5 questions to ask a liberal progressive

Greetings from our nation’s Capitol where I am to speak this afternoon at the Faith and Freedom Coalition. And as always, I enjoyed a nice early morning 5-mile run from the bat cave over to the D.C. mall — doggone it is more humid up here than South Florida.

As I was pounding the pavement, I came up with a list of questions I’d like to pose to a liberal progressive. Well, for every mile it seems I came up with one — glad I didn’t try running 8 miles this morning!

Here you go:

1. If former President George W. Bush was un-American for adding $4 trillion to the national debt, then what is President Barack Hussein Obama who is on his way to adding $8 trillion — and still has two more years to go? Yep, under Obama the national debt has risen from $10.67 trillion to almost $17.5 trillion.

2. If as Obama states, “we leave no man behind,” then what of Marine Sergeant Andrew Tahmooressi, Pastor Saeed Abedini and Kenneth Bae — not to mention still-imprisoned Meriam Yahia Ibrahim — who had her chains removed after giving birth to her daughter, Maya? (And by the way, she is still under a death sentence under Sharia law for marrying a Christian). Nah, those folks don’t help Obama’s political agenda and certainly aren’t as important as recognizing illegal immigrant children “dreamers” at the White House.

3. When the average price of gasoline hit $2.50 a gallon, liberals and their media accomplices went apoplectic (you may have to define that word to a liberal friend) on George W. Bush. Why so silent now, when it’s $3.67?

4. If the late and former President Richard Nixon resigned over a bad case of “breaking and entering” (and the liberal media made a big hoopla over that), what does it take for Barack Hussein Obama to consider the same? Or does the color of skin trump content of character in America now? By the way, I’m planning on my computer crashing next year around tax return time.

5. If it is racist to disagree with the proven failed policies of Barry Soetoro, oops, I mean Barack Hussein Obama, then what is it when liberal progressives disrespect, dismiss, denigrate, demean, disparage, discredit and seek to destroy black conservative Republicans? Funny, all those “D” words come from the Democrat party. Don’t believe me, just look for the responses to this post from liberal progressives (so predictable).

Now, just so you’re aware, be careful when asking these questions to be outside the range of spittle and frothing of the mouth. As well, stand clear so as not to be struck by a liberal progressives wild arm-flinging tantrums as they throw themselves on the floor in a mad rage. These are the telltale symptoms of liberals exposed to the truth — similar to exposing vampires to light. But know that this reaction affirms you are right on the issues and confirms the liberal progressive inability to intellectually respond.

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Andy Martin
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Talk to a liberal? LOL!

JulioVazquez
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Yeah, it’s called tolerance. Maybe you would know what that word meant if you climbed out from under that conservative rock.

Mister_Jim
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Tolerance? As in nothing Christian in our society anymore because we have to appease the Muslims? Suing businesses into bankruptcy because the owners have Christian beliefs? Murdering innocent unborn children because they might be inconvenient? That’s real tolerant. You libs can’t see past your noses, (maybe that’s because you keep putting them where they don’t belong).

Byron Shutt
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You mean the tolerance shown to Black, Hispanic and Women Conservatives?

Andy Martin
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You mean tolerance like this?

if you climbed out from under that conservative rock

Thanks for making my point moron.

Terry Griffith
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I’d rather be bitten by a snake. It’s safer!

Dawn Shockley
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Talk to a liberal? Why, yes, you can. But, you need to use small words.

Byron Shutt
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Single syllables when possible.

Andy Martin
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Yeah………… blame bush blame bush blame bush blame bush blame bush blame bush blame bush

Philanthropussy
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how convenient. And will the republicans blame Obama for anything after he leaves?

Andy Martin
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I doubt it. Reagan didn’t piss all over Carter after he had ‘inherited’ his mess. It’s the left that has sniveling down to a science.

Philanthropussy
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I guess presidential candidate Reagan never said “the econ is bad, but don’t blame Carter. He’s just misunderstood bec he has lots of really good ideas!!”

Andy Martin
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Reagan never mentioned Carter. Look it up kid. Reagan had much higher unemployment than this POS we have in office now. Pick up a history book.

Philanthropussy
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No, you are right. Reagan took the high road. That said, this is 20 years later and things are different in politics . Plus, please show me where Obama directly blamed Bush for the Econ he inherited? Demos , media may have , but that’s different.

Andy Martin
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30 years later kid. [[ Plus, please show me where Obama directly blamed Bush for the Econ he inherited? Demos , media may have , but that’s different.]] You’ve got to be kidding……………. Five years later, Obama again blames Bush – Hernando Today hernandotoday.com/…/list/…/five-years-later-obama-ag… Hernando Today Aug 12, 2013 – Anyone who has even bothered to read my columns over the last decade-plus knows I was never a huge fan of George W. Bush. I have always … Obama Back to Blaming Bush, Says Closing ‘Income Gap’ is … http://www.ijreview.com/…/70911-president-obama-back-to-blaming-bush-say... A Father Saying How He Would Spend A Perfect Day… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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I can’t upload these websites. I wouldn’t accept them anyway bec those websites are not creditable . When I search the web for info to prove my point, I always look for sites from a well known site. Something everyone can agree on, sorry.
That said, if iObama is blaming Bush iis passing the buck , then why are the reps doing the same ? What excuse are they giving ?

Mister_Jim
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Have you been asleep for the past 5 years? Maybe you haven’t had access to the Internet, TV or radio during this time?
I don’t need to look it up (except to prove to people with bad memories), The HNIC has been blaming Bush from the beginning,

Philanthropussy
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I’m sorry. Sometimes the service in my cave goes down. I’m a survivalist living in isolation waiting for the Econ to crash. I will love to tell you where I am, but I’ve been told to shot the head off everyone I don’t know.

Mister_Jim
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You might as well be living in a cave if you’re ignoring all that happens around you. Do you always do what you’re told or are you attempting to try to learn how to think for yourself? You can try to shot someone’s head off, but when you miss you’ll quickly find out that some targets can shot back. (Some can even shoot back). Be careful, if the voices telling you what to do tell you that you don’t know yourself you’ll have to shot your own head off. Then your fun will be over, you won’t be able to… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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I will give your message to our cult leader . Excuse me I have to go. It’s time for group flogging .

Mister_Jim
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You must have some strange ways in your cult.
Do you flog your own or do you flog someone else’s while he flogs yours? Or maybe everyone reaches to the left or right,like a real circle jerk?
Never mind, I don’t want to know.

Philanthropussy
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I find your post crass and intensive. We are women devoted to our faith and live each day to serve with love and compassion . We are women who keep our bodies strong, free. We don’t believe in restrictions so clothing are useless. Unity is important so we do as much as possible in a group inc sleeping and bathing . You would never be welcomed.

Mister_Jim
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I had no idea that you’re female and I didn’t suspect you were in a cult. I now strongly suspect that you are yanking my chain, (That’s not intended as an insult, I truly believe that you are toying with me). If you are serious and being straightforward with me, I apologize if I’ve offended you. If you are toying with me I’ll admit that I’ve been taken by a troll, either way I’m walking away from this discussion.

Philanthropussy
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Sounds like a plan

Andy Martin
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That’s okay Obamite. I understand why you won;t read my links. Truth is a problem for lefties.

[[ if iObama is blaming Bush iis passing the buck , then why are the reps doing the same ? What excuse are they giving ? ]]

Hey dumb-ass. Obama is in charge. He gets the blame.

Philanthropussy
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Hey ONEWHOPAYSATTENTION2DuMBASSES- do you want me to show you some wacky website I found buried on the web to make my point ? Or something we both can agree on? Where’s the truth is BS?
2) can liberals blame the next republican president? You people won’t pout and whine.?

Andy Martin
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[[ Hey ONEWHOPAYSATTENTION2DuMBASSES ]]

Don’t be so hard on yourself.

[[ do you want me to show you some wacky website I found buried on the web to make my point ? Or something we both can agree on? Where’s the truth is BS? ]]

Refute any of my links or quit crying.

[[ can liberals blame the next republican president? You people won’t pout and whine.? ]]

Liberals always blame others. They are gutless weasels who never take responsibility. Just look at Obama.

Philanthropussy
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So Reagan never mentioned the Econ while running? What candidate never mentions the Econ ?

Andy Martin
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LOL! So now you change horses and talk about campaigning? So you’re saying Obama is still campaigning? I agree.

Philanthropussy
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That was over 20 years ago. Politics is different.
Plus, Republicans are blaming Obama for the Iraq mess, when Obama clearly stated he was following rules set up by Bush. I guess FOX was covering something else when Bush made that statement.

Andy Martin
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Obama wanted out of Iraq period. He didn’t even negotiate the SOFA agreement like he was supposed to. Now Maliki wants us back and Obama comes-a-runnin’? Please.

Philanthropussy
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Sorry, but the Iraqis wanted us OUT.. AGAIN AGSIN Again , Maliki was not willing to provide legal protection. Not put soliders in hostile anti Amer environment that was growing in Iraq.
As for Obama coming to their rescue, we should stay out ? The republicans would kill him.

Andy Martin
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[[ Sorry, but the Iraqis wanted us OUT.]]

