Bogus unemployment again: If 92 million aren’t working, 6.1% can’t be true

I want you all to comprehend this simple tidbit. Our U.S. unemployment rate cannot possibly be 6.1 percent. The only way it can be reported as such is by ignoring those no longer participating in the workforce.

As reported by CNS News, “A record 92,269,000 Americans ages sixteen and older, did not participate in the labor force in August. The labor force participation rate matched a 36-year low of 62.8 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The labor force participation rate has been as low as 62.8 percent in six of the last twelve months, but prior to last October had not fallen that low since 1978.”

You see, this is what happens when we have a progressive socialist media reporting only half truths favorable to Obama. What Americans hear and see is that the unemployment rate in America is 6.1 percent. But what they do not realize is that when you force more people out of the workforce, you have a different pool for making the calculations.

Here is the case for analysis. As CNS Reports, “the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) employment statistics are based on the civilian non-institutional population, which consists of all people 16 or older who were not in the military or an institution such as a prison, mental hospital or nursing home. In August, the civilian non-institutional population was 248,229,000 according to BLS. Of the 248,229,000 people only 155,959,000—or 62.8 percent – actually participated in the labor force. This means they either had a job or have actively sought one in the last four weeks. “

“The 92,269,000 people who did not participate in the labor force, are those in the civilian non-institutional population who did not have a job or actively seek one in the last four weeks. Therefore, if they did not seek a job, they do not count as “unemployed.”

Here is the math, per CNS. “Of the 155,959,000 people who did participate in the labor force, 146,368,000 of those people had a job. 9,591,000 people did not have a job but actively sought one. Those 9,591,000 people are the unemployed. They equaled 6.1 percent of the labor force—or an unemployment rate of 6.1 percent.”

Folks, imagine if that 92,269,000 number were classified as “unemployed?” Yep, that’s why the real unemployment rate in America is closer to 12 percent. Can you imagine the ramifications for the Obama administration if that was the truth reported to the American people?

Another example of politicized math is when Obama touts he has “cut the deficit in half.” This is a promise that was supposed to happen at the end of his first term – nah. In Obama’s first term deficits were $1.4 trillion, $1.29 trillion, $1.3 trillion, and $1.08 trillion. When you explode the deficit to record highs, and it begins coming down to $700 billion, it seems great. While that’s still high, it has been cut in half – but not in Obama’s first term.

Why continue to occupy the la-la-land of high Dow Jones Industrial average numbers reflecting the results of “quantitative easing?” The folks on Main Street know it’s not going well. Be wary of the Orwellian manipulation of economic numbers, because as long as Obama is in the White House – you’re not going to get the truth from the media.

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capn-gary
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I think that they’re probably adding in all of the ILLEGAL ALIENS as ‘citizens’ in those numbers, too, which also waters down the unemployment rate.

Brendan
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Are retirees in that number?
What about students?
Or how about this one Mr West… what about all the stay at home moms?
All the wealthy trust fund people?
What about you, Mr West?
You don’t have a job.
i know you make a fortune from ad revenue on your site and speaking appearances and book sales… but aside from milking your followers for money, do you have a job?

Earl Lee
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Don’t forget the TEE SHIRTS!! SALES are BOOMING!!!

Josh Beach
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After military service, he worked as a history teacher, then at a weapons contractor.

Robert Luebbers
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Do the math yourself. It’s not that hard. Or drink some more
Kool Aid. Me, I prefer tea.

Brendan
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My math is fine. I just like full facts before jumping to outrageous assumptions.
I know that’s a foreign concept there.

Don Anastas
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Here’s the real math for real U6 unemployment which was 12 percent at the end of August. The math, which isn’t fuzzy, makes the crooks, liars and looters – i.e. politicians, eyes glaze over. Have a look. http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp – Scroll down the page for complete explanations on the different unemployment numbers and how they are arrived at.

Thomas A. Rice
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When a Democrat is in the White House, the lame stream media will do whatever it can to prop them up, including reporting half truths. “TAS,” the old Soviet Propaganda agency would be proud of the Modern American Media.

Guest
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How did the mainstream media report about unemployment during the Bush years? What numbers did they report?

I remember hearing about unemployment rates, not participation rates. A search of LEXIS-NEXIS confirmed that … where is your information coming from?

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judy
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if 93 million of 248 million are not participating that is about 38%.

