Religious subjugation? U.S. troops in Bahrain get Ramadan training

A dhimmi is historically defined as a non-Muslim living in a region overrun by Muslim conquest (notice this does not say living peacefully side-by-side) who was accorded a protected status and residence so long as they understood their subjugated status. If they rendered the jizya tax, they were allowed to retain their original faith. Perhaps this is the Islamic jurist interpretation of “coexistence.”

Well folks, you’ll be shocked to know personnel serving in CENTCOM AOR and the U.S. Navy 5th Fleet have succumbed to dhimmitude this Ramadan season.

According to a report in the Stars and Stripes, “U.S. personnel accustomed to drinking their coffee on the drive to work will have to put that habit on hold for about a month. It’s one of a few lifestyle changes Americans will have to make during the holy month of Ramadan.”

Yep, I suppose when in Rome, do as the Romans — except we in America ask no one to play that game. I suppose there are those who will say this is a good cultural lesson — all about multiculturalism. But it sure seems to me that tolerance is indeed becoming a one-way street heading straight to cultural suicide. Funny, why is it that “infidels” can’t enter Mecca or Medina? That would be like Americans saying certain groups can’t be allowed in Washington D.C.

Oh yeah, I can hear all those tolerant liberal progressives saying we don’t want to be like them. Nope, we don’t. But we don’t want to be told to assimilate for others when there is no reciprocal action.

Just as a little background from the report, “Ramadan is the ninth month of the Islamic calendar. Officials expect Ramadan to begin at sunrise on Saturday, depending on when the new moon is sighted. The holy month lasts for approximately 30 days — until about July 28. For Muslims around the world, Ramadan is a month of fasting and devotion to God (hmm, notice that the writer of this piece did not use Allah, displaying signs of dhimmitude). Most Muslims fast from dawn to sunset, when families gather for Iftar — the meal that breaks the fast.”

Stars and Stripes says, “for the 8,200 U.S. personnel living here, and those serving throughout the U.S. Central Command area of responsibility — including service members, civilian personnel, contractors and family members — the month may require changing some daily routines. While not required to fast during Ramadan, in Bahrain, Americans can be fined or detained by local authorities for eating, drinking or smoking in public when off-base during daylight hours.”

Navy officials are requiring U.S. personnel to dress more conservatively off-base during Ramadan. Although not a requirement by Bahraini authorities, the Navy is demanding that men wear long-sleeved shirts and women wear sleeved blouses that cover their elbows. Also, men must wear long trousers, and women should wear pants or skirts that cover the knees.

Stars and Stripes reports that base cultural advisers have spent the last few weeks conducting Ramadan briefs to educate Americans about the holy month. Ali Hassan briefed about 150 personnel Tuesday about Islam, the lunar calendar and customs and traditions during Ramadan.

“It actually made me want to do a lot more research into the religion,” said Petty Officer 1st Class James Ramirez. He said the additional requirements during the month aren’t a big deal to him. “For such a small period of time, it’s a small sacrifice,” he said — clearly a victim of dhimmitude.

Here is the list of Ramadan do’s and don’ts for our military personnel as reported by Stars and Stripes (per NSA Bahrain Public Affairs, and Ali Hassan, cultural adviser on NSA Bahrain):

  • Eating, drinking, chewing and smoking in public are civil offenses in some Islamic countries.
  • Men should wear long sleeves and pants. Women’s sleeves should extend below the elbow and pants or skirts should cover the knees.
  • Avoid critical remarks about fasting or any religious practice.
  • Most restaurants will be closed except those in 4- and 5-star hotels.
  • Businesses alter and reduce hours during the day; some open at night until early morning hours.
  • Arabs are good hosts and may offer you food or refreshments during daylight hours. Such offers should be declined.
  • All consumption of alcohol by U.S. military personnel is prohibited at any off base public venue in the U.S. Navy 5th Fleet Area of Responsibility during Ramadan.
  • It’s customary to say ‘Ramadan Kareem’ during Ramadan.

Ok, maybe I’m being overly sensitive, but when did the U.S. military start religious indoctrination training of its service men and women? Where is our ol’ buddy Mikey Weinstein on this one? Heck, he got his underwear in knots over a nativity scene in a chow hall at GITMO after all. Our personnel are deployed to these countries to provide security. How about our troops stationed in Japan having to accommodate Shinto customs and practices? What gets me is that even if Muslims are in America they demand us to provide – at taxpayer expense – foot washing stations, special accommodations at swimming pools, and special considerations of meals at schools.

I have an idea. Why don’t we give Judeo-Christian religious training for Muslims in America to abide by Christmas, Easter, Passover, and other traditions of those faiths– nah, we wouldn’t want to do that, would we? That would be intolerant and somehow violate the separation of church and state, blah, blah, blah.

This may seem irrelevant until you come to realize just how relevant it iss. Submission, subjugation, conversion, or annihilation — those were the choices offered by Muhammad in a letter to the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius. And so here we are today.

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wes
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I dislike the towel head bastards

teddy martin
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If they used the towel to dry off after a bath I wouldn’t mind. But their religion prohibits taking baths. Natural body odors are Islamically correct.

Gracie777
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eeeewww

tracey welch
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The red flag should be “it has made me more interested into looking into that religion”. Since so few young people have any religion anymore, this may just fill that void. If that is the case then I am very concerned they arent being allowed to practice their christianity anywhere, not just islamic countries. How will they be exposed to choices of religion?. Seems the only choice that is being offered up is the one that wishes the infidels dead. And they do. I have muslims friends and they have said they ignore that part or they dont take it… Read more »
Lola in SC
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Wonder if your moderate Muslim friends have ever noticed that when Islamic terrorists overrun a territory, moderates like themselves are slaughtered along with the Christians, Jews, and Kurds?

tracey welch
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My friend in Egypt who supported and helped the coptic christians there ran to dubai to save his own life.

tracey welch
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Yes! I asked them how they are ok with what is written. They either choose to ignore it or pick and choose what they practice, which as you say, is very dangerous! There are good examples such as the man who saved our navy seal in afghan. He is now being targeted and I have doubts he will survive it. So in reality, a good muslim is a dead muslim for everywhere but here, and probably here but we arent aware of it.

