To PM Cameron: Stop the Hogwash! ISIS is Islamic

Acting out what the Quran commands, ISIS struck again this past Saturday, when a savage barbarian speaking with a clear British accent, smote 44-year-old British aid worker David Haines about the neck, and then beheaded him on video. This is the result of multiculturalism, which equates one’s native culture relative to any other – as matter of fact, it relegates the host country’s culture in subservience.

As Fox News reported, one British citizen – Prime Minister David Cameron – still hasn’t quite figured that out yet. In his interview Cameron said, “We must confront this menace. We must drive back, dismantle and ultimately destroy [ISIS].” And like our own president stated last week that “ISIS is not Islamic,” Cameron asserted Isalm is a religion of peace, stating “they are not Muslims; they are monsters.”

Hogwash! ISIS is completely Islamic.

Cameron also offered Britain’s support of the United States’ decision to take direct military action, but contradicted his earlier statement of calling Islam a religion of peace by then calling the beheading “an act of pure evil.” So which is it?

Additionally, Cameron said Britain will not work to destroy the Islamic State but will work with ally efforts to extinguish this terrorist threat, along with offering a warning against becoming complacent and advising how it, “will merely get worse, not just for us, but for Europe and the world.”

He also stated that countries must “drain this poison from our society” – with which I fully concur. But here again, we have a Western leader who wants to dismiss the problem with “nuanced” language in order not to offend. Stating ISIS isn’t Muslim is like saying those who attacked Pearl Harbor weren’t Japanese.

Our Western leaders must stop dismissing the “poison” – the ideology – which they are called to address and confront in Islam, a theocratic-political totalitarian imperialistic ideology. Since Islam’s consolidation and gains in circa 628 AD in Mecca, the world has had to combat it – and after the breaking of the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah and the attacking of Mecca, where the commands of Mohammad at the Battle of the Trenches were followed – and as written in the Quran 8:12, Sahih International “[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”

To Cameron, I offer the prescient words of a truly great British leader, Sir Winston Churchill, who clearly understood the “Mohammedan” and lucidly characterized them in 1899. Cameron needs to go back and read these words – Obama certainly won’t. After all, he removed Sir Winston’s bust from the White House, an act revealing his true self. Let us stop equivocating and debating who this enemy is – because they are unmistakably telling us who they are. It’s time to stop the PC deliberations in order to make us feel good about not “offending” others – which only results in more beheadings. If we are indeed to “drain this poison from our society,” we must name the poison as a venomous elixir and find the snake pit producing the creatures who are inflicting their fatalistic bites.

While we continue to talk, ISIS continues to grow, kill and taunt. As Fox reports, “Haines’s executioner ridiculed Cameron saying the British need to pay the price for his promise to arm the Peshmerga against the Islamic State, and how like his “master Obama,” Cameron will have his own people’s blood on his hands. “

Mr. Cameron, it’s time to stop with the Obama disease of telling the enemy what you’re not going to do – such as not send ground troops – and get to the business of killing these savages

– as I can assure you, Sir Winston Churchill would have done.

Here’s what he said 115 years ago:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

(Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 London).


      • By adopting the same stale PC attitude as Cameron and Obama – and most liberals in general – you’re deluding yourself from grasping the obvious nature of these extremely dangerous and exceptionally evil people. They have unequivocally told us who they are and what their intentions are. I don’t relish insulting people but your online name – PhilanthroPUSSY – is very appropriate! Pull your head out of your PC ass and face the fact that the only way to deal with this scourge is to wipe it out. To try and debate and negotiate with these people is a complete waste of time and frankly a very dangerous and incompetent strategy. For ISIS and all muslim fundamentalists abhor weakness which is personified by u and those like u with your attitude and – mark my words – they would gladly chop your head off if given the opportunity!

      • I don’t believe he claimed to be a jacka$$ whisperer.
        Sometimes you just have to tell yourself it doesn’t matter what we say to you, we can’t fix stupid.

      • How should we tell the difference. Maybe the five year old standing next to you is wired to blow up as any garbage jihadist would do. Or maybe the old lady. Can’t tell because they are fully covered and KNOWN to do these things. So tell me, how do we fight these jihadist vermin??

      • How should we tell the difference. Maybe the five year old standing next to you is wired to blow up as any garbage jihadist would do. Or maybe the old lady. Can’t tell because they are fully covered and KNOWN to do these things. So tell me, how do we fight these jihadist termites??

      • Not evey Jaoanese thought the US was evil, esp the Jaoanses-Americans living in the states. ( ps, our government rounded most Jap/Amers up and put them in 11 concentration camps during ww2. )

      • First, what you call Japanese-Americans were/are Americans — can we get the he!! off the hyphenated American crap? Secondly, re the diff. between nationality and religion, a case can be made that Shinto had a good deal to do with WWII (this is also responding to your later post). And putting the Americans into CCs was a blatant act of racism — many of their sons fought and died with valor in Italy. A really lousy part of our history.

        And yes, the Bible does have many episodes of violence — like two thousand years ago. And forget the Crusades, if you intend to bring them up — they were response to Muslim butchers killing Jews and Christians in the Holy Land (which just might sound familiar to you in the present situations).

        When I see some of the 1.7 billion ‘moderate’ Muslims standing up and doing away with the slime, then I’ll believe they’re moderate. Right now, they’re just guilty as charged.

      • What is incredible is that muslims are infiltratinjg all the “free” western countries. By estimate, 10% are jihadists, the muslim army. Attacks on humans by this “army” have started in most of the free world. But America and its allies WILL defeat you. Obviously you have turned to insults because you can’t address the important issues. Probably don’t want to. (or not allowed)

      • No questions posed. Just true statements and prophesies. No insults either. Not stating you are ignorant or closed minded or muslim.

  1. A few gems from the book of peace.

    “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Qur’an 2:191
    “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Qur’an 9:123
    “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Qur’an 9:5
    “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Qur’an 3:85
    “The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”… Qur’an 9:30
    “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Qur’an 5:33
    “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Qur’an22:19
    “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Qur’an 8:65
    “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Qur’an 3:28
    “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Qur’an 8:12
    “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Qur’an 8:60
    “I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers. Qur’an 8:12,
    “Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.
    Qur’an 4:56,
    “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Qur’an 4:34
    “I will cast terror into the hearts of infidels, so strike [them] upon the necks [behead them] and strike from them every fingertip.” Qur’an 8:12
    Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

    – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Qur’an (2:216)
    – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”Qur’an (3:56)
    – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. Qur’an (3:151)
    – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…” Qur’an (4:76)

    And, don’t forget the boss:…

    Mohammed promised his followers seven heavens in which:

    They are to cohabit with demure virgins…as beauteous as corals and rubies…full-breasted maidens for playmates…in the gardens of delight…. They’re to lie face to face on jewelled couches, and be serviced by immortal youths…young boys, their personal property, as comely as virgin pearls…. We created the houris [dancing girls] and made them virgins, carnal playmates for those on the right hand…. We are going to wed them to dark-eyed houris. The Qur’an 55:56; 55:58; 78:33; 56:12; 52:16-17, 24; 56:35-38; 52:20]

      • Well, I am not a religious person. I’ve heard the argument many times, that the bible has bad things in it as well. That may be. But you don’t see any Bible followers crashing planes into buildings, treating women as property, and cutting people’s heads off. Case closed.

