Amazing video: Marines song will uplift your soul

Oh boy, this here video is surely going to send the head chucklehead of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, Mikey Weinstein, into a apoplectic state of frothing hysteria. And you can imagine that the leadership of the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation is running about gnashing their teeth and tearing at their clothes. This video taken at Camp Pendleton shows U.S. Marines at a Christian worship service singing the upbeat Christian song, “Days of Elijah.” And as you will see, they are very enthusiastic about the song.

As reported by The Blaze, “A description of the video, which was first posted to Facebook Sunday by a woman named Merrie Pardee Baldwin, reads, “Participatory worship. I love how excited the men get to sing this song & the camaraderie.” Baldwin posted the video again Monday on the Facebook page for the Caruso Memorial Chapel at Camp Pendleton, giving a little more information about the clip’s origins. “This is one of my favorite things about coming each month for the Faith Warrior service,” she wrote. “I love to see the camaraderie & how participatory worship is. They bless me MUCH more than they know.”

And this blessed me as well. You see, I truly don’t worry about America. What I am concerned about are the sheep who lead these lions.

Enjoy the video and please pray these young Marines — who volunteered to serve — have the freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof, especially since they stand as the sentinels protecting that right for us all.

Be careful, you progressive socialists, about complaining about this. I’m sure y’all supported repealing “Don’t ask, don’t tell.”

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TVEXECUTIVE
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God bless them all. God bless America.

Betty4440
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AND AMERICA BLESS GOD AGAIN.

Yodajazzcat
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Actually, America needs to turn back and start blessing God. Then we will see things change. Not until.

Betty4440
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AMEN.

Jackie Fenolio
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Awesome!!! There is no God like Jehovah!!!!!!!! That was beautiful.

Wilecoyote
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Mikey wenstein isnt going to like this……

Paul Sheridan
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I guarantee you’re wrong about that. But if you think so then send a youtube link to the MRFF and see what they say. My guess is they’ll be happy to see people practicing their religion as they see fit.

rowdygirl726
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Praise the Lord!

Blake Page
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Looks like they’re having a great time. Since it’s not mandatory for them to participate, there’s absolutely nothing wrong there. How childish to celebrate religion out of spite. And what on earth does any of this have to do with DADT?

jyearsley
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I hope Mikey’s head does explode, and Barry’s and all of the other Theophobes trying to impose their hatred and bigotry on everyone else….

Philanthropussy
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FYI, West. All religions have worship services in the military and they are open to everyone.

elle
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wow your FYI is just startling! After 20 yrs in the military he already knows this, but hey thanks for trying to jump in with something. . . .

Philanthropussy
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Last paragraph in West’s article- his message to Progressive socialists. They wouldn’t complain if he told them about all religious services are available. Nip it in the bud, doll
PS, it’s the point of this website to jump in on something? Isn’t this a forum of free thoughts? Maybe you are in the wrong place.

elle
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Not his job to tell progressive socialists about all the religious services available LOL! He will write his articles as he sees without any thought towards making progressive socialists and left wingers happy. Anyway you funny little blob of quivering slime, what he meant must have gone over your empty head. I’ll explain it to you. Progressive socialists likely supported the repeal of DADT, as in equality in the military and all that good stuff right? So if they supported that, then how can they complain (not support) about these proud Marines at a Faith Warrior gathering? You see, no?… Read more »
Paul Sheridan
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So who are these progressive socialists who are opposed to church services for Marines? Do you have their names or are you just inventing straw men to knock down?

melfarmer
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Paul, I recall a story not to long ago where a service man was ordered to take a Bible Scripture verse that he had on his whiteboard on his door off. So if this doesn’t exist, why would this young man be forced to remove something from his door to his room? Just because you personally may not be aware of these things going on, doesn’t mean that they really are not.

Paul Sheridan
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I guess it depends on the verse in question. If it was Lev 20:13 for example then I could see how that would be quite hostile towards his fellow soldiers if they were gay. And the whole barracks is government property so the commander is responsible for what is written on the walls. To me, this issue is a lot more of a gray area than voluntary church services because if you post a religious message on your door then everyone who walks past (on the way to their own room for example) has to be exposed to it. The… Read more »
melfarmer
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“Has to be exposed to it?” They’re just words to a non-believer, right? So, I’m not sure what the argument is? So, basically we are becoming a country of not allowing anyone the ability of free speech or freedom of religion, because someone’s feelings may be hurt by words said or posted? Seems kind of dangerous to me, for everyone. Eventually we will become a world where only the people in charge over us, can tell us what, when, where we can/can’t say or post something, or who or what we are allowed to worship.

Paul Sheridan
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I don’t think that’s true at all. Look at the Westboro Baptist Church, their religious expression is about as offensive as it’s possible to get. And it’s been completely protected under the First Amendment. Every time someone has tried to legally limit their ability to express themselves, that law has been shot down in flames by the courts. As long as the Phelps clan is free to express their abhorrent opinions you don’t need to worry about anyone coming after yours. The only time it gets complicated is when the expression is on government property: schools, court houses, military bases… Read more »
melfarmer
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Westbro is a whole other topic…but they aren’t Christians…as far as far as the army telling you what to wear, what to do, what to say, I get that, and have no problem with that, if they hold everyone in the Army to those same standards. But don’t you find it a little hyprocritical to say that, since the Muslims in the military have been allowed to deviate from the very same military protocols that have been in place forever? Like wearing facial hair, their turbans, allowed to pray 5 times a day, at specific times? Where’s the outrage over… Read more »
Paul Sheridan
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I despise the Westboro Baptist Church, but they do consider themselves to be just that: a Baptist Church. And you’re not given the authority to decide who is and isn’t a Christian are you? The point is that their religious expression is constitutionally protected and so is yours. The recent accommodations for people in the military to modify the uniform requirements for religious reasons isn’t just for Muslims. It allows the individual commander to permit observant Jews to wear Yarmulkes, Sikhs to keep their beards and turbans, and Muslims to keep their beards also. As far as prayer goes, Christians… Read more »
melfarmer
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Well, as far as your comment on Westbro maybe being Christian, yes, we are given authority to judge other Christians who claim to be doing God’s work…we are to judge them by the Word and by the Fruits they are producing. You yourself said you despise them. Do you not think that other Christians are not allowed to judge them for the way they are representing our Lord? Of course we are! Like I said about the military standards, as long as they are fair across the board, I have no problem with what that allow. But I do find… Read more »
Paul Sheridan
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The other examples I gave are requirements of the faith. Are there any Christian denominations in which wearing a cross publicly is a requirement? If there were then I imagine it would be permitted.

melfarmer
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No, it’s not a requirement of Christian Faith, but a lot of Christians do find strength in it. Did you hear the story where police officers were forced to visit an area Mosque to learn about the Muslims faith? How about the military soldiers forced to not eat certain foods and the American women soldiers not to wear certain clothes in Afghanistan during Ramadan (?) even while on base?

Paul Sheridan
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Lets be clear, there’s a difference between “forced” and “ordered.” Were the forced or were the ordered to do these things? I don’t know anything about these stories and I’d have to know more of the specifics in order to have an opinion. But it sounds like you feel like Christians are being asked to be too tolerant of other religions.

melfarmer
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So do you think being ordered to do something while at work is okay? Even if you do not want to do it, feel that it would violate your religious beliefs?

Paul Sheridan
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I think being ordered to do something in exchange for a salary is the basic definition of work. There are lots of jobs that conflict with people’s religious beliefs. If you can’t accept the responsibilities of that job then you can’t do the job. And if your religious beliefs are so restrictive that even familiarizing yourself with someone else’s faith is unacceptable to you then police work may not be a good choice for you. The government can’t force you to violate your beliefs but that doesn’t mean they have to employ you.

melfarmer
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What about the Army guy who didn’t want to take the oath to re-enlist in the Army, because it violated his religious beliefs, but it was something that was required by all enlisted military people in the past?

Paul Sheridan
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What if the oath said “So help me Allah?” Do you see the problem now?

melfarmer
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Did you read the article? They did do their job. They protected the Mosque when there were threats. The appreciation dinner was to “thank them.” Don’t really see see how that is part of their job to go to dinner. This guy said it wad against his religious beliefs to go, so he losses his rights because of a job, which is a government job?

Paul Sheridan
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It’s called community policing. The Tulsa police department sends officers to hundreds of events every year to meet with the community. Frequently (327 times in a 7 year period) these events were at churches and other places of worship. He never had a problem with it until it was a Mosque which presents a problem for the police department. They can’t treat different religions unequally. He also had the option to send other people to attend the event. It doesn’t seem unrealistic to think that there was someone who would have been willing to go. This guy just stuck to… Read more »
melfarmer
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Okay, Paul. I see where your true stance is. As long as it’s happening to a Christian, then it’s all fair. So, I guess with your comment, that had this man been an atheists, and been forced to go to an area Christian church and listen to prayers spoken, you would feel the same way?

