VA hospital orders Christian symbols covered in chapel

While the Veterans Administration thanks its lucky stars the Bergdahl story has taken its scandal out of the headlines, it seems the VA system had other things to worry about anyway, beyond simply the death of dozens of veterans awaiting treatment.

No, what the VA really has to worry about is all those offensive Christian religious symbols in chapels.

As reported by Unhyphenated America, “A Veteran’s Hospital in Iron Mountain, Michigan actually went to the time and expense to install a curtain in front of an “offensive” altar, cross and statues of Jesus and Mary in the chapel.

According to a letter sent to Iron Mountain News, Chaplain Bob Mueller said “A couple of months ago, an order came down from Washington DC to cover all things associated with Christianity in the VA. Their solution is to cover everything in all the VA Chapels across the country.” Chaplain Bob went on to say, “A few weeks ago an official from the Madison VA came down here to tell me to ‘stop talking about Jesus, and to stop reading Scripture out loud.’”

It never ceases to amaze me what liberals seem to find offensive. For example, liberals find the concept of “school choice” troubling, but not the choice to kill your own child. Leslie Brown at Unhyphenated America has a more thorough (and amusing) list here.

Now, I know there are a bunch of folks who will jump all over the “separation of church and state” train, but how many times must I repeat it is not anywhere in the U.S. Constitution? We do not have an establishment of religion in America. We have the right to free exercise of religion – well, except in the eyes of the Obama administration.

Funny thing, I do recall a little thing called “separation of powers” as a fundamental principle of the United States, enshrined in our Constitution — but that doesn’t seem to matter to Obama and his progressive socialist acolytes.

And so the “fundamental transformation” of America continues. I’ve got an idea. Let’s hide the Christian symbols in the VA right next to the hidden lists denying our veterans proper care.

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Badbartimus
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Their day is coming.

Mitch Mitchell
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No. No it isn’t.

Sandy Roberts Russell
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Sandy Roberts Russell
Yep, you all are going to have a grand ole party. You all will think you have won. When Jesus was in the grave, Satan thought for sure that Jesus was dead, and the victory was his. There was a period of time where everything ran amok. The rapture will happen, and you all will have more partying and then you will sit on the sidelines watching the world go to literal hell in a hand basket. Those who don’t believe won’t care because they will have the mark. But the bible is clear, there will be judgement on those… Read more »
Mitch Mitchell
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I’m not sitting watching it go to hell. I’m trying to do my bit. Just appears to me, when I see this sort of thing, people stateside are not. But whoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Rawk Kahn
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Yes. Yes it is.

m4time
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Conservatives don’t fight it so it keeps happening.

Texas_Tea_Time
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How can this be? Not three years ago the VA lost a federal court case for shutting down the Chapel and preventing veterans group prayers during funerals for veterans at the Houston National Cemetery. They even had to pay legal fees of more than $200K. The lawlessness of this corrupt regime is stunning.

http://www.khou.com/news/Judge-signs-order-lifting-prayer-ban-at-national-cemeteries-132205228.html

Reba
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This must mean the White House does not have any Religious Beliefs except for Muslim. So, since it is “The Peoples House”, does that mean we can demand they get rid of all Muslims?

Daniel Hawxhurst
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I like the last statement, the poor, abused vets will get some help, or at least compfort! We have to go after these criminals in Washington!

Gary
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Separation of powers is as valid as the law… ummm, well, never mind. Obama disregards the law all the time as well.

SouthernMan
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So since he ignores the law, ignore him. Gee if we only could

fanciladi
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ASININE!

ferdberful
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Tell these ass-wipes to POUND SAND!

Earl Lee
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GOOD FOR THE VA!!

Southern Xposure
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Earl? Again??

ShiekYerbouti
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Earl is a wannabe troll. He never has anything interesting to say even from a liberal/communist view. He just spouts hate filled comments to get a rise from the viewers of this webpage. Many of us know that. Ignore him, do not respond. He won’t go away but don’t give him the satisfaction.

THeim
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Thank you for the info! There’s always at least one in every crowd!!

Crystal
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Yes, I can see how this would be so much more important than addressing the real issues! NOT!

THeim
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This is despicable! I can’t wait for this current administration to be gone (as long as we can get a Republican administration to replace it)!! 2014 & 2016 are crucial election years! The new Republican president needs to overturn every executive order by Barack Obama, starting the first hour of his/her presidency! And Christians need to speak out about how offensive this is!

