HHS tracks physical abuse of unborn in report — but abortion doesn’t count

This just demonstrates the ludicrous logic of a Leftist.

Published by the HHS (that bastion of honesty and efficiency) the Child Maltreatment 2012 report is a comprehensive analysis of the types and instances of child abuse across the nation.

Curiously, in the section on Selected Maltreatment Types of Victims by Age, there is data for maltreatment of the unborn, including neglect and physical abuse.

How then, can intentionally destroying the life of the unborn not be included under the category of physical abuse?

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Child abuse is a terrible thing. Maltreatment of children at any age is horrific. So why is intentionally killing a fetus not?

Well, that’s DIFFERENT, pro-choice folks will say.

Really? How? Because the mother had no “malice” against her aborted fetus? Because her intentions were honorable when that life was destroyed? Because she just needed to erase a little mistake?

It’s a discussion pro-choice activists simply will not have. As reported by Ohio Right to Life via Hot Air, if the total number of abortions was included in the HHS report, it would add more than a million lives to the physical abuse category, according to data from the Guttmacher Institute.

Liberals will gladly criminalize those who intentionally abuse infants – including the unborn apparently – after all, they’re included in the report.

But those same liberals will blithely defend the right to intentionally take the lives of those same unborn. Abuse = bad. Death = a woman’s right.

Can someone please explain the logic in this to me?

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The_Patriot
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There is no logic used by the left. They do what they feel is acceptable to them. Abortion to them is righting a wrong. They have sex and if she turns up pregnant by “accident” that is easy to fix with an abortion. They do not see a fetus as a living breathing child. Just a side effect of making a mistake.
Very sad and deranged as far as I am concerned.

guy r west
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so it does not include abortion as an abuse bs

Tuco
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But of course the explanation is simple. It’s magic. If the mother WANTS the child and some mope belly-punches her, causing her to miscarry, it’s child abuse at the very least, more properly manslaughter. BUT, if the mother decides that she DOES NOT want the child – *poof* – it miraculously becomes a “blob of protoplasm” or mere “pregnancy tissue” or the ever popular “product of conception.” Anything but what a qualified OB-GYN would rightly call a living, pre-born BABY. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the plethora of symptoms that collectively identify the… Read more »
EWeatherwax
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And if the father wants the child, but the mother doesn’t–well, his opinion doesn’t count.

Herb Suhl
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To the left we are farm animals. We must be fed – USDA: WIC and food stamps. We must be housed — multitude of HUD programs. We must be taken to the vet: Obamacare. And when we are not convenient we must be culled (abortion) and slaughtered — death panels. Satan’s minions are loose and the culture of death is upon us. To them we are nothing but meat

urbanvrwcmom
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Have you ever known leftists to be logical?

colsooonscoorner
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That is not logic. It is a world gone mad.

MotherBatherick
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Liberals have no shame. I have never understood their dishonesty, either.

Philanthropussy
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How are liberal children raised differently ? In kindergarten no one burned a D On my forehead.

AlyOop
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I wonder where Dr. Gosnell’s abuse of both the born and unborn fits in. They were unwanted, so I guess they don’t count.

Philanthropussy
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Why do you fools always bring up abortion in cases of abused kids? That’s not going to solve anything.. Why don’t you people focus on the ones here who need our help. , abandon, neglected , physically and sexually abused , surrounded by drugs and violence , barely educated. What happens when these kids grow up? They commit violence, go to jail , abuse women and the girls have babies themselves .
It’s the circle of violence that never ends

Bob Loblaw
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Well, cause the chart included the category of unborn. And the question is how can you tally a count of abuses against unborn children and NOT include intentionally killing that unborn child in the count? It’s a simple matter of logic. The pro abortion crowd wants to have their cake and eat it too. But if doesn’t work to a sane mind. It’s like saying not feeding your kid (one who is actually born and under your care) is abuse, but ending his life isn’t as long as ending his life was done for convenience and under medical supervision. Want… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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First off it’s pro choice a woman who knew a what’s best for her depending in her circumstances decides what to do.
Secondy, the prolife people picked dead babies bec it’s easy. Dead babies don’t talk back and can easily manipulated. Posters a dead babies on one side. Probity stricken women on the other. . “Ladies, don’t abort. We won’t help you afterwards but don’t abort. If you can’t afford it the gov will. I hope mind if we Repubiicans
do call you a slut, welfare queen.

Lizard
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OMFG what are you trying to say???? Your post is unintelligible.

Philanthropussy
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Is my post so extraordinary bad you couldn’t help yourself but write back?