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Yo, Mr. W – before you embarrass yourself further, jump on LEXIS-NEXIS and search for how many unemployment stories during the Bush administration mentioned the participation rate during 8 years and then compare that with articles written during the Obama 6 years. In direct contrast to your claim that the mainstream media is covering for Obama, more stories have been written about the Obama participation rate during six years that about the Bush participation rate during eight years. Was the mainstream media also covering for Bush? What’s sad is that you think your readers are too stupid and lazy to… Read more »
Andy Martin
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TruConserv
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I don’t read anything in the post blaming Bush. You need to come up with a new Jedi-Mind trick …

Andy Martin
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Of course you don’t Carney.

Robert Luebbers
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The participation rate during the Bush and Clinton era was around 66%. Each percentage point is about 3 million people. So approximately 9 million people have stopped looking for work. Do the math, instead of 6% the real unemployment number is closer to 12%. Drink the Kool Aid. Me, I’ll have some tea.

TruConserv
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The poster is not defending Obama – he can live and die on his own numbers and effort. The post is mocking West for his whining that the Media, in reporting U3 and not U6 is covering for Obama. However, if the Media has always reported U3, be it for (R) or (D) Administrations, then West is just another conspiracy spitting loon that makes the Conservative Movement look bad. As the post reveals – the Media typically reports U3 and not U6, and as such West is just a loon. NB: Google U3 and U6 if needed – U3 is… Read more »
Andy Martin
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[[ The poster is not defending Obama – he can live and die on his own numbers and effort.]]

Who are you? This poster’s sock puppet? You definitely are a Tru CON. Quit sucking Obama’s arse here all the time and deal with reality. We now have an economy of 29 hour a week service workers and landscapers thanks to Obama. Between his onerous EPA regs as well as job killing ACA, job prospects are slim and none unless you are educated. And even then it’s tough. The poster is playing ‘blame Bush’. Quit diverting.

TruConserv
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I’m not diverting anything – you didn’t understand what was going on so I corrected you. In response, you lost your freakin’ mind.

Go figure.

Andy Martin
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You’re too stupid to correct me fraud. Unless you’re the poster’s caretaker, mind your own business.

Rrddbb
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I would say that his readers are quite informed and that only a blind obedient demoncrat obamanoid sh%thead would dispute that bammo’s economy and everything else he’s touched has turned into a giant POS. Millions of Americans would be very happy to “participate” in any job they can get. Unfortunately, berry bammo has seemed to turn many working Americans into demoncrat welfare slobs, most, who are repulsed by what HE has done to their livelihoods and their nation in general. Obammo the destroyer has done what no other president has managed to do. You lose, as has America.
TruConserv
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The complaint is that the Media is covering for Obama. If the media is using the same metrics (aka apples-to-apples) as when it covered the Bush Administration, then West is lying to you about the media being in the pocket of Obama.

Andy Martin
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Do you stupidly think the economy is better under Obama than it was under Bush?

TruConserv
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Depends. On average, Bush wins. Compared to the end of Bush’s tenure, Obama wins. It’s a false comparison, however, as each was dealt a different hand. One can be critical of both Bush and Obama, as am I. Bush squandered national fortune, Obama blew the recovery. Bush would have done worse at the recovery than Obama, I think, because he wasn’t much of a conservative when it came to true economic principles. I’m still looking for the candidate who can combine strong traditional, small government conservative values with a modern foreign policy. It sure as heck ain’t West. Whom do… Read more »
Andy Martin
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What do you mean ‘it depends’? We are where we are now thanks to everything I mentioned. Prove me wrong. Don’t just blurt out some mindless ramblings without evidence.

Of course GW was not a conservative. He wasn’t one in Texas either. But he sure as hell wouldn’t have gone on a multi-trillion dollar sending spree on the midst of an economic downturn. Get off Obama’s jock.

Who the hell said West was even running? You seem to have this thing for West. Who do I want? Romney, just like the last time. ANYONE but a slimy lib-scum.

TruConserv
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Was I unclear? On average, Bush was better. Measuring today against the last day of Bush, Obama has done better.

How is that hard to understand?

Andy Martin
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Figures lie and liars figure. And only morons think the economy is better now than 7 years ago. After you finish servicing Obama, Krugman awaits his turn.

TruConserv
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Yes, the facts are against you, so dismiss them with a simplistic saying such as “liars figure.”

Sorry that statistics (figures) frighten you. For the rest of us, they form the basis for economic knowledge.

Considering you’re not impressed with them, I won’t bore you with them, lest your little head explode.