Really? Now they want us back in.

[[ Maliki was not willing to provide legal protection.]]

Says who? Obama? Obama never negotiated SOFA and countered Maliki. But we’re back now. I wonder if protection was discussed. Fool.

Andy Martin
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Obama is in office moron! He gets the blame because he f–ked up on Iraq and he knows it! Why do you think he’s sending troops back in? LOL! Idiot libtard.

Charles Singleman
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And speak slowly.

Nancy Pryor
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You were even being generous with item 1 since our national debt is now over 18 Trillion so definitely Obama has added more than what you said.

William Torpey
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Love it. Clear, concise, and to the point. Liberals hate when you do that.

Charlie'
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I’ve tried talking to a liberal, they continue to repeat what they’re being fed by the lap-dog media. Must be some strong kool-aid… They are incapable of discussion of substance, only resort to empty attacks & name calling.

heyblinken
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The Liberals have been carefully trained by the indoctrination centers that were once our public schools; they are trained to HEAR a topic, RESPOND with talking points, REPEAT. They do not even hear the question most of the time, just the topic, and do not think outside the talking points.

hvac1
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Obama seems to have selective amnesia when it comes to remembering what he said before he was elected….Most of us could see directly through all the hype on hope and change coming from a community organizer who was doing no more then promising he was going to share the wealth of those in this country that work hard to earn it, because they didn’t earn it by themselves. Now he is working on the change he promised, America will not be the same now that he is giving it away to anyone that can cross our border illegally

Mack
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And the personal attacks from the Liberals will begin in 3… 2… 1…

Philanthropussy
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is there a number after 1, bec no liberal have attacked.

Mack
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(Here’s one:)

“Ever notice how retards think it’s every one else who are retards? Given that stupidity is just a refusal to think, and the the use of an antagonistic word for no other purpose than to be antagonistic with out any thought what so ever, I guess all I can do is quote one of your intellectual superiors, Forrest Gump: “Stupid is as stupid does”………. the thing is, if you want to be stupid, that’s cool. But do you really have to advertise it?”

(Here’s another one:)
“You need to be thrown through a wood chipper.”

Now, go back to bed…

Philanthropussy
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Such violence. What do I accept from someone with nothing valuable to add to any conversation. Did I mention the words retards, stupidity, or harass anyone? NO, I answered West questions and answered, with respect, all who questioned me. Please show me when I didn’t do it?
But, you Mack distorted my every word and spit your crazy out to me. Good for you for being a fool.

Mack
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I didn’t say that you mentioned any of those things.You asked for examples of LIberals attacking Colonel West, so I gave you just a couple. What is your problem now?

Distorted your every word? I didn’t quote a darn thing you said.

*scratches head…

Go away, little troll…

Philanthropussy
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actually, I ask for examples were I insulted people. But you see what you want, right?

Mack
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You didn’t ask that at first…

Philanthropussy said:
“is there a number after 1, bec no liberal have attacked.”

Then, I gave you some examples of Liberals attacking.

Then,
Philanthropussy said:
“But, you Mack distorted my every word and spit your crazy out to me. Good for you for being a fool.”

Mack said:
“I didn’t say that ***YOU*** mentioned any of those things.You asked for EXAMPLES of LIberals attacking Colonel West [IN YOUR FIRST POST], so I gave you just a couple.”

I didn’t distort anything. Please try to improve your reading comprehension.

Philanthropussy
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Please try to keep current. That article was written 6/19. That was how many days and articles ago? You except me remember or go back and read everything I wrote about the subject? Thanks for controlling my day. Let’s try to keep it within this week.

Mack
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“except me remember”?
*expect me to remember…

My initial post WAS a month ago. What’s your point?

All of the posts are listed in chronological order. Are you having difficulty following the conversation?

I don’t have time to follow your replies this article (and others) on a daily or weekly basis. I have a business to run. Sorry I don’t have more time to devote to your rants and raves.

See you next week…

Philanthropussy
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so does that mean you are crawling back into the hole you share with your snake BFF?

Mack
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Snake? You are hallucinating again. Take a break from the drugs (or whatever else is causing it) for a while.

No. It means I have to make out the payroll checks tomorrow. Have you ever signed the front of one?

Your personal attacks are rather immature…

BFF???

Bravely
Fostering
Freedom?

Philanthropussy
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BFF-
B**t
FU**KING
F***OT

Mack
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Oh, so now you can add “homophobe” and “gay-basher” to your list of accomplishments. How nice…

Sorry, but I am straight and happily married.

Philanthropussy
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I thought guys loved lesbians ? With dildos?

Mack
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“…the hole you share with your snake BFF?”

“B**t
FU**KING
F***OT”

Doesn’t sound like any sort of lesbian thing going on there.
Nice try, though…

Some guys do love lesbians, but it seems to me it would only be a unidirectional relationship, since lesbians want nothing to do with men, other than to sucker them into buying them a couple of drinks…

GehirnerweichungNein
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Become amer’can president soon and bring some common into the republic!
Hope you would leave Ukraine and Russia alone and would take care of the US’s financaces instead.
That’s me talking: a prisoner of the Euro …

TXranger55
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Libtards live in a subjective and myopic bubble. Rational thinking is impossible in a vacuum.

wbd
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Liberals do not have the capacity to argue from an intellectual point of view. Their entire being is based on emotion, i.e., “I feel” “I’m offended!” “I’m outraged” “the government needs to step in and right this wrong.” etc.

Dawnella
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They have been taught that truth is relative; that there is no “right” or “wrong” and everything decided is based upon what is expedient and beneficial for the moment. They only have their emotions to govern themselves which results in a narcissistic behavior…….”men become lovers of themselves and not of God”. This is Godlessness.

KJinWTexas
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Also prepare to be called every ugly name they can think of – they usually start there because they have no logical response. If you can talk to one long enough to actually ask 5 questions, you’re tougher than I am.

Mark
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KJ, I know exactly what you mean. I mentioned something to someone on FB. She responded with FU, You white trash MFer. ON and ON. Then said, Obama is a good president and you are a piece of trash. I just responded, this proves my point. Can’t put facts to facts to your resort to trash talk, typical liberal. Then I stop saying anything else to her. They are pathetic.

ReverendSharpton
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If a liberal calls me racist for criticizing Obama, I tell them I supported Herman Cain during his campaign and that Obama is half white on his mother’s side.

That usually shuts them up.

Philanthropussy
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Great, you supported Cain, the shirt chaser.
And what does Obama being bi racial have to do with anything? Is he somehow discredited for being an incomplete black person? Do we need to DNA perspective presidential candidates? You know, if a black person isn’t as dark as a kidnapped Nigerian school girl, odds are they have white blood in them. (Would you like to know how it got there????)

Mister_Jim
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I’ve supported black politicians in the past and I will in the future, it has nothing to do with them being black, (partially or completely), and everything to do with agreeing with their political and moral position. When someone calls me racist because I don’t like Obama I tell them I don’t like his white half either, that’s a common and honest reply. I don’t like Obama and it’s not because he’s black, or half black, or half white. I don’t like his policies, ideals and political opinions. Stating that I supported someone else who is black doesn’t necessarily prove… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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That’s nice, but what does have to do with me ? My post was in reply for someone else.

Mister_Jim
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You’re directly involved in trolling a conversation that is racist based and you did indeed mention bi-racial and black in your previous post, that’s a direct reference to racism, isn’t it? Especially in the context of this discussion. If you’re going to play the part of a troll you have to expect to get replies to your vitriol. And while we’re on the subject of “What does that have to do with….?” , what does Herman Cain being a shirt chaser have to do with anyone being called racist because they don’t like Obama? Yes, you did bring that into… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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You need to ask reverendsharpton why he thinks voting for Cain wound shut up a liberal.
I answered every question without being vile or racial. You people are attributing all kinds of crazy on me.
How is mentioning bi racial and blackness racist?
BTW, these are some of the other names I use-
Orgasmdonor
Blackfriendly
Wronghole
Liberallyperfumed

Mister_Jim
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I personally haven’t attributed any crazy on you. (At least not that I’ve shared with others, I’m keeping my opinion to myself). You are involved in a discussion that includes a race based subject, with many ideas and exchanges being presented. This type of discussion can get interesting or it can get downright vile. I try to stay within the realm of interesting. You are staying away from disparaging words but you are still part of the discussion, just like I am and your thoughts & opinions are apparent, (Not obvious, mind you, but apparent. There is a difference.) I… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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In my first post, I never mentioned race. LOOK IT UP. I did say blk rep and blk people. That’s not racist as I recall, since I’m using blk as identification. Like you say liberal and troll.

“Or does the color of skin trump content of character in America now? ” That’s from West. He was talking about Obama.
I don’t min d people asking me questions, but not attacks. If attacked I will hit back. Esp when words are attributed to me that I did not say.
So, please cut and paste my racist statements!!!!!!!!!!