Paul Sheridan
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It’s interesting to me that you seem to think non-Christians aren’t exposed to Christianity all the time. Go to a school board meeting, it opens with a Christian prayer. Go to the grocery store, someone tells you to “Have a blessed day.” Drive down the street, churches everywhere with signs outside that politely say “Love Jesus or you’re going to hell.” Not wanting to be exposed to other peoples religion is a privilege that only Christians can even aspire to in this country.

melfarmer
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And, it’s interesting to me that you seem to be missing even your own point…that in all the things you listed, you failed to see that in all those points, nobody is forcing them to enter a church that they don’t want to enter. And, the fact that this man, while in his job capacity, protected the Mosque, which means he was outside the building. And, you failed to answer the question. Instead you wanted to tell me what atheists are exposed to, which is not what I asked. We are all exposed to religions we don’t believe in, doesn’t… Read more »
Paul Sheridan
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I commented twice on your previous comment. I think my other comment answers the question a bit more. But going into religious buildings just isn’t a big deal for me. For you and this police captain it is a big deal apparently. I just don’t think it’s a reasonable thing for a senior police officer of any religion (or lack thereof) to refuse to do part of his job (and let’s be clear, meeting with the community is a requirement of his job as a captain) because he doesn’t want to go into a mosque. I think we’re just going… Read more »
melfarmer
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Yes, I saw that after I sent that comment to you. Yes, we will respectfully agree to disagree on this one.

Paul Sheridan
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Please don’t put words in my mouth, we’ve been having an honest discussion up until now and those are hard to come by. What’s the harm in going to a church and talking to some people who have a different religion? I would absolutely be fine with it if it were atheists being sent to churches. Do you honestly think there aren’t atheists in the Tulsa police department? Do you think they haven’t been sent to community events at churches? Religions aren’t contagious. Is there somewhere in the bible where it says you can’t talk to heathens? My personal opinion… Read more »
melfarmer
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And I apologize if I put words in your mouth. I too have enjoyed talking (typing) with someone who doesn’t think quite like me, and doesn’t insult instead of trade points. So I apologize.

melfarmer
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But that’s the point 150 of them did show up…just nobody from his shift. So, they were represented there. I as a Christian would never walk into a Mosque. I do not believe Islam is a religion of peace. Do I wish them harm? No, I do not…but I also know that all the terrorists that have done acts against our country have come here and gone to some of these Mosques in this country.

Paul Sheridan
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He wasn’t punished because nobody showed up though. He was punished for stubbornly refusing to follow a legitimate order. And a court found that following that order would not have infringed on his religious liberties. My view of Islam is that it’s basically in the same state now that Christianity was in during the 15th and 16th centuries. When Europe was in the grip of constant sectarian warfare, the pope was excommunicating people left and right and Martin Luther was writing ‘Von den Juden und Ihren Lügen.’ This is not to excuse Islamic extremists but just to point out that… Read more »
melfarmer
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Well, Islam has been around for many, many centuries, and has ALWAYS been a religion of death. But that’s a whole other message board topic. We will just agree to disagree on this subject. I will never agree with your point of view, and you won’t agree with mine. I do understand the point you are stating, I just don’t agree with it.

melfarmer
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There’s a difference in being tolerant and being ordered to get yourself familiar with a religion that you do not agree with. Would people expect Christians to be forced to go to a Satanic meeting being held?

Paul Sheridan
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If it was necessary to do your job that you be at the Satanic meeting (to provide security for example) then yes. Either go to the meeting or quit. You don’t have a constitutional right to be a cop.

melfarmer
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You don’t lose your Constitutional Rights simply because you become a cop.

melfarmer
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Ok Paul, what about this story?
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5405032

Paul Sheridan
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Fair enough. Although you do understand that they turn that same verse around and use it to judge you too? As a nonbeliever I can’t tell which group are the true Christians. I just know which group needs a good solid ass kicking. You seem pretty decent though.

melfarmer
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Well thank you. I do try, but by no means do I consider myself perfect in any way. I am only human after all. And yes, they can judge me, but they will never find me picketing any of God’s Children and condemning them to hell. That is not my job here on earth, my job is to try to show people the love Jesus has for them and bring them to the knowledge of Christ. Standing on a street and telling anyone they are going to hell is certainly not going to have anybody rushing to their nearest church.… Read more »
cajun_2
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Obama and his sycophants.

Paul Sheridan
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You got a video of Obama saying Marines shouldn’t go to church or are you just putting words in his mouth?

cajun_2
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You do know what CIC means don’t you?
You do know what is a Colonel don’t you?

Paul Sheridan
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Yes. What’s your point?

elle
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West wrote this: “Be careful, you progressive socialists, about complaining about this. I’m sure y’all supported repealing “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” Well you say oppose, which means disapprove of or attempt to prevent. But West said complain meaning protest, grumble, whine, bleat, object, criticize, moan, snivel, gripe, raise a stink, bellyache and so on and on and on. Who are they? Maybe I’m talking to one right now LOL! You want names, wow you are a tuff guy. Inventing a straw man? There is no argument going on. I simply told that thing what it obviously missed. Seriously, there will… Read more »
Paul Sheridan
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Nobody likes a semantic argument. If you complain about something then it’s because you oppose it, the two words are very closely related in this context. Don’t be a goober. I’m not at all opposed to Marines or anyone else going to church. I don’t think there are very many people at all who would be opposed to that. Certainly only a very small fraction of the people who were glad that DADT was repealed would complain about weekend religious services for servicemembers. So what I think Allen West was doing, and what you’re doing too is inventing an enemy… Read more »
elle
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Well that’s just not true. You can complain about lots of things and not oppose them. It is all connected of course. As to inventing enemies? Maybe you don’t agree, but personally I have witnessed Christianity under attack in this country. Morality being destroyed. It has had a very bad return to us as a nation. I don’t have to invent it, it is already there. I can honestly say, I have been shocked sometimes at things that I have read in blogs from militant atheists, or their actions. And to add, I have conversed with extremely respectful wonderful atheists.… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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I would think west would want to be fair and balanced and give correct information.
If I may ask you a couple of simply questions. How many gay, atheists, and/or socialists men and women are laying dead in US military cemeteries? How many closeted gay men and women served proudly with and for West?

Screeminmeeme
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And your point is………….?
No one said that atheists,socialists, gays, etc haven’t served their country with honor and even paid the ultimate price. My gratitude extends to them all.

elle
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What information did he give that was incorrect? Ignoring your stupid question.

Philanthropussy
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He didn’t . I gave it to him. Answer my question please.

elle
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He didn’t what??? What did you give him?

Philanthropussy
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My first post.

elle
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Your first post, the one I replied to “FYI, West. All religions have worship services in the military and they are open to everyone.” Wow you really “gave” with that one

Philanthropussy
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It wasn’t an attack. Why are you so angry? It’s the weekend, I would advise you to relax. Go bye.

elle
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FYI No it was a snarky little remark trying to somehow best him. That is what it was. I am not angry about anything, especially you and your non-remarks. You always are directly opposite anything he says, and when you can’t do that, you will come up with something to make yourself feel good and make yourself feel superior. That’s all, yes FYI good bye. LOL!

elle
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You are right, it was not an attack, it was a whiny witchy little snarky snarl, sort of like what you always do around here. But hey, if you are turning over a new leaf, awesome! I’m not angry about anything!

Paul Sheridan
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Yeah I remember how many guys in basic training got really religious when they realized that they could go to church on Sunday mornings or they could stay in the barracks and wax the floors with the rest of us heathens. Still, boot camp is a very stressful experience and I’m glad those Marines have something like this to look forward to.

Screeminmeeme
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God knows those that are His.

Philanthropussy
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No, argument from me, sir.

usmc1063
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This makes me extremely proud of my Marines !!! God, Country the Corps They are a Brotherhood like no other Semper Fi my Brothers & Sisters and may God Bless everyone of you….

Merrie Sinnzzninzzall
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Merrie Sinnzzninzzall

God Bless our Military….I love this video sitting here singing with them….

infidel1000
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Looks like something you might see in a documentary about North Korea. Completely tribal. I do see, however, a few brave men not participating. I wonder what penalty they face for that? Compliance and uniformity are mandatory in the military. Peer pressure and indoctrination are high on the list of imperatives. Religion is a private affair. Real marines would respect the religion or lack of religion of their brothers and sisters and would not shove theirs in the face of others. Religionists are attempting to create a religiously correct United states military. The independent character of the american soldier will… Read more »
melfarmer
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Hate to tell you this, but a lot of Christians stand still in a service, even while other people around them feel the Spirit a little bit differently then they do….I know of what I speak of because I am one of those people you see just standing there! Doesn’t mean I was forced to go to a church service simply because I don’t worship as the other ones!

infidel1000
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Yeah, well, in a crowd full of zealots like that, It could well be interpreted as disrespect. And the peer pressure can be severe. Obviously, this wasn’t a solemn occasion. But what the hell, you could be right about that. I don’t speculate about what goes through the religion-numbed mind.

melfarmer
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Well that’s why we “religion-numbed minded zealots” are telling you that just because the stand there quietly, doesn’t mean they were forced there against their will, they just worship a little more quietly. And there is no peer pressure for them to be animated like the others. As a matter of fact, when we worship God, we aren’t paying attention to the other worshipers, our mind us on God!

infidel1000
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Ever read this? Matthew 6:5-6King James Version (KJV) (From Bible Gateway) 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Your own holy book tells you to keep… Read more »
melfarmer
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And no, my religion does not tell me to keep it to myself, quite the contrary, it says to go out and preach the Gospel to the whole earth. So, not sure why you think we are to do it privately! That’s why I told you to please not post Scripture to me, because people who don’t have a personal relationship with Jesus, the words in the Bible will make no sense to them, it’s just babble to them!

infidel1000
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Yep, wonderful god you have there. He orders whole populations slain, enslaved, raped and decimated, wipes out all life on earth but saves one family to repopulate it with what can only can assume to be incestuous sex. Good thing such an inhuman monster is not real and the bible is just one big horrible fairy tale. We humans deserve much better.

