Coexist? U.S. Reps hit with religious discrimination in Jerusalem

In our latest installment of “How to Coexist With The Religion of Peace,” we bring you this story about the first-hand accounts by two U.S. Congressmen of religious discrimination against non-Muslims on the ruins of the Temple Mount, Judaism’s holiest site, which sit below the vast Al Aqsa Islamic complex.

As the Israel National News reports, Congressmen Andrew Harris (R- Maryland) and Ron DeSantis (R-Florida) were taken on a tour of the holy site in Jerusalem by Rabbi Chaim Richman, International Director of the Temple Institute, who pointed out religious and historical landmarks along the way. The group witnessed how Jewish groups are singled out and closely followed by “guards” from the Islamic Waqf trust which administers the site, as well as Israeli police officers, both of whom scrutinize their behavior for any signs that they might be engaging in Jewish prayers or any other non-Muslim form of worship.

Congressman Andrew Harris expressed his concern at the lack of religious freedom on the site. “I’m actually surprised that access is so limited and especially the discrimination against Jews above any other religion in visits to the Temple Mount. It surprises me as an American, believing in religious freedom, that [such religious discrimination] would exist.”

Sadly, it’s not surprising, when you consider history and the Islamic point of view. According to the Jewish Virtual Library, although it doesn’t appear in the Koran or the Hadiths, Islamic purists promote a concept that the world is divided into the House of Islam and the House of War, the Dar al-Islam and the Dar al-harb. The Dar al-Islam is everywhere a Muslim government rules and the Holy Law of Islam, Sharia, prevails. Non-Muslims may live there – but are penalized with a jizya tax. The outside world, which has not yet been subjugated, is called the “House of War,” and strictly speaking a perpetual state of jihad, of holy war, is imposed by the law. The law also provides that jihad might be interrupted by truces as and when appropriate.

Throughout history, as part of Islamic conquest, mosques were often erected in the sites of opposing houses of faith. For example, in today’s Istanbul the Hagia Sophia was once a Greek Orthodox Church dating back to the Byzantines. It was converted to a mosque after the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople in 1453. The same occurred in what is termed Al-Andalusia in the Spanish city of Cordoba after the Islamic (Moors) conquest.

The Temple Mount is Judaism’s holiest site, where the ancient Temples of Jerusalem once stood and where some Jewish traditions say the creation of the world began. Today, the Al Aqsa Islamic complex stands on the ruins of the Temples and is administered by the Jordanian-controlled Waqf, which has been accused of heading a systematic campaign to “Islamize” the site by destroying ancient Jewish artifacts. Despite its status for Jews worldwide, those Jews who wish to ascend are subjected to a range of restrictions, including time limits on their visits and the number of Jews allowed to ascend at one time.

In fact, caving in to pressure by the Waqf and other Islamist groups, Israeli police now forbid Jews from praying or carrying out other forms of worship there. Those suspected of breaking the rules are often arrested and banned from visiting for a period of time – despite numerous court rulings stating that such measures contravene Israel’s Basic Laws concerning religious freedom.

I suppose in Dar-al-Islam, the whole idea of freedom of religion and free exercise thereof is somewhat lost — as demonstrated by the abhorrent savagery unleashed against the Coptic Christians, Assyrians, and Chaldeans, all of whom existed long before Muhammad and any converts to Islam.

Of course the Islamic worldview isn’t based on historical fact anyway, but rather the premise of conquest and subjugation.

Just as an historical side note, nowhere in the Koran will you find the word Jerusalem — but you will find reference to Al Aqsa. It was Muhammad’s tale of a night ride to Jerusalem which made his followers believe they had claim to the city as a holy site — of course his visit there was never confirmed. And it’s not just Muslims who have tried to rename the City of David. After his conquest, he Roman Emperor Hadrian changed the city’s name to Aeolia Capitolina, as he tried to eradicate Judaism from the region — hmm, some things never change I suppose.

Coexist? Only after subjugation.

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diver_girl_64
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We, Jew or Christian, are supposed to be “people of the Book” according to Islam. I’m feeling the love here

AlanfromNY
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Wow, aren’t you profound!! What’s your point? Are we supposed to love a religion which hates us? Not me!!

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If you are a Christian then yes. Not the religion but love the people enslaved by it.

AlanfromNY
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Well, I’m not a Christian. As a Jew, history has taught me that turning the other cheek only gets your ass kicked. My philosophy is if someone says he wants to kill you and your people, you should kill him and his people first. I believe, as did Eisenhower, and Grant, that Peace only comes with ‘Unconditional Surrender.’ In other words, fight the enemy until they surrender. Or die trying.

eadtuff
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I don’t see you enlisting in the IDF, “AlanfromNY.”

AlanfromNY
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I’ll tell you what, eadtuff, if you know anyone in the IDF who will enlist me, I’M READY TO GO. I tried a few years ago, but apparently they have age limits. Which seems ridiculous when you’re outnumbered 100 to 1. LEMME KNOW IF YOU KNOW ANYONE. I am serious!!

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eadtuff is an antagonist, who just throws out random insults and claims them to be facts. He is a petty little man who is insecure in his own person so he projects his own inabilities and insecurities on to others.

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Fair enough. Shalom.

eadtuff
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As usual, West doesn’t do his homework. Christian churches are attacked by extremists in Israel regularly: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/05/09/jerusalem_church_defaced_with_hate_graffiti_weeks_before_pope_francis_visit.html Spoiler alert. It wasn’t by Muslims. Not to mention that Palestinian Christians were victims of the same ethnic cleansing faced by all Palestinians: http://electronicintifada.net/content/palestinians-celebrate-easter-reclaimed-galilee-village/13339

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Unfortunately I cannot come up with a nice term to describe the ignorance, confusion, wanton misinformation and otherwise stupidity of that post. Let’s leave it at that.

TanyaJane66
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The truth can hurt, can’t it?

eadtuff
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Sorry you’re bad at thinking.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Hahahahahahaha. A blithering idiot who cannot do a 30 second search to find that Christians and Jews are being assaulted, persecuted and worse, killed in the name of Islam. Of a rare instance of disagreement between Jews and Christians you would be finding something very rare. You are the one incapable of concious thought. Go troll elsewhere.

TanyaJane66
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So if they are Palestinian Christians, they don’t count? Palestinians of all faiths have been oppressed.

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Right, oppressed by Islam.

TanyaJane66
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Are you kidding me? You are saying that Palestinians have been oppressing themselves? That makes no sense. ISrael and the west are the ones who have been oppressing them since 1948, and everyone knows it. JUst look at the way they live.

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How are we oppressing them? By giving them Jordan? A two-state solution happened a long time ago. The point being, that Islam doesn’t want a two solution, they want the State of Israel destroyed.

TanyaJane66
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You mean by exiling them to Jordan. Did anyone ask the Jordanians if they wanted all the palestinians to come over?

Don McLaughlin
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Considering that Jewish and Christian beliefs are to follow the laws of the land, and Islamic beliefs are to destroy all who follow laws other than sharia. Tell me which religion is the one of peace? Christians welcome whores, murderers, and thieves in their churches, as those are the ones who need to be there the most. Islamic law states that infidels, or non-believers should convert, or be killed. Again I ask, which religion is the religion of peace?

