LGBT activists pushing for gay clubs in middle schools

If you ever wonder why more parents are moving their kids to charter schools or even home schooling the following may be why. I always thought the mission of public schools was to prepare children for success with the necessary academic skills, but unfortunately the teachers unions and some special interest groups don’t see it that way.

Instead they see our schools as the breeding ground for their respective agendas.

And so a hat tip to our cohort LTC (Ret) Dr. Rich Swier who writes, “The homosexual-transgender movement is working hard to indoctrinate schoolchildren as young as possible. By far, the most effective way is to get them into school-based “gay” clubs that are run by activist, often radical, adults, but though otherwise unsupervised. They have been working at this for several years, but are now ramping up their efforts considerably.

Writing for Mass Resistance, Brian Camenker reported last week on this year’s annual Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) Conference in Boston which brought together LGBT teachers, activists, and supportive administrators to discuss their latest tactics for the schools. A prominent part covered strategies for setting up “gay-straight alliance” (GSA) clubs in as many middle schools as possible, given that most high schools now have them.

Silly me, what ever happened to the three Rs; reading, ‘riting, and ‘rithmetic? I guess this is how we get those test scores to be more competitive against the rest of the world.

Just one simple point — can you imagine if there was a conference of Christians that brought together teachers, activists, and supportive administrators to promote “Christian clubs” in schools? Oh yeah, I can hear it now: the separation of church and state diatribe. So why is there not a greater outrage over the GLSEN conference? Riiight, it’s trendy and culturally acceptable to be gay — but that whole Christian thing? Archaic and antiquated. Being a Christian is mean and intolerant. Being gay is loving and tolerant – except when it comes to those brothers and the cancellation of their show on HGTV because of the loving and tolerant gay community.

Swier reports that middle schools are such an important target that GLSEN recruited an activist “LGBT” middle school student to address the conference’s opening session. She said she’s bisexual (in middle school!) and that her sister is lesbian. The girl spoke about how she helped organize the “Day of Silence” in her middle school.

She said one teacher was reluctant to put up the posters because of parent conferences that evening, saying parents might not be comfortable seeing it. The girl labeled the teacher “ignorant” and said the teacher is “no longer working at the school” (which brought a cheer).

Here’s yet another example of that tolerance thing, and it looks like that loving sense of acceptance of other views is being ingrained at an early age in the LGBT community. How wonderful, everyone is so proud of this young lady — who promoted a “Day of Silence” — when a Christian middle school student would be lambasted for requesting a “Moment of Prayer.” But then again, those Christians are mean and archaic, and their prayers are probably hate-filled.

The middle school student added that “kids are figuring out who they are younger than ever” (i.e., being persuaded to self-identify as L, G, B, or T) and that “we need to create a safe environment for them in the lower grades.” This was a mantra that was repeated again and again in the conference.

By the way, “safe environment” is the Orwellian term for a school that aggressively enforces pro-”LGBT” sexual ideology and suppresses all dissent. Given that middle school students wouldn’t have these ideas and talking points on their own, it shows how well the adult activists instruct them.

In middle school, I had a hard time figuring out whether I would survive playing both sides of the ball. I was focused on making good grades, not my sexual behavior. Darn good thing I had teachers and coaches that kept me focused – but I guess that’s not the case now. It seems our young kids are being recruited for something other than the science fair!

Here we are sitting around thinking our kids are going to school to get an academic education, when in reality they’re just lab rats in an indoctrination test tube. The sustainable approach for the gay community — since reproduction requires outside assistance– is one of recruitment and indoctrination — right in our faces.

School is about education, not indoctrination. It’s my responsibility as a parent to teach values and behavior to my children. It is because of foolishness like this that my girls attended faith-based schools.

Shame on the GLSEN supporters and this conference for seeking to steal away the responsibility of American parents. Shame on some of us for allowing this to happen. That middle school girl who castigated her teacher as “ignorant” and had her fired it seems — well, she’s the next generation that will cause a CEO, like Brendan Eich, to be fired for his personal beliefs.

Welcome to the new intolerant, fascist, radical America.


  1. So if someone wanted to set up a Striaght persons club they would support it right? Odds are no, but then they are not actually seeking fairness and justice. They are seeking special privileges.

  2. Indoctrination is taking place in our schools, with the end-state being increased support of the liberal ideology. This will, in turn, increase support for liberal politicians, allowing complete control of the country in the future. Anyone who disagrees with this indoctrination is labeled as a bigot and attacked. I’d recommend, for anyone interested, looking up Social Learning Theory.

  3. “Can you imagine if there was a conference of Christians that brought together teachers, activists, and supportive administrators to promote ‘Christian clubs’ in schools? ”

    Oh good grief. There ARE thousands of Christian clubs in public high schools. Youth For Christ alone currently reports having clubs in “over 12,000 public high schools.”

  4. It’s the subversion of family values and the manipulation of children by the state why homeschooling is on the raise. And it will keep going up till government stops trying to override parental choice in favor of the wants (not needs) of special interest groups.

      • Bigot. I spoke about the state interfering in the family. It doesn’t belong there btw and you spew hatred. Get ready because what you send out will come back to you three fold. Read the bill of rights some time. Bigot.

      • All you are is an ignorant bigot. Uganda and Russia…(rolls eyes) Go on with your hatred, like I said before it’s gonna come back at you.

      • It’s not hatred. I do not “hate” pests who spread their religious dirt and diseases. Pests should be exterminated.

      • Hate is hate is hate and you’re full of it. I feel so sorry for you. A person so eaten up by hate will always be lost in darkness. Very sad. I’ll pray for you

      • You poor, poor misinformed person. I’ve killed no one. Ever. See how deluded your hate has you. You accuse the wrong people for the acts if others. So sad.

      • No dear, brain-damaged Ugandans and Nigerians are killing gay people. The Pope is not telling Christians to run around killing gays. People have free will and they choose evil as well as good (you should understand that). Jesus doesn’t EVER say it’s ok to kill anyone. They are NOT behaving as Christians to do what they do so I will NOT own theirs sins. Now if I were to behave like you, I can generalize too and hate a whole religion of people if I want my life to be about darkness and evil. But I don’t. I’ll pray that you can see the damage your misdirected hatred is causing not just you but those you claim to “fight” for.

      • Then tell it to Allen West who works closely with FRC and NOM, one of the main sponsors of anti-gay terror in Africa.

