Obama’s speech: smells like bull in Texas

Obama’s speech in Dallas was just another opportunity for him to politicize and attack Republicans, especially House Republicans.

Houston, we have a problem, a President who takes no responsibility for anything — and you cannot count turning folks around at the border as a deportation.

Obama threw out a $3.7 billion figure without a specific policy plan of action for this current crisis — and notice how Valerie Jarrett has changed the language to be a “humanitarian situation.”

Obama wants a deliberative judicial process and is using the specter of Bush to hide behind — which will benefit LULAC and La Raza.

The only answer, the bottom line is seal the border, priority the sector in the Rio Grande Valley, and return everyone back to their country of origin.

I believe Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn stated that $8 million purchases first class tickets for everyone home.

There is only one person playing politics and using this crisis as a means to extort more taxpayer dollars — his name is Barack Hussein Obama.

And why not meet with the folks, not in Dallas, but those at the border — guess that would have upset his fundraising schedule.

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Earl Lee
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Here we go….more complaints….NO SOLUTIONS…..Until you win a NATIONAL ELECTION…please shut up!

The_Patriot
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Go play in traffic moron

KJinWTexas
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That could be a 2-way street, Einstein. I don’t see your genius solution and your brilliant self in the White House. In spite of that, I’ll defend to the death your right to say whatever obtuse statement you want to make, because so far, King Ozero hasn’t cancelled the First Amendment.
Just for the record, how many of those illegals are you willing to take in and feed and nurse back to health?

Rena
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Liberals never offer up a solution only complain and call others names when they are on the losing side of an issue

Earl Lee
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Losing side of a issue? WE WIN THE WHITE HOUSE MAN!!!

Rena
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Yeah we know how you lot won…

Peter Hancock
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Yes, all those women, Hispanics and black people, and the millennium generation.
Also, all the Kenyans.
Should be a law against those people voting!

Earl Lee
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We don’t? No…you are too busy making sure that the wealthy get more and more….you fight for them…you make sure that they get tax cut after tax cut and their income rises while yours stay the same. The republicans in the house are not trying to HIDE the fact that they want the wealthy to have more because they know YOU ARE EASILY DISTRACTED. Bill after bill after bill of deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthy. They told you that these were JOB BILLS but you never bothered to READ ONE OF THEM!!! Yes….we offer solutions to the nations… Read more »
Rena
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Well let me see, last I checked, I’m not too thrilled at all the tax breaks the rich get, but well you might want to look at some of those politicians you are so fond of as well. Have you looked to see how much money your master is getting paid now, how much he and his wife are worth. I bet you think they wont take advantage of all those pretty little tax breaks they keep complaining about. We are not easily distracted darlin’, but you lot are. Well I take the back, you lot just plain refuse to… Read more »
Earl Lee
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Also, social welfare 52 billion vs corporate welfare 92 billion…’nuff said

Rena
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Tell me something Earl, if you had a business that your brought up on your own, worked your butt off getting it up there, would you want to give all of your profit over to others who refuse to work?

Earl Lee
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Who is talking about people that don’t work…I SAID WORKING STIFFS! Once again..the distraction….you are distracted with people who u believe are living the high life from welfare while your wages are staying the same while the rich get more and more! Give more money to the WORKERS…tax breaks for the WORKERS.

Peter Hancock
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Yes, Saint Reagan had a dog whistle expression for it… WELFARE QUEENS.

Rena
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The people living off the system seem to be living a lot better than those who are middle class now. They get their food, healthcare, shelter all taken care of by people who work for a living and have to struggle to make ends meet. But you think that the rich should give up everything to bring those who want to live off the government… read what I wrote down below and see what will end up happening if we all decide to have that mentality. Why own a business and work hard all your life to live comfortable if… Read more »
Earl Lee
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Dude…I worked for the missouri division of family services as a case worker…these people are not living the high life on $234.00 per month. But yet…you say NOTHING about the fat cats. Oh its fine that he gets away with tax fraud but those damn $234.00 per month people you raise all types of hell!

Rena
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I know too many of them who are not only getting that money doing nothing, but getting food stamps, medical care, free collage education and child care, and not having to pay a cent for rent. They not only get that money but also many of them are collecting child support that doesn’t affect their benefits and grants (once they get their 2 to 5k for that term they drop out), so its MORE than just 234.00/mo but they also sell their food stamps for even more money. They go get their nails done, hair done, cell phones etc and… Read more »
Earl Lee
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Sorry rena…but I don’t care how u spin it…if they get $234.00 with 320.00 stamps….they still have utilities to pay on $234.00 per month…yep…they are LIVING LARGE!! Like I said…I WORKED as a caseworker….I’ve worked as a case manager and got hundreds off of welfare. I refuse to look down my nose at these people. They deserve a chance and not use as a distraction from the wealthy getting more and more!

Rena
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See there is a difference hun, the ones you got off they system are now working… but there are far too many who aren’t getting off the system and are using it to “live large”. Like I said, they are getting child support as well as their monthly stipend, they are getting grants for school only to drop out when they get their check, and they are selling their food stamps to buy drugs and alcohol. I know because, like I said, I counsel them. I don’t look down my nose at the ones who are really trying to make… Read more »
Earl Lee
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Yea…all of them are buying drugs with food stamps. You look for ANY reason to look down your nose at these people. Makes you sleep better at night huh?

Peter Hancock
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I have actually made a study of this… those on the second rung FEAR the most – generally. When they make it to the second rung, some of them succumb to fear not by focusing on the third rung, but by looking down in fear of those on the first rung.

THIS is (one reason) why half of low salaried people vote consistently AGAINST their own economic interests. (many of whom do indeed have [very] small businesses).

They keep looking to the .001.% to keep the people one rung down from them – there!

Rena
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Did i say all? Really Earl, I thought your comprehension was better than that. I said there are far to many NOT all of them. I see it all the time when they come into our offices. So no I’m not looking down my nose at anyone darling, I’m stating a fact at what I work with personally and see in my neighborhoods where I live. And yes I sleep very well thank you for your concern… but you shouldn’t be looking down your nose at me when I speak about what I see and you have NO idea what… Read more »
Peter Hancock
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so why the talking points meme nonsense about hair and nails?

Rena
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Probably because it is what I see first hand, every day at work and at school. I watch them in class talking about what they paid for and how they paid for it. I see when they get their school grant they drop out of school until the next term, after which they can’t return because they are on financial aid probation. I get them at my job where they are receiving only benefits but are strung out on drugs and are forced to go to rehab, on the tax payers bill… I say kudos to Earl for getting some… Read more »
Peter Hancock
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seems like you have a lot of time on your hands managing your resentment portfolio.

Peter Hancock
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Nutritional Supplement = $125.00…
Taxes paid by GE 2010 = $000000000.00.

Earl Lee
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The rich are providing us JOBS huh? NO…the CONSUMER are the ones that PROVIDE THE JOBS! Its been proven over and over again….giving more to the rich do not create jobs but GIVE MORE TO THE WORKING STIFF and that WORKING STILL creates a demand for products WHICH CREATES JOBS!!

Peter Hancock
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Trickle Down Economics = Rich Guy draws a check from his Cayman Islands bank account to pay for the $5m yacht built in Italy. Never mind, he goes to Puerto Rico each spring to get the yacht’s Yanmar diesel inboard engine serviced, and the decks polished, and the rigging and sails checked. Electronic maritime navigational equipment as well. So, for $5m, he pumps into the US economy each year: $240.00 labor for a marine engineer $ 30.00 for local cleaning personnel $120.00 for a ex-merchant marine guy to check his sails $240.00 for an electrician to check wiring for salt… Read more »
Rena
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Would there be jobs if the owner of McDonalds decided to just run it himself? Say he decided not to expand but only kept one diner open, offered no jobs but cooked and served it all himself.

Or if Sam Walton decided not to open up more stores but only kept it in Bentonville AR? People would still buy from them because they are selling a product and perhaps they wouldnt be ubber rich but it was only able to expand because he offered jobs so more product can be offered… and so on

Peter Hancock
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if Sam Walton decided not to open up more stores but only kept it in Bentonville AR, the average taxpayer would not have the fund the average Walmart employee $4000 in make up pay.

wilmalegsgroh
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you are clueless

Peter Hancock
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get a life and read something other than your own insults:

HERE….

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-13/how-mcdonald-s-and-wal-mart-became-welfare-queens.html

wilmalegsgroh
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your problem is reading this stupid propaganda. I don’t fall for it.

Peter Hancock
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OH YEAH, Bloomberg, that BASTION OF LIBERAL BIAS…. oh wait…

Earl Lee
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Would there be a owner of McDonalds if the CONSUMER did not come and buy his products?

Rena
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Well would you be able to buy it if you didnt have a job at McDonalds? or anywhere else?

