UK limits free speech for some – should we follow suit?

When does the revered right of free speech cross the line? For British Prime Minister David Cameron, when it comes from Islamists. According to CNS News, “British Prime Minister David Cameron announced Sunday that the United Kingdom is cracking down on the speech and activities of sympathizers of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)—aka ISIS. In an oped, Camerson said the group represents a “poisonous extremism” that poses “a clear danger to Europe and to our security.”

Finally, someone, an actual leader gets it and understands that free speech cannot be used to incite sedition. One would only hope the same would occur here in the United States – I’m not holding my breath.

But we must come to understand that groups listed as terrorist organizations — Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaida, ISIS and a litany of others — must not be granted the support of those who reside in countries where they have been designated so. And we need to be circumspect about allowing the existence and influence of organizations that have ties to these groups. I hope someday there will be an American leader with the courage to designate the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization.

“If people are walking around with ISIL flags or trying to recruit people to their terrorist cause, they will be arrested and their materials will be seized,” Cameron wrote in The Telegraph. “We are a tolerant people, but no tolerance should allow the room for this sort of poisonous extremism in our country,” he added.

Gee, I guess Prime Minister Cameron is in agreement with my maxim of “When tolerance becomes a one way street it leads to cultural suicide.”

“The creation of an extremist caliphate in the heart of Iraq and extending into Syria is not a problem miles away from home,” Cameron emphasized in his column. “Nor is it a problem that should be defined by a war 10 years ago. It is our concern here and now.”

Cameron realizes Islamic jihadist ideology is a cancer which is festering and growing within his country — and ours.

“If we do not act to stem the onslaught of this exceptionally dangerous terrorist movement,” Cameron says, “it will only grow stronger until it can target us on the streets of Britain.” Sadly, for British Soldier Lee Rigby that has already happened.

The ability to hide in Western countries and turn our freedoms upon us is a brilliant cultural chess move by Islamists. And when challenged, they, and their Western cultural jihadist apologist allies, employ the tactic of intimidation by crying “Islamophobe” to silence opposition to their agenda.

Cameron has realized that he must take action based upon increasing instances of recruitment attempts by ISIL (also known as the Islamic State for Iraq and Syria (ISIS) or the Islamic State) in the UK. Last week, leaflets were being handed out on Oxford Street in London encouraging British Muslims to join ISIL in jihad in Iraq. An ISIL flag was also recently flown at a housing project in East London.

In recent weeks the British government has taken down 28,000 pieces of terrorist-related material from the web, including 46 ISIL-related videos.

We in the Western world will not be successful until we have more leaders who take action in the same vein as Cameron. We reported here that the number one boys’ name in England is Muhammad. We can no longer bow down to the false gods of “multiculturalism” as we enable our own cultural demise. Islamic totalitarianism and jihadism is on the march and the perpetrators are achieving victory only due to our own reticence to push back.

It’s clear what ISIS thinks about “coexist” — they just delivered their own slogan with the beheading of the American journalist, James Wright Foley.

Our move.

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hawk1
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While Prime Minister Cameron cuts short his vacation after the beheading of James Foley, Obama continues to golf. It’s a grave understatement to say we will not have leadership until he is out of office. How quickly this extremism could grow before we have true leadership here.

born in 1977
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Was he the first black american president, or the first muslim president? hmmmm……….

Nancy Dean Helsel
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Obama’s plan is working! Why not golf?

solly gratia
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Don’t get too excited. Cameron cut short his holiday over one journalist, but what about the thousands of Christians, Yazidi and Shi’a who have died, been hurt, and made homeless? He bans ISIL, but allows Muslim hate preachers to remain in this country for years, demonstrating on our streets, calling for Sharia law, and Death to the West. This is too little too late. he’s as useless as Obama. Cameron is part of the liberal left that kowtows to the Muslim side; we have halal meat in our food system and no one knows where it is or where it… Read more »
elle
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Is not too little too late – wrong attitude. Better late than never works. It will be uphill battle – but we can take the hill. Cameron sees what needs to be done – support him.

hawk1
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Obama is a kowtower too, but dances and golfs his time away while these horrible atrocities are happening. Nothing like projecting an imbecilic and weak image in today’s world. I fear “too little too late” for us as well as most of your above points are happening here.

LMW51
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So, if it is “too little to late”, you surrender?

You are doing the same thing…while not looking back to a war 10 years ago, you are looking backwards. The ONLY way to stop this is to begin today and look forward.

hawk1
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Agree wholeheartedly, but HOW do we stop this problem from continuing to grow when Obama is complicit and we still have him in office until 2016?

elle
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How: We never give up, give in, back down, or back up. We continue to prepare and prepare to continue. We put a man in office that will bring the US back to where she rightly should be, we spend our time until then making sure that a strong leader is put in place. Yes of course it will get worse with Obama, expect this. Expect the worse and prepare for it. He will be gone and you will see that this time remaining will fly by us. What will happen in the meantime from right now till then, who… Read more »
hawk1
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Amen! I am behind Dr. Carson for 2016.

hawk1
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Allen West for Secretary of Defense

SouthernMan
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Wonder how the President would feel if his daughters were under Sharia law? ISIS wants it here. Has stated they will bring it here. What part do they not understand about that statement

Dani California
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ISIS can’t do anything to us… we have the most powerful military in the world, they have a bunch of kids with stolen weapons and a territory the size of Michigan. Their will be no Sharia law in America, because AMERICANS DON’T WANT IT

elle
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not just his daughters, his wife too!!!