melfarmer
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So, you do agree that God exists…good to know!

infidel1000
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I think you need to have someone read my previous post to you again. I said:

” Good thing such an inhuman monster is not real and the bible is just one big horrible fairy tale. We humans deserve much better.”

infidel1000
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Better have someone read my post to you again.

melfarmer
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Nor do you have the right to tell me when, where, how, who I can speak to about my worship….same goes for y’all!

infidel1000
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I’m not telling you to do squat. That’s your “lord” telling you to pray in the closet, not me. And I don’t remember having any atheists ringing my doorbell, but I’ve slammed the door in the face of many condescending christians who came to give me the good news that I’ll burn in hell if I don’t accept Jesus as my loving savior. To hell with them!

melfarmer
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Infidel, please don’t try to post Scripture quotes to me, for I clearly know what God is saying here…I have the Holy Spirit to guide me into Truth of the Bible. You on the other hand, do not know God’s voice, so on the surface, you can only speculate as to what this Scripture is truly saying. Nice try though, at least you read something from the Bible. I pray that reading that Scripture planted that mustard seed, and that it takes root in your life and grows.

infidel1000
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You’re clearly delusional. You have inside knowledge from the voices in your head and I don’t. You’re blessed, and I’m not. Your imaginary friend takes you by the hand and leads you through life along the path of righteousness and anesthetic serenity. Well, there’s a lot of us who don’t have this privilege and must find our own way through the jungle of life. It’s not all cut and dried for us like it is for you. But we are free and we use our minds. Yours is stunted, atrophied, and of no use. You are a slave. I am… Read more »
melfarmer
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Lol…okay. Not sure I requested you to keep silent. I requested you not to quote Scripture to me that you clearly do not know the meaning of. As far as blessed, no, we are ALL BLESSED, some people just don’t know they are. As far as being slaves, no, we are free, “The Truth Shall Set You Free.” I’m sorry that you feel so enslaved by this world, but I will pray for you. I pray life gets easier for you, and that you find some relief for the anger you clearly have in your life. God bless you. I… Read more »
suqsid4
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>> Religionists, group-think…

Thank God for the all-knowing atheist.

elle
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LOL seriously!

elle
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Real Marines? Are you ate up child? Those proud Marines are there because they LOVE GOD and THEIR COUNTRY. They don’t have to be there – they want to be there. Were it not for them you would not be sitting up in here mouthing off. “Semper Fidelis!!” and may God bless The United States Marine Corps!
Show some respect, you could probably never in your life do what they do.

infidel1000
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I respect their right to worship but I also reserve my right to criticize a system of belief that is designed to suck in as many adherents as possible, regardless of its degree absurdity. Religion is designed to keep people ignorant, IMHO. “God” and “country” are two completely separate and distinct concepts. One can be demonstrated to exist. One cannot. This kind of tribal ritual removes thinking and reinforces obedience. Just what religious leaders like to see. Your condescending remarks are noted. You know nothing of what I know, where I’ve been, or what I’ve done.

Grove Peate
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They are brave men, rather new to the showing in a public display,they wouldn’t be there if that, knowing it was a religious service.There are alot of evangelists that stay quite in church.So they are fake marines in your opinion.Just like your fake identity.

John
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Quote: “Looks like something you might see in a documentary about North Korea.”

Oh yea, North Korea is just inundated with mobs of people singing hymns in prayer and worship services.

It’s really amazing that anytime you read an article that touches your soul and uplifts your faith, you can always count on a couple of atheist trolls to make big buffoons of themselves with stupid comments.

Brandon
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“I do see, however, a few brave men not participating.” I noticed that, too, thankfully. They’re brainwashed by Christianity and they as well as viewers & supporters of this are worried about Islam taking over? What a load of crap! Would anybody like to tell me I’m wrong? Here’s proof that you’re wrong: Which religion is responsible for forcing God onto our money and into our Pledge of Allegiance? Yup. Christianity. Which religion in the U.S. is responsible for trying to prevent gay marriage? Yup. Christianity. Sure, sure, that’s just the Conservatives. Christians nonetheless. Which religion is responsible for the… Read more »
melfarmer
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Which religion forces you to convert or be beheaded? You will make a mighty fine convert to the islam religion soldier!

Grove Peate
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Brandon it was a 32 degree free mason that put it on the dollar bill,The seal was designed by his VP a 33nd degree free mason.The God they worship is the enlightened one…Lucifer.FDR was a Progressive Socialist,just like the one in the WH now only he is a Muslim.Thirty two Founding Fathers that signed the Constitution were free masons.Maybe you misunderstand what the great deceiver is really about.Most churches teach a false doctrine.Read the Bible,if it’s not Bible based,it’s false.Even Jefferson rewrote his own Bible,the were Deists,they believed in their own religion,that of Man,not of God.

Adetoz
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Homosexuality is a sin it goes against God’s command of procreating and it is against the nature of sexual intercourse.

Hating God and Christ is what weakened America, the day God’s righteousness dries up in this nation that is the day America’s star will cease to shine.

DocB
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Brandon, if you have never served in my Marine Corps, then pull your lower lip up over you head and disappear because you haven’t earned the right to pass judgment.

Brandon
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Jennifer WarHawk
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Oh please! These men are in the room because they want to be there, not because they’re forced to be there! Get over your ignorance already. And I suspect the ones not participating are the more conservative worshipers who see what the others are doing as irreverent. I understand that because I kind’ve share that sentiment. But I love our guys anyway and the fact that they enthusiastically shout “There is no God like Jehovah” warms my heart. It also warms my heart that people like you get so upset over this, but it chills my heart that you just… Read more »
Jennifer WarHawk
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Personally I’d prefer it if the song said “There is no God BUT Jehovah” but I won’t split hairs here.

CableNewsGuy
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“Looks like something you might see in a documentary about North Korea. Completely tribal.”
You mean like this.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PJFC1qFCgyA

infidel1000
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I don’t know the story behind this video, but I know that this was not mandated by the president. If their parents do not like this, they are free to protest and be guaranteed that this does not happen again. However, kids being forced to pray by a teacher would be a definite assault on the Constitution, and this happens all the time. Kids can be cruel through peer pressure when they feel they have the backing of authority. Threats and violence are possible. Marines, and students, are free to exercise their religion at church. The government should not bring… Read more »
melfarmer
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So you say to keep church and state separate, but want the government to enact laws banning worship….what a hyprocrite you are….so, as long as the government is doing your evil deeds and banning worship to only places of worship (our church), separation between church and state doesn’t exist to you then. Y’all can’t have it both ways!

infidel1000
Guest

And what an idiot you are if you think(?) that’s what I said.
As long as you want to use the government as a forum or a tool to push the “evil deeds” of your religion, it will always be illegal per the Constitution and several landmark SCOTUS cases.

melfarmer
Guest

We do not use the government. We use the Constitution and our God given rights to do what we want to do in our lives. Answer me this, by what right do you think you get your rights? By the government, do you think that that’s who gives you your rights?

infidel1000
Guest

Our rights are a natural result of our existence, and should be respected by our brother and sister humans because we exist. Not from a nonexistent and unprovable god, for which no evidence even exists. How can you say that rights are “god given” when billions have been denied them? How can you have freedom of religion without freedom FROM religion? Such a god as you worship is arbitrary and capricious indeed. Apparently the weak and impoverished in the world do not count. More evidence for god’s nonexistence.

melfarmer
Guest

There us no such thing as Freedom From Religion, only Freedom OF Religion…big difference…one is free to choose whatever religion they choose or don’t choose…Freedom FROM Religion is that there is NO RELIGION to be allowed to choose from!

melfarmer
Guest
OMGoodnes, you people on here make comments that you don’t even own up to…your very last line on your comment said, “Keep church and state separate.!!!!!” I make a comment about you saying that, and you call me stupid! That is laughable. You are the second person to call me stupid about your own comments, and then you want to act like you didn’t say something that I commented to. Really? Who’s the one with the issue? When people can’t respond with an intelligent answer, their answers will always be in a form of attack! Learn how to respond intelligently,… Read more »
melfarmer
Guest

Not sure how old you are or if you know this, but God has been taken out of schools here in America, so a teacher forcing kids to worship is laughable! Maybe you are not an American and do not know this! Infidel, get behind us satan, you have no power here!

infidel1000
Guest

Yeah, almighty god run out of town by a few anemic atheists. Hahahahaha (Yawn). Satan? Whatever. He’s just as fictitious.

melfarmer
Guest

Well, I certainly hope that when all hell breaks loose here, that you will certainly be calling out to God to save you and your family. So God Bless!

infidel1000
Guest

I won’t, because I realize that that would be ludicrous and pathetically ineffectual. I will be fighting in real ways, not hoping for intervention from an imaginary friend. I know I can’t count on neighbors like you for help, because you will be too busy with your head in the sand talking to yours. This makes your beliefs dangerous and self defeating and makes you part of the problem.

melfarmer
Guest

Lol…okay, infidel….if that makes you feel better in your state of hating Christians, then you go ahead a wallow in that thinking. Nothing I say is going to change your mind. Apparently you just want to hate Christians for some reason known only to you and God above….by the way, why the name infidel? Is it maybe that it’s really not the Christian’s in America you’re afraid of, but maybe a different religious group that hides behind the words “A peaceful religion” when they talk about it?