Bob Loblaw
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“a woman who knew a what’s best for her depending in her circumstances decides what to do” If she knew what was best for her, I doubt she’d need my or anybody else’s help (money) to raise her child. I’ll bet she’d have planned the event, saved for it, and ensured she had a significant other around to help here raise the child. In fact, I’ll argue that if she’s asking me for a handout, she hasn’t a clue “what’s best for her” or her child. But since you and the policies your elected officials enacted have absolved her of… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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You do know in the big city there are a million stories. I only know a few , looks like you know all.

Bob Loblaw
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Read the article. There’s a stat for harming an unborn child. My question stands; is killing an unborn child any less wrong than harming or neglecting it? Your logic seems to state that it is indeed less wrong to kill the unborn child, as long as that is what the mother wanted to do. Well, my follow-up question is this; if the mother intended to harm or neglect her unborn child, is she then off the hook? The stats were compiled by the current administration’s Department of HHS, they’re your people. My stand is this; If you pro abortion people… Read more »
Guest
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I am also against abortion, but you keep using the word “women”. Where are the men? She does not get into that condition by herself. What is his responsibility?

Bob Loblaw
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I’m not for or against abortion. I don’t ever want to be responsible for one, and I know it’s wrong, and anybody agreeing to have one has something missing in their soul (if you believe in souls, I don’t, but don’t have a word for the non-religiouis version of a soul). I’ve never gotten a woman pregnant, and never had to deal with the choice of having a child I was not prepared for, or one that was less than perfect (Down’s Syndrome, or any other defect that could be detected in-utero). Quite simply, I don’t care. But I don’t… Read more »
Queena Knox
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Many men would love to have a “choice” in this! Most of the time they never know the woman was pregnant. But the law is clear. The woman decides. But, yes, the men ARE responsible for the pregnancy too. My dad has always said they’re MORE responsible! Because they have the “loaded gun!”

Bob Loblaw
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The left and “feminists” have effectively removed men from the equation. What they want is inconsequential, at least it is if they don’t want the unborn child killed. Because “nobody can tell a woman what she cwn and can’t do with her body”. So unborn babies are killed sometimes against father’s wishes for the convenience of someone who couldn’t be bothered to use contraception.

Philanthropussy
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I don ‘t argue stats. They can easily be manipulated. If it’s from a liberal city like NYC, Cali new Orleans you get one set. In the Bible Belt another set. And the ple takers don’t tell you where the stats were taken. Figures lie abd liars figure.
Secondly. It’s a women s choice . She has to raise the baby. Your side don ‘tr provides an alternative other than a couple scripture. It’s not an easy decision to abort. It’s made in desperation In way that you or I don’t know ..

Rob
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The choice comes in allowing a man to come inside of you. I agree with that choice. That’s control of your body. and if your next statement is going to be about pregnancy by rape here’s another stat that you won’t look at or hate. 72,000 pregnancies from rape last year. 50% had abortions. That’s 36,000 babies. Exactly how many babies were born last year in America? Exactly. I’m pro choice. Choose to allow what someone does inside your body. ask me how you can be charged with murder if you intentionally hurt a pregnant woman and cause her to… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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Well, not everybody is as smart as you. Secondly , if I have no money and want to abort, but a prolifer convinces me otherwise , then he must pay for my new choice. Otherwise the state will pay for the baby.

Queena Knox
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Eye roll!!!!

Philanthropussy
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My eye is made of glass. In college I used to take it out and drop it in people’s drinks.

Rob
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first, if people don’t have the money to provide for a child or don’t want children then they shouldn’t be having unprotected sex. Second, the subject is not about the finances to provide for a child or an abortion. It is about ignorance and hypocrisy in our society, largely due to a lack of moral identity. Beautiful burqa by the way.

Philanthropussy
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Getting pregnant due to unprotected sex Is nothing new. But that’s not my point . If a woman is desperate enought to want an abortion and her mind is changed , does anyone have a new plan to get her life together with her baby? The gov should not be responsible. It’s the people who change her mind.
That’s all I’m going to say about this subject. I’ve been at this too long.

Rob
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There are many
families that would love to adopt. I
believe our county is doing a great disservice by making it so difficult and
financially draining to adopt these children.
If a crack-pipe mom can raise 5 kids on her own with the little welfare
provides then I think we can trust people with good backgrounds and consistent
income to accept the responsibility that they are willing to take on.