Andy Martin
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Here ya go Obama’s footman……… http://www.forbes.com/sites/briandomitrovic/2013/10/01/obamas-economy-is-worse-than-bushs-by-obamas-own-numbers/ Obama’s Economy Is Worse Than Bush’s, By Obama’s Own Numbers Comment Now They can’t even goose GDP growth with their spending (Photo credit: 401(K) 2013) President Obama is fond of saying that he came into office in 2009 when the economy was in free-fall, when we were suffering from the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, among other clichés. It’s time we took the President at his word, at face value. If the economy was in fact in a desperate state when Barack Obama became president in January 2009, then his economic policies… Read more »
TruConserv
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Check the dateline for the story … I’ve stated that overall we were better off during Bush. But, we’re better off today than we were on the last day of Bush. Here’s the intelligent way for doing this exercise. Make a list of economic measure that you think are important. Rank or weight them. THEN, THEN go get the number from Bush’s last day and today. Then you can determine whether I am right or not. I admit, the stock market is my primary measure, and others may not want to give that measure so much weight. Tell me what… Read more »
Andy Martin
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Then supply a dateline where the economy is better under Obama instead of making up imaginary economists who think Obama is doing well.

[[ Here’s the intelligent way for doing this exercise. ]]

You don’t have the aptitude for intelligence.

As fa as your ‘exercise’ goes, it’s your idea so you go first. Defend the Golfer-In-Chief. And you use the stock market as a measure? You’re too stupid for words. So bring your list Obamite.

Anonymous Patriot
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I suspect that “Charlie”, Obama’s Tranny Wife, is behind the death of Joan rivers.

I know Isil/Isis is satanic evil, and, as a strategic planner, and tactician, I know we
must kill them, but, BHO will not really go for it…

Too many cool aid drinkers still have the free phones (I know several folks who have 5 or more!), and this economy really does suck, for honest citizens…

Earl Lee
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You LOONS complain about the jobs numbers but yet support domestic terrorist that doesn’t want the jobs numbers to fall! Those domestic terrorist are happy when the unemployment numbers are high so they can use those numbers for political points. Those domestic terrorist has convinced millions of LOONS that they’ve proposed job bills when in actuality they are nothing more than deregulation bills and more tax cuts for the wealthy!

Andy Martin
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[[ Those domestic terrorist are happy when the unemployment numbers are high so they can use those numbers for political points. ]]

Like Obama did in ’07 against Bush?

Earl Lee
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Really dude…when this domestic terrorist treaten to not raise the debt ceiling and shut down the government hurting the economy hurting jobs!

Andy Martin
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Hey moron. The demwits shut the govt down 8 times when Reagan was POTUS. No one lost anything nor did I hear leftards wailing back then. Now stop the left-nut two-step and get back to the point. Hussein was all over GW making ‘political points’ per the economy in ’07. Libocrite scum.

THEyardpilot
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So, you support the government spending trillions of dollars it doesn’t have to support jackwads that contribute nothing to the country. Fascinating.

Earl Lee
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So you support trillions going to companies the move the jobs overseas? Call one of these companies and I’ll bet you 22 cents that the person answering the phone has a accent!

Andy Martin
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That goes back to Carter fool. Again, you opportunistic lib-scum chirp when a Republican is in office. Not a demwit. Tell you story walkin’ hypocrite. And the discussion is about govt spending.

Earl Lee
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Tea party idiots like Allen west always say government can’t create jobs – yet Allen west is blaming Obama for not creating enough jobs ?

Robert Luebbers
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Government doesn’t create jobs, but government policies can either stimulate or impede job growth primarily through tax policies and government regulations, red tape and bureaucracy. John F. Kennedy, the darling of the Democrat Party was for lower business and personal income taxes to stimulate business growth in the 1960’s. By his policies, he would be booted out of Democrat Party and is probably too conservative for most Republicans in Congress (RINO’s). But he’d be welcome in the Tea Party. You can drink the Kool Aid. Me, I’ll have some tea.

Earl Lee
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So basically you want it both ways….

Robert Luebbers
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No, what I want is smaller government, lower taxes (both personal and corporate) and fewer government regulations. I don’t want the government picking winners and losers in business and industry (Solyndra and a dozen or so other “Green Energy” companies owned by Obama bundlers that all went bust with billions of our tax dollars, or General Motors where the UAW was given partial ownership and bond holders (investors) were sent packing). Do you think the Stock Market is soaring because business and industry is doing so great or could it be that the Fed is pumping billions of dollars a… Read more »
THEyardpilot
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No, bigot, we want the reality of it to be seen.

Bluemoon
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Earl, I been searching work for 3 years and still searching. In a few month I have to sell my house. No idea where I’m going to live. Obama done nothing…nothing.