      • Instead of slinging accusations at people and cultures who have nothing to do with what you are upset about, how about you focus on who is really responsible ie the Ugandan government. As for those two groups I know nothing of their practices. I am leery to believe your assessment of these organizations (and I will be doing my own research) because you have shown yourself to be a person of highly overblown and sensationalized opinions full of hatred and irrational conclusions. What is happening in Africa in relation to homosexuals is revolting. THIS article however is NOT glorifying what is happening in Africa it nor is it proclaiming it be done here. It is an article which discusses the contrast of “tolerance” and why the lack of such (which mind you, your comments have illustrated better then the article itself, in other words you prove Lt Col West right) is pushing families away from public education. You’re fighting the wrong battle in the wrong place.

      • Ugandans and Nigerians are killing gays in the name of YOUR religion. They cherry pick from the bible just as you do. They are just as Christian as you. They are just taking it one step further.
        FYI , praying has accomplished nothing

      • I know you tried to insult me to upset me, didn’t work for one main reason, you don’t know me so by personalizing your remarks it destroyed all real rebut. Drop your hatred and maybe you will see how wrong you are. Generalizing an entire faith is so silly it’s not even worth it. You just came off like a total foolish bigot making wild accusations with absolutely no basis. Great cereal btw.

      • You really didn’t do ANY research into this have you? You’re the sad one here.
        And yes…we do agree on one thing…great cereal.

      • Haters like you are going to hate. Personal attacks when you have zero information about the person are not effective. There’s more then one Christian faith. They don’t all think, act and practice the same. Maybe you should know that if you’re going to be bigoted against the largest combined faith in the world. (shrug)

  5. Another reason why I want to move from Los Angeles. Our local schools have had a gay and lesbian pride week for years.

  6. Their parents must be SICK!! MOST of them are liberals and are getting their just due!! The decent folks just needs a barf bag and wait til EVERYBODY realizes lgtranit are recruiting and indoctrinating OUR kids and grandkids! WAKE THE F UP you morons!!

      • Pink Swastika is a response to the “gay political agenda” and its strategy of portraying homosexuals as victims of societal and Nazi persecution. TRY READING IT

      • Suing Lively in Massachusetts under International tort “theory” on behalf of gay Ugandans is a misuse of American courts. Why did they not try him in Uganda? Oh, because they are using America’s free society that has a justice system where anyone can sue anyone for ANYTHING, true or not. Free speech is what Hitler stopped FIRST. WAKE UP. After Hitler had utilized his homosexual butch SS thugs he then had them all MURDERED.

      • yes we must WAKE UP and make “Kill the Christians” law just like Lively made “Kill the gays” law in Uganda

      • 1918-1933, psychiatry and academia have been hijacked and pressed into the service of establishing homosexualism as the basis of a new Kultur… LETS REVIEW HISTORY SHALL WE?

      • Abram Kardiner, psychoanalyst, former Professor of Psychiatry at Columbia University, 1966 recipient of the Humanities Prize of The New York Times:

        There is an epidemic form of homosexuality, which is more than the usual incidence, which generally occurs in social crises or in declining cultures when license and boundless permissiveness dulls the pain of ceaseless anxiety, universal hostility and divisiveness… Supporting the claims of homosexuals and regarding homosexuality as a normal variant of sexual activity is to deny the social significance of homosexuality…Above all it militates against the family and destroys the function of the latter as the last place in our society where affectivity can be cultivated…Homosexuality operates against the cohesive elements in society in the name of fictitious freedom. It drives the opposite sex in a similar direction. And no society can long endure when either the child is neglected or when the sexes war upon each other.

      • The Pink Swastika documents how the Society for Human Rights, founded by members of the Nazi Party, became the largest homosexual rights organization in Germany and, further, how this movement gave birth to the American homosexual rights movement. Its influence has grown. The President of the United States now receives official homosexual delegations at the White House who expect the President to repay them for helping him into office. They expected him to “normalize” homosexuality in the American military.

      • “As a Jewish scholar who lost hundreds of her family in the Holocaust, I welcome The Pink Swastika as courageous and timely . . . Lively and Abrams reveal the reigning “gay history” as revisionist and expose the supermale German homosexuals for what they were – Nazi brutes, not Nazi victims.”
        Dr. Judith Reisman, Institute for Media Education

      • “The Pink Swastika is a powerful exposure of pre-World War II Germany and its quest for reviving and imitating a Hellenistic-paganistic idea of homo-eroticism and militarism.”
        Dr. Mordechai Nisan, Hebrew University of Jerusalem

      • The Pink Swastika explains how homosexuals can be both Nazis and their victims. The authors contend that more masculine, “butch” homosexuals were responsible for building the Nazi party and creating the SA, or Brownshirts. Male homosexual “femmes” were persecuted by the Nazis, but largely escaped death… Hitler had the butch homosexuals killed on the Night of the Long Knives as they posed a threat t his power. This mass killing was no part of the Final Solution.According to liberal historian and Clinton’s college mentor, Caroll Quigley in

        Tragedy and Hope (1966) Hitler’s intimate friend, Captain Rohm and his trusted homosexual cadre of Storm Troopers staged the famed burning of the Reichstag. Along with other bully-boy tactics, this would frighten people into supporting the Nazi party and Hitler. For our purposes here it is useful to see what Quigley says about homosexual Nazi Storm Troopers: Accordingly….a plot was worked out to burn the Reichstag building and blame the Communists. Most of the plotters were homosexuals and were able to persuade a degenerate moron from Holland named Van der Lubbe to go with them. After the building was set on fire, Van der Lubbe was left wandering about in it and was arrested.
        Rohm was murdered by Hitler’s orders.

      • Lively and Abrams call attention to what Hitlerism really stood for, abortion, euthanasia, hatred of Jews, and, very emphatically, homosexuality. This many of us knew in the 1930’s; it was common knowledge, but now it is denied…”
        R. J. Rushdoony, The Chalcedon Report

      • Excellent book! This book gives ample evidence that the sexual perversion of homosexuality easily lends itself to authoritarian impulses….The underlying theme is that when a society accepts a moral relativistic philosophy (leading to acceptance of homosexuality) it could very well lead to the eventual destruction of…constitutional rights..”
        Steve Baldwin, Executive Director, Council for National Policy

      • It remains characteristic of the Germans, that they, outwardly the most brutally masculine of all European peoples, are the most homosexual nation on earth.

        H.R. Knickerbocker, Is Tomorrow Hitler’s?, 1941:34

      • No, Joe. The most debunked book in history is The Communist Manifesto. Everything karl marx said or predicted has turned out wrong. Probably no other single man in history has been AS WRONG as karl marx was.

  7. School is no place for a sex club. Never did I see a boyfriend/girlfriend club being supported or encouraged by a school. Tell the LBGTS or whatever they are to go fly a kite.