Mister_Jim
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Speaking of “look it up”! I didn’t attribute any words to you that you didn’t use, look it up. I said that you mentioned black and bi-racial in a conversation that’s about racism. I didn’t say anything about you making racist statements. Copy and post anything that you see where I said you made any racist statements. I’m not attacking you, I’m simply replying to your statements. I’m keeping it polite and simple. You’re trying pretty hard to find something to be offended by but lo and behold, there’s nothing there that a normal person would be offended by. Keep… Read more »
Beverly Brown
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That’s a stupid comment. Mr. Cain is in our family and nobody voted his way.

Justyn Carbajal
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They supported Mr. Cain, no one got to vote for him before he stepped down. Maybe if he had stayed in he would have done well. We will never know.

Bobby
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I tell them I don’t like his white side ether. So I’m not racist

Michael Scott Hoyt
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I voted for Alan Keyes when he ran. Pretty much everyone I voted for didn’t make it past the primaries cause they had those annoying things called “Ethics & Morals” going against them.

fluteangel
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I have noticed the same problem – very disappointing.

MOLON LABE
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I just tell them, “No, I hate his white half” lol

Phil Sanangelo
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Here’s one: Who benefits more from keeping minorities poor, ignorant, and on welfare? Probably the same ones who tell them that: their being poor isn’t their fault, being ignorant isn’t their fault (those tests are racist), and to keep voting for us if you want those checks to keep coming.

CrossHugger
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And why are abortion clinics in close proximity of their neighborhoods…..

Dawnella
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And Congress is talking about the Washington Redskins? Really? Perhaps we should call them the Washington Fast and Furious, or the Washington Benghazis. Or better yet the Washington Brotherhood of Muslims players. However catching the ;pigskin’ could pose a problem 🙂

Barry wanted to “fundamentally change” America and MIchelle Obama said that we would need to give up our traditions. It is happening. I find it curious that the NBA Finals ended suddenly just in time for the “World” Cup soccer to start with Team USA making an unpredicted upset victory.. This is all by design.

Frank Bacci
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1. President Obama has spent sure. But spent money continuing bogus wars started by Bush. Not to mention it was the aforementioned Bush who started all the buyout business. Wall Street. Collapse a direct result of glass steagal being repealed. Guess who voted to repeal that bad boy? At least you admit Bush is responsible for more of our debt than President Obama is, whether you did so intentionally or not. 2. Those that are being held will in fact be set free. There is no reason to think otherwise. Someone as educated as you should understand that undocumented and… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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I doubt Canadian born, newly American Ted Cruz isn’t going to be followed by the birthers. Obama bad, republicans good.

Byron Shutt
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White liberals like you have your heads firmly up your ass as Soros pulls you in even harder. Your race baiting tactics are reflected in your untold successes in every black community you Prog/Comms rule.

Nancy
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I am not as astute on every political point as Mr. West is but 1. The war has escalated since Obama took office even after his campaign promises was to bring everyone home. In fact more lives have been lost under Obama than under Bush. But does CNN or MSNBC have a death toll counter displayed every day? NO! 2. Why would we believe anyone else will be set free…Unless it is to divert attention from yet another scandal. 3. Any person of reason knows two things about gas prices. 1.The economy and access to natural resources affects gas prices.… Read more »
Bruce Rundberg
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I love the accountability you hold for Obama. Maybe you should review all of Obama’s 2008 promises and then explain to us why it’s Bush’s fault/Koch brothers why he failed to meet the vast majority of them.

Stop making excuses for someone you voted in and actually hold them accountable like you do for your opposition. Talk about someone having their marionette strings pulled.

Tony
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I am not as smart as you but I do know a little about the immigration issue : 1) They way a undocumented ( illegal) becomes documented is apply and stand in line. Here is a cool link for you and your friends incase you didn’t know: http://www.us-immigration.com/?utm_source=bing-yahoo&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=citizenship-srch&utm_term=how-to-apply-for-citizenship-in-usa Please don’t tell me how this country was built on immigrants because we all know that but again we neglect to use one word LEGAL immigration . Currently we have major issues but we have them because of this administration because the lack of ENFORCEMENT. So we are chasing bad money since… Read more »
eyesopen
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And as usual I see you blame Bush and the Koch brothers, but not once did you hold Obama accountable for anything, not one scandal, not one lie, not one trampling of the constitution, like its been said many times before, it is the content of his character, the government works for the people but there is no working for the people they are hell bent on taking control, when Obama should have been in the situation room he was partying, he does not lead, he does not care about anything but his own ego and goals, but certainly not… Read more »
Mac Crabbe
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1. Your entire answer is defensive rationalization. Plus, Allen West did no such thing as “admit Bush is responsible for more of our debt” than Obama is. Pay attention. The national debt was $10.67 trillion when Bush left office. Bush, himself, did not create all of that. It took 233 years for the national debt to get to that amount. Obama has now added almost $7 trillion. So, Obama has almost doubled a debt, which took almost 250 years to accrue, in just 5 and a half years. 2. No one is going to be “set free”. By the way,… Read more »
Sam Boatman
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Since your head did not explode, why don’t you try pulling it out of your ass……….

John Massey
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Wow Frank, you just did an amazing job of writing a really long post and saying nothing at the same time. Congrats! 1. I know math can be tricky now that liberals are pushing common core but let me explain a simple equation to you: 7.5 billion > 4 billion. (That little sideways arrow in the middle means greater than.) And remember, like stated above in Mr. West’s original article we still have 2 more years of this style of spending. Yes, Bush absolutely blew through some money and he was a war monger. I’m no fan of his either… Read more »
Swolk
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(Looks at Frank Bacci, waiting for an answer.)

Andy Martin
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Looks like Frank BallSlap spit the bit and ran out of ammo after the first round. Kos talking points are limited and shopworn after all 😉

John Massey
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Aaahhhh facts. They hurt so bad…..

Tom Callahan
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Bartender, more Kool-aid please.

A Guest
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You sir are a window licker on a short bus. I know, I know, that’s not very “politically correct” of me but you have to admit I’m spot on with that observation.

Robert Cancel
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The problem I have with your argument Frank, is the typical “well Bush did it first” excuse. Which is the equivalent of a child saying, “well he started it!” What are you 12?? Now I’m no Bush fan myself…but the hypocracy is blatant. The point is that Obama was to be Mr. Hope and CHANGE. The problem is he turned out to be Mr. More of the SAME. It’s indefensibe at best!

tedthornton
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Mr. West used the same construct — gas went up under Bush first, Nixon did it first, etc. If you read West’s piece above before commenting, you’ll see. I hate that argument too but sometimes its necessary to make the point that needs to be made. I normally love to troll liberals but what you all are doing, making ad hominem attacks on this guy rather than addressing his points, makes us look really bad.

Andy Martin
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1] The blame Bush crowd is getting tiresome. Do you still blame others for your failures in life? Obama has been pumping money into WS with QE since 2009. Don’t be stupid………er. Your POS POTUS went on a $3,000,0000,000,000 spending spree when he got in. Look it up sycophant. Glass-Steagal was a Clinton move leftard. 2] Respond to the issue lefty. Why isn’t Obama getting our soldier out of Mexico? 3] Only a full fledged Obamite would ASSume that Obama’s excessive regulations on oil and gas would not effect gasoline prices. Someone of your ‘stature and education’ should be aware… Read more »
Crimson Tusk
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Your smarmy comments prove Mr. West’s comments. There are plenty of reasons for Obama to resign, one of which and not being the least, his constant undermining of The Constitution. Illegal or “undocumented” as you call them makes no difference, they entered our country with out going through proper channels and should ALL be sent to whence they came. You’re right how ever that potus has nothing to do with the price of gas, but as Mr. West pointed out dem libs bashed bush over it and blamed him for hurricane Katrina of all things. But when it comes to… Read more »
Don Davis
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1 Everyone knows the housing bubble burst caused most of the problem, though the white house warned repeatedly that it was unstable, Barney Frank and the Democrats would hear none of it, kind of like you . 2 Please tell us how you know they will all be set free, and please tell us what is the difference between illegal and undocumented, wow this should be good. 3 I clearly remember seeing Democrat politicians standing in front of gas station signs and blaming President Bush, they knew it was not his fault, they blamed him anyway, hypocrisy is the point… Read more »
Chris Hogan
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Does anyone else remember the flak that Bill Cosby received just because his TV show portrayed a black family with success, both parents in the same household, and financially independent? That was the first step to me leaving the democratic party. Tear down someone because they earned it and happened to be “not white”. I guess it didn’t fit the lib agenda that non whites can’t do that, be that, and definitely can’t earn that.

patandfritz
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I love the liberal ignorance in the responses to your wonderful statement. Note how conveniently they forget that President Bush was doing fine until he got stuck with a Democrat Super Congress?? That Super Congress made him a lame-duck and took over the country. We are where we are today because they handcuffed and stuffed him so they could bring on their agenda.

SlapALibWatchShitSplatter
Guest
SlapALibWatchShitSplatter

Just had to get the racist dig in there, didn’t ya, KKK boy?

patandfritz
Guest

You are pathetic! Obviously you ignored the rest of his response. Probably because the truth hurts!!

The List
Guest

Great apologetic screed there, little one.
NOW GO GET MY FRENCH FRIES. I’VE BEEN WAITING HALF AN HOUR.

