Do ISIS and those forcing the Navy to remove Bibles from guest rooms have the same end goal?

Other than ISIS itself, I cannot believe there is anyone not appalled by their genocidal actions against Christians in Iraq — indeed we are witnessing a global persecution of Christians from the Coptics in Egypt to Pakistan. Things are so dire that even the Vatican has approved military action against the Islamic terrorist army. However, you don’t have to leave America’s shores to find or experience Christian persecution – it’s just being done more covertly.

As reported by Fox News, “There is growing outrage among sailors and religious liberty advocates over a directive that calls for the removal of Bibles from lodges and hotels run on U.S. Navy bases. The directive comes after an atheist group filed a formal complaint earlier this year over the placement of Bibles in the rooms. “The current direction is to remove all religious material from Navy Lodge guest rooms,” read an email to a Navy chaplain from The Navy Exchange Service Command (NEXCOM). “For those Navy Lodges with religious materials currently in guest rooms, the Navy Lodge General Manager will contact the Installation Chaplain’s office who will provide guidance on the removal procedure disposition of these materials.”

So now we’ve evolved to the point in America where we refer to God’s Holy Bible as simply “materials.” This is how it happens, the silent war that results in the death of the Judeo-Christian faith heritage of our Republic. This is how secular humanists erase all semblance of our faith tradition so that future generations will reject the premise.

So I ask, what is the difference between the violent actions of ISIS and the covert actions of these atheist groups? Let’s be honest, the desired end state and result is the same — the death of Christianity.

And how did this all get started? The same usual suspects, the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), which we’ve reported on previously. Most recently the FFRF won a legal settlement with the IRS allowing them to question sermons being delivered by Christian pastors and ministers — their goal is to eliminate and punish Christian churches for “issue advocacy.” And you might remember the handiwork of Mikey Weinstein and his MRFF group regardig his complaint against a nativity scene in the GITMO chow hall last December.

Fox says “the FFRF had filed a complaint with the military — claiming the presence of the Bible “amounts to a government endorsement of that religious text.” “FFRF is pleased to learn that NEXCOM has taken seriously its constitutional obligation to remain neutral toward religion as a representative of our federal government. By removing Bibles from Navy-run lodges, the Navy has taken a step to ensure that it is not sending the impermissible message that Christians are favored over guests with other religious beliefs or over those guests with no religion.”

Mikey Weinstein, the president of the oxymoronic titled Military Religious Freedom Foundation, told Fox he was delighted to hear of the Navy’s directive. His organization has been trying for more than seven years to cleanse military hotel rooms of the Good Book. “We are happy to see the military doing that,” Weinstein said. “For years we’ve been telling them those Bibles are a violation of the Establishment Clause.”

I think Mikey is seriously out to lunch because neither he nor anyone else is being forced into being Christian — which is a faith, not a religion. Furthermore, neither the Navy nor any U.S. military service promotes or advances any particular religion and certainly does not demand its service members follow any particular religion. After all, the United States has no established religion — but our faith tradition as a nation is rooted in the Judeo-Christian heritage.

The good news — how appropriate — is that Navy leadership is considering reversing removal edict and I am quite sure FFRF and MRFF are fuming. I just have to say, Bravo Zulu! I will be paying attention as to whether these groups now run to the Obama administration to apply pressure against the uniformed Navy senior leadership. And based on Obama’s current actions of turning his back on Christians in Iraq, you can almost be certain on whose side he will align.

At a time when we are watching the decimation of our military force, the last things we need are these nuisances taking away the attention of military leaders. If we had a Secretary of Defense who didn’t have his head up his fourth point of contact, he would tell these groups to “shove off.”

But just realize that FFRF, MRFF and ISIS have more in common strategically than perhaps we want to admit. And that’s why we must make a stand against them all. Not all atheists or Muslims support these types of groups — so why don’t y’all speak out?

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Jane Wilson
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This is disturbing and heartbreaking. What can we do?

Nancy Dean Helsel
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start sending Bibles to military members

cheongyei
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Start sending qurans, too. And books on Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism and Janism. Really confuse the hell out of them.
The bible, quran and any other religious text can be downloaded on any mobile device.
You prosletizers are sick.

blowingoffgodot
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The end goal of the atheist movement is to ensure that church and state remain separate realms.

The fact is that if the Navy is stocking those rooms with only scripture from one religion, then it does constitute a government endorsement of a religion, which is a pretty clear violation of the establishment clause.