  8. the activists are MAD, but you know what they are who they are . I blame the parents that complain but still send their kids to these schools . only a parent is responsible of what happens to their children, there is no excuse . Even before all this gay agenda phenomenon it was clear for me that i would never send my kids even one meter of a public school , let alone let them hang out with public school kids . until they are 13-15 , i am not letting the responsibility of my children to ANY other adult , except the father of course , not even a nanny . some people are crazy, they think they can just put their own ideas in the head of other people’s children . its not the time to take risks anymore, either you do something now, or tomorrow your kids will look, act and think like Miley Cirus and Justin Bieber

      • yeah, i know you would sell your kids to the gov if they asked you to, yet it is not the case for everyone, no they do not belong to me, but the responsibility to raise them to become free thinkers and not stupid leftist pr**ks, belongs to me, and me alone. And i intend to do just that

      • lol, you wish i told you about my life you stupid tool, and i repeat keep my children names out of your dirty mouth or I will take the necessary measures with this site and will flag you as a pedo . i dont come here to have sickos like you talk about my children, and do i dont know what behind your screen . i havent talked once about religion, so that also mean you are delusional. a delusional sick p*rv.

  9. Wow. And I always was under the false assumption that school was to learn the three “r”s. I am all for people being tolerant of other people but really?

  10. To add yet another conspiratorial twist, look at the reduction in the population growth problem. Look at the reduced federal funding needed for education. Somewhere there is a democrat, in a position of power, that this makes sense to. I don’t care if gays and lesbians want to have their little pride parades and frolic in the street together, but leave the children, other people’s children alone.

    • No, let’s just rape rape rape everything that moves like Christians do in Uganda. That’s why they have so many children who die of AIDS.

      • You aren’t helping your cause. How about another argument other than the Uganda problem? I am with you , I don’t see any reason for religion to be in schools either.It is complete backwards thinking to believe that nonsense. There are many more problems and fallacies i’d bring up about it than the Uganda stuff.

  11. Intolerant, fascist and radical is your side. What’s wrong with there being a gay club? There are clubs of all sorts including Christian clubs. You just want to continue oppression of gays and this is another example of that.

      • but that is the problem parents are teaching hate, they need to be teaching love and respect. when was the last time you were even in a public school? when i started high school i never once saw a fight, i had many out of the closet friends and was dating a girl. I was 16 years old in 9th grade. I was told to stop holding my girlfriends hand as we walked from class to class. I was also told i wasn’t allow to give her a simple kiss on the cheek. I was treated with oss and iss. But it didnt matter what the straight adults told me. If the straight kids got to do it then i was going to as-well. I never had that problem when i was dating a boy.I moved to Longview TX in the middle of the school year and on my first day of school i saw 4 fights, 1 of which were caused my homophones kicking the life out of two gay boys holding hands. Simply holding hands!! But if straight people hold hands its not a big deal!!??The bulling and hate is fulled by the parents and the media how men and woman should act and dress. Parents are the ones teaching children hate and how to act like fool. More and more people grow up to be horrible people and disrespectful because the parent gave them no home training.

    • It is one thing to have gay clubs at adult age or above 18, not in junior high school. Kids are too impressionable and can’t make up their minds as to who or what they are at that age. They do not need to be indoctrinated or “steered” in the wrong direction so early in their lives

    • You obviously either didn’t read the article or your reading comprehension is equivalent to that of a first-grader.

      • half these people only bothered to read the headline, they are trolls. They are paid to jump onto any and every article that talks about gays. It’s an internet tactic.

  12. “School is about education, not indoctrination. It’s my responsibility as a parent to teach values and behavior to my children. It is because of foolishness like this that my girls attended faith-based schools.”

    Oh, the irony.

  13. When the stimulation of sexual nature is activated in the brain, it can never be turned off again … and the brain will cause the reaction of the need and craving for sex, just as all the other bodily needs like food, water, etc. Animals have this same instinct beginning anywhere from 6 months old to a year, and from then on, especially the male is consumed by his need to mate. Why would anyone want to turn our children, still practically babies, into these premature sex seekers? Use your head, people.

  14. Pastor Scott Lively
    2/4/2014 7:53 AM PST
    Just a short note from the “fever swamps.” The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion was a vicious piece of false propaganda designed to harm the Jews based on irrational hatred against them. The facts I relate about homosexuality and the “gay” movement are all true and well documented, some by our own Centers for Disease Control. And my purpose is not to harm homosexuals but to prevent them from co-opting mainstream family-based culture which will not survive transformation to the sexual anarchy model of the “gay” subculture.

    Ironically, at the time the Protocols were “discovered” and being disseminated across Europe the Jews of Germany were engaged in a Scott Lively-style attack on the homosexual movement. Jewish moralists led by newspaper mogul Maximilian Harden exposed a homosexual cabal in control of the young Kaiser leading to a huge national scandal and very public trials. Writing in the 1940s German Jewish writer Samuel Igra postulated that this public shaming of the power-hungry “gays” was the initial cause of Adolf Hitler’s hatred of the Jews, since Hitler was by numerous accounts a male prostitute on the streets of Vienna and Munich during those days and likely identified with the defendants. It’s at least plausible.

  15. ok first off, schools still do Christians prays at all school sporting events. So dont give me that crap. also i know i was bi in the 6th grade and got bullied for it. second no one is saying that school’s cant have a Christians cant have their own club, but if you do that you have to allow all religions have a club and i mean every single one. also kids need to feel safe at school, throughout my middle and high school career i was bullied for 2 main reasons, i was fat and i am bisexual. Also, teaching tolerance at a younger level is much needed. You want to go on about its the parents job etc etc, well itz the parents who are teaching children to hate one another. I am a Christian and I also am a bisexual. I do what I am taught to do as a Christian love my bothers and sisters. I will by the new testament not the ways of the old. Being gay is not trendy or culturally acceptable, people still get bullied and harassed daily for being LGBT. Kids are killing themselves because of the bulling they get at school, home, work, online! If is were trendy or culturally acceptable these things wouldnt happen. People think gays are morally wrong, and this if from the same so call Christians that go on about how GOD says it is wrong. Look again, in the new testament there is not a single passage about gays. Therefore all this hate and judgement these Christians are doing is wrong and in their sense they too will go to hell. Further more Jesus died on the cross for all of our sins, past present and future . WE are all born into sin we are all sinners. I was taught that GOD loves ALL his children no mater what sins they have done. AS humans we live our lives full of sin every single person has done some short of sin in their lifetime. and just for everyone i looked up gays in the new testament. I left the link at the bottom.

