Shocking census numbers show we’re at the tipping point

I am often asked if I believe our Republic is close to the tipping point. My answer is yes, I truly believe we are. There is a great quote often attributed to Scottish historian, Alexander Fraser Tytler, Alexis de Tocqueville or some other very astute person that sums it up nicely:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

Well, here we are on the brink, backed up by cold hard facts. According to analysis of U.S Census Bureau data by Terence Jeffrey at cnsnews.com, in 2012 there were 86,429,000 people who got up every morning and went to work in the private sector – but they were way outnumbered by those receiving “means-tested” government benefits including, Medicaid, food stamps, Supplemental Security Income (Social Security Disability), public housing, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, and Women, Infants and Children (WIC).

In the last quarter of 2011, according to the Census Bureau, approximately 82,457,000 people lived in households where one or more people were on Medicaid. 49,073,000 lived in households were someone got food stamps. 23,228,000 lived in households where one or more got WIC. 20,223,000 lived in households where one or more got SSI. 13,433,000 lived in public or government-subsidized housing. Of course, it stands to reason that some people lived in households that received more than one welfare benefit at a time. To account for this, the Census Bureau published a neat composite statistic: There were 108,592,000 people in the fourth quarter of 2011 who lived in a household that included people on “one or more means-tested program.”

That means there were more people receiving benefits in this country than working full-time in the private sector.

If you include the 49,901,000 people receiving Social Security in the fourth quarter of 2011, the 46,440,000 receiving Medicare and 5,098,000 getting unemployment compensation, you now have 147,802,000 receiving benefits. (I’m intentionally leaving out veterans and their benefits).

The 147,802,000 folks outnumbered the 86,429,000 full-time private sector workers 1.7 to 1.

What do we do now? Institute the fiscal policies (tax, regulatory, and monetary) that create private sector economic growth by way of individual entrepreneurial investment (not government), innovation and ingenuity – and get Americans back to work. As we get Americans back to work, we can increase receipts for Social Security — and it must be in a “lock box” so politicians cannot spend it.

As we get more Americans back to work, we reduce the welfare rolls and those requiring unemployment benefits and Medicaid. Many fail to realize that Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare are part of the “mandatory spending side of our federal budget — along with net interest on the debt. That comprises some 62 percent of the federal budget.

As President Obama likes to say, “it is math,” but this math does not bode well for the future of America. America now has more people on Medicaid than the population of England. We have more people on food stamps than the population of Spain. This is the result of the Obama economy, the growth of the welfare nanny-state and the demonizing of hard working Americans. Clock is ticking…

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moonman1959
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And yet, the people that the populace looks to, to lead, does nothing but talk about it. The military, who takes an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, does nothing. The Generals, the Admirals, do nothing. Will the people with the knowledge and resources to effect true change, do anything? I doubt it.

Ken Largent II
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That would be you. YOU are one of the people with knowledge and resources to effect true change. YOU can visit with your neighbors. YOU can organize events in your town. YOU can run for office. YOU can get elected and set things straight. STOP bitching about it and DO something about it.

ŦẉỏẾẙәᵴ
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You are absolutely right Ken. However, one of the ultimate goals of the DNC is to get you so poor, that you simply do not have time to do all of the things you have just mentioned. When does someone who lives paycheck to paycheck have the time to organize events? I HAVE NOT said that you are wrong mind you.

moonman1959
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I’m not criticizing Joe Sixpack. I’m talking about “leaders” in Congress, professional soldiers and sailors and Marines. I’m talking about people proficient in the skills necessary to take this country back. Unfortunately, I am not one of those. I could do my part, whatever is asked of me. But the grunt work…that time has long passed.

samantha
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Our ‘leaders’ are now Muslim; they want a totally different America which will happen due to the Muslim-in-chief. Well, really not due to him since he has no clue what he’s doing – he’s Jarrett’s puppet. . . He just keep’s lying, smiling and offering free stuff and the sheeple continue to follow. . .forget about what’s best for America as a whole – it’s all ‘what about me?’.

The_Patriot
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and what are you doing about it Mr. Largent II?

moonman1959
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Exactly.

