Concealed carry; cracking down on bad guys helps reduce Chicago murders – but liberals don’t want you to know

You’re definitely not going to hear this from Piers Morgan (not that you want to hear anything from Piers Morgan) but according the Washington Times, “Chicago police are reporting that the murder rate for the first quarter of the year is the lowest it’s been in more than 50 years, which gun advocates are attributing to a concealed carry law passed in Illinois last year. The first three months of 2014 have seen the fewest number of homicides since 1958 — six fewer than this time in 2013, and 55 fewer than this time in 2012, The Chicago Sun-Times reported.”

Now you might think Chicago Mayor Rahm Emmanuel, Mr. Never Let a Good Crisis Go to Waste, wouldn’t let good news like this go unreported – but no, it doesn’t fit the liberal progressive agenda. Or how about President Obama celebrating gun violence in his hometown being down? Nah, better to do a Rose Garden press conference to lie about the number of Obamacare sign ups.

Gun-rights advocates always say concealed carry laws can reduce crime and keep the population safer. The state of Illinois began accepting applications for permits in January. “The facts are every time guns have been allowed, concealed-carry has been allowed, the crime rate has gone down,” said Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican, just months before Illinois passed the concealed carry law in July 2013.

However, there is another perspective on this positive turnaround. Chicago Police Superintendant Garry McCarthy says the opposite of more guns is what’s reducing crime: police have recovered 1,300 illegal guns during the first three months of 2014. Mr. McCarthy also attributed the drop in violence to better police training and community programs to keep kids off the street.

My assessment is it’s a combination of these positive factors. One thing is for certain: banning guns did not cause this situation to take an “about face.”

What puzzles me is that gun control acolytes, such as the insane body in Connecticut’s legislature, fail to understand that only law-abiding citizens will obey laws, including new gun laws. Those individuals who don’t are called “outlaws” for a reason, because they act outside the law. The guns that the Chicago Police Superintendent has confiscated are “illegal” guns.

Now that carry restrictions are eased in Chicago, you see the good guys doing what is right: applying, and registering for their carry permits. Those are the folks who will keep our streets safe because outlaws only go where they believe their behavior won’t be challenged.

In the aftermath of the second Ft. Hood mass shooting, there are many clamoring for all soldiers to carry concealed weapons on military installations. This is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction and it’s not the solution. The military doesn’t need Congress to step in and take control of the situation, it just needs courageous leaders who command our military installations to issue an order — which they can. The order is simple and should outline procedures by which subordinate commands — I recommend the Battalion level — are able to construct a duty roster arming key leaders at the Staff Non-Commissioned Officer and Junior Officer level in unit areas with a 9mm sidearm and two magazines.

This program should be placed under the direct guidance and supervision of the Battalion/Squadron level Command Sergeants Major or in case of Air Force and Navy, Command Master Sergeants and Master Chief Petty Officers.

It is time adults started developing commonsense solutions to combat gun crime in the United States. We don’t need more hair-on-fire liberal progressive ideologues trying to create rules, which are the antithesis of our Second Amendment right.

Sad to think that this story from the Washington Times isn’t receiving wider dissemination. It’s a good news story, but then again, it’s counter to the agenda of the progressive socialists and their media accomplices.

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Sherill Weber
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Sorry Mr. West but wait until the summer is over before making that statement. We have had one of the coldest and snowy winters here. Wait until the warm weather comes and see what happens. Always seems like when we have warm weekends,,,,we have a lot of gun violence. And I am 100% for guns.

John Schwartz
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not so fast rham on taking credit for the drop…..a very cold winter has also helped the crime rate drop. lets wait to see what happens this summer….when its hot

Rob W
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STOP THIS PLEASE ! ! ! UNDERSTAND ME ! I am FORMER INFANTRY 101ST AIRBORNE ELEVEN YEARS ! ! I am a conservative, I am FOR gun rights, I am FOR Conceal Carry. This is a MISLEADING STATISTIC ! ! CC permits were not mailed until the LAST MONTH OF THE QUARTER ! ! AND we have also had the THIRD COLDEST WINTER IN OUR HISTORY (Does the term POLAR VORTEX ring a bell?) ! ! More than 40 days IN A ROW below the freezing mark. I am POSITIVE that the crime rates WILL drop as the number of… Read more »
Reba
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Thank you for your Service.

Rob W
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It was a pleasure! I would do it all again. I had a ball !

TC RM
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You need ten years of data. More data points. You also have to know what happened when. I would say weather could freeze some activity across the spectrum of activities good and evil.

