Further info for all you progressive socialists, so help me God

Given the hundreds of comments generated, progressive socialists appear to be all up in arms about the story we posted Saturday on the U.S. Air Force reversing itself on the phrase “So help me God” at the end of its enlistment/reenlistment oath. Just as a reminder, that is part of U.S. statute. And furthermore, here is the background on the Oath of Office for Members of the U.S. Congress, House of Representatives and Senate.

The Constitution (Article VI, clause 3) requires that Senators and Representatives take an oath of office to support the Constitution. The specific language of the oath has changed several times since it was first administered in 1789. It is set by statute (5 U.S.C. 3331), enacted by Congress. It now reads:

“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

As for the Presidential oath, Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution requires that before presidents can assume their duties, they must take the oath of office. The completion of this thirty-five-word oath ends one president’s term and begins the next. From the day George Washington placed his hand on the Bible it has been the ongoing tradition — that is the Judeo-Christian Bible. The Presidential oath reads:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

So you can save the personal attacks, as I well understand the U.S. Constitution and law — while some of apparently do not. And nowhere in this oath or these traditions do I see anyone being asked to support a state-sponsored religion.

Just as a reminder for the historically-challenged, America was established upon a Judeo-Christian faith heritage, not a manmade doctrine of religion, and we don’t have a head of state who is also a head of church.

I will not succumb to the “fundamental transformation” of America, you chuckleheads.

Molon Labe!

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nmpher29
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I love this guy.

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Same here…I love him too..

Brad
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Progressives? No, they are simply recycled new libretards with the same mental disorder

Adetoz
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Same here…I love him too.

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Ellie Hooks
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Praise God!! and thank you once again for standing on the side of the constitution….

Jade
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I love it.

Heartland Patriot
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Steadfast and loyal.

Chris Moore
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This guy is inspiring. I wish that all our leaders would stand up and tell it like it is.

Harry McMerkin
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This country is a better place because of you, Allen West! Please keep the fire burning.

cweat
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Allen West, you are a leader I would be proud to follow and typically I am not a follower. I pray for you and your family, particularly that you will continue to stand strong.

mcrognale
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“I will not succumb to the “fundamental transformation” of America, you knuckleheads.” There, fixed that for you Sir. Proud to have you as a brother in arms.

Glen Saunders
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None of us will succumb to the atheist way of doing business. I again challenge them to show me in the US Constitution where it says anything about the separation of church and state. The Constitution guarantee’s freedom from religious persecution not freedom from religion as the morons of today are attempting to push. It’s really sad they spend so much money fighting something that they believe doesn’t exist. God Bless their little moronic hearts……

Bren Pool Vignaroli
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AMEN TO THAT ONE GLEN….

Pat Nash
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Preach!!

ombuendia01
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While I may be ex-military & took my Oath some 30 years ago, i remains true to this Oath this date as it did the day it was administered. Defend the constitution from enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC, so help me GOD.

Kathleen Silva Summerhays
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Kathleen Silva Summerhays

We as Americans trust in the Constitution! Unless you are just Stupid ! I see that there is a lot of Stupid going around these days. So sad.

Sandra Goetz
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many of them just hate GOD. (watch “God’s Not Dead”)

counterofbeans
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They don’t hate God, they just don’t believe in God. To them there is no higher power than Obama and Karl Marx.

Paul Sheridan
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What in the hell is the “Judeo-Christian Bible?”
Also, the law that requires service members to express a belief in a god in order to keep their jobs is going to get thrown out. You know it and I know it. You can whine “Molon Labe” all you like but the first federal judge who gets that thing in front of him is going to toss it in about five minutes.

Harry Figgers
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Citizens of the free world know the value of the supreme power who guides and protects us, no matter how you name it. SO HELP ME GOD!!!

majorwiblit
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I think “so help me gawd” can stay in there,, either way it makes no-nevermind to me.. The Constitution guarantees “freedom of religion” as well as “freedom from religion” I just think of it as an example of; “In the Year of our Lawd,,” such and such Only the principle of church-state separation can protect America’s incredible degree of religious freedom. The individual rights and diversity we enjoy cannot be maintained if the government promotes Christianity or if our government takes on the trappings of a “faith-based” state. The United States, in short, was not founded to be an officially… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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I guess a couple of words is going to stop a progressive liberal from serving their country.

Elliot Grove
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I do not believe in a god.
so I would not ask for the help of a deity that as far as i can tell most likelydoesn’t exist.
should that bar me from public service as a member of the military or public official?

DK
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Once again Elliot Grove. It takes an understanding of the Constitution to realize how utterly ridiculous your comment is. The Constitution allows you to be Christian, atheist or what ever you want to be with no infringement on your rights to serve in office or the armed service. It you libs, that are trying to infringe on everyone else Constitutional right to practice religion as set forth in the Constitution. you arguments are invalid and ridiculous. Educate yourself.

Elliot Grove
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Did you totally skip article 6 of the constitution? The whole argument here is that if I don’t affirm a deity, I can’t be in the air force. That’s the whole original problem.

DK
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I did not skip anything. Have you read the Constitution or its Amendments yet? if not don’t bother replying

Elliot Grove
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See my above comment. Yes. Yes I have.

Brendan
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Wrong again on the Judeo Christian foundation.
You say you don’t need a lesson in the Constitution, yet clearly you do.
The pathetic thing, Mr West, is that you view anyone who disagrees with you on this point as a “progressive socialist”

I prefer to see defense of the Constitution and the intent of the Founders as more of a Constitutionalist issue, not a progressive socialist one.

Pride Armstrong
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If I am correct are founding fathers gave is freedom of religion not from religion. I don’t see how seeing a cross or the word god is an infringement on ones life liberty or pursuit of happiness.

Brendan
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I’ve seen that talking point before. Actually, the phrase “freedom of religion” does not exist in the Constitution… and I’m pretty sure it’s not in any of our Founders’ individual writings. What is, however, there is the Founders on many instances saying that no man should be compelled to worship against his conscience. The text of the First Amendment, written by James Madison reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” He later expanded on its meaning… “Congressshould not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of itby law, nor… Read more »
Elliot Grove
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It isn’t. But being required by the government to endorse and ask for the help of a specific deity you do not believe in as a prerequisite for a government office or public trust is not constitutionally allowed.

it doesn’t mean I can ever ban Fred and Dave from praying. But Bill can’t be denied mayorship because he won’t pray to Jesus.

patrickt777
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Get out of here you stupid atheist..”The fool has decided in his heart there is no God”..The wisest men ever lived have acknowledged the God of the Bible as “The Deity” & who are you? You probably didn’t even finish high school.

Brendan
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The issue is the Constitution and protecting individual rights.
You have every right to practice your religion as you see fit.
The government can not tell you how or who to worship. They also can not force a person to accept a religious belief.