KJinWTexas
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It may be too late, but it’s a start and I agree. I never thought I’d hear myself say we need a limit to free speech, but then we never had to deal with jihadists in our midst before either. Hezbollah supporters held a rally in Orlando recently that, imo, shouldn’t have been allowed. It’s times like these that our first amendment bites us in the butt.

me
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The thing is, OUR RIGHT to freedom of speech, or any other Right, DOES NOT extend to FOREIGNERS!!! The Constitution and Bill of Rights are FOR AMERICANS!!! Visitors and ILLEGAL immigrants and FOREIGN INVADERS here from other countries are not afforded the same RIGHTS and FREEDOMS that citizens are!!! Their citizenship is in another country!!! It is utterly ridiculous that ANYONE can come to our country and dishonor OUR FLAG, OUR LAWS, OUR PEOPLE, and get by with it!!!

elle
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something the liberals have yet to understand

elle
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It is NEVER to late to fight evil.

KJinWTexas
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So true, that’s why I agreed. The problem is what Congress would do with that…endless changes with fewer and fewer freedoms for us. They’ve pretty much made mincemeat out of the Constitution already.

FedorTheGreat!
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If there is a limit to free speech….Then speech is no long free.

melfarmer
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There is already a limit to Free Speech. ..you cannot go into a crowded building and scream FIRE if there is not one….that would cause panic and possibly trampling people to death…so limiting terrorists freedom of speech would be considered that same thing! They aren’t speaking about love, peace and joy! They speak of death and destruction!

FedorTheGreat!
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Baby steps my friend. These are just baby steps.

born in 1977
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They are recruiting people to work against us. That’s a deportable offense. cough-cough.

LMW51
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““The creation of an extremist caliphate in the heart of Iraq and extending into Syria is not a problem miles away from home,” Cameron emphasized in his column. “Nor is it a problem that should be defined by a war 10 years ago. It is our concern here and now.” Totally agree. Democrats (like Bob Beckel) who seek to justify Obama’s lack of action need to wake up and realize that this is TODAY. It matters not how we got here at this point, it matters how we take care of it today; we can look back after we have… Read more »
whoselineisitanyway
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Obama just go away already.

William Richardson
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We also need to have some limitation on what idiots like Harry Reid can say as well, as others, regardless of political persuasion. If it is an outright lie as he has spoken in the past, then he should be censured. Examples are when he accused Mitt Romney of not paying taxes for 10 years and calling people liars who have lost their health insurance due to Obamacare.

elle
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Cameron wants to stop the recruitment of radical Islamic terrorists, good – it’s about damn time! Now put on your battle rattle and get ready UK cause Islam is trying to take over the UK and they ain’t gonna like this not one little bit. I applaud him loudly. Godspeed UK!

David Casey
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By all means, ISIS, or VIOLENT radical group for that matter, need to be dealt with, but limiting a specific groups freedom of speech sounds like a “slippery slope” I’m not willing to back. Who will be next, Christians?

Donya Burnitt Singletary
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Donya Burnitt Singletary

You are a little late, Christians free speech has already been limited.

David Casey
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Thanks for reading beyond the point.

debw777
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Yes, he’s right. I think we are all born with the same rights to free speech, but some people clearly abuse their rights. We are also born with the right to freedom, but we lose it if we commit murder.

itzfatcat
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Obama has already attempted to limit free speech. Anything against
his Administration and Democrats in general. You see it in the media,
statements from Democrat politicians, and government departments like IRS, DOJ,
Education, and Homeland security. We
will never see this restriction made on Muslims because it is clear that Obama
is an Islamic supporter.

Danny Robertson
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America must move on this. I’ve been saying along . A good muslim is a dead Muslim. Hang them all kids mothers an fathers hang.

Dani California
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Normally I’d assume you’re a troll, but some of you are so stupid that it honestly wouldn’t surprise if you were serious

Mike Spanjer
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run extremist’s from islam out of our country these pigs who disgrace our flag should have no rights here look at the pigs in Florida why do we put up with these swine

Mike Spanjer
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uk has already giving them to mush power you better get rid of them they will be killing you next

robert south
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I think it would be a wise first step to stop immigration from the Middle East,something that should have been looked at long ago.

saveAMERICAfromTHEnutters
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saveAMERICAfromTHEnutters

Th UK might already be lost. The Islamists own some of the great cities and towns and great areas of London.

crickpics72
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Where are you getting your information from? Islamists do NOT own any towns or cities in the K. They may reside in small enclaves, or parts of cities may be predominantly Muslim, but in no way do they “OWN cities” Last time I looked, America has her problems with Muslims too, Dearborn, Michigan for example.

saveAMERICAfromTHEnutters
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saveAMERICAfromTHEnutters

I am in the UK and Paris monthly… there are many NO GO areas in many cities. There are some scummy cretins that hate anything non-Muslim.