      • you are not a religious person, but you feel you can comment on the Koran? I wonder if the football player, Rice is a Christian? How about the Christians who shoot abortion docs or bomb clinics?

      • Your argument is a red herring. Your religion teaches you to do these things as evidenced by the many verses instructing you do to do so. Jesus never instructed anyone to kill. So, while Christians may do bad things, these acts certainly are not condoned by Jesus Christ. I suspect you cannot say the same.

      • Everyone in here arguing that Islam is mean and Christianity is nice, you must have missed the Inquisition, the Crusades, abortion clinic bombings, slavery in the US, and molester priests.

        You guys might as well argue who could beat up who in a fight, the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus. All religions just work to control you by scaring you into certain action based on our inherent fear of death.

      • You must have missed all those things too. What you listed off just can’t intelligently be lumped together and using this list to compare islam to Christianity is infantile at best for lack of a better word.

        Inquisition was Roman Catholic Church not “Christianity” and if you didn’t know there are major differences with the two. Roman Catholic doctrine goes directly against things in the bible and that of being purely Christian. It is a church. Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and a church is not necessary to have this.

        As to the Crusades: After roughly 4 centuries of muslim aggression, conquest, and bloody murder of thousands and thousands of Christians as well as thousands and thousands of other souls, burned Churches, robbing, pirating, enslavement and brutal barbaric treatment, (in other words jihad) around 1095 Christains decided it was time to free Christianity from islamic oppression. The result was what is called the Crusades. And yes, the Crusaders were just as murderous and pillaging, and a great many evil acts were done. But make no mistake, the Crusades happened BECAUSE of islam and muslim aggression. It is historical fact. The Crusades would have never happened had it not been for the muslims and their islam.

        Abortion clinic bombings: you bring this up why? In comparing islam to Christianity? Look at the numbers. Millions of people have died at the hands of muslims through islam. Millions. They have a 1400+ year history as a death cult. You would need to study to learn this. How many people have died in an abortion clinic bombing? The last time I read it was 7. Seven. I denounce this violence and those 7 deaths. But please stop dragging out this argument. There is just nothing there to stand on. But I will say around 50 million are dead due to the work that goes on inside the abortion clinics. Just saying. . . .

        Slavery: Where do you think the slaves came from, how do you think they arrived in America in the first place. Muslim slavers raided and traded them. The islamic world was all about conquer, convert, enslave, kill. In the US slavery existed for 245 years before it was abolished in 1865. In islam slavery existed from the very beginning of islam, that would be the year 610, and will remain as long as there is islam.

        Islam is mean and Christianity is nice? LOL – bottom line honestly, yes islam is very “mean” and Christianity is quite “nice” in comparison.

      • 56 million dead babies. Murdered. And you try to use them as a righteous stance? I know whats wrong with you. Look at your pic.

      • A Christian is anyone who believes Christ Jesus is their Savior… the Son of God made flesh… who was crucified for their sins… and rose again on the 3rd day.
        The fact is… the only message in the New Testament is… for Christians to share the Gospel and to forgive as they have been forgiven.
        Any so called confessing Christian who bombs abortion clinics is NOT doing what they are commanded to do…
        And on the flip side…
        A good muslim doing what they are commanded to do… enslaves, rapes, maims. mutilates, bombs, beheads, terrorizes and kills other humans.

      • The old and new testament condom all kinds of horrible things, sweetie. Check the papers. People all over the world are raping, bombing, beheading, terrorizing people.

      • Unless you’re a satanic worshipping muslim… you and everyone is an enemy of Islam… by default… in accordance to the satanic quran.
        If you ARE a satanic worshipping muslim… and NOT of the proper sect… you are also worthy of death for being an apostate.
        See… I’m an enemy of the worlds bully known as Islam just because I refuse to submit to allah and it’s prophet.
        Besides… why compare Islam to Christianity when muslims falsely claim Islam is an extension of Christianity?
        Don’t be stupid…

      • The Bible tells me not to do things, but I don’t care. (tattoos, wearing gold/pearls, touching footballs), am I a bad Christian?

      • Yes tattoos are wrong… wearing gold & pearls isn’t a no-no.. being intentionally rebellious like you are is also a no-no… touching footballs isn’t…
        With all that said… being a Christian is NOT about behaving and earning you way into Heaven…
        Those however; are what is expected from satanic worshipping muslims.
        Christianity is very simple… believe on the Lord Christ Jesus as your Savior and you and your house shall be saved.
        There is no other way to Heaven…

      • “Woe is you”?
        Not quite.. but you have spit in the face of God… which He can forgive you for…
        My question is… are you sure you are a Christian? Do you literally believe Christ Jesus as your Savior who was crucified for your sins? Do you believe Christ Jesus is the Son Of God? Do you believe He is the Word of God made flesh?

      • Actually, those are four questions, the answers to all are ‘yes’. And as we all sin, we all have spit in the face of God. So what’s this about tattoos?

      • Le 19:28… Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD

      • Philanthropussy – I think that both Muslims and Christians are responsible to condemn and oppose groups that depart from their faith and pervert it for evil. While it is true that we have had a few people (very, very few in recent centuries) of have killed in the name of Christianity – mainstream Christianity has consistently and vocally opposed them, because they have twisted Scripture and they deny the essential truths of the Bible. Islam clearly has a much greater problem than Christianity does with people acting violently, but few oppose the people committing such violence. Of course, doing so can get you killed…….. so it requires great courage to do so.

        Furthermore, you make the same mistake as most Muslims make in regards to who is a Christian. While make people have been Baptized as infants and/or may call themselves Christians – that does not mean that they are, in fact, Christians. I think we can both agree that it is relatively easy to become a Muslim – only a profession of faith is required. In contrast, becoming a Christian requires more than a profession of faith – it requires repentance and obedience as well as the external signs of faith such as baptism.

        Most Americans are not Christians – it is inaccurate to assume that Americans who do not take another faith position are automatically Christian in the way that those not taking another position in Muslim country can by assumed to be Muslim.

      • and you make the same mistake in thinking ALL Muslims are terrorist. Muslims are all over the world and only a few fanatics are committing crimes.

      • “Only a few [Muslims] are committing crimes?”
        If only 1% of the 1.2 billion Muslims are terrorists, that means we have millions of them trying to take over the ME and eventually the US. You’re either naïve, uninformed, or one of the Muslim terrorists.

      • Actually; that’s 1.68 Billion muslims… and at 1% that would equal nearly 17 million radicals that are devout to the satanic quran.