Janice Evans Pfeiffer
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Janice Evans Pfeiffer

Lets just pray to GOD that Obama doesn’t destroy us prior to 2016. Look at what he did, his private meetings with Holder both conspiring to find a way to get those five terrorists out. When they couldn’t do it legally thru Congress they just decided WTF and did it. Aiding and abetting the enemy is an impeachable treasonous crime. We have the enemy running our country incompetently! Get him out NOW!

Brendan
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This policy at the VA goes back to July 2008, before Obama was President.

THeim
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The Religious Neutrality Policy was reviewed and revised in July 2008. However, the implementation of that policy is “open to interpretation.” These mandates to cover religious symbols in some VA hospital chapels happened just days ago. In 2011, the Air Force “responded” by removing Biblical and/or moral references in their training manuals. Each Administration “interprets” policy (even laws) and acts in a discretionary way (the ACA is a blatant example)! The actions occurring now ARE directives by the current administration! Nice try…..

Sandy Roberts Russell
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Sandy Roberts Russell

I guess every other incident that has happened under Obama’s watch predated him, huh?

Brendan
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No, I never said that and I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion.
Plenty of things happened on his watch… this just isn’t one of them.

THeim
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These mandates are based on THIS administrations interpretation of the 2008 policy revisions. Surely you’re aware that each administration interprets policy and law differently. This is why elections are SO crucial…The presidency is becoming TOO powerful, which usually results in lawlessness! President’s should NEVER be elected based on “rhetoric.” Past BEHAVIOR, decisions, character, etc. carry much more weight! The majority of the electorate couldn’t look further than the color of his skin and the orchestrated, packaged persona! Heck, the media and his supporters even ignored Obama’s own words….his books, etc. No one cared that he voted “present” the vast majority… Read more »
Brendan
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Oh , so you think the President ordered the curtain?

THeim
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His administration did….no one else could. The president IS responsible for everything his ADM does….regardless of how clueless he appears to be about everything (EXCEPT for things that make him look good).

Guest
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Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats represent the American people, haven’t done so in years.

Both need to go

Warren Raymond
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Its not ‘liberals’, its the Obama regime trying to replace everything America is with Islam.

Brendan
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The policy goes back to July 2008, before Obama was President.

1Prophet
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As a Christian & a Vietnam vet. I would shed a tear, but I’m all out………… Please Allen, run for POTUS!

Harvey Henkelmann
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Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans represent the American people, haven’t done so in years.

Both need to go

BobGuy
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Why would anybody let these curtains remain intact? Seems that there would be plenty of fellows who would just keep tearing them down. Call the news first and get a camera crew out to film it…

Reba
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Yep and the Veterans should remove the curtains. If this is not corrected, then we should demand the Mosques in “Our Country” are closed and torn down.

Jeffrey G Hayes
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Um, this reads a bit fishy to me. When I was a chaplain in a VA hospital in 1994, it was standard practice then not to represent my faith (I am Christian-Presbyterian) because the soldiers were undoubtedly of many different faiths (Christian-Baptist, Christian-Methodist, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.). And the chapel at my hospital had no particular religious symbols at all. Chaplains and chapels have to be non-denominational and non-specific-religion to minister to soldiers of many different faiths. So I’m skeptical the claims of this article.

Saltporkdoc
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Sadly, Rev. I am not skeptical. My dates of service greatly precede yours, and I was NOT a chaplain but a Corpsman, however, while in boot camp I was the company’s “religious Petty Officer” and in the Blue Jackets’ Choir. As such, my job was to see that all trainees attended either the Protestant, Catholic or Jewish services of their faith AND,since I was a Protestant (Methodist), to sing at all of the Sunday Protestant services. Chaplains whom I was exposed to ranged from rabbinical (I attended synagogue with my company’s jewish congregants) to at least 4 main stream Protestant… Read more »
Jeffrey G Hayes
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Oh, Saltporkdoc, I have no doubt he would receive such orders in Afghanistan, but this article is reporting on a chapel here in the States. Please read the statement from the VA in Iron Mountain that I linked above. And I also have no doubt that as Christianity – a faith I profess – is no longer privileged in our country to the degree it has been in the past that roles such as the chaplaincy have changed as a consequence: we can no longer assume everyone is Christian. When I studied and served as a chaplain, our emphasis was… Read more »
jstan442
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michigan is a new muslim enclave–look it up–they do what they want–we need to intervene and send them back to their country

Justin Ahlquist
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ah pastoral care is taking care of Christ’s flock which their spiritual needs, clearly nothing else since the military provides everything else and afsc/mos/rates are pretty well defined, its pretty cut an dry.