Dan
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This is what you get for electing a community organizer as President.

Barry Penders
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…nothing lasts forever…

The_Patriot
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So apparently you are for us giving in to a muslim or communist way of life? If so you are free to leave, find yourself a nice cozy piece of floor to live on in Russia or the middle east

Barry Penders
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“apparently” you are upset. Take a deep breath. Have a cool refreshing drink. Liberal Supremacism by their leader the Saracen Choom gang leader will collapse from their inability to get along with their fellow suprematist’s.

The_Patriot
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first off I am not upset at all. Never assume. it is most unbecoming. “nothing lasts forever is a very vague statement, which I apparently misunderstood you to mean The US

Barry Penders
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You gave me permission to live on the floor in Russia or the middle east. I took that comment as being “upset”…therefore the qualifier “apparently”…now I see you are commanding me to “Never assume”….thanks for the advice…have a great evening!!

The_Patriot
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Touche’

Reba
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Hello

The_Patriot
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you see I had voted you up at the other website? how are you?

Reba
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Yes and I always go back and double check, I voted you up.

The_Patriot
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So how are yo? and thanks

Reba
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Supporters of the Bundy Ranch are “Domestic Terrorists”. Interesting, I thought most of the Elected Officials are “Domestic Terrorists”. Had treatment today, so trying to stay awake till bed time so I will sleep well (I Hope). Maybe I should put in my post tonight; “Not responsible for what I say”. Lol

The_Patriot
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Well I am glad that you are trying to take car of yourself. I knew from a year ago this branding was coming, so now it is official, “Patriots and conservatives are Terrorists”
Reid needs to be arrested for treason

Reba
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I think Harry Reid let the “cat out of the bag”. Just from a couple of statements he made, he let everyone know how the government is going to treat “The Patriots”, “The Militia”, “The Oath Keepers” and anyone else that believes in “Our Constitution” and stands up to Washington. So, now we know when they return, they will have this mind set. OP-ED Washington Times: Vets are linked to White Supremacy/Hate Groups. Never Ends!

The_Patriot
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nothing could be further from the truth. Seems to me they are trying to indeed start the summer of rage

Reba
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Yes and I believe they are coming back stronger in every way, in order to declare Marshall Law. I wonder whose side “Our Military” will stand with.

The_Patriot
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when he declares Martial Law it will be with the DHS Army and they answer to him, not to forget that the Generals in the army are yes men now that he fired all the oners who were competent

Reba
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I agree and it’s a big concern for me. I have never seen a post from any of them that were fired or pushed out.

The_Patriot
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There are sites that there are running I just cannot remember the name, not all of the, but a few of them.

Reba
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Wish we could find out what they are.

The_Patriot
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http://www.standupamericaus.org/ I think this is it but I am not positive

Reba
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I’ll check it out, thanks. 🙂
Any other articles you are posting on now?

The_Patriot
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well I have posted on them all, but this is the only one I am on in dicussion

Reba
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k 🙂

The_Patriot
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I am not up to my usual standard of feeling well So I am going to head out. It is good to see you. I will be around this weekend

Reba
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I hope you feel better. Take care and will see you later. 🙂

The_Patriot
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good night my friend

Reba
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Good Night

The_Patriot
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> The Generals that are left in power are too afraid to lose their pensions to do their job effectively or to “defend the enemy within” I am not for over throwing the government. I just know that voting change would take too long. We as citizens who are concerned in keeping our country a Republic and stuck between a rock and a hard place. With the hope and change that barry has for us shoved where the sun don’t shine in us, combined with stymied help from congress. They are leaving us with little choice. We are backed into… Read more »
samantha
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Speaking of Hope and Change, I’d like to have someone tell me exactly what they think o meant when he said ‘Hope and Change – SPECIFICALLY. “With enough effort, and enough empathy, and enough perseverance, and enough courage, people who love their country can change it.” —President Obama on LBJ’s legacy and the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act: http://go.wh.gov/kdkDkH There’s no common sense anymore – Muslim’s protected, Christians persecuted, Cliven Bundy and militia are terrorists yet the BLM shows up with heavy weaponry, Dems bad mouth conservatives saying we’re not for women’s rights yet they won’t defend the… Read more »
The_Patriot
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It isn’t cause of barry it is the communist agenda hard at work. You are seeing the fruition of 60 years of work by bill ayers, saul Alinsky . Please watch this video, very enlightening. It explains what and why and should answer a lot of questions a but lengthy but more than worth the time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ3bxMaI2T4

Scott Chichelli
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yes its a major issue however these numbers are somewhat inflated. many of those households received more than 1 of those benefits, so you can not combine them for a total

Thorkim
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God help us.