      • Philanthropussy,…..I CAN quote the “Koran” because I bought it to read and learn, because I think you should know your enemy. And islam is the enemy of mankind. I don’t have my “Koran” any longer because I tossed it into the garbage heap where it belongs.

      • I’ll prove it to you, no one in the last 200 years has sought to decapitate, rape, enslave, or oh yeah fly jet airliners into skyscrapers, except those following the “religion of peace” Islam.

      • no one??? I think you need to check the papers, honey. Rapes ( in the military, on college campus,) who blew up the Alfred E. Murrah building?, women and children are enslaved all around the world (sex slaves, children soldiers).

      • Certainly happy to oblige…the Bible never forces people to convert to following God or die…if you follow that your business, if you don’t follow that’s your business. The killing you see in the bible was simply God’s judgement on an utterly depraved and sinful community. Like the Canaanites. The same fate befell the Israelite when they turned away from God. So at least the God of the bible is consistent in his judgment of unrepentant sin.

        Mohammed and his rabid fanatics on the other hand have an inherent hatred of the Jews not because of any sin but simply because they don’t accept Mohammed as a prophet. Which they had good reason to, after all Mohammed was a forger who made up stories to sound like the bible.

        That’s why at Banni Qurayzar and Kaybar, he killed over a 1000 Jewish men and forced their daughters and wife into sex slaves.

        Islam is a perversion of all that is good and it’s worse because it masquerades itself as something that is good.

      • Yes, yes, yes and yes. Everything you say is true. It is satan described as the deceiver of the world (Rev 12:9) and allah is described as the best of schemers in the quran (quran 3:54).

        “And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.” Rev 12:9

        “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means ‘deceit’. We can easily establish deceiver from this.

        allah and satan are one in the same.

      • You don’t know your bible.

        “Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

        Taken out of context, the Muslims don’t have nothing on the Christians, also taken out of context, when it comes to brutality against non-believers.

      • this law was meant strictly for the jews under the mosaic laws and old covenant ,not for any gentile or non jewish nations and we all know judaism is not a proselytizing faith. secondly there are numerous verses in which GOD offers them forgiveness instead of judgement ,they even had sin offerings to atone for sins. multiply times in the old testament we see the israelites fall into idolatry and GOD forgives them and has mercy on them.
        christians are not under the mosaic law and this is an unambiguous teaching of the new testament, the entire premise of christianity is based on a new covenant of grace through JESUS CHRIST.

      • See also:

        Still want to tell us how Christianity never forces conversion? Never? Ever?

        Perhaps you’ll tell us that those who perpetrated these conversions weren’t really Christians. (which I would accept as true.)

        However, why do you get to tell us what group is really a Christian group following Christian principles when you deny that same right to the 93-percent of peaceful Muslims who reject radicalized jihadists?

      • What you don’t seem to understand or maybe even know is that God established a new covenant with the coming of Christ. You will have to do better than a huge sweeping generalized demand for proof to dispute “rapes, wife beating, incest, adultery.” The Bible is contextual. Contextual interpretation would require YOU to say exactly what you are referring to in order for anyone to provide any greater understanding to you, or as you call it “proof.”

      • The Qu’ran is contextual as well. 93-percent of the people who have dedicated their lives to learning about Islam read it to be a religion of peace and pluralism.

        What makes you think your 15 minutes of reading cherry picked quotes makes you more knowledgeable than they?

      • And you point? My comment was in reference to the Bible and asking the person to say exactly where in the context of the Bible they where asking to dispute rapes, wife beating, incest, adultery.

        I didn’t mention the quran and don’t know who the “93% of people” are you want to bring up. Who are they and what do they have to do with me asking for a context in the Bible to someone else btw TruConserv?

        You comment is typical of many apologists for islam. I don’t actually care what this 93% of people think, whoever they may be lol! I don’t base my knowledge of what some said group of people may think, but on my own research and study of facts dealing with islam.

        Without the hadith (the traditions) and the sira (life of mohammed), the quran is very difficult to understand alone. We have a huge amount of factual historical data, not opinion, that can form a very clear picture of what islam actually is outside of the holy books.

        Not sure what you mean by my 15 minutes of cherry picked quotes? And how this makes me more knowledgeable than “they?” What-ev.

      • Not one person here thinks you have done any serious study into the Qu’ran. You’ve read some internet articles and decided that you know better than some 1.4 billion people who have read and studied it every day of their lives.

        Let me guess, you think they’re all dirty liars, right?

      • Your assumptions are truly boring. You don’t know jack about me. I know that is hard for you to admit.

        Why don’t you respond to what I wrote? Are you incapable of doing that? I noticed you do that quite a lot, drift off into off into assumptions and accusations with absolutely nothing to back it up. I mean if you going to say something, at least have it be of some value. Make your point. But you don’t have one besides some half baked attack on me lol.

        No I don’t think “they” as you call them are “dirty liars” and have never wrote that.

      • Then why do 1.4 billion Muslims state they think their faith is a religion of peace?

        After all their study, are they just blind to what you were able to discern from 15 minutes of reading? It must be that or that are lying, so, please do explain.

      • Excellent TruConserv! Indeed: “. . .why do 1.4 billion muslims state they think their faith is a religion of peace?” Ask yourself the same question. I already know the answer, but you would not like it. Honestly don’t see the point in arguing the quran or islam with you. On a serious note, ask that question to yourself, and then set out to answer it. Attempting to harpoon me will never give you the answer. You will have to set aside your preconceived notions to learn anything though. Not sure you are willing to do that.

        Now, dear sweet man, I have spent much more than 15 minutes in the study of islam LOL! I am sure there are those who read from the internet and then place their opinions somewhere based on this in combination with the world’s current events. I am absolutely certain there are many people who have never opened a quran let alone own one and tried to read it. I am also certain that many people just go with the flow. I fit into none of these groups.

        Years ago, before online even was, I had to study the quran in my completion of a degree. At this time I was not a Christian but in fact what could only be described as a raging pagan! I did not have any bias whatsoever. I learned the history of islam for what it was. In many ways this was a good thing as there was not the distraction of the internet, and the study was REAL if you know what I mean.

        Years later for the second time I had to study the quran and the historical islam in advanced degree work. I hesitate to further explain my academic achievements to you in this blog as it does nothing but invite critique and so on. I’d rather not put up my professional resume and credentials to participate here or in some effort to prove anything to you or anyone else. I am a bit of a private sort.

        Again a third time I had to “study” the quran that covered nearly 2 years of course work, for a third time yes! I was rightly sick to death of it all by this time, but had to. So yes, I have studied more than 15 minutes lol! But talk is cheap no? I just won’t be baited into all that with you. I know what I know about the quran from much more than what anyone could ever learn online. btw what do you know about it all?

        But back with your comment: You again are assuming a great deal by saying that l.4 billion muslims have engaged in “study” of islamic history or even the quran for that matter. Think this for just a moment: study of quran is not memorizing quran.

        Again, your assumptions get the best of you. If you yourself have ever studied the history of islam you would never think of it as the religion of peace. You just could not do this coming from any position. Find out for yourself instead of just believing what muslims are telling you? That’s a question and a suggestion. It will take some effort and time to do so.

