The message I’d send re: MH 17 is no one kills Americans without consequences. How ’bout you, Mr. President?

This morning I awoke to a quiet house. Angela and Aubrey are in San Antonio visiting Angela’s parents. Austen is at Southeastern University in Lakeland Florida for Christ in Youth (CIY) camp. I did my normal morning PT routine: 4 mile run, pushups, crunches, and hit the pool. It seemed to be just another day and I worked on my presentation for the Western Conservative Summit this weekend in Denver. Then all of a sudden at approximately 11am, the day took a turn — for the worse.

I heard the news about the Malaysian Airlines flight 17 crash and immediately the ol’ commander instincts kicked in. I began to piece together all the recent occurrences I’ve been following through foreign policy, national security, and open intelligence sites, plus current reports and updates on news.

Here is my assessment.

Any thoughts about the Ukrainian government being culpable in the shoot down of MH 17 make no sense. The flight had pretty much transited across Ukraine. That means it had checked into Ukrainian airspace, had been cleared, and was being tracked along the route.

Furthermore, what would Ukraine have to gain if they launched a missile against a civilian aircraft? With all the satellite traffic looking in that area it could be easily determined the launch point and trajectory of a surface to air missile. The last thing Ukraine would want is to lose the moral high ground against Russia and its invasion of their sovereign state. Furthermore, there has been no missile launch activity by the Ukraine government. This is a non-starter.

The other possibility would be an onboard terrorist attack, bomb within the cargo hold or some type of personal explosive device. From the photos flooding the news and reports that doesn’t seem feasible either, because there was no high level explosion and fireball. It appears the aircraft was disabled and the resulting fate was a hard crash landing and a fire ensuring from that.

Further, there are accounts of bodies somewhat intact and even still belted in to their seats. Finally, with such a tragic globally witnessed event, there has been no terrorist organization claiming responsibility – I can tell you from experience after our family traveled to Amsterdam last summer that security there has certainly tightened since the incident of the “underwear bomber.” Terror attack is a non-starter.

The Russian separatists have been firing on Ukrainian military aircraft for quite sometime. Their most successful shoot down of a Ukrainian military transport aircraft resulted in 49 deaths.

Just this past week they shot down another transport aircraft as well as “painted” (meaning radar engaged) two Ukrainian Su-25 jet fighters. A report by Jennifer Griffith of Fox News confirmed that as of 29 June the separatists did capture a Ukraine military installation where the SAM (Surface to Air Missile) system, SA-11 or SA-17 was stationed.

And U.S. military intelligence has confirmed it was a surface to air missile system that struck the MH 17, with the location of the firing reduced to just east, or just west of the Ukraine-Russian border. We also know that two Russian separatist leaders today claimed they shot down an Antonov-26 transport plane — those Facebook posts have been deleted.

We all know Russia has massed forces along the border and is supplying the separatists with weapons support, and potentially training on key weapons systems. These separatists have brought down three Ukrainian planes in the past four days.

Whether it was separatists or Russia’s military itself who committed this heinous act is of no consequence. Reports are that the manifest has 23 American passport owners.

The separatists have cordoned off the crash site and are not allowing the government of Ukraine access to the site. One can only surmise that the site is being contaminated and evidence is being disturbed. The flight data and voice recorders, black boxes, will not be turned over to Kiev but rather to Moscow — so we shall never be able to properly investigate and know the truth. What we can do is piece together the intelligence.

So, what happens now? We should demand access to the crash site immediately. As a matter of fact we should have had a team in the air within an hour after the incident. We should demand the black boxes be turned over to either Ukraine, The Netherlands, United States, or Malaysia, now.

Vladimir Putin is a former KGB colonel and all he understands is committed resolve and strength — not “red lines.” Standing up to a dictator and a tyrant is not being hawkish, it is about being a leader and conveying a message that “no one kills Americans without consequences.”

This isn’t business as usual and time to run off to fundraisers. The optics do not look good. Putin has already put out his propaganda message that Ukraine was trying to shoot down his aircraft — a lie — but for low to no information Russians, it serves as a nationalistic rallying cry.

I am now watching a full-out ground assault by the Israeli Defense force into Gaza. Prime Minister Netanyahu is showing there is only one way to contend with those who want you dead. I fully support Israel’s actions.

The day started one way, and there is certainly no tranquility in the global community — let alone the mounting crisis we have here in America with our border, illegal immigration infiltration, a failing economy, and various governmental scandals. We must not fall prey to Obama-Attention Deficit Disorder (O-ADD).

The question we must ponder is simply, “how does it all end?” Do we have the resolve?

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4MeNoRinos
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we can usually count on Barry to say and do the wrong thing, he won’t disappoint..

Jim Robertson
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This also proves, without strong leadership from the American administration the world will fall to the lowest denominator. Right now we are not respected in this world and we have NO foreign policy!

DoctorFeelgoodMD
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We are hated because of Bush and his wars. Murdering thousands of innocent people while Halliburton rakes in millions. The bonus Cheney got from Halliburton for the NO BID contracts was in the tens of millions. You know nothing because you do not travel the world like some of us.