The issue here isn’t about your religious belief, but about being forced to have a religious belief.

While you might not want to live in a country where people didn’t believe in God… would you want to live in a country that forced people to believe in God?

Elliot Grove
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I finished high school, and have 2 college degrees. I’m not trying to take away anyones right to pray or believe as they choose. I am here defending the notion that I am free to do the same and a persons religious belief or nonbelief should not affect their ability to hold office or serve the country.

WhatsammatteU
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I think Obama kinda answers that question doesn’t he?Your god is yourself,so why is taking an oath to yourself such a problem?It says so help me god,it doesn’t say which god.

patrickt777
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Oh I’m sorry..2 college degrees..Unfortunately the last 50 yes colleges have been run by liberal progressive socialist xommis…The political theology of atheism…u prob didn’t know that Yale Harvard Princeton ect started out as Bible colleges…see what happens when you atheists force your religion in..you ruin the best of things…so even degrees & education doesn’t mean much anymore..just a big fat debt on society while it lines the pockets of liberal atheists who run the colleges..

Elliot Grove
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You disparaged me for supposedly not finishing high school, making a lack of education seem like a bad thing.
Now you’re hurling polemics because I have 2 college degrees, making eductation seem like a bad thing.
I”m seeing a conflict here……

I’ll make this easy. one question, and then I will go: Do you think an atheist, buddhist, or muslim should be allowed to be mayor of your town or a soldier in the army?

WhatsammatteU
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There are many muslims buddist and athiest in our military,you may join,please do.

patrickt777
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out of 89 million born-again evangelical voters, only 30.5 million voted in last election & a lot were black & voted for obama, but if we can get just a 2 or 3 million more to vote, we could tip the scales against these liberal progressive democraps..imagine if we got 5, 10, 20 or 30 million more to vote..we could take over completely all the way down to local officials, we could add Constitutional Ammendments banning all this crap of kicking The God of the Bible out of any public mention or display and all the rest of garbage they… Read more »
WhatsammatteU
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Freedom of religion not freedom from religion.You are welcome to believe whatever you want.But that doesn’t take away our historical belief and trust in GOD,even in govt.

Elliot Grove
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So you want to defend the constitution by violating the very spirit of the first amendment and having biblical displays put up by the government?

interesting….

patrickt777
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Atheist=fool..The wisest men ever lived acknowledged the God of the Bible & those who tried to disprove it have became faithful followers & who are you..flunky..?? Get out off this thread fool, you’ll be chewed up & spit out by real folk that don’t put up with your anti-God crap! Hide behind your computer you coward but you will always appear as a fool to the wise.

WhatsammatteU
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In their wisdom they became fools.

Elliot Grove
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Thank you for the name calling and bitterness. I’m here to try to defend the constitution against sectarian encroachment, what I would think is a valid and good cause.

elle
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You fail to defend it because you basically do not understand where it came from.

WhatsammatteU
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Then defend what it says correctly,please.

Elliot Grove
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I do the best I can. if I am in error, feel free to correct me on points. But so far patrickt777 has not even come close to that.

patrickt777
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Name calling..oh great a big fat sissy on top of everything else! You are the sectarian! Your foolish atheism is the religion that wishes to force Christianity out of America! You don’t believe, that’s fine..1 1/2% of the population isn’t gonna dictate to 80+% that we can’t pray, display or speak about The God of the Bible in public..If you don’t believe, then when we do speak ect, in your own Lil foolish pervert ridiculous mind just giggle that we are speaking about a God that you don’t believe in! Maybe you can bring your toy monkey and squeeze it… Read more »
elle
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That is correct. The US is 77+% Christian. That is what we are and based on the adult population. Atheists can do as they please, but they most certainly will NOT tell the rest of the US to put our faith to the side for them LOL!

majorwiblit
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do you wonder why people point and laugh at you??

majorwiblit
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“When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion.”
~Robert M.Pirsig

WhatsammatteU
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Christianity is a faith,not a religion.

majorwiblit
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Christianity is not a religion; it’s an industry.

WhatsammatteU
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Sadly in many cases brought on by greedy people it is,but those who wish to profit off of GOD will eventually pay the price for their greed.The Bible warned us about them and told us not to listen to them for they bring shame and discontent to GODs words.

majorwiblit
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Organized Christianity has probably done more to retard the ideals that were its founders’ than any other agency in the world. ~Richard Le Gallienne

WhatsammatteU
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I totally agree,I have often said that the biggest deterant to Cristianity is Christians,those that talk the talk but don’t walk the walk don’t know or care that we are in a bubble for all the world to see, we are not perfect by any means,we are after all human,but we can do much better.

Elliot Grove
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…..i think every definition of religion would disagree with you…..

“Christianity is an Abrahamic religion that began as a Jewish sect in the mid-1st century.”

WhatsammatteU
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I am very well aware of the roots of my faith,I have done countless yrs of study.Again,TRUE CHRISTIANITY IS A FAITH,a religion requires a strict set of must dos to accomplish your higher goals,in true Christianity all I must do is have FAITH in what has already been done for me.Too often times the world wants to judge Christianity on the Catholic standard,WRONG,Catholicism Is a religion, not true Christianity.

Elliot Grove
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Yeah…..im gonna go ahead and guess rational discussion with you is a lost cause. Just be aware that what you are doing here doesn’t help your cause at all. Just makes you seem unwilling to reasonably discuss the issue at hand.

patrickt777
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There is a reason you are called fools, libtards..you are irrational and the majority doesn’t want what your pushing..like I said, get off the thread..you are being shamed-tar feathered for the stupidity your trying to push…only stupid people believe your garbage..look at the voting block..liberals have the most uneducated elsectorate..why? Cuz only dumb people believe your empty dead religion of atheism.

Elliot Grove
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2 things:
1) liberalism and atheism are not connected. One can be a liberal, or conservative, and be a theist or atheist.
2) Of the two of us, I’m trying to have a rational discussion, but you keep throwing insults and avoiding the actual question. So I ask one more time: Should an atheist or muslim be allowed as mayor of your town, soldier in the Army, or president of the United States?

patrickt777
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most atheists are libtards…yes an atheist can serve in military, no muslims, they are too untrustworthy and by the way enlisted only .0025% are muslims and officer .00545%, they shouldnt be allowed to be mayor but unfortunately we have a marxist muslim in the WH because of foolish democraps that voted him in. muslims are diametrically opposed to American values and beliefs and use our freedoms and opportunities to dismantle our system and force sharia law… I know you are a libtard because the words of your mouth reveal what is in your filthy corrupt heart…atheism is the enemy of… Read more »
Elliot Grove
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“they shouldnt be allowed to be mayor”
Game over. You lose.
You officially want people barred from office because of religion.
You hate the constitution. Go read article 6 of the constitution, then realize how un-american you are.