The_Patriot
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the term Polar vortex started this year, it is a load of horse manure. They do not call it the Windy City for nothing. Brutal storms have been ragging since the stats have been taken robberies do not stop because of bad weather, Murders do not stop because of bad weather, drug deals do not stop because of bad weather and when it all goes bad the killings do not stop for the weather.
SO make all the claims you want to pretend to get your point across because it doesn’t hold water.

Rob W
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First of all…DO SOME RESEARCH ON COLD WEATHER vs CRIME STATS. Cold weather deters crime. PERIOD. CC permits werent issued until Mar 1. It was the LAST month of the quarter and many of those permits were NOT for the city. DUH! So you want to use 4 weeks of stats for a 12 week time period? That is plain irresponsible reporting. We had the third coldest winter on record, coldest in 50 years. SO believe what you want in your own little world. I have more people that up voted me because they LIVE here. Also, it is called… Read more »
The_Patriot
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Seems like you are pretty angry, well good for you, I call them the way I see it. You for all your accusations you have no links to support your claim. So do some research yourself. I comprehend very well, however, there is nothing you provide that warrants any comprehension at all. My advice is go see an anger management counselor, You will live longer btw this is what the cops in chicago had to say: [McCarthy was frustrated that the media was giving most of the credit for the murder reduction to the cold weather rather than to his… Read more »
Rob W
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Maybe you need more education. McCarthy is a fool. Lowest murder rate in fifty years? Coldest winter in 50 years? Coincidence? This city is primarily liberal and I DONT agree with it. Keep your head in the sand dipstick. Work on your reading comprehension. I said I believe the crime rate WILL go DOWN. All I am saying is that 4 weeks of data for a 12 week period of time which occurred during the third coldest winter on record CONTRIBUTED to the low crime rate. CC is not the SOLE reason. Gee you’re stupid. Like I said, educate yourself.

The_Patriot
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Maybe you need to get over yourself. That fact that you have to keep calling me names, which is stupid on your part, Does not effect me at all, in fact all it does is make you look immature and foolish. Grow up, then maybe just maybe I will listen to your tomfoolery. Weather has nothing (I know it is hard for you to comprehend what that means) to do with the lower crime rate. Get over it. Drug deals go down and crime still happens no matter what the weather. Drive by’s are the only thing that diminishes in… Read more »
Rob W
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Okay, how bout THIS. How bout YOU explain how the crime rate went DOWN during Jan and Feb when the CC permits were not even issued? Explain that one genius. I’ll wait for your enlightening answer..

The_Patriot
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I did, but since you cannot comprehend the links I gave you, maybe it is time someone held your hand. [McCarthy was frustrated that the media was giving most of the credit for the murder reduction to the cold weather rather than to his policing strategies. The city called a news conference. “We are clearly having an impact on the homicides,” Emanuel told reporters on April 1. He declared that the number of murders in the first quarter of 2013 was lower than in any other first quarter in the past 50 years] So read it and weep. It was… Read more »
Rob W
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The_Patriot
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You know this how? Anyone can say that someone lies. You are not proving anything by your weather links. You make assertions, that you are correct. Hell we could both be wrong and arguing over nothing, but to get to the core of it you need the proper links.
Like, I could say that Rahm is a puppet of bho, but I would not have anything to back up my assertion. Links are key here, proof is everything

Rob W
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I will no longer sink to your level of stupidity. If you cannot see that there were NO CC permits during the first EIGHT weeks of the quarter during which we had the COLDEST weather and you can see NO correlation whatsoever, there will be no way that I can carry on an intelligent conversation with you. I am FOR CC, I am CONSERVATIVE, but I also believe in ACCURATE REPORTING. I believe the crime rate will DROP in the future, but this information is TOO early to make any calls as to say that it was the police and… Read more »
The_Patriot
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you can’t sink to something you are already below. Well if you so believe in accurate reporting stop blowing smoke and come up with links that prove you right. You can’t or you would have done so already. Who are you trying to convince you’re a conservative the world or yourself? You talk like a liberal you attack like a liberal. You have no pertinent facts like a liberal. Where is your proof that there were no CC permits issued for that time frame? Honestly you sound like a bag of hot air. Be a good boy and go do… Read more »
Tim Irving
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I agree completely. It took some time for the residents of Florida to accept what had happened and although we in Wyoming have few problems of the sort that Chicago has we are not melting our guns down or doing buy backs. Chicago numbers with go up and down for some time before things settle, just as in Florida.. What ever the outcome I will stay in Wyoming where we only need a CC license if we leave the state..

Sherill Weber
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I’m not going to go off on you. Because you are totally correct. It’s warmed up here in Chicago now and on the news, at this moment, they are reporting a drive by shooting going on. Mr. West needs to check his figures after summer is over.