William Reichold
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Don`t feed the Troll`s!

Bert
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Why do you say troll when someone offers an argument. That’s like saying racist. It only means you can’t defend your position. These forums would be useless and boring without debate.

VeeDub57
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Prove “thousands of innocent people” have been killed! Thousands of pagan muslim terrorists have but prove the number of “innocents. A blog is not proof!

Also please explain why democrats voted for ” Bush’s ” war, and why they funded it every year after they took control of both Houses of CONgress in 2007

ZiggyStardust
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Go away troll, Cheney was long separated from Haliburton and was forced to liquidate his stock holdings before taking office. Just one fact for you, the “no bid” contracts of which you speak…can you name two other companies in the world other than the ones below that do the kind of work needed, Halliburton is one, Bechtel is another, and was not interested in bidding (do some research and look it up). You are a talking points magpie that belongs back under your bridge or back downstairs in mommy’s basement.

Jim Robertson
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Hey Dr. Dumbass, I was an airline Pilot for 25 years. So, yeah I’ve traveled a little. It’s ok, you can pull your foot out of your mouth now.

VeeDub57
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I traveled all over Southwest Asia sending pagans home to their false “god”!

Andy Martin
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Obama’s too busy suckin’ beers and playing pool at a BBQ while we have 23 dead Americans in the Ukraine.

Bert
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Actually it would much better for the nation if Obama stays on vacation or on the golf course. Everything he’s done on the job has been harmful.

Andy Martin
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Except his underlings are scat stupid too. He is surrounded by azz lickers and footman who Obama schlepped along with him from Chicago. We’re screwed either way.

DoctorFeelgoodMD
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Typical Republican that acts before the facts are in……your uneducated comments are proof you are a danger to all. Heaven help us all.

Andy Martin
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Typical suck-arse leftard. Deflects and runs from the fact that everything I said is true. He kept his fund raising schedule instead of heading back the the WH. True or not? It came out at noon Delaware time that the manifest showed 23 Americans were on that flight. Look it up left-nut. Now disprove my facts.

guest
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Well, the facts have seem to disprove themselves. Looks like ONLY 1 dual citizenship American was on that plane. So in reality, nothing you’ve said has been true, right?

Andy Martin
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According to who? The lying administration?

Bert
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Saying “typical republican” is uneducated. It’s a pointless generalization with no substance.

VeeDub57
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Where are YOUR “facts” doc. You spout off with decades old hyperbole and don’t offer up one verifiable source to prove ANYTHING!

NOBODY here believes ANYTHING you post…. Probably not even you!

Debbie Broker Harvey
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I sure wish you were running our country Mr. West!!!!!

DoctorFeelgoodMD
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Most Republican hate blacks so tell your followers to get their act together first.

Allen
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LOL your ridiculous!

guest
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*you’re or you are.

William Reichold
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Doctorfeelgood = ignorant Troll. Yep, Republicans are Black hating Jewish loving Bible thumping war mongors…..sounds like you are repeating what all the other simpleton Liberal`s say. Can any of you really think for yourselves? And talk about hate, its all I see coming out of your Lib mouth`s…..Why are you all so darn angry and hypocritical? You really are about a very many things..Do you ever really listen to yourselves?

Greg
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It is true, republicans are overall very racist using religion as a shield.

Allen
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LOL, Nice name change to defend yourself!

judy
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Not true.

VeeDub57
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OK ‘doc’, what is your factual reference to prove any of your delusional hyperbole?

Let’s start with documented surveys, statistics, or sane reports that indicate even a majority of Republicans hate blacks. Let alone your drivel stating “most” do?

Try to stick to facts even though we know hard that can be for your ilk!

Allen
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LOL, still waiting for Dr. Doolittles response!

Emmett Westbrook
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Really Doc? Been feeling racist lately? Quit drinking the Kool Aid ya moron. Just repeating this foolishness over and over still won’t make it true.

Estella Bunny Howe
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A very good analyst. But, we need to be very careful about “pointing fingers”. Putin is not so stupid that he wants a WWIII but I am not so sure about other “underlying factions”, including Muslims. I don’t know if we will get all the answers; but a rush to judgement and retaliation is not the answer on this one. We need to get our “nose” out of the Ukraine and let the Ukraine/EU/Russia system solve THEIR issue. This is not our fight. And, right now obama needs a serious distraction so that we can all focus on anything but… Read more »
Allen
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You hit the nail on the head about O’blamer wanting a serious distraction to take the heat off of him!

Estella Bunny Howe
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Thank you. It’s nice once in awhile to know someone else agrees with me. Trust me, I don’t have “two heads” and I take time and thought before posting. I’m 70 years old and think that I have had a lot of experience in life and have been able to “pick the pepper out of the fly$hit” with pretty good accuracy. Again, thank you.