TheDudeAbides
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Bomb Dearborn! Lol

anarchyst
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That’s “Dearbornistan” lol…

Hell-Cat
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While I’m tempted to say I agree, we have to be careful about limiting free speech. Lefties consider tea party people to be “extremists”. Crazy, I know, but it all depends on who’s in charge.

AWCheney
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There ARE exceptions to our own Constitutional guarantee to Free Speech, determined by the courts and upheld by the Supreme Court. “Because the First Amendment has such strong language, we begin with the presumption that speech is protected. Over the years, the courts have decided that a few other public interests — for example, national security, justice or personal safety — override freedom of speech. There are no simple rules for determining when speech should be limited, but there are some general tests that help.” http://www.freedomforum.org/packages/first/curricula/educationforfreedom/supportpages/L04-LimitsFreedomSpeech.htm Largely involving that which would create injury to others, both physically and mentally, under… Read more »
anarchyst
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The Constitution guarantees NOTHING. The Constitution is a “charter of negative rights” that PROHIBITS government from restricting speech, the right to bear arms, etc.

nina
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I so agree with this: “When tolerance becomes a one way street it leads to cultural suicide.”They can say whatever they like, but God forbid we pull someone we think is suspicious out of a line at the airport because we will be accused of racism.. Political Correctness is going to kill our country.

dba_vagabond_trader
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Closing the barn door after your horses run off. Nice going UK.

Chip
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We’re about three horses away from doing the same thing, if we do it at all.

born in 1977
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We won’t be doing anything.

pazaparry
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Cameron is a liar and full of shit,we have Muslim grooming gangs in every town and city in the UK,the chosen ones can do and say exactly what they want and get away with it, political correctness gone mad, just watch this very short video to see what i mean about CaMoron.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHqRtLeI_pE&feature=share

mare
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Please consider a run for VP, President…. or whatever, anywhere in government – that is where we need you.

Earl Lee
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How simple some are! He isn’t running for ANYTHING! With post like this he could never be president, vice president or dog catcher!

LMW51
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Really? Wait and see.

Earl Lee
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Wait for what?? If you knew ANYTHING about politics you would know he can’t run for NATIONAL office! Too much material against him on this BLOG!!!

born in 1977
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Why? Because he cares about America and Americans?

mare
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Well if Obama ran and won anyone could…..

elle
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a little, or a lot, of voter fraud always helps

mare
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Isn’t that the truth!

majorwiblit
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you don’t run,, you get picked, and put on a list,
he’s way to extreme, and majority of ‘mericans are pretty sick of that,,,
but in all due seriousness, who do you see getting the nomination
on the republican/conservative side??

born in 1977
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I don’t think he is extreme at all. He is telling it like it is.

majorwiblit
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and you are here,, along with others who don’t see that,,,
but the majority of the population see’s him on the fringe,,
like Sara, Glenn Beck,,, Rush…
his ” views ” are not in line with everyone else’s….

LMW51
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You must be a racist. You don’t like his views because he is black. Its not the policies he puts forward, its the color of his skin. Anyway, putting aside my “liberal, tolerant” imitation…… You might want to read a bit about how folks are waking up to the fact that the Democrats run all the cities with the biggest problems in this nation. You might want to read about the growing number of African Americans who are realizing that the Party that promised them a way out of poverty and dependence has actually led to the destruction of their… Read more »
mare
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Not really sure…I like a lot of people, but some may not be ready. Someone who is honest and stands by what he says, but who does that nowadays? Trey Gowdy would be a seemingly honest leader, would really like to see him as AG though. Who do you see as leading us out of the hell hole we are in?

TheDudeAbides
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Thanks, Captain obvious!

majorwiblit
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yw Biff..

Bill Blosser
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Shouting fire in a crowded theater, or any other such act which can cause harm or death to others as a result of any untruthful or hateful cry should be prosecuted under existing applicable laws. Any individual or group vocalizing, or by action(s) advocating injury or death of others should be tried for the appropriate “attempted crime” where a step to the crime is completed, or for “conspiracy to commit” when plans are made but stopped before the initiation of an action. This should apply to current domestic civil unrest as well as to international terroristic alliances advocating destruction of… Read more »
TheDudeAbides
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Where is all of the ourcry by non-violent muslims? That’s right! They don’t do Facebook!