Rob W
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Also not on the news, but there was a CC shooting by a citizen over the weekend. The police checked the guy out, he had all the proper documentation and there was not ONE word of it in the news. Here is the link http://bearingarms.com/shots-fired-chicago-cch-permit-holder-becomes-first-to-engage-criminals/

Sherill Weber
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Thanks. No I didn’t hear about that one. Of course why would you,,,they don’t want you to know that. The little “B” were on their feet. How do they protect themselves from the drive by shooters? Everybody carry an AKA47? You would have to arm the little kids because those seem to be the ones getting wounded or killed. We have a useless mayor and governor.

Who Weber
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Ghetto rats dont roam in sub zero temps.

Prototype Atheist
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Exactly. He completely ignores the brutal winter Chicago has had, and chalks it up to conceal & carry, which few people are even permitted for yet.

Prototype Atheist
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Way to jump the gun, West. This winter has been brutal. Anyone with half a brain knows that violent crime rates are higher when the weather is nicer. Let’s see what happens when spring and summer come.

gary foxley
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West didn’t jump the gun. There are 4 seasons every year and the stats start in 1958.
Oooops…sorry. that doesn’t fit your 1 year short sighted lib view.

Prototype Atheist
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Typical anti-intellectual Allan West drone. I live in Chicago. This past winter is the worst I have experienced in my lifetime. We had the second most snowfall ever and it also ranked in the top 3 or 4 coldest winters ever. This clearly has an impact on criminal activity. People simply aren’t out on the streets in these conditions. To claim that the weather had no effect, yet to claim that a concel & carry law that is barely in effect led to such a decrease is dishonest and foolish. If the numbers went down because of conceal & carry,… Read more »
TC RM
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So they allow conceal and carry now in Chicago? That’s awesome. you do know that they can change the methodology of counting the incidents by a simple change in parameters, criteria, or definitions. They need crime rate to go down, all they have to do is dissaggregate the data slightly diferently. They can lie anyway they want and everyone will follow. I have read that crime rate goes up with the weather warms up. Also that more crime happens during the evening than early in the morning. So if you are going to go out and about, do it like… Read more »
Rob W
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Its not a lib view. 3rd coldest winter on record, CC Permits werent issued until the LAST month of the quarter. Even gangbangers dont go outside when its -14 and the wind chill is -38. We in Chicago just had our fist CC citizen shooting, the police found the gun owner had all the proper documentation and was not charged, but you wont see it in the news because THAT doesnt fit the lib agenda.

Saltporkdoc
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Not to mention since guns are so evil and malevolent, SURELY, even if trapped inside (or maybe even because they were trapped inside) with those vicious guns, more people would have accidentally been shot or committed suicide with firearms. These, of course would have been reported by the liberals as ‘gun crimes’ and “homicides” to keep their precious statistics “normal”!

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The_Patriot
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Bull, the winters in Chicago are always brutal so get a grip. If a drug deal goes sour the shootings happen no matter what the weather. The drugged up people need their fix not matter what the weather is. Business does not slow down because of the weather. The stats are from 1958, there is enough evidence to support West’s claims.

Rob W
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Hey dipstick, do your research before you open your pie hole again. There is NOT enough evidence to support his claim. I am all for Carry Conceal. If you dont live here keep your trap shut. This was the THIRD COLDEST on record…Are you always this stupid or is today special?

The_Patriot
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You really need this to get this anger under control, It does not become you for someone who is suppose to be a professional soldier of the 101st Airborne, and just so you know there are links I left you so you can do some reading if you can comprehend it

Rob W
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I am not angry, I detest STUPID people who use 4 weeks of data for a 12 week period. Screw your unbecoming. I am not here to win hearts and minds, I am here to show the truth. Work on your reading comprehension.

Libertologist
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Why is it that when a liberal gets all bent out of shape, they slide right into name calling and ridicule? You have no actual rebuttal other than “whahhh it was cold”; which could have been a factor. But all thinking and reasonable people know correlation does not always mean causation. So I encourage you sir, as a fellow American, read news and statistics from alternative means other than CNN for your personal hypothesis. And please reconsider your use of derogatories.

Rob W
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First of all, you have NO reading comprehension. I AM NOT A LIBERAL. Second, using only 4 weeks of data for a 12 week period SKEWS the result. Third, Instead of using your moms computer to look at porn, I encourage YOU to use it to research how cold weather affects crime.

Saltporkdoc
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Given a choice between a leeching liberal too afraid to take responsibility for his and his family’s safety and relying upon the Nanny State and neighbors for his security to expound the truth versus Lt. Col. West’s statistics and logic,guess which one I’ll side with!
Keep callin’ ’em like they are Col.!