Grove Peate
Guest
You don’t know the story.So you are wrong in your first assumption. Newsflash: we have free will to do whatever we want. We do bad things, not God. God isn’t peddling crack to take advantage of the poor and uneducated addicts. People are. God isn’t beating His wife because she overcooked His dinner (although He probably would, because it would be a sin not to keep a woman in her place). People are. God isn’t corrupting the minds of children. People are. We are. There is nobody to blame but ourselves. Think about the innocence of a child. Now notice… Read more »
infidel1000
Guest

Wow…you’ve been sucked in deep. There’s so many delusional statements here that I wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole. Seek professional help. You need it.

infidel1000
Guest

Your first paragraph is entirely correct. PEOPLE are doing all these things because god is a myth. Simple as that. Prove he’s real, then we’ll talk. Religion allows people to commit immoral acts because it endorses immorality.

CableNewsGuy
Guest

Have you ever served in the military or for that matter EVER had a job? If you had any real world experience you’d know that neither schools nor the military force any religion.

dginga
Guest

Infidel, it appears that you missed the part in the narrative that this was a Christian WORSHIP service and not a freaking STAFF MEETING. Attendance at this worship service is completely voluntary. Perhaps some marines chose not to sing because, like my husband, they are tone deaf. Others may have chosen not to wave their arms around because, like me, that’s not how they were raised. But you are way off base equating this with North Korea.

Justin Ahlquist
Guest

I can verify 100% as a marine you could attend whatever service you wanted or not attend. You sir are a POG and a disgrace.

elle
Guest

Roger That!

David Mills
Guest

This is a chapel service. No one was forced to be there. Yes there are a lot of Christians.

Robert Collins
Guest

They didn’t HAVE to go to this service, or join the Corps in the first place. “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”

Margie Burnette
Guest

Praise God our marines singing there’s no god like Jevoah/days of Elijah love it praying to them @ thanks y’all for serving

Ned Nederlander
Guest

Awesome.

Jaime
Guest

Americans all. God bless em’.

Yodajazzcat
Guest

I wouldn’t want to face THIS Army of God!! It’s ridiculous to have to face domestic as well as foreign enemies, but in the Army of God, that’s SOP.

thomaskp
Guest

I’m glad you specifically mentioned “THIS” Army of God, because our Islamic adversaries have THEIR own Army of God. Kinda like cowboys and indians or perhaps cops and robbers. As long as our “army” can shoot straighter and more effectively than theirs then they can sing any gosh darn thing they like.

Yodajazzcat
Guest
Here’s an interesting example of singing to God. There were battles in the Old Testament where God set the singers in front of the soldiers and they sang the praises of God…going into battle! The enemy was confounded and defeated not because of this ‘strategy’ but because they simply did what God told them to do. Of course, on a human level this strategy would have been considered suicidal. That’s because if we were to understand how or why God does certain things at certain times that would put us on the same level. There is only One who has… Read more »
Jesus Cockburn III
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as a staunch atheist I have absolutely ZERO problems with this. These marines are exercising their religious freedom and who am I, or anyone else for that matter, to say otherwise. Now, what the author keeps alluding to is how atheists or religious freedom purveyors heads will explode upon viewing this, which totally misses the point. The problem arises when these types of things are not voluntary, but mandatory. Or when a person with a differing religious view (or none at all) is ridiculed for not being part of the flock (to continue with your sheep theme). Can i ask… Read more »
elle
Guest

Staunch is such a stuffy word lol! The point is regarding your hypothetical question, we already do have muslim marines kneeling on their prayer rugs pointing towards mecca. They are Marines. They will be praised.

melfarmer
Guest
I understand your hypothetical question…but I’m sure we are all old enough to realize that NOBODY in America is forced to go worship in things they don’t believe in…with that said, why is it only the Christian’s being attacked for their belief? Why are the Muslims in the military not being heavily attacked for their belief also? I’m not saying you, but we never hear of these atheists groups demanding that allah be taken out of the military…and, I might add, they do their prayers 5 times a day…would Christians in the military be afforded the same time, 5 times… Read more »
suqsid4
Guest

Why don’t you go to Syria and put hypothetical nonsense to a test.

Jesus Cockburn III
Guest

what are you saying i should do? Should i take a group of Muslim-American Marines, who fight to protect your liberty, and take them to Syria and, do what? fight the syrians? fight assad? fight ISIS? fight America?

Or, are you saying that Muslim-Americans, who serve in our military, are less heroic or brave then, say, oh i don’t know, one of the guys in the above video? Because they happen to Muslim, you can’t trust them to serve?

suqsid4
Guest

Instead of just a small group, why not propose an entire military structure that is completely composed of subscribers to Islam?

Jesus Cockburn III
Guest

I’m just trying to determine if you are a bigot or not.

Can a Muslim American who serves in the US Military be a good soldier in your mind? or would they always be the enemy?

Adetoz
Guest

yeah they can pray to Zeus if they choose…no one is stopping them from doing it.
But Col West and I have both read verses of Islamic texts which tells muslims that Jews and Christians are enemies and they must not take Jews and Christians as friends.

There is truly friendly muslims who will not accept this command of the Quran the truth is they are very few.

Yodajazzcat
Guest
See, the idea of America is that you’re SUPPOSED to be free to worship who or whatever you want without persecution. It seems to me that you’re one of the few atheists who are intellectually honest, and I totally respect and appreciate that. In America today, however, it seems everybody is free (and in some cases, encouraged) to worship, unless you happen to be Christian. Now, as an intellectually honest atheist, you might want to ask yourself why that is(?) And we all know there are great Muslim Marines, and I would happily say ,Worship however you’d like’. Just remember,… Read more »
Jesus Cockburn III
Guest
The same Judeo-Christian principles that slaughtered the native americans? The same Judeo-Christian principles that allowed slavery to continue unabated for decades after our founders claimed everyone should have the right to freedom? I get where you are coming from, but to say that christians are somehow persecuted from expressing their beliefs in this country is lunacy. More than 80% of this country identifies as Christian, so spare me with that nonsense. Just because a few militant atheists try to point out the hypocrisies of the religious right does not mean that this country is becoming less Christian. Well actually it… Read more »
Yodajazzcat
Guest
I think you are equating ‘Christianity’ with ‘perfection’, and that is an incorrect assumption of Christianity among human beings. While it would be NICE to be perfect, there was only one who WAS perfect. One. That’s it. Jesus was perfect so that He could become a (willing) sacrifice to God on my behalf and yours. After that, humans are humans, and therefore subject to bad decisions and mistakes and other failings. Do I TRY to do as good as I can? Absolutely. That should be the goal of every true Christian. And you’ll notice I said ‘true’. Hey, look. I… Read more »
Jesus Cockburn III
Guest
**I’m posting my response again because it looks like it hasn’t shown up** You know, I don’t necessarily consider myself a hypocrite. I’m sure I am guilty of it at times though. I can assure you that once it is pointed out to me, or i realize it myself by considering other facts i hadn’t before, I will own up to it. Is there something specific that I wrote that is hypocritical? I do disagree with you that Christians in this country are a persecuted majority. In the 1950’s we put “In God We Trust” on our money, and every… Read more »
Yodajazzcat
Guest
Hypocritical? Nah. I asked about the hypocrite thing because nobody thinks of themselves as hypocrites. Most people don’t have the desire to look at themselves honestly and judge themselves. That includes Christians and non Christians alike. I’m telling the truth when I say that there have been times when I have been a HUGE hypocrite. HOWEVER, I’m not the same as I was, and therein lies the key. God tells us to leave the past behind and aim for doing better. We spend a LOT of time (all?) looking at everybody else’s behavior and then comparing ourselves to somebody (usually)… Read more »
Jesus Cockburn III
Guest
You know, I don’t necessarily consider myself a hypocrite. I’m sure I am guilty of it at times though. I can assure you that once it is pointed out to me, or i realize it myself by considering other facts i hadn’t before, I will own up to it. Is there something specific that I wrote that is hypocritical? I do disagree with you that Christians in this country are a persecuted majority. In the 1950’s we put “In God We Trust” on our money, and every time that has come up for a vote to remove it, it is… Read more »
suqsid4
Guest

Please cite the Judeo-Christian principles that advocate the mayhem you’re alleging.

Jesus Cockburn III
Guest
It’s called a rhetorical question suqsid4. Yodajazzcat surmised that the our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values, so I was merely asking if those are the same values that allowed for such things as slavery and the subjugation of the Native Americans? We know that many slave owners were very devout, and we also know that Andrew Jackson, a Presbyterian, lead the charge to decimate and kill the native americans. I can only imagine a majority of the christians here at that time were ok with that, you know, since he was later elected president. I’m not saying there is… Read more »
suqsid4
Guest

Christianity does not advocate slaughter. So maybe you should do a better job of making the distinction given the impression you’re out to attack Christianity instead of rogue human behavior.

Jesus Cockburn III
Guest

man you are dense. I clearly stated that there is not “anything in the bible that justifies those actions”. I agree with you. I’m talking about the charlatans (those who claim to be Christians and people of god) who use and abuse the word of God to further their own agenda, or to justify the subjugation of other races and faiths not their own. The USA has a dark history, and we can’t wash those sins away or ignore them simply because we were founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs.

jackie
Guest

This is good to worship our God! it gives glory to Him and only He is worthy of Praise…our support of the military is coming straight from God. praying for you all as you service God and country

Grove Peate
Guest

I would gladly go into battle with these fine men.God bless everyone of them.As a veteran of Vietnam I only wish I could have seen this kind of camaraderie among my fellow airmen .