McCabe
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They don’t exist.

maineman65
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they don’t do peace

bart007
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While I agree wholeheartedly with this I can see this being abused by expanding it to other groups deemed “terrorist”. I mean the Tea-Party is called a terrorist organization all the time. Trying not to be a naysayer just a devil’s advocate.

genemcleroy
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How about going to the dictionary and see what a real terrorist group does? There are a number of means in defining a terrorist (organization) but the most widely used conception is that of instilling fear in the general population.

bart007
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You apparently don’t watch how our politicians speak do you? I have 12 years of service in the Army (Infantry) with training in terrorism and tactics. Yet it doesn’t take a rocket surgeon or a conspiracy nut to figure out that this could type of policy could be abused. We have laws in place that prevent terrorism and activities and yet there are many groups out there pushing for the Tea Party and other conservative groups to be considered terrorist organizations, Not to mention the investigation of state militia groups and others who are considered “preppers”. So excuse me if… Read more »
Chip
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I agree, it’s a slippery slope, bart007. Who determines what is a terrorist group? If it’s the democrats and main stream republicans the Tea Party would be silenced. Not Good!!

Philanthropussy
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So you want the gov to crack down and limit terrorist sympathizers? Sounds like the IRS and tea baggers .
Sorry, West. We have something called the constitution and free speech to deal with. If an ISIS flag are considered terrorist, than so should rebel flags.
Do you want to notify Mohammad Ali to change his name?

LMW51
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How do you go from what West wrote here to Mohammad Ali having to change his name? Does his name inspire folks to murder?

Philanthropussy
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Read the link to the article. So there are good Mohammads and good Mohammads.
I can’t believe cour of everything I wrote in my response that’s all have.

LMW51
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Perhaps because YOU asked the question?

born in 1977
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Once upon a time in constitutional America communist sympathizers were not tolerated. The country did not tolerate what we are forced to tolerate now.

Philanthropussy
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Oh, the old old days. Communism is an ideology. And apparently the Us grow more talorance of comies , bec they are still around.

genemcleroy
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Who said anything about people’s names? We also have something called laws that prevent encouraging sedition.

Philanthropussy
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You obvious didn’t read West ag18 article. Like it was highlighted in this article. How easy was that to do?

Savage Patriot
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Philanthropussy. Please enlighten me. Just exactly What has the Tea Party Movement done to justify being called a terrorist group? Seriously Can you actually name ANY Fact to support your view of them as such. In case you haven’t been paying attention. (Which I highly suspect) ISIS has been killing Everyone who doesn’t align with them. Hence the Terrorist Designation. If Mohammad Ali was calling for Death to all Christians and Jews. I am quite sure there would be many asking him to go and join with his fellow Radical Muslims. However since he is not doing that, You obviously… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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I used tea baggers as an example of gov abuses. British gov limiting terrorist group, IRS limited whom they thought were terrorist groups.
West reported Mohammed was a popular name and mentioned how terrible multiculturalism is to society,
Anything else I can clear up for you ?

LMW51
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The IRS limited the free speech of anyone they felt would harm the campaign of Obama for re-election.

West is talking about limiting the free speech of those who incite violence and who recruit those willing to do that violence. Kind of like limiting the free speech of one who would scream “fire” in a crowded theatre….get it now?

There is a great deal of difference.

Philanthropussy
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Sorry, the constitution clearly states no limiting rights of speaches. Who do you pick to do make changes? Is there a slippery slope? 2) right to assembly 3) restriction of religious rights.

LMW51
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Okay so the First Amendment grants one the “right” to use words that incite a riot? Does the First Amendment grant one the “right” to voice or make a bomb threat? Is the spreading of the “Purge” meme with a date, time and city protected even as it causes terror amongst the people and increased vigilance among the police?

Philanthropussy
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Where did the Boston bombers learn to make pressure cooker bombs?
Read this article about inciting violence. Not that I agree with it, but freedom of speech is freedom of speech. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

LMW51
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In the UK Dawah (proselytizing) is permitted only for Muslims. Under the sharia, which the UK increasingly enforces, it is now illegal for Christians. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10933206/NHS-worker-who-bullied-Muslim-by-praying-for-her.html

Shall we allow the same to happen here only add that they can say “death to America” and recruit members for suicide missions protected by the First Amendment because “freedom of speech” is “freedom of speech”?

LMW51
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Wrong. To shout “fire” in a crowded theatre is NOT protected under the First Amendment right? Schenck v. United States in 1919 – Justice Holmes argued that limiting of certain free speech was permissible when it presents a “clear and present danger”. When Islamist recruiters engage in speech that is a “clear and present danger” that speech is NOT protected under the constitution. What this Administration did to Conservatives using the IRS is also unconstitutional and is being investigated and will most likely eventually end in some prosecution of those involved. But no one was “murdered” as a result of… Read more »
born in 1977
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But there are limits to free speech, and there always have been, in certain situations, regardless of exact words used in the Constitution. And the Supreme Court has affirmed this.

Philanthropussy
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Why bec they incite violence?

born in 1977
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I think the point West was making about Mohammed being the number one name for boys in Great Britain… has nothing to do with smearing multiculturalism. For Mohammed to be the number one boys name for babies born in the United Kingdom, clearly the native, indigenous people of the british isles, who have always lived on that land, are no longer the majority cultural group.

Philanthropussy
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Read the link to the article

Brendan
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Not true.
Mohammed is the most popular name… but that does not mean the majority of boys are being named mohammed.
many muslim boys have mohammed as a first or middle name… but non muslims boys are still the majority… they just have a wider variety of names.