        If you truly want to understand islam, you have to start with history. A good starting point is the study of pre-islamic arab society. Work up into the birth and life of mohammed, I think around 580 C.E. which will lead you into how the quran came to be and ultimately islam.

        I really don’t know what else to say to you on the matter unless you want to engage specially.

      • You want to play games? I already told you to ask yourself and find out for yourself. If you cannot do that, don’t keep asking me. I won’t argue with you. It is pointless.

        You: “SO, why do they think theirs is a religion of peace?

        Can you just stop being so stupid and naive? At this point in our conversation, that is all I can really say as a response. Yes WHY DO YOU, THAT’S YOU TRUCONSERV, WHY DO YOU THINK THEY THINK THIS????????????????????????????

      • I’m not playing games. I know why I think Muslims think their religion is one of peace – because to them it is. They have read and studied the Qu’ran and they have the contextual, spiritual and instructional insight into the richness of their faith.

        I’m not a fanatic about Catholicism such that I think all other faiths are evil. Too many of the rightwing, as dsiplayed on this very board, believe Islam isn’t Christian therefor it is evil … and the rest is good ol’ fashioned confirmation bias.

        Now, why do you believe that 93-percent of all Muslims think Islam is a religion of peace?

      • I have a couple of questions for you…

        1. Am I an Infidel? (I’m Christian)
        2. Do you support jihad of any sorts?
        3. Why do most muslims NOT condemn Isis and other terrorist organizations, but instead seek to argue with Christians?

      • Check out my post above – but here are some answers:

        “Am I an Infidel? (I’m Christian)” – Traditional Islam would say no. Instead it places us Christians in another group called “People of the Book” or “People of Scripture”. We are viewed as worshiping the true God imperfectly and unlike pagans, we are to be “tolerated”.

        “Why do most muslims NOT condemn Isis and other terrorist organizations” – I think that fear plays a big role here. Remember, ISIS and other extremist groups have kill many more Muslims than Christians. Consider that ISIS let some Christians flee while executing Muslims that differred with their theology. However, for the first time, senior Imams in the Middle East have condemned ISIS in no uncertain terms.

        “but instead seek to argue with Christians?” – I would think that they do so for the same reason that I would make a case for Christianity to them. Of course, in the Muslim would that would get me killed.

      • Exactly. If ISIS is not Islam and if Islam is a religion of peace, and if these terrorists are not an accurate representation of what Islam is, then why are the true Muslims screaming to the world that ISIS does not represent them. I have heard NO outcry from them. Their silence speaks loudly. People listen!

      • Can you name a single Islamic group that has not condemned ISIS?

        Whom do you think is fighting ISIS in the streets in terrifying urban house-to-house combat? It’s the Muslims. ISIS is fighting Muslims, Muslims are fighting back … and you have the stones to claim that Muslims aren’t speaking out against ISIS? They’re speaking with their blood, their limbs, their lives.

        What have you done to stop ISIS?

      • I agree that some research is needed to come up with those verses (is surah the correct word?) — just as it takes research to dig out all the ‘dirt’ in the OT of the Bible. The point is that moderate Muslims seem unready to combat the murderous elements in their communities, whereas, in the case of that lunatic minister (now dead) of a small Baptist congregation was roundly pilloried by most Christians when he planned to burn a bunch of Q’rans. I take it from your picture that you’re a Muslim woman — or are you just faking it for effect?

      • Cherry pick? Do you know its meaning ..Pussy? Abaton7 gave you over 20 cites. I wouldn’t call that cherry picking.

      • Wow, off the top of my head, I can only cite 7 examples of violence, incest, rapes, genocide, adultery, beatings in the Bible. I guess he beats me. I’m sorry I have a job and can’t devote my time to research.

      • The Word of God does NOT condone these acts… never has and never will.
        However; the satanic quran, the satanic Islam world and it’s fake god and prophet do approve of these acts.
        Big difference…

      • “Who did Adam and Eve’s children procreate with?”

        Well… I don’t have an answer for that. Doesn’t mean God didn’t create other humans from dust… just so happens it started with Adam & Eve in the Garden eating from the Tree of Knowledge of good & evil.

        Q: Who did the fake god allah create for Adam’s & Eve’s children?

        And remember this… who was it that was cast from heaven alongside Lucifer?

      • Depends on what your def of a scholar is?
        What I do know is… I teach muslims how their totalitarian government cloaked in a religion is straight out of Babylonian Paganism which is satanic. Designed intentionally for opposition to Christianity…

        PS… Haven’t you heard? Education is brainwashing… to keep the simpletons from knowing the Truth..

        Q: Are you one of them?

      • You teach? Muslims actually want to hear any craziness coming out of your mouth?
        Education is brainwashing, but don’t you teach Muslims?

      • You need to read your bible. It condones human sacrifice, the slaying of children, rape, slavery, sexual slavery … under certain contexts and mostly in the Old Testament.

        Check out I don’t agree with their larger premise, but they do a GREAT job at citing the bible and showing how cherry picking scripture can lead one to think a faith is the exact opposite of what it truly is.

      • I would call it taking text out of context to serve your purpose or spread what ever hate propaganda you can. Why did you not cite the post of vincewarde? He/she made a very good point.

    • Speaking as a Christian minister who studies and interprets the Old and New Testament, the biggest problem with Islam is that verses such as those above either have no clear context, or are used outside of the known context by groups like ISIS. Unlike the Bible, which has few APPARENT contradictions, the Qur’an contains many verses that are contradictory to the above:

      The Qur’an teaches that Jews and Christians worship the same God as Muslims: Qur’an 2:139 Say (unto the People of the Scripture): Dispute ye with us concerning Allah when He is our Lord and your Lord? Ours are our works and yours your works. We look to Him alone.

      It also praises the faith of some Jews and Christians: Qur’an 3:113 They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allah during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer].

      And Qur’an 3:199 And indeed, among the People of the Scripture are those who believe in Allah and what was revealed to you and what was revealed to them, [being] humbly submissive to Allah . They do not exchange the verses of Allah for a small price. Those will have their reward with their Lord. Indeed, Allah is swift in account.

      Verses like the above are why Islam has traditionally viewed Jews and Christians as being different than pagans – and not subject to the many of the verses above.

      The huge problem – as I understand it – is that unlike the Old and New Testament – it is difficult to find what theologians call the normative truth vs. a command that is limited to a specific circumstance. Traditionally, Islam has usually viewed “people of scripture” as not being pagans or infidels – but as a third category who are to be tolerated – because they give priority to verses that speak positively of Christians in general. ISIS and many other extremist groups choose to ignore the verses that speak of Christians and Jews in a positive light and to instead focus on the verses like those above which mainline Muslims would say are no longer in force.