    “The traditional interpretation of Bible teachings is that homosexual acts of all kinds are serious sins. But in recent years, a number of questions and issues have been raised which challenge the traditional interpretation:

    It is often pointed out that there was no concept of a loving, consensual same-sex relationship in Biblical times. Neither was there an awareness of an innate sexual preference. Homosexual acts were viewed as a violation of the “holiness code” of Leviticus which separated the Israelites from the conduct of the pagan peoples of the world7. So the question arises whether consensual homosexual acts violate Bible teachings, or were the Bible passages intended to apply only to homosexual acts involving idolatry, rape, prostitution or pederasty?

    Even if consensual homosexual acts are not specifically addressed, would they be prohibited under the more general prohibition against “fornication” or “sexual immorality?” (Matthew 15:18-20, Mark 7:20-23, Galatians 5:19-21) The Bible never gives a list of exactly what acts are considered immoral, so there is no definite answer to this question.

    Is the husband-wife model desirable for everyone (Genesis 2:24, Matthew 19:4-5, Mark 10:6-8), or not (Matthew 19:10-12, 1 Corinthians 7:7-9)?

    Is the New Testament prohibition against homosexual acts an important spiritual law for all times? Or was it more just a warning against creating a scandal by violating the cultural norms of that time in history, as in the case of slavery (1 Corinthians 7:21-22, Ephesians 6:5-6), the role of women (1 Corinthians 14:33-35), dress (1 Corinthians 11:4-7), etc.?

    Are homosexual acts especially serious sins, as suggested by Leviticus 20:13? Or are they relatively minor sins because they were not mentioned in the Ten Commandments or by Jesus, and there are only 7 other mentions in the Bible? (In comparison, the sin of hatred is mentioned 21 times, lying and false testimony 30, greed, avarice and covetousness 40, theft 42, adultery 52, murder 57, self-righteousness 79, and idolatry 169 times.)

    Is a consensual homosexual relationship any more abominable to God than the worldliness and other sins that we are all guilty of? (Matthew 5:21-22, 5:27-28, 6:24-25, Mark 7:20-23, Luke 17:26-27, Colossians 3:2, 1 Timothy 6:10, 2 Timothy 3:2-7, Hebrews 13:5, etc.)

    Our answers to these questions tend to be strongly influenced by our personal feelings about homosexuality. But, if we are sincere about using the Bible for guidance, we must not assume that the Bible passages on homosexuality support our own conservative or liberal viewpoints. Instead, we must put aside our own ideas, feelings and fears and prayerfully seek the truth.

    Sexual Orientation is not a Sin

    There is a tendency to confuse homosexual tendencies and feelings with acts of homosexual intercourse because the English word “homosexuality” is often used to describe both.

    However, regardless of how we interpret the Bible’s teachings about homosexual acts, it is important to note that the Bible does not condemn people for having homosexual tendencies. It is certain actions that are prohibited by Bible teachings, not tendencies or feelings.

    A boy or girl who discovers homosexual feelings should realize that, like other interests and feelings, it may be only a passing phase that will fade away in time. Meanwhile, he or she should avoid becoming obsessed with the feelings or indulging in any kind of sexual activity.

    A homosexual Christian man or woman is presented with great challenges, and great strength is often achieved by learning to deal with great challenges. Perhaps God has some special mission in mind for that person that is best accomplished outside the restrictions imposed by traditional marriage and family duties.

    Miscellaneous Topics

    Are Homosexual Relationships Mentioned in the Bible?

    It is sometimes said that the friendship between David and Jonathan (1 Samuel 18:3-4, 2 Samuel 1:26) was an example of a homosexual relationship. The relationships between Ruth and Naomi (Ruth 1:14) and between Jesus and John (“the disciple Jesus loved” in John 13:23; 19:26; 21:7; 21:20) are also mentioned.

    In modern Western culture we associate touching, kissing and the word “love” with a sexual relationship. But that was not at all the case in Biblical era culture. Most Bible scholars say these relationships were no more than close friendships. That is especially clear in the case of Jesus and John – the word translated as “loved” was the Greek word agape, which means kindness and respect rather than romantic or sexual love.

    Should a Christian oppose Gay Marriage and Partnerships?

    There is no mention of same-sex marriages or partnerships in the Bible, either for or against.

    Some Christians are strongly opposed to legalizing what they view as sinful behavior and a perversion of God’s plan for marriage and distinct gender roles (Genesis 2:24, 3:16-19, Leviticus 20:13, Mark 10:6-9). Other Christians view equal civil rights for gays and lesbians as a requirement of Bible teachings that we must act with kindness and respect for all people and avoid judging the moral choices others make (Matthew 22:37-40, Matthew 7:1-5, Romans 14:10-14, James 4:11-12 ).

    Can Homosexual Men and Women be Ministers or other Clergy?

    The only mentions of qualifications for clergy are in 1 Timothy 3:1-13, and homosexuality is not mentioned there. All of us, including clergy, are imperfect and sinners in our own ways (Romans 3:23, 1 John 1:8). The question seems to be whether homosexuality should disqualify a person from ministry while other sins (e.g., evil thoughts, greed, deceit, envy, arrogance and folly, Mark 7:20-23) do not disqualify a person. There are obviously different opinions.

    Will Homosexuals go to Heaven?

    The Bible does not make any distinction between homosexual people and anyone else in this regard. We are all sinners in our own ways (Romans 3:23, 1 John 1:8), and the Bible says God will forgive any sin if a person sincerely repents and also forgives other people.

    Related articles: What Does the Bible Say About Salvation?, What Does the Bible Say About Forgiveness of Sins?

    Does God Hate Homosexuals?

    That is a slogan used by some hate groups, but it does not come from the Bible and it is not consistent with Bible teachings (Genesis 1:31, Psalms 145:9, Matthew 5:43-45, John 3:16, Romans 5:8).”

    • You said “in the new testament there is not a single passage about gays”…what version are you reading? Romans 1:24-32 Amplified Bible (AMP)
      1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (King James Version) or AMP Version. There’s plenty more. Even Jesus said this about marriage: Matthew 19:4-6(AMP). These verses seem to apply to you: Titus 1:16 Amplified Bible (AMP), Jude 1:4 Amplified Bible (AMP)

      I’m a former lesbian, that accepts the grace and forgiveness that Jesus died for me to have. I can no longer allow myself to be seduced by satan and his worldly ways. I chose to no longer give myself over to a lifestyle that does not honor or show appreciation for the love & forgiveness that God has given me through Jesus. God created a man and a woman and satan is doing his best to corrupt and deceive all of creation. Yes, we are all sinners and yes, we are all unworthy of heaven…but you can not rightfully stand with one foot in scripture and one foot in the ‘world’. Maybe you can, but I can’t. Jesus has plenty to say about luke-warm Christians, but I’m sure your already familiar with those verses too.