More than 7,400 babies were named Mohammed last year in the UK… but 813,200 babies over all were born in the UK last year… so Mohammed was the name for less than 1% of the babies born in the UK last year.

Less than 1%

Muslims are not the majority by a long way.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/most-popular-baby-names-the-top-20-boys-and-girls-names-in-england-and-wales-9671635.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-23618487

Mohammed's pink swastika
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Mohammed's pink swastika

Muslims soon shall be the majority in the UK. The reason Muhammad is the number one name in the UK Is because of Muslim birth rates. Muslim families have an average birth rate of 8.1 children. Whereas average Non Muslim family birth rates of around 2.1

born in 1977
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That’s because Non-muslims don’t name every son a variation of their prophet’s name, but muslims do, right? That’s why it is the number one boys name in a country that is not their indigenous homeland.

LMW51
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Really?

2.8 Billion Muslims worldwide. That is approximately 29% of the worlds population. If only 1% were Islamic Extremists, how many people is that?

According to the last UK census, between 2001 and 2011 the Muslim population of the UK rose from 1.5 million to 2.7 million. An increase from 3 percent to 4.8 percent of the overall population.

Brendan
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I did not say they were less than 1% of the population.
i said that Mohammed was less than 1% of the baby names.

elle
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The terrorists of the world love the way you stick up for them.

Philanthropussy
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I can’t help it if the founding fathers didn’t see terrorist speech coming

Mohammed's pink swastika
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Mohammed's pink swastika

seditious speech is not illegal, nor should be. The actions that come from those values on the other hand absolutely are.

melfarmer
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God did! Why is your picture a face covered in that garb? Are you in America? You know you are free to show your face! Women in America are considered highly esteemed, not below a dog! Show your pretty face! Come out of Satan’s religion…let Jesus free you!

Philanthropussy
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Okay, all avatar have to show their faces. Is that the law according to who? I’m not the only one . Why am I singled out. ?

Mohammed's pink swastika
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Mohammed's pink swastika

I don’t show my face 😉

melfarmer
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Well I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings and you feel singled out…but you were the only person on this feed with a face covering…did I miss someone else on here with a covered face? I was trying to be supportive and tell you that as a woman here in America, you are valued and to show your pretty face!

Philanthropussy
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The picture is a joke. It was part of my Halloween costume a couple years ago. Miss Terrorist 2010. I’m using it to piss off the right wing Muslin haters . Send me your email address and I’ll send you my pic .

elle
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You want to hold up the constitution but at the same time ignore the threats that the country the constitution was written for face. Those that support the enemy of the US, seek to enlist and recruit support for terrorists, should not have freedom of speech here. It is hate speech aimed towards our country. The founders would have kicked them out of our country for this. Our founders fought against Muslims terrorists in their days. We fight against them now.

Chip
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Tea baggers (party) and government abuses in the same sentence? I don’t think you understand the Tea Party… But you, from you previous post above, mentioned the constitution… Since you don’t hear the truth from anyone else, I’ll tell you here… TEA PARTY + CONSTITUTION (period)

Philanthropussy
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Sweetie, I meant to say, British gov limiting people like the IRS limiting the tea baggers. Remember scandle??????
As with the Constution , like the rest of the conversative,s, you pick and chose what parts to support.

melfarmer
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We support it all! We promise, we don’t want to take anything away from you, we just want the same thing…for our government and radical demons not to do the same here! That’s all!

Philanthropussy
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Knock yourself out . Literally , knock yourself out

melfarmer
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WOW, pussnboots…out of me (a tea bagger, as you so politely call us) and you, who’s the violent one?

Philanthropussy
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Sorry if I scared you. I’ll use non confrontation words from now on. I hope you have a boo boo on your head.

melfarmer
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Aww, thanks pussywillow, you didn’t scare me! Thanks for worrying if I have a boo boo…my head is good!

Philanthropussy
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Good head? Is that an invitation?

melfarmer
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Lol…thanks for that laugh, pussycat! That was a good one!

LMW51
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Again, the IRS limited the free speech of those they perceived to be able to harm the President’s re-election. While unconstitutional, it did not allow the recruiting of suicide bombers did it? Two totally different things.

Anita Moore Fussell
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The problem as I see it, is not what the extremists say, but our lack of resolve to stop them from acting. I like that they give us a heads up on what they plan to do, so keep talking and running your mouth. I detest that there is no one with the balls to stop allowing them to come here, legally or illegally, and hate even more the press enables them, the WH funds them, and the CIA barters weapons to them. Free speech is every citizens constitutional right. However the Constitution doesn’t give that right to non-citizens, so… Read more »
melfarmer
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Very well said! The Constitution is an American document…not an Islam Muslim right!

Earl Lee
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Now you are talking about taking away freedom’s from the AMERICAN PEOPLE? How low are you willing to go??

melfarmer
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Earl…I hate to be the one to tell you this…but our speech has already been hijacked! And our Rights!