The United States is not a “Christian nation” by any stretch of the imagination.

Kat McAvoy
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Instead of whining why don’t you ‘logically’ place all religious and non religious books into these motels, hotels and cities? Let’s see how far that gets you? While you’re at it, lets equally see you build churches and non religious churches on every corner , just like Starbucks genius……then lets see if you have time to complain ..

Sgtsnuffy
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Yeah you’re right we are a Muzzy nation and you best get down to your nearest Mosque and get your copy of the Quran and your prayer rug. Yeah the Goberment is forcing everybody to be Christians on pain of Death and Dismemberment. It’s happening as we speak. Yessiree Bob.

Nancy Dean Helsel
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Read your history….this country was founded on judeo-christian values! Freedom of religion means the ‘state’ cannot determine which Christian religion we were to follow. Why do you think all public buildings originally had the ten commandments posted? Are you really that uneducated? Plus, the Gideons have been placing free Bibles in hotel rooms for years. Who else does that? go take a nap, or blow off somewhere else, TROLL!

Brendan
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Read your Constitution and try again.
We are a nation open to all religions.

cheongyei
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Buddhists will send their books, musslimms will send qurans, hindus will send their books.
That’s who else does it. Just because it’s free doesn’t make it a good idea Nancy.

elle
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It may not be a Christian Nation on paper, but it is by the numbers, 77% of adults in the US are Christians and identify themselves as such. But the beautiful thing is that in the US you have the freedom to be whatever you want to be, it is your choice.

blowingoffgodot
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Okay, what if the Navy started stocking the rooms with Koran’s? Would you be so happy about it then?

The percentage of Americans who are Christian is irrelevant. Our government is secular and cannot endorse particular religious beliefs.

aebe
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Have any other religion , cult , or any congloburation claiming to have religion been refused having their words placed next to a Gideon’s ? ( Costing the citizen or non , nothing )

Validate your 2nd Amendment Rights . Carry

Kentucky red
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The Navy don’t buy or place Bibles. The Bibles that are placed in hotels are put their by the Gideon s who pay for the printing of the Bible then send out volunteers who receive permission then put the Bibles in the rooms.

elle
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meant to add: The percentage of Americans who are Christian is irrelevant so say you; this is not true. Yes we are.

aebe
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And Christians Vote !

Nancy Dean Helsel
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Again, are you really that uneducated about the founding of this country, blowoff?

elle
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If the Navy started stocking the rooms with the Koran? I would ignore it. Just like I would ignore any atheist texts I found there. It is about respect and tolerance. Besides, the Navy already has them back in, they are not going to bend over to your atheist demands: http://m.military.com/daily-news/2014/08/15/navy-tells-lodges-to-put-bibles-back-in rooms.html?ESRC=eb.nl When are you atheists going to understand, Christianity is never going away. Stop being offended, you don’t offend me at all. In fact I rarely even think of an atheist until one pops up whining about this and that. I would tell you to go to hell, but… Read more »
senior74
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The communist are the ones pushing anti-Christianity also. I read an article from congress written in 1969 I think. An investigation into the communist plan to take over America in 45 steps. And one was to do away with Christianity, I know Obama is on board pushing the UN Agenda 21 plan which will make the US part of a communist one world gov. Check out democratsagainstunagenda21.com even the liberals hate this when they learn about it!

Carol Chang
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The Navy is not stocking rooms with anything. These are the Gideon Bibles that has been in the drawer of every hotel/motel in the country. If you don’t want to read it, ignore it Like it or not, this is a country that was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Even with a bible in the drawer you are free to kneel down and put your tush in the air whilst you bang your head against the floor. You are free to roll around on the floor or bed and speak in mysterious tongues or to outline a pentagram and summon deamons… Read more »
Joe Whitty
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I usually enjoy using the Gideon material as toilet paper.

Flip Flop
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Joe Whitty. the world would have been better off if your mother would have just Swallowed you!!!!!!!!!

elle
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The Koran would work so much better, you should try it 🙂

blowingoffgodot
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The rooms are cleaned and maintained by military personnel and it is a safe bet that, although not provided by the Navy, the physical placing of the bibles into the rooms was done by seamen.

DMG
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Did you forget that this “One nation under God” gives you the right to voice your OPINION in public? Go try that in Iraq tomorrow and see how long you can mouth off before you find your head on the end of a pole.

Born in '42
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GOD is determined to be GOVERNMENT!!!! That is the Liberal goal!!!!!