      • So I guess you won’t be hoping for her to find peace like you did Lt Col West, huh? She said she became a Christian, not Jewish. It’s ok for Christians to eat shellfish. When you want to insult a person for choosing to live their life how they want to (how very intolerant of you to make fun of a gay person and her lifestyle choice) make sure you use the right ammo.

  16. This is why all my grand children have or are attending Christian schools. If my kids struggle with tuition, I am more than happy to help. I worked hard all these years to help my kids & grandkids have a better life than I had. I’d rather have them indoctrinated into God and the teachings of Jesus than to be subjected to the filthy lifestyle of the HOMOsexuals. I explained HOMOsexuality to my kids when I felt they were old enough to get a grasp on it and they will talk to their kids about it when they see fit to, not some twisted perverted liberal socialist teacher.

      • Good news! None of them are. Thank God! I’m sure they’d all appreciate your concern. LOL!!!

      • Good, I cannot even imagine how horrible and painful it would be for them to grow up in a family like yours if they were.

      • Now, you didn’t ask about other family. I have two other family members who are gay. Their lifestyle and drama is not allowed at family get togethers. We accept they are gay. We don’t want to hear about it. After being drama queens for a few years, they decided that they would rather be part of the family and respect our wishes than continue on with their childish tirades.

      • Yeah, sure thing… Again, your grandkids are lucky. I can’t imagine how painful it would be to be constantly degraded and put down on by your own family. To be called a “drama queen” for wanting to share your life and feel as if you had support… Being gay in your family would surly be a tragedy.

      • That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. Doesn’t mean you are right or wrong.

        If they want to share their lives, they have more than enough gay friends to do that with. Besides, I’m straight. What do I know about gay concerns. How could I possibly help one of them when I’m not gay. They are better off prancing around with their gay friends.

        Again o gobbler of knob, my grandkids are just fine. If any of them were gay, I’d give them a hug and tell them to save the drama for their friends.

        Now run along and go tip toeing through the tulips with the rest of your drama queens. You’ll feel better and my friends & I will have something to laugh at.

      • I’m not gay, but where you and I are different is that I wouldn’t ever turn away a member of my family who was and needed my support. I would certainly always be in their corner 100% because you do for family even if it makes you uncomfortable. And I definitely would never make them feel unwelcome or looked down upon in my home or at my table.

      • Goody goody gum drops for you Kyle. You want a medal or a chest to pin it on? I can’t stand candy ass liberals. Bye bye now Kyle.

      • I’d much rather have them religious brain infected than HOMOsexual brain infected. At least with religion they get the 10 commandments and some decent morals.

  17. Dear Allen West: Rich Swier did NOT write that article. He re-posted it (with our permission – and we are glad he did) from our website We are a pro-family group that has been active for over 18 years, based in Massachusetts. We’re the ones that went into that conference and got that information. We would encourage your readers to get on our email list and see what’s REALLY going on in the schools.

    • You’re pro-hate group that must be banned and all your members publicly executed. Just like you wanted to do this with gays in Uganda,

      • These kinds incredible lies the obsession with illogical “hate” talk is exactly what parents are fighting. They are far more childish than the students they are propagandizing to.

      • Not lies, just facts. Uganda, Nigeria, Jamaica, Russia. You advocate for “Kill the gays” law in Uganda. I advocate for “Kill the Christian terrorists” law in the US.

    • Mass Resistance is one of the parties responsible for gays being beaten and murdered in the US and worldwide, as are people like proven war criminal Allen West, whose very personality is the definition of fascism. And the gay community had nothing to do with the Benham Brothers losing their HGTV show – it was a marketplace decision by the company, but West doesn’t bother with the fact since he’s preaching to the low-info crowd who will listen to anyone who reinforces their prejudices.

      • I know nothing about the group Mass Resistance, but after I read your comment on Lt Col West I can only assume your opinions and accusations of them are just as wrong. Here’s where you went wrong, there is no “PROVEN” evidence of Lt Col West being a “war criminal” You may not have agreed to with campaign he served in but that does not make him a “war criminal”. Look up Nazi War Criminal, that should give you an idea how overblown your label was and why you lost TOTAL credibility. While you are googling “war criminal” PLEASE look up the actual definition of “fascism”. You don’t seem to know what it really means either.

  18. Your message doesn’t sound very Christ like; more like spreading fear. One of the best things you can do for a person is protecting them of fear, teaching about developing peace, and not spreading hateful rhetoric that twists and manipulates the truth and not participate in a livelihood that makes its wage on how much fear one can whip up. That hatred and fear that you have in your heart Mr. West I hope you some how are able to dissolve before you take your final breath. I hope you find peace some day.

    • it’s not spreading fear to tell people what is going on. As for his opinion to what is happening, this is an editorial blog. You have the right to disagree, but he has the right to bring attention and information on any subject he sees fit to do so.

    • Good Christians are not infecting them with aids and STD’s either. If you hate Jesus just say so. If you don’t believe in God just say so. You have to live with your sins. Don’t lay your liberal crap on a bunch of impressionable kids. Let them grow up and know what homosexualism is. You people are not GAY. You are anything but GAY. The harder you push your agenda the harder you will meet resistance. You are not going to get what you want by boycotting or parading. You are sick, pitiful creatures that have no place in nature. Homosexualism is a brain disease. Don’t infect the kids with it. You’ll regret it. Keep gay clubs out of the schools or let God back in so there is a choice. You can’t have just your way.

      • Do you mean Christian heaven in Uganda where STDs are rampant. Heterosexual Christians are happy to infect each other with AIDS.

  19. Next it’ll be homosexual clubs in elementary schools? When the hell do we stop this craziness? Does anyone have the stones to tell these radical homosexual freaks to stay away from schools at every grade level.?

    • Pretty sure the kids are the one requesting the clubs, not “the gay mafia”. Nice try spreading lies though! But maybe if you want to grab those stones and start throwing them at people, Jesus will be so proud. Have fun in hell!

      • Just keep your perversions away from schoolchildren, how difficult is it to understand that kids shouldn’t be subjugated to a deviant lifestyle? School should be a place for learning not orientation into a perverse sexual lifestyle.

      • Actually, hetero children are learning more perversion that the gay ones! Sick girls wearing too short shorts to school looking like whores.

      • Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”1
        Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them.”
        1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
        Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

    • ok tony heres one for you to think about. i was one of those freaks you are talking about. when i came out the closet i was 12 or 13 yrs old in middle and i was outed by someone like you. the difference if my family and friends still love me even then and most of my friends were girls who werent bisexual or pansexual. i knew i liked girls since i was 8 yrs old but didnt tell anyone because there were people like you telling all over saying that its wrong where in all honestly your the wrong ones. all these kids want is somewhere safe to talk and to feel apected but people like YOU are the reason why people in the LGBTQ community often kill themselves. Its people like you why the US has such a high suicide rate in children and teens ages 10-21.

      • how ignorant can you get? people don’t kill themselves because they are gay. and being part of the LGBTQ community does not equal perversion. if you wanna talk perversion go to or there is where you will find perversion of all kinds straight including! being ignorant is a choice being a bigot is a choice, what choice you wear or what color you what to dye your hair is a choice. the food you eat is a choice. but who you which gender you love and the fact you have to put up with stupid people everyday is NOT a choice.

      • oh my word, i finally get back online and i come to this. wow just when i thought you couldn’t get more ignorant. you can’t make any valid points to anything I have said. I am not sure if it’s more sad or funny. But they do say you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, I guess that goes for thought process of humans as well. Oh well if you choose to keep your mind closed and live a life of ignorance, hatred,and judgement of things that you clearly can not comprehend then that is your choice. I choose a life of happiness and love.

      • Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”1
        Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them.”
        1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
        Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

      • please do explain how she is tell on herself? that sounds so stupid. all she said was perversion was on those sites. there are different ways people gain knowledge and wisdom sir. and though you are quoting verses of the bible you clime to follow may i point out that man, not god wrote the bible. man has free will, therefore how are we to know what is truth? also while you are judging the sins of other take a good hard look at yourself sir. because as you may quote only parts of the bible that fit what you choose to bible or wish to follow more so then others. also as you point out and judge to sins of others and damn them to hell just be wary that you will have a one way ticket allow with them i guess. though from what my love of the lord has taught me is ” love thy nabyboor as you would yourself” i believe it goes., also the lord Jesus died for the past present at sfracture sins, also i know the son the lord and the holy ghost love all their children no matter wheater they are gay or straight or mean and innornet because God made me in his image. and ONLY THE LORD CAN JUDGE ME. THE difference between us sir is we believe and hate faith with our hearts, not what some madfe man book tells us to believe.

      • Your ilk won’t be allowed near ST. Peter and the pearly gates. One way trip to the fiery bowels of HE – double hockey sticks will be your only location that will allow your perverted lifestyle….

      • see their you go judging again and damning people to hell. you claim i have a perverted lifestyle sir, but please quote me where i said anything about anything about having any such lifestyle. also for the simple fact sir that you are just a man sitting behind a computer screen and thus do not know me, how can you say i live such a perverted lifestyle when you neither not know me nor have ever seen nor say one spoken word to me yet you judge my lifestyle as perverted when i gave no indentation as to having one in my only other post. in fact in my last post i stated how much i believed in God, the son and the holy ghost. i sir am a southern Baptist and have been baptized, not like it is any of your business. but before you wrongfully judge people like you have been doing this whole time you should just stop. it is completely possible to believe in God, but not believe in the bible. Thus the bible is very out dated and regarding the beginning post to Sir West, if the parents don’t agree then simply take the children out of the school. The children are the ones making the request for the clubs not the teachers or the gay mafia or any such dumb thing like that. And to everyone saying that there should be Christian clubs, thats fine with me but then you have to let EVERY SINGLE RELIGION who wants a club to have one. That is only fair. But no then all the other people would be hating on the non Christens clubs. What ever happen to loving one another? What ever happen to wanting all the children to feel safe? Children don’t feel safe in schools anymore, not with teachers raping students not with students raping other students, not with students killing each other over mindless petty things, not when drugs and sex is all that is cared about. No students do not feel safe and that is in any grade level. Here in Texas earlier in 2014 an 8 yr stabbed another student other who was a bigger fan of slanderer man. I am 21 years old and i am one of the handful of girls that went to my high school between 2009-2013 (if they finished or not i am not sure) that did not have a child. So while ya’ll are making this a bigger deal then it really is real problems are going on in our middle and high school right this minute that could be addressed and possibly solved.

  20. School clubs for sexuality? Doubt a student’s membership to such clubs will mean much or impress college recruiters or students future employers.

  21. Mr. West: I am sure you know by now that children can form any kind of club they wish. It isn’t due to some weird ideology out there, but due – I am quite certain – to these kid’s desire to form such clubs.

    And you are correct about one thing: Christianity should not be equated with being antiquated and archaic, but guess what? Folks within evangelical circles have presented it that way for oh so long, that most people want nothing to do with the Tea Party trademarked form of Jesus.

    Finally: A wall is supposed to separate religion and government. Now, I fully realize people love to quote just those portions of Jefferson which serve their means, you know, like the one that says, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots,” but much like they do with scripture, they select only those passages which tend to support their worldview, ideology, and belief system.

    Why do I say this? Simple! Because if they actually read Jefferson completely, they would know that he wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptists due to their request he inject religion into governmental affairs, with the following response:

    “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. ”

    See how this works?

  22. Mr. West, I’m personally holding you and everybody like you that pushes your agenda of denial and hate, for the suicides of gay kids.

    You’re a hate filled bigot, and so far, that’s all you’ll ever be.

    • what about the suicide of overweight children, how about the suicide of tall children and skinny children? How about learning disabled children who kill themselves. How DARE you blame ANYONE for that!!! You are a hate filled bigot and that’s all you’ll ever be.

      • There’s something ironic about JayJay? Your concern for my health is SO beautiful but I’m not in need of meds. That’s more for trolls like yourself. Did you remember to take your’s? I guessing not.

      • Childish. But then, we’ve come to expect that from liberals.

        Have you ever seen the Democrats’ antics in the House Of Reps in January ’95 after the Republicans won the majority in the ’94 election? It was childish beyond words, with the ever-imbecilic Bawny Fwank as the lead clown. It was over-the-top irresponsible and infantile.

        That’s what we expect from liberals — including you.

    • I don’t have a war on gay/straight/in between children. What an over dramatic, ignorant comment. If you want to generalize I can do that too. Your problem is your misdirected hatred.

    • Mr. West, Don’t fall for these pervert’s guilt trap. They are guilty and they know it. They just want to spread their guilt around. Shameless filthy perverts.

    • Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”1
      Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them.”