Elizabeth Mazzone
Guest

God will bless their faithfulness in the face of adversity. God bless them, and place a hedge of protection around them. Wonderful to see and hear.

Mike Challman
Guest

I’m both a Christian and a veteran, and from what I see in the video I’m not convinced that this is an entirely voluntary event. It’s one thing for some folks to be less enthusiastic — but I wonder if something else is going on when a number of them stand at parade rest.

And I don’t see anything in the video that supports the assumption, made by so many who have commented here, that this is an “entirely voluntary” event. What do you see in the video that convinces you it’s a completely voluntary event?

Numinous
Guest

I agree with Lisa – coming from a more conservative Christian background I pretty much stand the same when in the more celebratory churches. But I am celebrating in my own way just the same.

Mike Challman
Guest

You’ll get no disagreement from me, Numinous – everyone should worship in whatever way they want, and I have no argument with the more charismatic stuff (although it’s not my cup of tea). My intent of my original comment was just to express my hope that attendance is truly voluntary. I’m a veteran myself, so I understand that there are two types of ‘voluntary’ in the military… and only one of them is truly voluntary.

Jim Schwalbe
Guest

I served in the Marines 41/2 yers. Not once was I made to attend a religious event. I went because I wanted to. The very few that didn’t wish to attend did not have to. In Vietnam we would have visiting Chaplains and almost everyone attended their prayer service, even non-believers. Guess they thought it couldn’t hurt huh?

Mike Challman
Guest

Thanks for your service, Jim, and for your comment.

elle
Guest

When you’re up against it for real, could never hurt to have God.

Kelley Glenn
Guest

Mike, thank you for your service and for sharing your perspective here.

Navy
Guest

Growing up with an older congregation, we only sang hymns and did no sort of swaying/dancing/hands up sort of stuff. I would be the service member standing at ease and singing, doing anything apart from that would make me highly uncomfortable.

Mike Challman
Guest

Thanks for your comment. And no offense intended but Go Air Force, Beat Navy (in 3 weeks)….

willynilly
Guest

who cares…your comment is a burr under a saddle and you know exactly why you comment in the fashion you do, along with others with the same boring comments. who cares…looks like everyone is having a great time, no one has any guns pointed at them and they all seem to be smiling,. instigators stirring the pot. go join a muslim training camp are my first thought when I read your comment.

elle
Guest

Nothing like a room full of Marines singing hymns in the way in which MARINES DO EVERYTHING – AWE-INSPIRING. There are those that cannot let it out, like those Marines who were standing at ease, singing, and there WITH their brothers, but maybe feeling the experience in a more personal and deeper way. Bless them all.

Mike Challman
Guest

My goodness, willynilly – have you gone off your meds or what? I comment “in the fashion I do” because I believe what I believe. Sorry you find my opinions offensive, but I can’t really help you with that.

Katie Leckey
Guest

As someone whose son was in this exact room with these same worship leaders a year ago, I can tell you that it is voluntary, in fact it is difficult for some of them to go. Chapel is during the only OFF time they have during Boot and Infantry training; some go to sleep, some go to Pizza shop, and some go to Chapel.

Mike Challman
Guest

Thanks for the comment, Katie, and thanks for your son’s service. I sincerely hope that is the case for everyone involved. I am a huge proponent of the right to worship as one pleases.

Lisa Austin Sears
Guest

The ones at parade rest are probably from a more conservative church
and don’t feel comfortable being that charismatic

Mike Challman
Guest

Certainly could be the case, Lisa. Hard for either of us to know for sure just from the video.

MHM
Guest

My heart breaks that these fine young men are put in danger by a corrupt and unfeeling government.

elle
Guest

I read somewhere else someone said this was the Marine’s way of saying F you Obama! LOL! I didn’t say it, just read it 🙂

Lane T Davidson
Guest

As a Humanist myself, I find this video awesome. If you find joy in church. Go for it! It’s your right. And an amazing thing to behold. As long as everyone there is there by choice. This has nothing to do with the issues that Humanist’s and Atheist’s have with the Government’s relationship with Christianity that I can see.

elle
Guest

You must be a nice humanist, the last one I talked to was quite nasty. Although I do think he also had a huge chip on his shoulder having to do with him being gay, which of course had nothing to do with what we were talking about, at least not to me it didn’t LOL! Anyway, thanks for thinking this is awesome, I think it is too, even if I wasn’t a Christian – the pure human emotion that it evokes was wonderful.

Chris B
Guest
I honestly don’t see anyone complaining about this. Soldier, and marines have a right to practice religious freedom. And i don’t see anyone being coerced into doing this, they are there because they want to be there, if they want to get all in to it, and do the hand motions, there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s how they worship, if they want to stand at parade rest, and not say a word, there’s nothing wrong with that either, its just a matter of how they want to practice their religious freedom. As for the Freedom From Religion Foundation, i’m… Read more »
MAJ P
Guest

There was a time when I, as a Soldier who was not accustomed to “charismatic worship”, stood at Parade Rest. I figured that since I took the stance for my NCOs, then why not stand respectfully before the Lord as well? I have since learned to open up and be more expressive…not excessive, but genuine and freer.

elle
Guest

Beautifully said. There is a time for everything.

Brendan
Guest

You are truly deluded and out of touch Mr West.
It is wonderful that servicemen have places to gather and worship.
Organizations like the Military Religious Freedom Foundation have no problem with that whatsoever.
Every service member has a right to worship.

What organizations like the MRFF oppose is service members being forced to worship.

The fact that you can’t distinguish between the two is just sad.

You still don’t understand America or our Constitution.
All have the right to worship or not.
The fight is against forcing people to worship or not… and you really ought to learn the difference before ranting.

Alondra
Guest

S I C K O !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brendan
Guest

Of course a hag like you would think the Constitution is sick.

Alondra
Guest

Yeah, We Can’t Fix STUPID Brendan. He is Stupid
FOR-EVER !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gxKStPXyn8

Alondra
Guest

You STILL S I C K O, FAKE ‘soldier’ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brendan
Guest

hahaha… the crazy rantings of an unAmerican old hag like you don’t bother me.

Alondra
Guest

HA !!! HA-HA !!! HA-HA-HA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The DERANGED S I C K O just parroting his DIARRHEIC ) poppycock

melfarmer
Guest

Brendan, Dear One….how in the world does America have so many non-believers if they have been forced to believe and worship God? If people keep spouting they are forced to do something, please give proof of this so called “forced” worship….Please tell me how YOU, yourself, have been allowed to become an atheist in a country that forces worship of a God? Just because y’all keep preaching about this “forced worship,” doesn’t make it true, actually the truth proves to be otherwise!

Brendan
Guest

Are you really that stupid or can you just not read?
Whete did I write that we are all being forced to worship?

melfarmer
Guest
Wow…did you forget what you posted? Or does it make your spirit feel better to call people stupid or can you just not read? Here you go…this was copied from what you posted 5 hours ago….maybe your short term memory is damaged, so I’ll forgive you calling me stupid. But, after you read what you posted, instead of calling me names, why not come up with an intelligent answer to the questions I posted to you, if you can. POST OF BRENDAN: 5 hours ago… You are truly deluded and out of touch Mr West. It is wonderful that servicemen… Read more »
Brendan
Guest

Congratulations on still not being able to read.
What part of being opposed to being forced to worship did you not understand?
Their organization is one of the reasons that we are not forced to worship.

Alondra
Guest

Yeah, SICKO, we know that your Reading COMPREHENSION is not your strong point.

Didn’t I tell you that you have to work on your COMPREHENSION skills, stupid FAKE “soldier” ???

melfarmer
Guest
Congratulations on still not being to answer the question I asked you….before this “group” came along, please tell me how people were allowed to become atheists in a country you say forces people to worship God! If you can’t answer my question, please quit trying to deflect by making it seem that you know what you are talking about! You are not confusing me, you are just showing your own ignorance on the subject that you brought up in the first place! You can call me stupid all you want….you’re the one who isn’t able to show proof of your… Read more »
Brendan
Guest

you are an idiot.
I never said this country forces people to worship God.
You are asking me to defend a point I never made.

melfarmer
Guest
But you did make that point..so you can’t defend it, so you make comments meant to insult, as if you calling me stupid is going to make me feel less about myself! Well, sir, you are the one who needs to learn a thing or two about what you say in posts and how to defend your posts! But I guess whomever you got your ideas about people being forced by Christians to worship, didn’t teach you how to defend those comments! So, we are done…I will not argue with a fool, I’ll lose everytime! And just in case you… Read more »
Brendan
Guest
You are a liar. Go ahead and quote where I claimed this country forces religion on us. I never said that because I don’t believe that. I will gladly defend my words … but what you are suggestin I said are not my words. You are demanding a defend something that I never said. Please go ahead and quote me. That you are incapable of admitting you may have misread or misunderstood what I wrote is completely pathetic. Either quote where I said that or admit you were mistaken. Simce it is impossible for you to quote me and unlikely… Read more »
melfarmer
Guest
So, your telling me that you meant that only people who serve this country are being forced to worship God and that therefore MRFF is the only organization around. Because that is not what you said…you said, “What organizations like MFRR oppose is service members being forced to worship.” So, what other organizations are there besides MFRR that are speaking for people being forced to worship? Is there more than one organization that does this for military personnel? Because you said organizations like MRFF, which means more then one organization. So, that’s where I am getting my idea that you… Read more »
Brendan
Guest
You are right about that… I am not just speaking about the military. there are watchdog groups that are protecting the Constitution and opposing instances where religion is forced on others… either in the literal sense of forcing someone to participate in a service (a very rare occurrence) or in the more subtle, by a government entity promoting religion in the public domain. these things do happen… but that is hardly what you implied I said… that this country is forcing religion on us. For example… if i were to use protection of free speech instead of protection of freedom… Read more »
melfarmer
Guest
No, what you just said was that they are taking away free speech away from certain groups, ie, tea party people, students not getting to wear American t-shirts in America…so, how is it okay to take those peoples rights away? When you allow that to happen to any group, you take the chance if it happening to all. Freedom of Speech is not the same as freedom from being offended by someone’s speech. Same with Freedom of Religion..it’s not Freedom FROM Religion. And, that was my original question…what groups are being forced to worship? And if Christians are forcing people… Read more »
Clarence Moore
Guest