      Please understand that I’m not Muslim, I don’t accord the Qur’an the status of Scripture and I think Muslims need to do more to oppose groups like ISIS. I simply wanted to point out that there are Muslims who don’t want to kill us. In fact, Fox News reported that Christians who have fled have received phone calls from their former Muslim neighbors profusely apologizing that they could not protect their property from ISIS. Consider that these Christian communities lived side by side with Muslims for over 1,000 years – until ISIS came along.

      • Personally… I think you are deluded!
        Let me ask you… what is a Christian? What is a devout Christian? What makes a devout Christian?
        Now answer this… what is a muslim? What is a devout muslim? What makes a devout muslim?
        The fact stands… a muslim obeys their book. A devout muslim obeys what the commands are in that satanic book!
        And any muslim who doesn’t obey that satanic book is considered an apostate, worthy of death.
        So stop with the idea that muslims are misinterpreting their satanic book… you’re only making excuses like a watered down sissy of a Christian!

      • Tell me Tanya… what do you think is a “good Christian”?
        Then tell me… what Christ Jesus would say is a “good Christian”…
        Careful how you answer that too… Why? Because if you don’t know what a Christian is… then how could you define what a “good” Christian is?
        Looking forward to your answers…

      • Wow! Someone who some understanding of how to read text and when they are taken out of context by a bunch of crazies looking to manipulate the oil market. Thank you for your comments above.

      • I’ve read some Koran. I intend to read it all. What I’ve read so far is Surat 8, and bit and pieces of other Surats. I am determined to read the whole thing.
        What I have picked up so far is that as a work of history, it isn’t. It drops names of greats from the Jewish and Christian scriptures, names such as Moses, Noah, Jesus, and Mary, but you can’t learn much of anything about those people in the Koran. It just drops those names basically.
        In Surat 8, what is there? A lot of “Praise Allah” mixed in with hatred, hostility, and paranoia. The context that you claim the Koran is taken out of, what is that context. The only context I see is hatred, hostility, and paranoia. Did I miss something. So far, I haven’t found much love there.
        Shakespeare is a much better read.

  2. Read the koran or Quran or whatever the hell its called. All of Japan did not attack Pearl, just the military. So it is with the jihadists. They are the muslim army. Make no mistake about it. A cancer is growing.

  3. A message to all you muslims!
    You are serving a satanic religion! You are worshipping a fake god!
    Islam was created by satan in order to keep you from learning about Salvation in Christ Jesus!

    Islam is used as a tool to kill Christians to keep them from telling others about Christ Jesus!

    When you kill a Christian… you are doing the work of satan! You are silencing another voice who will spread the news about Salvation!

    Islam is satanic to the core! An evil scheme of trickery!

    Beware all you muslims… you are NOT serving the purpose of the True God of all creation!

    Beware all you muslims… you need a Savior!

    • A message to all you Christians!

      The god of satanic Islam is NOT the same God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, the Father of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus!

      DO NOT allow your Church leaders/Preachers to spew this ideology in your services! Rebuke any Church leader who ever says anything of the sort!

      satan does NOT indwell allah… the fake god called allah is no more a god than the steam rising off a pile dung in a cow pasture!

    • You know, lets not go overboard. Religion is just a set or rules to control the populace. The only way to really make sure said rules cannot be argued is to have them come from an imaginary diety that is all powerful and all controlling.

      Islam, Christianity, the Ancient Greek pantheon, all religions throughout human history or basically copy and pastes of each other, with a few changes to make them unique.

      Islam, in its fundamentalist stance, is crazy and violent. But then, Christianity had its periods where it was the exact same.

      Religion is about control, plain and simple.

      • “Religion is about control, plain and simple.”


        You sure can spew the words of a lemming… like a parrot…

        Get this… all religions are “copy and pastes” from the first… the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob… the beginning… the Holy Scriptures of creation…

      • The ironic thing is you called me a lemming for not buying into religion, and a parrot for NOT repeating hymns and chants in church.

        Im not sure where the lemming comment comes from, or the parrot. My conclusions are from years of sitting in Catholic church every Sunday, thinking about what the priest was saying. Like, actually thinking about it, not just nodding my head…like a lemming?

        I even served as an altar boy for years, thankfully an unmolested one. My opinions are my own.

        Additionally, I’m pretty sure the Egyptian belief structure predates Judaism, and then Hinduism is older than that. Even the Judaism stories have animal worship, which would predate almost everything.

        So, the God of Abraham would stand to be nothing more than a copy and paste from some older faith.

      • I see… the satanically influenced catholic fake church of lies and thievery sadly has messed you up.

        Thus… based upon what you’re saying… you are one confused parrot of a lemming… aye?
        PS… Save it bud. There’s nothing else you can say that can cover up your ignorance.

      • Wow. Uh, okay. You just summed up my entire point really, so there is nothing I can add to it. But if you don’t want to listen to logic, enjoy your sky wizard and zombie son.

        (THAT was parroting a talking point, since you don’t know the difference.)

      • Wrong…

        It’s apparent that your confused beliefs will not only take days/weeks to straighten out… it’ll be a waste of my time.

        Remember… you said… “Religion is about control, plain and simple.”

        Then added… “[you’re] pretty sure the Egyptian belief structure predates Judaism, and then Hinduism is older than that.”

        So I ask… Really? Based upon what? Science? How funny…

        Like I said… you’re a confused parrot of a lemming. Now I’ll add… stupid, brainwashed and full of hatred.
        PS… your turn.

      • Because you cant straighten me out. You have zero arguments against anything I said, except “because the bible says so.” But you don’t even break that one out. You simply cannot refute a single point I have made except to insult me, or just have no idea where to begin that doesn’t involve a bible quote. You summed up your entire argument with “Science? How Funny.”

        Judging from what I have seen from you, I wouldn’t expect you to understand this, BUT: Insults do not prove a point, win a debate, or put a disagreement to rest.

        But I am sure if you even reply it will be “you are stupid, and spiteful and a parrot and a lemming.”

        Ironic the dude repeating himself ad nauseam is accusing me of parroting something.

      • OK… fine…
        1) Then explain how Christianity controls the Christians… and what parts of the New Testament condone violence.
        2) Explain how the fake gods of Egypt described the creation of the heavens, earth, man and other fake gods.
        3) Explain how these fake gods of Egypt describe how evil entered this world, why it exists and what they plan on doing about it.
        4) Explain how Islam describes these as well…

        What’s apparent is that you are incapable of defining Christianity. Obviously; from your brainwashing from the satanically influenced catholic fake church of lies and thievery. <<< Can YOU grasp that!?
        You can't think straight because you were brainwashed and have a mixed up understanding of Christianity.

        Remember this… The Holy Bible DOES speak about "true religion"… meaning… all religion is NOT bad. Those that despise "religion" are spewing the satanic words they've heard others regurgitate. Meaning… they're typically non-thinkers. <<< Like you.

        My advice to you… get rid of everything you learned from the satanically influenced catholic fake church of lies and thievery [which serves satanic Islam] and start over. Because… down deep… you know I don't need to tell you that you need a Savior.