RMH
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I question your math but even if I accepted it you leave out major pieces of the puzzle. Corporations like Walmart that make **giant ** profits fail to pay a living wage and rely on the government to provide food stamps so their workers can eat. Banks get bailouts from the Feds and pay millions in bonuses to executives. Corporate lobbying has a far greater impact than individual voters. Time to stop blaming the poor and focus on tax evasion by corporations and other corporate greed & lobbying that costs the Federal gov’t money. Bottom line: There would be less… Read more »
LMW51
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There would be less need for government programs if large government and its thousands and thousands of pages of regulations would get the hell out of the way of businesses so that they could hire more people. The answer is JOBS. Something that this current administration has paid lip service to for the past five years. Where is all the growth in our economy that unemployment benefits were supposed to provide us? “Economists agree that unemployment benefits remain one of the best ways to grow the economy in a very immediate way,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (R-Calif.) Where are… Read more »
hairyputter
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Jobs in government … jobs in the IRS …. jobs in HHS … etc. But not in the private sector. That was never the objective.

Merle Dickey
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Well we should know she doesn’t care about the people with her “sign it and then you can see what’s in it”

samantha
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You mean Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif). . .

PopTheLid
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No….you won’t be getting even MORE free stuff. Which is what everything you have said amounts too.

RMH
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Your reply makes no sense. My point is that corporate greed is encouraged and unchecked. It is damaging the country. If you do the math, you would see who is benefiting from exploiting the current system. It’s not the folks on food stamps (although there is bound to be abuse there too). While it would be great to cure all abuses, we should go after the biggest dollars first. Blaming food stamps is like chasing a kid that stole a candy bar while the mafia takes big screen TVs by the truck load out the back of your store (while… Read more »
PopTheLid
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Well given that one is earned and their money, versus one is not earned and as you reference fraud you have your priorities mixed up. One is legal, one is illegal. What someone does with their money is none of your concern and people are not poor because others are wealthy, look at the progressive policies that create this . Wealth is not a pizza pie you have to fight to get a slice of, wealth is you make as many pies as you can and bake your own pizza instead of spending all your time attempting to steal someone… Read more »
RMH
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I never said “destroy the rich”, that’s your issue. I enjoy a very nice top 5% (formerly top 1%) life. You are so busy reacting to buzz words and looking for partisan blame that you are not processing what I am saying. When a corporation takes Federal handouts, they do not “earn” those profits. They are cutting costs (wages) and relying on the government to take up the slack. Then they pocket the profit. PS Just because something is legal, does not make it reasonable or non-exploitive. With enough $, you can lobby for almost any law.
Larry
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People working at wal-mart have to rely on food stamps to eat? Really?
My aunt worked at wal-mart and she’s never been on food stamps.

Merle Dickey
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She is probably one too proud to ask for help. A lot of WM employees are young people with 2 to 4 kids and no they can’t make it on what they pay. To me WM would be a good 2nd job.

RMH
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You have a data set of one. There are 1.4 million employees at Walmart. For many, their wages are so low that they qualify for housing subsidies, food stamps and medicare for an estimated cost of $6 billion to tax payers while Walmart makes huge profits. Maybe you think this makes sense, I don’t. http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/

Barbara Vander Mark
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When I started working for the City of Grand Rapids in 1979, women were paid less than the Federal Poverty Level. One of the women I worked with full-time qualified for welfare. One woman I worked with lived in her car. Now all I hear is how well public servants are paid. I am so tired of this “paint everyone with a broad brush” as it solves nothing.