Peter Hancock
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McDonald’s first store: 1968 Price of Big Mac 1968: $0.50 Minimum Wage 1968: $1.60 Number of Big Macs an employee could buy with 1 hr’s wage: 3 (with a dime left over for a peptic pill) McDonald most recent store: 2014 Price of Big Mac (national average 2014): $4.62 Minimum Wage 2014 (federal) : $7.25 (same for 5 years now) Number of Big Macs an employee could buy with 1 hr’s wage: 2/3 of a Big Mac. (no so big, I guess) AVERAGE AGE OF MCDONALD’S WORKER = 29 McDonald’s alone costs taxpayers an estimated $1.2 billion each year. So,… Read more »
Virginia Watkins
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any references to support your facts?

Peter Hancock
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plenty. The Economist Magazine for one inter alia.
(INTER ALIA … this is Latin for “among others”).

After all, it was EM who invented the (now) world famous Big Mac index to evaluate PPP (Purchasing Power Parity).

along with several items from historical records, tax foundation, library of congress, chamber of commerce, department of labor etc etc…

AND MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR MACCAS IN THE 1970s.

Rena
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Oh sweetie, McDdonalds was only used because Earl brought it up, but there are many other companies out there as well as you know. Bottom line darlin’ if there are no jobs, there is no money, no money, no consumers, no consumers, no business… They all feed off each other. What is the crime that someone who builds a business wants more to live better? They reinvest in more stores or services to create more jobs so more people are working…. So sweetheart… whats stopping you from doing what they did? Or do you not think you are good enough?…

Peter Hancock
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If you are talking to me, Rena? What presumption are you making that I have not been doing what Ray Croc did when he started a business.

“Bottom line darlin’ if there are no jobs”… Hyperbole.

FYI, there are 400,000+ vacancies in the USA for skilled workers.

But why not cut taxes??? no one in Kansas needs an education anyway! that’s what Governor Sam Breakback did in KS.

wilmalegsgroh
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who listens to someone that can’t spell?

Virginia Watkins
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Do you have any verifiable references to support your facts?

Earl Lee
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Sorry Rena…CONSUMERS drives BUSINESS!!!

Rena
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And if there weren’t any businesses?

Peter Hancock
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If there was no water, we could not swim
if we could not swim, we would all drown.

Amibovvered
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How does the CONSUMER get the money to buy the product?

Rena
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Well if you are Earl Lee, you probably get it once a month on the EBT card… he doesn’t seem to think money comes from anywhere else but the government.

Earl Lee
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If you look at my pic…you’ll see a 2 white folks that work for me…total of 5 white folks that work for me. Don’t give me this OH YOU MUST GET EBT” crap because I take a point of view that is different from YOURS! I worked all my life…I’ve served this GREAT NATION

Rena
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And race matters? LOL So, how much of that money do you want to keep and how much do you want to give away to someone who refuses to work for you? You say you have five employees (race is irrelevant in my opinion), if one of them decided he doesnt want to do his job, and just wants to sit at home and you pay him, is that ok with you? With your business, do you like keeping any of your money for yourself and family? To say, go on vacations, retire and not worry about how you are… Read more »
Peter Hancock
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Ditto. I have paid north of a million in federal taxes over 4 decades, and NEVER been on ANY kind of benefit. NONE.
Not even my education – my brothers and I paid that myself K-13, AND I paid 100% for my college.

James Brown
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The solution is obvious and it was mentioned in the article,

Rena
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Earl Lee is just like Reid… ignores the truth only to do anything he can to disrespect Col West.

Earl Lee
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Mr West does not deserve RESPECT. As a vet I know he is a disgrace to the uniform!

The_Patriot
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You were never in the service earl, stop lying to make yourself look good, it fails when your hero barry does it, you fail when you try it

Virginia Watkins
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Do you have any verifiable references to support your facts?

dustinwyatt17
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Tell me about your POG job, Earl.

Earl Lee
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I don’t know what a POG is

dustinwyatt17
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A man who does what he has to do to protect his men is not a disgrace. You are a disgrace.

Earl Lee
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Funny but he THOUGHT he was protecting his men but come to find out that it was BOGUS! There were thousands of officers in IRAQ protecting their men without violating the UCMJ! Allen west lost his cool that night. A leader is trained to LEAD! Allen west didn’t. Get the facts and stop believing MYTHS!!

Rena
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So you were there? nah, if you were there you were probably one of the ones cowering in the corner wishing you were back home with his mommy. It takes a real leader to do what he did to get to the bottom of who was attacking them. But what would you know about protecting anyone? Probably just a paper pusher anyway…

Earl Lee
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No, I wasn’t there BUT I CAN READ the official military report on the incident! Allen west even admitted himself that he was wrong

Rena
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He deserves more respect than you ever will because the way you keep attacking him I don’t doubt for one second that you would cower when the enemy comes knocking at your door. I know and have confidence that if they came here, he would be one of the first to defend us and not run like some people would….

Earl Lee
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He deserves NO RESPECT!! He didn’t stand with his men when they were charged and convicted of the actions HE WAS IN CHARGE OF! To me, that is the act of a COWARD!!!

Rena
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Like I said Earl, you are just jealous of what this man has become. That he can rise above all yours and ilk whining like little babies… The only respect you get is when you look at yourself in the mirror. Col West is a much better man than you will ever be. I feel pity for your family when it comes to having to protect them from danger… God Bless..

Earl Lee
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Jealous of what. I can tell you this…If Allen West was a democrat with this record…you people would be screaming BLOODY MURDER

Rena
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Thats where you get it wrong sweetheart… like I said so many times on here, I don’t let anyone dictate what I think or feel If he were a liberal he wouldnt have done it because they are too weak minded to stand up and fight for whats right. Secondly, I don’t care if he is conservative or liberal, independent or not any political affiliation at all, I would stand up for him for what he did to protect his troops…

gary foxley
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ROFLMAO.
EARL LEE HAS 2 followers

Peter Hancock
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and Johny B. Good (Allen B. West) has zero constituents.
Pity…. he was counter-balancing the 78-81 Communists in Congress… NOW WHAT WILL WE EVER DO?????

Earl Lee
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I do?

sbondsrn
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I’m sorry, but if they don’t reach the boarder because it is actually closed, then doesn’t it become Mexico’s problem and not ours??? The Mexican government needs to be held responsible for this crisis as well as the other counties of origin.

Rena
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I completely agree and have said a long time ago we need to secure our borders and put military on it to keep them out. And instead of arresting them, and ordering them to show up a hearing they will never show up to, ship them back over the border. All the money we are spending to spread them all over the US can be used to send them back.

Terrie Hunt
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That is the problem. Nobody seems to care that most of them don’t show up for their hearings. If they ever are caught and deported, they just come back again!

Terrie Hunt
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Thank you, Allen West, for telling it like it is. You are steadfast and loyal, and—no bull!!

MotherBatherick
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The Liberal-Progressives Low Information President was just too tempted and attended a pot party in Colorado rather than meet with the women and children he’s having caged up in Texas. Not only is that NOT humanitarian but, that’s what some people would call, Crazy Loco!

Peter Hancock
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Plus he was born in Pamana! oh wait… that was McCain.
I am going down to B&N bookstore in the morning to by former government worker Allen West’s book – “Canadian of the Republic” – it’s a non-fiction work about Tom Cruise’s half-brother, Ted Cruise, (The Megaphone of Texas)!

Earl Lee
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Low information and you are on Allen West blog? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Peter Hancock
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The “white” house named the Presidential office after Allen West.
It’s the West Wing.

Peter Hancock
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Get the hell out of the USA.
At least get the hell out of congress, you fulminating, squawking moron.

OH WAIT! Floridians already FIRED you ass…

The_Patriot
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Wow an imbecile calling some one a moron. That takes a lot of intelligence.
In true liberal fashion, you twist the truth for your personal agenda
It is well documented, that voter fraud was how he lost the election and no he was not fired, Try to keep with the facts skippy. You won’t seem so stupid of you do

Earl Lee
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
The sure fired his crybaby ass!

Rena
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You must be related to that imbecile Earl…

Peter Hancock
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Actually, John Hancock, my namesake, was indeed an ancestor.
So was the 3rd President of the United States… my Dad is named after him… Thomas Jefferson Hancock (and neither men would approve of these shenanigans)

The_Patriot
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They would not approve of a moron adopting their name

Rena
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I see, so why are you here lowering yourself to what us peons are doing?

Peter Hancock
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to talk with you, and perhaps persuade you to read my comments on economics (further down, about McDonalds)

If one stays in the bubble, one may succumb to “group think”. So, I get out and about.

wilmalegsgroh
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your pass should be up in a few hours, thank God. Go back and take your meds.