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There will always be people who are intolerant of other religions. But if you’re looking at it from a website called Electronic Intifada I think you might be a little biased yourself. Also, by comparison I’ll bet you for every one posting you can find of Jewish attacks on Christians or Christian attacks on Jews, I can find you a thousand Muslim attacks on non Muslims. The Palestinians being some of the worst offenders. Islam is the only religion that I know of that actually sanctions the murder of non believers. While there are some violent passages in the Old… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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You would lose that bet. Palestinians are not attacking themselves. You want to talk Crusades or the Inquisition? I don’t think the article above is about who kills who.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Palestinians not attacking themselves? Hammas and Fatah do show great examples of loving their muslim neighbors.

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Bring it on then. For every one attack that you post of Christians attacking anyone, I will post 5 Islamic jihadist attacks against non believers. Yes lets talk about the Crusades and the inquisition. None of the actions of those “Christians” during the crusades and the spanish inquisition had nothing to do with the bible. The Crusades were about control over trade routes, and who was going to control Jerusalem.(think modern Jews and Muslims) The Spanish inquisition was an attempt by the Catholic Church to convert people at the edge of a sword. (Like the Jihadists do today) These were… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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And none of the “jihadist” as you call them have nothing to do with the love of Allah either, as they are ignorant of what is in the Quran too. They are just as wicked. Do you see that we are both saying the same thing?

lkthomas
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you need to do some history on the crusades’

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The crusades were over a thousand years ago! Get over it.

TanyaJane66
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Islam does not “sanction” murder at all. You are taking things out of context to serve your purpose.

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Tell me again how Islam does not sanction murder. You should not try to discuss things that you are an uninformed in. This does not suit my purposes, does it suit yours? Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing. Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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Once again, you have taken verses out of context and not put the whole verse. The first verse you quote is refering to the expelling of the Muslims from Mekka. and there is much more to the verse that you did not write. Quran 5:32 “If anyone killed not in self-defense, it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all of mankind”. Quran 8:12 is God talking to the angels, and the whole verse says ” Remember when your Lord revealed to the… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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This is more tripe that tries to push the fallacy of peaceful Islam. Sorry but the whole of the Quran is a war on anyting other than Islam. Is there an occasional peace? Yes. But only when they lose, not when they have the upper hand. The old trader saying still goes for the Islam world… They will only keep their word at the point of a sword. That was also believed to be true when they dealt with themselves as the fight each other as much as they fight others. Many only work together long enough to fight nonbelievers… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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You cannot make people become Muslim by force, and the Quran says “there is no compulsion in religion”. and the whole of the quran is not about war, have you even read it?

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There are three choices in Islamic jurisprudence.
1. Submit to Allah.
2. Pay the jizzia tax in willing submission.
3. Die.

TanyaJane66
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Do I have to keep repeating myself? You are wrong and I think we have covered the subject of jizya, which is not imposed anymore. There are many more areas of jurisprudence than that. Everything is covered, not just penal code. There is corporate law, tort law, and many other areas too.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Just a note. Are there peaceful Muslimd? Yes. But unfortunately all Muslims are under the direction if their clerics. When the efict is to fight, there are few who will not follow.

TanyaJane66
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There are not clerics in islam, only those who lead prayers. There is no chain of command or hierarchy of clergy.

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Nonsense, there are Imams, are you trying to tell me that the Grand Mufti is not a part of a hierarchy? Come on, even you don’t believe that.

TanyaJane66
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Which Grand Mufti in which country? There is no hierarchy. they do answer to each other, there is no system like the catholics.there are no bishops or pope. There are schools of theology, there are scholars, etc. and they don’t always agree on everything.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Please avoid semantics. The term cleric in this case relates to the various scholars who guude the people. No matter what you call them, once a region is under Islamic leadership, under Sharia law, or in the case of living in a land not under islamic control the religious leaders of the local mosques.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_religious_leaders

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=Muslim+cleric

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Yes absolutely, go in to the new testament and show me where God commands Christians to strike fear and terror into the hearts of unbelievers. To kill them wherever they find them, to strike of their heads and fingertips on both hands.

I do not hate Muslims, but I do despise the religion of Islam.
The descendants of Ishmael have been deceived by an evil and demonic ideology. It has driven people away from the true God for centuries. Allah the moon “god” is not Yahweh of the Bible.

TanyaJane66
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I already told you about that verse, it is not a directive to Muslims, but God talking the the angels about Judgement Day. I dont know why you despise Islam, but you are wrong about it. There are almost 2 billion muslims in the world, and all of them are demonic? Come on, you know that what you are saying is not logical. Evil? The whole idea is islam is to worship ONe God, and renounce the devil. Where are you coming from?

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I disagree with you, your eschatology says otherwise. the imams who have dedicated their lives to studying Islam disagree with you. It is a directive to Muslims. Even if it were spoken to angels, rank and file Muslims still use it as their justification for beheadings and amputations. I despise Islam because it is a wicked ideology that drives people away from God towards violence, death, and eternal damnation. I did not say all Muslims are demonic, but they are enslaved a demonic religion. If that makes them demonic, I don’t know. Its not for me to judge them. The… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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And who are these rank and file muslims? What Imams? You have been reading Shia material, and that is where you are getting this stuff from. Allah is just another name for God, just like Jehovah. Shaytan is the devil, or Iblis. Not all muslims are violent hateful creatures you would like to make them out to be. And you know what, the proof is in the pudding. Let’s compare Muslims societies as a whole, and compare christian societies as a whole and see who is better off. There is violence all over the world, and not just in muslims… Read more »
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But, Allah is not the same God from the old or new Testament. The Arabic word for “god” is “ilah”, while “al” is the Arabic for “the”. Therefore, “Allah” combines “al” with “ilah” and removes the “i”, to literally means, “the god”. But much like “YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah” is the personal name of the God of the Bible, “Allah” was also the personal name given to the moon god, the highest of the 360 pagan idols worshipped in Mecca, Muhammad’s home town. Your assertion that 99 percent of all Muslim countries are peaceful is absolute hogwash. Individual Muslims may be peaceful, but the countries that they live… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. Muslim countries are not violent, although I will admit that some of them have succome to violence lately, such as Iraq. The largest Muslim country in the world is Indonesia, and it is very peaceful. Africa is about half/half, so I really use it as an example. Most of the HIV are in christian or non-religious countries. Does christianity not have laws against sexual immorality? I think the Bible clearly condemns sex before marriage and prostitution, as it does drugs and alcohol. And you clearly don’t know what jihad… Read more »
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Al-lah means “the god” in Arabic. When you remove the “I” and add “Al” you get ” the god”
I know exactly what jihad is and I know that there are several forms of it. One of them being militaristic holy war. one of them also being internal struggle. Mujahideen are the soldiers of Allah.
Islam does not forbid prostitution, it just renames it and calls it temporary marriage.

TanyaJane66
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You need to brush up on your Arabic because you are wrong. Allah is the personal name of God, much like your name is David or Steve or whatever it is. The name of the most popular “god” before Islam was Hubal. I am glad that you are familiar with the forms of jihad, one of which you are putting me through now. and I believe that prostitution is sex for money and that is forbidden as well as any form of sex outside of marriage. Don’t get me started on the fallacy and lie of “temporary marriage” that was… Read more »
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Interesting, that you don’t agree with Islamic jurisprudence in regards to “temporary marriage.” It happens every day in Islamic society. What are your thoughts on multiple wives? Or female genital mutilation? (FGM)
I just read the other day that Syrian jihadists have now been told that they are allowed to sleep with their sisters if they are going to war. Any thoughts?