David Cooper Sr.
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I don’t know of any hotel or motel even in the military has purchased any bibles. The Gideon’s supply all the bibles. Support your local Gideon. If other religions want to put there book in these rooms good for them.

Chris
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Allen West! I drew the same parallels just yesterday in a comment to a news story. ISIS and Liberals do have very similar agendas. Both have a very low level of tolerance when it comes to their agendas. Both do not care of the consequences to the opposing view.

Marshalldoc
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Well, that confirms it! Allan West is just bat-s**t insane! The idiocy spewed in this emetic rant isn’t worth a response – as though any response could penetrate the delusional cloud he evidently exists in.

Sgtsnuffy
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Freaking putzes. Here we got people like weinerstein who’s a self hating Jew who wants to destroy all Christian Faiths and leave the world in the hands of Wiccans, ISLAMICS, and Druids. Yeah those are all non religions and meet with these slimes approval. If they hate this country so damn much why don’t they just immigrate to the Caliphate and convert.

Dave Hobley
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Why, so you can have your own Caliphate? Ridiculous… You obviously do not believe in true freedom nor our Constitution…

Sgtsnuffy
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Where the hell were you while LTC West was serving his Country?????? By your back ground picture and your shirt it’s looks like you’re a member of the Hard Core Anti American Pro ISLAMIC Progressive Left.

Joe Whitty
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The convicted felon Allen B West was summarily fired from the army after violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. If you choose to agree with the viewpoint of a military criminal, then you deserve the fleecing you will encounter as you send money for another of his causes

Doug Evans
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LIAR! First of all, there is no “being fired” from the military, your term of enlistment ends or your are put out under less than honorable conditions. Colonel West retired honorably with full honors, there was no summary anything. Yes, he was fined for being rude to a murderer, so what? The Army wasn’t seriously interested in punishing him for doing his job, it was all political pressure that forced his commander to give him a minor spanking. If was all political pressure from liberal cowards who value Islamist murderers over American soldiers.

Dave Hobley
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I am an Independent Fiscal Conservative with a Strong Military Stance (not a liberal), so I support some of what Allen West supports… However, as a young Jewish man who has been through Religious Discrimination in School (my family was so religiously discriminated against we finally ended up homeless for years right here in the good ol’ US of A) and in the US Military (Air Force to be precise) I am completely offended by this and some of the other garbage being spewed about the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) who is actually protecting our Constitutional Rights in this… Read more »
cheongyei
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I agree completely. West is wrong on this one.
In this age of full books on mobile devices, all but the dirt poor can take their reading with them on phones or tablets. No need to put books in rooms, and why choose only one when there are dozens of religions competing for men’s souls.

Right on.

Rational74
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I totally agree.

Bruce Norbeck
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I’m never surprised by the Coulter-esque spew that Allen West enjoys. I’m just surprised, & saddened, that people take either of them seriously.

Joe Whitty
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Allen West, the convicted violat of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,

Jim
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So… I know many people that have been to NJP.

Doug Evans
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Hey Joe – why don’t you man up and answer Gretchen’s question? Did you ever spend any time in the military? Have you in any time in your life had the guts to put on a uniform and do what craven cowardly liberals will never have the courage to do day after day, year after year? Do you know what it’s like to stand in front of your commander and be threatened with prison for the crime of doing your job?

senior74
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He saved his troops, said he would carry a can of gasoline into hell for his troops!!! You ought to get your facts straight. Yeah the rules of engagement of
changed since Obama stole the office. Now it’s protect the enemy first!

Joe Whitty
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Allen B West was convicted by a court martial of VIOLATION of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. he was then forcibly separated from the army. now he was found a platform that allows him an income fleecing rubes and faux news addicts of their monies. It would not surprise me to find out that “col”West targets elderly simpletons of their life savings…good Job “Col” West!

Gretchen
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Hey, Joe Whitty – Col. West was charged under the UCMJ basically for assault. Assault – DURING A WAR!! Have you ever been to war, Joe Whitty? I doubt it! Well I have. Col. West was attempting to obtain information about a possible attack on his unit, based on intelligence reports. If I were a part of his unit I would have been grateful to have such a commander looking after my best interests. War is hell, Mr. Whitty. It’s about kicking ass and taking names. Why don’t you crawl back into the hole you came from, you creep and… Read more »
Joe Whitty
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Gretchen Carlson, the fact remains that west is a convicted military felon and was cashiered by the military. He was not allowed to stay. He is a criminal in the army’s eyes.