DoctorFeelgoodMD
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Republicans will claim the Senate……after Bush, you’ll never see another idiot like Bush in Washington again! Besides, this is a Republican hate site that has brainwashed all the little Republicans in thinking they mean something. You are being used by your puppet masters kido. Who benefited from Bush’s wars?
Republican war profiteers, that is who……how uneducated you people truly are. Keep your hate away from the rest of us because we will not vote in another Bush ever again.

William Reichold
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Yeah, just vote in anothe Obama..nice job! Freaking idiots.You Liberal`s are sooo entertaining, you never see the irony in any of your ignorant comments, because well….you`re ignorant.

Greg
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Well I’ll be voting twice for future United States President Hillary R Clinton

Matthew
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In all honesty, with the E Ukrainian Militias kicking Kievs ass at the moment, a False Flag like this downed plane would make perfect sense to get EU/US involved militarily. making it to the November mid-terms is a pipe dream. We will see one of the following occur well before November: 1) Total Economic Collapse – QE is the only thing propping up the Stock Market 2) Pandemic from diseases crossing the Southern Border 3) False Flag attack on US soil – Larger then 9/11 in scope and degree any or all of the above will give Obama what he… Read more »
Greg
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Are you crazy sir? President Obama has no reason to declare martial law! Get a life, take you medication. Not sure what the end all will be, WWIII is possible at this point but no martial law.

Matthew
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Nice name change DrFeelGoodMD.. now put down the crack pipe and open your eyes to reality.

Peter Charles Miller
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Obama didn’t care about 4 dead Americans. Why would he care about 23?

guest
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Cuz it wasn’t 23 dead.

Greg
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Exactly what should have our President have done? I’m waiting.

Msscarlettt
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It makes me ill to know we are being “lead” and I do use that term loosely, by a man who hates our country and could care less about it’s destruction. As a matter of fact he prides himself on being a one man wrecking ball to our constitution and economic system. All the while there is someone like you who is totally aware of what is going on, has the experience to truly lead us, and the love of country and your fellow citizens to stay the course. Obama MUST be impeached and taken out of office NOW! Where… Read more »
Allen
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Surprised the trolls haven’t trolled you for smashing O’blamer?

Jeff Hensley
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Col. West I respect you but couldn’t disagree more!!! The Ukrainian government has no high ground to stand on. Do you have any clue as to what is occurring on the ground there? The current Ukrainian government is a fascist organization who is killing any opposition has stated openly they will kill all ethnic Russians and Russian Jews. Do you know the history of Stephan Bandera and the BAP? The atrocities committed by the present Ukrainian government and their lineage? They have a lot to gain from this, in June they stated any aircraft in that area would be shot… Read more »
Leonidas
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Just now Putin was communicating with Obama on sanctions against Russian businesses over Ukraine. And now this happened. It might help a lot to know what Putin really wants. If Putin doesn’t want more sanctions (which makes sense) then the last thing he needs is a renewed crisis over a downed civilian airplane. Conversely, if somebody wants to destroy Putin’s chances at reconciliation, taking down the plane and blaming the Russians/rebels for it would be the perfect recipe.

snespsue
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Colonel West: I would like to get your take on the fact that BHO and Putin were speaking on the phone this am and Putin told BHO about the downed Malaysian jet. Coincidence or not? I find it highly suspicious and would like to hear if you think there’s any signifence in the timing of the call. Thank you.

Allen
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Definitely stinks for sure! Mr. Putin please get media off my back! Asks O’blamer!

VanCoerte
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Talk about propaganda messages … you’re lousy with them. Shame on you.

Denny Young
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It’s all propaganda. B.S. we have Americans on board. Off to a fund raising event we must go…We know what is important and that is American lives…If you think it’s all propaganda I suggest you change your Kool Aid.

Rafael X
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I started reading the article thinking hey this makes sense. Great analysis from the Colonel he obviously knows what he is talking about. But then it had to devolve in the usual anti-Obama rant.

Allen
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Rafael, your a fool! Ever heard the term “Never let a good crisis go to waste?” The MSM is going to eat this up run it 24/7 to get eyes off of O’blamer’s scandals!

James
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If you don’t like the media following this story, then don’t read articles on it!

Rafael X
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The “MSM” would have run it 24/7 no matter who was President. It’s their business that’s what they do.

William Reichold
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Guess you get angry when thay talk badly about Allah…oops I mean Obama.

Rafael X
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Guess you have perfect insight into what makes me angry.

Rafael X
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These things going on in the at our borders, in Iraq, Ukraine. In our inner-cities. All the people dependant on welfare. Chronic deficits, crime, black people, white people, gays, lesbians. Muslims, Protestants, Catholics, Women birth control, abortion. Voter fraud or executive power. None of that is going away or is going to disapear when Obama is out of power. So why does a site called Allen B West freaking dot com spends so much energy on Obama.

Smoltzfan
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He spends so much time on obama because he’s the worst thing that ever happened to America

justpeachy
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The truth sucks doesn’t it. Wah, wah, wah!!!

Rafael X
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Truth about what?

SorryForBeingWhite
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You don’t have to be here if you don’t like hearing about Obama!