TanyaJane66
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No, I don’t agree with whatever islamic cleric that would say temporary marriage is still allowed. It was allowed under certain circumstances during the sahaba’s time, but it was forbidden after that. My thoughts on multiple wives, well, it is allow under certain circumstances and all wives must be treated equally financially and emotionally. very hard to do. You will find that practiced mostly in Gulf countries. sleeping with their sisters? are you sick? what kind of sick stuff have you been reading? do you purposefully pick out anti-islam material to read? do you ever go on any pro-muslim sites?… Read more »
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But, Allah is not the same God from the old or new Testament. The Arabic word for “god” is “ilah”, while “al” is the Arabic for “the”. Therefore, “Allah” combines “al” with “ilah” and removes the “i”, to literally means, “the god”. But much like “YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah” is the personal name of the God of the Bible, “Allah” was also the personal name given to the moon god, the highest of the 360 pagan idols worshipped in Mecca, Muhammad’s home town. Your assertion that 99 percent of all Muslim countries are peaceful is absolute hogwash. Individual Muslims may be peaceful, but the countries that they live… Read more »
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Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”  Thehistorical context of this passage is  defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims… Read more »
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Quran (2:216) – “, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. Quran… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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And now you know how to put together hadith and quran? you of course are doing it at your own convenience. I notice that you left off the first part of the first verse. It is not even talking about violence or fighting. and the caravan that you are refering to, that was confiscated property from the muslims that were kicked out of Mecca, they only wanted to get their own property back. you can stop quoting the casting terror verse, I have already disputed that one.

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“The caravans were confiscated property” Yeah confiscated at the point of a sword. LOL!

You have disputed nothing. Your understanding of your own religion is mediocre at best.

You can try to advance the lie that Islam is peaceful, redefine words to justify the wicked actions of Mohammed, but it doesn’t change the history of Islam. it is written down and out there for anyone to read, like me.

TanyaJane66
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Hello? The caravan was property stolen by the Mekkans from the Muslims. It is certainly written down, and has never been changed, but you are reading something different.

And who said I am Muslim? I am just taking up for the underdog.

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The underdog? Dogs are harram. What are you a bigot? 😉

TanyaJane66
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Dogs are harram? Where did you read that? Dogs are allowed as guard dogs and pets, as long as they don’t live inside the house. What about that makes me a bigot? Do you even know what a bigot is?

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Gawd, settle down. It was a joke. The underdog…Mohammed didn’t like dogs… Harram…? Sheesh, switch to decaf.

Marilyn Olsen Zimmermann
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The point being here is that the original Temple, was commanded and granted by God for the Jewish people to build thousands of years before your blasphemous religion was invented. Islam usurps both the history, names, and in this case the PLACES of the true relationship between first the Jews, and those who are adopted through the blood of His son, also a Jew…That in Him are all knees to bow and every tongue confess. The koran would be empty without the other holy scriptures. educate yourself on the timelines and history. Matthew 24:15″So when you see standing in the… Read more »
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You didn’t read what I wrote, did you? You saw the name that I use and commented in reaction to it.

eadtuff
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Wow your post today contains considerably less slurs than the other night. Were you hitting the sauce or something? I’m not surprised that Islam is the only religion you know of that sanctions the murder of nonbelievers, because you seem fairly uninformed on many things and just post emotionally without facts to support your statements. A prominent rabbi in the West Bank wrote a book saying that non-Jews (even babies) could be killed: As for you whining about the other link I posted, refute the facts therein or don’t waste my time, kid. I actually agree with your point that… Read more »
aspacia
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Right, a Jewish rabbi living in the West Bank and surviving? And you trust Haaretz. Go to Ask a Rabbi, ask, and obtain an English translation of the Torah for the facts.

And no ad hominem attacks please.

eadtuff
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Ahahaha OK it’s pretty clear that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Look up “West Bank settlements” and come back when you know about the issues, kid.

aspacia
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There are approximately 8,000 Zionist extremists a miniscule number compared to the approximately 12 million Islamic extremists. I usually search for valid sources on edu sites not the .com nonsense on line. The Arabs made their bed and now they can sleep in it. The refugee problem exists because the vast Arab world will not assimilate it brethren in contrast to tiny Israel absorbing its brethren. That is, the whole mess is the Arabs fault and don’t throw the bs about colonial powers because the entire ME was artificially carved by England and France at the end of WWI and… Read more »
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Why should “the Arab World” assimilate its brethren when they already had homes? Why should Palestinians be kicked out of their homes so settlers from NYC can move there BY CHOICE? What bed did the Palestinians make? Being in the way of Israel’s desired ethnically pure state? They were removed from their homes by terror. Oh wait I forgot, you don’t see them as human beings. There’s no problem with the artificial boundaries of other countries? You know that Iraq and Iran had a bloody, decade long war, Yemen had a civil war, Iraq is engaged in sectarian bloodshed, and… Read more »
aspacia
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The Germans already had homes in Czechoslavakia but were expelled after WWII. The world is full of refugees who lose this label after the first generation. 650,000 Jews had homes in the vast ME, but were expelled with what they could carry. Israel assimilates all Jews into its land; a claim Muslims can’t make. Many Muslims fled their homes at the behest of Arab leaders who promised to drive the Jews into the sea. Human beings? Of course humans are human, but are they civilized or savage? My vote goes to savage consider what I have read about what they… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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Israel did not “absorb its brethren”, it kicked out every Arab, christian and muslim when it was created. Now who is intolerant of who?

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PA Mufti Muhammad Hussein: “Palestine in its entirety is a revolution… continuing today, and until the End of Days. The reliable Hadith… says:  “The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: ‘Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’” [PA TV (Fatah), Jan. 9, 2012 Am I taking the hadith out of context also? Israel has Arabs in their government. Name one Arab country that can say that they have Jews in their government.… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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Yes you are, that hadith is talking about the final battle, you would call it Armageddon. Of course they have arabs in their government, they are jewish arabs.

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You are either being disingenuous, or you are ignorant of your own religion. Islamic eschatology teaches that this war is started before the return of the 13th imam and Isa (Islamic Jesus.)

Not only are there Muslims in the Knesset, but there is also an Arab Muslim on the Israeli supreme court. Show me an Arab country with a Jew in a comparable position.

TanyaJane66
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Only the Shia cult believes in the 13th Imam. and Islamic Jesus? He is the same Jesus, and it seems that both religions are waiting for HIm to come back. And it is the same war, right before Judgement Day.

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Isa is NOT Jesus. It’s interesting how christian and islamic eschatology are very similar, just from opposite ends of the battlefield. All Muslims believe in a coming messiah.
Jesus is coming back but I don’t think he’s going to tell you what you want to hear.