Earl Lee
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Really? Let me tell you MY story. I walked into my job of 3 years and was told….”YOUR POSITION IS BEING ELIMINATED IN 2 WEEKS ….YOU CAN APPLY FOR ANOTHER POSITION” I decided I HATED THAT COMPANY (Kemper Insurance) so I decided to leave. Talked it over with the wife (that worked for Kemper Insurance) and we decided to leave. Not the JOB but the ENTIRE STATE…so on May 24, 2014 we started to drive to San Antonio, Texas….no place to live…didn’t know anyone here and NO JOB! Once we arrive in San Antonio we paid for a hotel for… Read more »
Billie Dale
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I only up-vote you due to your ‘get up and go’ attitude -but entire cities cannot abandon themselves and relocate in Texas. Living here most of my life, I think I can speak for me and my family living near the TN/VA state line and influences of eastern Kentucky. The joblessness rate in this region has skyrocketed during Barrack Obama’s time as Commander in Chief and we are still plummeting. It simply doesn’t matter to us what the ‘official’ unemployment figures are publicized to be -all we have to do is look around to see the houses empty and abandoned… Read more »
Earl Lee
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Facts do not support your argument! Sorry

Billie Dale
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Earl, old buddy -you’re reading the factsheet upside down.
I’m a hard worker -worked like a dog ever since I was 14 years old, raised 4 kids and lived most of my 54 years dedicated from daylight until dark to whatever labor there was before me -but friend, I am making the statement that the joblessness in this country is so massive and so devastating that we will be dealing with its scars for many, many years to come.

Earl Lee
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I applaud you for working hard! I’m just sick of some loons believing that only republicans work and only democrats get assistance!!!

Andy Martin
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Your endorsement for Rick Perry and red state success is greatly appreciated. In spite of Obama, GOP guvs have done well.

Earl Lee
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No endorsement turning a red state blue!!!

Andy Martin
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Let it go lefty. You’re busted. You had to go to a GOP state in order to get a job. I understand.

Earl Lee
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You idiot…when did I say I moved to Texas for a job? Idiot…I moved to San Antonio for the WEATHER YOU IDIOT!!

Andy Martin
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Sit down and stop yelling. Your post said it all. You left the state you were in and went to Texas to get work.

Bluemoon
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Earl, you are one of the few lucky people who found a job. You think I enjoyed mowing other people yard with my own lawn mower? You don’t think I’m worrying about losing my house? I just recently lost my weekend job to a illegal immigrant at the ranch for 7 buck an hour. Owner said the Border Patrol and DHS is not going to do anything about it so he’s hiring mexican. I have two technical college degrees. I hired a professional resume writer to help me improve my resume. Week after week I searched and applied for work.… Read more »
Earl Lee
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One again don’t blame Obama for you not getting a job…that’s on you

Bluemoon
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Earl, I had a job working for aviation industry that does modifications for military and commercial aircrafts. Obama cuts lot of governments contract jobs. They cut lot of people lose, but I was offered another job in Florida doing the same thing. I was suppose to move there in 2 weeks but they got cut too. Lot of military soldiers were forced to retired early due to Obama’s cut on spending. 21,000 people lost their civil service job due to cuts and closing some of the military bases. I can go on and on. Everything Obama does affect everyone. When… Read more »
Earl Lee
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Sorry its not all OBAMA’S fault…where are the republicans in all of these…and please dont mention those 200 mythical job bills that are sitting on harry reids desk

sebyandrew
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I hope your guitar playing is better than your logic.

Earl Lee
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How exactly is the logic FLAWED?

Debbie
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It may be insightful for some but these numbers don’t mean as much to people as it does to know how hard it is for their kids out of college to find the jobs they thought a college education would help obtain and for those that have lost a good job that provided insurance for a family who are now working 2 or 3 part time jobs just to make ends meet and forget the health care, because it is not affordable for those that only have part time jobs. Numbers are good but life experience is the true teacher… Read more »
Press Watchusa
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I hope the “students” who voted for this jerk are happy!

Still living in the basement!

Geoff
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92+ million people out of work of the 248+million available to work is actually an unemployment rate of roughly 37% not 12%. Much much worse. The Obama administration is a buch of criminals in how they perpetuate their lies on the American people.

Paul Sheridan
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It’s not some new trick that the Obama administration came up with. The BLS has been calculating things the same way for decades now. I remember hearing about it in the 90s.

THEyardpilot
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If you “remember” it, surely you have a cite. My question would be how many of those not seeking employment are retired.

Paul Sheridan
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Bluemoon
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I been searching work for 3 years and still searching. I get by on mowing friends’ yard, and whatever odd job I can find. I had to sell my furnitures and things to make ends meet. I go to a food banks to get food once a week. In a few months I have to sell my house. No idea where I’m going to live. I believe Mr. West got that right, 6.1 percents can’t be true.