Earl Lee
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Uh huh and Obama is a muslim RIGHT??

melfarmer
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Well, I’m not sure if he is or isn’t…I do believe he is a sympathizer of the ones he thinks are “freedom fighters,” who are really demon possessed killers. I do believe that he wants America to not be a great Nation anymore, and that if we weren’t, other countries would stand a chance to build up their wealth! I believe he is very misguided in his thinking and that we Americans will pay the price for his delusional thinking!

LMW51
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Ignorance.

So, you support those who speak of overthrowing our Constitution and replacing it with Sharia law through the spilling of blood of those who will not convert? You support schools that teach that America is the “Great Satan”?

Nice.

Earl Lee
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Boy aren’t you a LOON!! That gloom and doom and fear doesn’t work with me

Mohammed's pink swastika
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Mohammed's pink swastika

Hey Earl, the Republicans are coming to take away your birth control.

anarchyst
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If a certain group centered in the middle east has its way, Americans would also be “muzzled”. In Europe, ANY deviation from “official” jewish “holocaust ™” orthodoxy is met with indictment, prosecution, fines and imprisonment. The TRUTH is no defense. Ask WW2 historian David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid conviction and imprisonment.
The First Amendment to our Constitution is NOT about protecting speech that most people agree with, but to protect “unpopular” speech.

LMW51
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Ah, a Holocaust denier. The children of survivors that I count as my friends would love to debate the reality of the tattoos and nightmares their parents had with you.

anarchyst
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No one here has said that the so-called “holocaust ™” did not happen. It is historical FACT. Problems arise when honest scholarly research is shut down because it might “upset the “holocaust ™” “gold mine”. There are many unresolved issues about this historical “event” that deserve scrutiny. Some of the pieces just do not fit. There is a sordid underbelly to this so-called “holocaust ™” that certain people with vested interests don’t want publicized. “Holocaust™ promoters would do well to stand up for themselves and provide concise counterarguments to justify their positions. One small “detail” that is left out of… Read more »
melfarmer
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“No one here has said that the so – called ‘holocaust’ did not happen! LOL! You just did in that very first sentence by placing quotation marks around the word “holocaust! ” Maybe you don’t know what those little marks mean when you place them in a sentence structured the way you just structured yours!

anarchyst
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I am only honoring the “trademark” that certain jews have put on the “holocaust™” outlawing any discussion that questions any aspect of this historical “event”.

melfarmer
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Have you ever personally spoken to anybody who had survived the holocaust?

anarchyst
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Yes, and I’ve been to that jewish “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, and things STILL don’t add up. The so-called “gas chamber” doors are not of a gas-tight design, there is no means of ventilating the space, and other inconsistencies that violate good engineering design. Out of respect, I have never brought these things up to the docents there. If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical and other ancillary facilities. Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate”… Read more »
melfarmer
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OMG….well, to each his own delusions, I guess! I’ll just leave it at that! I guess all the pictures were just doctored! I guess if the gas chambers weren’t “engineered” just right, you know to kill people, then it must be all lies! wow!

anarchyst
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…obviously you are not an engineer who would notice such things…

melfarmer
Guest

Let’s just agree to disagree, I’m way to old to ever come around to what you believe, and I bet you are never going to change what you believe…plus, this was a post about Freedom of Speech, not the holocaust! Not sure why I even commented on your original comment!

melfarmer
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You are correct, I am not an engineer. ..but I was a Building Inspector’s secretary…and I’d be willing to bet that back in the ’40’s, they really weren’t having buildings inspected for safety when they were using them to gas people to death! Also, you ask “if a country were hell bent…why would they keep records?” Who knows why insane people do what they do! Why don’t you go ask the radical muslims that are beheading and killing Christian and non – Muslims all over the Middle East at this very moment, why the are so HELL bent on doing… Read more »
Guest
Guest

Ah, a Holocaust denier. The survivors I know would love to have a conversation with you.

anarchyst
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BOTH Islam and jewish Zionism are problems that are best dealt with in the middle-east–NOT here.

LMW51
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But which “cult” is it that is taking over Iraq and Syria having murdered thousands of Muslims and on the path to murdering thousands of Christians? It is not the Jews who are defending themselves from Hamas who fires rockets into their cities on a daily basis, breaks cease fire after cease fire, built hundreds of tunnels into Israel and planned a major attack for a few months from using Concrete that Hillary Clinton pressured the Israeli’s into giving to Hamas.

McCabe
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Bugger off Nazi.

born in 1977
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Catholicism has faults too.

genemcleroy
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You really sound like a skin head Nazi.

Byron Shutt
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I guess Obama won’y be able to fly that flag anymore.

AZWarrior
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We already have that here. When the IRS delayed 501.c (3) groups applications, they were denied free speech until the commie candidate was re-elected. (Some have STILL not had their applications approved).

Dominic Haines
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if you really think ANY politician in the uk actually “gets it” you arent paying enough attention.

Kevin Stall
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I live in the UK and this is the first I have heard of this. Not on the news or in the papers.