TanyaJane66
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and who is this coming messiah? Muslims believe it is Jesus, who is also referred to as the messiah. Why does there have to be a battlefield?

aspacia
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Israel’s laws promise every Jew a right to live in Israel. Currently, several million Arabs reside and Israel, vote and are members of the government. In contrast Abbas claims that any Palestinian state will be Judenfrei. Currently, most of the vase M.E. imposes the Jitza, forbids the building or repair of any nonMuslim house of worship, and imposes the discriminatory Sharia Law on both nonMuslims and Muslims.

I suggest you obtain a valid education.

Regards,

TanyaJane66
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Whoa? Are you kidding? Jitza has not been imposed for over a thousand years on anyone. There are churches and synagogues all over the ME, in every country except Saudi Arabia. They build new ones and repair old ones all the time. Don’t you know that there are christian arabs too? and jewish arabs too? Few countries impose sharia law, and the ones that do use it for financial and contract law mostly. The largest Muslim country in the world in Indonesia, and there are churches there too. and there is no sharia law. Want to talk about Malaysia? I… Read more »
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ey Country Notes Algeria Article 222 of the Family Code of 1984 specifies sharia as the residuary source of laws.[7] In criminal cases the testimony of two women are equal to the testimony of one male witness.[8] Benin It has a civil law system with influences from customary law.[9] Burkina Faso It has a civil law system.[9] Cameroon It has a mixed legal system of English common law, French civil law, and customary law.[9] Chad The government is declared to be secular in the constitution.[10] Comoros The legal system is based on Sharia.[11] According to the article 229-7 of the… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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I notice how you did not mention all the christians and churches that you said did not exist. I did not say the Sharia was not imposed, I said that some countries use it for financial and corporate laws. and they should being muslim countries.

TanyaJane66
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Are you kidding me? You send me an article from a pro-Israel political group? Please.

aspacia
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How does this invalidate this Arab/Christian’s testimony? Attack the claim not the messenger.

aspacia
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So? Jitza and Sharia are common in 34 Muslim lands. That is my point. You said this fact was untrue and failed to refute my claim with any valid source.

Tanya, what are you 15? You sound similar to high school students who speak and do not know zip about their claim.

TanyaJane66
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I think that I have refuted your claim very well. I did not dispute that sharia law was not used, but not for the reasons that you mentioned. I also refuted your outright lie about non muslim places of worship too. I am 48, thank you.

aspacia
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Tanya, This is exactly what you claimed: ” Whoa? Are you kidding? Jitza has not been imposed for over a thousand years on anyone. There are churches and synagogues all over the ME, in every country except Saudi Arabia. They build new ones and repair old ones all the time. Don’t you know that there are christian arabs too? and jewish arabs too? Few countries impose sharia law, and the ones that do use it for financial and contract law mostly. The largest Muslim country in the world in Indonesia, and there are churches there too. and there is no… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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There is no country in the world that imposes jizya tax on non-muslims. Not one. Do you even know what it is and what used for? Under Islamic law, jizya or jizyah (Arabic: جزية‎ ǧizyah IPA: [dʒizja]; Ottoman Turkish: cizye;) is a per capita tax levied on a section of an Islamic state’s non-Muslim subjects, who meet certain criteria. The tax is and was to be levied on able-bodied adult males of military age (but with specific exemptions).[1][2] From the point of view of the Muslim rulers, jizya was a material proof of the non-Muslims’ acceptance of subjection to the… Read more »
aspacia
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The article I sent has numerous, valid sources which I provided.

Oh, yes, how very tolerant of Muslims to allow nonMuslims to practice their faith if they pay a tax, and not repair their houses of worship and live in continual persecution. To date numerous nonMuslims have been massacred in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, etc.

You cite page numbers, but no authors, why?

Also, many Muslims living in the West on benefits claim that is right as this is jitza; Choudry comes to mind.

TanyaJane66
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To this date, many muslims have been massacred in Syria, Iraq, Burma, and many other places. I keep telling you that this tax is no longer enforced. If life is so terrible for non-muslims, then why do they continue to live there? Why didn’t they leave? There are millions of christians living in the ME, and they enjoy life just like everyone else, and in some countries even extra privileges. There are hundred of beautiful churches and more built all the time. All information is based on interpretation, and the author of that article is biased.
aspacia
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Tanya, Muslims are usually massacred by their brethren. Secondly, similar to the Arab refugees near Israel, their brethen will not allow them to immigrate. Third, like the refugees, many Christian Arabs cannot find a place that will allow them to immigrate.

Okay, I am done with this bs dance from both Christian and Muslim apologists-yes I have a life.

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“From the point of view of the Muslim rulers, jizya was a material proof of the non-Muslims’ acceptance of subjection to the state and its laws, In return, non-Muslim subjects are permitted to practice their faith, to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy.”

We all know how the Muslim rulers have such a temperate and moderate point of view when it comes to Christians.

TanyaJane66
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and Muslims have to pay zakat, while non-muslims paid jizya. It is still not imposed anymore, but zakat is still paid by muslims.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Most are. It is unfortunate that the few christians are caught in the middle. But lets be clear there is no true Palestine nor are there true Palestinians. This region is one of those rare areas that have been conquered over and over for centuries. The heritage of these people is that of dozens of races. This is nothing like British Colonization. There has never truly been a people from there and they have always been conquered as they never have been a country. The people hsve never had a sense of unification or true community; which explains why the… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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There was a “Palestine” for thousands of years before the English and the FRench showed up in 1948.

aspacia
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It was a name of an area usually thought to be Jewish. Again, I suggest some valid history classes.

TanyaJane66
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Palestine is even mentioned in the Bible, and check your history before 1948, arabs and jews lived there together in peace for thousands of years.

aspacia
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Tanya,
Nonmuslims in Muslim majority lands are discriminated against past and present. There are some references to an area named Palestine, but no people were Palestinian. Arafat was born in Egypt, and most Arab migrated to Israel when Jews starting moving there creating job opportunities.

Tanya,
Read both sides of the issue before deciding.

A Deist

TanyaJane66
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And Muslim minorities in christian lands have been persecuted for thousands of years too. Arabs migrating to israel? the arabs were there many hundreds of years before 1948. There was no Israel until then.

aspacia
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Tanya,

Try to provide valid source instead of talking out of your a$$.

Israel was created thousands of years ago and destroyed just as many countries have been destroyed. The difference is that Jews have always longed for their homeland, especially Jerusalem. Arabs have no right to the land especially since Israel won it fair and square after numerous Muslim attacks.

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mohammad's pink swastika

And there was a Judea before there was ever a Palestine. Judea existed long before Mohammed invented Islam.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Historically incorrect. Please find your nearest library, close the computer, get away from bogus websites, and find something called a book. If you have trouble with a thing called the Dewey Decimal System ask for help. You might learn something. Palestine was just an insulting misnomer for the whole region by the Romans referring to tgeir old enemy tge Greeks. The area that now calls itself Palestine has never been an entity. The Jews secured their borders granted by the UN in 1948 and then withstood an invasion be outside Arab states led by Egypt. During the Ottoman rule Jews… Read more »
aspacia
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Thank you for saving me the trouble.

eadtuff
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“Palwatch.org” give me a break. Your whole post is riddled with factual inaccuracies. Sorry, you don’t get to use the bible as a historical document and if you’re going to delegitimize an entire people you don’t get to play with the adults. Sorry little guy.

aspacia
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eadtuff, you post is nothing but fallacious ad hominem attacks. Exactly what are your valid sources?

eadtuff
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do you know what any of those words mean? are you claiming the Ha’aretz article from the rabbi that legitimized the killing of gentiles is false? It’s one of the best selling books in Israel btw

aspacia
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eadtuff,

Yes, of course I know: “false personal attacks,” which have zero relevance to an argument.