Rafael X
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I’m here because I want to hear about Allen West.

TheDudeAbides
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What Evs!

Warrior7Princess
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I think you are here because you are an agitating troll.

Matthew
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so, we can track a missile.. but not the missing Malaysia flight still unaccounted for.. wake up people. I smell a False Flag.

Matt Rude
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Everything you said makes sense, however, the Ukraine could have waited for the plane to get close enough to pro-Russian forces before they shot it down, in order to have plausible deniability. That could possibly instigate the west to become involved in regaining Crimean territory for the Ukraine as the plane had departed from the heart of Western Europe. Just food for thought… I guess the details will emerge in time.

Tom Davis
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We all know with Obama there are no “consequences”. He’ll blame it on Bush or the Republicans or the war on women or some other simple-minded blather and our Keeping up with the Kardishians attention span will move on to the next 30 second sound-bite on MSNBC.

Obama is No Reagan. He’s no better than that dishrag, milquetoast, apologist peanut farmer Carter. And even THAT is an overly generous comparison.

“Looks like a terrible tragedy” – Really? You think, there brain-trust? How about you just shut your hole and go play some golf or something. Leave grownups to deal with this.

Zado
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Until obama came along Jimmy Carter was the worst President that I can remember. At least Carter was intelligent and sincere in his beliefs and because of his upbringing was not a lying ,cheating ,deceitful person . Obama on the other hand is a habitual liar who thinks there is nothing wrong with lying and cheating and deceiving the people who he is supposed to represent ,he was raised without morals or values and it shows itself everyday.

Debbie
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Oh, don’t worry; he gave a 38 sec sound bite, and headed straight off to another fund-raiser.

withavengeance
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More like a golf game…..

Jimmy Kinkade
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Proverbs 18:9 “whoever is slack in his work is brother to him who destroys.”

Obama is slack in his job as executive. Putin is actively destroying. They are brothers because the net effect is death.

Greg
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Oh here we go, sling that religion you idiot!

Smoltzfan
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What’s wrong with slinging religion when you sling insults?

Debbie
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Are you saying it’s not apropos? Think about it for a minute instead of just attacking because it’s ‘religious’ – that only makes you sound ignorant.

William Reichold
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This is not the first time Russia has done this, I remember them doing the same exact thing back during the cold war.

Alan Lockwood
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Im afraid this ship sailed after Benghazi- obama does not care how many Americans died- he was laughing all day anyway- if this plane had been full of muslims he would have airstrikes beginning already

Linda
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Still believing the Benghazi lies, eh Alan?

Alan Lockwood
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What lies ? Did I imagine that 4 men died?

Linda
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Of course not — you’re just firmly set in your incorrect belief that the Obama administration had something to do with their deaths. Get over it.

Warrior7Princess
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Did you believe the video story? Surely you jest.

Linda
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The Benghazi conspiracy theories have been put to rest several times. The fact that you people will not believe there was no wrongdoing by anyone in the Obama administration shows at the very least incompetence and ignorance on your part.

William Reichold
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Putin is a known thug, Obama is a Rug, always lying down on the Job.Way to go fund raise like the good little Community organizer he always was and always will be…Those Liberal`s who self proclaim themselves to be intelligent, voted for a Community organizer….haha, some things you just can`t make up, it really did happen….twice! How can you take anything they ever say serious after that?

Warrior7Princess
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obama also lies like a rug. (figuratively speaking) he lies down on the job when it comes to protecting our country. But when it comes to destroying our country, he acts like he is on steroids.

Earl Lee
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And exactly what does Obama have to do with this?

Linda
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Don’t you know, Earl? Obama is always to blame for every bad thing that happens, not only in the US but in the WORLD. Because he was at a fundraiser this plane crash is his fault! /said with sarcasm…

Warrior7Princess
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If you think obama is perfect, then you are certainly out numbered by the majority who thinks he is the worse president ever.

Linda
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Wow, where did I say I thought he was perfect? Typical neocons. You all just cannot get over that your party has been rejected soundly. Obama, the worst president? Only according to websites such as this. Ask yourself this: Why have NONE of the dire predictions from the TP and far right come to pass? Why do you think there have been no serious impeachment inquiries? Because those in power on the right know there is no basis for any of this, it’s all trash talk. So get over yourself.

Earl Lee
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I guess when russia shot down the korean jet in the 80’s that was obama’s fault also? You people are just stupid!

Warrior7Princess
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And you think you are intelligent…. after that comment???

Linda
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The problem, Warrior, is that Earl seems to be using sarcasm. Also, there have been polls taken that show there are those on the right who blame the Katrina debacle on Obama.

Smoltzfan
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Stupid is believing obama is going to do anything for America. He is too busy worshipping at the the feet of the rich who can pay $32 thousand dollars to see him & get a photo.

krell51
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I guess we know who the resident paid Obama troll is.

ykcin100ahman
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rerun President Reagan’s 15 minute speech about the Korean jet that Russia shot down

Rafael X
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What he said made sense on how the plane might have gone down. He was showing some game, until the last three paragraphs. Obama.