Prototype Atheist
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We know, you guys watch Fox News all day, too. Comforting propaganda is preferable to harsh truths for you guys. It’s the same way you guys take the oil industry’s word on climate change over those pansy liberal scientists, too.

Saltporkdoc
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Harsh truth? While you sat smoking your pipe in your ivory tower, I was trailing the stupid gangbangers in the snow as a cop. And no I DON”T believe in global warming because some discredited weed smoking wavck job (if the shoe fits…) says so. You yourself just said Chicago had its worst and COLDEST winter in 32 years! Think about it, All you idiot liberals do is beg the question!

Reba
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Thank you for your Service.

Prototype Atheist
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Typical anti-intellectual. I’m not in an ivory tower simply because I excelled in academics and have a white collar job. Yes, I am an actual scientist, and you have proven my prediction correct by completely discrediting valid science because it doesn’t align with your political views.

You also apparently think that anyone who isn’t a right-wing extremist smokes weed (I don’t, not that there’s anything wrong with it. I bet you never touch booze…) and is a “whack job”.

This is why you’re an Allen West fan and a conservative.

Saltporkdoc
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No, I’m an Allen West fan because I prefer to follow men of action who put their lives on the line rather than pretend their “science” will somehow save the world.
I also was a Chemical Dependency Counselor and can prove your “there’s anything wong” statement to be fallacious.
I will still believe your suppositions about YOUR correctness to be those of a whack job because, like the proverbial square peg it won’t fit into the round hole of reality.

Prototype Atheist
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“Men of action”? Allen west is a fundamentalist, fascist fool. I clearly pointed out why he is jumping the gun, so to speak, with respect to the impact of C&C on Chicago’s crime rate. It’s way too early to be making any sort of conclusions based on such limited data, ignoring critical variables, and the fact that C&C isn’t even widely in use yet. Like I said, I’m only interested in facts, I don’t care if C&C does reduce the crime rate, I’m all for that. But West is using his political agenda to make false claims. Science is the… Read more »
The_Patriot
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Just because someone doesn’t agree with you makes them a fascist. Honestly there are scientists who get paid by the left to come up with global warming trends. Science is a great tool but it is not the end all answer. You claim West is a charlatan and a fascist, you can try to slander people but honestly you are making yourself irrelevant and look like a fool. What do you have as proof to back up your claims? Probably nothing because all you are doing is flailing your fingers on a keyboard. Grandstanding trying to make yourself seem important.… Read more »
Prototype Atheist
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I agree, just because someone doesn’t agree with me doesn’t make them a fascist. That would be absurd. What makes someone a fascist is their penchant for pseudopatriotism, nationalistic fervor, and reliance upon fundamental Christianity with respect to their political opinions. West fits the bill. Your conspiracy theories about climate scientists are laughable. You actually believe that it is plausible that 97% of scientists in the field have been paid off to invent a problem, but the scientists employed by big oil are the only ones doing valid science? I can’t even fathom the level of stupidity it takes to… Read more »
The_Patriot
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[I agree, just because someone doesn’t agree with me doesn’t make them a fascist. That would be absurd. What makes someone a fascist is their penchant for pseudopatriotism, nationalistic fervor, and reliance upon fundamental Christianity with respect to their political opinions. West fits the bill.] Penchants for anything doesn’t make them fascist either, Nice try.If you are such the scientist, your ability to render someone anything is laughable. You have no valid arguments, all you have are personal opinions. Not very credible either. 97% of scientists say that global warming is real? Yet you don’t have any links to prove… Read more »
Prototype Atheist
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Yeah, actually penchants for fascist principles does indeed make one a fascist. You can argue the term all day, but the unwavering facts are that West supports the intrusion of fundamentalist Christianity into government, espouses American exceptionalism and nationalism, and does not tolerate opposing opinions. Call it what you will. My opinions are supported with facts and logical argument. I don’t hold opinions because I have some agenda, I hold my opinions because I have considered all available evidence and arguments and arrived at a position that I am readily able to defend. You have the entire internet at your… Read more »
Casper1974
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“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.” ~Friedrich Nietzsche I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume that your work as a scientist must not be fulfilling your obvious need for recognition. If it did, you wouldn’t be trolling conservative sites for the sheer pleasure of insulting complete strangers. Or, could it be that a lack of sexual activity is giving rise to your misplaced aggression? Don’t worry – me and all the other Christian conservatives will get together and… Read more »
Prototype Atheist
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Sweet ad hominem, is it usually effective for you? Although your comment isn’t really worthy of an intellectually honest response, I’ll oblige you anyways. I have no need for recognition. I simply have a desire to address poor methodology and bad logic wherever it exists. If you consider attempting to engage in honest debate over topics to be “trolling” simply because I have a different opinion, then that is a sad way to go through life. Sorry, when someone is claiming that the Earth isn’t warming, then they are demonstrably wrong, not just “because I said so”. I’m perfectly fine… Read more »
Casper1974
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I have no problem with you stating an opinion that differs from mine or anyone else’s on this site. What I object to is the way you go about it – calling conservatives “sheep” and the like. Read back over your comments and look at all of the times that you’ve been insulting when there was no need to be……..and then tell me again why you’re not a troll.
BTW – so glad that you and your wife are still sleeping together. Is she an insufferable snob as well?