Joe1938
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I repeat myself. The only difference between the muslims you know and the “radicals” who kill innocent men, women (stone’em), and children is the distance the muslims you know put between themselves and the bomb trigger.

NC2013
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Screw them.

James
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I’m currently in Kuwait as a GS employee and live off post. We have all been advised that eating or drinking on the way to work is a no-no because we can be arrested and detained till sunset. We were also advised that the Garrison CC would not seek our release if detained.

tracey welch
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So eat something and you rot in prison and forgotten. Cool. Seems the status for most everyone these days except if you state your muslim belief publicly and tweet your support of the enemy. The rest of us can go to hell it seems. Gawd get that marine out of mexico for jeezy pete!! Ugh!

Gracie777
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Of course not. Obama does NOT have your back..I stand in awe of our Military men and women. They persevere for Americans, regardless of our president.

Thinker
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Time to leave?

James
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Not yet. Still have 10 months left.

teddy martin
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Looks like we need a “Status of Forces” agreement in Bahrain. US soldiers live according to US culture, not Muslim. Or we leave.

VL123
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I am sure they’d be fine with that.

Lilu Kanine
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So we are in a foreign country to assist and they set the rules.

Jinx
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If they want our help that’s fine – but we don’t need to be subjugated to them. There is a difference.

Jinx
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Ours troops should not have to say “Ramadan Kareem” or face punishment – or should we start making everyone say “Merry Christmas” “Happy Hanukah” back here in the States?

Dustin Bennett
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No one said I have to. I have been in Bahrain for 3 years, this is Ramadan number 4 for me and not once have I been required to use the traditional Ramadan greetings. No one else stationed here has to either, unless they want to show their cultural awareness.

tracey welch
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EXACTLY!!!

Loch Burns
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simply put, Muslims can go to hell

Thinker
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Oh, they are.

Pat Nash
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A Hot Mess.

aumrichin
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Muslims in the Arctic circle about 23 hours and 45 minutes per day leaving only 15 to gorge.

bwl60
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Only certain groups are allowed in DC, they don’t like Patriots there!!

Joe1938
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Good point Bwl60! The RINOs and the donkeys are allowed. Unfortunately for the United States of America, there is not a penny’s difference between the old stoneless blueblood GOP rethread RINOs and the socialist-communist-marxist-islamofascist-racist donkey “leaders”. Their objectives are the same and have been for decades. That is why the United States of America is in grave danger of tumbling into the dustbowl of history to join all the other great nations and civilizations that had their turn at greatness.

Major Smith
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It’s their country their custom and their law, if you don’t like it work else where?

Joe1938
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AWOL?!

Gracie777
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Yeah, right…like our military men and women have a choice????

The Lord's Warrior
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It is not as simple as that.

VL123
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Our military has become a social experiment of political correctness for this administration.

tracey welch
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Boy is that well put. We ARE Only a social experiementwith this govt. and the guinea pigs have no value !scary shiz ppl

michael
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I don’t mind many of the Muslims I know, it is the self defined islamists that are a using all the problems. Then they intimidate the general population into doing what they want.

Joe1938
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The only difference between the muslims you know and the “radicals” who kill innocent men, women (stone’em), and children is the distance the muslims you know put between themselves and the bomb trigger.

CafeConservative
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You’ll hear nothing out of Weinstein. He is purely anti-christian using the facade of separation of church and state to mask it.

tracey welch
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He isnt only anti…heDESPISESs christians…hates wishes theyd disappear kind of man

Mark
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Lt Col West, as someone who served in the Armed Forces, you should be well aware of how a SOFA works and this this isn’t forcing our military members into Islam. It’s simply being aware of host nation laws, which we are still required to follow if we are off base. I expect a hack website like MadWorldNews to propagate such bovine excrement, but not from you. This is no different than if you were serving in Germany, Italy, Korea, etc. Still have to follow host nation laws.

Joe1938
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Thanks for the lecture Mark. All the “bovine excrement” aside, the point is that we don’t have to like islam’s laws. Agreed, when deployed, we have to abide by the host country’s laws (been there done that before you were born). Even so, we don’t have to like a society where men are men and women are cattle; Just to name one of the thousands of “laws” that islam is perpetrating on the world. You, being a military person, should understand these things and should not obliquely make excuses for islam. Also, note that your public use of terms such… Read more »
Salzig Hund
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I’ve been stationed there twice and I have to agree on both sides. I, as a free man did as I pleased during Ramadan. I drank in public if I pleased and dressed as I pleased but I was respectful (to some extent). An old man flagged me down for drinking a bottle of water on my way too work so I stopped. He scolded me. I politely informed him that God willed me to drink. While we still have a Constitution, and free men and women, subjugation is in the mind. One thing to consider Lt.Col. as Mark points… Read more »
Mark
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The SOFA is negotiated with the host nation by our own gov’t and the Constitution is a part of that process – which protects our rights as US citizens as much as possible. I don’t see this as religious subjugation at all – it’s their country and they are free to make whatever laws they see fit to make. Our lawmakers, for the most part, have used Judeo-Christian faith as guidance in their decisions, so we’re no different.

Dustin Bennett
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Mark, we don’t have a SOFA with Bahrain. We are truly guests here. If I break the law, I go to Bahrain jail and there is nothing the Navy can do about it until the Bahrainis decide to let me go.

Bo
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Can you please teach that to immigration here on the US soil? It’s our country right? Then why don’t we force learning English, Christianity, eating Big Macks and Hot Dogs? before you can gain access. Why are we allowing Mosque to be built here? This is religious subjugation and our enemies see us as weak. It would be far better to set the example by demonstrating how powerful we are by not following their kooky and cultish religion.

Joe1938
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Mark, “so we’re no different”?! We are no different than islam?! You are strongly advised to acquire a copy of the Koran and read it from cover to cover. Note Koran, not quran. The quran is a white washed version of the Koran.

icy69hot
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So based upon this data, that implies that all these persons while visiting the USA shall not do anything to offend our beliefs so all these Muslim women shall wear shorts and tee shirts, Guys can drink beer in public and fart if they want too..Love the double standard making Americans being the ones to always give in regardless of the Country we are in. Screw them all, pull all troops out from Overseas locations except Naval Air resupply locations which have pier side access.