Philanthropussy
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Vitual high five

Bob Loblaw
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Why is it “my side”s”, or for that matter anybody but the mother and father’s responsibility to “provide alternatives” for these irresponsible idiots? Here’s a novel concept; Each individual or family pays its way through life. When hard times arise, they rely on whatever community they belong to to get them through until they’re back on their feet. Stop having the government (and by extension me) pay for their lifetime of welfare and entitlements. That’s the problem with your side; You expect there to be no consequences for your bad decisions. And you wonder why people with a history of… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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I never said it’s a good thing for the gov to take care of anyone. All I said was a woman wants to keep a baby she can do afford, your prolifer should supple aid not just scriptures.

KHSoldier&Writer
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“All I said was if a woman wants to keep a baby that she can do afford, your prolifers should provide anid support not just scriptures. ”

Why is it MY responsibility to support someone else and their baby? She did the deed, now she has to pay the piper…same as most responsible adults.

And before you say, “Its her choice,” you are right. She made the choice to have sex that night. But that baby is its own entity, and to end its life is murder…like it or not.

Philanthropussy
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Plain and simple-
16 girl pregnant 7 weeks, tells 30 y/o BF, who leaves her and goes back to wife . No education, no skills, father gone- mother co dependent pill addict with susesstion of men in trailer she shares with her 4 siblings. GOT IT?
She decide to get abortion. On her way to clinic, she is stopped by prolifers. They talk her out of it. What’s next?
Nothing bec the prolifers never provide anything. The girl goes to welfare and gets set up with gov bennies.

Queena Knox
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How about giving up that baby (she was about to MURDER) to a loving family to adopt??? No one ever said they have to “keep” the baby! They just need to LET THEM LIVE!

Philanthropussy
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Tes, I’m not going to argue about that. All I am saying is the porlifers should provide assistance .

KHSoldier&Writer
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you should write fiction, or stop watching Jerry Springer.

Choices have consequences. Yes, that is harsh but its also reality. She made her bed (no pun intended) so now she has to deal with it.

Philanthropussy
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Hate to brust your bubble, but life in American isn’t pretty for everybody.

KHSoldier&Writer
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No bubble to bust here.

Again, actions have consequences. We need to teach people to think about what their doing, not coddle them.

You make your decision, you have to live with them….you can’t just snuff out a life because “Oh, my bad.”

Philanthropussy
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YES!!!! that’s what I am saying!!!!! Whoever changed her mind needs to step up.

Queena Knox
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OH MY GOD!

Philanthropussy
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Did we just have sex? I get that reaction a lot after cunniligus

KHSoldier&Writer
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That is NOT what I’m saying. I’m saying that little 16 year old in your little fiction should keep her damn legs closed.

I AM NOT saying that whoever keeps her from killing the child should be responsible.

Let her give the child up for adoption…a much better solution than killing the baby.

Bob Loblaw
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“She has to raise the baby. Your side don ‘tr provides an alternative”

I read “alternative” as support. And I’ll ask again, why is it the responsibility of the state to support (provide alternatives) so some irresponsible woman can continue with her life, free of consequences?

Bob Loblaw
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My question stands: Why should I or anyone else be required to finance her bad decisions (getting pregnant when you can’t afford to raise the child is a bad decision)?

Philanthropussy
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I didn’t say that. All I said was, if the prolife want women to keep their babies. Then they need to help $$ the one’s who can ‘t afford their babies.

Queena Knox
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ADOPTION!!!!!!!

Bob Loblaw
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Pro lifers don’t want women to keep their babies. They just don’t want to be forced to pay for the abortions. Killing unborn children is something they find morally repugnant, for whatever reason (religion, morals, common sense, etc.), and they resent the assumption of the parasite class (those feeling entitled to the fruit of someone else’s labor) that someone else should pay for their mistakes. Want to get them out of your life? Stop asking them to pay for anything you want. Pay for your own contraception or abortions. Then it is truly none of their business if you want… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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Okay let me get this straight . Pro lifers don’t Want your tax dollars going to state sponsored abortions, right?
But after you convince a ” parasite” not to abort, you do anything for her other than say some structure and send her on her way.

Where does she go anyway? Food Stamp land

Rob
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I understand what you are saying. That’s why it is important to teach morality…..right from wrong. It is neither healthy, nor moral to have sex outside of marriage……….for teens it is even worse due to their inability to make choices based on anything other than hormones and emotion. The scenario that you put forth of the teenager getting impregnated by a 30 year old boyfriend is due to this same breakdown. By and large, no father around equals a teenage girl with 30 year old boyfriend. (I understand there are exceptions to the rule) All we have to do is… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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Yes!!!! But having unprotected sex and getting pregnant is nothing new. It happens for many reasons.

Bob Loblaw
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Why is it my rasponsibility to pay for the mistakes of some parasite?