Bo
Guest

Go drink some more koolaide, and I’ve sprang for your purple tennis shoes..they’re on the way. Until then keep away from any guns… we know how you libs go ballistic when a little bit of the truth gets through your grey matter.

breichjr
Guest

Still waiting for your retort to the educated responses to your documentable mistakes Frank Bacci. It’s not like you’re actually working. Let’s hear it.

How long shall we wait?

Andy Martin
Guest

Frank can’t talk with his mouth full……………….of Obama.

Russell R Weller
Guest

LMAO!

Bob Johnson
Guest

Wrong on all counts Frank. And they let you drive? wow

Bob Vaught
Guest

LOL… I KNEW the Koch brothers would be mentioned. I KNEW IT LOL

oracle of liberty
Guest
Frank since you so clearly got #1 wrong I didn’t read anymore of your lies and falsehoods you spew simply to cover your undying love for statism and the man you voted to dismantle a America. GS was repealed in 1999… Who was president then? What HUD Secretary and president mandated that the US govt (taxpayer) would purchase $1 trillion in alt A and subprime mortgage debt? President Bill Clinton publicly declared “the Glass–Steagall law is no longer appropriate.” Learn the facts of what it is you speak of as it makes the debate so much better and effective. Next… Read more »
Russell R Weller
Guest

What do you expect, they get all of their source material from CNN/MSNBC; which are both infamous media outlets. There isn’t an original thought within the entirety of the left; which, is why I like being around them personally, because they are so predictable.

Matt
Guest
The Glass Steagall act was repealed in 1999 by president Clinton. The collapse has more to do with the bubble in the housing market due to the government forcing loans to those who would not otherwise qualify because they couldn’t make payments. The way that you become a documented immigrant is to apply for the privilege, not just cross the border, which is an illegal act. Given that the immigration is illegal, they are illegal immigrants. You may not have been upset with gas prices, but the democrat leaders certainly were. The president either ordered the extra judicial killings of… Read more »
Chris Hogan
Guest

Don’t forget that part of that was forcing lenders to lend more than the actual market value of the property. That alone put people upside down the second they signed on the dotted line. I’m just surprised it took so long to blow up in everyone’s faces.

Scott M
Guest
1.Bush started the War’s? Bush gave congress 14 months to vote to go, while Iraq shipped truckloads of munitions into Syria… BTW, it was an overwhelming bipartisan decision, much unlike when Barry bombed Libya… Also note, Bill and Hillary, Al Gore, Harry Reid, et al, CIA, Russian Intel, MI6, are all on record saying Iraq had WMD’s and Saddam was a major threat. No. 2 is unworthy of a response. If you cross the border illegally, or overstay your visa, you are ILLEGAL. Try that in other countries…. 3. Look for the Youtube video of all the Libs blaming BUSH… Read more »
Bob Vaught
Guest

Thanks for the post… I’m to lazy today to have to do the heavy lifting. 🙂

Scott M
Guest

Haha, sorry I forgot the part about the real estate market crash(that led to the recession), and how Clinton, and his cronies like Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, mandated that home ownership was some kind of “right”. They loosening up lending to people that could never hope to repay!

Dawnella
Guest

ditto

linda scott
Guest

and you will drink the koolaid and have your strings pulled by soros.So what about trillions spent on green energy companys owned by Dems and then go bankrupt and the money disappears,The president can and should have gotten these people out and he can do something about gas prices,fracking and the oil line.Stop impedeing businesses with more regulations.And what a crisis with the borders.What about the IRS and now the hardrive was recycled.Really????BO needs to resign

Beverly Brown
Guest

Well put! Allen is just trying to keep his name alive. Don’t get me started.

Lou9999
Guest

Please start Beverly….then I will respond with facts instead of name calling. Get me started.

Andy Martin
Guest

More LIEberal ‘intellect’.

Pappy52
Guest

It’s amazing they find the time to stop drinking the Kool-Aid and actually type something! Of course, it doesn’t matter that what they say is convoluted, twisted, wrong, or downright lies!!

tpmania
Guest

Another ObamaZombie raises her pointed head long enough to type a drive-by post.

patandfritz
Guest

No, it doesn’t make sense to say more after an initial comment because you liberals don’t want to believe a word except the word of your God Obama. Truth means nothing to you. Only his word even though it is all phoney.

Brigadier
Guest

Spoken like a true cult follower.

chitowncircle
Guest

its ok Frank, go ahead, you can admit you supported the wrong person.

John
Guest

you need to keep your Dr.

ksoileau
Guest

“undocumented and illegal are two completely different things.” Wrong, in the sense that every *undocumented* is an *illegal*.

dginga
Guest
Yes, I was wondering on what planet “undocumented” and “illegal” are not the same thing. I have news for Frank: They are EXACTLY the same thing. The left started using the term “undocumented” because they had absolutely NO LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT for wanting to let more ILLEGAL aliens into the country, and to let the ILLEGAL aliens who are already here stay. They figured if they change the language and “soften” the descriptor, idiots like Frank will be duped into thinking they are two different things. Kind of like “global warming” and “global climate change.” Same nonsense, different term, when it… Read more »
pitbullmutt
Guest

clinton started the birther dig during the primaries.

DMG
Guest

It amazes me that even though Liberals lack the intelligence to debate with credibility, they consider themselves intellectually superior to conservatives.

JulioVazquez
Guest

Liberals occupy the highest ranks of higher education.

DMG
Guest

Exactly why our higher education and country is in the mess we’re in.

Mister_Jim
Guest

That’s easy to explain:
Those who can, do.
Those who can’t do, teach.
Those who can’t teach, administrate.

patrickt777
Guest

isnt that the exact reason why our education system is failing

Lara Fabans
Guest

Book smart and test smart don’t equate to being intelligent.

JulieB
Guest

Exactly, all of the education in the world cannot fix stupid.

Sharon Kutz
Guest

That doesn’t mean they are intelligent. It just means they had more money and could go to school longer. I would rather have a high school educated person with common sense, than a phd. with none.

DublinIreland
Guest

That is so very true Julio.

coniljw
Guest

It’s pride/ego delusion.

Tom Callahan
Guest

I was having an argument/debate with a progressive. He was arguing that Clinton was not impeached and then admitted he never heard of Ben Carson. Stupid is as stupid argues.

Nancy
Guest

stupid is as stupid votes

Mac Crabbe
Guest

Yeah, liberals are a simple bunch. I actually had the same experience. The guy said Clinton wasn’t impeached because he stayed in office. Didn’t get the difference between “impeached” and “convicted”.

chitowncircle
Guest

price of gas where I live is $4.20

Ohiogunr
Guest

Two towns, central Ohio, 20 miles apart. One is $3.67 the other $3.99???

Dennis
Guest

Where do you live? It’s only going to get worse, much worse. It was reported this morning that insurgents have taken over one of Iraq’s largest oil fields.

Lara Fabans
Guest

I’m in Silicon Valley. $4.02 for 87 grade at the cheap place.

SGT Scientist
Guest

Wow! I paid $3.31 last night.

Brigadier
Guest

You can’t argue/debate with liberals. Big .gov is their religion. They worship it. There is no logic in it.

Kathy Bob Friedman
Guest

My Hand Salute to You, Lt Colonel West!!! Bob Friedman, Combat Veteran, CMSgt, USAF (Retired)

Ponymomto13
Guest

Lol. So true! Also, when you ask them a question or request facts they tend to attack you personally

Hoppytoo
Guest

I hope I live long enough to see the reaction of the liberals when the world they’ve created turns out to be the very world they fear. Yes, I will say “I told you so.”

Michael Williams
Guest

Run in 2016 so that Hillary has real opposition! ….scratch that; run in 2016 so that the GOP Establishment has real opposition, and then….

Борис Смыслов
Guest
Борис Смыслов

The mindblasting question here is if global warming is such a scare, and going green is our ultimate goal, why don’t build keystone pipeline which many times more friendly ecologically than conventional railroad delivery?

John Massey
Guest

Because George Soros owns a large poration of those railroads my friend and money talks….

FedUpLibBS
Guest

The Green Lefties DO NOT have to worry about Keystone, anymore. Earlier this week, REUTERS reported that CANADA is building a westward Pipeline, that will send all that Tar Sands Oil to Asia (China)… Great work, to our LITTLE FUHRER for killing 20,000 or so permanent jobs before they even started!

kwilson
Guest

Permanent jobs my ass. Once the thing was built, and the time-frame was three years or less, those 20,000 construction jobs would have been over – unless you’re talking about the clean-up jobs when the thing burst into the Oglalla Aquifer. Pipeline construction pays well in the short term, but we didn’t even have a maintenance contract – just the responsibility to clean up any oil spills. KXL was a pig in a poke, and I’m damn glad we didn’t buy it. Screw fossil fuels.