Saltporkdoc
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I understand that, Rev. I also bemoan the diminution and dilution of Christianity in American society today. I also under stand the role, functioning and practice of pastoral care. (I am the son of an ordained Methodist minister and was a Licensed Local Pastor in the United Methodist Church as well.) It was in that very capacity of pastoral care that my friend was ordered NOT to pray with the communicant! I remember a book my father showed me when I was about 10 yrs old entitled “One God and the Many Ways We Worship Him”. It influenced my world… Read more »
Marc Sas
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Yep, sounds fishy to me too. Why would they go to “the time and expense,” as the article states. Why not just remove the symbols? What’s the rest of the story I wonder?

Jeffrey G Hayes
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I was right. Here’s the statement from the VA at Iron Mountain, that is as I remember from so long ago: http://www.ironmountaindailynews.com/page/content.detail/id/546217/Religious-freedom.html.

Brendan
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Thank you for bringing reason and facts into the discussion on this page.
All too often, people are too quick to be outraged before checking the facts.

Deitwiler
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Thanks for providing the link. Unless a chapel is specifically designated as a Christian chapel, there need not be any symbols whatsoever. Each group should bring its own when using the chapel and then removes them when finished. As a conservative Christian I attend a church which has virtually no symbols except for a cross on the pulpit. What we do is carry the cross and all symbols in our hearts. I do, however, object to restrictions on being able to bring those not presently following Christ the written Word of God expressing the actual Word of God when done… Read more »
Eric Domejean
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So they are following the constitution and ensuring that no one religion is shown preferential treatment, just as Allen West is whining about but is too stupid to realize that they are doing exactly what he said.

Janice Evans Pfeiffer
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Janice Evans Pfeiffer

Eric, you are just plain rude! Lt. West is right, you are wrong. Our country is being destroyed by the liberals. Freedom of religion is a right in this country. Obama is shoving his hidden agenda down our throat – which includes destroying Christianity. I am counting the days until Obama is out of office….I am sure there are many Americans that will be celebrating…..welcoming back competent Republicans. Of course anyone would be better than communist agenda driven Obama.

Eric Domejean
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I stand by my statement. President Obama is not destroying christianity, you are destroying Christianity with your fake martyrdom. As for Obama being a communist, then your comment of competent is correct as he is a terrible communist. The GOP are the real commies in this country.

Deitwiler
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Lt. Col. West is neither whining nor stupid, Eric. Your comments are in need of revision. They really are uncalled for.

Eric Domejean
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I stand by my comments and assessment of criminal west.

Brendan
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This poorly researched and factually inaccurate article is actually a good example of proof that Mr West is whining and stupid.

Deitwiler
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Doubling down on insults, Brendan, doesn’t add to the discourse. A reasonable discussion of the topic is necessary in order to bring about tolerance. Surely you understand this.

Brendan
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The article itself is misleading. Mr West did not bother to do research to discover this is an old policy and it is not anti-Christian. The policy is that multi-faith chapels cover up their mounted religious icons when the chapel is not being used for services or meetings pertaining to that faith. Also Mr West, in the article, insinuated that the VA referred to those Christian symbols as “offensive,” putting the word in quotation marks. There was nothing in the VA guidelines using the word “offensive.” Mr West added that word for what appears to be the intent of stirring… Read more »
Brendan
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Mr. West, please fact check before making wild accusations.
Also, why did you put the word “offensive” in quotation marks to describe the Christian symbols?
Did someone from the VA actually say they were offensive, or did you just put it in quotation marks to falsely imply that?
I understand that the more you outrage your readers, the more hits your website gets, but is it worth it to be misleading?

Janice Evans Pfeiffer
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Janice Evans Pfeiffer

Obama and his 3 stooges, Holder, Reid and Pelosi are Americas nightmare. Please GOD help the United States to recover from their evil ways!

Brendan
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What does Obama have to do with this?

Ed Darrell
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Obama has nothing to do with this. It’s VA policy that dates back at least to the early Bush administration.

buckeyebubba
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And pray that they all get stuck by lightening. Like…maybe on the golf course.

Philanthropussy
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That’s the same prayer I had for Reagan.

buckeyebubba
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Reagan and The Obamunist are not in the same universe. We at least knew where Reagan stood on the rule of law and the Constitution. Obama…..not. He’s an enemy of the state.