Brendan is just here to plug his organization.

melfarmer
Guest

I’m not sure Brendan understands the mission statement of his organization…

Alondra
Guest

You are DEFINITELY and UNQUESTIONABLY that STUPID
S I C K O !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brendan
Guest

Quit following me hag… I’m not interested. Go find some drunk blind guy to blow

Alondra
Guest

S I C K O !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Flower
Guest

Brendon, honey, you ARE drunk and blind. *sigh*

eherring
Guest

Oh, BS. They are a bunch of atheist bullies who have declared war on God so they can grow self-esteem by bullying others.

Brendan
Guest

Are you calling our Founders bullies?

eherring
Guest

They are would be present tense. Had I referred to the founders, I would have said they were…past tense.

eherring
Guest

I am also calling anyone who thinks our founders thought as those atheist bullies do ignorant

Brendan
Guest

Ouch… you must really hate the Founders. They didn’t want religion forced on anyone.

eherring
Guest
No. I understand the founders because I am not ignorant of their words and the context. I also recognize the liberal BS about them, spewing from young skulls full of mush, indoctrinated in Zinn and/or Foner. In my day, we read the writings of the founders and those who inspired them. I am old enough to remember when we knew the difference between an established church and exposure to religion. When the Constitution was ratified, and even afterwards, we still had state religions. The Bible was the textbook. The founders devised a form of government wholly unsuited for those without… Read more »
Brendan
Guest

Wrong. That’s nowhere in the Constitution

eherring
Guest

What is not in the Constitution? What is in the Constitution? How do we know what the founders said? How do we know how the founders, federal government, and state governments interpreted the Constitution when it was ratified? How do we know the “wall of separation” is being interpreted wrongly and when did that begin? Caution. I know the answers.

melfarmer
Guest

No, it’s so they can try to get us not to be able to mention God…that way they won’t have to feel the guilty conviction they feel deep down inside whenever they hear that name!

eherring
Guest

You are right, too.

elle
Guest

Brendan the ever evangelical crusader of sub-mediocrity, NO ONE in the military is forced to worship you mindless nincompoop.

Brendan
Guest

Learn to read.

elle
Guest

LEARN TO THINK

whoselineisitanyway
Guest

NO ONE FORCES ANY OF THESE MEN TO ATTEND THESE SERVICES. YOU ARE QUITE DELUSIONAL.

Brendan
Guest

Are you slow?
I did not say these men werr forced.
I said just the oppposite.

melfarmer
Guest

Never mind Brendan…no need replying to my second post to you…I know see that it is you who may be the brain damaged one, considering I don’t think you even understand what you said in your post!

elle
Guest
You are just like a bad advertisement for MRFF: “What organizations like the MRFF oppose is service members being forced to worship AND The fight is against forcing people to worship or not. . .” What you said is in defense of MRFF, an organization that is by default against GOD. NO ONE in the military is forced to worship GOD or anything else so why do they even have to exist? Because they are anti-GOD anti-Christian. By supporting them you are saying that somewhere out there someone is forcing a Marine to worship GOD. Don’t play your little petty… Read more »
Brendan
Guest

hahaha…
sorry Les… but you trying to pretend people don’t try to force religion on anyone is not so.
Well that’s also because a zealot you doesn’t see anything wrong with it.

Just nine days ago, on this website, you were writing in support of forcing people enlisting in the military to swear their oath to God.

http://www.allenbwest.com/2014/09/info-progressive-socialists-help-god/

elle
Guest
“sorry Les. . .” What does that mean? and this: “Well that’s also because a zealot you doesn’t see anything wrong with it.” What the….are you drinking Brendan? I don’t think I wrote anything about force re the blog on the oath. Don’t think I said let’s put a gun to your head and like force you. If you make an oath to something you don’t believe in then you aren’t making an oath are you? Like I can swear something to the tooth fairy right? But I don’t really believe in the tooth fairy, so its just a joke.… Read more »
Brendan
Guest

Would you swear an oath to renounce God if it was required to work for the government?
It’s just words and you don’t mean it, right?

I bet you would be opposed to swearing an oath against your conscience.
So why would you think it’s okay to make atheists swear oaths against their conscience?

The fight is about principles.

Also there is always the fear of the slippery slope and defending the Constitution.

elle
Guest

But your question is asking me to renounce something I believe IN not something I don’t.

It is easier to fight for a principle than to live up to it. Has Mikey not recognized God’s sovereignty?

elle
Guest
1 The difference is that I would be asked to renounce something I believe IN, not something I don’t. If I don’t believe in something to begin with renouncing it has no meaning to me. Gosh for a job with the gov? Guess I could threaten to sue if I didn’t get my way right? lol! Right. So does the phrase “So Help Me God” mean you are a Christian? No. Does this phrase bind you in anyway, no. It only has MEANING to those who believe. I can’t make amends for Christians who have no tolerance. What about the… Read more »
Clarence Moore
Guest
I have to say that I have been in the military for 20 years Brendan and I have never seen one instance of religion being forced on any service member nor have I seen anyone force to participate. When I have seen a Chaplin lead prayer, anyone who does not wish to bow their head or participate has been free to do what ever they choose. I have never seen or heard of any service member been treated any different or being retaliated against for any religious reason. I have never seen or heard of any “forced worship” so take… Read more »
Brendan
Guest

Clearly, you misread my comment.
As to never seeing religion forced in twenty years, you’ve been very fortunate

Clarence Moore
Guest

So when have you ever been forced to participate in religious activities? If you have, you had a valid IG complaint. If you did not file the compliant, that’s your own fault.

Brendan
Guest
Me, personally?… not counting the occasional senior NCO or O who would force us into an awkward prayer or tell us we needed to get right with Jesus, I only had two minor instances… First, during OSUT in Ft Benning, we had one drill who would force us to go to Church on Sundays if he wasn’t off. Every Sunday he was off, church was optional and they would just pressure us by coming up with details for those not going. And then in my first line unit, when I was still just an E3, I had an E6 squad… Read more »
Clarence Moore
Guest
Well to be honest, the OSUT church was more about getting you out of the Drill Sgts hair than church. The details for those who did not go were to motivate the others to go so they could have time without you privates. The time that your supervisor forced his religious beliefs on you was a genuine IG complaint. That was not the Army forcing it on you, it was one man, and you could have stopped it. SO try again, Brendan. No one forces religion on you in the Military, and if they do there are ways to stop… Read more »
Brendan
Guest
You are asking me to defend a point I never made. I never suggested the Army forced religion on me as a matter of policy. The inappropriate actions of several individuals I dealt with does not, for me, represent the Army I love. The MRFF is a watchdog group that makes sure that the line of religious freedom is not crossed. I am unaware of any major recent violations that were actual policy… but there have been a few minor ones… Bibles in the Navy lodge rooms, which is the endorsement of a religious preference… the recent case of the… Read more »
suqsid4
Guest

Damn shame the Navy’s Bible ban failed. /s

Flower
Guest

I’ll pray for you, suqsid4.

suqsid4
Guest

You realize I was being sarcastic?

Flower
Guest

No, I couldn’t see our facial expression and I don’t do texting.

suqsid4
Guest

It’s okay. I’ll pray for you.

Flower
Guest

Thank you! I appreciate ALL prayers!

whoselineisitanyway
Guest

And its a shame you are alive.

suqsid4
Guest

You say that as an atheist?

Desdinova March
Guest

Note the “/s” at the end of his statement – I believe that means “end sarcasm” – he wasn’t serious

suqsid4
Guest

That’s right. Thanks.

whoselineisitanyway
Guest

I don’t use whatever /s/ form of communication syntax. I will bear that in mind

Flower
Guest

Nor do I. It must be somehow connected with texting, which I don’t do.

suqsid4
Guest

Given your up-vote for regretting my mortal existence, it’s not my soul you should be praying for.

Robert
Guest

I could not have said it any better than Brendan has. There is nothing special they are doing that needs to be commented on like you Mr. West did. You have turned a normal Christian activity ( I know because I do the same thing when I worship) into a political statement. You are the epitome of what is wrong with this nation today. Thanks Brendan.

elle
Guest

Robert don’t be a bonehead. There is everything special about what they are doing! The video is going viral why: BECAUSE WE LOVE IT!!! Mr. West is a strong Christian – he LOVES this, OF COURSE he wanted to share it and comment on it, as is his right.

melfarmer
Guest
Robert, and who is it that you worship? You did not say….but by your comment, we certainly can see by the fruits you are producing, it isn’t the good one. Especially if you are agreeing with Brendan! “A normal Christian activity into a political statement,” I guess as the kind of “Christian” you are, you are not aware of the war on God, and how they are trying to take Him out of everything? So, this kind of story is a good VICTORY for God’s people….and if you agree with Brendan’s comment, you are agreeing that people are being forced… Read more »
Flower
Guest

Forgive him, Mel. He doesn’t understand the difference between being GLAD and honoring soldiers who are worshipping is NOT political, it’s simply showing GLADNESS!

willynilly
Guest

🙂

Paul Sheridan
Guest

Marines in boot camp. Terminal Lance had a strip on this phenomenon a few years ago. http://terminallance.com/2010/10/18/terminal-lance-74-no-preference/

MissyT111
Guest

May God watch over and bless you all

SheriLynn
Guest

Why would this drive secularists crazy? As an atheist myself, I think it’s great these servicemen have a place to worship & stand together in their faith.