Billie Dale
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Mr. West, I think it’s much higher than the 12%. I strongly believe it’s more like an average 14% -16% unemployment nationwide.
That’s taking in those who have simply given up looking for work and those whose unemployment status is currently (and perpetually) being re-labeled and moved to the ‘back room’ of national job data to enable the production and publication of government-approved employment data designed to deceive the American people.
Political?
You betcha!

Press Watchusa
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Try 25+%

The gubmint numbers are calculated using the “common core” method

Antonio Betancourt
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What are the real unemployment numbers for young black men not in school? anyone know this number?

Andy Martin
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New study finds 92 percent of African American male teens are unemployed Posted: Jan 17, 2014 8:54 PM CSTUpdated: Jan 24, 2014 8:54 PM CST http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/24486694/new-study-finds-92-percent-of-african-american-male-teens-are-unemployed Startling new figures about the state of our economy have recently come out. Ninety-two percent of African American male teenagers in Chicago don’t have a job. A trend that continues to head in the wrong direction, for white and Hispanic teens, too. The jobs catastrophe here is far worse than the national average. These shocking numbers released by the Chicago Urban League are one more grim result of Illinois having 600,000 fewer jobs today… Read more »
TruConserv
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The poll was for Chicago, conducted by a radical right organization and it measured “don’t have a job” among teens. It was not a measure of national U3 for black teens aged 16-19.

I’d love to see the polling instrument and read the Methods disclosure document, but the Urban League doesn’t follow normal polling protocol by releasing those things.

Andy Martin
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Hey dumb azz. I live in Chicago. If you think the Chicago Urban League is radical right then you need to dismiss yourself from this discussion. Now unless you have a poll from another major city with different results, sit down, shut up, and put your face back in Obama;s lap.

TruConserv
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Silly boy – you claimed the national unemployment rate for black teens and tried to back it up using a poll about Chicago.

Do you really not understand why that doesn’t work?

Andy Martin
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Still waiting for your poll numbers. Suck on this for a while…………. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/378087/black-americans-are-worse-under-obama-deroy-murdock According to a Fox News survey released on Wednesday, Obama’s approval rating stands at 45 percent among all registered voters. However, among black voters, Obama’s job approval soars to 86 percent. Given Obama’s devastating impact on black Americans, this is even more confounding than the whereabouts of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Obama’s election, no doubt, generated considerable ethnic pride. Seeing a black man (or, precisely, a half-black man) inaugurated was a truly exceptional milestone for all Americans — black and otherwise. But Obama reached the Oval Office… Read more »
TruConserv
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Your own post undoes your argument. You previously claimed that black teens had an unemployment rate of more than 80-percent. The article you link to states “But for blacks aged 16 to 19, unemployment grew from 35.3 to 36.8 percent.” That’s the U3 rate for blacks aged 16 to 19, as I told you to go find in a previous post. I have no problem with the claim that blacks are worse off under Obama. None. Your problem is that you didn’t bother to understand what I wrote. I pointed out why it was folly for you to apply a… Read more »
Andy Martin
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[[ You previously claimed that black teens had an unemployment rate of more than 80-percent.]] 92% in Chicago. [[ The article you link to states “But for blacks aged 16 to 19, unemployment grew from 35.3 to 36.8 percent.”]] Nationally yes. [[ That’s the U3 rate for blacks aged 16 to 19………..]] U this and U that. Like I said, figures lie and liars figure. Keep proving me right. [[ I have no problem with the claim that blacks are worse off under Obama. None.]] Good. Then shaddap. [[ Your problem is that you didn’t bother to understand what I… Read more »
TruConserv
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U this and U that — to funny. Look, that’s how intelligent people discuss the economy. My apologies for taking you outside your comfort zone.

Andy Martin
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No need to apologize Obamite. You and your other infected Obama apologists sit in the cheap seats and puke up anything that diverts from what is going on in the real world. Bring your punk azz up here to Chicago and I’ll take you on the west side. Here you can tell them about your U this and that and how they really aren’t hurting. Stupid pustule.

TruConserv
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I’m not even remotely an apologist. I agreed with you that blacks are worse off under Obama. My issue is that when the radical right lies about Obama, needlessly, and uses terms inexpertly, it harms the Conservative Movement. We all make mistakes and we all need to learn – I’m the biggest living example of that. However, we don’t need to use hyperbole or manufactured data to go after Obama, especially when it hurts our credibility with the mainstream voter. The reason Congress switches between parties, as does the White House, is because the middle, really, truly, is exactly that… Read more »
Andy Martin
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[[ My issue is that when the radical right lies about Obama, ]]

You called the Chicago Urban League the ‘radical right’.