Philanthropussy
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I was responding to your comment about your comment about prayer for them to be stuck by lightening.

Claudette S. Rudolph
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You are a sick person as evidenced by your user name.

Philanthropussy
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Why am I sick? I gave true info. Please leave my name out of it. I had no obligation to ask you for permission .

John Burks
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the government is forbidden to establish a state religion and forbidden to repress the practice of a religion. covering the cross is forbidding the practice of religion. does covering or removing the symbols of other religions occur?

buckeyebubba
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If the display of ALL religious symbols is allowed, then there’s no bias by the government anyway. This is too difficult for these mental midgets to figure out though.

Martha Benton
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What the devil do they think a chapel is for? Blooming idiots. I bet they would allow mats though for the Muslim to pray.

Jack Moore
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not during christian services. i think that the curtain should be left open during non service times and for christian services. however, it is a public building, and non christians do serve. i see nothing wrong with other services being held in the chapel.

Brendan
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Read the VA’s response.
The chapel is for all religions.
The curtain in front of the Christian symbols is opened during Christian services and meetings… and closed when other religions are using the room.

Philanthropussy
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Muslims usually carry their own. Like a Christian can carry their symbols with them.

Philanthropussy
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Here we go again, Christians crying over Relgious Persecution. Believe it or not, not all vets (or Americans) partice Christianity. The constitution applies to everyone, not just one group. Everyone has the right to use that room for whatever spiritual mediation they what and a public room should not be filled with only one kind of religion symbols . All people have the right to free exercise of religion, not just one group. In a written statement to the Rapid City Journal Black Hills Health Care System Director Stephen R. DiStasio said “the VA Black Hills is sensitive to each… Read more »
westriversd
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Bullchit! Finally, we have an enlightened, blessed government who sees their terrible ways of the past 250 years. Now, all of a sudden, our dear leaders have realized that there are actually ‘other’ religions? Wow, our ancestors and previous elected leaders sure were terrible people and must have truly hated those non-christians by making them share chapel space that pretty much reflected the beliefs of 90 percent of those being served or were actually serving their country.

Philanthropussy
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Boo WHO, you can get your way anymore. Why js it the right yaps about their rights being violated but when someone else claims the same , it’s a problem ?
It’s not for the 90% to dictated for the 10%.

westriversd
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Of course 90% can’t dictate to the 10%, but I am sure that you are one who would say 51% can dictate what our country is and can “basically transform” the country after 250 years of being a Republic founded on Christian principles, morality and English law and order. I guess “we won” only applies when your philosophy or political preferences “win” an election?

By the way, having a Christian altar and a cross does not “dictate” anything.

Philanthropussy
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I didn’t know there was a statue of limitation on civil rights. In 250 years this nation has been transformed many times, darling. Partically every generation, war, election, weather catastrophe, invention has transformed this nation. A Republic founded on WHAT??? tell me how a bunch of male only, slave owners can tell me about morality and christain principles? Also, Jefferson was a reglious schuloar who had 2 Korans in his library. There can be an argument that the Koran influienced his views??????http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/29/thomas-jefferson-s-quran-how-islam-shaped-the-founders.html English law and order? You mean the oppressive British king’s law? What do you mean by, WE WON?… Read more »
sprdthewrd
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” Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD,” Psalm 33:12

Claudette S. Rudolph
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A chapel is a place where people can go to pray and for the most part, the people in the U.S. armed forces are from Christian families. Why should they be denied the right to practice their religious beliefs?

Brendan
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They are not denied that right.
The VA explained that the curtain covering Christian symbols is opened during Christian services and meetings… and closed during services of other denominations.

jnoto
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Many of you are missing the bigger picture. There is only ONE true GOD. All this PC BS is going to destroy this once great nation from within. The US became the greatest nation the world has ever seen because we were a God fearing Christian nation and were BLESSED like no other. Now all of that is changing. We are kicking God & any mention of Christ out of all sight and are seeing the consequences right before our eyes. Just look at what has been happening the past 1/4 century, give or take. Look at the news on… Read more »
Ed Darrell
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“Allah” means God, and it’s the God of Abraham. You’re denying Him?

jnoto
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I deny any ‘god’ that is not the god of the bible.

Ed Darrell
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If you deny Allah, you’re denying the God of the Bible.