Andy Martin
Guest
Pay real close attention left-sac. There have been thousands of miles of pipeline criss-crossing our nation for years and years. http://oilprice.com/uploads/AC1008.png Just because you weren’t aware of it until Hussein brought up Keystone is no reason to flail around in utter stupidity and hysteria about spillage or line breaches. The number of oil accidents v the miles of pipe and years combined with the amount of oil transported is a ridiculous argument by you tree humpers. Now if you want the Solyndras of the world to take over energy demands, let them show that there is a market for it… Read more »
SobawRF
Guest

How about all the jobs that would have been created at the new refineries that were to process the crude oil for starters…

FedUpLibBS
Guest

You liberals are so STUPID … Do you know HOW MANY Oil pipelines run thru and near the OGlala Aquifer???? Keystone is only 1 more …Screw Fossil Fuels??? Without OIL, they cannot make the TIRES for your BICYCLE.

Rich
Guest

what about the source of oil for that pipeline? Athabascan Tar Sands……… The problem with ANY agenda is they never look at the whole system that has issues about it. Every side in the discussion tries to micro focus on their aspect.

Dennis
Guest

Because they (libprogs) are afraid a bulldozer might run over an endangered silver fish or rare tree fungus.

specialkkc
Guest

As a libertarian/conservative in liberal whack-job Northern California, I can tell you, Allen, your description of the liberal “tantrum” when faced with the truth is spot-on. The intolerance of the left is stunning in the face of facts.

Jimmy_Sr...
Guest

You should edit your name to say specialkkk, just sayin. Not our fault you whiney libertariatard/conservitard crybabies can’t handle facts because they have a liberal bias.

Mister_Jim
Guest

Why should someone supporting Allen West change his name to Specialkkk? I think the liberals may be even more confused than I suspected. Drink that KoolAid, (It seems that you’ve already had plenty, but why stop now?).

specialkkc
Guest

Thank you, Jimmy. You JUST proved me right. Libs resort to name calling because the facts elude them. Thanks again for falling right into it.

Jimmy_Sr...
Guest

Other way around there spanky. Facts always have a way of making you morons look like bumbling idiots. Not our fault that you are nothing more than a sheep thats addicted to the sweet sugary koolaid that the Repubs keep feeding you.

Mister_Jim
Guest

Are you referring to the KoolAid that you promote with your avatar? (I think you’ve had enough, you can stop now and face the truth).

Lara Fabans
Guest

We must be “neighbors” 🙂 My husband wants to talk about the representation gap and how “unfair” it is that our votes and voices don’t count and how “something should be done” to make it more fair and equitable 😉 Or as I always say of my prog friends, they never let some facts get in the way of a great bluster.

Larry Alexander
Guest
Since specalkkc mentioned Northern California, I thought I’d brag a bit here about having the good sense to leave the beautiful northern California countryside once I’d reached the age of reason. I was born in Yuba City where I attended school from third grade through my junior year in High school, graduating in Ukiah, CA, After a bit of College in the Bay area, I joined the USN for one enlistment, where I finally “grew up”. I did return to Cali for a short while after my discharge, but I luckily found reasonable employment elsewhere that resulted in a great… Read more »
hiltonsgnlvr
Guest

I used to love “the golden state”. Left the liberal wasteland 14 years ago. Now, whenever I read something about Kalifornia, I just shake my head. Too bad.

Athena Axiom
Guest
1. If former President George W. Bush was un-American for adding $4 trillion to the national debt, then what is President Barack Hussein Obama who is on his way to adding $8 trillion — and still has two more years to go? Yep, under Obama the national debt has risen from $10.67 trillion to almost $17.5 trillion. (My main computer is down so I don’t have the full data, going by memory.) During the 2nd day of the Obama Administration found out about the floating 2 trillion in war debt and had it added and brought to light. Then the… Read more »
Thomas A. Rice
Guest
Oh I see… So all of the added debt of the past 5 1/2 years is Bush’s Fault? Wow, I never realized George W had such far reaching powers. No, actually the correct answer is the Debt expanded because Congress continued to INCREASE SPENDING every year since 2006 and has not passed a Budget (That’s the Senate’s Job) to account for spending and where it is going. It (the Senate) has no intention Under Harry Reid of reducing spending because they have to finance the 47% of Americans (who live off the Taxpayers) who are paid not to work and… Read more »
Warren Puckett
Guest

I remember looking for a minimum wage job in Podunck, TN in 1966. Nothing there. So I took a bus to Detroit. Got there at 7 am. Hired at noon and started on the job the following day for 3x the minimum wage. Tell me where you can find a job with nothing but a high school edcation for 3x minimum wage today?

Thomas A. Rice
Guest

The answer is you can’t. Most Heavy industrial jobs left the states in the mid 70’s early 80’s for Japan, Mexico or China. Most production plants in the US are heavily automated now and require only 1/3 of the staffing they used in the 70’s. Job creation now is led by Small Business and people who are self-employed providing a good or service.

Warren Puckett
Guest
What does this have to do with the above? Everything. Minimum wage = minimum taxes. Make 3 x the minimum wage pay 4x as much as the minimum wage worker. Make 5.5 x the minimum wage (average wage for Big 3 auto workers in ’66) pay 9x taxes in ’66 ), 13 x if single & working 20 hours overtime. Wages in big 3 are 2.1 x minimum now. So wages have been going down and profits going up & while the deficiit has been going up. What does that tell you about who is pays the taxes? Look up… Read more »
NJWS
Guest

Texas?

tpagrl7
Guest

What about a budget? Remember those? Haven’t had one in 6 years, don’t you wonder why? Oh well, what difference does it make now. With all the illegals pouring in we are doomed anyway. We have no leadership.

Athena Axiom
Guest

Haven’t had a balanced one since a Democrat named Clinton was in office.

SobawRF
Guest

And look here, see who controlled Congress when the deficit went up and down… http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html

SobawRF
Guest

And his was only balanced because he had Republican controlled Congress! Here is a small reminder: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/07/11/how-balanced-budget-last-time/?intcmp=obnetwork

Denise Brown Fritz
Guest

does not need to be balanced, but at least provided..you know, a framework perhaps, like the budgets American’s used to function under, before Obeyme changed all the rules. you are great at research so tell us Athena, if it can’t be balanced then let’s not follow the rules eh? we will make them up as we go..yea, that’s the ticket.

FedUpLibBS
Guest

And the only reason Clinton had anything even REMOTELY resembling a balanced budget .. was because of a REPUBLICAN named GINGRICH!!!

Pattycake35
Guest

No…Reaganomics took a while to kick in. He was the real success that Clinton claimed credit for.

Thomas A. Rice
Guest
And Who controlled BOTH the House and the Senate in 1998?… That’s right- The Republicans who balanced the Budget for the first time since WWII. Clinton took credit for whatever worked. The problem was, in the early 2000’s too many Rino’s decided they could spend as much as they wanted and led to the Dem’s retaking the House & Senate in fall of 2006 with Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid controlling spending from then on. Presidents can only propose budgets. It is the combined Congress that makes the budget and votes on it. 17 trillion in debt is on Harry… Read more »
tedthornton
Guest

Every single republican voted againsr it. That’s a fact. Stop saying this it makes the rest of us actual conservatives look ignorant.

Thomas A. Rice
Guest

Against what? Please be more vague

Vienta76
Guest

Similar to FDR taking credit for the Civil Rights act of 1964 that he signed, when it was the Republicans who introduced the bill and passed it through the house and senate to get it on the POTUS’ desk to sign…the Democrats were overwhelmingly against it…..now if you ask a teenager (I tested this last weekend) which political party advocated for and passed the civil rights act they say the democrats of course, the party of equality…it’s shameful and embarrassing. But a teaching opportunity for me. When I told them they were wrong, the kids were genuinely shocked.

jakefromstatefarm
Guest

Think you mean LBJ, not FDR. You are correct in saying it was the GOP under the leadership of Ev Dirksen that pushed it through Congress. Remember Sen John Kennedy voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1956. Dems are the party of Jim Crow and segregation, not equality.

blowingoffgodot
Guest

The positions of the two major political parties have shifted dramatically over the years.

Most of the pro-segregation conservative Southern Democrats (aka the ‘Dixiecrats’) jumped ship to the Republican party during and after the civil rights era. This jumping ship was almost entirely motivated by the pro-civil rights position of the Northern Democrats.

jakefromstatefarm
Guest

Actually Blow, this is more of your liberal revisionist history. The only “Dixiecrat” of note to become a republican was Strom Thurmond and it had nothing to do with civil rights legislation. Did George Wallace, Lester Maddox or Orville Faubus become republicans, NO!! They remained racist dems til the end. You imply that republicans of today are the dems of the past and it is simply untrue

hiltonsgnlvr
Guest

perfect example of there is no way to fix stupid.

Athena Axiom
Guest

I agreed. These numbers are pretty simple and available to anyone but its so much easier to put the blame on the wrong parties!

rosemarienoa
Guest

You are the stupid one !!!! Liberals dont deal in facts……only LIES !!!

Jimmy_Sr...
Guest

Its ok princess, we understand that facts have a liberal bias and that idiots like you feed on lies and bullshit.

Athena Axiom
Guest

Sexism too? Come on throw a slur or two out and go for the trifetca!

Jimmy_Sr...
Guest

I was responding to rosemarienoa not you bud.