Prototype Atheist
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It’s not my fault that the vast majority of conservatives are Christians, and even Jesus called his followers sheep. Blame him.

I love that little jab at the end, too. Pot, meet kettle.

The_Patriot
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Again, this is just hot air from you, just an opinion and not a solid one. Yes I would hope that as a Christian and a patriot that he does espouse God in Government. If he didn’t he wouldn’t be a Conservative. If he didn’t believe in American Exceptionalism, He wouldn’t be a Conservative. The fact that you are here shooting your mouth off about how he is a fascist and how you oppose what he stands for is proof that he does Tolerate opposing views. In fact there are many trolls/liberals who come here telling him he sux. which… Read more »
Casper1974
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Read my comment above…..you know you love me. 🙂

The_Patriot
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yep, you rock thank you for your input, it is appreciated.

Prototype Atheist
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“I know your wrong and do not have to prove otherwise”.

Spoken like a true conservative Christofascist and anti-intellectual.

You have no substance. You’re parroting long-debunked right-wing talking points. Yeah, you’re right, 97% of climate scientists are lying so that a couple green energy companies can rip off the government. Makes perfect sense.

You’re right, the debate is non-existent, because you have no valid arguments. The debate has long since been settled. But then again, you probably don’t think evolution if real, either.

The_Patriot
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Spoken like a true liberal, they never can prove anything and just make all kinds of wild claims. I do believe in one thing, you project just like a liberal. You have no points to talk about just parroting MSNBC and CNN, You are a puppet and mimic whatever you saw the night before, you should really try to get a thought of your own together,. A brain is a terrible thing to waste, please seek a knowledgeable person and get help. It’s like you don’t use most of your brain. You have no common sense, no real intellect. You… Read more »
Prototype Atheist
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Yes, facts and logical arguments are the hallmark of most liberals, so thanks for recognizing that. I asked you to specify what you’d like clarification on, and you haven’t told me. I couldn’t possibly parrot MSNBC or CNN because I do not consume them. I don’t get any news from any corporate 24/7 news stations, so there goes that theory. You have now resorted to outlandish accusations and ad hominem argument, the inevitable death throes of an indefensible position. I do not believe there is no God, I reject the claim that a god exists based on the lack of… Read more »
The_Patriot
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Your argument is backwards, Liberals are not given to thinking logically. They never argue with facts. If they have or find facts they twist the words and phrases to arrive at their own agendas. You can disclaim what I have said about your parroting MSNBC and CNN all you want , but it is painfully obvious you do. Look up the definition of a religion. The body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices Look up Evangelism: Evangelism is the preaching of the Christian Gospel or the practice of relaying information about a particular set of… Read more »
Prototype Atheist
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That’s odd, because studies consistently show a positive correlation between higher education, higher IQ, and having liberal views, as well as atheism. Similarly, conservatism and religiosity correlate negatively overall with intelligence (source below). Again, I don’t consume any TV news media, so you can make wild accusations all you wish. These days, the only thing besides sports I have time to watch is Cosmos. I’ll gladly recite passages from that if you’d like. Did you watch my video? I doubt it. Calling atheism a religion is intellectually dishonest and simply an attempt at projecting your need for faith onto others.… Read more »
The_Patriot
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Your studies like you belief in global warming aren’t worth anything. Atheism is a religion unto itself and you can be in denial about it all you want. The only one you are convincing is yourself.
Not only are you religious about your atheism your peers are evangelistic about making sure that crosses of christianity are removed from your sight.
You will of course argue that I am getting it all wrong. That is expected from a person who thinks illogically and can’t argue, because he has no facts.
Have a nice day, I am done with you