  23. Mr. West I can see you have a lot of misinformed people hating you and your beliefs. Why can’t the gays see it their hate that provokes others in bringing hate into this. We are not out there pushing agendas on them BUT we have to be forced into their lifestyles ideas and agendas. These people are so hateful, I am sick of it. It is so you can’t turn a tv show on without being forced into seeing so called comedies of 2 mothers raising a bunch of children who they had with men. Not funny at all!!..I don’t find seeing gays as funny, I feel sorry for them, not knowing the closeness of a man and woman being together raising a family. They don’t realize how their lifestyle choices have upset their families. Those who choose to raise kids are saying they have the right to do so BUT a heterosexual couple can’t have the same choice. School should be just for learning academics and home life is up to the parents NOT the school or homosexuals. Damn shame us heterosexuals now have to fight for our rights to raise our kids the way we want and what we want for them. Still we have to pay high school taxes for these teachers who want to teach our kids against our moral fiber. Doesn’t that sound one sided. I also don’t like being called a name like homophobic when theses are the people that have it backwards. Heterosexual was here first, you know Adam and Eve but yet they have the gall to put a name on us. They made our world UPSIDE down and the normals are now made to be in the wrong. I want the right to teach my children our ways, has been for thousands of years, and the way you want your choice to teach your kids. Leave it out of the schools. I do not hate gays, the ones I know are the most loving people I know, they are gentle people. I have met a few who are as hateful as some hetero’s so I stay away from them. We do have to live together but the gays push push and push and I don’t like anyone pushing their sick actions on me, gays, racists, or any group spreading hate. Many people on this site hate Christians I’m Christian but I follow my heart, wrong is wrong and many thinkers out there are over the moon. Many of us can quote the bible but I like the verse ” Who needs Jesus but the sinners.” We all need Jesus, gays, straights, Christian haters, and us Christians. Leave each to raise their own and leave teachers to teach only school.

    • FYI, there is no such thing as “Lifestyle choices”. What did you choose when you grew up? To choose a more difficult life? Children need to be taught how to learn to accept others. Apparently parents are doing a horrible job as it is.

    • Who is trying to force you to be gay? No one. Please stop crying about things that don’t affect you.

      And you may not know this, but YOU are your child’s parent! Not the school. See, when I was a kid, I came home from school crying one day. My teacher told me my parents were going to go to hell because they drank wine with dinner and they danced on weekends. My mother pointed out to me that while some people believe that, we did not. And I stopped crying. See? She parented. What you want is for the school to teach YOUR specific religious beliefs to all of the children. That is not what school is for.

      And if you don’t like being called a homophobe, then stop acting like one.




      • Dear Zeddy: The fact is that incest & pedophilia is prevalent within so-called heterosexual families as is incestual homosexual pedophilia and it is a family secret, for although the family appears to be normal, it is not. Such is what can create such a disturbed child that grows up to be a serial killer. For decades, homosexuals resided within the norm of appearing to married heterosexuals even producing children. That they were pedophiles and/or homsexuals was a secret, a familial secret, even protected by the spouse, often to keep the status quo. Just look at the Jerry Sandusky case. As a society we need to wipe away this veil of secrecy in order to protect children. Pedophilia is a serious crime and issue we need to deal with, homosexual or not.

  25. Trolls jump on to these articles, not to help their cause but to prevent real conversation. The minute they spew their hate, everyone gets defensive and the conversation stops. Keeping all parties divided makes it MUCH easier to push their agenda.

    • I am not here as a troll. Mr. West has put out a lot of misinformation in this story. I am merely here to call him out on his lies.

      • I didn’t personally refer to you. Interesting you took it to mean you though. Do you have an agenda you are trying to push, were you spewing hate? What is it about my comment that made you think I was referring to you? You want to disagree with him go right ahead but there are no lies in what he said. His opinion is not a lie nor is it a truth. It’s how he feels. The trolls I refer to are obvious to see. A dissenting opinion is not always a troll.

      • He is attempting to quote facts and tells stories of actual events in this “article” and twist those stories to scare people into voting for him. That is not opinion. West is trying to make up facts that justify his opinions. That is what I am commenting on. Those are called lies. Equating the “Day of Silence” protest with school prayer is asinine. Gay/Straight Alliance groups are actually asked for by the students and not forced on anyone.

        And I am merely pointing out that disagreeing with a disgraced loser like West does not automatically make one a “troll.” I’m sorry you got mad that someone called you out on your tactic of trying to shut down all conversation. Next, you will tell me that it is ME who is shutting down conversation because I called West out on his lies. And the tea party echo chamber goes on and on.

      • I already said disagreement isn’t necessarily a troll, but I guess you liked the way you said my point better. Secondly: why are you following his page if you feel he is a “disgraced loser”. THAT is the behavior of a troll. Thirdly: he did not make up a false incident so you can’t call this article a lie. As for voting for him, I have not heard him say he is running for any office. NOW I know why you took my troll comment so deeply and why you have tried to explain to me why you are not….because you are. You are following a man you dislike politically and writing inflammatory attacks in the comments in order to defuse a political run for him. Yeah, I really don’t think your opinions on him will stop his bid for office if he had one.

      • I am not following him. I found this article on a search engine. I merely responded to the claims in it.

        He is not running for office. He lost. Americans said NO in overwhelming response to him.

      • Gee that’s funny because unless you type the EXACT title of the article in the search engine, you’ll never see it. hmmm and btw Americans didn’t say ‘NO’ to him because he only ran in one county in FL which the Dems bused people in to vote against him. But I understand why a strong, confident, independent thinker like him can scare someone like you.

  26. This program is an after school program, like Christian prayer groups. Also Brendan Eich quit, not fired. He decided not to fight it unlike former Miss CA Carrie Prejean. I guess Eick missed the announcement from the Supreme Court saying dominated money was protected by the First Amendment as free speech.

  27. How many kids did you raise to be able to say how to raise kids. I’m hoping none, I’m sure they’d be a major screw up. My Christian kids were raised to accept all BUT don’t force on us what we don’t want. School is for learning not trying to teach christian children a lifestyle they will soon have to deal with in life. You raise yours we will raise ours. The world is messed up enough without some people out there trying to ruin the morals that kept us clean for hundreds of years. Now along comes the liberals and BAM the bomb drops and what they say goes. All the filth on television is upsetting the balance in our country. Live and let live but it goes both ways, stay out of our christian lives and we most certainly will not TOUCH YOURS.

  28. So a man who left the military in disgrace after torturing an innocent civilian thinks that it is “indoctrination” to have a volunteer group that meets after school to teach kids how to be more tolerant of gay people whoa are already in their classrooms? Wow. Good for you Allen. Slow clap.