Ha’aretz is a fringe Israeli publication, and similar to the BBC, etc., has been raked over the coals for omissions and lies.

Mein Kampf is a best seller in most of the Middle-East, but that does make it a valid source.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Palwatch.org is just an example of the idiocy bring propagated by the PA and those who would create a fictional history. Nobody is delegitimizing anyone. Just providing context to why the issues are so bad in the region. It explains why very time a reasonable offer has been made on the last 50 years the palestinians said no and then terrorized Israel and others. You don’t get to rewrite history to make emphatic statements. Odd that you are changing the subject from intollerance of Islamic groups to a defense of the PA. Trying to somehow create out of whole cloth… Read more »
aspacia
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LincolnJefferson,

You too are indulging in personal attacks. Oh, and it is Napoleon Syndrome.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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I am trying to refrsin from responding to insults in kind. It is tough. And yes. Typing on my phone makes for some interesting spelling errors. Sorry.

🙂

eadtuff
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OK little guy. Sorry you’re unable to defend your arguments with facts. Maybe you will when you grow up 😉

aspacia
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eadtuff,

Neither are you able to provide a valid claim.

mohammad's pink swastika
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99.5% of all the “Palestinians” (there’s actually no such thing)are Muslim. Hammas and Fattah are both designated terrorist organizations. The Palestinian Authority supports both of these groups. Your assertion that the Palestinians are not responsible for their actions because of colonialism is a truly ignorant statement. The Gaza Strip and the West Bank in biblical times were called Judea and Sumaria. Gaza was a city in Judea. Judea was taken over by the Romans and as an insult to the Jews was given the name Palestine and given to the Greeks. True “Palestinians” are Greeks. This is before Islam was… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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I believe that the Nazis were only around for 20 years or so, where as Islam has been around for 1400. I think history is on its side. You sound more like a Nazi.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Wow. You are even more unlearned than the other guy. Or are you just an alternate account. The lack of knowledge on this subject really makes any post irrelevant. Might want to start each post as a question rather than a statement. Well, only if you wish to learn rather than make horribly inaccurate insulting claims.

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that is the most idiotic statement I think I’ve ever heard. The National Socialist Party still exists they are ingrained into the Democrat Part. If you’re going to try talking about history, usually it helps to have read some of it first.
EPIC FAIL.

eadtuff
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Wow, impressive that you just begin making stuff up right off the bat! Palestinian Christians are 8% of the West Bank population, 1% in Gaza, and 10% of Israeli Arabs, not to mention 10% of the Palestinian diaspora abroad. That you’re fine with Palestinian Christians being persecuted by Israel proves that this whole thing isn’t about religion for you, it’s about race. I’m happy that we got to the source of your hatred (also I’m happy that you’ve managed to lay off of your drinking). Also it’s pretty hilarious that you’re citing the bible. Come back when you have some… Read more »
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Are you Muslim?

TanyaJane66
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Do you call everyone that disagrees with you a Muslim? Let’s be more open-minded.