Warrior7Princess
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The majority of the people think obama is the worse president we have ever had. obama is generally disconnected and generates one lie after another. As a result of this, we can not depend on him for leadership. I am sure there are millions of people who talk about obama every day. I know I do. You have no room to talk about West singling out obama. You come to this site and single out West. You need to put on your thinking cap.

Rafael X
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What majority of people? Where? You guys are hilarious with that “worst president ever” meme. Conservatives are doing their best to make people forget they unleashed GWB upon the American people. Same Bush that is so toxic now the last two Republican nominee for president did not want him to show up at their convention. Do you really think Obama won’t be a the next democratic convention? You guys believe your own lies it’s comic.

Warrior7Princess
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My admiration for you has crashed. I had been admiring you for not lumping 100% of the people in one category (in one of your recent comments.) I thought maybe you had corrected your behavior. Evidently you know little about conservatives. Conservatives are cleaning up corruption among Republicans. Is there anything democrats are doing to clean up corruption? True conservatives don’t back corruption and this is inclusive of obama, gwb, thad cochran, eric holder, harry reid, and the list goes on. Your statement about Conservatives doing their best about making people forget about gwb… contains no truth. I am conservative… Read more »
Allen
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“We must not fall prey to Obama-Attention Deficit Disorder (O-ADD)” Exactly Mr. West, despite this big tragedy. We must hold O’blamer’s feet to fire on the border, illegal immigration infiltration, a failing economy, and various governmental scandals!

Geoffrey Wallace
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Were any Americans actually on the plane?

Geoffrey Wallace
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Andy, your whole list of sources quote Fox News. Every one the same source. When Rupert Murdoch took News Ltd into the US he told his Australian shareholders that his marketing strategy was to produce news that would appeal to dumb white men. He is a very astute business man.

Geoffrey Wallace
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Some of you guys seem to think that it is the world vs america. You are just one country amongst many. You should unite as one country and be shocked and sympathetic with those countries who actually did lose innocent citizens instead of hating each other on the grounds of political preference.

Jay Star
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I think all loss of life on that plane is a tragedy! Are we looking for an excuse to wage war or are we grieving for all loss of life? Sounds like if no Americans were aboard, everyone is saying oh well, so what? Sad indeed.

shirokuma
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Jay Star I think his point might have been directed at what the articles author wrote about handing the Black Boxes over to US…

mikek44224
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One. Dual citizen of US and Netherlands.

Andy Martin
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23 of them.

Brooke
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Are you sure? Maybe you had better research that and verify it. The State Department has no such information and the actual flight manifest reported by Malaysia states that while there are some people whose nationalities are not listed on their manifest, they have no information of any Americans on the manifest. Better check your source’s integrity.

Andy Martin
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So the state dept. and the airlines cannot confirm yet does not deny. Now what do you have that refutes what I have?

Andy Martin
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News for 23 americans flight 17 fox Malaysia Airlines crash: Ukraine, Russia point fingers after … Fox News ‎- 1 day ago The flight manifest reportedly included the names of 23 Americans, though … “The United States is shocked by the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, and … Meanwhile, a U.S. intelligence source told Fox News that the … 23 US Citizens Reportedly Dead In Malaysia Airlines Crash Business Insider‎ – 23 hours ago More news for 23 americans flight 17 fox Video shows Malaysia Airlines plane shot down; 23 … fox13now.com/…/17/cnn-malaysia-airlines-flight-has-crashed-in-u… KSTU 22 hours ago – Video shows… Read more »
shirokuma
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BREAKING NEWS!
One Dutch person with double citizenship among the passengers is the only one who qualifies as “US-American.”
Source: Wikipedia.

Andy Martin
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Wiki=Politifact.

Alex Fishface
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compare to Reagan’s response to the Korean flight 007 incident.

Bert
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To me it fits best as a Lucitania senario. If the rebels have already been shooting down aircraft in that location, why the hell would a commercial flight go anywhere near that airspace? Mr West has enough common sense to have already concluded that. I’m dissapointed in him now. He’s playing the political game knowing that’s the only way to win faver with the GOP establishment. Same withe the Israel comment. you just can’t dis the Zionists and expect to win elections in America as a conservative.

MotherBatherick
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“This tragedy would not have happened if there was peace on this land, if the military actions had not been renewed in Southeast Ukraine”
-Russian President, Vladimir Putin

While obama just sits on his hands, sounds like Putin made good on a threat.

The Man
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The only good news out of this is that the majority on board were whites, and the only good white is a dead one.

Bert
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I guess Obama would be half good if the white half where dead. Right?

Greg
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Resolve? Leadership? Obama? HAHAHAHA

Jay Star
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Not in the same sentence, thats for sure!

Harry West
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Ah yes Mr. West, gotta love your NeoCon rhetoric! Your pal Cheney needs some company hiding from his war crimes in Wyoming. Violence begets violence! Stop being a warmonger !

JudyinNC
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More left wing rhetoric about hiding for ‘war crimes’. It never ends with you guys does it?