“Allah” is the Arabic word for “God,” same as in English, we say “God.” Three religions trace their origins to Abraham: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

So “Allah” is okay with you, right?

jnoto
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Wrong. Ed, do not be decieved. The God of the Bible is named Yahweh or Jehovah..not allah. The God of the Bible clearly states that the Jews are the chosen people. While the quran states that mulims must kill the “infidel’..which is basically all non muslims. If this were true, God would clearly be a schizophrenic. Muslims claim Allah to be the God of the Bible.. then deny all the truths in the Bible. The Bible describes teachings such as islam as antichrist and describes prophets that disagree with the word of God and the words of the prophets as… Read more »
Brendan
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Schools do not teach that there is no God.
they just don’t preach religion.
They leave those choices for the family and the home.

if you want to live under religious law, you are in the wrong country.
Religious freedom is one of the pillars of this great nation…. religious freedom for all to worship (or not) how they choose.

Concerned Citizen
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Brendan, how can you say everyone has the right to their own religion, when our military are told they cant pray or say thank you God in the presents of other. How can you say all forms of worship is allowed when you know the Christian religion is being knocked down at every turn. If you don’t believe as others believe you better park your bible at the door way of your home , because those belief are attacked on a daily bases. A man even lost his job because he did not believe in abortions. Now how can you… Read more »
Brendan
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What are you talking about?
i was in the Army and soldiers can pray and even go to services on their free time.

People’s Christian beliefs are not under attack.
Christians are not being attacked for their beliefs… but they are not allowed to force their beliefs on others.

jnoto
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If they are teaching evolution as science or a scientific fact, which most of them are, in essence they are teaching them that there is no God…I agree that religous freedom is one of the pillars, and so is the freedom to express it..but look around,those freedoms are being infringed upon more and more, mainly against christians.
You say ‘religious freedom for all to worship (or not) how they choose.’…That is becoming more & more not to be the case for christians. Like i said, there is a much bigger picture. This ‘great nation’
is in a lot of trouble.

Ed Darrell
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Evolution is science. Rather like atomic theory, provable, proven (so far as anything in science is proven), replicable, and solid. You may believe that atoms don’t exist (“No one’s ever seen one!”) but that is a religious belief, and may not be taught as science in public schools.

But evolution was discovered and developed by Christians. All the major Christian sects have no truck with it. Evolution makes zero statements about God in any fashion.

You’re free to believe weird things. The rest of us don’t have to bow to your odd gods.

Brendan
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Nonsense!
Teaching evolution is not the same as teaching there is no God.
That evolution contradicts your religious beliefs does not mean it should not be taught.
Many religious people accept evolution and see it as part of God’s grand design.
there is a great deal we know about the world and nature that is not in the Bible.
That we teach these things is not an attack on God.

Tionia
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I have some questions that were not answered in the biased piece…. Are there any other religious symbols there? I didn’t see any did you? Either ALL or NO religious symbols should be in those chapels. With Allen not mentioning anything about any other religious symbol being shown my guess is there are NO other religious symbols showing YET he FAILED to mention that. WHY? Because all these people do is try and inflame the public especially putting all the blame on either Obama or the Democrats. This story is a bunch of crap!

Concerned Citizen
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Hey Tionia, do you think that it might just be that the Judeo-Christian items have been around for centuries and a big part of our military. Thought the majority of the military are Christian, services and guidance are offered for all.

Tionia
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When you are in the service and you go to a service that is of your religion it is normally not in a church or other religious building and there are no symbols. Many Christian church groups rent spaces for their services at places like public school and there are no religious symbols there. If you have Christ in your heart why do you need a symbol? Churches even have services in fields and on mountain tops for things like Sunrise services on Easter yet there are no symbols. If even one of the men or woman who fought for… Read more »
TREP
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WHAT MILITARY BASE DID YOU SERVE ON? ALL OF THE ONES I HAVE BEEN ON HAVE HAD SEVERAL CHAPELS AND CHAPLIANS OF ALL RELIGIONS,THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN LIBERALS SCREWING THE VETERANS AS THEY ARE KNOWN TO DO WHENEVER THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

Tionia
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NO! Since the VA was formed in 1930 I wouldn’t call it centuries! And it doesn’t matter what the majority are there are Veterans of all denominations and they need to be respected since they did put their lives on the line for each of us not just Christians! We have separation of church and state in this country and either you add symbols for ALL religions or none. How would you feel if you went to the chapel and there was nothing but pagan symbols there? Remember the veterans who use the chapel are free to bring symbols of… Read more »
Mike Mike
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A chapel is a holy place or area of worship for Christians, which may be attached to an institution such as a large church, a college, a hospital, a palace, a prison or a cemetery, or may be free-standing and unattached to another building.
What’s next, removing crosses and Christ from Christian churches?
“Separation of church and state” is not anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.