[[ The reason Congress switches between parties, as does the White House, is because the middle, really, truly, is exactly that – the middle. ]]

Yet the pendulum swings left to right ever so slowly thereby thwarting your argument.

[[ Don’t use hyperbole, lunacy or racialism and we’ll get along just fine. ]]

Take your own advice and stuff your straw man.

TruConserv
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The Urban League is you kind of league, you’re in the radical right, it’s in the radical right. Seriously, no one takes the Urban League seriously for anything other than financial support.

That pendulum swings faster than you think, but you’d have to understand trending data. I get the feeling you don’t.

I haven’t offered any strawmen, I made comments, supported by fact, on the claims you have made. If you don’t like my dismantling your claims, then don’t make claims to easily dismantled.

Andy Martin
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Stay dumb libtard. You know as much about Chicago as you do about politics. ZERO-Bama

Data is for morons who have no real knowledge. Any hump can spit up data.

All you have are straw men and rank dimwittery. You’re the forum’s chew toy kid.

TruConserv
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LOL – I don’t know which of your comments is sillier. That you think data is for morons or that you don’t know what a straw man is.

Let me guess, someone once accused you of using a straw man, and it stung, so now you throw it about all the time, never having bothered to know what it means.

You’re online, dictionaries abound …

Andy Martin
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Give it a rest tool. You’re out of your league.

TruConserv
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Data is for morons HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I’m still laughing about that one.

Andy Martin
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[[ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ]]

The village idiot does like to laugh a lot.

Joseph Dennery
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must be using the new Common Core standards of mathematics to conjure up these numbers…! This is just like the rest of his policy – 1-) hide it in plain sight; 2-) use any possible angle to make social issues out to be racist issues; 3-) continue to buy time until the SHTF event, (like attacking the US electrical grid?); “dumb-down” our children with this Common Core nonsense; 5-) spend spend spend – until there isn’t anything left to spend, and collapse the economy, lose the ‘dollar’ as world standard of currency and rendering the paper dollar worthless —-> WELCOME… Read more »
Charles Benci
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Obama did not Cut The Debt in 1/2, They borrowed Less, Thay still up 700 Billion, HELLO. That means they spent more than they took in again

Andy Martin
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The debt has increased by $9,000,000,000,000 under Obama

pearl87
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The “deficit” is just another imaginary number, because there hasn’t been a budget in 5 years. The “deficit” is the amount that is spent “over budget”. The way the govt has been operating since this fraud took over, there is no budget, just CRs. Therefore, when they spend what they spend and call the total “the budget” they no longer have a deficit. Isn’t that neat? The fact that there is ANY deficit is the remarkable thing. This loser is managing to spend more than even the CRs allow. Which is just to say, that he has no respect for… Read more »
Paul Sheridan
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What Allen won’t tell you is that that’s the way unemployment has always been calculated. When it was 9.7% under Reagan in 1982? It was actually even worse than that. When it was 4.6% under GWB in 2006? Not as good as it looked. This isn’t some new plot that the Democrats/media/Muslims/boogy-man have come up with to trick you.
If you ever have several hours and want to bore yourself to tears, ask an economist why the real unemployment rate is so difficult to calculate accurately.

pearl87
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No, you are incorrect. These metrics have been changed under Obama. The U6 is the number used in the past to measure unemployment and is a much higher number than the one this admin uses to define unemployment. U3 is the “participating labor force” number, and has been preferred by this admin, for obvious reasons. The fact that it is a blatant lie with reference to actual unemployment only makes it a more attractive option to the Obama brigade.

James
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Pearl, you are incorrect: the labor participation rate and the unemployment rate are different figures and have not been changed by the Obama administration: both figures are calculated now, as in the past, and use the same criteria. These figures are calculated by civil service professionals.

Andy Martin
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[[ These figures are calculated by civil service professionals.]]

LOL! That can be the garbage man at DoD! Dope.

James
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Funny that you rely on these same statistics when it suits your purpose, but dismiss them when they don’t serve your purpose. Disingenuous.

Andy Martin
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Says the dick who uses wonky stats to deflect from Obama screwing our economy.

Andy Martin
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Like I told another Obamite, figures lie and liars figure.

Paul Sheridan
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Can you document this?
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
Can you identify when on this graph they changed the metric?