The_Patriot
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Your arrogance only betrays you. You certainly don’t win and awards for being knowledgeable or intelligent, Maybe you should quit the McDonalds job you have and go back to school

Peter Hancock
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I quit that job after a few weeks (summer job) when back to high school, went to college, got my BSc, Masters, then my doctorate (economic anthropology – I pioneered field of study), and built a professional services organization from scratch, and have consulted for businesses in 11 countries on four continents, and published several articles while doing that.
I have been able to do this by this method here, of getting to the DNA thinking of the common man, of which you are one, sir.
(all the while never waving a flag).

Ponymomto13
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All that college was wasted since you can’t proofread and correct your own posts. Lmao

wilmalegsgroh
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Now I just feel sorry for you

Andy Martin
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It figures. A self-absorbed ‘intellectual’ who has been infected with university-speak. No wonder you sound like the local loon.

The_Patriot
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As I said, Your arrogance betrays you. I would have more respect for you If you weren’t so full of yourself. “Nationalistic Fervor is no substitute for Knowledge” You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you don’t have the common sense to apply it properly, It is a waste. I would rather have a an enthusiastic fighter who is coachable by my side than an arrogant know it all, who can’t get out of his own way. You have no idea whether I am a “common man” or not, You can’t possibly assert and forensic science… Read more »
Rena
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I do not conform to any one way of thinking but prefer to look at it from all angles… I look from outside the box and see what I see. We live in a vicious cycle of need and wants, and it all revolves around the almighty dollar (or any currency). If we don’t have jobs we can’t make money to buy what we need, If we don’t have businesses we don’t have jobs, If we don’t have consumers we don’t have businesses… and it starts all over again…

MotherBatherick
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Or the imbecile Alan Grayson.

Rena
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Honestly had to look him up to know who he was.. sorry… But you got a point there…

Peter Hancock
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Yes, Alan Grayson is a trifle over-bloviated.

Andy Martin
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Oh the irony.

Peter Hancock
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Rowan and?

Andy Martin
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Hand on Cock.

Earl Lee
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Rena there are people on the opposite political isle that are true patriots. Your political beliefs is not what makes you a PATRIOT. What you do for this nation, how u serve and protect this nation, what you contribute to this nation is what makes you a PATRIOT! In other words…there are democrat and republican and tea party PATRIOTS. If you believe anything else….you should not be a citizen of this great nation!

The_Patriot
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So, what happened to you? You fail at all attempts to be a Patriot. (by your standards)
Liberals and Libertarians who voted for and still support barry are no Patriots.

Peter Hancock
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“barry”?

The_Patriot
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Okay dumbass yes, barry sortero his real name, the name his mother gave to him. He changed his name when he converted to the muslim faith. As usual so are so very smart you already know this. NOT!

Rena
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I don’t see you as a true patriot as long as you support this failure of a president and his administration that is doing all it can to destroy this once great nation… Yes I know true patriots are more than just conservative, but as you said, its what you support and what you are willing to do to keep her a great nation (including doing something that you condemn Col West for in protecting some of her most precious members by protecting them at all costs) that makes you one…

Earl Lee
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Once again….who the president is and who you support is not what makes you a PATRIOT!!!

Rena
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I said who you support as president… not who is president at the moment… if you support this administration then you are part of the problem not the solution. You are not a patriot you are keeping it in the mess it is. If you are a true patriot, you would do all you can to get this POS out of office and stop supporting him and his administration…

Earl Lee
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A patriot knows that no one man sitting in the oval office can destroy this great nation. I may agree or disagree with the policies of a president but I KNOW that that one man cannot destroy this great nation. If you believe one can…you don’t know how GREAT THIS NATION IS!!!

Andy Martin
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[[ A patriot knows that no one man sitting in the oval office can destroy this great nation ]]

He can infect weak and pliable fools like yourself though.

The_Patriot
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You could not be more wrong if you had to. The President is the most powerful office in the world let alone the U.S.
barry systematical dismantles this country everyday that he is in office and you are in denial.

Peter Hancock
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“The [Office of the] President is the most powerful office in the world let alone the U.S.” …
not many former Presidents would agree with that.

The_Patriot
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You know this how? The answer is you do not. You are no smarter than any pf the other dumbass trolls who populate Conservative sites and try to torment everyone. However you especially fail

Rena
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I know how great this nation once was and can be if we can save her before it is a total loss. It will not be with this president and I pray we can get him out before he destroys it completely. One man can destroy a great empire… look at Rome…

Peter Hancock
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so, Rena, which one man destroyed the Roman Empire?

Peter Hancock
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I never call anyone a umbilical cord.
It’s against by Knobby Hubby paid job’s religion.

MotherBatherick
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Col West, we stand united! May God bless you and your family and our Country!

Peter Hancock
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Only the Republican god though, not the Democratic god…

The_Patriot
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You can’t tell me you are really that stupid.

vocamedia
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So if refugees seek asylum the border is not secure? The very fact that these children are in custody demonstrates that it is. After all, historically asylum seekers managed to get beyond the Iron Curtain and the Berlin Wall. Is that the type of “security” we want? Our law requires that refugees get a hearing. That’s been on the books for decades. Dealing with situations like this is the true price of freedom.

Guest
Guest

I don’t believe anyone has proposed gun turrets be placed on the non-existent border wall quite yet to shoot those “asylum seekers” you so admire that lived on the wrong side of the Berlin Wall or Iron Curtain.

MotherBatherick
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Refugees? Asylum?? “Situations”??? Come on, now, surely you know you are being used to parrot the obama administration. obama hasn’t called out any of the countries in which these illegals arrive from and won’t. He can’t even get a handle on things in his hometown of Chicago.

Rena
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The majority of these illegals are NOT here as refugees they are here as illegal immigrants. One of the reasons they don’t bother to show up for these so called hearings they are supposed to be going to. Get it right

vocamedia
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I am speaking only of the children from Central America fleeing violence. And so was the president.

Ponymomto13
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Umm, . If those countries are so horrible why don’t the people change the government? Belize, Guatemala, and Mexico just agreed to make it safer and easier for those traveling to the US to travel through those countries. It’s not about asylum, it’s about getting here and getting a free pass to knowingly break our laws. What does that teach kids, both legal citizens and illegal immigrants?
It’s certainly not what my kids were taught!

vocamedia
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It appears the governments aren’t the problem, criminal activity is. I don’t pretend to know what the political obstacles to change are in central America. But wouldn’t getting your children out of harm’s way take priority over activism?

Peter Hancock
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“It’s certainly not what my kids were taught!”
Don’t blame your kids for a lack of education simply because you didn’t have one.

Ponymomto13
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I see that one again I need to set you straight. My kids are well educated. Or eldest was a straight A student. He paid his way through school with scholarships and a full time job while attending school full time. He has been with the same employer for 15 years and is well respected in the medical practices where he works. My middle soon is also gainfully employed, and our youngest is enrolled at a well respected Prep school. All of them respect and obey the laws. They give back to their communities with various community service projects and… Read more »
Peter Hancock
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good for you. Some salient facts at last.
Seems like America is not to hell in a hand basket after all.

Andy Martin
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Yet Obama says nothing about the violence and gangs of Chicago.

Peter Hancock
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if you don’t count the 20+ occasions he
actually HAS.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/15/obama-chicago-gun-violenc_n_2697781.html

Andy Martin
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Go read the article lefty. Not once does he mention gangs. Try a word search. And thank you for making my point. He was there runnin’ his infected mouth because of mass shootings by white guys.

Peter Hancock
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infected mouth? white? I believe you brought up “violence”.

Andy Martin
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Yes. I brought up violence. And Obama never brings it up with in the context Chicago’s black gangs yet has no problem when some white guy goes nuts. That leads me to believe he has an infection of some kind somewhere. I’ll go with his mouth since that where all the garbage exudes from. Now respond to the lie I called you out on.

Peter Hancock
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Except for all of his life, several articles, two books he wrote himself, and a lifetime crusade of community work at the front lines of black violence, and the social and economic resentment causes of it, public policy HUD, DOJ et cetera.

and
Never once claimed the so-called “Obama Effect” (of decreasing black crime nationwide) was because he is half black.

Andy Martin
Guest

Bullcrap! I live in Chi. He does not come here to talk about it. Give me links to what you claim. And do a better job than last time when you lied.

DisgustedinTexas04
Guest

He says nothing because Rahm Emanuel owns this situation and he doesn’t want to say anything that reflects badly on Rahm.

Andy Martin
Guest

I’ve been watching these animals shoot each other here long before Rahm came along. It’s a lib thing and a color thing.

Peter Hancock
Guest

indeed… i see ALL the republican congressweasels voting for gun control … OH WAIT…

Andy Martin
Guest

I see all the libtards bloviating how yet one more new and ineffectual gun law will fix Chicago. Tell us Cock. Which law will do that?