Reality
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Are you saying that Mr. West is incorrect about not being able to criticize the Islamic religion in the UK?

Reality
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For once, I agree with Mr. West if he is talking about a religion trying to sensor any type of speech against it will not be tolerated. You are allowed to express your opinion but be prepared for others to talk back also. Once it gets physical, then you are out of line.

McCabe
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Islamists should be banished from the face of the earth.

Brendan
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Mr West… if you feel free speech should be limited to those making seditious comments… where would you draw the line? What about many of your supporters who talk about overthrowing the President? What about the organizers of the American Spring protests that wanted to overthrow the government and install a temporary government with you as one of its members? Where do you draw the line on what constitutes “inciting sedition”… or should it only be for inciting sedition when it comes from religious extremists… and would that be all religions? So for all your self proclaimed patriotism, what other… Read more »
Rusty catania
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Brendan…it is a very delicate issue and this infiltration must be stopped. What would you propose in it’s stead?

Brendan
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The system we have in place. Balancing freedom and security has always been a concern. Religious extremists like radical Islamists or the Westboro baptist church… militant separatists from the KKK to the Black Panthers… conspiracy theorists from moon landing deniers to birthers and truthers… all of them have a right to free speech. Look at the comments on some of these pages… how many people have made comments about wishing certain politicians and celebrities were dead… the same is done on leftist sites. How many people in these threads have called for the murder of muslim Americans? Should these people… Read more »
LMW51
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West has supporters who talk about “over-throwing” the President? Really? Can you give us some quotes and links to prove that that is the term they actually are using and the context in which it is said? Because context certainly matters my friend. If West supporters speak of defeating the President’s agenda or electing Republicans in 2014 to the Senate so that bills from the House will actually get to the Senate floor for debate and vote…well you get my drift I’m sure. And according to this blog, it would appear that the “American Spring” movement was just the Liberal… Read more »
SandyRS
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I do not want to over throw the government, I just want the courts to go by the Constitution and impeach Obama for treason and lying, and over reach of his kind of government. They impeached Clinton due to lying about having sex with Monica, but did it hurt an American life, no, just their reputation. What Obama, Hillary and Holden has done is hurting the lives of our military, border patrol, and an ambassador, the pocket books of individual. Now tell me why he should not be impeached.

Brendan
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Yes.. the “OFFICIAL American Spring folks”

Seditious insurgents always believe they are patriots.
Overthrowing a legally elected government and putting together kangaroo courts to punish political rivals is NOT a “restoration of Constitutional government.”
It is the very opposite. It is sedition.

melfarmer
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And in the six years that “Patriots” have been pissed off by the lawlessness of this administration, how many have been arrested for “plotting” to overthrow the government? Oh, that’s right! NONE! Good heavens, don’t let MSLSD and the demoncraps scare you so bad that you think “Patriots” are out for blood!

Brendan
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Wow… you don’t know how to read, do you?

Did you bother to even read the conversation you are commenting on?
no?

My point was that they should not be arrested because they are protected under free speech you moron.
Free speech is protected and they should not be arrested unless they actually do something.

Are you denying that they have not been talking about overthrowing the government?
Are you denying that that was the stated objective of the American Spring protests?

melfarmer
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Yes, I am…don’t you understand the point I was making, moron….When and where we’re these groups of plotters arrested for assembling and plotting to overthrow the government? Do you honestly think that with the NSA watching our every move, that if this plotting was going on, that our government wouldn’t have made some mighty big ARRESTS? You shouldn’t believe everything you hear from the progressives!

Brendan
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You’re an idiot who is arguing about something I never wrote. You are demanding I show proof of arrests when I never said anyone was arrested. I also never said anyone did anything illegal you moron. That is my point. Empty seditious talk is NOT illegal. Mr West, in the above article, suggested that seditious talk from muslim extremists in America should be illegal. I asked if he felt ALL seditious talk should be illegal, including those who call for the overthrow of the US government. Do you understand now? Or do you want to continue having an argument with… Read more »
melfarmer
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You’re right..I am an idiot for having an argument with a moron! You got me there! Bye-bye! Watch out with all that knowledge you think you hold over everybody’s head! You know the saying, “Pride goeth before the fall! But, I’m sure you will have no idea what I’m saying to you!

Mohammed's pink swastika
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Mohammed's pink swastika

so I think the question is, where do you draw the line between seditious talk and Sedition itself?

majorwiblit
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and he never will again… 1 term Sally has found his place, where he doesn’t have to answer to anyone, where he can write all this “stuff” and a small group of people just think he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread…. Fear and hate are becoming ( we are there already) big money makers here in ‘merica, and he wants to “cash in” on it all,,, People here love the constitution, yet cherry pick it, and some spit on it and they call themselves “patriots”…. you see them all here,,, the “He’s a Communist, Socialist, Marxist, Gay, Kenyan non… Read more »
Paul Deckelman
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Free speech is an important right in any nation that considers itself a democracy, or in the case of America, a constitutional republic. However, it is not unlimited – as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes famously said in a 1917 case regarding wartime dissent, it does not give one the right to falsely yell “FIRE!” in a crowded theater to create a panic. And Justice Robert Jackson – who as one of the prosecutors at the Nazi war crimes trials at Nuremberg had seen first-hand the results of granting untrammeled free speech to would-be tyrants and allowing them to hide behind… Read more »
elfman2
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No!