Smoltzfan
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Don’t you have any respect for people who stand up against terrorist or just respect someone like obama? Defending our country isn’t being a warmonger. Wake up

shirokuma
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Then please go defend your country (I’m guessing US) in Eastern Ukraine. The world will be better for it.

Brooke
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How are we defending our country? Can you name the Americans who died on the plane? So far there is no confirmation that any Americans died, and Malaysian Airlines is now saying only four individuals nationalities are not know.

Brooke
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Do you have any direct evidence that any Americans were on the plane? So far there is no confirmation of that.

Gary
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Question one. Whether or not there were Americans on that plane (there were, 23 to be exact), why would that be the prerequisite to act? There were 298 people murdered yesterday by international terrorists. Question two. What, exactly, would you, Mr. West, do if you were president? Not in general terms like “we must respond,” but in exactly what action you would take. To those who say “violence begets violence,” or responding militarily constitutes being a “warmonger,” I ask question three. Where do you draw the line? How much does it take for you to fight back? If a sovereign… Read more »
shirokuma
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Question one: So you’re defining East Ukrainian separatists as “international terrorists”? Please explain. Question two: In what kind of delusion do you live to think, that Russia would go shelling San Francisco? Question three: When exactly did Russia pull a knife at YOU in this conflict? When it interfered with US plans to get Ukraine into the western zone of influence to get profitable contracts and fracking rights there? Maybe YOU put a knife on them? Question four: In a world full of who believe that they have the right to do what they want to whomever they want ,… Read more »
DustyFae
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I would hope he would get solid proof before acting .. And l hope he would do whatever it takes to protect his own love ones and the American people.. And get more advice from good Military people.. have a level cooling down time to think brain before acting out anything.. all l know is this is a mess that we are facing.. and l hurt for the love ones of all the victims who died..

mikek44224
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No, there was one American on the flight, not 23. No one checked in for the flight with an American passport. The one US citizen is a dual citizen of the US and the Netherlands.

Brooke
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The report of 23 Americans on the plane is now debunked. Please update your information.

JB England
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What would you do if you had the officer who controlled the missile unit. I think he should be awarded the Legion of Merit. This is what happened to the captain of the USS Vincennes when he murdered 290 Iranian pilgrims. G.H.W Bush said “I will never apologise for America. I don’t care what the facts are. I am not an Apologise for America kind of guy”
People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones
JB England

Calvinius
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And remember, this was the “smart” Bush, at least relative to his son.

DustyFae
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l do not think no one should get a award or reward for killing.. This is stupid of any president to do.. l do not care if the president was loved or not.. this is wrong…

JB England
Guest

I quite agree but, if you are American, he was your president not mine.

DustyFae
Guest

yes, darn some of them… but Americans should nit be held accountable for what our corrupt government does…

Warrior7Princess
Guest

You support giving awards for killing people?

James
Guest
Mr. West, again you prove that you will place rhetoric over reason: we should “demand” access? That is nothing more than the proverbial “red line”. What if they simply refuse us access? Unless we are prepared – as a nation – to exert military force – costing us billions of dollars and thousands more American lives, our demands will be empty. Russia is a lot more powerful than Iraq. Don’t urge threats that we are not prepared, as a nation, to follow through on. We should have had a team in the air an hour after the crash? We did… Read more »
DustyFae
Guest

I think none should jump to conclusion yet, but all Nations should have investigate this, but did the terrorist of one group or another stopping this.? sounds depressing, we may never know the real truth…

Linda
Guest

Exactly — bluster.

aemoreira81
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This is also something where the USA cannot go it alone, because it will involve Russia. Right now, the best strategy is to see what Russia does vis a vis these separatists and the investigation into the crash should investigators not find the black box at the site (which is the property of Malaysia, as that plane was on the Malaysian registry). An ultimatum can be issued on that, but not until the response is ready if ignored, as any response with teeth is going to have to be multinational. One thing to keep in mind is that most Russian… Read more »
Calvinius
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So, what happens now? We should demand access to the crash site immediately. As a matter of fact we should have had a team in the air within an hour after the incident. We should demand the black boxes be turned over to either Ukraine, The Netherlands, United States, or Malaysia, now. What purpose would any of that serve? We already know what happened, so there’s really nothing to investigate. The black boxes are fairly irrelevant when the jet was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. I am now watching a full-out ground assault by the Israeli Defense force into… Read more »
Warrior7Princess
Guest

Surely you don’t think they should do nothing after the murders of their youth and warring actions against them. You must have missed the part about how Israel tried to reason with them and gave them every chance to work out a peaceful soltion. There is nothing idiotic about Netanyahu standing up for his people. The Israelies and much of America are supporting and admiring Netanyahu. Likewise there is respect when we stand up for our people. Notice how Americans stand up for our Benghazi murder victims. This is something ingrained in humanity.

Calvinius
Guest

Netanyahu isn’t “standing up for his people.” He’s just out to kill Arabs, without any regard for whether they had anything to do with the murders of those three teens.

