Special Operations forces now to focus on “trust”

Thanks to movies like “Lone Survivor” and “Zero Dark Thirty,” America has a greater and fuller appreciation of our elite warriors of US Special Operations Command (USSOCOM). We know they are lethal shadow warriors who carry out dangerous and deadly missions.

But that may be changing.

According to a report from the National Review, there is a new mission statement for the unified Special Operations Forces: to achieve strategic outcomes by working with and through interagency and foreign partners to understand and influence relevant populations.

Say what?

The Special Operations Forces (SOF) Operating Concept captures the essence of the SOF heritage as it could be – as it should be in the year 2020 and beyond. The concept moves beyond the first decade of the 21st Century, when SOF primarily supported large-scale contingency operations by conducting counterterrorism operations to find, capture, or kill our adversaries. Although of great value to the nation, these operations were never intended to be decisive. Operating through the Global SOF Network in support of our Geographic Combatant Commanders (CENTCOM, PACOM, EUCOM, AFRICOM, SOUTHCOM, NORTHCOM) and Chiefs of Mission (State Department, US Embassies).

The National Review reports that at a special Council on Foreign Relations group presentation at the United States Special Operations Command in Tampa, Florida, famed Admiral William H. McRaven started the briefing with the new command motto, “You can’t surge trust.”

I wish I could decipher what all this means but it sure sounds like some political gobbledygook to me. So there you have it — operations to find, capture, and kill our enemies will have lesser value to our nation in the future. And I beg to differ that they are not decisive — killing bad guys is certainly decisive for that designated bad guy.

But now, rather than focusing solely on capturing or killing the bad guys, the new mission is also to shape public opinion.

The SOF Operating Concept includes a goal of “Elevating SOF non-lethal skills to the same level of expertise as lethal skills.” I understand the full compliment of mission sets that our Special Operating Forces train for and deploy to achieve. What I don’t want to see is a paradigm shift that elevates a certain “political” mentality over reality. I’m quite certain I’m not alone in preferring our elite warriors maintain a higher level of lethal capacity and capability than anyone else on the globe.

What’s next? We trade out that venerable 1966 song, “The Ballad of the Green Berets” sung by Army SSG Barry Sadler, for Katy Perry singing “Roar?”

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KHSoldier&Writer
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This is utterly stupid and shows the naive world view of those in power. Diplomats frame public opinion, warriors execute when diplomacy fails.

A Z
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I like how you worded it.

So what was Nuland doing (if anything)?

What was Benghazi?

A Z
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So the state department is now redundant and we can get rid of it?

KHSoldier&Writer
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Diplomacy is not the job of a soldier….so I sincerely hope not!

A Z
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Well if DOD/soldiers are doing diplomacy and the State department is doing war (Benghazi), one of the departments is redundant.

sweetie
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Let’s just keep on “lowering our standards.” Remember, our community leader thinks the “Kumbaya” theory still works.

Brendan
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Winning hearts and minds is not a new concept and it does not take away from our ability to kill bad guys.

Whonose
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Naive concept.

Raoul
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Thank you! Good to see someone gets it.

dave pitts
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whatever happened to the days when I heard this Marine Corps PT song “See the man all dressed in red – with my bullet in his head – sound off………………. The DEMs are trying to turn us into a bunch of wussy’s

del
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The only enemy is time.

brew2@msn.com
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They can trust that the special forces will blast their asses to smithereens.

akatom3565
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They think that some how by bargaining and special treatment they will somehow change their ways and embrace us. This is what happens when the trophies for every crew ends up in charge. Evil exists only because they allow it to!

Russell Trimble
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Oh, I get it now! The terrorists shoot bullets at the troops and our troops yell back at the terrorists saying that I’ll call my president and tell him on you!!

Lloyd Harrower
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the idea with the increase in nonlethal skills is that its harder to get actionable intel from a corpse. or to quote General Forest from way back in the day to get there “firstest with the mostest” so we don’t have to deploy everyone 5-6 times in as many years to get the job done.

300grsmk
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We can get the ‘job done’ by removing these idiotic ROEs.

If Eisenhower had shackled the Normandy invaders with that bull crap, we would still be chasing Nazis around Europe.