Prototype Atheist
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I don’t believe in climate change, I accept that the scientific evidence showing its existence is valid. Funny how you think that peer-reviewed science is invalid, but Mr. West here making wild speculation on crime rates and their correlation to C&C is just the best methodology ever. Again, you can call atheism a religion all you want, it doesn’t make it true. It is actually the antithesis of religion if you look at the dictionary definition. Or, you could also choose to stop remaining willfully ignorant and accept what I told you about it, and posted a quick study to… Read more »
The_Patriot
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Trust you? hardly especially since you offer no proof. I believe in God, you do not and may God have mercy on your soul. Climate changes all the time and you cannot accept that the libs have you all in a lather about it. Fine, if you want run around in denial even though I showed you proof that it is a hoax you go right ahead. You have never shown me proof of any of your silly notions. You dodge and weave and avoid the truth like a lame boxer who just got punched and knocked out. Duh what… Read more »
Prototype Atheist
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You haven’t proven anything. You linked me to one online newspaper article and a blog post. Yeah, that’s all the evidence anyone should need to reject scientific consensus, I mean, it’s obvious… I asked you what you would like proof of, and you have yet to request any sources. As soon as you let me know what is in question, I’ll be happy to track down some supporting evidence. If there’s one thing that is truly detestable about the conservative mindset, it is the penchant for projection. You guys are constantly taking the worst of your qualities and projecting them… Read more »
Casper1974
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YOU’RE accusing someone else of “partisan bickering?” Hello pot – meet kettle!

Prototype Atheist
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These aren’t even partisan issues (or at least they shouldn’t be). I’m not sitting here making stuff up and repeating propaganda because I want to defend my political party (which I don’t have, I’m a progressive independent – like Bernie Sanders). I’m simply stating facts and you perceive that I’m engaging in partisan bickering because you cannot grasp that reality doesn’t have a political bias. This is why we are doomed to a course towards plutocracy – because people cannot grasp that Citizens United and McCutcheon or climate change aren’t partisan issues – they affect all of us. We should… Read more »
Casper1974
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I “perceive” that you’re engaging in partisan bickering because of your condescending statements regarding the “conservative mindset.” I have no problem taking politics out of any situation – in fact, I believe that doing so generally leads to a more productive discussion. But you seemed to be painting all conservatives with the same brush – so who’s being more partisan here?

Prototype Atheist
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I’m simply generalizing. Obviously I understand that not all conservatives hold exactly the same views. I understand that not all conservatives deny climate change or evolution. However, the overwhelming of people who do are conservative, and the GOP has allowed such people to represent them in large numbers. Topics like this shouldn’t be partisan at all. Evolution and climate change are simply scientific facts. They are both happening. Might the theories need a little tweaking? Sure, science is always amenable to new evidence. However, to deny that evolution occurs or that the Earth is warming is to deny reality. However,… Read more »
Prototype Atheist
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Do you live in Chicago? Because I do. Have been here for 32 years, and this is the worst winter in my lifetime.

I don’t have any agenda. If conceal & carry reduced violent crimes, fine. However, it is WAY too early to make that call. Like I said, let’s get some more data and a larger sample size, and actually let people start getting their conceal & carry licenses and then make a judgement. It’s not my liberal agenda trumpeting false conclusions, it’s West right-wing agenda.

Saltporkdoc
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Doesn’t take much or long to get significant change. Since most of the street punks and thugs are pure cowards,as soon as they find out their prey has teeth and talons, the pukes pull their pants up and quit picking on people.

Rob W
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It takes more than a month for the statistics to kick in…Permits werent sent out until March 1st. Its only been 5 weeks

The_Patriot
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So says our new resident expert without a link to support his claim, WTG!

Rob W
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So, if I use your 10 posts here to determine if you are a jerk is okay? YEAH ! I WIN ! Do your own homework, use that computer of yours to find the truth.

Prototype Atheist
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We’ll see, but it is way too early to make such conclusions. Besides, CPD has been making a concerted effort to enforce and patrol on the streets since last year, including massive amounts of officer overtime. That effort is clearly responsible for at least part of this reduction. The weather also played a major role in the first few months of this year. Yes, C&C may have an impact as well, but it is way too early and just premature to be stating that it has caused such a steep decline on its own, or even to determine what contribution… Read more »
TC RM
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I agree with you Prototype Atheist on two counts–conceal and carry and watching the data a bit longer. People make mistakes all the time looking at a few data points. They need to watch the pattern for the past 10 years as well. It might naturally go up and down and up and down. Reminds me of the Climate Change and how human activity has casued all these issues. Then my question would be for them to please explain the ice age to me as it relates to human activitiy on earth. I don’t think humans were alive much less… Read more »
Prototype Atheist
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Yes, sample size bias is poor methodology, not to mention the weather we’ve had, and the fact that C&C is still in its infancy and many people haven’t met the requirements yet. As for climate change, the Earth is warming. That’s undeniable. The only debate would be over whether or not humans are having an impact or additive effect on natural warming. 97% of climatologists who’ve taken a stance on the issue agree that humans are having at least some influence on this warming. That’s not really something to be arguing with. Even IF the human impact was minimal, the… Read more »
The_Patriot
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Statistics are there numbers do not lie. You can claim whatever you want but the truth is there. You don’t want to deal with it, then that’s your choice.