Guest
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clearly the OP and many after don’t know the definition of subjegation

JW
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Maybe we should require the Arabs who train in the U.S. get Easter and Christmas training

Bo
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and eat a pork chop!

Gracie777
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This would NOT be happening with any other president. Obama bends over backwards for “his own”.

info warrior
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It’s pretty obvious that West is an Islamophobe.. Didn’t he once threaten to murder a Muslim?

Bo
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I bet you’re conservativephobe! Americaphobe! and possibly straight-phobe, in case you missed it above. There is nothing wrong with being Islamophobe or homophobe, Some of us have the common sense that God gave us to understand what is acceptable and not.. Hate is a necessary emotion, its just a heightened sense of fear. I suppose sheep suffer Wolfiphobe, deer suffer cougarphobe, and certainly would fair better if they contracted carphobe. There would not be so many dead along the highway. If I passed a deer in the woods and heard him/her Proclaim ” I hate hunters” I would think now… Read more »
Earl Lee
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He sure did…and ruined his military career doing so!

Steve V
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Deployed military are always given briefings about local customs and holidays (even in Japan). It is intended to help keep the troops from getting into trouble.

Jester
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Sorry, this is an overreaction. There was no essential indoctrination training. All rules were for off base activity. Until America conquers Bahrain, we are a guest and allowed to do whatever we want on our soil there. That should be good enough, and their rules should be followed when on their soil especially to remind us of the differences between us. Either conquer them and make them our dhimmis or just live with it.

brucehall
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Strange that Steve V and Info Warrior are not questioning why Muslims should not be given forced training on U.S. customs and traditions and etiquette when seeking to reside here. Don’t they know that covering women is offensive and indicates a paternalistic, misogynistic, repressive attitude of inequality toward women? What’s a little coffee compared with that?

Earl Lee
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Allen west do you actually have to ask why people believe that you are a ISLAMOPHOBE??

Bo
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There is nothing wrong with being Islamophobe or homophobe, Some of us have the common sense that God gave us to understand what is acceptable and not.. Hate is a necessary emotion, its just a heightened sense of fear. I suppose sheep suffer Wolfiphobe, deer suffer cougarphobe, and certainly would fair better if they contracted carphobe. There would not be so many dead along the highway. If I passed a deer in the woods and heard him/her Proclaim ” I hate hunters” I would think now that is one smart deer, Likely to live longer, and likely to be pro… Read more »
David Akers
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Don’t worry. 99% of those being forced to undergo this indoctrination, oops I mean “training”, will forget it in less than a week. Most military personnel do not put up with stupidity and will soon go back to doing what they always do. … Being irreverent. Hooah.

Ohiogunr
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moslems are much like other criminal gangs! They demand you tow their line, and will attack you 20 to one, and even will attack you one with a bomb to thousands, but they lack the guts to line up and slug out a FAIR FIGHT! They are terrorists, and religious ones which are the worst!

BARAKZAI
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You guys need to shut your mouths! If you all are saying that you have a religion, and you pray to God. it would be better for all of you to study, and find you… I am %100 sure that you are not the ones that ya used to be. I am sure there are crazy and bad people in every religion, and for sure the big players are using the hot headed Muslims for their own benefits, and the own Targets they have. and for sure that NON MUSLIM Players are using them to earn a bad name for… Read more »
American Infidel
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BARAKAZAI….THERE’S A SHOE ON YOUR HEAD! ALLAH….PATOOY! MUHAMMAD…PATOOY. QUR’AN…piss on it!

AddisonDewitt
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apparently you have never read the Quran…

Barbara Tyler
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This is no only BS but it is demeaning to our troops. If you as a nation need help from us then it is time you started adhering to our way not us to yours. Of course we don’t demand this junk so that will never happen but our president needs to grow a set and giving in to this. Whap’s next do we kiss their butt every time you encounter them. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH nobama. All funds and assistant should stop to these countries as long as they insist on this. If business men from America need money this… Read more »
Rafael X
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And why in the world we put up with it and don’t just get the hell out?

49_67_71_77
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Well said!

Bo
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Just more proof our our muslim in charge abuse of power. If we were to celebrate Easter on a ship he would be throwing a fit. How much more will the troops tolerate? Can’t follow your God, have to tolerate gays in your fox hole, Can’t shoot unless your shot at, then expect to be fully questioned and even jailed for shooting then. Now they’re told to honor a false religion??? Bullshit! The military should smoke three times a day, eat bacon 3 times a day, drink every night and run around in camo boxers and thongs while being fully… Read more »
Tommie
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If you know history it is scary how similar the Muslims are to Nazi Germany. No tolerance, do as they say or else. Then our subjugation if our government does not revert to a WW II mentality and just destroy them.

fanciladi
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Very interesting article….thanks for the insight on this……very scary indeed!!!

Earl Lee
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Allen West you are being DISHONEST in this post…but you know the majority of your followers (98.58%) are IDIOTS and won’t know that this type of training takes place in the military overseas!

Paulonthe400
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We don’t bow to these Saudi Kings or submit to any of This “Religious” Death Cult. All you Appeasers of the new Oppressor will regret your “Tolerance” of the Intolerable. I love seeing you Leftist Weenies try to out do each other falling all over yourselves in self loathing trying to show how “Diverse” you are. Stick your Diversity and tolerance up your arse. We know better than you.

cdb5556
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Really? TELL US HOW he is “dishonest”? unfounded accusations are the typical method of argument from most leftists.

Al Williams
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Mr. Lee……you are the idiot…….this subjugation training takes place in bases here and abroad……none of the facts stated in the article are wrong or dishonest……you’ve been drinking too much “progressive” koolaid

Earl Lee
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Like i said…IDIOTS!