JANUS
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We shouldn’t just focus on unemployment, we should look at under employment too. Actual unemployment is near 25% and under employed people is rounding near 50%. The college or high school student graduating who’s never had a job is never counted as unemployed although that’s a very likely scenario. Just like the high school graduate that works 20 hours a week at McDonalds and can’t find more hours or a second job is also is never listed. We’ve been lied to for decades and that’s the facts.

James
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Again, Mr. West, you misunderstand, or intentionally misstate, the data: the labor participation rate does NOT reflect unemployment, rather it reflects people who are not working for reasons other than unemployment: they are retired, financially independent, stay at home parents, in college, etc. Those who are working or are unemployed and looking for work are included in the labor participation rate. Those not in the labor participation rate are not unemployed. Further, if you look at a graph of the labor participation rate by year, you will notice that the rate increased starting from the 60’s, peaking in 2000, when… Read more »
Andy Martin
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[[ Nonetheless, the peak rate was 64.6%, whereas it is now 58.7% – a 10% reduction – ]]

Because people have stopped looking for work.

James
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If someone stopped looking for work- they are not unemployed – they are retired – or lazy. Hard to have sympathy for someone who isn’t trying to better themselves.

Andy Martin
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Wrong moron! If you stop looking for work you may well be unemployed and out of options. You have applied to everything you can do and see the same jobs posted over and over again.

James
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I know many people who are hiring and people who find jobs. If you are out of options, perhaps expand your options. Jobs are not the government’s obligation, but that of employers and employees.

Andy Martin
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Who said *I* was not working? I know many people who are not working. You’re turn.

Andy Martin
Guest

Tell it to the govt. and those looking for work. After all, Obama and every other POTUS promises more jobs.

James
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Yes, every president promises jobs, because that’s what we want to hear.

James
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It’s not my job to educate everyone about the jobs out there. If you want a job, get off your rear and quit complaining on the internet about lack of jobs and look for a job.

Andy Martin
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If you want 29 hour a week jobs at minimum, they are out there. Thank you Obama.

Andy Martin
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Another libtard dick who thinks people are better off now than 7 years ago.

People are either flipping burgers or working elsewhere for 29 hours a week thanks to Obama. Quit kissing Obama’s arse and admit the obvious. The POS POTUS has made the economy worse. Slobs like you think that making minimum wage is acceptable when you have a couple of kids. And you’re especially impaired if you think the Obama economy resembles the Reagan economy.

James
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The factors at play in any economy are vast and far outside the control of the government, much less any one president. The collapse started under Bush (and I am not blaming him for that) and would likely take years for recovery. In case you did not notice, corporate profits are at an all time high. The job loss is due, in large measure, to exporting jobs overseas. That is not the fault of any president, but of a shift in our economy. I am merely comparing the labor participation rates from now to the 80’s. Sorry if the facts… Read more »
Andy Martin
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Show me where any of your pre-puked diatribe destroys anything I have said.

Corporate profits do not mean more jobs. Cutting expenditures means more corporate profits.

Job loss is due to many factors Obamite. Technology, an ignorant work force that will not get educated, to name a couple. Jobs were supposedly going overseas under Reagan yet millions of jobs were created. Reconcile that with your inane utterance.

There will be less labor participation when you automate or you have lazy sluggards milking the ample Obama govt teat. Now stick that lap dog.

James
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I never said corporate profits equal jobs: businesses, exist not to create jobs (they are not welfare programs), but to create profits for their owners or stockholders. Job creation is merely a cost of doing business – one that businesses strive to reduce. Businesses strive to cut expenses wherever they can. As labor expenses are a major expense, they will do what they can to cut those labor costs, which includes exporting jobs overseas, whenever possible. Technology is a great cost saver for businesses, so it they can replace more expensive labor with cheaper technology, they will do so. If… Read more »
Andy Martin
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[[ I wholeheartedly support these corporations doing what they can to reduce costs. Unfortunately, that comes at a cost of American jobs.]] Then those people need to retool in order to become employed again. [[ If the work force is ignorant, why is that suddenly Obama’s fault? Is he responsible for everything that goes on? He is not a supreme ruler.]] Yet you blamed GW for the ’07 crash.crash. Typical libocrite. [[ We, as a society, need to address that issue. No president can solve that alone.]] It has been addressed. There are plenty of programs that you can access… Read more »
James
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If those retraining programs are underutilized, that is the fault of those who won’t take advantage of them. Retraining is the responsibility of those who are looking for work. Or, are you going to make Obama responsible for all of our actions? I was not ignorant that there are job training programs out there. That was not part of the discussion. I never blamed Bush for the crash of 2008. Actually, much less people are on welfare now than before. More people are on food stamps, but that is because of the economic meltdown of 2008. Again, the standards did… Read more »
Andy Martin
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[[ If those retraining programs are underutilized, that is thefault of those who won’t take advantage of them. Retraining is the responsibility of those who are looking for work. ]] Yet you said society needs to figure out why jobs are being lost and how to fix it. [[ I never blamed Bush for the crash of 2008. ]] You’re a gutless liar. Read your own posts in the future. [[Actually, much less people are on welfare now than before. More people are on food stamps, but that is because of the economic meltdown of 2008.]] I thought you previously… Read more »
James
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Read my own posts in the future??? I remember my own comments from the past, when I defended Bush for the economic collapse.