Doug Evans
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LIAR! He is not a convicted felon. Your incomprehension of military law and the article 15 process is glorious in the realms of ignorance. That’s the kind of ignorance that got Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi elected. All Col West is guilty of is saving American Soldiers lives, which is obviously very unimportant to you, so why don’t you go ahead and answer Gretchen’s question and tell us all about your military career, your decorations, the years you wore a uniform. Tell us how many re-enlistment ceremonies you had where you swore to uphold and defend the constitution and… Read more »
Joe Whitty
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The FACT remains that “col” west is no better than a Kentucky Col or Col. sanders of KFC. He commands no army, no personnel. He was convicted of assaulting prisoners in violation of the Geneva Convention. For the sake of those still serving, he was given a court martial to show the world that the army does not want criminals in its ranks; assault is a criminal act. He was removed from duty, forcibly retired and sent packing by the army. he has no job, couldn’t get hired as a fry cook at KFC. He relies on welfare from the… Read more »
Joe Whitty
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Gretchen, who has bewitched you? Has the “col” mesmerized you, or is he your Rasputin ?

Doug Evans
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Answer her question, if you dare. Tell us all about your years of military service.

Joe Whitty
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“Col” west was a cancer that the army had to remove to keep good order and disapline. When people decide to make thier own rules in warfare, the army becomes a gang of thugs which was the direction “col” west was heading. I am a subcomaander of the seaborn rangers, a volunteer boating group that patrols lakes and rivers for violations of alcohol abuse. We board vessels and will commence a class one search for any alcoholic beverages and seize same. I guess you have not served your country in any way shape or form, except to cheer on gangsters… Read more »
Jim
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So you are actually conducting illegal searches? You are no better than a low life thug. Violating one law to attempt to uphold another. You are no better than those gangster in the Seaborne Rangers….

Kevin Y8404
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Uh, the only thing on Google that shows up with the quoted term “seaborn rangers” on this post, so if you sail up to me I’ll kindly tell you to p!ss off.

Gretchen
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Joe Whitty – You have no idea what you are talking about. Col. West was not court-martialed and he was not convicted of any crime. He is not a felon. He was simply referred for non-judicial Article 15 proceedings, (“the receipt of non-judicial punishment does not constitute a criminal conviction and is equivalent to a civil action”), in which he paid a $5k fine. He retired from the military – his decision – with full benefits. Col. West is a highly decorated hero. And the fact remains that you are a lowly worm and will never be anything more. TO… Read more »
Mason Day III
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i read about the smear from Patrick Murphy….. In my Judgment you are a “Revolving Void Surrounded by a Sphincter” . Any way you are turned you come up one !!!!!!!!!!!! Keep on Drinking that Kool Aid !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe Whitty
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Mason, you are one of the elders that I fear “col” west is fleecing…call your states Secretary of State office and lodge a complaint. Together we can rid the world of this grifter

tarandfeatherthecrooks
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tarandfeatherthecrooks

Troll

Joe Whitty
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The Old Testament is a bit rough and the New Testament is not worthy of the wipe

cheongyei
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You want some scripture while traveling, download your favorite ‘holy’ book to your mobile device.
Most of us don’t want to see religious advertising in a hotel room.

dan
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Karl Marx would be proud…

senior74
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I agree, one huge issue I haven’t heard any politician tell America about is UN Agenda 21 which is a plan to make the USA part of a communist one world gov & they are for sure out to end Christianity!! But then again this started with elder Bush signing on & then Clinton started a committee to push the plan & now Obama is really rushing it. This agenda is about inventory & control over everything, even humans!! The said thing is when the liberals learn about this, even they are fighting it. Check out democratsagainstunagenda21.com excellent blog about… Read more »
Brendan
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Ridiculous article. Does a group opposed to any one religion being given preference over any other have anything in common with a radical religious extremist group trying to enforce the dominance of their religion over all others? No. They are polar opposites. As to the separate issue of Bibles provided in government buildings…. Tell me Mr West, since these lodgings are government property, how do we follow the Constitution on this matter? It seems the only way to be in line with the Constitution is to either have no religious book in the room… or to have them all… the… Read more »
unclebuck7
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Ridiculous Brendan. Read the books you spout about and then rewrite what you just wrote.

Brendan
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Why? The government isn’t allowed to give preference to any religious belief.
So the government should promote no religion or all religions.
How does reading all religious books change that point?

Joeglocken Rightjustice
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Joeglocken Rightjustice

Thankyou for answering the question.