Dustin Bennett
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I have lived in Bahrain for 3 years. This is my 4th Ramadan. This training happens every year before Ramadan. It is not in any way shape or form “Islamic indoctrination”, it is to help keep us from looking like “ignorant Americans” in the eyes of our hosts. As a former service member Colonel West should know this. We get a cultural brief in any country we serve in. Heck, in Japan we are not even allowed to leave the base until we complete a class on local culture. That being said, these guideline are for when we are out… Read more »
firftrmark
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Looking like ignorant Americans in their eyes? Go live in Bahrain forever ! I would NOT follow any of the foolish BS to please anyone! You sound as if you had one to many training sessions! What you call ignorant ,,I call freedom!

Dustin Bennett
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It’s not been my choice to live here. I am stationed here with the Navy. I definitely do NOT want to live here forever. I love my country way too much (kinda why I volunteered to serve in her military). Living in another country these past few years has made me realize how good I have it back home. It can be a real eye-opener. You closed minded bigots should try it sometime. And don’t go running in the wrong direction with that, I have not been indoctrinated into anything. I still love my country, my guns, my freedoms, pork… Read more »
Rafael X
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In other words not “dhimmitude” at all since that applies to non-islamic subject of an Islamic state. Term (borrowed from french btw) was coined by maronite leader Bachir Gemayel to designate the Christian minority in Lebanon. Like LCT. West says, trust but verify. Especially what he himself publishes.

GinnyLee
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A class on local ‘culture’ is one thing, this adherence to a ‘religion’ is quite different. Further, since when do we care how our ‘hosts’ see us? That line of thinking sounds like the ignorant one to me.

Like Col West said, “I have an idea. Why don’t we give Judeo-Christian religious training for
Muslims in America to abide by Christmas, Easter, Passover, and other
traditions of those faiths– nah, we wouldn’t want to do that, would we?
That would be intolerant and somehow violate the separation of church
and state, blah, blah, blah.”

Dustin Bennett
Guest

Another who can’t be bothered to read my whole comment. No one is forcing me to participate in Ramadan, just to respect the local laws and customs or be willing to pay the fines. As to why do we care what our hosts think. Well, this is their country not mine. It’s just plain old fashioned good manners to be a good guest. You wouldn’t want someone to come to your house and disrespect you and what you believe in now would you?

firftrmark
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Pay the fines? Lol yeah right! Obeying or observing their customs or beliefs in their country which is shariah ,which is a religion. No one will ever force me to observe any religion,sorry not happening! Maybe we should start putting the diapers on our heads because this observance is nothing but crap!

Dustin Bennett
Guest

Psssst, your ignorance is showing…
The Kingdom of Bahrain is not ruled by sharia law. They have bars and nightclubs that serve alcohol. Women are not required to wear the burka, although many do because of their beliefs there are many who don’t. I also have not seen anyone beaten or stoned to death either. Educate yourself before you try and speak about things you know nothing about.

firftrmark
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Pssssst GFY…ignorant enough for you? I have zero respect for Islam and do not care to educate myself on it. I have resigned myself to the U.S. Since 9/11 and will never spend one dime outside of the U.S. And do not care if the diaper wearing religion of pisss wipes each other out! Until they all get on their knees and face the U.S. And pray for the 3000 killed in the name of the barbaric culture they want us to respect they also can GFT. Clear were I stand now?

GinnyLee
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I read your whole comment… “We get a cultural brief in any country we serve in” Again, “cultural brief” and religious training – or adherence to religious rules, are two different things. “According to a report in the Stars and Stripes, “U.S. personnel accustomed to drinking their coffee on the drive to work will have to put that habit on hold for about a month. It’s one of a few lifestyle changes Americans will have to make during the holy month of Ramadan.” “You wouldn’t want someone to come to your house and disrespect you and what you believe in… Read more »
Dustin Bennett
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Here is the official 5th Fleet Ramadan guidance: http://www.cusnc.navy.mil/ramadan/ramadan.html
Please read it and tell me where it says I am required to participate in Ramadan.

GinnyLee
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I read this, yesterday, while doing some research. Here is the key operative phrase in this: “It is a time for personal sacrifice and spiritual purification for Muslims.” So, it is not a time for “non-muslims” by definition. The rules to observe [fulfill or comply with] or to participate [cooperate in] according to the “ramadan guidance”… “… we are expected to respect the observance by refraining from eating (including chewing gum), drinking (even water), smoking and chewing tobacco in public during daylight hours.” ” A violation of Ramadan observances by a non-Muslim may result in a fine or confinement.” “During… Read more »
Dustin Bennett
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I love how you copy and paste only the parts that make you seem right. A lie by omission is still a lie Ginny. “As non-Muslim guests in the region, we are not expected to fast during Ramadan, but we are expected to respect the observance by refraining from eating (including chewing gum), drinking (even water), smoking and chewing tobacco in public during daylight hours. In Bahrain during Ramadan, it is illegal to eat, drink, or smoke in public places during daylight hours.” “For Ramadan, restaurants and establishments that normally serve alcohol will suspend this practice, even after sunset. Most… Read more »
GinnyLee
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…”a lie”??? What’s the lie? What did I omit? I copy and paste what is pertinent to answer your claims. Never mind. You are oblivious to the obvious as to what’s taking place. “.. we are not expected to fast during Ramadan, but we are expected to respect the observance by refraining from eating (including chewing gum), drinking (even water), smoking and chewing tobacco in public during daylight hours…” Tell me what is the difference in “fasting” or “refraining from eating, drinking,” and the rest??? So, you’re content to contain your activities to staying ‘on base’, or do whatever they… Read more »
Dustin Bennett
Guest
You want to talk about oblivious, you apparently missed this whole paragraph: “For Ramadan, restaurants and establishments that normally serve alcohol will suspend this practice, even after sunset. Most restaurants are closed during the day, although some coffee shops and hotel restaurants that cater to non-Muslim guests may remain open for dining. Restaurants and hotels are considered private properties and service members and families are allowed to dine in the establishments during daylight hours. Service members and families may eat and drink at all times on U.S. Government controlled installations (NSA Bahrain, NSA Waterfront, Isa Air Base), or in their… Read more »
GinnyLee
Guest

I guess that dog hunts both ways – like, the parts you want to leave out. I’m not calling “it” a lie. I’m also not going to copy and paste the whole order.