Lloyd Harrower
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even in world war two there was an emphasis on taking prisoners and gathering intelligence. contrary to what hollywood likes to spout special forces are not rambo they are skirmishers and scouts first and foremost. only an idiot would say kill everything and then let the big fish walk away because nobody alive knows where they are. as for the restrictive ROE i agree its pathetic that swat teams back home have more freedom of actions than soldiers in a warzone.

Brendan
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You’re comparing conventional warfare to counter insurgency operations.
We are not fighting a war where we are taking ground from standing armies.
Winning the hearts and minds of the local population goes a long way to helping defeat the enemy in a guerrilla war and does not hinder our ability to kill bad guys.

Whonose
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If it goes such a “long way”, why didn’t it work in Viet Nam over two decades?

300grsmk
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I am comparing the mindset of people like Patton and Eisenhower who had no doubt that the lives of Americans were more valuable than the lives of our enemy.

Fear is what islam understands and what they respect. Until they are convinced that there is nothing but total destruction at the end of their jihadi trail, violence and mayhem will continue – and its coming here.

Today’s flag ranked ‘warrior’ would have been shot dead by Patton for being a traitor.

raoul
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Dear Sir, you are correct about Islam and the mindset of our old leaders versus our modern day ones. However, there is a larger context here regarding the article mentioned above. There seems to be a misconception of what SOF actually does in real life, and it goes beyond just killing and capturing.

Google or wiki unconventional warfare and see for yourself.

Best wishes from a fellow conservative.

fight2win
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Special forces (as in green berets) have always used that philosophy in thier tactics. You train the local population to fight your enemies for you. One of the building blocks of that idea is trust. In recent times more and more spec ops units are utilizing that mindset to become even more effective force multipliers. Its a real thing..and it works..so stop with the idiotic political pandering. Any buck private in the army with a basic understanding of special ops can explain that to you.

raoul
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconventional_warfare

Well-said! Thank you for actually understanding.

disqus_mo8ewPYVck
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A Green Beret’s duty is to xkill.. PERIOD!

Brendan
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No, it’s not.

raoul
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Brendan is right. SOF is so much more. Most people get their definition of “Special Operations” from Call of Duty. Army SF, in particular, is about Unconventional Warfare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconventional_warfare

This is very different from just CT.

300grsmk
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Didn’t Hagel just announce that spec ops were the wave of the future, that large standing armies (outside of OFA and DHS) were anachronisms?

Mikasi
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Hagel says what he’s told to say. They all do. Those that are left. And if our enemies have large standing armies? Hagel is dhimmi. That’s why he’s there. DHS? If you mean the Department of “Homeland” Security, I don’t believe that is considered an army but, excuse my laughter, law unenforcement. And what is OFA? Is that Organizing For America?

Moshe Ben Avram
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This is so stupid on so many levels, only a brain dead Lib could have thought of it. I see now that the Pentagon is filled with treasonous bastards that we the people will need to clean out as part of getting back our country.

The_Patriot
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MOSHE! how are you bro

Moshe Ben Avram
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Sorry didn’t get back to you sooner as i had logged off. Doing well and I hope your day( as it’s morning already ) goes well and see you on WZ.

The_Patriot
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Moshe, I do not go there any more be well, be safe and stay vigilant

Moshe Ben Avram
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Sad to hear that but you must have your reasons. Be well yourself and I’ll catch you around. Be safe yourself and watch your back.

The_Patriot
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You know I will

Brendan
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Really? So you don’t think winning the hearts and minds of the local population helps in fighting a counter insurgency?

raoul
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Too many people see (and think) that war, COIN, and CT are simply about killing. There is so much more to SOF than just killing and capturing. That’s okay though, successful SOF operations are NOT meant to be well-publicized 🙂

Moshe Ben Avram
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Not the way the Pentagon wants to do it, and if your an Army Veteran you should know this already or did you sit in the rear with the gear.

raoul
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What do you mean? What does the Pentagon want? And, when you say the “Pentagon”, do you mean, OSD? USD(I)? SOLIC?

Mind you, we are not disagreeing with the notion that this administration is toxic and damaging to US national security. We are merely saying that there is a complete, general public misconception of what SOF actually does in real life.