      • Millions? Wrong Tanya…
        The fact is more muslims die at the hands of other muslims than anyone.
        And there is evidence that clearly shows how those muslim deaths by other muslims are being counted in as kills by the US military.
        The question is why? Why would the Islamic controlled media intentionally hype up the facts and make American soldiers look horrible?
        I’ll tell ya… for multiple purposes… mainly to make the US look terrible… which leads to fake patriots leading the charge for revolution.
        Which leads to overthrowing governments and that way satanic Islam can step up as the new perfect totalitarian government to control the masses.
        It’s apparent Tanya… you are out of touch with reality.
        Let me explain this to you… now listen up…
        You are by default an enemy of satanic Islam worthy of death. There is nothing you can do to save yourself beyond becoming a satanic worshipping muslim.
        In fact… if you aren’t a muslim… you will be used as a sex slave… you can be raped… beaten.. tortured… maimed… mutilated… and killed without any remorse.

        It’s their duty and you are their booty for working towards forcing the entire world to submit to allah and it’s so called prophet.

        Why? Simply because you are their enemy. An Infidel… a worthless nothing…
        You can try to be as sweet as you can possibly be to them… it won’t matter! It will never matter how nice you are! Your tolerance of their intolerance won’t help you… ever!
        You are an Infidel worthy of death… and in the meantime… they will use your body for their personal gain and pleasure to forward their satanic Islam.
        Did you hear about the Fatwa that went out calling upon all young female muslims to go to the front lines of battle in Syria to provide sex to the Islamic militants?
        For those who did and do… they were rewarded with a for sure ticket to their so called paradise. This was even granted to those mothers who sent their young daughters for sex.
        The point is Tanya… Islam is satanic to the core… you are NOT dealing with sane people. You are dealing with militants that are commanded to take over the earth! You are dealing with brainwashed demented muslims that… LOVE DEATH more than you love life!
        Why do they believe such? It is their only for sure way to get into their so called paradise. Forcing the world to submit to allah…
        Wake up Tanya… you have been programmed to be all lovey dovey… just so satanic Islam can walk over you.

  4. All this rhetoric and pc crap is ridiculous. It’s not that hard to connect the dots to what this is. Even my five year old could do it.

  5. The truth of Islamis is best and most authoritatively stated in the clearest and most eloquent terms by Canada’s Tarek Fatah!! Here is his site:


    • What is a few? 10,000? 100,000?
      1% of all the satanic Islamic world? 10%?
      What is a few?
      Let me say… if only 1% of the 1.68 billion Islamic population was devout to the satanic quran… that would make 17 million terrorists.
      So let’s put this in perspective… the most populous city in America is NYC… which has roughly 19 million…
      And some sources speculate that devout to the satanic quran muslims average around 3%.
      And what is a devout to the satanic quran muslim?
      One who does what the satanic quran commands… enslaves, rapes, maims, mutilates, bombs, terrorizes and kills other humans…

    • Muslims still today blame all Christians for the acts during the Crusades. Islam is a dangerous ideology. Not all muslims are to blame but Islam IS!

    • First, what ISIS is doing is far worse and much more widespread than what a relatively small group of priests did. Second, what the priests did was against the Bible. Even the priests themselves would have to agree with that. Whether ISIS’s actions are against the Q’uran is debatable, even among Muslims. And third, I don’t think West was blaming all Muslims in this article. If someone wasn’t involved, they obviously aren’t to blame. I think he was blaming Islam itself.

      • West is not only blaming Muslims, he is insulting all Muslims and Islam as well. What ISIS and others do is also against Islam, and all reputable and well known scholars have condemned their group and their actions.

      • Most Muslim countries have come out against ISIS, while at the same time committing the same atrocities. The same countries that kill people for leaving Islam, being homosexual, practicing a different faith, or committing adultery, sometimes by beheading or stoning them, are attacking ISIS for beheading people. The same countries that don’t allow churches, Bibles, or openly Christian visitors are attacking ISIS for kicking Christians out of their country. Like I said, whether ISIS is acting against the Q’uran or not is debatable. Clearly these countries, which include hundreds of millions of Muslims and are the center of the Islamic faith, don’t think that killing homosexuals, adulterers, or nonbelievers is contrary to Islam.

      • List these countries please – and list the ISIL styled atrocities they permit.

        I’m sure the list will be illuminating.

      • Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Iran all kill people for adultery, homosexuality, and leaving Islam. These deaths, particularly in Saudi Arabia, can include beheading, stoning, and public hanging. Qatar and the United Arab Emirates also have the death penalty for converting out of Islam. I guess I was wrong to say “most” countries. It’s closer to half the Muslim countries in the Middle East. That still represents tens, if not hundreds, of millions of Muslims, and is at the very center of Islam.

      • I am afraid that your information is wrong about these countries. Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar have more non-Muslim workers in their countries than anywhere else. They allow them to practice whatever religion they are. Do some more research before you spread anymore propaganda.

      • First, that’s not true. “Crimes” punishable by death in Saudi Arabia currently include apostasy from Islam (which is by beheading), blasphemy (like saying Jesus is the Son of God), and sorcery and witchcraft (which rules out various religions). And second, I never said there weren’t Christians in the countries. I said that Muslims cannot leave Islam, and that in Saudi Arabia, Christians are not allowed to bring Bibles or other religious items into the country, to build churches, or to openly practice their faith. They are only allowed to practice in private, and even then are sometimes raided and arrested. Saudi Arabia barely even tolerates non-Muslims in their country.

        And as for research:

        Qatar and UAE are better, but they still don’t allow open practicing of non-Muslim religions, or apostasy from Islam.

      • What are the believers of Islam doing to reign in the actions of those “evil-doers” who say they are of the same belief? No effective actions have been taken to stop these terrorist activities from the collective people of Islam as far as the world knows. If a collective action has occurred, please forward it to every news network (A lot of people need to see it). Being a by-stander equals consent and is something the community of Islam might want to start thinking about and taking seriously if they are really trying to convince the world they only seek to coexist.

      • Other than the world wide condemnation of ISIS by every well known Muslim scholar, every Arab and non-Arab group and organization, and all Muslims coming out against these people, what else would you like them to do? The only thing left to do is take up arms.

  6. “I don’t hate Muslims, I hate Islam”
    -Geert Wilders

    Dutch politician Geert Wilders had long tried warning the UK about Islamists but they banned him for “hate speech”. Imagine that!

    LTC West shows great courage, great leadership and certainly is no pantywaist. His leadership makes me feel a little more safe. Would feel even more safe if he were in the White House. We need to draft him to run for President 2016.

      • Which is what, exactly? Doing nothing but spreading propaganda and fear mongering. He has no understanding of other cultures or religions, and plays on others fears and lack of knowledge to spread propaganda.