Be happy. Enjoy. It’s your duty. I feel sorry for you. Thanks, for your service.

David Alexander
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Unless you have lived there you cant understand, but all this bashing of the host nation only shows how ignorant some people are. Make no mistake, we are there for own interests. and there is not difference in the cultural or religious awareness, it is part of their culture. Ginny, stop twisting things Dustin said no one comes on base our in our homes to do anything. But the service member sitting in a car, off base, drinking a bottle of water can get a ticket for violating THEIR laws (we are not in the US) and the fines start… Read more »
GinnyLee
Guest
…”just because we kiss every ones ass in the US, doesn’t mean they do anyplace else.” Have no idea who “we” are, and I gather that you are saying that the “they” and “their laws” trump any U.S. “guest” laws? That “they” are in charge of your life? So, the “host nation” is ‘king on the hill’? I know that ‘religion’ is their excuse for being an evil ‘culture’ – no doubt about that. But, it’s still “religion”, and not yours…. is it? Sounds like a place in hell. I’d never work there, or any place like it. Ever.
Dustin Bennett
Guest

Yes, please tell me about these “U.S. guest laws”. It is blaringly obvious you have never left the U.S. and get your information from movies or TV. When you live and work in another nation you are subject to their laws. If I get arrested I can’t just yell out “I am an American citizen, I demand to see the ambassador” and everything is OK.

GinnyLee
Guest
No, I’d venture to say that most of Americans have not lived in another country – especially a muslim country. Certainly not I. We get information like average, normal people from trusted resources, if they are to be found. You’re telling me the same thing. You or “we” or whomever you are testifying to, are living there and abiding by their ‘religion’ for fear of being arrested, or worse, if you ignore it. That is not “respect”, that is fear. Having ‘respect’ for their ‘religion’ is to give it credence, room for legitimacy, for a place in society. So, if… Read more »
David Alexander
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Yes Ginny. They are king of the hill, it’s their country. We dont always choose where we work, we took an oath and we go where we are sent to protect US interests. By us and they. In our own country we dont want to offend anyone so we kiss everyones ass. Just because our country does it doesnt mean others will. Why do you think they come from all over the world any do that crap here….they sure as hell cant do it at home. Please tell me about these “US Guest laws” you are talking about. Never heard… Read more »
GinnyLee
Guest
I understand the ‘work’ part, David. ‘Not questioning your intent. Also, understand the “don’t offend” – aka “PC” of America [which I disagree with on many, many levels]. However, ‘we all’ don’t kiss-ass. Some of us push back and will not be railroaded by the intruders of our civil and Constitutional rights. If ‘they’ can live here and keep out of our business. Fine. But, if they want to cause trouble, and use our laws and good will to do it, “we” will come against them. My use of “guest laws” was tongue-in-cheek… meaning that “they” have no regard, let… Read more »
Dustin Bennett
Guest

Thanks for the support David, but I feel we may be beating our heads on a brick wall for nothing.

David Alexander
Guest

It’s all good Dustin….these attitudes are why America is in the shape it is in. Uneducated, narrow minded people are……well it is a waste of time talking to them.

Jamie Bennett
Guest

Nice last name. 😛

Jamie Bennett
Guest

I would rather be that “ignorant American” instead of participating in a religion I have zero respect for.

Dustin Bennett
Guest

Once again, we are not being forced to participate in the religion. It is however, the law here and we can be fined for eating or drinking in public during the daylight hours. As with any country that allows us to establish a military base on their soil, we do our best to respect the laws, customs and traditions of the host nation. There is a HUGE difference in showing respect to your host and participating in their religion/culture.

cdb5556
Guest

Funny how our military is over there PROTECTING these rich emirate countries from MUSLIM nutcase fringe groups like ISIS…and yet WE are the ones that have to be trained to fit in.

Dale Stout
Guest

Colonel West could you please tell us what if anything you know about U.N. troop movements within our national borders?

Rafael X
Guest

Nada. Or maybe he’ll link to Sundance.

Pam
Guest

We are over to save their bacon and we have to kiss their behinds. I would never set foot off base . There is not one American life that is worth saving these people.
I realize this is just sensitivity training from our cultural view point, but to these people the perception is submission to their superiority.

Rafael X
Guest

If Georges W Bush had performed Petty Officer 1st Class James Ramirez’s due diligence Iraq would not be the quagmire it is today.

Rafael X
Guest

Allen West is like the guy who only learns the dirty words of a foreign languague and would have people believe he speaks it fluently. “dhimmitude” that’s a good one.

AddisonDewitt
Guest

Oh yes because elbows are so sexually attractive….

David Alexander
Guest

Wow, another politician distorting the truth, imagine that. As a former military commander, he knows he is twisting the truth. I am giving serious thought to my support of Allen West.

Trucker
Guest

Col. west is right and President Osama Obama is an Ungodly Muslim.

David Alexander
Guest

The Retired LTC has done what he set out to do….incite a d enrage a bunch of uneducated, narrow minded liberals posing at conservatives.

Paulonthe400
Guest

Educate yourself David. Jihad comes in many forms. It means “struggle”. Any advantage gained over the Kafir is seen as a victory. Using our tolerance against us

Ken Brooks
Guest

This “religion” has done NOTHING but try to PROMOTE… their “peaceful and loving/caring” propaganda, all the while… their EXTREME RELIGIOUS FANATICS… are raping, decapitation
Their ‘enemies’… infidel, Christians, …etc…etc… (goats, sheep☺)… and the ‘non extremists’, tout their ‘indignation’ towards the ‘radicals’… albeit IT IS THEIR DUTY TO LIE AND DECEIVE INFIDELS… AS A MATTER OF DOGMA… and made , cripple, subjugate their OWN WOMEN AND CHILDREN… Toleration of their ‘RELIGION’,
ONLY TO THEM IS SEEN AS WEAKNESS, something to be used to their ADVANTAGE…
“HISTORY FORGOTTEN IS BORN D TO BE REPEATED!!!”