Peter Hancock
Guest

so you would do nothing at all – just like your do-nothing reactionary throw-us-back-to-1970 retardlickin NRA-asslicker cowardly stooges trading gun-manufacturing profits for lives just to keep on the government payroll?

One MAIN reason WHY Canada patrols the border and at border posts is to KEEP THE GUNS OUT.

Andy Martin
Guest

So you have nothing but a mouthful of vile whining and CAPS. Would you like a timeout Cock?

DisgustedinTexas04
Guest

I would not want to live in Chicago and I most definitely would not want my husband or sons to be cops there!

Rena
Guest

LOL you are a tool

Peter Hancock
Guest

tools are useful. Try one on.

vocamedia
Guest

Thank you for that thoughtful and well-reasoned response….

Rena
Guest

You are quite welcome… But if you had any common sense you would know exactly why I said that… You are being used to think that we must “care for the kids’ who come here as “refugees”, but you fail to see and why I call you a tool, is that they are just anchors to allow for more to come in and more and more… We are NOT the worlds babysitter and should not be expected to be so when we can’t even take care of the people we have here already.

vocamedia
Guest

BTW, My grandfather was an unaccompanied minor. (And he didn’t even have to claim asylum to stay!) Everyone who spends money here (or has money spent on their behalf) contributes to the economy and pays taxes, directly or indirectly. Immigration has always grown our economy. If we can’t meet our needs, it’s not because of immigrants.

wilmalegsgroh
Guest

But ILLEGAL immigrants are a drain on the economy — in any nation. You will get nowhere trying to stand on your soapbox about immigrants. It is not even part of the argument. Get a grip.

vocamedia
Guest

ANYONE, legal or not, who spends money pays some kind of tax and contributes to the economy. Sales tax, property tax as part of rent, profits to retailers, etc. Even detention centers are important employers in their local economies. Not to mention the profits from the contracts that run them. (ask ALEC)

wilmalegsgroh
Guest

So what? Your point is meaningless. Taxes paid from illegals pale in comparison to their costs. You compare an ant hill to a mountain?

vocamedia
Guest

Actually, I’m also referring to the overall economic activity, not merely the taxes. (For example, there are a few luncheonettes in my neighborhood that would be out of business without immigrants.) Please cite your source for the “costs”.

wilmalegsgroh
Guest
Not fun to discuss with you because you are so dense. Wow. Luncheonettes? Immigrants? Do you want me to tell you the story about my ancestors who fought through many struggles with poverty and sickness to build their American dream? You think your family and friends are unique? Who cares about a luncheonette owned by an immigrant??????; Is there one owned by illegals? What is that name? I and many federal investigators would be interested in hearing all about it. Because of your beloved illegals, your lunch man will quickly be out of business due to the rising costs. But,… Read more »
vocamedia
Guest

I was simply citing an example of a LEGAL business that depends on the patronage of immigrants to keep its doors open and pay its taxes. As an example of immigrant economic activity. Unfortunately, I don’t have a breakdown of how much they spend at Walmart or the supermarket. And you still haven’t disclosed your source for the supposed “costs”.

Andy Martin
Guest

Immigration is a LEGAL process. You seem unable to grasp that.

Peter Hancock
Guest

not for the people who arrived before 1956.
It was a sailing process.

vocamedia
Guest

I don’t know the dates of the changes, but all my grandfather needed was a steerage ticket. No quotas, no visas, no waiting years to get through the process.

Andy Martin
Guest

Wrong. But do keep trying.

Peter Hancock
Guest

oh yeah … forgot the Chinese Exclusion Law of 1882.

Andy Martin
Guest

And that affected you how?

Peter Hancock
Guest

Just because you personalize and internalize every law or position you do not agree with does not mean that others do.

Andy Martin
Guest

No kidding! And?

vocamedia
Guest

Not according to the dictionary:
Full Definition of IMMIGRANT
: one that immigrates: as
a : a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence

Andy Martin
Guest

http://nysj.org/s/316/images/editor_documents/content/Social%20Justice%20IssuesA%20vision%20of%20life%20firmly%20anchored%20in%20the/Immigration%20Process.pdf

The Legal Immigration Process
nysj.org/s/316/images/editor_documents/…/Immigration%20Process.pdf

Special thanks to staff of the Hispanic Apostolate/Immigration Legal Services of Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Baltimore for their help in preparing this …

Peter Hancock
Guest

why are we not the world’s baby sitters?? comes with being the world’s policemen.

Rena
Guest

I don’t believe we should be the worlds policemen either.. I believe we need to take care of our own here first and then help others if they are in need and ask for it. I don’t believe on imposing our way of life on anyone…

vocamedia
Guest

Our own first? You mean Native Americans? I imagine these kids have more native blood than you or I. (A few only speak Myan.)Or must we close the gate now that we’re in?

Commodore & Chef of the naive
Guest
Commodore & Chef of the naive

First and foremost it is unsafe for them to be riding on freight trains or walking through the desert with smugglers. Can you imagine the untold atrocities that are occurring daily? We need to close the “gateway” to illegal immigrants which consists of unmanned, non designated crossings. If they want to come here legally they need cross at a border checkpoint, otherwise they are indeed illegally here in our country. They can go to any checkpoint and ask for asylum.

vocamedia
Guest

Safety is relative. Their families obviously felt they were in more danger if they stayed. And it is not physically possible to “close the gateway”. East Germany couldn’t do it.

Commodore & Chef of the naive
Guest
Commodore & Chef of the naive

But do you understand that it is irresponsible of us to leave our border porous given all of the atrocities that are going on there? Sex trafficking, extortion, slavery are just a few of the ugly consequences encountered by those children making the trip. Then we have the other side of the fence where our fellow citizens are experiencing violent criminals, drug traffickers, etc.

vocamedia
Guest

Apparently their families thought it worth the risk if it gives them a chance to survive. All of the dangers you describe exist in spades where they’re running from. The condition of our border has nothing to do with what they’re trying to escape. If the border was really ‘porous’ those kids would be in the interior, not detention centers. They were stopped at the border. Our law requires they now be given a hearing. Period.

MotherBatherick
Guest

Heck, they might even have more than your Liberal-Progressive “Fauxahontas” Elizabeth Warren!

Peter Hancock
Guest

So you are in favor of these REPUBLICAN ideas? :

1) EPA
2) Universal Healthcare
3) The National Highway system (and other infrastructure – actually, that doesn’t count, as although Eisenhower lent his name to it, it was Albert Gore Sr, Senator from TN, who pushed it through congress)
4) Anti-trust (aka 1%) regulation
5) etc etc

wilmalegsgroh
Guest

EPA was created when a Republican was president mainly due to leaks at nuclear plants. It was desperately needed regulation. Yet, under Democratic presidents the EPA has grown to an overreaching monster that is completely unconstitutional. Lets vote for an administration that will reign it in and operate under sound and sensible principles.

Peter Hancock
Guest

“EPA was created when a Republican was president mainly due to leaks at nuclear plants”
Not correct. It was all about clean air and water, and pesticides.
(Reference: Project Documerica)
NP was a bit player.

Peter Hancock
Guest

Any statute that says “… shall regulate…” is a very clearly mandated instruction to the EPA….

Where is the connection with the constitution?

Did you vote for Mitt?

from his book:
“It’s impossible not to take a look at our current energy policies without considering the question of climate change. I believe that climate change is occurring — the reduction in the size of global ice caps is hard to ignore. I also believe that human activity is a contributing factor.”

AND ON THE HUSTINGS:
“My view is that we don’t know what’s causing climate change on this planet.”

Peter Hancock
Guest

IF ONLY those pilgrims did not flee religious oppression in 17th Century Europe and INVADE America. They brought a TON of disease with them! Where was CBP then???

wilmalegsgroh
Guest

You can study any country in the history of the world and every single one of them suffered plagues and diseases. It happens.

Andy Martin
Guest

Now there’s an asinine analogy.

Peter Hancock
Guest

unless you take a longer view of transmigration.

Andy Martin
Guest

You confuse a longer view with a non sequitir.

Peter Hancock
Guest

or even a non sequitur…

HO HUM.

Andy Martin
Guest

Ahhhh. Spell cop. A sure sign of desperation.

Peter Hancock
Guest

Ahhhh. Accusing someone of desperation. A sure sign of delusion.

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ Accusing someone of desperation.]]

When your best shot is to play spell cop, you’re desperate.