      • Tanya… your problem is… you can’t think clearly.
        Get some understanding… God loves everyone… but He hates sin.
        The same principle can apply to your children… you love them… but hate when they are engaged in wrong acts.
        Therefore; we can love muslims as individuals/humans… but we can hate their satanic totalitarian government which enslaves, rapes, maims, mutilates, bombs, beheads and kills other humans.
        It would appear as if you lack understanding of satanic Islam… aye?
        My advice… don’t attempt to correct others when you are the one that is wrong.

      • What he is DOING is telling the truth. Not some politically correct, leftist “everything is equal” line of BS. Some things really ARE right and others wrong. There IS good and evil. All cultures are NOT equal. Despite what the PC police would have us believe, a religion and/or culture that subjugates women into a glossed-over life of slavery, and commands its followers to murder anyone who dares to think for themself and chooses to believe something different, who cuts off people’s hands and heads and stones people to death, who mutilates little girls in order to control them, who beats women for going outside alone or not wearing a black sack that covers them totally and dehumanizes them, who ban music and dance and any form of personal, expression, who subjects little children to brainwashing and makes them dream of becoming suicide bombers, who uses its resources to murder others instead of using them to take care of their own….my gosh, I could keep going and going….no, Tanya, I will never, EVER equate that religion or culture with my own. We have our faults, certainly, but our culture is basically good at its heart. What I just described is nothing but deranged and evil. Period.

      • His logic is fine. Obviously, Mr Wilders was saying he did not hate specific individuals simply because they were Muslim, indicating he could see that religion is only one aspect of what makes up a person as a whole. He can dislike, or even hate a person’s religious culture but still realize that the person himself is kind, or generous, or smart, or any number of other good qualities. A man’s (or woman’s, I am using the word inclusively in the interest of space) religion is NOT the man himself. One is just a part of the other and vice versa. I am a Christian and I try my best to love my fellow human beings. But even within my own faith there are fanatics whom I thoroughly detest- the self-righteous, the people who blow up buildings and shoot people they disagree with, and those who demand that everyone believe lock, stock, and barrel as they do. That’s the same thing Mr Wilders was saying. You can love a person while hating the faith or creed they claim. Just as there are Jews who don’t keep kosher, and Catholics who use birth control, and Christians who divorce and remarry, there are Muslims who don’t think it’s okay, much less required to murder non-Muslims. I know Muslins I like and respect, but I cannot like or respect a religion that advocates the barbaric, medieval era, disgusting behavior we are currently witnessing. It’s not our fault if you can’t understand that logic.

      • The logic is perfect and relevant. OF COURSE WE DO NOT GO HATING ON EVERY INDIVIDUAL MUSLIM.

        Just ask Churchill said: “Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it.”

        How does anyone in their right state of mind in this modern world respect a religion/political thing such as islam and support it or take it to your breast and love it? It is not of THIS WORLD, but from a barbaric world of the past. There are those that just can not wrap their brains around it all.

    • Only the low-IQ crowd believes the hogwash as you put is the West puts out. I don’t know how anyone with any sense believes a word he says.

      • 18. Modern leftish philosophers tend to dismiss reason, science, objective reality and to insist that everything is culturally relative. It is true that one can ask serious questions about the foundations of scientific knowledge and about how, if at all, the concept of objective reality can be defined. But it is obvious that modern leftish philosophers are not simply cool-headed logicians systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge. They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality. They attack these concepts because of their own psychological needs. For one thing, their attack is an outlet for hostility, and, to the extent that it is successful, it satisfies the drive for power. More importantly, the leftist hates science and rationality because they classify certain beliefs as true (i.e., successful, superior) and other beliefs as false (i.e., failed, inferior). The leftist’s feelings of inferiority run so deep that he cannot tolerate any classification of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or inferior. This also underlies the rejection by many leftists of the concept of mental illness and of the utility of IQ tests. Leftists are antagonistic to genetic explanations of human abilities or behavior because such explanations tend to make some persons appear superior or inferior to others. Leftists prefer to give society the credit or blame for an individual’s ability or lack of it. Thus if a person is “inferior” it is not his fault, but society’s, because he has not been brought up properly.

      • .|| But it is obvious that modern * rightwing * philosophers are not simply cool-headed logicians systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge. They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality. They attack these concepts because of their own psychological needs.

        With one word change, I was able to turn your argument on its head – you want to know why? Because all you offered was empty rhetoric and venomous attacks. Not a single verifiable fact was offered.

        If your writing can be undone with a simple search-and-replace, you’ve got more work to do before you share it with others.

      • “They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality.”
        Verifiable fact: There has been no Global Warming since before Al Gore’s movie ‘The Inconvenient Truth’ came out.
        Want more? What’s the point? But here’s a bonus.
        I met a leftist Phd., a white man who tuned into to the Reverend ‘N’ word Al Sharpton’s show on MSNBC everyday. He said Sarah Palin was stupid. I asked him for any evidence he had that could support that statement. He said that Sarah Palin said that she could see Alaska from her back porch. That’s all he had. I told him that Tina Fey said that, not Sarah Palin. Not having any evidence now, did not disabuse him of his opinion. Sarah Palin was still stupid in his opinion. He votes the same way as the OJ Simpson jury to this day.

      • It is not anecdote that there has been no global warming in the last twenty years.
        The anecdote was a bonus, and it’s a true story.
        There are plenty of other facts, i.e. Detroit, Gary, Venezuela, Obama…..

      • I’m a mainstream republican, I just can’t stand poor debate from the fringe that tarnishes the mainstream.

        The point you are trying to make is that all Leftists do something and you offered the anecdote about how your PhD friend replied to your argument.

        You weren’t arguing Global Warming, you were arguing Leftist attitudes.

        You offered an anecdote about Leftist attitudes.

        Do you finally understand?

      • Global Warming/ Climate Change is a leftist cause. You wanted a fact. I gave you the fact that there hasn’t been any Global Warming in twenty years. Do remember Gore’s Academy Award winning movie? There’s record amounts of ice at the poles and the polar bears are thriving.
        You are not a tru (sic) conservative and you are not a mainstream Republican.
        No reply is necessary.

      • I didn’t want a fact within an anecdote – that still leaves an anecdote. I wanted a fact that supported your assertion that all lefties think the same way.

        You offered an anecdote of a leftist thinking poorly, perhaps, based on a fact based claim, but that doesn’t go to your premise – that lefties think the same way, act the same way, are emotionally invested, etc.

        See the difference?

      • 223. Some readers may say, “This stuff about leftism is a lot of crap. I know John and Jane who are leftish types and they don’t have all these totalitarian tendencies.” It’s quite true that many leftists, possibly even a numerical majority, are decent people who sincerely believe in tolerating others’ values (up to a point) and wouldn’t want to use high-handed methods to reach their social goals. Our remarks about leftism are not meant to apply to every individual leftist but to describe the general character of leftism as a movement. And the general character of a movement is not necessarily determined by the numerical proportions of the various kinds of people involved in the movement.