TanyaJane66
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You need to quit picking and choosing verses from the Bible to convince us. You have to read the whole thing. The Bible is only a historical document if you choose to believe it. It is a religious document that has been chopped up over the years.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Actually your ignorance in regards to history makes it a long process your inept posts. Religious works of many faiths have been a great help in researching history. Especially when used with writings from all the players in a region. Neither of us have used the bible to refute your claims. The works of the Ottomans, Romans, Turks, Egyptians, British and a bunch of others all help build a picture that coincides with much of tge Old Testament, New Testament, and even the Quran (though it is oft harder to use as it jumps around in time rather than follow… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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If you wish to base your knowledge of history on the bible, go for it. the bible does not follow much of a timeline, and the Ottomans and turks were muslim. I am not here to misdirect, I am here to let other people know about your anti-islam propaganda.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Informing and discuaasing with people why actions of a barbaric group of people are terrorising, killing and enslaving a region with the intent to erradicate another race assists in understanding why things are the way thry are. There is no anti-islam propaganda in pointing out there is no such thing as a country called Palestine. That which you are defending is just a region conquered repeatedly by different groups from other lands no matter their faith. Quit deflecting. History shows this. The Bible describes the region well before a murderer and thief instructed his people to kill, stesl, rape and… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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“before a murderer and thief instructed his people to kill, stesl, rape and enslave to fund his sociopathic assaults on the region.” You must have been referring to King Richard the Lionheart, the champion of the Crusades that killed, raped, and looted their way through the ME. I will not agree and you are truly disillusioned if you think that all followers of all religions are peaceful. You are also wrong if you think that violent verses did not occur in Bible as well. Violence occurs everywhere all the time in many forms and the muslims do not have the… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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Try and look at this objectively. If today a warlord/leader/sociopath raided and killed his neighbors to fund his infiltration, take over, and subjugation of another neighbor. Then consolidated his resources (while still raiding his region) to begin the process of conquering. While doing this he asserts he is a prophet and creates a religion. He then produces works to justify his past terror and promotes his legacy by putting in caveats that anyone following him should propagate the eventual death of all religions. To make sure his followers won’t question his deluded creation he makes it law to be born… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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Look, I don’t agree with your assessment of what you might call the beginnings of islam. You are a biased person and nothing I say is going to change your mind. You have a closed, bigoted mind. Nothing that you say is true, but you are entitled to your opinion. You are telling me that you do not teach your children christianity? That is unbelievable. You become whatever you are taught to become as a child. You may change your mind when you get older, that is how the world works. What major faiths are you talking about? You are… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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I am not bigoted. I do not teach my children to hate Muslims or any other group. I personally take an objective view of history. I fortunately am able to look at the actions of conquerors in time and how they came to power, what they did with that power and how they justified what they did. Egypt and Rome were just as bad. Everything I say is true, as I do not stick to just religious propaganda from any faith. It is unfortunate for you that your religion was made up in comparatively recent history where finding records from… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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It is funny how to like to talk about history, but you chose to ignore the many persecution of the muslims over the thousands of years. You have not mentioned the Crusades or the Inquisition. they do not chose to ignore certain verses, they interpret them differently. You have chose to ignore many verses in the bible as well. Once again, you pick and choose what suits your purpose. There are not that many sects in islam, but there are hundreds of denominations in chrisitianity. You keep contradicting your self.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Again you obfuscate like a liberal. And I have yet to contradict myself. You are trying to point out inaccuracies that do not exist in order to justify your beliefs. I am not ignoring the persecution of anyone. We are speaking of an on going event of a specific region. The main persecution of the proscribed area was by followers of Islam. Even the Romans were less abusive. I do not pick and choose anything. I read an article about the intolerance of Islam in Jerusalem on the holy grounds built by one people and stolen by another. You are… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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No, you are speaking of events of a specific region, while ignoring facts to your convenience. The ME region has been occupied by western and non muslim governments for centuries. France just left Syria in 1946, and I don’t think they were there playing ball. I disagree that the “main persecution” of this area has been by followers of Islam, when it has been occupied by every Tom, Dick and Harry for centuries, all non-muslim. Many of the ME just became independent in the 20th century. Why do you refuse to see the abuse that the muslims have taken just… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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You still here? Everyone’s gone. You are not going to convert me or anyone else with your kool-aid. At this point I hate to be rude, but are breaking your own tenets by taking some form of mind altering substance, or are you completely unable to pick up a history book??? We were speaking of a specific area. Again, you try to distract by calling attention to the whole of the ME when the facts in regards to Jerusalem and it’s surrounding are does not fit your story line. The Middle East Was occupied by the Ottoman Empire for a… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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Oh yes, I will always be here standing up against people like you. Convert you? First of all, Only God converts people or inspires people. Second, I would not waste my breath on someone like you. Your mind is too closed and your heart too hard. Insulting me and insinuating than I am less intelligent than you is just immature. History is up to interpretation. I will interpret my way and you yours. And What do you know or think you know about the tenets of Islam? Does it make any sense to you that a religion that forbids drinking,… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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Again you misdirect and lie in your sign off. And I hope you actually use facts and better examples precedence in representing your clients. As you have done nothing in any these posts to defend or prove wrong the allegations that islam is the religion of lies and terror. To brag about your education and pretend that this somehow makes you better than others in these posts shows your true ignorance and lack of humility. (To claim you can comprehend things I can never imagine only indicates a slow whit with little imagination. Please get over yourself) I have met… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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You are really grabbing at straws if you are claiming that the violence in America is caused by muslims. and thank you for proving my point for me, just as you claim that the violence in america is not related to christianity, I tell you that the violence committed by extremist is not related to Islam. You need to do some serious research into the crime in the US, esp personal crimes. You are one brainwashed individual. Muslims could really care less about conservatism, they just want to lead their lives in peace like everyone else. There is no evil… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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Again and again you obfuscste and miss the point. It is not I who is brainwashed. You are the one who cannot read their own texts for what they say. And yes you have mentioned repeatedly how Christians and their “religion” have persecuted everyone, especially Muslims. Which is slander by your pretend definition, yet cannit stand real questions regarding the writings and action of your faith. I am not grabbing at any straws whatsoever. I mentioned violence in urban America. There is history with extremism in those areas and even our prison system. And are you seriously saying that most… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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I can read the texts, can you read the Bible? What about all the violent text there? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_violence http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788 http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/throwing_stones_at_the_quran_from_a_glass_house/0013466 http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/ I meant that muslim dont care about conservatism because they do not have a hidden political agenda, and they are not out to get you or destroy your way of life. I know what it means, and I certainly know that I am not a liberal. I don’t know if I should even justify that remark about the invasion of Iraq, we all know that thousands of Iraqis were killed when they invaded. Most of the american people oppose… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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Again with the Muslim propaganda swallowed wholesale after being spoon fed with no regard to self reliance. Just a quick reference to any of the New Testament scripture will show that the only verses written show that it was in regards to the return of the Messiah. Or to explain how sinful acts should be looked upon; in the new testament a negative is usually found right before a positive. It was for Jesus to be able to show how the Old Testament was being transformed by the New. THERE ARE NO SCRIPTURES THAT INSTRUCT, ADVOCATE, OR VALIDATE MURDER IN… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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I see that you enjoy the privilege of picking and choosing what parts of the Bible that you believe in. If you don’t believe in the Old Testament, you have to throw out the 10 Commandments, the Psalms of David, the Creation of the World, and many other basic beliefs. You also did not read the articles I sent you very well either. Wikipedia, your favorit, Not by Muslims either, all authors were non-muslims. the information on Loonwatch was provided by CNN and the FBI, not good enough for you? I can get the same information from many other websites.… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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Are you 1 Stupid (I ask this knowing you probably aren’t but the lack of understanding in your posts makes the question reasonable)? 2 Willfully ignorant or 3 A shill? If number one then I will give you a break. Otherwise please leave off posting on websites until you can actually construct a thought of your own and actually read that which is presented to you. My shoes are on my feet; I am smart enough to not have to have yours on mine, as they obviously would not fit (both physically and metaphorically). Stop being disingenuous. Just because you… Read more »
aspacia
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LJ, again you provide no valid refute.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Actually it was on point. It was in reference to using the bible as as history. I was just clarifying that most of the earlier responses were based on history not the bible as the main source. She chose to pick out references to the bible as a means to obfuscate rather than attack the whole of the dialog where religious texts were very little of the discussion.

mohammad's pink swastika
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mohammad's pink swastika
“the Bible is only a historical document if you choose to believe it” So… It is only historical if it supports your goofy ideology? Let’s look at this logically from your point of view. If you got sexually assaulted by an illegal alien, then you went to the police and filled out a police report. You bring that historical document to court, but the judge does not find him guilty because he is a pro-amnesty advocate. Does that mean that the sexual assault never happened? Girlfriend, why are you trying to talk to me? Don’t you think that intellectually speaking,… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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Why are you talking about Illegal aliens and sexual assault? You are the one who is making no sense. There are many people who do not believe in the Bible, Jews being one of them. There are many other historical documents. If you consider your self intelligent, then go ahead and pat your self on the back. I don’t listen to hip hop or rap or whatever either. I 100% believe in the Bible and every story in it. I hope you do, then you would know what you are doing is wrong.
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mohammad's pink swastika
If you believe that the Bible is 100% true, then what do you say about Jesus claiming to be the “I AM” in reference to when Moses was talking to God in the burning bush. Moses asked “who are you?” God replied “I AM.” The Jews understood what Jesus was claiming about himself and tried to stone him. Jesus was also talking to the Jews, they asked him “you are only 30 years old, yet you claim to have known Abraham?” Jesus replied “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.” Twice Jesus claimed to be… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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I don’t think we need to get into the differences between muslim and christian doctrine on Jesus, but for the record. Moses was talking to God, and no one but God. We believe that he was the only prophet that spoke directly to God. You should know what Muslims believe about Jesus, you seem to think you know everything else about islam.

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I have studied Islam for years. I know exactly what Islam says about Jesus and who they think he is. The problem is, that not only does the Bible tell a different story, but all the other historical authors of the time tell a different story about who Jesus was as well. I have read everything that Islam has about who they say Jesus is. They are plain wrong.

TanyaJane66
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Why have you studied Islam for so long? I mean, what is the point? Can I ask you, do you know any Muslims personally?

mohammad's pink swastika
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mohammad's pink swastika

I used that analogy as an example of the foolishness of your statement. you said that “the Bible is only a historical document if you believe what is in it.” So I said “if the judge doesn’t believe the police report then does that mean the sexual assault never happened?” Do you see the correlation between the two statements, or are you just being difficult?

Honestly, I was wrong, you are very intelligent. Misguided, disillusioned and jaded, but very intelligent.