Booker
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Not really. What do I agree with is Nigel Farage’s proposition that those fight for ISIS should have their citizenry revoked is a beautiful idea. This better and has a less chance of being abused.

Remember what the limiting of free speech is doing here. Some things may start off with good intentions, but then they end up really bad.

If what Cameron is proposing is strictly defined and has no loopholes to be turned against individuals of good will, then maybe, just maybe I will support it.

Sgtsnuffy
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We have to be extremely careful going down this road. When Foreign Agents which many of these folks are, are calling for the over throw of the existing Nation and the destruction of it’s people then they must be arrested and deported and never allowed back into the deporting Nation ever again. If they are natural born citizens then they must be investigated for Sedition and possibly Treasonous Activities against their home Nation. If they are naturalized citizens strip them of the citizenship and deport them unless they are involved in Sedition, Espionage and Treason then Try them convict if… Read more »
anarchyst
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Let’s not forget the dual-nationality types that infest MY country’s social, political and government agencies and organizations.
There is absolutely NO PLACE for “dual-nationality (citizenship) in MY country. In fact, I would require all dual-nationality types to formally renounce their allegiance to their home (foreign) country as a condition of remaining in the United States. Mandatory deportation is the solution for all who refuse to “throw off” the ties to their (former) home countries…

Lets go back to the 90's
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Lets go back to the 90's

Slippery slope.. many other ways yet when your the UK your so far gone with Islamic extremism you have to start somewhere.

Robo
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These morons lament the free speech of islamists (murder/rape cult) all the while welcoming them into their country, letting them leech off social programs, etc. etc. How ironic that the animal who beheaded an American journalist spoke with a British accent. Shame on you Britain. You deserve what you’ve created you fools. http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/08/20/bracken-the-islamic-jihad-conquest-formula/

Mohammed's pink swastika
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Mohammed's pink swastika

Not only that, but the reporter who was beheaded, supported the Islamic rebels who inevitably, captured him tortured him and murdered him.

Robo
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Exactly. The “religion of peace” was founded on the idea of forced violent submission including murder, rape, child abuse and slavery. It’s a joke, a cult and a tolerant world cannot continue to tolerate it’s intolerance.

zulu
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Sounds good to me.

Politically Constipated
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This is a very slippery slope. While it may seem to be the right course of action, we do need to be smarter without shredding liberty or the Constitution. Our Western practices must encourage assimilation and not segregation. Limit travel from hotspots, travel to hotspots is a one way ticket, Make terrorist infiltration difficult. Crack down on Sharia law, there will be no sub-laws within our system. Western law is the only law – make harsh example of Sharia based action. Eliminate Sharia friendly lending, there will only be interest backed lending practices in Western nations. No tolerance for burqas… Read more »
David Akers
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You cannot ‘assimilate’ terrorists. You can only eradicate them when they show their disgustingly ugly heads. Wipe them out and any trace of their DNA from the planet.

Politically Constipated
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I wholeheartedly agree. However, what if the current PC paradigm views Christians in the same vein? We cannot dispense of the Constitution to eliminate the current enemy. Instead, we have to work within those constitutional bounds to minimize and ultimately eradicate the threat. Trust me, I would like to do everything the Col. suggested, but I’m not willing to set precedence to where similar reasoning could be brought to bear against my family based on my Christian religion. I think there are other means, but they need to be applied rationally and with consideration of the Constitution.
melfarmer
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You do realize the very fact that our Constitution and Bill of Rights are being shredded all the time with this administration, right?

Politically Constipated
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Yes, but just because the current administration shreds the Constitution does not mean that I will do so too. I respect that document too much!!!

melfarmer
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Okay, but with that said, the Constitution only protects American citizens…and trust me these radicals have not come over here and become American citizens, they would die before they would denounce their heritage and become one of the very people they despise. …so, why should they be protected by our document when we Americans are hardly protected by it anymore? I mean think about it…Our government used a drone on a man, American, and his son, killed them for suspecting he was plotting terrorism on America and Americans! So if he was American, last time I checked, Americans have a… Read more »
David Akers
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About damn time a politician grew a pair, and actually has a brain. To those who cry ‘slippery slope’, the only slope is the one at the front of your head. These extremists are a clear and present danger and must be eradicated from the planet by any means necessary. I would call them cockroaches, but cockroaches have a more useful position in the world.
All you have to put in the wording is ‘those who advocate for the harm of others’.

aemoreira81
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The UK does not have anything resembling the First Amendment that the USA does. To emulate what was done in the UK in the USA would require an Amendment to the First Amendment…whose passage would not be an open-and-shut case.

lbustin@verizon.net
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I don’t think inciting violent behavior qualifies for protection of free speech.