Michael Rice
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If I had a job at Wal Mart, we’d be loaded, at least feel that way. For the record, that statement you just read was from someone on food stamps. Someone who hates it and wishes it was harder to get on and easier to get off, instead of the reverse. I don’t have a job. I can work, but can’t do what I have done all my life due to back issues, Food stamps create a culture of dependence. My neighbor got a raise, something like 6 dollars a month…that put her over the cap for ehr family size… Read more »
Sillysally
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Wal Mart, the favorite whipping boy for the left, actually pays pretty good for unskilled help.

Michael Rice
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I wonder what the left would say if Wal Mart just up and lcosed every store…?

Kim Sanders
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Good riddance?

Mark Cline
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Once again Mitt Romney was right. I spoke with a rancher from Montana awhile back. He told me that they are being so heavily regulated that their only hope is to stop feeding the people that regulate them.

Merle Dickey
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Just another thing Mitt was correct about!!WE would have jobs opening up all over by now if Mitt had gotten his correct share of the votes.Everyone get out and vote this time and I hope our politicians are screaming for voter ID. I had an idea ,if after you vote they stamp you with some thing that won’t come off for about 3 days and if they see that, you won”t be able to vote again.

louisk
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Go into a padded sound proof room and scream. then pretend the government heard you. col west is correct. We have become a nation of lazy stupid dead beats and I am tired of supporting them.

William556
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What will happen is that the status quo will continue until it all falls down and Obama can complete his fundamental transformation of the US into a Marxists welfare/police state with himself at the top. It won’t happen any other way because making the needed changes would destroy the Democrat party and even the Republicans are afraid to touch Social Security. Besides, the politicians are drooling over an amnesty and millions of new votes to buy votes from.

Mike Godwin
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Barck Obama is the Adolf Hitler of our era. Anyone who disagrees is a racist.

Pete2
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Godwin? Really?

cliffyk
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Why did you include Social Security and Medicare? I have been paying into the former for my entire working life (50+ years) and the latter for the best part of those years. Like “veterans” all I want from either is what I was promised…

TBone Ryan
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I think he may have included because it is not adequately funded since the democrats decided to treat it as a piggy bank rather than a trust fund.

cliffyk
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It was nonetheless an innappropriate thing to include, lumped in with the other wealth re-distribution/give-away programs. I agree that it has been treated as a piggy-bank (and not just by Democrats, they are all crooks)–however that does not alter the we baby boomers have paid into it our whole lives and now want what we were promised…

TBone Ryan
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Agreed.

beenthere
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We need a President with the guts to stop this nonsense and help those that really need it and dump those that are using it to make a living. A start could be to give assistance to persons completely unable to work and to those that can cut it in have then in half again. Paying only to get them up to the poverty level. See how many will find jobs. Before you start calling me names and a racist. I have been in the situation of no income and homeless. I am speaking as one who knows. I fought… Read more »
Merle Dickey
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So they are supposed to beat off all the younger folks that are out there looking for a job? The unemployment figure they throw out at you is a lie. Unemployment is really around 12 %Some states worse, some a little better

Barbara Vander Mark
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ssi is NOT social security disability it is adult welfare that began for elderly widows who never worked outside the home or handicapped adults who were crippled as children so never worked outside the home. Before I retired 12 years ago it amounted to $400 a month. People who work outside the home contribute to social security as does their employer. Social Security Disability SSD is based on that person’s contributions to social security. They receive what any retired person receives: income based on the last 3 years of contributions until they are 65 or disabled. Aid to Families with… Read more »
Merle Dickey
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And you believed her!!!!!

Barbara Vander Mark
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Who is her?

Dan
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Are you implying that “people who receive government benefits” and “people who work full time in the private sector” are mutually exclusive categories? Or that “people who qualify for Medicaid” is mutually exclusive from “people who qualify for SNAP”?

Because if you are . . . that is some very intellectually dishonest math.

MickeyFreakinDougal
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I didn’t get that implication at all from this piece. The point here, and it is supported by the math, is that working for what you want has largely gone out of style and has been replaced by “gimme as much free stuff as I can qualify for.”