Rena
Guest
You are quite right but then it was not a sovereign country then was it? It was not as populated as it is today, where undiscovered and was bountiful. People traveled through out the world, conquering it and establishing nations. Europeans did just that and now it is the US of American with boundaries. We can not go into Mexico and expect them to take care of us, not can we invade Canada and expect them to give us benefits. There are established laws that must be followed in order for the system to work… they are not following that… Read more »
vocamedia
Guest

No, we (Europeans) just denied the sovereignty of the (weakened) nations that were here. Once the Americas were perhaps even more populated, until small pox & other epidemics raced ahead of the explorers.

Peter Hancock
Guest

“when undiscovered” … ahem… I think the northern Asians crossing the Aleutians land bridge in the last two ice ages chasing bison would disagree with the notion that they did not discover. I think that they probably discovered MANY things – not unnoticed by their descendants – some of whom live in Mexico etc.

Rena
Guest

I don’t believe they covered every inch, foot, mile of this land 🙂 and I also don’t believe it was only the Asians who “discovered” this land as there are archeology findings that show the Vikings were here about the same time in different areas of the North in the Great Lakes area….

I would love to keep talking about all this but I have to get some sleep now I have to work in a few hours… Good night…

Peter Hancock
Guest

that was Leif Ericson to whom you refer. I spent much time in Norway learning about him. His settlement died out… whereas, the “asian” kids now number almost 2 billion.

Peter Hancock
Guest

Yes, akin to President Jackson shooing the natives of farming land for us “real” americans. It’s not black and white, it’s a continuum.

Andy Martin
Guest

And that’s a problem for you Mr Historian? Much of the civilized world is comprised of conquered nations. If you wish to assuage all of this cultural guilt you profess, give a Cherokee your home and YOU live on the reservation. Only then will I take your faux outrage seriously.

Rena
Guest

Oh, now it is… true.. but are we the only ones who have been guilty of such acts? Its happened through out history, as one government takes over land for whatever reason, mostly for the resources. If they had not come here, we would not be here. I do not suggest at all that is it right to take land but that is how nations are created.

Peter Hancock
Guest

Indeed!
Iraq was created by immigration OH WAIT…

Ponymomto13
Guest

Actually I find the whole discussion of who conquered who 10,000 or 500 years ago ludicrous.
The issue before us now is how to humanely detain and deport (immediately would be best) those seeking to enter the country illegally.
As I’ve said before, anyone who’s posting about “the poor kids fleeing violence in their own country” should be happy to sponsor several of these kids, bring them into your own home, feed, cloth, educate and provide health care with no gov’t subsidies.
What’s that? You can’t because…..?
Right, thought so.

Rigger62
Guest

Refugees? More like illegals (I don’t care what that reporter on Clinton News Network says, they are here illegally) they are breaking the laws of this country. They need to go. Push them back across the border!!!!!

Peter Hancock
Guest

I say give Texas back to Mexico.

Andy Martin
Guest

Cowardice is the bane of the hand-wringing left.

Peter Hancock
Guest

and cloaking a resentful mind in the flag, the illusion of the right.

Andy Martin
Guest

The only resent is that shared by you and other libs is FOR that flag.

Peter Hancock
Guest

Bravo! I feel so SLAPPED DOWN!

Andy Martin
Guest

Keep calm Hand-on-Cock. Trust me. I’ve slapped smarter posters than you.

Peter Hancock
Guest

jokes on my name? Haven’t heard THAT ONE since middle school.

Andy Martin
Guest

I’m merely responding in kind…………….Rowan and……..

Rena
Guest

Not Texas but I would be willing to let the lower half of California go…

Peter Hancock
Guest
Andy Martin
Guest

Taxes increase because of Cal

Peter Hancock
Guest

simply not true > Various statutory sources attributable:

1. For every federal tax dollar, CA get .78 cents in return
2. CA represents 13+ % of US GDP (MOSTLY private)
3. YET ONLY : 1.7% of Federal employees are based in CA pc
4. Yet 1 in 8 Americans live in CA.

Both CA houses are controlled by democrats, as in the Governorship.

CA has a budget surplus. (and forecast NFY = $4B+)

Andy Martin
Guest

How much do illegals cost? Where do they come in? Of the three southern border states, which one has the highest debt primarily thanks to aid to illegals which is the topic?

http://eaglerising.com/1830/illegal-immigrants-cost-taxpayers-billions/

Peter Hancock
Guest

still wrong on the facts you claimed about existing federal law and the existing crisis referenced by West.

Andy Martin
Guest

NOW who’s distracting? I accept your surrender lefty.

Andy Martin
Guest

Politifact? LOL!

Peter Hancock
Guest

Yes, as poor a source as wikipedia. The Tax Foundation reference is better (= more credible).. or Klipinger.

vocamedia
Guest

The terms aren’t mutually exclusive, one can be both. Laws that are unrealistic and unenforceable keep getting broken until they are changed. (Like Prohibition) And here we are speaking of administrative, not criminal, law. If such a law is all that stands between you and mortal safety, of course you cross over.

wilmalegsgroh
Guest

Yes they are mutually exclusive dufus. You need your brain washed out again.

Andy Martin
Guest

What a pant load. Using your dumbphuckery, murder should be legal on Chicago streets because the 187 statute is ‘unenforceable’.

conservativeblack
Guest

Refugees uh?

vocamedia
Guest

This is not a new phenomena. For example in Europe during WWII unaccompanied children were put on trains & sent to the countryside from cities to escape the bombings.

Andy Martin
Guest

Only an idiot compares WWII Europe with what’s going on in Cal and Az.

Rena
Guest

There is a HUGE difference in what we are getting and what happened during WWII. Go take a look for yourself… oh wait you can’t… no one can unless you are held under some gag order not to talk about what is really going on there.

vocamedia
Guest

Families sending their children away to keep them alive.

Andy Martin
Guest

Where should Chicagoans send their families? Think.

Rena
Guest

anchoring them so they get free benefits… offering nothing in return… yeah…

Badaboom
Guest

Stop arguing with an Obamabot! It’s starting to become difficult to see who is what. If children and adults feel the need to flee their country,and being the US seems to want to be the worlds policemen. Why don’t our government send in a foreign relations ambassador and just throw money at the problem.

Rena
Guest
I enjoy sometimes talking to these guys as not all of them are here to only troll but really discuss/debate issues. Thats what its about really. We learn from each other. I refuse to be closed minded about anything and I know I am not always right about the issues. There are some trolls here that are only here to attack Col West or call us idiots, then there are some who bring good points to the table. I don’t agree that we should be the worlds policeman, or babysitter as in this case. And quite frankly I feel that… Read more »
Ponymomto13
Guest

Well said Rena!

Peter Hancock
Guest
Oh yes, that old CHESTNUT about anchor babies. WHAT A GREAT PLAN THAT WOULD MAKE: 1) A 30 year old woman crosses the border illegally 2) She meets a man, and has his baby 3) At 32, she has an anchor baby 4) At the age of 50, when her anchor baby reaches majority age, she asks her son or daughter to sponsor her 5) So the son or daughter petitions the government the USCIS section 212 of the INA 6) The petition is approved, subject to the DOS Visa Bulletin 7) At the age of 60, the woman now… Read more »
wilmalegsgroh
Guest

How well off would she be if she had stayed in her own country of origin? You really think illegal immigration should suffer NO consequence?

Peter Hancock
Guest

“You really think illegal immigration should suffer NO consequence?” – It is suffering “NO” consequence NOW, thanks to the house republicans.

(EXCEPT to the illegals and the taxpayers).

What is wrong with a) securing frontiers, b) getting workers paying their fare share of taxes c) getting rid of the underground economy and the crime it attracts d) integrating people into the citizenry…

OH WAIT… It’s the Congressional Republicans – many of them in gerrymandered districts so they have few Hispanics thinking about the next election instead of long term reform.

Commodore & Chef of the naive
Guest
Commodore & Chef of the naive

I question your logic when you keep insisting this issue is so black and white.It is a bipartisan failure and unfortunately it will not be fixed anytime soon unless we have good citizens amass at the US / Mexico border and forcibly keep illegal aliens out. Maybe a neutral zone like North and South Korea would be a good idea.