DustyFae
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Wasn’t the bombing going on before the teens were kidnapped ? Did Palestinians take credit for they being the ones to have killed the teens…Sure, didn’t Israel catch the Jews who killed the Palestinians kid ? would you not fire back on someone if they shoot 100s of rockets at you day and night… The war has always been against Israel… Have been for centuries.. Arabians , Islamic Muslims have been killing Jews and Christians a long time… there is a breaking point for us all… Israel even send out warnings before each action they take, even to the fact… Read more »
Calvinius
Guest

Wasn’t the bombing going on before the teens were kidnapped ? Did Palestinians take credit for they being the ones to have killed the teens

No, on both counts.

DustyFae
Guest
You are mistaken.. the news been reporting the bombing on Israel for a year or longer.. Yes, they did admit to the kidnapping, either you are misleading people and lying for the evil of the Palestinians terrorists for misleading people more against Israel or you are just wanting to be a troll. I stand with Israel.. too much proof on Israel side and what they are doing is within the Laws .. And too much proof that say Hamas is the problem and are stealing what is not theirs… Israel own that land legally… And Obama has no rights to… Read more »
Calvinius
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Israel has absolutely no claim to the land of the Gaza Strip. And nobody has admitted to or claimed responsibility for the kidnapping and murder of those three Israeli teens. A crime which, I remind you, occurred on the opposite side of Israel from Gaza.

dhd123
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“Netanyahu’s idiotic example”, really? Israel has bent over backwards for the Pals. They wanted Israel out of their territory, Israel left, they wanted their terrorists released, Israel released a bunch of them. What does Israel get….Rockets fired at them. Israel is willing to recognize a Palestinian state but the Pals won’t recognize Israel’s right to exist. If my neighbor was firing rockets at my house you can bet that I am going to do everything in my power to stop it. I fully support Israel!

shirokuma
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Israel left?? Where? Oh you mean the Israeli settlers who took down their own houses and went back? Except that they didn’t? You mean those folks who just came by and settled their asses on Palestinian territory? Yes, they surely bent backwards to assure Palestinians their own state… where do you get your news from, sites like this??

If your neighbour would fire rockets at you, then you would go kill over 200 civilians? You would kill 4 kids playing on a beach? If you would, then I despise you. Then you belong in a court, as does Netanyahu.

dhd123
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I’m talking about the IDF, they were the ones who left. “If your neighbor would fire rockets at you, then you would go kill over 200 civilians? You would kill 4 kids playing on a beach? ” You ever heard of unfortunate collateral damage. Israel has shown great restraint, even aborted bombing runs because of civilians in the area. The Hamas cowards hide behind civilians and this has been their tactic for years. If it were me, I would round the whole bunch and kick them out. Palestine is what the Romans called the area when they occupied it, it… Read more »
shirokuma
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Sure, after the deed was done and settlements built on Pali land, IDF can withdraw and wait outside to strike when “provoked”. Unfortunate collateral damage? Wow, so unfortunate that Israel accidentally hit, like, probably everything? in Gaza from family homes to hospitals. 500 civilians in a few days? Israel knows there are civilians and they’re still shooting! And what’s your excuse? “Oh, but they’re human shields, so we’re allowed to kill them!” Like that? Yes, you would round the bunch up and kick them out after planting your ass onto their land with British and US help. Of course the… Read more »
dhd123
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The answer is very simple…QUIT FIRING ROCKETS AT ISRAEL. I have no problem with anyone unless they are trying to kill me, then all bets are off.

shirokuma
Guest

I’ll disregard the capslock, so just to clarify: If you stole someones house and they then threw rocks at you, you would go bash in the skulls of their children? Because “all bets are off”?
Does Medicare cover psychiatrists? Or maybe irrational violence is regarded as good taste in the US of A?

Alan Lockwood
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Rocks ???? You idiot- Israel has been hit by rockets for years- why dont you complain about those who hide behind children?

dhd123
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First, one would have to agree that something was stolen,which it was not.
Second, the ones responsible for the attacks are the ones that need their skulls bashed in.
Third, Hamas is a bunch of cowards that hide behind women and children so it is their responsibility for any women and children killed.
Everyone that is civilized knows the truth and support for Hamas is dwindling.