“real free-thinker instead of following their foolish religion of atheism” …..you know how I know you don’t actually know anything about this subject? That sentence right there.

elle
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“they shouldn’t be allowed to be mayor” – well sorry to say they really can’t be trusted to be mayor here in the US now can they? The sad fact is that islam and muslims don’t really have any true alliance to the United States. By the very fact that they are muslims, if that is what they truly are, makes it impossible for them to believe in a DEMOCRACY. Figure it our Elliot Grove, islam is the exact opposite of a democracy. How on earth could they be a part of it honestly? YOU LOSE for your total lack… Read more »
WhatsammatteU
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If they can get the legal votes to do it,yes.As long as they are a natural citizen and they can get the votes.

Carl Peal
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IMO, an atheist can be elected, but NOT pursue an agenda against the beliefs of others. Religion is protected by the first amendment. On the other hand I personally do not think a Muslim can be trusted. Under taqiyya, they are allowed to lie and Sharia law sanctions it. Also, the Qu’ran commands the death of all infidels who will not convert to Islam (which means submission, not peace). Next, Sharia law is not compatible with the US Constitution. Last, if a Muslim is a naturalized citizen, he or she has sworn an oath forsaking all ties to their former… Read more »
elle
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Yes, agree. Islam is this weird, one of of kind, twisted combination of religion + politics + law + dogma + ideology + jacked up beyond repair way of life THAT JUST AIN’T RIGHT. It does not fit within the US or western modern civilization. Beneath every “moderate muslim” is a muslim. There is no difference. They either follow the Quran or not. Do not be mislead.

Elliot Grove
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Sharia is law:
I wonder if they covered that in the Jewish book, the Torah: which translates to :The Law.
You do realize that a ton of christianity was dictates and law, but moderation slowly eroded them. I don’t see islam as any different. It’s christianity 500 years ago.

Oh, and all people CAN lie, which is the original problem. Atheists are being asked to lie and ask god for help in their oath, which goes against their conscience. I would rather a conscientious atheist than a lying believer.

elle
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If you don’t see any difference in Islam vs Christianity and say islam was Christianity 500 years ago, then trust me friend, you have a lot to learn about islam, like a whole lot. And btw I must say, true Christians know this: the word of God has never eroded, it has never changed, it never will.

WhatsammatteU
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GODs law was given to prove that man could not measure up to GODs perfect way,therefore needing a perfect man(JESUS CHRIST)to buy our salvation and pay the price for our sins.You should get a better knowledge of what true christianity is.The New Testament explains this.Gods laws have not or ever will erode.

Elliot Grove
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“Gods laws have not or ever will erode.”
Then why don’t we keep slaves anymore? God clearly called for it, in the exact same book he gave us the ten commandments in.
I’m sorry, but i don’t believe the jesus story. There are too many holes and mistakes and problems with it.

WhatsammatteU
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Yea I know,I just sold my last one.How Ignorant a remark you made,It was the Christians that lead for abolition of slavery in this country.GOD did not call for slavery,he allowed for it with strict rules by which governed their care,under GODs rules a slave was to be treated about like a live in worker would be today.I will give up on you now,because you are clearly antagonistic towards christianity.If you come at the faith looking only to prove it wrong you will surely miss the flow of GODs word.You read the Bible like obama read the constitution,not out of… Read more »
elle
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No Elliot Grove, God did not clearly call for slavery as you say. What you have to do is understand the context of the scriptures. Slavery during ancient times as written to in the bible was a voluntary slavery. Perhaps what you think of slavery is based on is modern day slavery and try to apply that thinking to ancient times. It does not work. The old Testament never said God supports slavery. There anyone caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed (Exodus 21:16). Voluntary slavery was practiced quite often during biblical times as a means of… Read more »
Carl Peal
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Islam is Christianity 500 years ago? You are a fool. The Bible doesn’t command the death of all infidels as the Qu’ran does. You can’t compare the two. If you support Islam, you are a fool. As far as moderation is concerned, I don’t agree with the feel good churches today that state that God can’t act with anger and vengeance. That also is foolish. I am no fundamentalist, but I was raised in my faith “old school”. My comment about lying is that it is NOT sanctioned by our laws or the Bible. However Islam does sanction it to… Read more »
Elliot Grove
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Did you not read the bible? It commands the keeping of slaves, the destruction of anyone who tries to convince you to not be a christian anymore. It’s in the old testament, and hundreds of years ago was used as justification for things like the inquisition.
I’m not interested in just “provocation”, i’m interested in the truth. And the truth is, in times gone by, christianity was guilty of many of the crimes that Islam is guilty of today. They just didn’t have the tools to do it on such grand a scale.

elle
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Elliot, dear man, you are very lacking in understanding. The Bible does not command the keeping of slaves. Nor does it command destruction of anyone who is not a Christian. The one and only true God, our Father, gives us free will to do as we will. It is called choice. Quite different from the false prophet mohammed/islam.You are confusing Catholicism with Christianity in your statement about the inquisition. Again, if you want to know the truth historically you would need to gain a full understanding of the broad spectrum of Christianity. Religion is man made. Religion and faith are… Read more »
Carl Peal
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Do YOU not read the Bible? Jesus made a new covenant with man. NEW Testament. BTW “truth” is what you wish it to be. I deal with facts. You can keep your “truth”.

DK
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Elliot Groves if you understood the First Amendment you would realize how stupid your statement is.

Elliot Grove
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Then explain how governments putting up biblically derived art like the ten commandments outside courthouses is not a violation of the first amendment.

bobcatkj
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With all due respect just don’t look at it! Don’t listen! If I hear racism from someone like Sharpton I turn the channel, if I see I sign or document in Spanish, I ignore it even though it infuriates me that we are wasting taxpayer dollars or spending more for a product to have the document in many languages. I ignore stuff that bothers me because I respect the fact that others may need it. I am not a selfish person who would change a law or document or an oath because it bothers me. Most Christians I know pray… Read more »
elle
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Exactly – ignore it. With ya bobcatkj. Our Lord Jesus the Christ is all that matters. We shall turn away from that which is not of God and help those who are not of God. Yes we are in this place now and forever: They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. John 17:16

Carl Peal
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Grove, if you truly understood the Constitution you would know that the first amendment protects religious freedom. It does NOT bar religion from government. It DOES bar the government from designating any specific faith (e.g. Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Hebrew) to be the OFFICIAL faith of the nation, as the Anglican Church was/is in England. The phrase “separation of church and state” is NOT in the Constitution, and even if it were doesn’t mean separation of church FROM state.

Elliot Grove
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The phrase “separation of church and state” is NOT in the Constitution, and even if it were doesn’t mean separation of church FROM state.
So you would be ok with muslim churches petitioning for Sharia in America, because government can’t make an official faith, but religious freedom is fine?