Ponymomto13
Guest

Good idea. With large electrified fences, and a deep moat, preferably with Florida alligators in it!

wilmalegsgroh
Guest
At least I keep up with what is going on instead of making up stuff like you apparently do. It is the DEMOCRATS that kept Bush’s guest worker program from implementation. It is the DEMOCRATS that allow La Raza to write their platform and not allow ANY govt agency to inquire immigration status of any student in a school. It is the DEMOCRATS that keep putting injunctions from building a fence at our borders, something that was passed in Congress and funded. I can go on if you really need to be better educated. It is apparent that you are… Read more »
Commodore & Chef of the naive
Guest
Commodore & Chef of the naive
Peter, I understand your point and I agree that its not a feasible long term plan. However you’re only limiting your scenario to your subject obtaining SS benefits. Would it be fair to say that the woman that you have described does not actually have to wait until a ripe old age to reap benefits from our government and would be eligible for other assistance such as healthcare, government EBT card, etc? Also, with your scenario you’re not taking into account that this isn’t one woman were talking about. If you do the current math, there are over 50,000 children… Read more »
Peter Hancock
Guest
No. I was talking about the:- a) choice of a single person from the person’s economic anthropological viewpoint, not the false equivalency of extrapolation of the masses upon the overall taxpayer burden b) the TRUE COST of Congressional Republicans refusing to absolutely ANYTHING by blocking everything including the very comprehensive bill passed by the Senate 68-32 with 14 Republicans over a year ago to the taxpayers c) resulting in a lack of taxpayer return by a) undeclared income tax b) undeclared payroll tax c) unregulated health care (10,000+ doctors serving the black market customers) d) it would be fair to… Read more »
Commodore & Chef of the naive
Guest
Commodore & Chef of the naive

Agreed, except I believe that the failure is bipartisan. I want to see the initial immigration laws enforced before we have any sort of “reform”.

wilmalegsgroh
Guest

I have watched the ambulances lined up like taxis at the Wal-Mart on a border town just so that illegal can go into labor and have her baby in the US. I am not faulting a person for trying to find a better way of life, so don’t go there. But trying to pull on emotional heart strings to forgive trespassers does not work any longer — only with your La Raza buddies.

Peter Hancock
Guest

not sure what La Raza refers to, but I follow the science of studied enquiry, using scientific method, resulting in empirical evidence… not the quackery of anecdotes. (and most of those desperate women return after the infant is born, they do it for the sanitation)

wilmalegsgroh
Guest

That is the most unbelievably stupid remark I have seen! And no, they do NOT return to their home country! You have been lied to. Check out Parkland hospital in Dallas. And the fact that you don’t know what La Raza is tells me everything I need to know about your lack of knowledge.

Peter Hancock
Guest

Dallas in not along the border. get a map. (And I freely admit I don’t know every mover and shaker)

wilmalegsgroh
Guest

Never pretended that Dallas was on the border. However, it is the largest hospital in TX delivering babies to illegals. Go figure. They don’t need to go back to their home country now, do they.

Ponymomto13
Guest

Neither is Massachusetts, where some of the illegals have been transported to. Wilmalegsgroh is using a valid city.

Peter Hancock
Guest

The original reference was to “all along the border”.

vocamedia
Guest

Please clarify the legal basis for what you refer to as “anchor” and how that will be applied to these children.

Peter Hancock
Guest

She has not the FOGGIEST IDEA how to answer that, See my comment above.

wilmalegsgroh
Guest

Both of you guys are so inept it makes my head spin. Try another website that ignores common sense to spew your stupid remarks.

Peter Hancock
Guest

“it makes my head spin”… then put something in it.

vocamedia
Guest

According to Merriam-Webster
Full Definition of REFUGEE
: one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution

Andy Martin
Guest

So the west and south siders of Chicago have ‘refugee’ status if they flee the violence there?

Peter Hancock
Guest

sounds like the border with TEXAS!!!

(The Texans that want to flee across the TEXAN-OKLAHOMAN border TO Oklahoma, that is)

Jihadist Retard
Guest
Seems no one has mentioned the coincidence(?) of Obama’s nomination of San Antonio Mayor Julián Castro as the next Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), now confirmed without a whimper). They are now the heart of dealing with the tsunami of humanity hitting our southern borders. It’s interesting that on the website, Whitehouse.gov (5/23/14)http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/05/23/president-obama-nominates-juli-n-castro-next-hud-secretary-and-shaun-donovan-omb-dir this was added regarding Mr. Castro: At today’s nomination, the President also highlighted Mayor Castro’s story and how he exemplifies the American Dream: Julián’s grandmother came to this country from Mexico. She worked as a maid, worked as a cook, worked as a babysitter —… Read more »
MotherBatherick
Guest
Rosie never married Julian and Joaquin’s baby daddy…just wanted him around. She’s a radical Leftist-Communist that was obviously owed a “favor” by Leftist Henry Cisneros, you know, the other former mayor of San Antonio and HUD guy who had affairs behind his wife’s back. Meanwhile, Julian has admitted that he didn’t have good enough grades to attend Stanford University so got in by using Affirmative Action (just like our Affirmative Action President barack hussein obama). Now think about that…what poor kid who studied hard and DID have good enough grades got left out just so that Julian (who DID NOT… Read more »
Jihadist Retard
Guest

Makes a lot of sense now. Thanks for the info.

wilmalegsgroh
Guest

Rosie neglects to identify the thousands of Mexican nationals who also fought the vicious Santa Ana to build a better world for their families. As a native Texan, I was properly educated to honor our Hispanic heroes. Too bad the Castro family and their followers are so influenced by La Raza — the most UN-American lobby group in Washington DC!

http://www.houstonculture.org/hispanic/alamo.html

Jihadist Retard
Guest

Can you explain how the Castro brothers are such political rock stars with their family’s history, especially in San Antonio after making such disparaging remarks?

wilmalegsgroh
Guest

MONEY!!!!! Funding from La Raza, just one group financing many Democrats into office to further implement their hidden agenda. Even George Soros backs the Castro brothers.

vocamedia
Guest

Because the birth rate of those who agree with them will always far outstrip that of those who agree with you. Get used to it.

Jihadist Retard
Guest

Get used to the fact that the Islamic birth-rate (& “conversions”) is outpacing all. It’ll be interesting to see the finish of the race to the bottom. (Not worried too much, I read the last chapter and know how it ends, praise Jesus)!

Peter Hancock
Guest

WHICH IS WHY SCOTUS DECIDED HOBBY LOBBY!
More white babies, ladies, P L E A S E pretty pleeaaaassse

Jihadist Retard
Guest

Keep in mind the mother of Planned Parenthood intended to eliminate the “weeds.”

Jihadist Retard
Guest

Can you explain how the brothers Castro are such political rock stars with their family’s history?

vocamedia
Guest

I keep hearing such antagonism for these children. Please tell me, WITHIN EXISTING LAW, how should we deal with them? Here, now, for real.

DisgustedinTexas04
Guest

I think all should be returned to their point of origin.We already have an over burdenrd welfare system,thanks to this president. Our schools are overburdened. Our medical system as well. They need to be sent home and their government needs to deal with it. This was a manufactured “humanitarian crisis” by those in this administration as a solution, to passing immigration reform.Bad move to use children to furthur his own aganda. He did not go to the border,because they serve his purpose just fine ,without him actually being photographed there. Sad ,sickening,disgusting ploy.

vocamedia
Guest

OUR CURRENT LAW requires a hearing BEFORE they can be deported. Now what?

DisgustedinTexas04
Guest

Sadly he will probably get that $$ and hire more liberal judges,lawyers and they will get their hearings. The kids,the M-13 gang members ,the drug dealers etc. Existing laws need changed.They are ILLEGAL. Hearings should not even be on the table.

vocamedia
Guest

In other words, Immigration Reform?

DisgustedinTexas04
Guest

Had Obama not contracted out to bring them here ,none of this would have been happening.This was his way of using children to force some convoluted reform. Sick.

vocamedia
Guest

Please cite your source for the ‘contracted’ assertion.

vocamedia
Guest

BTW, M-13 and drug dealers are home-grown, then exported, not the other way around.

DisgustedinTexas04
Guest

So the US has cornered the market on drug dealers,gangs etc? I have to disagree.

vocamedia
Guest

Obviously, my statement was much more specific. M-13 was exported to Central America along with deportees from the U.S. Our ‘war on drugs’ exports crime along with profits.

Andy Martin
Guest

Stop hiding behind the children and send them back PER THE EXISTING LAW!

Peter Hancock
Guest

actually wrong on the facts (of statute law) for minors from non-bordering countries (per the law signed by George W. Bush)

Andy Martin
Guest

Then he can use his ‘pen and phone’ and send them back. We know he’s ignored the law before [Obamacare’].

vocamedia
Guest

I don’t understand the reference, but I expect that it’s off topic. 3 messages up you advocated using existing law. Have you now changed your mind? Could you describe the steps to your solution?

Andy Martin
Guest

Oh you understand me perfectly. Your POS POTUS is selective insofar as what laws he follow. He is also duty bound to protect the nations’s interests. Now tell me that this stream of crap from the south is not a risk to national security.

Peter Hancock
Guest

“Now tell me that this stream of crap from the south is not a risk to national security”.

You should NOT talk about people from Alabama and Texas like that!!! JUST because you live in an BLUE STATE doesn’t make you better than them!!!

Andy Martin
Guest

Thank you for making my point Obamite. Like your lying POTUS, you also mock what is going on at the border. Good lap dog.

vocamedia
Guest

You should not assume all we Texan anglos are xenophobes.

vocamedia
Guest

You really can’t stay on topic, can you? I’m asking you for your solution under the law.