Dan
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“in 2012 there were 86,429,000 people who got up every morning and went to work in the private sector – but they were way outnumbered by those receiving “means-tested” government benefits” & “The 147,802,000 folks outnumbered the 86,429,000 full-time private sector workers 1.7 to 1.” Those right there. Moreover, those numbers do not SUPPORT your proposition. Nor do they, alone, support an alternative analysis of what causes the need for welfare programs. Part of the problem with nonsense stories like this one is that they provide data and then presume to say “clearly this data can only support my interpretation… Read more »
MickeyFreakinDougal
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Whatever, dude. If you want to believe we are still the hardworking people that built this great country, keep deluding yourself. Today, the many are being supported in too many ways by the few. If you could get off your high-horse for a minute, you would see that.

Dan
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Perhaps you missed the last part of what I said. I am not arguing one partisan position or another here. While I have my own beliefs, this data does not support my argument just as it doesn’t support the one on this site. What I AM arguing is that he is being very dishonest in his presentation of information. Beyond simply acting that groups are somehow mutually exclusive, he is also using non-causal numbers to try and make a point. I am asking that people stop accepting this type of nonsense claim. On both sides of the aisle (to be… Read more »
hairyputter
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Dan, why do you think there are too many people receiving welfare?

Dan
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Look, there is undoubtedly an incredibly complex explanation as to why that is the case. I categorically dismiss any such reductivism as “it is because people are lazy” or “corporations are greedy” or “the government is too large”. Such claims are so wrought with terrible generalities that no reasonable person should give them any credence. Are there lazy people who collect benefits? Sure, just like there are unscrupulous corporations. But alone those are not strong enough claims to explain anything. I think that any smart answer to this question needs to evaluate structural and institutional forces that are at work… Read more »
hairyputter
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Eloquently articulated bullshit. Capitalism is not the reason for social demise. People who have been raised in (and live according to) the “me first ” lifestyle promulgated by TV and video games are the reason.

Dan
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It is regrettable that you have no conception of alternative explanations that are not simply reductive one liners. The world is complicated and making broad claims about the cause of very serious social and economic questions does nobody any favors. Moreover, your ‘explanation’ just doesn’t mesh with a lot of empirics on the economic futures of younger generations. People that, by and large, say they want to work and they want to learn but struggle with that because of the cost of college and lack of jobs. Look, those alone are not explanation enough for welfare programs. But they do,… Read more »
MickeyFreakinDougal
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I would agree that he is pushing the numbers to their statistical limit, but not that he is being “very dishonest.”

Dan
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I think I haven’t done a great job getting my point across, such is internet commenting, I suppose. My argument is that these numbers have no statistical power. They are strictly descriptive. There is nothing about them that allows for inferences, they are just stating facts. The problem is that, and here is where I say he is being dishonest, he is ascribing them statistical inference power. He is saying: “hey look at these numbers, clearly the only way to interpret them is that people are lazy.” But the numbers do NOT say that. Not even close. They also do… Read more »
Pete2
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And what about the thousands of Walmart employees whose pay is so low they need to rely on government benefits? Which category do they fall in, just to quote an example.

Mike Mickey
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Maybe they need to learn to do something that will earn them a better living, You only get out of this life what you are willing to put in.

Dan
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You seem to have missed the point of what Pete2 said. He is asking the question, if you are full time but earn so little that you qualify for means tested benefits, which category is Mr. West going to put them in?

Do you have an answer for that?

hairyputter
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Yes. Go to school, get more training to qualify for a better job. That Is what I had to do and many others did the same. I did it while working full time in a menial job and raising two kids, so don’t tell me that it cannot be done.

Dan
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Unfortunately, you are still missing the question. You are making a prescriptive claim whereas we are asking about methodology. Mr. West is claiming that there are two distinct groups of people: those who work full time and those who receive benefits. Our argument is that those are not always mutually exclusive categories. In fact, they very seldom are. So when Pete2 asks what category do you put someone who works full time at Walmart while still needing SNAP (for example) in, he is asking a methodological question.

hairyputter
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And I gave him a methodological answer, which is to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. Millions of people have done it. It works … if the desire is there.