Ed Darrell
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Many military, and probably VA, chapels are used by many faiths: Jewish, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Sikh, Moslem and Christian.

Should Christians be “forced” to look at the symbols of other faiths in those chapels during Christian services?

Mike Mike
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Why not? If you can’t tolerate other’s rights to their beliefs then maybe you shouldn’t be in a chapel. I am never ‘offended’ looking at a statue of Buddha or any other symbol of faith.

Ed Darrell
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Hmmm. You missed Allen West’s complaint? Generally the complaints have come from fundamental Christians.

I’m not offended, either. Others are. In Islam, it’s blasphemy to portray human images — so a crucifix would defile the place, to some in Islam.

VA is trying to accommodate. Allen West is being a pest.

Roy Dahlin
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>Allen West is being a pest

Meanwhile you bile-spewing hypocrites cry “racism” anytime someone criticizes Obama.

Mike Mike
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Anyone offended by the cross of Christ in a Chapel should go do their praying in a broom closet.

Ed Darrell
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That’s funny, ironic if you weren’t joking.

Christ said Christians should pray in the closet.

Roy Dahlin
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Matthew 6:1-18 warms against being ostentatious with one’s faith. It doesn’t say “hide it,” which Matthew 10:33 then warns against.

Accommodating other faiths is one thing, but removing all Christian references from society just to appease anti-Christian bigots is hypocrisy.

Mike Mike
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I wouldn’t pray to it, but I’m not offended to see it.

Ed Darrell
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Gee, why doesn’t Allen West have the common courtesy to call the VA and ask? http://www.ironmountaindailynews.com/page/content.detail/id/546217/Religious-freedom.html Religious freedom June 3, 2014 The Daily News EDITOR: There has recently been some misunderstanding regarding the chapel at the Oscar G. Johnson VA Medical Center. The most recent national VA policy dating back to July 2008 states that “chapels are appointed and maintained as places for meditation and worship, and when VA Chaplains are not providing or facilitating a religious service for a particular faith group, the chapel must be maintained as religiously neutral, reflecting no particular faith tradition.” This means that the… Read more »
Mr. Wizard
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WATCH THE VIDEO : America You have been warned http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDx2cnOyQQ ALAN B. WEST, Can i get as response to this question please !!! WHOS GOING TO STOP THEM ? http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/11/381946.shtml When Obama declares Marshall law due to a false flag national emergency! and the DHS actually suspends our elected government and the Crony Czars of the DHS actually take control of the government, bypassing congress and the people/citizens totally. The DHS, the EPA, the FDA are all largely controlled by members of the Muslim Brother Hood. And many of the CIA /NSA are card caring members of CPC congressional progressive… Read more »
Doug Indeap
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Separation of church and state is a bedrock principle of our Constitution, much like the principles of separation of powers and checks and balances. In the first place, the Supreme Court has thoughtfully, authoritatively, and repeatedly decided as much; it is long since established law. In the second place, the Court is right. In the Constitution, the founders did not simply say in so many words that there should be separation of powers and checks and balances; rather, they actually separated the powers of government among three branches and established checks and balances. Similarly, they did not merely say there… Read more »
Southern Xposure
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Ever notice the more words – the weaker the argument. Nice try however.

Doug Indeap
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No, I haven’t noticed that. And merely calling an argument weak is no argument at all.

Southern Xposure
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Listen to Luke: “For what is a man profited if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits himself? 26″For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. Why are we ashamed?

Floyd M Conaway Jr.
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If veterans will be allowed to go into the private sector for their medical needs I wonder if they will need to sign up for obama care. If so it will be a lose lose for the veterans. Why? Because there will be a large number of veterans flooding the private sectors facilities and they would be stuck in the obama care system if they wanted it or not. For obama it will be a win win. Why? Because it will seems like putting veterans in the private sector is helping them and it will boost the number of people… Read more »
Roy Dahlin
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This doesn’t seem like it was meant to accommodate other faiths. It seems more like it was meant to appease anti-Christian atheists, who are always louder and more obnoxious than anyone else about censoring Christianity even though it’s mostly within culturally Judeo-Christian societies where they’re free to criticize.