Yodajazzcat
Guest

I am a Christian, and I perceive that you are an intellectually honest person. I appreciate that tremendously. ‘Intellectually honest’ meaning we can discuss topics without getting heated and calling each other names.

Rick Williams
Guest

Not everyone is as thoughtful and rational as you. Some secularists are as bad as some religious zealots in their opinions. Great to hear one of the many sane ones speak up! 🙂

Bruce Gray
Guest

I think those who put their life on the line and in danger for us …Should be able to be close to God .. Well don’t you think???

Jesus Cockburn III
Guest

Absolutely. Nobody is saying they shouldn’t be. Nobody with a brain anyway

Bill Jones
Guest

As a liberal atheist, why would Marines going to church bother me???

crisleem
Guest

It shouldn’t and you’re a rarity for that. I’m glad you are logical. Liberal and logical don’t tend to go hand in hand much lately. I’m glad you aren’t bothered. You shouldn’t be. And therefore you shouldn’t try to stop such things as this either. It should be 100% a non-issue for you. But sadly, many with the same labels you share here aren’t like you. They are offended and want to demand that these folks not worship. Thank you for being rare.

Paul Sheridan
Guest

You claim that he’s a rarity for that but this thread has 400+ comments on it and I’ve only seen one guy (presumably a troll) who’s comparing this to North Korea and other nonsense. All the other atheists and agnostics are just arguing with people like you who feel persecuted for no reason. Most of us could not care less how you practice your religion as long as you leave us alone to not practice religion.

demian0311
Guest

Err, just another data point here. I’m a conservative (Libertarian) atheist and none of this bothers me. I don’t think Bill Jones is so rare.

melfarmer
Guest
Well, somehow it must bother you enough for you to make a comment, otherwise, why bother putting your thoughts to words? Or was it just so that you could hopefully get people riled up enough for you to fight with them? Are you bored? You do know, idle hands do the devils work, right? Isn’t there an atheist forum you would be better suited for? Everybody on here who wants to comment to this poor misguided soul, let’s all just pray for him instead, after all, that’s really the only thing we can do for him…those prayers will be more… Read more »
S. Randall
Guest
The rather simple response from Mr. Jones reflects my own thoughts. I don’t care about service members going to church, in or out of uniform. What I do care about is when ceremonies occur and all members of a command must attend. During those times, when ‘let us pray’ was the command, it was my honor to disobey, and stand with my head held high. The point of separation of church and state is that the government is supposed to serve ALL people of the republic, regardless of their beliefs, wealth, or circumstances. When a command is subjected to a… Read more »
crisleem
Guest
Please remember that by offering prayer they aren’t expecting you to pray…just stand there with respect (meaning not walking away for the moment) and do nothing…which is what you believe in. It’s no different than a moment of silence. But since most Americans believe in God (more particular most Americans are Christian) and we don’t cater to the few but the majority, prayer should be offered. You don’t have to like it. When they serve fish at dinners I don’t like it. I don’t have to eat it but I don’t walk away or expect special treatment and get what… Read more »
S. Randall
Guest
Except that again, it’s a matter of choosing to attend, to be present. A Marine in uniform, whose appointed place of duty is the drill field for a ceremony, has no choice but to be there. That he or she can choose not to bow their head does not change the fact that they must stand there, without leaving formation. Laws are not supposed to cater to the majority or the minority. They are supposed to apply to everyone equally, and protect equally as well. In the case of prayer in uniform, I again object to the prayer as part… Read more »
crisleem
Guest
You contradict yourself. You said it doesn’t bother you that others pray. But it bothers you to have to be present when they do. That’s an oxymoron. If you believe in nothing then why do you care if you have to stand there for a moment. I am a Catholic who lived 12 years in Utah. I don’t like or agree with Mormonism. But when they pray I pray my way. When they say bow your head, I cross myself. It doesn’t offend me that they do it their way. If it doesn’t bother you that folks pray why then… Read more »
melfarmer
Guest
And with what you just said about separation between church and state…so why is it okay to have the government weighing in or passing laws against Christians, that really is not separation between church and state. So, as long as it’s the Christians losing, it’s okay for the state to step in? Don’t you find that a little hyprocritical? So what if someone says, “Let us pray,” do you see people walking around with guns and pointing them at people who don’t bow their heads in prayer? So, basically if there might be a chance that someone in the crowd… Read more »
TOO EASY
Guest

Won’t work

howardjs
Guest

As a Christian, I respect (but obviously don’t agree with) the atheist belief, or non belief. Better than being a fanatic of some religion. I just think that atheists are missing out on so much that our Lord has to offer. I don’t go to church or practice any religion, but my faith in God is personal, strong and unyielding.

TOO EASY
Guest

Atheist here in LA are idiots.

lia watson
Guest

Since the idiots profess not to believe in God, why on earth do they care? However, when they have to face their Maker, they WLL believe, but I will be too late….

Bill Jones
Guest

We don’t care.

Alondra
Guest

And WE do NOT care that you “don’t care” !!!

whoselineisitanyway
Guest

Then why in God’s name are you on this page ? AZZ HAT!

Alondra
Guest

To spew their DIARRHEIC DEMONIC gobbledygook.

TOO EASY
Guest

If you really didn’t, you wouldn’t be here. Try again.

SupportMcCarthyism
Guest

Exactly! Man, you nail it on the head!

Craig Harrison
Guest

Liberals miss so much of what is really happening in the world because they follow the propaganda machine of Obama’s liberal media. I look at these comments, and people actually believe that the freedom of religion isn’t being oppressed here in Amerika. It is so sad how uninformed our citizens are in today’s day and age.

Ljubica48
Guest

Please, nobody tell Mr. Weinstein or the FFRF about the Distinguished Service Cross or the Navy Cross. They would demand that those awards for valor be changed to the Distinguished Service Asterisk and the Navy Asterisk.

Kat50
Guest

Can we send him over to the Middle East? If he doesn’t like this country maybe he needs to find a island

elle
Guest

your avatar cracking me up

Betocop
Guest
Here’s a question that’s weighing on my mind lately. Supporting the men and women in the Armed Services is great. They go beyond their call of duty for their country. You have the same type of people working in Prisons across the country. Many of whom are Service men and women that works as Correctional Officers when they are state side. But we the Correctional Officers of America gets spit on by the public. It’s bad enough that we get splashed by offenders with milk cartons full of pee and poop. Then when we go into public you spit on… Read more »
charles johnston
Guest

I used to go and play music at prisons when I played professionally and the corrections officers were always professional, kind and supportive while reminding us to be careful, that we were not in a real safe place. Thanks for your service. It is a basically thankless job that most folks ignore. God bless.

Linda Pardee
Guest
Betocop, My name is Linda Pardee, the mother of Merrie Pardee Baldwin, who happens by the Way to work in law enforcement with the Treasury Department. She and her brother and sister were raise to have the utmost respect for all Law Enforcement. I know that you and others in that business are in our prayers daily. Unlike a service man you and your fellow officers are not in the publics viewing on a daily basis, But you are in many peoples prayers, you included in My Churches Prayser every week as those who serve in harms way. You have… Read more »
crisleem
Guest

Not everyone. I think most people appreciate your service too. We just forget to thank you. If anyone has not respected you for it or treated you badly for it you must be around rotten folks. From my service family to yours: May God bless you throughout your life and keep you safe daily for the enormous service you do for us. Amen!

Kat50
Guest

Well you are appreciated too. Because my brother and a friend are corrections officers I commend you for making sure our communities are safe. And you are right they put themselves behind bars.

howardjs
Guest

I don’t know what you’re talking about. No decent citizen would spit on a law enforcement or correctional officer. You must be around the wrong people. I would think that most people are grateful for your work. I know I am. Kudos!

David Flores
Guest

“yea” it’s pretty much a thankless job ……I’ve worked in prisons before but only for an hour or two each month!!!!
I used to go in and spray for bugs…..yeah the people in there( Need to be in there)… And you guys take a lot of s*** off of them “God bless you guys”

elle
Guest

Well thank you for the reminder! YES! Thank you for your service too. You have a very dangerous job and a job that most people would never want. High Five.

Ronald Hullfish
Guest

WOW I can just picture JESUS when he hears this song by the men fighting for this country,an having time to worship him. WOW

Karl Wulff
Guest

How about these brave warfighters: http://militaryatheists.org/atheists-in-foxholes/

usaok59
Guest

Awesome!!!