TanyaJane66
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Yes, I see your correlation but it does not apply in this case. And thank you for the compliment.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Leave it at that. He is a troll. And apparently incapable of reading text, much less history. All he does is project and misdirect, therefore making you have to waste time attempting to educate a heavily biased wannabe pixel thug who is unwilling to try to see history through anuthing other than rose tinted glasses. Sad really.

eadtuff
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Aww, you mad Linky? Don’t worry, your mommy will get you some juice if you cry enough 😉

LincolnJeffersonClay
Guest

Thank you for proving my point. Why would I be mad? You have yet to make a point. But comments like this make me laugh. Keep proving The Fool.

eadtuff
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yawn. the old “thanks for proving my point.” it’s a classic technique when one doesn’t have an effective argument, because you don’t have to say anything substantive, just imply that you did. my advice to you: change your diaper before trying to trying to argue on the internet. Also, keep proving the fool what? LMAO, learn how to write, champ.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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Buwahahahah! Get off your mom’s computer. You have been proven the uninformed troll repeatedly. Where in your Tiny preschool mind do you think you have made a coherent case on anything? All you do is rant and post articles from liberal shill rags. Here’s some info on your favorite go to where Israel is concerned. …

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/davidhornik/israel%E2%80%99s-anti-semitic-rag/

 

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/11310#.U3f87Bko7qA

 

http://honestreporting.com/haaretz-creates-non-existent-apartheid-state/

 

http://5tjt.com/haaretz-undermines-israel-at-every-turn/

Oh, and when you dropped out of school, was it the 1950s? “Champ”? Really.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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eadtuff
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lmao you’re so cranky you can’t even think straight. Is it past your bedtime? Now you’re at the “link dump” stage of failure. Hmm, attempting to discredit articles from a legitimate news outlet with crazy rants from fringe blogs, that doesn’t smack of desparation. Oh boy, Frontpage Magazine, run by noted anti biased observer David Horowitz. So balanced that he’s been profiled by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Bud, you can post all of the EPIC ANTI-ARAB RANTS you want and it’s not going to make you seem like any less of a baby with a full diaper. Those are… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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You are hilarious. I will commend your blind, though mistaken, devotion to your cause. You fulfill your mission to spew liberal lies without any fact or reason at a level rarely seen. Good on ya! I like how, when you use the rare link to support your idiocy, you consistently use worthless sources like Media Matters, Ha’aretz, and others, and better yet use hate mongers like the SPLC to defend them (foolishly calling them “legitimate”). You should be recognized as cream of the crop of the group you represent! While most people would loathe to be recognized as a spewer… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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Oh, and I am not anti-arab. Your ignorance knows no bounds. I am not a fan of Islam (but i do not hate them even so) but you do not seem to understand what Arab defines. Again opening a book; not an internet post from a dubious source. A book. You might learn something…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs

mohammad's pink swastika
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mohammad's pink swastika
No, the ideology must be fought. He is the symptom of a much larger disease. He and his comrades are spreading lies and deception like some collectivist influenza, infecting the youth of society. If you do not expose and eradicate the source of the infection, it will only grow. If we do not kill the cancer growing inside of us society as we know it dies. Liberty dies. We are in a war for the heart and soul of our society. This war is being fought on a digital battlefield. This war between ideologies have been fighting against each other… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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True. My point was that you succinctly put the lie to his comments. I must work harder not to stoop to their level of name calling. So hard when dealing with such blatant lies and/or ignorance.

Living in an urban area it is tough, but we do work to keep our children informed. And most importantly let them know they are loved.

May yours fare well also.

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mohammad's pink swastika

Blessings to you and yours, brother.

Garry Freeman
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I believe that is one of the reasons former presidential candidate Ron Paul want to completely get out of Mid East affairs

Idaho Bob
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COEXIST? Hardly. Throughout the world, every group of people that have a holy book believe that their holy book is true because they claim that it has come from some form of divine origin and not just from man. This is where the problem really begins. They all can’t be holy books because they contradict one another. Why is contradiction a problem? Because when “truth” opposes itself it is no longer truth, but there is absolute truth. Outside of Christianity, every other religion provides a way for a person to work their way into God’s presence through performing good deeds.… Read more »
lkthomas
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note the new testament was written 300 years after Christ died???

Idaho Bob
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Matthew – as early as 50 A.D. but before 70 A.D at latest Mark – as early as 50 A.D. but before 70 A.D at latest Luke – 60-61 A.D. John – Between 80-90 A.D. Acts – 60-62 A.D. Romans – 56 A.D. 1 Corinthians – Early 55 A.D. 2 Corinthians – Early 56 A.D. Galatians – 49-50 A.D. Ephesians – 60-62 A.D. Philippians – 61 A.D. Colossians – 60-62 A.D. 1 Thessalonians – 51 A.D. 2 Thessalonians – 51-52 A.D. I could keep going but the point is very clear, the information you have been told is a lie.… Read more »
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I disagree with you, most historical scholars believe that the book of Matthew was written AD 70ish. Soon after the Romans tore down the temple. Even if that were the case, whats your point? Did Christ die for your sin or not?

lkthomas
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most scholars, really??? man writes history as want people to see it not as what as true. You are arrogant fool. it is people like you whom give the rest of us a bad name as Christians. people like you get on these sits and rant like fools, because in a normal place people will walk away from you as your over bearing and not showing the true light of god. basically your all mouth and no heart!!!

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Thanks for your input.

TanyaJane66
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Your statement has nothing to do with the article.

eadtuff
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who cares

Marilyn Olsen Zimmermann
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Marilyn Olsen Zimmermann

you should

Idaho Bob
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First and foremost, it is apparent that you do. Which I always find very telling that someone, such as yourself, would spend the amount of time and energy attempting to cast doubt upon Jesus Christ. This makes it impossible to believe that you don’t believe deep down in the recesses of your heart and mind that Jesus Christ has power over your life. If you truly had no care about this it would be of little to no relevance to you. The problem isn’t that you don’t believe in Jesus Christ, the problem seems to be that deep within the… Read more »
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mohammad's pink swastika

About a billion people.

LittleRedHen111
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Watch the video at the link below. That’s what goes on in Jerusalem at the Temple Mount. Allahu akbar is the ugliest sound in the world.

Without the armed guards present, you can be sure those beasts would tear those children apart with their bare hands.

JERUSALEM: Muslim savages terrorize and threaten Jewish children visiting the Temple Mount Apr 24 2014

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/24/jerusalem-muslim-savages-terrorize-and-threaten-jewish-children-visiting-the-temple-mount/

Jon Blackburn
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Uuuuuuuh… huh huh… He said “penalized with a jizya tax.” huh huh….

Adam_E
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Thanks for exposing the truth to the world. If this was done in any other country, to any other group, the world would be up in arms, and the UNGA would be dishing out resolutions by the bucketful. That our own gov’t and police perpetrate this antisemitism, is the worst indictment of Israel. Even our own Israeli media constantly tries to perpetuate the lie that there is a law forbidding Jews from praying on the Temple Mount. As an Israeli, how am I supposed to defend Israel to the world, when my own leadership is guilty of the same thing… Read more »
Paul Deckelman
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Well said!

lkthomas
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all religions are a manipulation of man. being a each one was written by man to lead man, who wants to not to have to think for himself…..

kevmo
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Same old lame tired atheist tripe. Agree with MPS, properly understood biblical Christianity is not a religion. Nevertheless, speaking of religion, it IS a historical global fact of life. To wish religions away through dismissive ridicule is intellectually bankrupt, futile, delusional and escapist born of an inability to deal with reality.

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mohammad's pink swastika

Biblical based Christianity is not a religion. Matter of fact, putting your faith in religion is a sin in Christianity. It is what Christ told the Pharisees they were doing.