WhatsammatteU
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You are correct,separation of church and state is not in the constitution but was later written in a letter by I believe Thomas Jefferson in response to a question he was asked by a concerned church member. Churches can petition for whatever they want as long as it does not go against constitutional law,doesn’t mean they will get what they want.I by no means want anything to do with sharia law,and as long as I have a voice and can vote I will do my best,even if it comes to taking up arms to keep it out of our judicial… Read more »
Elliot Grove
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Sounds like you and I are in agreement on most of this. Unfortunately, if you up to what patrickt777 has been posting in the last few minutes…..you may be surprised….

WhatsammatteU
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I do realize that too many Christians fall into the worlds way of dealing with world views but I must admit that after years of trying to enlighten those that have a deep seated dislike for your views it does become frustrating,and make no mistake,Christianity is under attack and has been since the 60s and we have for to long turned the other cheek.

Carl Peal
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Grove, you must not have read my OTHER post to you or you would not ask that question, UNLESS you are just trying to provoke. Pull your head out.

DK
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Please read the constitution and the amendment first and then I will explain them to you. You obviously have not read or studied them.

Elliot Grove
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You mean like the basis for cases like McCreary Vs. ACLU of Kentucky, where they agree with me, or Lemon vs. Kurtzman, which established the lemon test? Or the actual first amendment establishment clause in Alleghenry County.vs Greater Pittsburgh ACLU, where a sectarian display was struck down?

the only case to win is in Texas, and that same case has lost in Kentucky.

DK
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Have you read the Constitution or its Amendments yet. If not don’t bother replying

Elliot Grove
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The degrees in economics and philosophy with an intent on law school kinda made me, yeah.

elle
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Some individuals are educated beyond their intelligence. You have degrees in economics and philosophy. You had an intent on law, a minor degree perhaps. Just saying. . . . . does not appear as though it helped you understand much, especially in the current.

DK
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Please tell me where do you find the term “separation of church and state in those documents?”

Elliot Grove
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Oh wonderful, this argument again. (the words “rifle’, AR-15, and grenade launcher aren’t in the constitution either, but we still set legal precedent and rule on those). it isn’t. But guess what, this was incorporated in 1947 in Everson V Board of Ed. and lets not forget the Jefferson letter to Danbury, CT in which he states “their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof’ thus building a wall of separation between chuch and state.” but lets get back to point 1. If I don’t believe in god and won’t ask… Read more »
WhatsammatteU
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NO!!

Elliot Grove
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In the original article, it does. They are going to deny re-enlistment unless the airman says “so help me god” at the end. he won’t because he doesn’t believe in god.

He is being denied service for his sincere non-belief.

WhatsammatteU
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If he does not believe in a god he therefore makes himself to be his own god,so why not swear to yourself.Nowhere does it say which god you must swear to,you are swearing to whatever it is you believe in reverently,and obviously,from every atheist I have ever known they think of themselves most highly.Again,Nowhere does it state in the oath(I know because I took it)that you must believe in the GOD of the Bible.

DK
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back to my original reply. it doesn’t

Elliot Grove
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Then you missed the previous article this was about an airman who was to be denied reenlistment because he wouldn’t say “so help me god” since he doesn’t believe in god.

This amounts to a religious test for a public trust (if you don’t ask for gods help, you can’t be an airman), which is a violation of article 6, paragraph 3 of the constitution.

JWH
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“Chuckleheads?” I met Allen West once. Can’t say I agreed much with his politics, but he seemed a good, respectful man. I’m disappointed to see him endorse this combativeness and disrespect for people who have no religious faith.

elle
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??? Not sure what you mean? His combativeness? He is not disrespectful at all. He is very respectful. What are you disappointed with, that he has responded to those that slammed him?

TruConserv
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The man admits that he keeps an enemies list and that you can get on it simply by disagreeing with him on political issues.

He calls anyone who disagrees with him a “progressive socialist.”

He thumps his chest and declares he knows his Constitution just a day after getting his hat handed to him when he erroneously – and hilariously – declared that everyone giving testimony at trial must swear to God. (He was wrong — alternative oaths and affirmations exist in every courthouse for non-believers.)

Yea, he’s combative — and stupid.

M Jones
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TruConserv, I disagree with your analysis of Col West….”He calls anyone who disagrees with him a “progressive socialist.” I think he might refer to someone as a progressive socialist who confront him as “combative and stupid”. Have a nice day.

TruConserv
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You need to read more of West’s posts. He’s a GWB-esque “for-me-or-against-me” fool who sees the World in black-and-white. See how many times he writes “reasonable minds may differ” or similar such language. Thousands of posts and I can’t find any language other than “I’m right and you’re wrong.”

Carl Peal
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Combativeness? Did you not read this? It is a response to combative remarks directed against him. Chuckleheads is much more polite a term than they deserve, IMO. Maybe you should address comments to those atheists who attack Christians in this country, or feign distress due to a Christian cross. They are the ones lacking in respect, and tolerance.

Elliot Grove
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Why is it when I get yelled at on the street as a heathen and going to burn for all eternity and am vile and a sinner, they get a free pass as “expressing their religion”, but when I say I don’t wanna have my son forced to pray in his class, that’s “destroying their religion and intolerant”?

M Jones
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Elliot, I would not call you a liar, but I doubt you have ever been confronted on the street in the manner you say nor has anyone forced your son to pray and suggested you are “destroying their religion and intolerant.”

Carl Peal
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I don’t yell at atheists. I pity them. If you turn your back, that is your choice. You have free will. But also know that your child is NOT compelled to pray in school, so your statement is invalid. But for those of your ilk to demand the removal of a Christian cross from anything shows your intolerance of others. If you do not believe, how can that offend you? Why the histrionics? Atheists in general may be entitled to their views but they don’t have a right to dictate to us either.

TruConserv
Guest

You’re reading comprehension is off. He wrote that when he says he opposed compelled prayer he is yelled, not that compulsory prayer presently exists.

His point is extremely valid given that there are those who, but for the SCOTUS, would compel children to pray a Christian prayer every day.

Either you misread his statement, or you’ve engaged in false witness. Which is it?

patrickt777
Guest

They need to be yelled at to get things through their thick dumb skull

Carl Peal
Guest
With some I will agree but not all. I know a few personally that respect the right of others to worship. They also do not have a problem with Christian symbols in public places, or even if they were erected by a local government. What some of them that cause problems fail to realize is that local governments, and on up through the federal government, are supposed to represent the people. It is the majority that wins in an election. We are compelled to protect the rights of the minority, but that doesn’t mean giving them special rights. For them… Read more »
JWH
Guest

Could you please clarify the phrase “know that your child is NOT compelled to pray in school?”