        224. The people who rise to positions of power in leftist movements tend to be leftists of the most power-hungry type, because power-hungry people are those who strive hardest to get into positions of power. Once the power-hungry types have captured control of the movement, there are many leftists of a gentler breed who inwardly disapprove of many of the actions of the leaders, but cannot bring themselves to oppose them. They NEED their faith in the movement, and because they cannot give up this faith they go along with the leaders. True, SOME leftists do have the guts to oppose the totalitarian tendencies that emerge, but they generally lose, because the power-hungry types are better organized, are more ruthless and Machiavellian and have taken care to build themselves a strong power base.

        225. These phenomena appeared clearly in Russia and other countries

      • Quoting someone else’s bad logic doesn’t improve yours, especially when you are quoting the Unabomber’s Manifesto.

        You’re quoting a terrorist.

      • Congratulations. You’re the first to catch on to Kaczynski’s Manifesto. It’s an interesting read, a bit over the heads of Harvard and Yale simpletons. It’s too bad he killed what? two more people than Ted Kennedy killed? Well, he’s paying for it. If he had been a leftist luminary, he could be a professor like Bill Ayres, or a Senator for Life like Kennedy.
        I wouldn’t call it bad logic. It’s well thought out.
        P.S. It isn’t anecdote that the polar ice caps are as big as they have ever been in your lifetime. And it’s not anecdote that left wing kooks like Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry and damn near everyone on the left are mindlessly chanting the babble that “climate change”, (formerly “global warming” until the record snowfalls and blizzards began slamming us), is the greatest danger we face. Meanwhile, they jet around the world leaving carbon footprints the size of the Great Chicago Fire of 1871.

      • When your point is that all liberals think alike, then those are just anecdotes. You need to support your major premise.

      • More facts about the left’s aversion to objective reality was on full display in the case of Robert Zimmerman versus Trayvon Martin. Do you remember how NBC altered the 911 tape? The objective reality is that Zimmerman had every right to be on that sidewalk and he had every right to investigate a suspicious lurking character. Martin had no right to punch Zimmernan and pummel him the way he did. Yet the left went bananas over the killing of Martin.
        1,600 white people are killed by blacks every year, more than the KKK has killed in 147 years. Yet, whose side did the left take in that matter? Not the side of objective reality.

      • I agree with you about Zimmerman, but you’re not getting it.

        You’re still giving anecdotes.

        Prove that ALL leftists, leftists in general, are … whatever it was you and the terrorist known as the Unibomber said they did.

      • 15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they
        hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.

      • Swap and paste Leftists with ringwingers and your paragraph still makes sense, that because all you’ve done is toss out insults. You haven’t formulated an argument.

      • Oh? I don’t think West lies. Obama lies all the time . Hillary Clinton too. Look at Benghazi. Who did they blame that on? Some guy who made a video. And they threw that guy in prison. You don’t know about Benghazi probably, because the news that you feed on, what? NPR? NBC? They can’t report on it because they carry Obama’s water. They lick his balls. They cover up his crimes. Do you remember the federal raid on Gibson Guitar Company? No you don’t. That was Obama punishing his enemies. He’s a pig and the people who voted for him are morons. He’s going prison. And the criminal Holder too.

  7. | After all, he removed Sir Winston’s bust from the White House, an act revealing his true self. |

    You, Mr. West, are a blathering idiot.

    The bust remains where it has always been – in the residence.

    A copy of the bust was lent to Bush, and in accord with custom, it was returned by the curator at the end of the Bush presidency.

    From the White House:


    Since my post on the fact that the bust of Winston Churchill has remained on display in the White House, despite assertions to the contrary, I have received a bunch of questions — so let me provide some additional info. The White House has had a bust of Winston Churchill since the 1960’s. At the start of the Bush administration Prime Minister Blair lent President Bush a bust that matched the one in the White House, which was being worked on at the time and was later returned to the residence. The version lent by Prime Minister Blair was displayed by President Bush until the end of his Presidency. On January 20, 2009 — Inauguration Day — all of the art lent specifically for President Bush’s Oval Office was removed by the curator’s office, as is common practice at the end of every presidency. The original Churchill bust remained on display in the residence. The idea put forward by Charles Krauthammer and others that President Obama returned the Churchill bust or refused to display the bust because of antipathy towards the British is completely false and an urban legend that continues to circulate to this day.

    • In all respect, you are very miss inspired:

      The utter DEGRADATION OF WOMEN in itself is enough to understand what is “islam.” Please try to justify these atrocities under islam, just try please, AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY they do not understand islam.

      Until so your comment can only be taken as ignorant.

      Churchill wrote: ” The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.”

      NOTHING has changed in islam. Nothing. Women were slaves in the beginning of islam and they are slaves now in islam. What say you to your higher “understanding.”

      DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS QUOTE. Please, what are your questions.
      Islam has not evolved from the 7th century mindset. It does not allow as a religion to leave this slavery behind. Islam does not allow for freedom. Yes Winston Churchill understands it and so does West.

      Islam is another word for slavery depending on your sex.

      • Whats funny is that you, West andChurchill speak of and confuse the people preaching Islam, with the words if Islam.

      • Yes, I would agree. But mostly it is not confusion, it is hatred because of what some believers do in the name of Islam.


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    • It seems that YOU are totally dense as you do not understand islam period. When you can read the words in black and white, you can listen to the words the imams preach, and you can see with your own two eyes the results, and still deny the facts before you, you are either willfully ignorant or a complete moron.

    • I don’t think Mr. West puts much stock in understanding anything…..sounds like the GOP. Just go against it because they were told to.

  8. I assume you have not read the Old Testament have you Mr. West! It speaks of killing every living thing that did not follow the Creator’s laws for obedient living for a time. It is the misguided teachings, preachings that distort and twist the true meaning of any religions words. The apostle Paul misunderstood and misrepresented the truth of Christ. The word of God is inerrant, but the preching of it can be. Look closely at the Quran, it is based off of the peace of the old testament, bt the teaching of it is flawed by the extremest. YOu have islam followers that condemn what isis is doing because they are perverting its teachings. SInce Paul taught God’s word incorrectly, does that mean Christianity is an extremist religion? God had a season and reason for His laws, ISIS did not learn or grow in the true teaching or meaning. They follow and teach a perverted belief of the Quran.

  9. I lived 20 years in East Londonistan. These comments about islam being peaceful make me so sad. Britain is uncovering a nation wide islamic rape crime epidemic on an unprecedented scale at the moment, I’m talking in the thousands, children as young as 10 years old damaged for life. It’s all over the BBC news. This is happening all over Europe. Check Sweden and Norway. I wonder how you will feel when it’s your child? Why not learn from the mistakes of other nations have made. Yeah, religion of peace, you people have absolutely no concept of what’s coming.

    Philanthropussys reply:-

    I don’t believe in guilt by association. All religion have had their own nutcases doing horrible things. Evils things done on the name of a God, distortion of bibles. Manipulating people, esp women.

    Philanthropussy, Ah..! that makes it all ok then!!!
    When Philanthropussy is faced with facts she is crushed to nothing and tries to divert the conversation.
    Lies and diverting is known as Taqiyya (تقية )


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