Prototype Atheist
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Data means nothing without context. You have to account for all variables. Ideally, you isolate and control for variables, but in a study like this, it’s not a controlled setting. To discount the impact of the weather is terrible data analysis.

I don’t have any agenda. If C&C reduces the violent crime rate, great, that’s the facts. I’m not protesting that this might be the case, I’m protesting Allen West’s poor judgement in jumping to conclusions to support his political agenda.

TC RM
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I work with stats everyday. And you have to watch the pattern of the data-the trends. It could be going up and down every five years for some unknown reason. You should not go with only two data points. If it is the lowest it has ever been, then I would say there could be somethin to it.

Tim Irving
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By all means, lets. I think you will be surprised, if you think this trend is only temporary.. We’ve seen these improvements in enough places to know the
outcome.

TC RM
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You need at least 10 years of stats–data points to identify any trends or patterns ( at least 10 years). then you have to see if it goes back up or the trend continues to decline. I am all for the second amendment. Every man woman and child should carry in Chicago. It would give the criminals something to think about.

Tim Irving
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Ten years ? That sounds more like a FDA fast track of a new drug. I agree that we need that kind of data to silence the gun grabbers but I doubt that you would be able to hold the status quo for that long. Too many opponents and all with their own agenda. I hope to see the second amendment last that long but not much else. The violence there is so bad that trend lines of a year or two might be enough for justification in maintaining the status quo as it exists now.for long enough for your… Read more »
Prototype Atheist
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I’m not saying that C&C might not have an impact. I’m simply stating that using stats for the past 3 months, the worst winter in 35 years, isn’t wise to be using to jump to conclusions. There’s also the fact that not many people even have C&C yet, they’re still taking the classes, it’s only been 3 months since the law took effect.

Tim Irving
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I’m not arguing with you. I think you’ll see the real numbers over a year from now. As you said CC ‘s are only now being issued.. The Readers Digest did a great job of writing up the results of the Florida shall issue initiative and that’s been such a success that you don’t hear a peep out of anyone wishing to change it. If you want I think you could google the article. In fact I will soon just to add it to my data. We have proven that a armed society is a polite one over and over… Read more »
Reba
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Go Florida!

Tim Irving
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Absolutely.. There are other equally valid places to relocate to of course. I much prefer Wyoming over any other place on earth but winter in Florida or San Antonio appeals..

Sherill Weber
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I think we need to wait until summer is over. It’s been warming up here and the drive by shootings have started up again. Those little “B” have been hiding out because it’s been too cold to come out. The people here in Chicago just recently started getting their permits to carry concealed weapons,,,so can’t believe that made a difference here. He’s talking about the first 3 months here in Chicago of 2014,,,we experienced -14 / -21 weather here. So there is no way Mr. West can judge the drop in gun violence in this city.

Tim Irving
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I think we have a little cart in front of the horse going on as well but I’m also willing to push these rather suspect numbers because i believe that everything possible (legally) needs to be done to continue on this path. Anti gun people aren’t going to let up. I will take a year or more to see real change but it will happen like it has in other places. If you live in Chicago and have a career that will allow you a temporary assignment of six months of so where the gangs aren’t so locked into warfare… Read more »
Sherill Weber
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Thanks. I live in the far Northern suburbs and use to love to go into the city on the weekends. I know where the safe areas are but things are really changing for the worse and I don’t see anybody doing anything about it. The weather is getting nice again and this morning,,,,a drive by shooting with several people injured. It’s crazy.

Rafael X
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And what hapenned to the accidental shootings and suicide?

Marilyn Hamilton
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The criminals all came to Indianapolis! Our murder rate is higher than Chicago now!

Rafael X
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Again the correlation is purely speculative.

Saltporkdoc
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So is the “purely speculative” supposition that suddenly the CPD was able to locate 1300 “illegal” firearms that havd been there all along, or that programs suddenly became effective in keeping punks and thugs off the streets!
If I have to “speculate’, I’ll speculate that Mr Smith, Mr Wesson, Mr Colt, Mr Ruger, Mr Kimber, Mr et. al. had one hello of a lot more to do with the reduction. Unless, of course Chicago has some special difference from all other 49 states and entities allowing CCW…which it may have given its proclivity for vting from the grave!