Carl Peal
Guest

Are you so ignorant that you don’t know of the legacy of Madalyn O’Hare? She succeeded in banning prayer from public schools. Again, your child is NOT COMPELLED to pray in school…. unless you have him or her in a parochial school in which case, you have no right to complain.

JWH
Guest

I’m sorry, you’re not being clear. Are you saying that no child is compelled to pray in an American public school? And could you please clarify your definition of the words “compelled” and “pray?”

And please refrain from ad hominems.

Carl Peal
Guest

Look them up in the dictionary. There are a few available online. Ad hominems? Asking if someone is ignorant of a fact, a historical landmark? The question was valid. Please go try to provoke elsewhere.

JWH
Guest

Carl, please. I am going somewhere with this. I’d like to know YOUR definitions of “compelled” and “pray.” They relate to a couple public-school incidents from the last few years. I think it’d be worth seeing your opinion on them, but first I’m curious as to what you believe constitutes compelling a student to pray in school.

Elliot Grove
Guest

Not anymore he isn’t! Go civilized development of egalitarian ethics!
Atheists can’t really “dictate their beliefs”, as there isn’t a belief structure for atheism. It’s just a non-answer to one question “is there a god”? We answer things other than “yes”. That’s it. Beyond that isn’t atheism, it’s other belief structures.

WhatsammatteU
Guest

And how many times have you been YELLED at?And how many atheist holler about changing the traditions and ways of our country to fit their belief?As a christian I personally would explain to you in a loving tone what my beliefs are,and leave it up to you to decide.I wouldn’t yell,that gets no one anywhere.

Elliot Grove
Guest

Yelled at? In the past month, twice, including having someone in my face (inches away) the way you see right before a fistfight.
As for atheists changing the traditions to fit their beliefs, i think traditions should lose when they are wrong. Much like how we change the “tradition” of women being subservient to men.

WhatsammatteU
Guest
If what you say is true,then I apologize for the way my fellow Christians have acted,they definitely are winning no points for GOD by such actions. So we should get rid of all traditions that are wrong, should be done away with,right?So who gets to decide which ones are wrong,you or me?Get rid of Santa Clause,Easter Bunny(Which by the way is a symbol of paganism),4th of July,Columbus day,Christmas(also a take off from paganism),The tradition of watching the Super Bowl?Which ones?You cannot get rid of someone else’s traditions just because You don’t like it or think it wrong,once you start down… Read more »
elle
Guest
Ok Elliot Grove, first I have to wonder just where the heck you have been hanging out? Twice in the past month? Really? So you see there are some crazy people screaming inches away from your face and you what? Go in for more? I am close to throwing down the bs card on you. If you are close to getting in a fistfight I am seriously curious as to just what, who, and where you are. If you are so highly intelligent and uber educated as you have thus stated what gives? Are you not aware of the realities… Read more »
Carl Peal
Guest

I would like to know just what you were doing to get yelled at? Traditions should not lose, because they are not wrong except in your opinion. Furthermore, Christian women still are subservient to men but only in that they acknowledge that the man is the head of the household. Otherwise Christian men are to treat their wives as equals. Ever hear the term equally yoked? No you might not understand the concept.

elle
Guest

I would add into that the revelation that the man be a righteous man in the ways of God. God forgive me but I will not be subservient to a man who is not with God and righteous in his own right. There is further understanding beyond the basic text.

Elliot Grove
Guest

I was in college. Walking to and from. That’s all. They came to the school to tell us all how we were destined for fire because we were in college instead of worshipping.

Isn’t christianity the same one wherein their ten commandments places women in with cattle for things not to be lusted after?
I wish i could link you to the youtube videos of pastors telling women to learn their place and not talk around men.

elle
Guest
No, I am sorry but must respond to you with this. Women are not the same as cattle, to be lusted after. YOU need to learn a lot. A LOT PLEASE. Who ever it was that put that idea into your head was completely lying to you. If you want to under scriptures and the Bible and scriptures then you will need to actually study then and spend the time required to LEARN for yourself. If you do not want to do this you WILL NEVER EVER learn anything except what someone else told you. Learn for yourself, seek the… Read more »
Carl Peal
Guest
YouTube? If that is your source of info, no wonder you are wrong. (My opinion). There are people who claim to be Christians that aren’t, and the same with Pastors. There are misguided people in this world. Don’t judge us all by those who are not acting as they should. And don’t condemn faith on that basis either. Your view seems to be very bigoted, narrow minded. If you are so enlightened, you should be willing to admit that there are things in this world that are beyond explanation. I find it impossible to accept that everything in this world… Read more »
elle
Guest

Well said. Better than I could. I agree. Those Christians that are over zealous are still seeking the true voice of our Lord. Those that are on the receiving end of that I can only hope that they will then question and learn. It is all that we can do. This all, this world could never have been just some accident of nature. There is a divine and it is us. Amen.

Elliot Grove
Guest

“There are people who claim to be Christians that aren’t,”
I love the “no true scotsman”. It’s a lot like when they call people RINO’s.

And no, if god is going to punish me and send me to hell for not believing in a savior that i have insufficient evidence to satisfy reasonable criteria, then that god isn’t worth worshipping.

elle
Guest
If you look for evidence you will find it. Even the most highest of all minds of the world cannot answer the question of “WHY?” we are here. The evidence is almost in the lack of answers. But in your case, you obviously know and yet have made the choice to deny even the historical record of the Christ. There are historical records of Jesus that you cannot deny. Once you are an adult of sound mind and able to discern for yourself, it becomes a choice. You made your choice to not believe. Therefore yes you will burn in… Read more »
Carl Peal
Guest
Ah, but you miss the point. If you are given the chance to be a Christian and refuse, that is by YOUR choice, and that is what may condemn you. Not God’s. You would condemn yourself by your choice. I do disagree with you…. God IS worth worshipping. My question is what criteria do you require to be satisfied? If you are waiting for the parting of the Red Sea, that’s been done. Saving Israelites from Pharaoh? Check out images of Pharaoh’s chariots under water there. If you choose to NOT look for God, you certainly won’t find Him. He… Read more »
Bren Pool Vignaroli
Guest

I can’t wait to put my support behind Allen West for President! Will be the most productive vote I have ever taken since the days of Ronald Reagan…GO WEST!!!