You and your ilk are so concerned, you take them in and support them.

Get your hands out of my pocket..

Philanthropussy
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I don’t know how many times I have to tell you I’m saying the something you are.

Bob Loblaw
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Except the part where you want me to pay for the abortions.

Philanthropussy
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I don’t believe I said anything like that . I don’t think our tax $$ should pay for abortions.

Bob Loblaw
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If you don’t think tax dollars should pay for abortions, why are we arguing?

Philanthropussy
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???

Bob Loblaw
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Go back and read your posts. You state over and over that if I and all other productive, tax paying members of society provide options for these parasites who don’t have the sense to use contraception, or here’s a shocker for you, maybe NOT HAVE SEX if they don’t want a child. According to you, it’s my (and the rest of the productive, tax paying segment of the population) duty to either pay for the killing of the unborn child these parasites “need”, or provide for them some means to take care of themselves and their unwanted baby (or unkilled… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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If you connivence a poor woman who wanted to abort bec she had no support for herself and a baby. Then you support her. She’s just going to go on welfare anyway.

Bob Loblaw
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How about she keeps her legs together and I don’t support her or excuse her from the consequences of her stupid choices.

When the parasite chooses to rely on my wallet she chooses to suffer my criticism and disdain for her.

Liberated my foot. She’s still relying on me.

Philanthropussy
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That’s awfully Christian of you

Bob Loblaw
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I’m not a christian. Just a productive, tax paying member of society tire of supporting a huge class of democrat created parasites.

You’re a bit dim. I’m growing weary of repeating myself. Feel free to let this thread die (or abort it if that terminology is better for you).

Philanthropussy
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You know this country was fucked before Obama . That’s okay , HRC will straighten it out

Bob Loblaw
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Ha!!!

That was funny. Thanks for that. You do realize she’ll be 69 (ugh!! 69 and Hillary Clinton in the same sentence, just wrong) when that happens, right? And with her medical history, she may not make it that long.

And you are correct, the world was fucked before Barry, probably started around 1913 with Woodrow Wilson, or maybe 1901 with Teddy Roosevelt, the first progressives, but he’s just taking it to another level. It’s going to be a long recovery from what this turd has done to us.

Philanthropussy
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Bobby boy, please do me a favor and change your deodorant, your small of desperation is sickening. Are you spazzing out over the possibility of a 68y/o woman becoming pres (yes, please)???? You know your savior Reagan was 80 when he became pres, Murdoch, McCain and the Pope are all over 70. Oops, men don’t count.
Dick Cheney’s med records haven’t stopped him (from really running the country). Oops, he’s a man.

MommaGator
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Ronald Reagan was born in 1911. He was sworn in as President on January 20, 1981. He was actually a couple of weeks shy of 70 when he became president, not 80.

Philanthropussy
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Thank you, madam. I appreciate being corrected without insults .
I hope your gator kids gave you a great Mother’s Day.

MommaGator
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Thank you, PP! I’m touched by your kind words. FWIW, I didn’t think Reagan was too old, nor do I think Hillary is too old. I have other reasons for not being overly fond of her, but her age is not a problem for me at all.

Philanthropussy
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No problemo. I like you and do respect your opinion . Have a lovely Mother’s Day

Bob Loblaw
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Funny, you assume I’m a republican. Yes Reagan and McCain are old. Something you leftists thought should disqualify each of them from the office of president. And McCain, he’s more like you and your ilk than he is like me. do you even read my posts or just tap away angrily between meals and play time? Of the Pope, who cares, the Catholic Church is a private organization and I care not even a little who they hire. Same for Murdoch. I also don’t care what either of them is paid either. I’m sure it’s like 10,000,000 times what some… Read more »
Philanthropussy
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I get it, you thought I wouldn’t dare question your great brain. Think again , clown

Bob Loblaw
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Uh, yeah, that’s what I was saying?

Wow, you’re a weird one. Fun though.

So, you get ready to vote for Hillary Clinton. Should be a fun race to watch with her in it.

Air Force One will be a broom if she wins.

That’s funny.

Philanthropussy
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No the real race will be the republicans eating each other alive

beckashno
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There is no logic. Liberals don’t understand logic. “Logical liberals” is an oxymoron.

drwho2
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When it comes to liberals there is no logic ,there is no brains, there is no help, there is no hope!

Queena Knox
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They make their brand of “logic” fit what they want to do!