shirokuma
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First, tell me more about how the Jews have more right to the land than the Arabs. Are you going to cite the Bible? Second, exactly. Why again are you ok with bashing in their children’s skulls? Third, ah, apparently you’re ok with it because it’s not your responsibility. You pull the trigger and at the same time you don’t want to be accountable for deaths? Then I probably won’t have to fear any consequences if I shot your kids on their way from school, because, hey, it was your responsibility to protect them? Logic is not your strong point.… Read more »
dhd123
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How many of Hamas would not blink an eye when bashing in the skulls of Jewish children? The IDF has dropped leaflets telling the Pal’s to leave because if not, they.will die with Hamas, if they chose to stay, then that’s on them. “anding beside the F16s they have been flying for 10 straight days, two Israeli Air Force pilots told NBC News that they feel terrible when innocent people are killed in Gaza. But, one said, “it’s part of the job we do.” The Gaza death toll reached 231 people on Thursday amid a bombardment that has involved a… Read more »
shirokuma
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I don’t know how many Hamas would kill Jewish children. And neither do you. All I know is that Israel is doing it. A country which is still not facing sanctions of any kind for killing civilians. Also, I know that apparently you would not hesitate either, Makes you no better than Hamas or Israel. As for your suggestion the Palestinians in Gaza should go out of the way. Gaza Strip=360 km², 1,8 Mil people. The population is 5046 (five thousand forty-six!) people/km² (!!!) Shooting fish in a barrel. Good job, Israel. The article is interesting in its wording. 1300… Read more »
DustyFae
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Turkey and Egypt use to belong to the Jewish and Israel people… and the kids on the beach were shields to protect the tunnel , sadly innocent ones are always killed in all wars… By the people who want to take things away from other countries and people, like land and resources…Didn’t Israel ‘s Doctors just do a operation on a high official of the Arabian man , let her recover and send her back safely to that country ? And operate on a little Arabian muslim girl with a heart problem and saved her life ? I would say… Read more »
Calvinius
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Turkey and Egypt use to belong to the Jewish and Israel people…

Where did you come up with that?

dhd123
Guest

Out of thin air. Assyrians, Greeks, Romans,Hittites were not Jewish.

James Hunter
Guest

The American people do, our president does not! We will fight!

shirokuma
Guest

Yes please go fight in Eastern Ukraine.

JB England
Guest

James
who are you going to fight and why??
JB England

Bruno Aguiar
Guest

stupid and ignorant people can be found all over the world..the ignorant Americans support the thoughts of this website

Warrior7Princess
Guest

What is wrong with you?

DustyFae
Guest

You should not visit this site if it offends you… Most Americans are looking for answers…Other people’s opinion open the door to knowledge, rather we may agree or not.. better not to say nothing unless you can prove otherwise…

shirokuma
Guest

Well, his was an opinion, don’t you agree? Written here to help “americans looking for answers” to find answers. Treat Bruno’s post as a “door to knowledge.”

You should heed your own advice, Dusty.

DustyFae
Guest
true their own opinion but calling people names should not be done…What makes this person think we all support everything posted on this site…. and l do not think all people here are stupid and ignorant …it would have been better to say they disagree or to have said nothing.. We hear enough from Obama calling all Americans small-minded, racists and terrorists.. may be next time l will wait until someone else post to a comment about people here or any other site being stupid and ignorant then agree with them.. if l had said nothimg this time someone would… Read more »
DustyFae
Guest

I stand with Israel also..

Brian_R_Allen
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…. a tragic globally witnessed event ….

Please, Colonel!

Try: An atrocious, globally-witnessed, demonstration of totalitarian evil. An atrocity.

Something along those lines.

shirokuma
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Mr West, do you really think stating “Ukraine has nothing to gain” and leave it at that qualifies as proof? What would be your assessment of a scenario of Ukraine shooting down a plane on Separatist territory? It’s totally irrelevant when you write the plane has already checked in Ukrainian airspace. If someone (eg. Ukraine’s semi-legal government) wants it down, it goes down. Of course I’m not saying the Rebels couldn’t have done it as well. I’m saying: If you start assessing stuff based on your claimed professionalism.. be aware that bias is professionalism’s enemy. Thank you, though, for letting… Read more »
aemoreira81
Guest

Since the post was made, it has turned out that no one was traveling on an American passport (although one passenger with dual citizenship was born in New Jersey—moving to the Netherlands when young). Sometimes, it does help to wait until more information is in.

shirokuma
Guest

…and at other times it helps to claim there were 23 US-American citizens on board 😉

aemoreira81
Guest

When this piece was authored on July 17, that was the information.

shirokuma
Guest

Your point being?
Don’t you want to ask yourself, why that “was the information”?

Because my point being: Cui bono?

shirokuma
Guest
James Hunter
Guest

We the people will give as much support to those that needs it… If allowed we could investigate and come up with a definitive answer as to the perpetrator.
Remember the black boxes! (orange)
When i say fight, that is a metaphor , for not giving up and makeing our voices heard for the truth.
The American people do want the truth as to this assault on a civilian aircraft!

James
Guest

“Reports are that the manifest has 23 American passport holders.”??? You got this information from, where??? Obviously not credible sources, for no credible source reported that. Or, are you doing what so many of these sites do and make stuff up as you go?

Jsmiley1980
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There’s a good lesson here for all commenters below and for anyone who reads this piece. Col. West, says the “message I’d send is no one kills Americans without consequences.” Let’s examine that claim and see if it has any meaning or merit. Since this article came out, the plane’s manifest has shown that there were not 23 Americans on board the plane as Col. West says, there was one person who had dual Dutch-American citizenship. The reports that there were 23 Americans on board were unverified when Col. West wrote this article, but he doesn’t say they were unverified.… Read more »