MLP0911
Guest
Thank you for clearing that up. “America was established upon a Judeo-Christian faith heritage, not a man made doctrine of religion, and we don’t have a head of state who is also a head of church.” I have been telling people that but they just don’t want to hear and believe it. Even in my former Government class in College!!! They were so ignorant. My professor was so liberal it killed me listening to his Democrat lies spilling from his lips and poisoning the minds of all the young people around me. He did not like me because I would… Read more »
TruConserv
Guest
Judeo-Christian is, actually, a man-made concept and not a religion at all, if you actually understand what the term means. (1) You can’t be Jewish and Christian at the same time, so there is no Judeo-Christian faith. Instead, Judeo-Christian refers to a collection of concepts common to both faiths that coalesced to form the core concepts of the American form of democracy. (See also, Wolff, Joseph (1829). Missionary Journal of the Rev. Joseph Wolff, Missionary to the Jews III. London: James Duncan. p. 314.) (2) As such, in our country, “Judeo-Christian values” is shorthand for a complex idea: the common… Read more »
elle
Guest

There are few things that bother me more so much than that of the liberal academia in the US, and the world at large I assume. Be it mostly in the US for the record. What is so horrible is that the young college mind is open to everything given the circumstances it finds itself in. That the university and college environment does not balance the input into these minds is bordering on criminal. Good for you with your “A!” Stand strong and never ever ever let some liberal tell you how it is!

Michael Fulghum
Guest

Good Job! Mr. West! I was born a Rebel and not prone to liberalism, and would have no problem excluding those that would change our heritage in any manner, especially those purporting to teach our children with their liberal ways, and you can take the word exclude in any manner as well. Thank You Sir (I think You would be a great leader for this country) God Bless America

Elliot Grove
Guest

Changing our heritage, like getting rid of slavery, or giving women the right to vote? How do you feel about that heritage we lost?

Tess
Guest
Since in fact Elliot, us Republicans fought to abolish slavery in this country and to get women the right to vote, I’d say we’re all pretty proud of that heritage. The Democrats fought to keep slavery and to keep women from voting. Their policies sure haven’t changed much. They still are in a war against women and they still advocate slavery you can see it in the policies they endorse. The sad thing is that so many wonderful, kind, and loving Democrats just don’t get that. They believe the biased nonsense that the liberal, paid for media falsely tells them.… Read more »
Brendan
Guest
Interesting. Anyone who studied history in school knew that 150 years ago, the Republicans were the party of Northern Abolitionists, while the Democrats sided with Southern slavers. the Republicans used to lean left and the Democrats leaned right. But while Republicans like to sound superior by pointing out the party platform 150 years ago and accuse the Democrats of revisionism… they are actually coming off as ignorant. Yes.. .150 years ago, republicans sided with left wing causes… but you are deliberately ignoring what happened 50 years ago when the Southern conservative Democrats (the Dixiecrats) abandoned the Democrats and changed the… Read more »
patrickt777
Guest

That all was all done by conservative republicans..ending slavery, civil rights, women voting and hopefully soon expelling all libtards

Elliot Grove
Guest

You do know that the bible was one of the main sources of the call to keep slavery, right?

M Jones
Guest

Elliot, you may be right. The democrats of the south were good at distortion. It looks like the DNA carried through to you. Do you still believe in lynching?

Jacqlyn
Guest

bs

elle
Guest

ditto. amen.

patrickt777
Guest

No it wasn’t you stupid idiot…it was the Democrats in the south…SO FRIGIN STUPID ATHEIST IDIOT! Don’t even try with your anti-God it crap..go get a job..living off the got lazy bast are and don’t teach your son your heathen practicea..I can’t afford to have to pay to educate another idiot like you

Brendan
Guest

The Democrats were conservatives 150 years ago while the Republicans were more liberal.
They switched policies since then.

Barbara Tucker
Guest

Elliot is a troll – leave him to talk to himself!!

elle
Guest

But Barbara Tucker we must all in our own little ways try to set someone upon the correct path of thinking. Albeit a troll, we must at least give answer yes?!! God is good and he speaks through us all in all ways. Be Blessed.

Elliot Grove
Guest

No. I’m a nonbeliever.

elle
Guest

Then good Elliot, you have yet to believe. You will not be the first. You are not special or unique. Learn.

Elliot Grove
Guest

I’m an accountant for a fortune 500 company.
I paid for my own education. I will be helping my son pay for his.
If you keep being disparaging and using personal insults, I’m going to have to start flagging your posts.

elle
Guest

And because you are touting that you are an accountant for a fortune 500 company we are all to bow down to you in admiration? What have you really done with your life besides count numbers for a fortune 500 company? What have you really done for your son besides helping him pay into debt? You invite personal insults with your ignorance and self righteousness.

Jacqlyn
Guest
Then you understand the freedom of choice. Me… being a Christian and You being a nonbeliever doesn’t make us enemies. That also is a choice. It’s also called free will. Being a Christian isn’t a religion. Its a relationship with God. Being a non-believer I get that you may not understand that. It doesn’t make you wrong and it doesn’t make me right. It’s a relationship and a lifestyle. I believe that anyone who slams anyone that is a non-believer is really no different from what they hate. I don’t cram my faith dwn anyones throat nor do I like… Read more »
elle
Guest

Sister Jacqlyn, my goodness me, you said it true. Our faith is personal. Many have been where Elliot Grove is. God gives that indescribable choice. We make our choices. My faith is so strong after a lifetime of no faith at all, so I understand him on a level that he will never understand me.

Earl Lee
Guest

I’m sorry but you right wing LOONS keep injecting GOD into the conversation but please show me where in the bible its says to HATE and be a bigot and spew LIES and vile? Get outta here with that!

elle
Guest
Earl, just getting back to this, meant to say something a few days ago, but work calls! So you say this: right wing LOONS keep injecting GOD into the conversation. . .” Earl this particular post is having a bit to do with God as the story is about the USAF returning the phrase “So help me God” at the end of their enlistment oath. NO ONE injected God into this conversation, it is what the conversation is about really. But then BOOM there you are right back into saying “we” are all spewing hate and lies and vile and… Read more »
elle
Guest

The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence. Psalm 1:15

The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers. Psalm 5:5

“As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” Romans 9:13

Earl Lee
Guest

Please post the scriptures where Jesus called for us to hate and discriminate. Please!

elle
Guest
Earl first you ask to show you from the Bible where hate is discussed, now you ask for Jesus and his words because the examples given to you are still not good enough for you. First you must understand that Jesus endorsed every word of God our Father. What confuses you about the scripture posted? You actually have to study Earl. Study the scriptures, understand the context. You can’t just go sit in a church pew, listen to the preacher preach, sing a few songs and call it a day. Then ask people up in here to explain things to… Read more »
Earl Lee
Guest

I don’t have to STUDY to know CHRIST wasn’t about HATE and BIGOTRY! Sorry but not in the bible I’ve read….Maybe in the BIBLE of SATAN it teaches to hate thy neighbor!

elle
Guest
No you don’t have to study to know Christ. You don’t even have to know how to read or write or speak or see or hear. It is a personal relationship. I never said the Bible was about hate and bigotry. Stop twisting and squirming about Earl. Basically you call everyone a bigot and a hater if they don’t agree with you. That’s the bottom line. You are wrong Earl. I know it. God knows it. Jesus knows it. You are wrong and have no right to call me ad others what you have. Shame upon you. You Earl are… Read more »
Earl Lee
Guest

Nooooo I don’t call them bigots and filled with hate because the don’t agree with me…. I call them bigots and filled with hate because they are bigoted and filled with hate!! You have blinders on or you are just too afraid to speak out against bigotry and hate…I’m not!!

elle
Guest

But you aren’t speaking out and saying anything. You are just calling names. There’s a difference. And yes Earl anyone that does not want to hate on Allen West you call bigots and haters. Screwed up perspective, screwed up person, can only accuse others, when you are the one with the problem. But hey Earl, God is forgiving. Find someway to make a difference instead of just whining on and on and saying the same old thing. You waste your time.