Rebecca Overton
Guest

Thanks so much for posting!! My son is in this company of recruits…soon to be Marines! I’m not sure if my son’s platoon is in this video, but it makes me cry every time I watch it. “Lift your voice…OohRah!” …..gives me goosebumps!

lenerlee
Guest

Hi Rebecca!! My boy is in this company too and I was glad to see a familiar face post on this! I swear I see my boy in this video and as far as I’m concerned, they are all our boys! Ooh Rah and Semper Fi!! See you on our page on Facebook!!

jtreis
Guest

Thank you for your son’s service to our country AND to our Lord, and thank YOU for supporting him, and for your joy and pride in your son! May Father Richly Bless you and your son! This video truly blessed both me and my husband. We retired from the Navy (E7 and E8) in 2000. Yes ma’am, the “OoooRah!!” gave us goosebumps and teary eyes, too!

Flower
Guest

I couldn’t help but sing along with them! LOVE that worship tune and what a thrill to see them worship!!

Tim Wolfe
Guest

Since this is about religious freedom I suppose if the military lead services for Hindi, Jewish, or Muslim that would be ok right?

melfarmer
Guest

Muslims already do pray in the military..5 times a day! But you sure don’t see anybody raising nine kinds of hell about that, now do ya?

demian0311
Guest

Well who’s raising hell about what’s in the video. I’m an atheist and I’m not bothered by it, I think it’s fine. You folks are shadow boxing here, imagining what the bogey-man atheist would object to and getting all worked up over it.

When I was at Camp Pendleton I was never compelled to go to any Sunday service. It’s cool that religious Marines have that ability. You don’t have to invent enemies to fight, there are enough real ones in the world.

melfarmer
Guest

I agree, we don’t have to invent enemies. So, we that said, did the Christian Marine invent the MFRR?

Paul Sheridan
Guest

Is the MRFF trying to prevent religious services for Christian Marines? (I’ll give you a hint, the answer is NO)

Janet Wyatt
Guest

They do ya dork!

howardjs
Guest

The military doesn’t lead religious services, but it does allow for and permit religious services of all kinds. It’s called religious freedom.

Dawn Harsley
Guest

So what? The Military has always had Chaplains of many faiths.

Basil Sands
Guest

They do….and yes.

Flower
Guest

They DO allow it, yes!

Cliff Britt
Guest

The Marines are my king od people.

Patty
Guest

God bless them all!!!

Mike
Guest

That made my day.
(USMC 1987-95)

Dawn Harsley
Guest

Thank you for your service. You must be very proud watching and listening to these young men.

Mary Creekmore
Guest

Why can’t you be our president???

Dawn Harsley
Guest

Of course I teared up with such pride in these young men who put their lives in harm’s way. Semper Fi.

johnny51
Guest

Me too .. God bless our Military !

Robert Wood
Guest

MY GOD, bless them and watch over them

Gunny USMC
Guest

That made my day. Thank you Lt. Col. West. As an older Marine Gunny “63-72” and Combat Wounded Viet Nam Veteran I have fond memories of going to Mass at MCRD San Diego. BTW…God was at my side in Nam.
Semper Fi!

Heartland Patriot
Guest

At first, I thought, “Young guys horsing around about it”. Then I realized, they really were into it. Good for them, I hope someday if they are in a bad place, and things aren’t looking good, that they can remember back, draw on that strength, and make it through.

Steven Towers
Guest
There is a difference between what most secular humanists believe and what most of the commenters here (and especially Mr. West) apparently think secular humanists believe. These Marines can engage in this kind of worship seven days a week if they want as far as the vast majority of us are concerned. Seems to be a happy group of jarheads — most of them, anyway — and good for them. It’s hard to understand the pervasive persecution complex in here, but you all DO seem to enjoy wallowing in it. Want to feel marginalized and paranoid by truly earning it?… Read more »
chris
Guest
I think some of these comments toward you were a little harsh…we dont mind atheists or agnostics …..except when they attempt to shut down our right to public and private religious expression….its a freedom we cherish like the self evident truths and unalienable rights that are endowded by our Creator, as expressed in our Declaration of Independence…you dont have to accept or believe it …there was a time none of us did eitther…..but we now know that blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord,..and cursed is a nation that ignores Him and slaughters innocents, removes His commandments. and… Read more »
Steven Towers
Guest
My friends and I are not trying to take away your right to practice your religion. We simply have an opinion that differs from yours regarding the separation of church and state. That difference of opinion sometimes leads to legal conflicts. The Founders included in the Constitution a branch of government — the judicial branch — whose role is to resolve those conflicts. Neither of us is likely to be satisfied with the outcomes of those judicial ruling 100% of the time. Regardless, I’m not telling you to take your point of view and “stuff it,” as I’ve been told… Read more »
Flower
Guest

You seem very concerned about that. Why do you suppose?

Steven Towers
Guest

No, Flower, I’m actually not very concerned with that — my statement wasn’t an accusation, it was an affirmation that I don’t think Chris is crazy like that. I’m reasonably confident that the types of “Christian Identity” nut-jobs who declare war on the U.S. and kill a couple of cops will remain repugnant to most Americans well into the future. I don’t think Christian jihad is a popular brand.

Rus Shore
Guest

We’re not, and never gave been a Christian nation, and our Founding Fathers said so in many places. No one is taking away your liberties. We only demand that your liberties don’t infringe on ours because that’s what the Constitution demands, and it, not the Bible, is the law of this land. You are EXACTLY who Steven was referring to when speaking of those on here wallowing in the persecution complex.

Flower
Guest

You apparently missed the 10 posts or more that I gave you, showing our Founding Fathers were Godly men and founded America on those values. Still in denial, huh?

Steven Towers
Guest

Indeed, some of them were. But Flower, you apparently missed my two posts by the primary authors of the Declaration of Independence (Thomas Jefferson) and the Bill of Rights (James Madison) regarding separation of church and state.

Flower
Guest

There is NOTHING in the Bill of Rights about “separation of church and state”!

Steven Towers
Guest

You stand in stark disagreement with Mr. Madison, the gentleman who wrote the Bill of Rights. Also with Mr. Jefferson. You also disagree with the prevailing judgments of the judicial branch of our Constitutional government. If I were more of a snark, I would ask, “Flower, why do you hate our Constitution and the form of government that it prescribes?”

Flower
Guest

Sorry, Steven, but the difference between you and me is that I actually STUDIED American government, you didn’t. You’re wrong on every count.

Steven Towers
Guest

Flower, that’s a rather weaksauce rebuttal. First of all, you have no idea how much or little I’ve studied American government and history. Second, if you disagree with what I’ve said, your task is to refute the statements of Mr. Jefferson and Mr. Madison (posted below) — not to compare yourself favorably with me.

You don’t win a debate by declaring yourself right and the other person wrong, no matter how much you wish that were the case.

Flower
Guest

I don’t debate, Steven. Truth is truth. Be well.

Steven Towers
Guest

For someone who doesn’t debate, you sure do debate a lot!

You be well, too.

melfarmer
Guest
Aww, who’s the victim now. Guess you are the only people who can feel victimized, but how dare those Christians feel or call themselves victims, that’s us atheists gig! Why do you atheists feel the need to even tell people what you don’t believe in? You can’t see your brain, do you walk around telling people you don’t have one since you can’t see it? I have a couple of friends who don’t believe in God, they believe in Odin as their god…difference is, they don’t walk around calling themselves victims, out outing themselves to everybody they meet! Nor do… Read more »
Steven Towers
Guest

Lighten up, Francis.

Rus Shore
Guest

Oh my god…. Did you really just make such an incredibly stupid analogy? You very much can see your brain! Ever heard of an autopsy or an MRI?

When your constitutional rights are infringed upon, you are very much a victim, and Christians do that all the time. Please tell me how anyone is infringing on YOUR constitutional rights??

Flower
Guest

Still calling on the God you don’t believe exists, huh? tsk tsk tsk

melfarmer
Guest

Well, Russ if you’re having an autopsy done, I’m pretty sure you are dead, and therefore, you can’t see it. An MRI shows the inside of your brain. You do not walk around in public with your brain showing. So my analogy was perfectly fine.

Rus Shore
Guest

I see. So, you’re saying that if you can’t physically open up your skull WHILE YOU’RE ALIVE and actually view your brain, you have to take it on faith that it exists? Nevermind brain surgery, autopsies, and MRI’s. You’re really not helping your cause, man. I hear Christians say things like “You can’t see wind either, but you know it exists”. Forget the fact that you call actually feel it, measure it with instruments, and reproduce it. When Christians say asinine things like this, atheists tend to lose all respect for you.

melfarmer
Guest

Oh, be honest with yourself Rus…you have no respect for any Christians, no matter what statement they make!

Rus Shore
Guest

Ah, another Christian who thinks they know me, or any other atheist. I respect Christians who think, and I respect Christians who realize they don’t own America. I respect Christians who don’t think that everyone else is less than them because they’re gay, atheist, Muslim, black, etc…..

melfarmer
Guest

Ah, so I guess you don’t have very many Christian’s as friends do you…since most atheists like you like to label us as intolerant towards those groups you just listed! So, you judge me by my Christianity and your stereo typing of all Christians, but don’t want to be judged by the same measures as all atheists? How progressive you are. You have no idea the people I have in my life, gays, muslim, African-Americans, atheists, etc.

Flower
Guest

I thought you said you didn’t HAVE a god! Now you’re calling on one??

BarbaraZabadu
Guest

Yeah, that’s very Christian.

Trish
Guest

Stuff it. These guys have the spirit. Too bad you don’t know that feeling with all your mumbo jumbo talk!

Steven Towers
Guest

Thanks for your contribution to the conversation, Trish. You’ve done an excellent job of representing a certain worldview.