Dan
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Do you not know what the word methodological means in this context? It refers to the design of the data set, how one organizes their variables, etc. It is not remotely related to what you are talking about as you are, again, making a prescriptive statement.

MickeyFreakinDougal
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Actually, as much as I hate to say it, Walmart pay is not that bad. Sure, entry-level jobs with no experience don’t pay much more than minimum wage, but there are a lot of ways to advance. The problem is that too many people, Walmart employees and non-Walmart employees, choose to live beyond their means. They don’t truly “NEED” gov’t benefits. They choose to take them them because they are easy to get and it leaves enough of their pay for beer and smokes.

Merle Dickey
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Thank you for saying “too many” and not “all” as I know a lady who works for WM and she is a very hard worker and does volunteer work at the high school where her daughter goes so her daughter can be in the band.

Dan
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Well I think that is my point. Clearly there are people working full time who also get benefits and there are also clearly people who get more than one benefit (as was stated in the piece, they are means tested).

If those are both true statements (which they are) then his math is intellectually dishonest and he should be ashamed.

hairyputter
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Not as ashamed as the perpetrators of this government largess who use it to keep people dependent on the Federal Government.

Reptile Man
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From what I have witnessed of government, they are all deficient, immoral, parasitical, and all are responsible to varying degrees for the inevitable fall of this once great country. Anyone who aspires to positions of power are inherently corrupt. We would be a million times better off drawing names out of a barrel at this point.

Merle Dickey
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I think we could do without about a third of them!

Center_Flank
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I have often said We could pull 535 names from the phone book OR from the Chamber of Commerce’s, and come up with a better Government. It’s time to abolish the Federal Election Commission the has established a way to re-elect the incumbents 83% of the time…..

hairyputter
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Eliminate the FEC and majority voting will prevail. The East and West coasts and large urban areas would dominate all votes. The Democrats and big labor bosses would like that. The FEC was set up by our founders to make sure that lesser populated areas in the country had a chance to have a say in how the government was run. We still need that balance today.

MickeyFreakinDougal
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Better solution is to repeal the 17th Amendment. Before it, less than 40% of senators served more than two terms. Since it’s passage, nearly 90% do. The people should elect the House, but the States should appoint the Senate. That’s how the founders designed it.

DeadMessenger
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I’m with you on the drawing names thing. I can’t be bought, and I’ll bet there are lots and lots of others like me. Of course, lots and lots of ordinary folks CAN be bought, but still, statistically speaking, I think we’re better off with drawing names. That’s pretty sad.

MickeyFreakinDougal
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We need a president who will be a coach and a cheerleader, who will convince people that they are capable of achieving their own dreams if they work for them. Not one who just wants to be another fairy-godmother/genie-in-a-bottle, granting wishes (and delivering misery).

Exodus2011
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0% Corporate Tax Rate = 0 opportunities 4 Crony Capitalism; with 0
Bailouts = 0 degree tilt to free market playing field (ie. it is LEVEL!) = the 0,0,0,0
plan!

MotherBatherick
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It is both angering and sickening to know that we have a govt that no longer cares for those in uniform willing to defend and protect our country, much less pay any loyalty to those who have worked hard all their lives to keep this country thriving.

Merle Dickey
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That breaks the heart of many.

kevin
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Guess what, ss is not an entitlement! As a small business man I paid into that at a rate of 15%. You working folks only pay 7.5% of your wages. As a small business men I paid15%. You see, as a worker you pay 7.5% and your employer pays 7.5%, but as a small business man, being my own boss I had to pay 15%. That was tewice what others had to pay plus I had to pay half my employees part. This is

Merle Dickey
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I too had a business and that really hurts when you have double the costs. I don’t understand why the young folks of today are so bitter about retirees collecting 50 years of paying into this. Selfishness is All I can conceive. I never in my life had food stamps or welfare help.Most jobs that I had didn’t
have paid vacation or health insurance and if you ask for week off once a year they would get upset!I was lucky to be able to start my own business at 30.And I didn’t treat my help like that.

Robin Hood
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My help ??