Ben Cunningham
Guest

“Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies” (Psalm 139:20-21).

Troubleshooter
Guest

You Left Wing Morons, who know NOTHING about the Bible, are almost ALWAYS unaware that we are admonished by The Word to HATE SIN. Furthermore, it has long been known that you silly twits like to characterize anyone who has morals and follows Christ as a Bigot. Here’s a word for YOU, and I suggest you try to find out what it means: SAVED.

Higher ground
Guest

I realize how important it is for you to label us as loons, that would relieve you from discovering the truth. No matter how much you want to, it is untrue to say we are hateful or bigots. One of the key components in Conservatism and Christianity is that we are all equal. Anything else is either lies trying to put us in a bad light, or just an erroneous perception. If you have any question I would be happy to answer.

Earl Lee
Guest

There is no CHRISTIANITY is bigotry and HATE! You LOONS just don’t get it. Nothing on this BLOG is of or from GOD! The articles and comments on this blog in more in line with SATAN!

Higher ground
Guest

You don’t make any sense. We could debate theology if you’d like, or Christian apologetic, or even Mr West comments, (I’ve been following him for a while) but I fear, by the evidence of your comments, that would be difficult… you are the irrational hateful bigot in this whole conversation.

Earl Lee
Guest

You really are a fool or just can’t accept that God isn’t about hate and bigotry!

Higher ground
Guest
God is Not about Hate or Bigotry. I don’t understand how you equate Mr. West’s comments to bigotry and hate. You must be privy to comments that the rest of us are not. Beside you go on a tirade saying, “you right wing LOONS keep injecting GOD into the conversation,” and “There is no CHRISTIANITY is bigotry and HATE!” The fact is that liberals (you) try to interject emotion into the debate because there really is no common sense in their argument. They (you) also try to hijack the debate by carrying on as if they have been somehow damaged… Read more »
Earl Lee
Guest

Can you read? Do u really want me to go back and post….nah…you have BLINDERS on

Higher ground
Guest

I don’t mean to be disrespectful…never mind. I’ll keep it simple. Conservatism good Liberalism bad. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.

Earl Lee
Guest

There you go….just that simple!!!

elle
Guest
Earl, hello friend and hope you are well, I please ask you to please understand what you think that you know, question yourself and your own understanding. This is hard to do, yes we all know. The bible does not say to “HATE and to be a bigot and to spew lies” and yet this comes from you. Evaluate your man made perception. It is that you HATE and you spew lies. You TOTALLY FAIL to see yourself, your own true self. You fail to see yourself, quietly and peacefully and with grace, you fall short. You fail to see… Read more »
Earl Lee
Guest

You have the nerve to mention the LORD JESUS CHRIST??? Have you read the vile coming from Allen (buy my tee shirts) west? Have you read the bigotry and hate coming from this man?? Have you read the hateful comments on this blog…wishing death on the president? How can you say this is FROM GOD? I don’t know what bible you read but it has to be the BOOK OF SATAN!!!

elle
Guest
I will at all times praise our Lord. Hi Earl, glad you got back to me 🙂 although I was a tiny bit disappointed in you with your response. I came at you with all sincerity and honesty, with love Earl, not hate. And yet you just stick with the hate. Let go of all that hate in you, it’s killing you. You cannot be of two minds Earl. You say Allen West is hateful while at the same time you are hateful. You do not honor our Lord in your writing. It is not very becoming, but truly belittles… Read more »
Earl Lee
Guest
We’ll first of all I asked how GOD can be entered into the convo when such hate is spewed never said what I believed. Also you never answered the question…all those that are trying to justify hate in your hearts and supporting hate and bigotry you are not of god…you are more in line with satan. You know satan is The Lord of hate and confusion and you display and support hate and confusion. You surround yourself with like minded people so you can feel good about your hate and bigotry! We all have to answer to god and I… Read more »
elle
Guest
You have asked this question before. And I answered it for you the best way I knew how. But here in this feed God is part of the conversation already as He is part of the original post regarding the USAF enlistment oath. If you never said what you believe, what are you waiting for? I wish you would. So again; your question is: “how God can enter into the conversation where hate is spewed (your word), and how “we all” can justify hate in “our” hearts and supporting hate and bigotry . . .you are not of God” –… Read more »
Earl Lee
Guest

The blog that you are posting on tells me what type of “PERSON” you are. Do you speak against the hate and bigotry? NOPE….you ride along with the crowd saying NOTHING! If you have said something against the hate and bigotry that is posted here DAILY…please correct me!

elle
Guest
Seriously Earl you do love your brick wall don’t you? You are posting on this blog as well as I, don’t be so self righteous. Just because I participate in a blog does not mean you know me. I also comment on design blogs, I have a knitting blog I love, and a blog about GSDs, and an architectural blog. I also have a few cooking blogs I love, and then follow one on music and vintage guitars. What does that say about me? You make false assumptions. I am not “riding along with a crowd.” I will at my… Read more »
Earl Lee
Guest

I repeat…please post where you have said ANYTHING about the bigotted and hate filled comments made on this blog. Please post where you said something when they call for the death of a president….please! You stand by and support such hatred….I consider you a bigot and filled with hate also!

elle
Guest
What don’t you understand about how I have the right to NOT comment on anything? I don’t have to prove anything to you. YOU show me a post where someone called for the death of obama – you show me and then I will show you that I ignored it. I do not call for his death. I don’t think he is a good president. In fact I think he is the worse president we have ever had and that is saying a lot. But I don’t want him dead. I am not responsible for what some bat crazy person… Read more »
Earl Lee
Guest

GOD is watching!! What do you say to him when he ask you why didn’t u stand up for love!? Why duo you support such hate filled speech? I don’t believe that u are anything close to being a CHRISTIAN! Christians are or about hate..bigotry…wishing death on people and their families!….if you are trying to be Christian you have a lot if work to do! How can you support the works of SATAN while calling yourself a Christian…get outta here with that and keep ignoring bigotry and hate!!

elle
Guest

But Earl don’t you understand? What you believe does not matter, at all. Hate oozes out of you. You need to do something about your own hate for everyone.