  29. Michael Michael Michael I guess school didn’t teach you to read and comprehend what you are reading. I did not say anyone was trying to make me gay far from it! I’m sorry about you crying in school. School is for teaching the 3 R’s not about gays plights. I will repeat what I said for the mentally impaired “You raise your children your way and your morals leave us Christians to raise OURS in our moral way. Thank God my children are in their 30’s and 40’s not bull crap to deal with liberals looking to pollute the school system. I also said my kids have many gay friends and they all come here, eat dinner with us and I help them since they can’t go to their own parents. They call me mom and I love them ALL. My home is always open for them and they know it. Some had to live with us instead of being on the street. BUT that is the CHRISTIAN WAY AND TEACHING. I follow it always. So don’t put words into my mouth because you are so hung up of what you THINK you know.

  30. The KGCM squad has no business in our public schools. Period! Sex education is the parent’s responsibility, not the fascists at school especially those putrid loathsome HOMOsexuals. Freaks of nature!!!

  31. This article is nothing more than anti-homosexual propaganda. Mr. West, you are clearly nothing more than a southern bigot. To claim that homosexuals are “recruiting” children is probably one of the most intolerant, uneducated statements I’ve ever heard from a politician. Homosexuality is NOT a learned/taught behavior, it’s based on attraction. It’s based on how someone’s brain functions. One doesn’t just get up one day and decide; “I’m gonna be gay!”. This entire article pisses me off. Most of your articles irritate me. You’re the standard example of a right-wing extremist. Learn to coexist. The day that we stop believing that people of different backgrounds can come together, is the day that we’ve given up on the world and I doubt ANY of you reading this are ready to do that.

    • You couldn’t be farther from the truth, Josh, and would you please stop overusing the word intolerant? When someone disagrees with the gay lifestyle they are being intolerant yet when someone wants to pray in school that’s not intolerant? It works both ways. Parents should raise their children and instill beliefs they deem fit for them. They’re the parents and that’s their right. They can learn to pray at home as well as be gay at home, if they so choose. If a child believes they are gay and that’s unaccepting to the parent then that’s the way it is. Is that fair? Hell, life isn’t fair. The sooner a child learns that, the better off they will be. The education system in this country is about just that….education. It’s not about accepting or rejecting certain life choices and lifestyles. It’s upsetting for some to see Christians or Jews pray. It can be just as upsetting to a parent (or even more so) for their child to be pushed by a fellow student or adult to join a club about how it’s ok to be gay. That is a parent’s job and not the school’s or government’s. How in the hell you can defend teaching 10-13 year old children about relationships is beyond me. Learning the reproductive system and where babies come from is a far cry from teaching them about whether they should be gay or straight and what that even means. Most aren’t even in puberty yet and those that are have a couple of years before even attempting to understand what their bodies are doing. Picture this: a child who hasn’t reached puberty yet may still think boys/girls are yucky….a typical kid. They listen to these adults talk and maybe they think they’re gay before they even know what the hell that means. Let’s just give our children a good education in the classroom and we’ll leave God out if you leave gay out.

      • So you’re saying that homosexual middle school children, or those that struggle with a sense of their own sexual identity don’t deserve to have a support network? Because that’s pretty much what i’m getting out of what you said. A GSA in no way promotes promiscuous behavior, nor does it teach them to “be gay”. It’s an option program that allows students(such as myself when I was in school) to have a support network in an otherwise hostile environment.

      • What I said was that it is not the school’s business or responsibility to intervene into such matters other than teaching the biological differences between men & women and where babies come from. That’s science. Middle school children are 10-13 years old and I expressed my views on the age factor so I will digress. A parent should be allowed to parent as they deem appropriate within the boundaries of the law. A GSA can lease a building as a non-profit off school grounds and let anyone come (as I stated earlier) but it is not the school’s place. I never suggested promiscuous behavior either, btw. How far is too far? Should Al-Anon be allowed to have sessions in school for children of alcoholics and drug addicts? Probably not since they’re faith-based, right? There are a lot of great nonprofits that do all kind of great things for a variety of reasons (including churches).

      • Believing in “God” is optional. Being homosexual is not. One doesn’t just wake up one day and decide “I’m gonna be gay!”. It’s embedded into the very fabric of our being. It’s something that we’re born with. You saying that “we’ll leave God out if you leave gay out” is just idiotic. A GSA in no way indoctrinates children to behave a certain way, unlike christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

      • Therein lies our conundrum, Josh. You say believing God is optional and I disagree. My belief in God is imbedded into the very fabric of my being just like you state your homosexuality is with you. I’m sure that doesn’t resonate with you just like your views don’t resonate with me. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this and it’s ok to disagree. You just cannot have it both ways. You cannot disallow my child to pray in school because it makes you feel uncomfortable and it goes against your beliefs yet push something that goes against mine. Have your GSA after school and off school grounds. I do feel for you and your plight as I’m sure it’s not easy but life is not easy. How do you think the Muslim children feel in school nowadays especially if their parents make them dress a certain way? Why not open a class for them? Their parents have the right to raise them as they wish and they can make their own decisions once they’re grown but I’m sure it’s tough. You may think that reference is silly and your plight is much worse but maybe you do because your plight is just that….yours. Again, have your GSA after school and off school grounds and you won’t hear a peep out of me.

    • ….and further more you state: “The day that we stop believing that people of different backgrounds can come together, is the day that we’ve given up on the world and I doubt ANY of you reading this are ready to do that.”
      Are you ready to do that, Josh? Are you really ready to coexist? There are more Christians in this country than LGBTs. Can we pray at a public school? Can we say ‘Under God’ at school? Those that aren’t Christians can pray to whomever they wish or just hang around and do nothing for a little while if they choose. I mean, we HAVE to learn to coexist, right, less we’ve given up on the world. Those are your words not mine or does it only count when it’s something you’re passionate about and those that are like-minded like you and the hell with everybody else? You may say that’s not the same thing. Well, maybe not to you but are you and those that think like you the singular voice of reason in this country? If so, who is the true bigot here?

  32. What gets me is all these parents upset over nothing. At the end of the day if your child ends up being gay…SO f*ing what? It is not the end of the world is it? As long as your child grows up loved and you show them support and they are happy , shouldn’t you be too? Quit nit picking , it’s THEIR life not yours. I honestly wish all this hatred would go away.

    • I think you’re missing the point coocoo. The issue at hand is teaching middle school kids who more than likely don’t even understand what a relationship is all about. I would like to know exactly how old you are because you’re also sadly mistaken….it’s not THEIR life yet. We’re talking about middle school aged children, not adults. A parent’s responsibility is to rear the child as they seem fit. If their child chooses a gay life style once they grow up then so be it….but it is not THEIR life at 10-13 years old. If it’s that important to the LGBT community then put an ad in the paper and rent a building in the community and see who actually thinks it’s important enough to attend.


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