There are jobs out there, just have to look -and look in areas you did not think of looking.

Yes, a president has to sign a law, but it must first be passed by congress.

James
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Mr. West, you seemingly are ignorant that the budget for any president’s first year i office is made by the previous president: so the $1.4T deficit in his first term was Bush’s budget. Further, if you look at federal expenditures, they rose very little under Obama: the deficit was the result of declining revenues. Basic accounting principles.

Andy Martin
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Hey demwit. How about years 2-6?

James
Guest

Simple: if you look at the federal expenditures and the federal revenues, you would notice that under Obama,federal spending rose at a rate slightly below the rate of inflation. Thus, there was not this huge increase in spending under Obama. Federal revenues declined starting in 2008 due to the financial meltdown. That, along with the Iraq Afghanistan wars (for which no means was devised to pay for them, beyond increasing the deficit) caused an increase in the debt.
Do you want to keep going? I have the facts on my side.

Andy Martin
Guest

Yet the debt has increased $7,000,000,000,000 on his watch. I have facts on my side.

James
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Yes, it did increase then: for the factors I mentioned above. Read and think about what I wrote before commenting. t takes more than facts, it takes understanding what they indicate. There is a difference between correlation and causation.

Andy Martin
Guest

I don’t need your spin. Crap like the ACA and cash for clunkers added to the debt big time. Read and think about that.

James
Guest

The cash for clunkers program added to deficit – just as any federal expenditure. It added only $3B to the deficit. The ACA has added nothing to the deficit – yet. Its costs are impossible to calculate thus far.

Andy Martin
Guest

I said debt. Not deficit. Pay attention.

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James
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Mr. West, perhaps I can explain it more clearly to you: 92 millions may not be people who are unemployed, but seeking work: some may be retired, some stay at home parents, in school, ill, financially secure, etc. Perhaps you should research topics before you write.

Andy Martin
Guest

So how many are “unemployed, but seeking work: some may be retired, some stay at home parents, in school, ill, financially secure, etc” genius? Perhaps you should research topics before you write.

James
Guest

Huh?? Perhaps you should learn to write more clearly.

Andy Martin
Guest

LOL dope! I was quoting YOU. Now do you have an answer or are you just flapping your gums? If you have no answer then say so.

James
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You quoted only part of me, adding some commentary that made it an unclear question.

Andy Martin
Guest

Your dodges are getting tiring.

Andy Martin
Guest

Then you have a problem understanding your own verbiage. Don’t attack the messenger.

James
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My words are clear. It is when you changed them around and added your comments to make them a question that your question became unclear.

sweetsuzee
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There was nothing unclear about what he was saying. However, your drivel is pure nonsense. And in reference to a statement made above, of course the rates are recalculated for proper comparisons. They are recalculated every single month. What you need to do I go to school to learn what the numbers actually mean because you apparently do not have a clue.

Andy Martin
Guest

I changed nothing you said. I copied and pasted your blather word for word.

James
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You took my words, then added your own to make it a question.

Andy Martin
Guest

I called you out with your own words and others agreed with me.

James
Guest

Others?

Andy Martin
Guest

Yeah. Others.

James
Guest

Your math is off by a lot: if 92,268,000 + 9,591,000 were actually unemployed, then the real unemployment rate would be 41% – not the 12% you claimed. How could you be off byoso much, Mr. West?

Nonetheless, under your premise, we would have to recalculate the unemployment rate for every president, every year, to make an accurate comparison.

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Patrick Thompson
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Douglas Keith
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Over 90 percent of the 92 million people who are not in the labor force are people who do not have a job because they do not want a job. These are retired people, full-time students who choose not to be employed, stay-at-home parents caring for young children, other adults staying at home to care for a disabled or elderly family member, or the disabled who cannot work. Yes, people who give up looking for a job are also counted in the not the the labor force category. They are less than 10 percent of the total not in the… Read more »