M Jones
Guest

Elle, this is a wonderful post to Earl Lee. I hope he accepts it as you mean it to be….with love. Thank you

elle
Guest

thank you M Jones – it did come from the heart and I meant every word. Be Blessed.

Earl Lee
Guest

You cannot serve 2 masters be of love or be of hate! How can you be of love while supporting hate??

elle
Guest

please tell me how I am supporting hate?

TruConserv
Guest

Literate conservatives are also against you, dimwit.

When the current conservative SCOTUS rules this oath unconstitutional, will you then finally admit that you have no clue what it means to be an American?

Troubleshooter
Guest

Yeah, SCOTUS? Progressive Liberal Activist Scumbags. None of you maggots who try to separate this Nation from it’s Birth Under God, EVER bother to read the personal papers and the minutes and notes from their meetings during the planning and development of our Government and The United States Constitution which MUST be adhered to by ALL, if they are to be legitimate Citizens of The Constitutional Republic Of The United States. There Is No Separation Of Church And State in the Language of the Greatest Instrument Of Civilization to ever emerge from the Bible.

David Michael
Guest

The only place that idea is mentioned is a letter from Thomas Jefferson where he writes of the need for a “wall of separation between church and state.” That is why they included the establishment clause in the First Amendment; “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Quite a difference from the popular belief that government permitting any reference to God to be a failure to separate.

TruConserv
Guest

And that, folks, is how the radical right is harming the Conservative movement.

Troubleshooter
Guest

In response to your Ignorance, I will say this, and it will suffice for me, and for anyone sane: I would forever choose to be RADICALLY RIGHT, than to be Radically WRONG. Enjoy the Castle In the Air that you inhabit, and the Bliss that is constructed from the same material.

TruConserv
Guest

You’re the gift that keeps on giving.

MotherBatherick
Guest

I pray that with God’s help, that we will be able to do the right thing and draft LTC West to run for President 2016. He would certainly do right by the people.

majorwiblit
Guest

you guys live in this bubble, along with west,,, and so you can’t even see
that it would never happen,, if he even made it to the primaries (which I doubt)
he would be laughed right off of the stage,,,
Merica’ does not need or want west,,, dang, people in his own district were tired
of his BS rhetoric..
Here,,, is as far as he will ever go, and he knows it..

Brendan
Guest

The Democrats are also praying that Allen West will run so he can drive independents away from the Republican Party as he turns the primaries into a clown show before he fizzles out and goes back to fear mongering and swindling conservatives.

Tess
Guest

If you’re not a fan,that’s your choice but go spread you’re racist hate onto your own sites and pages. I’m sure they’ll be better received.

Dale
Guest

It’s interesting…you all have gotten upset with Tess because she called you a racist because you do not agree/like Allen West’s political stance….funny how those of us that are conservative who do not agree/like President Obama’s political stance are ALWAYS called a racist and no one on the left has a problem with using the word…hmmm…interesting….

elle
Guest

very good observation

Carl Kimball
Guest

Tess, there was no racist remark made. Brendan just gave his opinion and nothing more. By you saying that makes you look like you have a problem with race, since nothing racist was put forth.

Brendan
Guest

Racist hate?

What did I write that was racist?
Do you just assume any criticism is racist?

henryhiggins
Guest

Turn about is fair play. The Democrats have blathered for 6 years on how any criticism of Obama or Holder is most definitely racist.
Now go away and live under the precedent that your ilk has set.

Brendan
Guest

Oh, I see.
You think two wrongs make a right.
Because someone played the race card to someone else, you think it’s okay for the race card to be used against me.

The expression you’re using “turn about is fair play” would apply if I had used the race card… not someone else.
Nice try kid.
Most children know that two wrongs don’t make a right.

mastersoftheobvious
Guest

I would like all those who are offended by “under God” to explain how any one has ever been harmed by saying those words.

I would also like to know what “statement” a person is trying to make by refusing to say “under God” and just how he or she is making his life or anyone else’s life better by standing up for what in reality amounts to his “right” to be a self centered ass.

TruConserv
Guest

What is the words were “Under Allah,” or “under Satan.”

Still think words don’t matter?

mastersoftheobvious
Guest

They’re not. False dilemma. changing the subject means you don’t have an answer. And you are clearly not a true conservative.

TruConserv
Guest

substitution and interchange are classic forms of logic. You may wish to dodge the question, but ever other reader knows exactly the point I am making and know its logic is irrefutable. As a Christian you would never want to be forced to say “so help me Satan,” or “so help me Allah,” or “so help my own damn self.” Stop trying to make people do what you wouldn’t do. Start being an American who loves and respects the Constitution.

mastersoftheobvious
Guest
Here’s the deal; when people want to view themselves heroic because they take a completely selfish stand that serves no purpose and they wish to do it without consequences a little push back should be expected. The rule is that you say “so help me God”. If you don’t like the rule say: “This is against my value system and you lose my services”. None of us gets to make our own rules. If it’s that important to you then stand up and take the consequences and stop being a crybaby. Oh, and respect the constitution. My question was: “who… Read more »
TruConserv
Guest
You need to read up on the SCOTUS cases, for as long as the issue has been litigated, your side has lost. You then need to read up on the US Constitution, Art. VI and the 1st Amendment. No religious tests and no establishment of a religion – that’s why your side loses before the Supreme Court. You then need to learn what Judeo-Christian means. It’s not a religion, it’s not a faith, it’s an amalgamation of principles common to both. It’s also a term that didn’t exist until 1847. The US wasn’t founded on concept that didn’t exist as… Read more »
elle
Guest

Excellent TruConserv – yes words, quite powerful.

Sgtsnuffy
Guest

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I
will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States,
and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the
Constitution of the United States”
Well with Obama you can leave out , Preserve, Protect and Defend. And put in their place, Rewrite, Ignore, and Golf.

Rafael X
Guest

I am historically challenged where does it say that “America was established upon a Judeo-Christian faith heritage” Constitution says no establishment of any religion.

Earl Lee
Guest

Allen (buy my tee shirts) west….I just researched your GUARDIAN FUND and this is AWFUL!! Now I know where you are getting your money from. $4,853,138 collected and $20,000 sent to 4 candidates. Bongino, Dan (R-MD) $5000.00, Kaifesh, Lawrence Joseph (R-IL) $5000.00, Love, Mia (R-UT) $5000.00 and
Cotton, Tom (R-AR) $5000.00.
Thats ALL!! You LOONS keep making these people RICH!!!

Paul Sheridan
Guest

Just as an update the Air Force has requested clarification from DoD on this policy. Unofficial word is that the response is going to be “Of course he can take the oath without the religious test you nitwits. Quit screwing around and get back to work.”

Paul Sheridan
Guest

Aaaaaand we’re done here. The final score is Freedom of Religion 1 – Allen West 0.