don’t worship anything. How about they are worshiping a rock or something.

cooderhole
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They do. It’s called the burning man./Wicker man. In this country..