Wycked Ryver
Guest

Yeah! Don’t call this bitch a “princess”! There, Athena Axiom…all better now? 🙂

adam1972
Guest

Don’t change the subjact ya’ll. You guys are starting to sound like Berkley Liberals over here.

Athena Axiom
Guest

Go ahead, search the budget and the effects of the Bush policies nonpartisan groups and PROVE any of what I said was lies. You can’t or you don’t believe enough to do so.

adam1972
Guest
Tax cut debt? Is there such a thing? Debt comes from someone “SPENDING”. Don’t twist words around. They earned their money, because you libbby’s feel you have a right to spend money for social gimmies. Looking through the list of enumerated powers…. Wow.. gosh darn it… Healthcare isn’t in there… Umm lemme see.. Maintaining a social equality, Racial Equality and Earning equality aren’t in there either… Lemme see… Hrm.. Wow.. Bringing truckloads of illegals and making theme honorary citizens isn’t in there… Oooo lookie.. Giving out money to those who “deserve it” isn’t in there either.. Ooo Freee Phones anyone?… Read more »
Vienta76
Guest

Adam, I think you left her speechless….thank you

adam1972
Guest

They’re never speechless.. She’s probably calling the local support group they have for dealing with conservatives, asking for other misdirections to use lol

Athena Axiom
Guest

Debt from tax cuts when revenue drops. Bush asked for nothing cut in his proposal.

adam1972
Guest

Revenue can drop. That’s what BUDGETS are for. Social spending is not included in Gov. enumerated powers.

Jack
Guest

Athena or whatever your real name is, just keep believing all that tripe you just spouted. Just keep supporting the liberal/progressive/socialist/communist people (aka democrats) and see what toilet this country is flushed into. Cause that’s where you and your buddies are taking us all. I pray everyday that our Lord and God will defeat all of you and save this once great country.

Jimmy_Sr...
Guest

Your Lord is me, bow to my will or I will forcefully bend you over and insert my manhood in you like your pastor did when you were a child.

Jack
Guest

you are disgusting. Typical.

Jimmy_Sr...
Guest

Its ok if your pathetic excuse for a childs pen!s got hard for a minute thinking some good man on man love. In today’s society thats acceptable. Maybe you should be honest with yourself for once instead of hiding in that closet.

Jack
Guest

Jimmy, you “expose yourself” as the typical mean-spirited, hate-filled liberal/progressive/socialist/communist that you are. As I said previously, you are disgusting and typical.

Athena Axiom
Guest

So nothing to refute what I’ve said? Nice to know you can’t fight the facts.

Jack
Guest

No need to spend my time or energy refuting liberal/progressive/socialist/communist talking points

Athena Axiom
Guest

No need to debate anything if you don’t know the difference between Socialists and Communists. Just proves how willfully ignorant you are! What a shame and waste of educators’ time.

Ebenezer
Guest

Socialism is the equal distribution of misery;
Communism is Socialism at gunpoint.

Warren Puckett
Guest

In the Prince of Persia movie there is a accurate description of an entrepanure. Conserative tend to be either one or wanna bees or just plainly brain washed by those types. Note: It is the sceen just before the ostorich race. I don’t take much brain power to figure out if got a sponge in one hand and brick in the other, which one is heavier.

The_Patriot
Guest

Nothing you have to say has any worth to it and definitely is wrong. Hard to refute stupidity

FedUpLibBS
Guest

OK… oh wise one… since we are SO STUPID… please Explain to us, the difference between Socialism and Communism from your progressive viewpoint???

Jack
Guest

I know the difference but they all lead to the same toilet. As usual, you and your ilk think you are the smartest most intelligent people on the planet, that is why you will never learn from reality.

Letsbereasonable
Guest

Well, statistically we (liberals) do have higher IQs… but I’m sure that’s another fact you’ll choose to ignore 😉

Athena Axiom
Guest

Oh hell no, not the smartest just more educated and more well versed in the topics then you.

The_Patriot
Guest

Athena if you were really that intelligent and really had the answers do yo think the rest or majority of people here would be arguing against you? Hardly, Go do the laundry or something, that would be more of a contribution than all the comments you have made so far on this thread

ron111
Guest

Can your “more educated” self explain why the states under democratic control for decades are broke, have the highest taxes, highest murder rates?

Athena Axiom
Guest

The only thing Obama added directly to the budget was the stimulus package.
Bush’s policies added 2 unpaid for wars and unpaid for tax cuts, as talked about above.

adam1972
Guest

and as proven above; those are legitimate spenditures for the Fed Gov. YOURS however are NOT. They make for a cool sounding argument cause you got “something” to sling.. but it ends up being hot air nonetheless.

WARIII
Guest

And BHO kept those 2 wars going, could have brought ALL the GI’s home in the first year in office and closed GTMO as promised, OH I forgot those are ALL GWB’s fault.

Athena Axiom
Guest

Aren’t Conservatives saying now we shouldn’t have left Iraq? Make up your minds! Liberals called it that Iraq would keep haunting us if we got in and stayed. Remember the 6 weeks to 6 months promise from Rummy? At least Obama brought most of the troops home!

John Massey
Guest
Athena, I’m a libertarian. That needed to be said so I can say that I almost disliked Bush as much as I dislike our current POTUS. They’re both war mongering POSs as far as I’m concerned and both equally spending money we don’t have. What you need to realize is that no one is blaming Obama directly for the influx of debt but rather its under his watch, his presidency, and his policies that it keeps growing. Bush wasn’t directly responsible for his 4 trillion but rather his policies. Obama is just a black Bush who brought the support of… Read more »
Athena Axiom
Guest

Which policies grew the debt? Please list them and I’ll be happy to research it.
Also from his comments West blames Obama directly.

Jack
Guest

Col. West is a very smart and wise man.

John Massey
Guest

Look above for said policies.

Jack
Guest

BTW, the concept of “unpaid for tax cuts” is another liberal/progressive/socialist/communist lie. It is MY money, not the property of the government. If a tax cut is implement (many more are needed) then the government should simply be forced to spend less. Period.

hiltonsgnlvr
Guest

Right. And no Demo/nazis anywhere voted to go to Bush’s war, did they? And if we open our borders to invasion, who’ll pay for that? Opps, Obama has done that and we’re all gonna pay for that, except you welfare queens.

Athena Axiom
Guest

They did based on his lies in his speech to congress.
By the way National Socialism is about doing for the Country not the individual. Nazis were very right wing in their policies. Nothing Liberal or Democratic about them.

adam1972
Guest

He had nolies. They were documents given to all of them by the Intelligence (sic) community. They had the same info as him. you guys keep lying to yourselves… I guess if the Home page of the Democrats can claim they’ve been fighting for civil rights for as long as it claims… They can claim anything.

ron111
Guest

So your saying the democratic congressmen/women were to stupid to investigate the claims Bush made in his speech for them selves?

Andrewpalandrew
Guest

Wow, this Athena chick is stupid.

Estella Bunny Howe
Guest

Someone in my “extended family” said it was “shameful” because SC didn’t take the medicaid expansion. This is how stupid these Democrats truly are. They have no clue what that means or how it impacts a States economy and the taxpayers who have to foot this bill. For the most part, Democrats are either just plain stupid, brain dead, or so indoctrinated that they wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked them in the face.

rosemarienoa
Guest

They are INSANE !!!! Liberalism = Insanity !!!! There is plenty of proof !!!

Athena Axiom
Guest

100% covered for 2 years, 90% covered going forward. Is 10% really too much to pay to help the poor? Wait, don’t tell me, yes. So let’s continue to pay $1000 or more for what can be covered in a doctor’s office for $80! That makes fiscal sense! Not.

Vienta76
Guest
There is this practice, it has become an archaic practice in the liberal ideology, and it is called charity (it is certainly not the same as taxes!!). Conservatives are, statistically, historically, and in all other ways, far more charitable than their liberal counterparts. Liberals dance and shout and talk and sidestep, conservatives act. People give generously to the poor through charity. Here you are, shifting the blame from the medical industry, which is absolutely corrupt, onto the citizenry with your comment. The citizenry don’t pay enough taxes is what you are saying, the citizenry needs to pay more and more… Read more »
SobawRF
Guest

Very Well Stated!!

adam1972
Guest
Ummm.. yea sure…. Since prices haven’t dropped…. Who’s paying for that? Not to mention the disparity between $80 and $1000…. A lot of what a doctor charges for is for his Insurance against lawsuits. The prices you’re talking about could’ve been lowered by working on Tart reform. I see you libs always taking a whack at folks who get rich “Producing” something or offering a legitimate service. In this respect take a look at lawyers. Starting pay out of law school can be $160,000 a year. They make so much money taking doctors to court for piddly crap.. everyone that… Read more »
Athena Axiom
Guest

That’s the difference between an ER and a Doctor’s office by the way.

adam1972
Guest

Doesn’t matter. Prices are still inflated for the same cause. Fix is the same. Not more taxes.. oh sorry “Tax Cut Debt”.

rosemarienoa
Guest

I make a great effort to stay far away from liberal/progressives !!! I am too old to put up with their BS !!! & I would probably do great bodily harm to one of them if given half a chance !!!