Dan Beliveau
Guest
In the 80’s I was working in Saudi Arabia. We were separated behind a partition on the military base I worked on to be able to eat and drink during the day. As long as we were respectful nobody got upset. It the evenings the town [Dahran] got lively by Saudi standards. But I did see a couple men being beaten in the square on a Friday for breaking the law about intake. I know that we aren’t part of their Pagan Religion but we are told not to offend if possible. I learned a lot about Islam first hand… Read more »
Reba
Guest

The problem is, “Our Military” is no longer “Our Military.”

Dan Beliveau
Guest
Our military is changing because the Generals who have some backbone are being removed. Obummer is doing his best to weaken it as much as possible. But I know a few who are serving and see some of the finest people I know. Many of them are more professional then when I served. this breakdown didn’t start with Obummer, he’s just moving it along faster than before. I support our troops because their still defending the U.S. and many are dieing or being wounded, but it will come a time when everyone may have to worry about them. Especially since… Read more »
Reba
Guest

I will always support “Our Military”, but he is decimating it. I know many that are leaving because of him. I just wish they would arrest this administration.

Paula Kate Mez
Guest

Our American Troops are not Muslims so it is ludicrous that they are being FORCED to listen to this Islamic crap.

Dan Beliveau
Guest
You are correct but you also don’t understand that their in a Country where Ramadan is the law. No matter how much we don’t agree it’s still the law there. We aren’t there as occupiers but as quests. Although we don’t enforce many of our laws here, it’s still something we should follow. I can’t believe I’m defending this but it’s something I lived with when I was in Saudi Arabia. The only hope of turning a Muslim is with education about the true God. It’s not going to happen if we get in their faces. Of course I’m not… Read more »
firftrmark
Guest

The law is sharia ,which is their religion and I have no respect for their religion and never will . Respect for the 3000 dead Americans that died for no other reason than sharia trumps the barbarians expected respect for such religion and they can go F themselves!

Dustin Bennett
Guest

Bahrain is not under sharia law.

firftrmark
Guest

When will everyone one of them get down on their knees and face The U.S. And pray for the 3000 that died on 9/11 in the name of the very same culture we are training our military to respect! And I do not give a F what Bahrain is!

Dustin Bennett
Guest

If you don’t give a F what Bahrain is then go away. Bahrain is the subject matter of the article you are commenting on. Jeeze, I am surrounded by ignorance.

Andy Martin
Guest
[[ You are correct but you also don’t understand that their in a Country where Ramadan is the law ]] Yet we have twisted our laws here to accommodate Muslims as we exclude Christianity being taught to our children. Please…………… Public School Promotes 5 Pillars of Islam | Todd Starnes radio.foxnews.com › Home › Top Stories Fox News Radio Aug 19, 2013 – The large exhibit was erected before the start of the school year as part of a religion component being taught at Minneha Core Knowledge … Parent of 4th Grader Writes Letter of Outrage over Islam … freedomoutpost.com/…/fourth-grader-parents-letter-outrage-islam-taught…… Read more »
Dan Beliveau
Guest
Andy I am sorry that you misunderstood my comments. Although I can understand why. But let me make myself clear. 1st I am a Christian and know that any religion outside of Christ leads to damnation. Islam is a vulgar whore that is destroying societies it’s allowed to flourish in. As far as I’m concerned Obummer is just in the closet and some day may be declared their caliphate in charge of the religion. All I tried to convey is that in an Islamic country people need to try and respect their laws, but maybe show God’s real truth. If… Read more »
Andy Martin
Guest

Understood and I agree with all you said.

My point was about respecting laws over there while we crap all over our laws here. In our schools Christianity bad, Islam good even though the public schools denounce teaching religion period.

I would prefer we extract from the region and let hem kill each other if I had my druthers.

Dan Beliveau
Guest

As long as Obummer keeps importing so many and judges allow even a little of Sharia Law to be enforced, we will sink down the same hole Europe is getting into. I am afraid he has done so much damage we might not be able to stop whats been done. Considering that most of our political leaders seem to not follow the Constitution it makes sense that we are becoming such a reprobate nation.

Andy Martin
Guest

The differences is the citizens of this nation will push back hard. Not like Europe who thinks a group hug will make Muslims like them.

Reba
Guest

The Middle East knows nothing different. Since the beginning of time they have been at war and will always be. They will never change or confirm to “Our Country”.

MotherBatherick
Guest

For years now I have been polite to Muslims visiting and/or living in our country but anymore, nah….

khadijah
Guest

As a muslim living in USA for over 10 years, I have been “indoctrinated” in the Judeo-Christian ways and I have had Christmas trees in my house, and I wished my friends and coworkers Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Holidays etc and I observe my faith with no issues. As the Americans like to say to foreigners, if you don’t like it, go back to where you come from!! If you don’t care for understanding local culture, the US troops should go back to where they come from.

namvet
Guest

I wish our troops would come home. If our troops pulled out many countries we help may fall to the enemy within. Just a thought.

The_Patriot
Guest

You’re also a liar. You are no more a muslim than Dwight D. Eisenhower. You’re a very poor example of a troll. No issues? I see plenty of issues, You lack intelligence, faith in what a goat humping, child molesting, 8 year old raper, honor killing, false pretentious a deity called mohammad

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ If you don’t care for understanding local culture, the US troops should go back to where they come from. ]]

Agreed. We should pull our troops and let all of you goat humpers, head choppers, women stoners, amputators, female genital mutilation lovers, kidnappers, 70 virgin luvin’ excrement kill each other.

khadijah
Guest

Agree to agree. Can’t wait for this to happen so that my tax dollars are not wasted any more on World Policing

firftrmark
Guest

Indoctrinated ?No one forced you to put a Christmas tree in your house ! No one has forced you to do or observe a damned thing!

khadijah
Guest

Nobody forced the US troops to move into Bahrain, or forced to observe a damned thing. They can go home if they want to.

firftrmark
Guest

You mean they are told they are being deployed there and they have the right to deny ? Not when i was in the service , you were told were you were going and you went . What is so upsetting to them if someone is drinking a cup of coffee? It is just not Muslims ,I eat meat on fridays during lent, and no one is caring about me eating meat.

Dustin Bennett
Guest

Ramadan Kareem. Thank you for showing it is possible to show respect to other cultures without losing your own.