True Christianity is not a religion, it is an individual relationship with God.

lkthomas
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it isn’t a religion?? since when?? your a typical person who knows only what they want to know and discards the rest. After 15 years as a pastor and historical theologian, I left because of fools like you whom are quick to point a finger at some one and not know a dam thing about them. so that would make you to fall into the liberal world of fools. you think you know so much yet know so little!!!

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No, I know what the bible teaches. I am not pointing “the finger” at anyone. I find it a bit ironic though, that you’re so upset about something that you’re actually doing it to me. People who are quick to judge others are not doing what the Bible teaches. But, if you are going to try and tell me that is the reason why you have abandoned God, I’m afraid I’m going to have to disagree. Matthew 7 20-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of… Read more »
Marilyn Olsen Zimmermann
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Marilyn Olsen Zimmermann

Matthew 24:15
“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel–let the reader understand–

nathan hale
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The term is “Co-Exist” with the main part of the word “exist”. If your religion does not recognize mine and my only choices are to convert, die then YOU are NOT letting me exist. There is a third choice which is to exist, BUT only as a second class citizen and pay extra tax. But if you are Muslim and convert to Christianity you are by law put to death (happened this weekend in Bethlehem). No one on the planet would benefit more from being able to coexist with their neighbors than Israel. It is Friday now, and by Monday… Read more »
James C
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Isreal needs to take back the temple mount and rebuild the temple! We don’t need Saudi oil anymore we have enough here.

TanyaJane66
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This whole article is told from the Israeli and Jewish Virtual Library point of view. Most of the article is once again, based on distorted texts taken out of context for the purpose of getting people angry over nothing. I really wish people would do some research into Islam and realize that this guy is not telling the truth.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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I really wish more people would understand how intollerant that religion truly is. Listening to people who only believe the lies in the propaganda being spread in regards to Islam being a religion of peace (or spread the lies as directed) . You should really research the group you are defending. There has only been peace when they did not hold the upper hand. Or when they subjugated a group that was useful to them and then taxed them for the privilege of servitude.

TanyaJane66
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Propaganda goes both ways. I guess only the truly intelligent will know where the truth lies.

LincolnJeffersonClay
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This has nothing to do with intelligence. Religious beliefs are often used to get intelligent people to witness an illusion. The truly intelligent will just not play the con mans cup trick, but many keep on thinking they can twll which cop the ball is under, even when it is in the wolf’s pocket.

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mohammad's pink swastika

I belive that she is a Muslim.

TanyaJane66
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you are probably a bigot and racist. I am wonder what muslims have done to you that you hate them that much? I would never slander christianity the way that you two are doing to islam. and both of you are probably jewish.

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mohammad's pink swastika

I am not slandering Islam, It’s not slander if it is the truth. Do you think i am bigoted for quoting the Quran and Hadith? Are they bigoted? What do you think about Islamic clerics who say that the Jews are descendants of apes and pigs? Do you hate Jews is that why you are saying that we are probably Jewish? Are you projecting your own racist world view on to me?

TanyaJane66
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No, I don’t. I think that you are picking and choosing, and quoting out of context to serve your purpose. I think that those clerics as you call them are just as ignorant as you are. No, I do not hate Jews or anyone else. I think that everyone should be treated equally, and you are not doing that.

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mohammad's pink swastika

Obviously I am not ignorant about Islam, what are you supposing my motivation is? What do I have to gain? I am only interested in the truth, if you have something that I have never read that will change my mind on Islam, please show me.
Those Islamic scholars have dedicated their life to the study of Islam. But you know more than they do? If that is the case, then why aren’t you online debating with them rather than me?

TanyaJane66
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What do you have to gain? To poison the mind of everyone who reads the things that you write against Islam and Muslims. So next time they see a muslim in the street, they will think, “are those the people they were talking about?” That is what bigots do. Please provide me with the name of an islamic scholar that encourages these horrid practices, and I will show you a liar and a evil person who knows nothing about real islam. There is a difference between book knowledge and common sense that every human being was given. I might know… Read more »
LincolnJeffersonClay
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Probably, and unfortunately one would is either unaware of the true meaning or one who is out to distract.

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mohammad's pink swastika
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to “smooth over differences.” There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman.  These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.   Taqiyya – Saying something that isn’t true.  Kitman – Lying by omission.  An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills “it shall be as if he had killed all… Read more »
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The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule.  Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.  Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text.  They are part… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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You keep quoting the same verses. I have already told you that you are wrong about those verses and taking them out of context. You sure do seem to think you know a lot. Did you live back then? Where did you get your distorted information? I guess you can read Arabic and interpret tafsir of the Quran as well. at any rate, both you and your other friend are obvious bigots who hate muslims and islam, and nothing I say will change your closed minds. Muslims are not allowed to make fun of or desecrate the Bible in any… Read more »
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Where do the jihadists who kill in the name of Allah get their translation from? Do they speak Arabic? Oh wait, yes they do. I do not need to speak Arabic to read the Quran it has been translated into English. I do not need to interpret tafsir, there are Islamic scholars who do that for me, I get my information on Islamic law from them. You are obviously an anti-Muslim who hates Allah and his prophet because you denigh what Allah has said (Shirk) through Mohammed. You silly woman, the Bible does not teach how to kill your enemies.… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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Finally we have come to some kind of agreement. I hope you will agree that fundamentalist or extremist use religion, both islam and christianity, to commit violence against innocent people for their own gain or ego. It has been that way since the beginning of established religion. I am glad you are discussing islam, I just wish that you were not so hateful about it. I also say that your facts are wrong and so are you about islam and muslims. A good muslim would never hurt another human being. It is even harram to hurt someone’s feelings, to abuse… Read more »
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mohammad's pink swastika
Look, I do not mean to sound hateful when I discuss Islam, that is not my intention. But, you have to understand that when I do discusses Islam I get attacked and told that because I repeat what Muslims have said in the past that somehow I am the bigot. It’s difficult to try and keep a reasonable demeanor when you are constantly told that you are a bigot for discussing someone else’s words. Fundamentalist extremism is a problem. But the only way there will ever be any kind of enlightenment is for two people of different faiths, like you… Read more »
TanyaJane66
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I could not agree with you more, but the fact that you are on this website, your ID name, and several other things point that you are very biased against Muslims and you are not flexible. I am sorry if I or anyone has attacked in when having a civil discussion, because that is not my intention either. I believe that you have a very narrow view of islam and muslims. Fundamentalism is a big problem and there are plenty of them to go around from both religions, even other religions as well. The only way to fight that is… Read more »
MotherBatherick
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LTC West: Thank you for providing us with more “truth-telling history”. These facts are of great importance. People need to see this evil that obama and his regime are supporting and spreading.

lkthomas
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you know the reason I left all this, is because of what I see here??? God said this and that!!! it is all of man!! it is all about power and control, believe what you may just don’t preach it to me….oh and by the way, none of the 3 biggies are absent of murder, it is all in how you want to justify it….!!!

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FAIL.

David
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I extremely suggest that people to educate themselves and do some research about Islam and you will be sure 100% that this author is not telling the truth at all.

David
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please please and again please watch this video,..then decide about both Muslims and Zionists…http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/ht/display/ContentDetails/i/34752/pid/3584