Bill Venier
Guest

I say go for it. Punch a liberal today! You just might wind up shutting them up

Scott Snoopy
Guest

you are so right…why subject ourselves to the unneeded stress?

Athena Axiom
Guest

Aren’t you a shining example of your god’s love!

rosemarienoa
Guest

You have NO idea who I worship…..if anyone or anything !!! You are a perfect example of liberal ignorance !!!!

Guybrush Ak Threepwood
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Guybrush Ak Threepwood

God has nothing to do with being a conservative. Anyone can be conservative. Personally, I would put your liberal head into a brick wall, simply because your beliefs go against everything my friends fought and died believing about this nation. Take your socialist bullshit and shove it up your ass. You are beyond defendable, you are accountable.

Paulonthe400
Guest

Like a BOSS!

Wycked Ryver
Guest

And surly, you’re perfection personified! *BOWS DEEPLY TO YOUR HIGHNESS* RME&SMDH

Scott Snoopy
Guest

after perusing your facebook page we can see you are a shining example of a liberal progressive Socialist Communist Utopian Marxist SCUM; backing all the programs that have increased the US debt, destroyed the ethical/moral fabric The Republic once had, and support all of those “tolerant” liberal progressives who wish to destroy what is left of this Republic.

Have a nice day now, good bye

Sharon50MP
Guest

God is not allowed in schools or politics. That is part of our problems.

ron111
Guest

Yet God is encouraged in our prison system. Go figure that one out.

Athena Axiom
Guest

Religion can’t be the basis for law. It protects us from Sharia or Christian or Hindu law codes being applied to the law. If you want your kids indoctrinated take them to church. They can pray as long as it doesn’t disrupt class. No teacher will lead your kid in a Pagan blessing and the same can be expected for Christians. That’s a fair balance of power.

ron111
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Athena Axiom seriously? Where do you think most laws came from to begin with? Hint: God’s word. You would know this if you read the good book. Your ignorance amazes me.

Ebenezer
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Yeah. God forbid kids should learn that stealing, murder, and perjury are bad things.

Athena Axiom
Guest

Fear of an invisible sky daddy to keep in line? If you need fear to keep you good, you weren’t good to begin with.
Moral codes for behavior predate the Judeo-Christian religion.

Ebenezer
Guest

It’s not fear, it’s love–love of the creator who made us–but that’s wasted on you, right?
Let me put it this way. Of course moral codes predated the Judeo-Christian religion. So did murder, rape, and robbery, AND God. Our religion, contrary to what atheists say, is not about controlling people’s behavior, but assuring us that we do not have to suffer the ultimate consequences of our bad behavior. But again, that’s wasted on you.
Nobody’s good, and if they claim to be, they’re a G__D___ed liar.
Good luck!

north
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it isent fear, and morality is taught. the Bible is chalked full of moral lessons. Even if you dont believe in God its still a good book to teach basic morality.

Robert Wythes
Guest

Forgot to mention the four that got left behind in Benghzi,

William Mavis
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URAH col.sure youre not a Marine,Chesty would be proud,when your ready to kick the devils ass,ild be proud to hold youre coat!!…whitebread cracker jarhead,RETIRED

2EdgedSword
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21 gun salute for the Col. Semper Fi from the class of 66.

Tony
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oaq2fHiOOY
Just a little video blaming Bush for gas prices but they say the never did that ?

Pattycake35
Guest

The day Bush stepped down, the gas where I live was $1.99 a gallon. Today it is $3.65.

The_Patriot
Guest

Good video, you know liberals will rebuke everything, They hate truth

Scott Snoopy
Guest

Perish the thought you ask such questions; the liberal progressives will not know how to reply except to have a witty retort…Its Bush’s fault. Liberal Progressive Socialist Communist Utopian Marxist –SCUM will never admit to failures, they will find someone else to blame, tell us we just haven’t been patient enough to let such n such a program to work, or of course we need to spend more on failed programs.

Bill Venier
Guest

That’s what all these leftist ideologies are: the science of sour grapes andd being a big-ass crybaby. Im damned sick of it all.

John Massey
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Athena Sorry had to do some research to make sure all of my numbers were correct in my head. So hold on because this might hurt a little. Obama tax cuts (basically the extension of the Bush cuts but they can no longer be attributed to him seeing as how Obama signed them this time around) added 858 bil to 2011 and 2012 fiscal budgets. Obama economic stimulus package = 787 billion This one your really not going to like. Obama increased defense spending to more than $800 billion a year. In fact, his security budget request of $895 billion… Read more »
blowingoffgodot
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Which branch of the government holds the power of the purse-strings?

Food for thought.

John Massey
Guest

Of course the legislative branch but who approves it?

betspotter
Guest

Republicans tried that. Your guys squealed like little girls. Obama threatened to stop SS checks, even though he can’t really do that, so he shut down the war memorials to WWII vets. Your guy is a nasty piece of work, very childish.

Warren Puckett
Guest

3 things would fix this quick
1. Manditory draft registration and induction in to government service for all legal or illegal residents.
2. No exemption status for H1B
3. Labor tax on all goods & services imported into the US

Athena Axiom
Guest

I’ll be back later folks!

John Massey
Guest

Come on. I need some refutal!

Aaron Bateman
Guest

Good lord people, stop feeding the troll.

John Massey
Guest

I don’t know why I can’t ever get a liberal to argue with me…

Ella Stern
Guest

🙂 You are lucky. They talk down to me as if I were a moron.

John Massey
Guest

It’s all in your approach. See when debating a liberal only use cold hard facts. Don’t bring opinion, speculation, religion, or Bush into it ever. Then they have to resort to their heart which is insult, degrade, and bash you.

Darren Wilkens
Guest

Liberals don’t know how to use common sense. They’re a bunch of brainless fools that let the government and the media do they’re thinking for them. They think gun owners are a threat/danger to America? Their ignorance and stupidity is the worst threat!

The_Patriot
Guest

These are five questions that no liberal wants to face or even address. They hate the truth, the hate facts especially facts that they can never refute.

TeaBaby
Guest

Still fun watching lib heads explode, though! Frustrated, bitter, hateful little people. They prove it every single time they troll this board.

Hi Bill!

The_Patriot
Guest

Hey sweetheart how have you been? Awesome to see you.
They troll this board everyday and make complete fools of themselves

blowingoffgodot
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1. Fiscal policy is not really something over which the President exerts much direct control. Most politically-literate liberals know this, just as you should, Congressman. The biggest sources of the current Federal budget situation are still the Bush era wars, the Bush era tax cuts, and the anemic economic recovery. So, no, I don’t blame either Bush or Obama for the deficit; I blame congress. 2. Not every foreign relations problem requires a military solution. You should know this as well. The Obama administration is actively working through diplomatic channels to address these situations, just as the Bush administration (and… Read more »
BobGuy
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If you were to stick to the same standards you applied when Bush took office you would… never mind.

CafeConservative
Guest

Keep rationalizing because when it’s a Republican President, the reasoning suddenly changes. As a fairly well-educated man, I’don’t be challenged to accurately count the number of times Bush was responsible for several of the same or similar things. Don’t forget that among his accusers was BHO who said Bush was indeed personally responsible. If you have a problem with the logic of the discussion, blame the President and not the Congressman.

TexIdaMan
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You do know your are right in many of your thoughts. However it just goes to show you can’t fix stupid. BHO is a failure as a man and sure as a leader just the facts sir. If history treats this time in America correctly, Obama will be a hiss and byword.

Michael Lawrence
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1. Fiscal policy…while it is true that Congress holds the purse strings, the president still has to sign the bills that allow additions to spending. If the president would choose not to spend our tax dollars in such a way, he can simply veto the bill. But when a president pushes for additional spending from a compliant Congress and gets it, the president is still ultimately responsible for signing the spending or appropriations bill into law or into effect. The Bush era wars, Bush tax cuts….interesting you should mention these things. Yes, they did add 4 trillion dollars to our… Read more »
Rena
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Excellent post.. and good information 🙂

Michael Lawrence
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Thanks 🙂

Rena
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I hope you don’t mind, but I had to quote you up above to Philanthropussy. Your post was best to answer all these questions.

Michael Lawrence
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No worries, post away, feel free 🙂

BobGuy
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Yeah, about the hard drive. No organizational email is hosted on the client computer. All email is hosted on a server with RAID hard drive systems that get backed up every day. An entire email system would have had to be destroyed in a single catastrophic event that would have had the disaster recovery plan in action, possibly with repercussions that would have made the news. They are lying their asses off.

Good stuff, by the way.

Rena
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It would have had to be a deliberate act. Even if the servers crashed, the information would still be available. Any computer forensic person can recover that information unless it was deliberately wiped clean, and by federal standards that would be a 8x pass from what I was told in my computer forensics class. Standards may have changed now, but 8x wipe was the standard then that they can go to where the information would be too corrupted to use in court.

Richard Lindberg
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Government also requires that the hard drive goes through an electromagnet also as it has been proven that even at 8x wipe, data can still be recovered. And even an electromagnet isn’t 100% foolproof, it gets shredded after that. Burning your hard drive does not get rid of any information.