Dustin Bennett
Guest

For those of you who still think we are being forced to participate in Ramadan, below is the link to the U.S. 5th Fleet’s official Ramadan guidance. Read it then tell me where it says I MUST observe Muslim faiths.

http://www.cusnc.navy.mil/ramadan/ramadan.html

firftrmark
Guest

They can stick their ramagoat up theirs! Appeasement does nothing but show weakness! It all starts at the top . It is the only religion that IS trying to force views onto others. Will the USA ever be strong again after these 8 years?

majorwiblit
Guest

Christian Fundies at home are trying to ram their religion down people’s throats
and those crazy Creationist too…no wonder we rank so bad in education
in the world

Ned Fowler
Guest

You mean, “No wonder we rank so BADLY in education…” and it would be even more proper if you’d have said, “It’s no wonder THAT we rank so POORLY in education….” When you criticize education standards, it’s generally a good idea to display that you’ve been adequately educated.

firftrmark
Guest

Please give a example of what they are trying to ram down your throat. Has their been a discovery on how the human cell came about that I am not aware of? Because some that have a religious belief they should not have to fund the atrocities of the leftist loons it is considered pushing their beliefs? The reason our education so woefully poor is directly associated with the leftist loon policies that know what’s best for everyone else.

majorwiblit
Guest
“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell… And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.” -Paul Broun,Ranking Republican Member of the House Science Committee (he was removed,,,along with that other idiot,,Todd(woman can shut it down)Akin These people have no place on a Science Committee, Flat-Earthers,Science deniers,who practice “KnowNothingism” A lot of these people believe that the Bible trumps the Constitution,,it does not!! Religious Right groups and their… Read more »
Ned Fowler
Guest

But YOU just showed – YOURSELF – that we DON’T have that same crap here!… and you PROVED IT by using the Constitution! Read your own post! Surely you can see how convoluted and backwards your thinking is!

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ So you talk about Islam,,,and we have the same crap,,right here at home ]]

Try this you idiot. Stand outside your home and attack Christianity. Then go to Fallujah and attack Islam.

firftrmark
Guest

And yet there is no one forcing anything on anyone that has the power to do so. Because there are a few minority groups that would want that it is not so. As I see nothing giving any special recognition to Christianity . Nothing! Like a child crying that did not get hurt! What you see is elusions created by the leftist loons that perceive a harm that has not happened.

majorwiblit
Guest

And yet in places like LA, MS, GA, it is being forced upon the youth..

Ned Fowler
Guest

Forced? Really? Or just taught? They – or anyone – can reject those teachings at ANY time and they are protected by a more powerful set of laws (for now). I’m an atheist and I guarantee you that the teachings of Islam pose a far greater threat to our Constitutional freedom than anything put forth by Christian churches or Jewish synagogues. You’re focus of concern is misdirected.

Andy Martin
Guest

More inanities from the local atheist.

majorwiblit
Guest

“Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.”
― Robert A. Heinlein

Really all I’m saying is that it is creeping into our government
and we all,,both left and right should be afraid of it’s consequences..

Andy Martin
Guest

Just be honest lefty. You have a seething hatred for Christians and their belief system.

majorwiblit
Guest

I don’t,,,really,,,I have no problem with people of faith,,be it
church on Sunday,,temple on Saturday,,or any other religion practiced on any other day of the week…
but I do have a problem with the way the “Christian Right” has
crept into our government,,

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ I don’t,,,really,,,I have no problem with people of faith,,be it church on Sunday,,temple on Saturday,,or any other religion practiced on any other day of the week.]]

So as long as people express their faith on your terms, it;s okay? That’s funny.

[[ but I do have a problem with the way the “Christian Right” has crept into our government, ]]

We understand. Your hatred of Christians is well documented.

majorwiblit
Guest

It’s obvious to me that trying talk with you is futile..
so I will stop now,,,and leave you all with your hate, and ignorance..

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ hate, and ignorance………………..}}

Is all you have. Get professional help.

majorwiblit
Guest

I must say you’re really swell at copy and paste
run along child,,,it’s a nice day,,go out and play,,,get some
fresh air,,,hang up your tin-foil hat,,and climb out from your bunker…
carry on…..

Andy Martin
Guest

[[ I must say you’re really swell at copy and paste ]]

Deflection.

[[ run along child ]]

Talk nice to your father.

[[ t’s a nice day,,go out and play,,,get some fresh air,,and climb out from your bunker…]]

Likewise junior.

[[ hang up your tin-foil hat ]]

Change your diaper.

[[ carry on…]]

Keep hating Christians.

majorwiblit
Guest

I find it real cute how you just copy and paste what I wrote..
as if I forgot or something,,,and you need to refresh my memory
too much trolling and watching fox spews has made you null and void,,,and reminds me what 12 yr olds do..
very sad :>( , sad indeed…
but there’s help out there,,if you want it..

Andy Martin
Guest
[[ I find it real cute how you just copy and paste what I wrote..as if I forgot or something ]] I find it typical of your ilk to go after the messenger instead of the message. Did I hit a nerve? [[ and you need to refresh my memory ]] I will help you as much as possible. [[ and reminds me what 12 yr olds do..very sad :>( , sad indeed…]] Says the 12YO who posts :>( [[ but there’s help out there,,if you want it..]] New International Version You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your… Read more »
majorwiblit
Guest

I always see you epazote,,,but never see you 🙂

epazote
Guest

Top of the morning major
I do a lot more reading than commenting. Am numbed by the wilful ignorance of the rightwing and christofascists posting across a number of Discus sites.
Just for fun next Saturday, I’m going to make a trip to Tijuana to watch the “Murcan Spring” try closing the San Ysidro border crossing…the view will be great from the elevated pedestrian bridge on the Mexican side. I’ll post a first hand account on the site where we congregate 😉

majorwiblit
Guest

ty epazote,,,and will look forward to it :>)
yep ‘ murican spring,,,they come out in the tens,,lol
see you around!

The_Patriot
Guest

You are a shining example of the poor education. Go back to school

majorwiblit
Guest

G….I didn’t get indoctrinated to the “Christian” way of looking
at things,,,sad for me,,huh?