JDH
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Yes….you can apply now. Problem is that by the time you get through the process, your cost will be $500! Many don’t have that cash available and it’s sad that one has to pay for a natural/God give right to protect themselves or loved ones!

TC RM
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I think they should let the gangs shoot each other all dead. Just let them have at it for a few days. In fact, load them up with all the amunition to kill each other. The last gang member standing can clean up and bury the dead. Innocent people get the hello out of the way. Eventually, the gang breed and mentality will be dead and burried. Tax payers do not have to pay to take care of their butts in jail or give them a trial by jury. Heck the jury of their peers spoke loudly—bam bam bam bam.… Read more »
Andrew
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The problem arises when innocent bystanders, family members, kids etc are gunned down in the process…

Captain America
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The progressive liberal mindset is nothing but a disease. It’s a cancer that has resulted in the deterioration and demasculinization of our country. For all you liberals who want gun control, then I guess when the day comes that you are attacked by a violent criminal, you can hide behind your effeminate president in DC while he protects you with his “phone” and “pen”. As for me, I’ll hide behind the butt of my 12 gauge shotgun to protect my home.

Warren Weber
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Rahmbo doesn’t say a word because it’s not the radical leftist way to do things. He’ll eventually attribute it to George W. Bush being out of office now, but never admit to violating the party line and do something that makes sense.

frankenbiker
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Shock and Awe, guess its true, more guns equals less crime. Stupid liberals. Why is it so hard for them to understand this basic tenant of the gun culture. We’re right, and they’re moronic idiots that drool leftist propaganda fed to them by a muzzie goat fornicating, narcissistic little spoiled brat?
Maybe they just want blacks to continue their violent murderous, rampage through the drug infested ghettos, thus killing each other into extinction. Naaa, that would be racist.

Paul Deckelman
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WHAT COLONEL WEST ACTUALLY SAID was “My assessment is it’s a combination of these positive factors.” In other words, he is NOT attributing the drop in the murder rate solely to the new concealed-carry law in Illinois (as some people on this board seem to believe in attacking him for supposedly “jumping the gun” in publicizing the lower murder rate) and he ALSO acknowledged the assertions of CPD superintendent McCarthy attributing the lower homicide rate to the fact that the police have taken 1,300 illegal guns off the streets so far this year and that better police training and youth… Read more »
Rob W
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I will have to read this again as i did not notice where it was stated that weather was a contributing factor. I agree! Let the citizens arm themselves! A responsible person is a safe person.

disqus_v3SHzvCspj
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It will take an act of Congress to reverse the prohibition on armed military; however your analysis is correct. Officers and senior noncoms only, and they should be required to carry and qualify.

Areminder
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Aren’t ALL military still requred to learn weaponry with their Basic Training? If so, I don’t see what the problem is with them carrying on their bases, ESPECIALLY when so many enemies have declared war on us.

Nanci Alley
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Everyone knows that the only thing that stops the bad guy with guns is the good guys with guns. Willing to stand up to the murdering thugs that have taken over Chicago. The new Chief of Police in Detroit has officially declared that all citizens should open carry guns to prevent them from becoming victims!

Republicans_Sux
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Alan West is a Fraud

The_Patriot
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You are more of a fraud then any fifty of us combined. Fake name fake disguise, Ignorant statement, no facts to back up what you claim. go play in the sandbox little boy.

gun_nut
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This is one of the few times I have to disagree with Mr. West. I have stent a lot of time on bases around America and the world (admittedly much less than Mr. West). I have known many soldiers, sailers, airmen and Marines. They are generally more responsible and law-abiding than the general public. Why do some insist that our fighting men and women cannot be trusted when on base as the general population off base? I say let base commanders have the authority to set the policy for thier post. If they only want officers armed with duty arms,… Read more »
aebe
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Registering for their gun permits . Putting an awful lot of trust in telling the government that you are an armed American citizen .

Validate your 2nd Amendment Rights . Carry !

Bob
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How about your God Given obligation – CARRY & do so IN SEASON and OUT

bob vey
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If they really want to “Crack Down” on “Gun Violence” they should find out where the Gangs have their “Club House” or “Head Quarters” and raid it. I am sure they would find a lot of “Illegal Guns” & Drugs. Then put them away for a Very Long time. But I guess they’re to damn lazy or can’t co-operate with other various Police agencies to get the job done..

Areminder
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Please say Allen West will become Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, when God permits us to clean house in this Government?