Andy Martin
Guest

I gave one under the law. Go back and read my responses to your equally addled buddy Hancock.

vocamedia
Guest

After a brief review I see some references to National Guard and FEMA tents for a refugee camp, but still no ideas on how to get these kids their legally required due process more efficiently, so they could be deported (if indicated) more quickly. Of course, I could have missed something. Bear in mind that asylum claims must be processed (and denied) before deportation can be effected. (Per Bush’s 2008 law)

Andy Martin
Guest

So you acknowledged that I gave specifics yet you prefer to remain obtuse.

vocamedia
Guest

FEEMA-built refugee camps staffed by National Guard troops doesn’t sound like the most cost-effective way to maintain these children, especially since you still have no idea how to legally expedite the due process of their asylum claims.

Andy Martin
Guest

What the hell would you know about cost effective? If you want to suck Obama’s arse just say so. Go jerk someone else around leftard.

vocamedia
Guest

Most dearly beloved Andy, I’m so sorry this discussion has left you so frustrated. I certainly didn’t mean to upset you so. Honestly, it will be alright. If you don’t have a solution, it’s certainly OK to say so.

Andy Martin
Guest

Most delusional voca. You haven’t the ability or relevancy to frustrate me. I gave you a solution and you reject it. So you really do not want to hear a solution. Honestly, I’m okay with it. But be a dear and save the bandwidth and admit it. Tata.

Peter Hancock
Guest

you mean the bit about delaying the employer mandate till 2015 from 2014… (as per the HR bill in 2013 that 229 REPUBLICAN congressmen voted FOR) and now Speaker Boneher is suing Obama for?)

OBAMACARE: First championed by Heritage Foundation 1989
2006 ROMNEYCARE: A decade and a half later
2009 SPEAKER BONEHER: HELL NO
2010 PPACA (modeled on Mittware)
2010-2014 GOPPER STOPPERS: 51 REPEAL ATTEMPTS

2012: SCOTUS: LAWFUL
2012 ELECTION: HELL YES.
2013 REPBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS PASSES EMPLOYER MANDATE DELAY BILL

this week:
SURVEY OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS THIS WEEK 74% LIKE IT (dems, 86%)

Don’t let the facts hit you on the way out of the polling booth

Peter Hancock
Guest

PPACA? That’s a distraction from this topic.
Make up you mind. Is Obama weakest president (Cheney)
or the strong-armiest (RWNJs)

Andy Martin
Guest

Distraction? How so? YOU make up my mind. When has a pesky law stopped Obama from doing what he wants? Let’s take a different tact. Are ILLEGALS a threat to national security? Can the national guard be utilized down there? How about the army, who is already on the payroll? IWO, there is no political will on Obama’s to deal with the issue.

Peter Hancock
Guest

” there is no political will on Obama’s to deal with the issue.”

Again, as usual, dead wrong.

DHS record statistics on deportation are the reason Latinos are calling Obama the “deporter-in-chief”.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/09/19/high-rate-of-deportations-continue-under-obama-despite-latino-disapproval/

Now if they all could just follow Romney’s 2012 suggestion to self-deport….

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ Again, as usual, dead wrong.]]

So beer and pool is Obama’s plan? Again, as usual, moron.

Peter Hancock
Guest

beer and pool?

don’t respond to the comment about political will and public policy and administrative action on record deporation, by all means.

Diversion Therapy is usually left to nurses in a retirement facility.

Andy Martin
Guest

Beer and pool has consumed his time more than the border problem. Pick up a newspaper.

Peter Hancock
Guest

you mean the bit about delaying the employer mandate till 2015 from 2014… (as per the HR bill in 2013 that 229 REPUBLICAN congressmen voted FOR) and now Speaker Boneher is suing Obama for?)
OBAMACARE: First championed by Heritage Foundation 1989
2006 ROMNEYCARE: A decade and a half later
2009 SPEAKER BONEHER: HELL NO
2010 PPACA (modeled on Mittware)
2010-2014 GOPPER STOPPERS: 51 REPEAL ATTEMPTS

2012: SCOTUS: LAWFUL
2012 ELECTION: HELL YES.
2013 REPBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS PASSES EMPLOYER MANDATE DELAY BILL

this week:
SURVEY OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS THIS WEEK 74% LIKE IT (dems, 86%)

Don’t let the facts hit you on the way out of the polling booth

Andy Martin
Guest

41 Changes to ObamaCare…So Far | Galen Institute
http://www.galen.org/newsletters/changes-to-obamacare-so-far/
Galen Institute
May 22, 2014 – … 41 significant changes already have been made to ObamaCare: at… allowing maximum out-of-pocket costs to be twice as high as the law …

Peter Hancock
Guest

no different in the tweaks by the R/A in 1937 (Soc Security) or J/A in 1965 to medicare (yes, those program the Republicans had to be dragged into kicking and screaming for a decade and now hold signs saying “keep the government out of my medicare”).

Andy Martin
Guest

Tweaks? What tweaks? Delaying the employer mandate is a tweak? Keep kissing that Kenyan’s azz kid.

Peter Hancock
Guest
Yes, the exact same one all house Republicans voted for in 2013. The Authority for Mandate Delay Act was introduced into the House on July 11, 2013 by Rep. Timothy Griffin (R-AR). It was referred to the United States House Committee on Ways and Means. The bill passed the House on July 17, 2013, by 264- 161 Kenyan? just chillax… America is turning back to brown – after a few hundred years of white and black turmoil, back to the color it was for 40,000 years. If you don’t like it, be a “patriot” and make more white babies. Here’s… Read more »
Andy Martin
Guest

You idiotically ASSume that I lock-step behind whatever the GOP does. Band move lefty.

Yeah. Kenyan. Is that okay to say? After all, you and other Obamites as well as Obama himself love to talk about BHO’s color. So check yourself kid. I’m simply acknowledging his blackness since y’all like to make a big deal of it. Oh and I’m part Cherokee kid. So if you want to get a rise out of someone with your ‘brown America’ crap, you picked the wrong guy.

Peter Hancock
Guest
” whatever the GOP does.” that’s good to know. One of them said last week that the Earth and Mars – as we all know – have the same [atmospheric] temperature. ha ha… Steve Stockman said: “The best thing about the Earth is if you poke holes in it oil and gas come out.” “Just because the Supreme Court rules on something doesn’t necessarily mean that that’s constitutional.” –Oklahoma Rep. Jim Bridenstine, on the legal status of Obamacare… ha ha ha what a comedian! WAIT … HERE’S ANOTHER ONE!!! The Great Flood is an example of climate change. And that… Read more »
Andy Martin
Guest
25 Examples of Liberal Racism in QuotesJohn Hawkins | Mar 26, 2013 1) “(Obama’s) a nice person, he’s very articulate this is what’s been used against him, but he couldn’t sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic.” — Dan Rather 2) “White folks was in the caves while we [blacks] was building empires … We built pyramids before Donald Trump ever knew what architecture was … we taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” — Al Sharpton 3) “‘Hymies.’ ‘Hymietown.’” — Jesse… Read more »
Peter Hancock
Guest

‘brown America crap’.
So easy to play you, Andy…. so easy to tease out all of that deep resentment. Never mind. You’ll get over it one day.

Andy Martin
Guest

Good. Then we agree that your race card was stupidly applied.

Peter Hancock
Guest

funny that the only people who use the expression “race card” are white.

Andy Martin
Guest

Here ya go oh ignorant one…………………

Race Cards by Thomas Sowell on Creators.com – A …

http://www.creators.com › Conservative › Thomas Sowell

Creators Syndicate

Oct 10, 2012 – Thomas Sowell Opinion Columns – Race Cards. … If you are sick and tired of seeing politicians and others playing the race card, or if you are …

Peter Hancock
Guest

So, Governor James R. “oops” Perry wants (even more) National Guardsmen down on the border… to shoot the kids surrendering to CBP?

Andy Martin
Guest

Who said anything about shooting anyone leftard?

vocamedia
Guest

Existing law requires that claims of asylum be adjudicated before a child can be processed for deportation.

Ponymomto13
Guest

If you and all the others I see posting comments about these “poor innocent children” are so worried about them, I suggest you sponsor a few (and their families, because we wouldn’t want to break up any families) That means they live in your home, you pay for all of their expenses of housing, food, clothing medical and education so they are at least functionally literate in English. No government subsidies or handouts. Until then, no same person will take you seriously.

Peter Hancock
Guest

Asylum laws have been on the books since 1956.
WHEN where YOU protesting in the nearly 60 years since??