Andy Martin
Guest

True. Instead you’ve indoctrinated yourself with hatred of those you disagree with.

majorwiblit
Guest

you have a lot of nerve talking about hatred..
the things I read here,,,the nasty comments I see,,the hate
the ignorance,,,the slurs to one group or another..

Andy Martin
Guest

Wipe the spittle off your monitor atheist and look in the mirror. It takes a special kind of idiot to equate your freedom of religion here with the topic of the article.

The_Patriot
Guest

You did get indoctrinated, that’s the shame. You can’t think for yourself, you espouse everything that you hear on MSM. The shame is you don’t use your head for more than a hat rack

David Hodges
Guest

Isn’t “dhimmitude” used to opt out of Obamacare? It seems to me that the same principle should apply to Christians. Doesn’t Proverbs 21:31 say, “…safety is of The Lord”? Doesn’t Deuteronomy 7:15 say, “And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.”?

Ned Fowler
Guest

You have it exactly backwards. Obamacare would be the “dhimmitude” here, forcing other cultures to conform to ridiculous laws. Opting out of a hegemony is merely one culture trying to preserve its own integrity; thereby maintaining “diversity” and “multi-culturalism.” I’m an atheist, and I’d prefer to see the tyranny of Obamacare crushed… completely.

David Hodges
Guest

An email that was flying around the internet said, “ObamaCare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States. Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be ‘gambling,’ ‘risk-taking,’ and ‘usury’ and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this.”

But, according to this source: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/30/chain-email/dhimmitude-page-107-health-care-law-exempts-muslim/, that’s a bunch of bunk. This just goes to show how much we should believe all the emails.

Ned Fowler
Guest
I never got any emails, but according to your link “dhimmitude” is a tax… which is also what the Supreme Court ruled on Obamacare. We’re being forced to pay a tax under the guise that it’s for our own protection. I believe the Supreme Court’s decision was a terrible one, but they’ve been doing a lot of that this century. The 2005 ruling on Eminent Domain was the worst Anti-Liberty ruling ever made! That is, until they idiotically ruled that forcing people to purchase private health insurance was somehow a “tax.” I don’t know which is worse. Both decisions may… Read more »
David Hodges
Guest

Our local government declared that trash cans can be placed in front of everyone’s house and the monthly bill, if unpaid, is added to the property tax. But what’s really disappointing is that hardly anyone will object to such tyranny.

Ned Fowler
Guest

The perfect example of how socialism works, but it only works at the familial and community levels… where EVERYONE has to contribute exactly EQUALLY, with no anonymity in the system. Further, I have no doubts that if someone in a community was properly disposing of their waste in a manner that didn’t impose on others, they could easily go to their local court and obtain an exemption from such a tax.

Rafael X
Guest
If it’s such a hassle to know and understand and respect their culture why don’t we just get the hell out? Oh yeah we need their oil that’s why. Or else why would we spent 300 milions to expand our bases there surely not to help them but to help ourselves. Makes sense to protect that investment by training our soldiers on who they are dealing with and to understand the environment they’re in. Seems more like due diligence then religious indoctrination. I find Allen West doesn’t have much confidence in the American spirit if he’s so afraid of cultural… Read more »
majorwiblit
Guest
Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil. young american men and women,,,not so much….. From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West’s largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq. So have a slew of American oil service companies, including Halliburton, the Texas-based firm Dick Cheney ran before becoming George W. Bush’s running mate in 2000. The war is the one and only reason for this long sought and newly acquired access. Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly… Read more »
Muriel Lincoln
Guest

USA did not get any of Iraq’s Oil. It has gone mostly to China & Russia.

Ned Fowler
Guest

Why are you pissing on oil? Outside of human ingenuity, oil is BY FAR the most important, most valuable, most powerful, and most abundant resource human history has ever had the pleasure to enjoy – including you! Prove me wrong.

Reba
Guest

Then what is the real reason today? We get very little from them now and if this administration had approved the Keystone Pipeline, we would be totally self-sufficient.

majorwiblit
Guest

From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West’s largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq …..
….= “Our Interests”
and we give them billions in subsidies,,, while our
infrastructure crumbles….

Reba
Guest

Sounds about right, doesn’t it? I wonder how long it’s going to take Americans, to start raising hell about Gas prices and this administration not allowing Keystone Pipeline to start.

majorwiblit
Guest

We can develop wind and solar,,,but look who is dumping
big monies in to stop it,,,the Koch Bros.
In Kansas, OK, and everywhere,,follow the money,,
and coal is on its way out,,,no matter what McConnell says..

Ned Fowler
Guest
Nobody is dumping big money to stop it! Do you know how ludicrous that sounds??? You’re trying to sell us this lark that these greedy big money people are dumping big money to stop a “green” industry that could make them big money? (if it were only viable) Sorry, if they were truly greedy and had all that money backing them, they’d be capitalizing on wind and solar! No one’s trying to bury it! The problem IS…an electric vehicles has yet to be created that can haul a truckload of heavy cargo 400 miles and refuel in 10 minutes. They… Read more »
Billy D.
Guest
Talk about a biased story. I was stationed in Bahrain last year. Yes, we did have to wear longer clothes during the Holiday and we were told not to eat or drink in public during the day. But, for most troops, those rules are non-existent on base and inside our residences out in town. Every one stationed on the base goes through base indoc which includes a session on Islamic culture and beliefs. But, even as a born again Christian, I would hardly say it was proselytizing. It was factual based not preaching. Use your critical thinking skills and see… Read more »
namvet
Guest

Well taken.

majorwiblit
Guest
good post….. I have learned that there isn’t an abundance of critical thinking here… Allen could be positive,,and put forth ideas or concepts to “rally the people” to do some good,,and take some steps forward,,,but he choose’s just to throw red meat to an ignorant base,,and get people jumping up and down and screaming about Obama,,,and how everything that is wrong here,,the world,,,the known universe,,is somehow his fault,,all the conspiracist seem to love it here…. But,,,it is his site,,and what he chooses to post,,,and the aftermath that comes from it are his doing I am learning just to say what… Read more »
namvet
Guest

How’s the red meat taste maj?