Not even my employees ??

Hey You
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You said it.

Billy Mullins
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Ah, Col West, sir. I am one of those now on regular social security. I worked and paid into the system from 1969 until 2013. Am I now a “freeloader”. There is nothing “means tested” about what I receive. It is based solely upon what I paid in. I can understand including “some” SSI recipients with Welfare Queens etc. but not folks who have elected to retire. I don’t even agree with lumping ALL SSI recipients in your total. Sure, the ones whose “disability” is essentially being a drug addict. I used to have a brother-in-law who did that. Fortunately,… Read more »
MickeyFreakinDougal
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It may be “based” loosely on what you paid in, but you are receiving benefits based solely on what others are currently contributing. Your contributions were paid out as soon as you paidthem in.

hairyputter
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Mickey; Whose fault is it that we paid all that money into the Social Security Trust Fund? Were we given an option by FDR? And who was it that dissolved the trust fund to balance his Presidencies budget? It was that hero of the Democrats, Bill Clinton.

Robin Hood
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You mean, he would have lost 2/3 of it during Bush, tea twit.

Merle Dickey
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At the time he started investing they would not allow you to try and have personal investments out of it.I’m not sure they do now. It was totally controlled by the government. But in my family I have 2 people that died in their late 40s and never collected anything except 250.00 for a funeral fee .And I have had 3 friends that died before they were able to collect a dime. My husband died at 42, all I got was the funeral fee.

Robin Hood
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Your share went to Paul Ryan, is that all “right” ?

Merle Dickey
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No, I am getting mine since I retired. Their share I am sure went to some illegal because they broke their toe and got on disability!

Robin Hood
Guest

Yep, ONLY illegals get disabilities & free medical, like those pesky Palin grafters….

Merle Dickey
Guest

Geez Robin , you just like very one to think like you don’t you?If you will reread my comment I said “SOME”.. I have witnessed first hand where a lot of money goes when it comes to illegals. If you haven’t been exposed to it then consider your self lucky. Happy Easter

Robin Hood
Guest

Yeah, why not pick on the poor folks, who came here to provide for their families… after all, WWJD, right ?

colsooonscoorner
Guest

And they wonder why amnesty is not popular. That’s like throwing the crew overboard, so we can get to our destination faster.

Judith Syrett
Guest

social security and medicare are NOT entitlements. us old folks have paid into this for about 50 years!!!

Peter Hartrich
Guest

it becomes an entitlement as soon as you have received everything you personally paid in during your working life time. Thereafter you draw what some one else has paid in.

johnnywood
Guest

The fact is that when you draw Social Security you get back everything you paid in within the first three years.

Merle Dickey
Guest

Not true. I have been on for 5 years and I still have only drawn half of what I paid in. If the government would quit taking it out for their selves , there would be interest growing too. Too much of it is turned over to Medicaid that pays the bills for the illegals that keep having children

above god
Guest

The number of people on food stamps now exceeds the number of women working full time. Obama wants the unemployment rate to stay high, keep people on unemployment & food stamps. The more that are dependent on government will vote to stay dependent & not seek employment to improve themselves & the country. Obama even changed how he refers to illegal aliens, they are now “unregistered Democrats”!

Lailahj
Guest

There are plenty of people on food stamps that are “underemployed” – working full time, but making little enough to remain on means-tested entitlements. The jobs aren’t there for those of us who would rather not be on government welfare, work full time, but still don’t make enough. You know……like enlisted personnel in the military.

lokiswife
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We have 73% of Americans living from paycheck to paycheck, with few resources to carry them over a rough spot or an emergency. How many of those people now getting government aid were those who got cut back from fulltime jobs to 30 hours or less a week to avoid the expensive Obamacare costs to businesses? How many lost their jobs when the EPA and OSHA added new and expensive restrictions on businesses? The majority (about 80%) of new jobs are low pay, part time jobs that can’t support a family, let along a single person. Obama won’t be happy… Read more »
bleedinell
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At what point do our creditors raise the interest rate or simply say no to the 85 billion we borrow every month?
Time to move to the hills, it’s going to get messy.