MotherBatherick
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The Libs really have a monkey on their back with trying to defend their killing of innocent unborn children. What a bunch of sick weirdos!

judy
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LovinMalamutes
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How much more do they need for it to be called as it is, murder with malice and intent. The mother intentionally goes to the clinic, to intentionally kill her unborn child and the motive is usually ” it would be too inconvenient and/or troubling to give birth to the life, so killing is chosen. That’s murder, IMO I was 15 and pregnant, abortion was an option, but was never considered in my mind and heart as one. My daughter is a successful woman now, and an awesome mother herself, and I couldn’t be more proud. It wasn’t easy by… Read more »
Lizard
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Bravo!!!!

dginga
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First off, when did “mistreatment” become “maltreatment?” I hate that word. Second, there is no greater mistreatment possible than murder, and abortion is murder – ESPECIALLY when it is done for no other reason than the CONVENIENCE of the mother. If having a baby is so darn inconvenient that you would stoop to murder, why don’t you stop having sex or be more responsible about birth control?

CHANGEIN2014
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This is sooooooooo sick, just like the Left!!

xerocky
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a) “You stand accused of not giving proper pre natal care for your unborn child”
b) “Oh, it’s ok, I plan to kill it”
a) ” oh ok.”

Vinita Thonen
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Liberal logic is an oxymoron.

bobcchicago
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Q. What did the unborn child say to the liberal abortion doctor?

A. Pretend I am a tree and save me.

Cringe McCringe
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There are Republican Pro-Choicers too you muppets http://www.gopchoice.org/

Vienta76
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What makes pro-life republicans muppets?

Rafael X
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What then if the mother to be is a 12 year girl who got molested by the honorable great-uncle above all suspicion.

rhonda
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those numbers are very very very small. I do agree that there must be a way to help that child. I am not sure what. I would need to think about it but both are traumatic

Kat McAvoy
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Do you believe children should pay for the crimes of their parents? Do you also believe that an abortion is a healing process for a victim of incest or rape? Will making a mother an accomplice to this murder/punishment of a child further them in the healing process at all?

Rafael X
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I believe that a 12 year old who gets raped or molested is also a child. I don’t think that child should be robbed of it’s childhood to become a parent because an adult who should know better forced himself on her.

MotherSetonsDaughter
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I know a woman who was molested at 10, gave birth, and the baby was adopted. Six years later she became pregnant at the age of 16 and had an abortion. The abortion caused her exponentially more pain later in life than the birth and adoption of her child conceived by incest.

Lizard
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And I believe such circumstances are INCREDIBLY rare … abortionists love to point toward rape when the facts are that most abortions are due to inconvenience — the inconvenience of poor or NO planning. And AA babies are being aborted at astounding rates

Rafael X
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Do you think it’s your place to decide when it’s best for someone else to have children?

Vienta76
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You obviously believe it is your place Rafael, by your very comments….

Dan
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Is it true that the socialists are promoting abortion up to and including the 444th trimester?

judy
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I really don’t think they care Dan. Go to this video on history. Very long. The socialists are backed by the elite. http://www.maafa21.com

Michelle Crist
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You cant have it both ways either the unborn fetus is a life or its not.

Mark Smith
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“Based on data from 51 states”???

Tabitha Sue Perez
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Unless it’s a typo, they’re probably counting Puerto Rico as a state too.

Sharon Jackson
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Two wrongs don’t make a right . Killing babies is never a good idea.What if you found out the baby you killed was the one to discover the cure for cancer? How many lives would be destroyed then that could have been prevented? Seriously.. Thou shalt NOT kill.’nuff said..murdering a child should never be an option

AccountantCas
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Pro-abortion = Pro-death. Period.

Eric Nearing
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When did we get another state? last I looked we had 50. Maybe my history is wrong, I did go to public school.

Andrew Frank
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How about the christian sects that believe only in faith to heal sickness?? They have the right to decide the fate of their offspring at liberty against all common sense and a woman does not have that right for the gestating cells in HER body(not even a human being)?? Is it morally wrong to have unprotected sex and abort a pregnancy ?? Yes. Is it solely the mother’s choice to own that moral responsibility ?? Absolutely. HER life is at stake. What would be the difference if a mother aborts a fetus and an anti-medicine christian lets her 1 y/o… Read more »
Vienta76
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Not a human being? Is that what you tell yourself? Do you know what polio, whooping cough and the flu are? Andrew, to some degree you have a point, but you’re obviously ignorant at the same time.

Lisa Dillon
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why why why can we not make birth control accesable and affordable

Persephone
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You can got to any drug store or CONVENIENCE store to get it. How is that not accessible? Condoms cost a couple dollars. Can’t afford that? Planned parenthood and bars give them out for free. How is that not affordable?