Peter Hancock
Guest

that 2008 law, by the way, was passed on a HOUSE VOICE VOTE prior to the senate and POTUS Bush

Peter Hancock
Guest

“no same person will take you seriously.”
Why do you insist upon thinking taxpayers are not ALREADY paying for 50 years of failed American foreign policy in central america?

Ponymomto13
Guest
Exactly why the law need to be changed AFTER the border is secure. I very much doubt any of these “children” know enough to claim Asylum without coaching, either prior or during processing. I notice that in all your comments you don’t address the meat of my comment about sponsoring these illegal immigrants. Didn’t think you would. As for these laws sayingthat they all be processed, what’s wrong with the Presidents phone and pen? He could, for once, use these in a positive manner to streamline the hearing process. Many of these people are just plain illegal immigrants. Ship them… Read more »
Peter Hancock
Guest

OK… let me get to the “meat of my comment about sponsoring these illegal migrants”

USCIS has to follow the INA 1956, as amended by subsequent legislation.

In that ACT, there is NO discretion for anyone offering sponsorship to promote the sponsoring of any person residing in the United States unlawfully.

Ponymomto13
Guest

I never said a word about sponsorship in the law. Why does a good hearted person need a law to sponsor a child or family?
Oh yeah, I forgot, it’s what the liberal socialists want done by the government, at cost to the taxpayers.
When the libtards are personally taking these poor people into their homes I’ll take them more seriously.
G’night

vocamedia
Guest

Really, you have no idea how many people of what circumstances I may have taken into my home, legally or otherwise. Objection! Assuming facts not in evidence!

Peter Hancock
Guest

again….

2. “He could, for once, use these in a positive manner to streamline the hearing process.” THAT IS PRECISELY what he said he would do, BUT SPEAKER BONEHER called the $3.7B ITEMIZED request “a blank check”…UM NO, it has a limit of….say…. $3.7B

Peter Hancock
Guest

“libtards”? take your blood pressure pills.
Migrants started 40% of Fortune 500 companies – many of them family or employment sponsored.

Thank Zod we don’t have JEB “Act of Love” or Whoops Perry “hasn’t got a heart” as POTUS.

Damn Rethuglickin’ Bleeding Heart Socialists!

DisgustedinTexas04
Guest

Amen,well stated!

SB_Smith
Guest

I’d love for a recently naturalized U.S. citizen to write a scathing article about all the illegal immigration in general and all things related to the recent debacle, of astronomical proportions, going on at the border….Considering all a person goes through to become a U.S. citizen, they surely must be livid……I know I would be very angry…..Maybe a new citzen would be hesitant to do that, but they have EVERY RIGHT TO DO JUST THAT !.

Peter Hancock
Guest

A “right” to be angry?
Anger is an emotion, so chosen, in reaction to an event.
Cannot see reference to anger in the first 10 amendments, either.

vocamedia
Guest

Not all immigrants are seeking citizenship. Refugees are seeking safety under existing provisions.

David Wilson
Guest

Whar did you expect from the biggest bullshiter in the world

Peter Hancock
Guest

I DO like his book, however… The Canadian of the Republic.

MotherBatherick
Guest

This is what you get from the Affirmative Action President. Just more corruption and more hating of America.

AlterKaker
Guest

what is the problem. Abandoned children are wards of the individual states (not the fed) PUT them up for ADOPTION immediately.

vocamedia
Guest

The legal process for that would likely take longer than processing a request for asylum . On the other hand, they would be assigned legal representation. Hmmm…. Any CPS workers want to weigh in on this one?

Peter Hancock
Guest

Obama request 3.7b.
John Boehner “BLANK CHECK”.
Johny can’t count past 20 ??? Number of cigarettes in a pack of Camel Ultra Lights

Andy Martin
Guest

Obama needs 4bil to turn those people around? Please. How stupid are you?

Peter Hancock
Guest
and the republicans in congress “needed” 287b (er…that’s WAY more than 3.7b) under HR 4718 JUST THIS WEEK to add the deficit. HR 4718 is a continuation of a BONUS accelerated depreciation because they still think we are in the “recession” of five years ago. Spending they squawk about constantly – and this has no “offset”. Hypocrites. How STUPID are THEY? (and anyone who throws their vote away on them) JUNE 2014 BUDGET SURPLUS: $71 From Bloomberg (yes, that capital bastion of left-wingery): “Rising employment and corporate profits will probably keep lifting tax receipts this year as the U.S. recovers… Read more »
Andy Martin
Guest

You didn’t answer my question. Why does Obama need 4bil to put these kids on a bus and send them back? The national guard can help with the processing since they aren’t doing anything else. Do you brain-dead left-nuts always sin and sputter hen you’re getting creamed in debate? If you can’t keep up,stop flapping your lips and lick your wounds.

Peter Hancock
Guest
The National Guard serves a purpose, training for which does not serve: 1) $64 million for DOJ to hire 40 additional immigration judge teams to speed up deportation proceedings. The White House said this would help process an additional 55,000-75,000 cases each year. 2) $300 million to DOS for efforts to repatriate and reintegrate migrants to Central America. 3) $1100 million to DHS for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, as well as an additional $433 million for Customs and Border Protection. A large chunk of that sum would go toward the detention and removal of apprehended undocumented adults traveling with children,… Read more »
Andy Martin
Guest

And you stupidly accept those numbers because your daddy says so? What a sucker. How about using the national guard to help process them? Idiot.

Peter Hancock
Guest
“How about using the national guard to help process them? Idiot.” Highly impractical for the job at hand. So, you want to call into rotation several thousand of them (many weekend warriors) to do administrative work, international diplomacy, legal work etc etc. How about using the national guard to do the jobs it was trained for? The CBP is responsible for the border, and these migrants are petitioning the officers in the field (by surrender). This has been a slow-burning problem in the making for decades, now, it’s finally got the attention of the media. 15 years ago, the rise… Read more »
Andy Martin
Guest

me————-“How about using the national guard to help process them? Idiot.”

you————–Highly impractical for the job at hand.

Really? So you also think it ‘impractical’ to use them when natural disasters occur? OH WAIT!

The rest of you rant is typical ‘blame Bush’ bilge we’ve been hearing since the Kenyan’s first inauguration. It’s Barry who wishes to bilk the people out of 4bil instead of using existing resources in order to comply with the law.

Peter Hancock
Guest

no natural disasters v human disasters are the typical RWNJ false equivalency. As for the rest of your blind ignorance of the historical fact, well ….

Andy Martin
Guest

I see the Tourette’s hasn’t abated. Get back to me when you can give a cogent reason as to why the NG can be used in some disasters but not in this one. And lose the drama lefty.

Peter Hancock
Guest

already have, see my previously – very detailed comments – on logistics, legalities, diplomacy etc.
HOW WOULD YOU, GENIUS, deploy the National Guard?

Would you send them into foreign sovereignty to escort the illegals home, for example?

That requires Congressional approval.

Come on, Party Of No, make a useful suggestion instead of all the diatribe and insults from the sidelines.

What EXACT task(s) WOULD YOU direct to the field commanders of the NG?

Andy Martin
Guest

Are you always this obtuse and rabid when flummoxed for a response?

You use them in processing the illegals. Isn’t that what the problem is? Being overwhelmed? Set up tents and/or trailers ala FEMA post Katrina. You really need to fix that Tourettes kid. You’re losing it.

vocamedia
Guest

Peter, maybe it’s time to stop feeding the bears. It doesn’t seem to improve their critical thinking.

Andy Martin
Guest

Be nice pig. I don;t mind feeding you your daily slop. Are you sure you want to get nasty?

Peter Hancock
Guest

perhaps, but I thought my weekend sport of poking the G.R.R.R.R. (Great Right-wing Religion & Resentment Ranters) might get them to think (not necessarily critical thinking), as they have been held captive by the GOP-FauxNews-AM-Radio-Dittohead-Hate-Machine-War-mongerers so long that they have Stockholm Syndrome (and too much High Fructose Corn Syrup)

Andy Martin
Guest

I see you hate religion too. It figures.

Peter Hancock
Guest

No, I don’t accept those numbers prima facie.
That’s what the provisions under ARTICLE 1 are for
… oh, and the OMB, and several departmental IG’s, and Ways and Means Committee etc etc.

You asked, and I gave a detailed response.
If you don’t like to see how the sausages are made, then put the bag back over your head.

Andy Martin
Guest

Then if you do not accept the numbers. why bring them up? Are you that invested in Obama that no matter what he lies……er………………says, you beLIEve it?

Peter Hancock
Guest

no, I brought them up because you (twice) requested more detail on the $3.7b the White House asked for.

You know, there is a reason why debates are not on the syllabus in elementary school.

It is because the young, developing mind does not distinguish between a position of advocacy and his or her own identity. That develops around the age of 14, approaching junior high school.

Try it some time 🙂