This was told to me by my brother who deals with classified information all the time. My curiosity was how they destroyed the data to not allow our enemies to get it.

Rena
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From the hearings today about these computers that apparently crashed, funny that it was ‘only’ the 7 people who are being investigated. One congressperson even asked, how is it that only those specific 7 had their computers crash and no one else? How convenient for the IRS. The guy was also asked, where is the HD now, and he claims it was “scraped”. The panel wants to know where it was taken and how it was disposed of. I’d like to know too as who knows who can get a hold to that information. Personally, I don’t believe for one… Read more »
Richard Lindberg
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They were removed and disposed of.

Rena
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Yes I heard that earlier on Cspan during the hearing. What gets me is that it seems so coincidental that there were only 7 crashes, and they all happen to be the computers of those the panel wants to talk to and get information from. I can see it if were just one, maybe two, but all seven? Nah, not possible in my opinion.

Michael Lawrence
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Thanks….I don’t think many believe that the emails were lost….deliberately destroyed or removed from the RAID system….yea, I can believe that.

Johnstoirvin
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I was going to respond point by point to that empty head, blowingoffgodot, but I don’t think I could have done it as well as you. Good job.

Michael Lawrence
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No worries, and thanks 🙂

MstrJames
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on the price of oil. Banning americans from pumping or even exploring in our own reserves, drives costs up to the consumer (we cant burn our own oil) Yes the oil is being pumped by foreign companies. and the profits shared directly with the military industrial government.(you will never see the benefits). Because of obama’s influence and the medias propaganda about saving the environment, the ONLY company that is allowed to drill in those reserves is the very same company that spilled the oil.. Is everyone asleep on this scam? Why do our companies have to move to north africa… Read more »
Michael Lawrence
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This is exactly why drilling and pumping of American oil should happen. Not only will it take financing away from those that hate us, but it will create good paying jobs in America and help our economy as a bonus. Flood the market with American oil and let the Muslims go broke, let Russia go broke.

James Johnson
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This administration has continually shown us duplicity, incompetence and/or apathy (Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Obamacare, AP wiretaps, IRS targeting, enforcing our immigration laws, and the VA). This administration has completely lost all credibility. And yet almost half of Americans either have their heads in the sand (cyberspace) or they are so mesmerized by their liberal hero that all they hear when Obama speaks is, “healthcare, space unicorns, holidays, rainbows, and sparkles for everyone!” It’s shameful and troubling that so many still (after all the fumbling, incompetence, and double-talk) have so much faith in this president and this administration to not… Read more »
Johnstoirvin
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Wow! You are the perfect example of what ails our country. No one should ever be held accountable for their own actions because there’s ALWAYS someone or something else to blame it on and there are no winners or losers because everyone gets a trophy for simply breathing. If you believe obama’s policies, executive orders and the influence he wields over members of Congress make little difference in the present state of the U.S., you are either blind or unwilling to open your eyes…. or too partisan to care. BTW, I’m not racist. I don’t agree with most of what… Read more »
Travelgirl757
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If everything is outside Obama’s area of influence, why wasn’t it for Bush and every other President before him? Everything seems to be outside his area of leadership because he is a poor leader, if I read you correctly.

Patton Gunn
Guest

So Obama is responsible for NOTHING. Then why do we need a president? At least one like him. He’s a failed leader. My teenage grandkids show more leadership qualities than Obama.

betspotter
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Yeah, except Obamacare was voted in by all Democrats, signed by Obama. It will cost trillions, if they can ever get it started properly. it’s also ugly, intrusive and will end in rationing. The stimulus was a budget buster. That was Obama and friends. Obama laughingly admitted there were no shovel ready jobs. The bailout of GM was costly and mucking around with secured creditors was disconcerting and the clunker buyback was an expensive flop. The green companies Obama donors owned are already out of business, billions of dollars later. I think it is safe to say, any slowdown of… Read more »
blowingoffgodot
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I’ll go through point by point. -Care is rationed in one way or another under every healthcare delivery system yet designed. And even before the ACA, the federal government was paying the majority of the healthcare costs in this country. Even before the ACA, the cost of indigent care was picked up by insured Americans. Mandating that everybody have some basic level of coverage is essentially a more honest way of doing what was already being done. -The amount of money spent on green energy initiatives is a drop in the bucket of the discretionary federal budget. And, resources being… Read more »
Johnstoirvin
Guest

Apparently you get your news the same place as obama…. MSNBC.

karpenter
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‘Drop In The Bucket’….I Love That One. Always Have.
Always Said By A Leftist, Even When The National Debt Was Only A Couple Of Billion.
What’s It Now, Only $17,500,000,000,000.00
The First Step Is To Fix All The Leaky Faucets.
Naw, Screw That. Just Let ‘Em Leak.

handyman8672
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One point you attempt to make is a glaring mistake and I want to point out that while gas and oil production are both up, it is not because of Obama but in spite of Obama’s best efforts, all of this increase is on private lands because Obama has put in place a ban on drilling or exploration of any type on public lands, I know that it is useless to try and debate a Liberal, because any battle of wits leaves the liberal totally unarmed, Common sense is required to understand all of the area’s where your statements are… Read more »
blowingoffgodot
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Let’s compromise, I’ll support oil and natural gas exploration on public lands the second that fossil fuel companies start paying their fair share of taxes towards maintaining those lands in the first place.

Chris Hogan
Guest

Wrong! You libturds and your “pay their fair share” drivel.

betspotter
Guest

Quoted from Direct Caller, The three largest oil companies paid the most in taxes in absolute terms of all major corporations, according to data on S&P 500 companies compiled by The New York Times.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/29/nyt-oil-companies-paid-the-most-in-taxes/#ixzz35932ffBN

ThomasVanHoesen
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Not because of Obama in spite of Obama no new federal leases have been explored. All NAT gas and oil has been on PRIVATE lands- The RIGHT does it more flagrantly than circumventing congress and the constitution sure prove it.

Joe Bobby Van Vactor
Guest

Since you are on the far left, you know nothing about the far right.

David Mulloy
Guest

Well, well,well; Im gonna rent me a democrat like you to use as a shield when your Messiah declares Martial Law!! You people are so adept at deflecting the truth, it is safe to presume that you are “Bullitproof” too!!

blowingoffgodot
Guest

Paranoid much?

Rob
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A couple of things. 1. I appreciate your views although highly disagree with the rationale behind most of what you are suggesting. I wish I had time to go through each argument, but state board is in 30 days so it will have to wait. 2. Thank you for at least being educated in your position. 3. I hate when either side just throws out slanderous and offensive slurs toward those with opposing views. It shows a lack of class and ability to communicate a position effectively. While I don’t apologize for the actions of others, please don’t judge a… Read more »
Joe Bobby Van Vactor
Guest

Yes you are and a liar on top of that, typical progressive.

blowingoffgodot
Guest

Ad hominems are the last resort of a man with no substance to his own ideas.

Joe Bobby Van Vactor
Guest

My comments are mean to go to a person who makes up comments. I can do that up chose to tell the truth.

Johnstoirvin
Guest

That may be, but in this case and as a FIRST resort, Joe Bobby speaks the truth.

Clifton Ralph Gray
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I am a Christian but I am a diffrent type of Christian, I beleive in stopping an attack with what God gave me to do the job right with. My fist if need be and if the attack is elevated then I also increase the severity of my weapons. God has never said that we were to just stand and take what evil wants to dish out. I think it is time for the Army of God to arise and remove from our leadership the pervertion that has taken over. We are suppose to be free men yet we are… Read more »
ThomasVanHoesen
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Big government in any sane mans opinion is worse than big business. As Barry likes to say , period. Big business actually hires people and can fire people big government only hires them.

Blue
Guest

I’ve always thought that if we keep big government busy with big business and vice versa, the rest of us can live out our lives pretty peacefully.

Chris Hogan
Guest

And now we know different, sadly.

JulieB
Guest

I have another one, Mr. West. When your liberal neighbors come over to share their ultrasound picture of their expectant baby and are celebrating their joy. Tell them, it’s not a baby, it’s a choice!

CafeConservative
Guest

I had some liberal FB friends tell me it’s just a mass of cells and a fetus. I asked them why then did they hold a baby shower and name their mass of cells before it was born. They preferred cognitive dissonance and remained silent.

JulieB
Guest

I hate it when liberals use that argument; we all are merely just a mass of cells. They can only argue emotion, never logic.

Richard Lindberg
Guest

Technically we are more bacteria than ourselves.

Ned_Kelly_707
Guest

They are speaking of and for, themselves, me thinks…

Lyle Kittle
Guest

Tell them “they didn’t do that”

James Johnson
Guest

One more head exploder for the pro-choice and LGBT crowd:
If science were to discover a “gay gene”, should a mother have the right to CHOOSE to abort her baby simply because she discovers her baby is carrying the “gay gene”?

Bama59
Guest

I refuse to refer to them as pro-choice, they are pro-abortion.

Rena
Guest

~mind blown~

It’s like who would they defend, the Muslim barber who refuses to give a crew cut to a lesbian or the lesbian who wants her hair cut like a man….

James Johnson
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James Johnson