Moshe Ben Avram
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Number 1 I spent a year in ‘Nam and 8 at Bragg so I know what Special Operations are, and there are no misconceptions Number 2, there is more to SOF then the Green Berets, who are taught to earn our allies trust along with their killing skills. That however doesn’t speak for Rangers, Marine Recon or Navy Seals whose sole job is not depending on the natives or building wells and schools, but total unmitigated warfare.

Brendan
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What is so different about the way the Pentagon is doing it?
Hearts and minds does work in COIN,

Moshe Ben Avram
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Hearts and minds, right. How many Iraqi and Afghani soldiers or policeman have killed American troops after pretending to be on our side? When I was in ‘Nam we had what were known as Kit Carson Scouts. They were NVA and VC that came over to our side and were used against their own people. We didn’t trust them, and you were a fool and dead fool if you did. The problem with the Pentagon is it it full of bean counters and pencil pushers who have no clue what the hell they are doing and or who they are… Read more »
Whonose
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Excellent display of (unfortunately rare) logical reasoning.

Whonose
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In isolated cases, perhaps, but it was an abject failure in Nam and they tried it for two decades.

The_Patriot
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Be nice to the locals so the locals don’t kill you when you back is turned isn’t new. What they really have in mind is, Confuse the enemy to death!

Reba
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Ok, I’m glad I have the whole picture. “What difference does it make,” when “Our Military” is being destroyed from the inside out?

The_Patriot
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exactly, how are you my friend?

Reba
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Tired, but good and how are you doing? I meant to add, if you are Active Duty or Reserve and have another choice, run for your life!

The_Patriot
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Doing okay thanks. More wussifying of our military

Reba
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Everything is scary, but I think “Our Military” is the scariest part of it all. If I had a son and he came home and told me he was joining, I would chain him to his bed, until he understood, “NO” way in hell was he going in.

raoul
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Thank you for getting it. Too many people think that SOF is ONLY about killing and capturing after 13 years of GWOT, and completely forgot that Special Forces is about Unconventional Warfare and not just about Counterterrorism.

Raoul
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Wait! Wait! Wait! LTC West, respectfully, SOF’s primary mission, especially Army SF, since the days of OSS has been Unconventional Warfare (UW), NOT Counterterrorism (CT). CT is the domain of JSOC, not “white SOF”. JSOC’s mission is NOT changing, they will continue to “kill or capture”. UW, on the other hand, is primarily focused on building long-term surrogate networks to subvert, sabotage, among other things. CT is not UW. They are not mutually exclusive, but they are not the same thing. SOF has fought the CT and COIN wars for the last 13 years. Most people have come to think… Read more »
Nomdebull
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Spot on remark. Nothing new here. Since the creation of SOCOM, more SOF have been deployed to more countries supporting Nation Teams with foreign internal defense (FID) and UW training than any of the other very important combat missions of SOF. Every SOCOM commander has tried to highlight the SOF warrior as the “Quiet Professional” in the background, and minimize the “Rambo” image that DA, CT, COIN, and combat UW missions sometimes portray. The alarm does need to sound, however, for the current wholesale degradation of our conventional forces in every service. Don’t worry about SOF–they’ll be there and do… Read more »
Eyeball
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spot on. This article generates sensationalism where none is needed.

Loren Schofield
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The piece was good, just put DA where you had CT, but it was dead on. There is a time and place for both, but in Afghanistan you will never “kill your way to victory”. IMO SF is the only unit that can do both, and know when to do it. Conventional units are to soft, with there attempt at COIN, they think it is building schools and diggng wells. They are seen as week, and the locals will take everything they can get, but you won’t get their support, only disdain. JSOC only uses force, and though effective, make… Read more »
raoul
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Well said, well said!

Loren Schofield
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Dead on. UW by its very nature is working with a host nation force. I would change your verbage though. Most people are referring to DA Direct Action, which is a more specific term for what they are referring to, not CT.

Mikasi
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Right. And we are not at war with islam are we. And Obama’s ROE and “Win hearts and minds” hasn’t gotten anyone killed has it? That hasn’t worked out too well for those unnecessarily dead or maimed including our Canadian ally. As long as our dhimmi leaders insist islam is not at war with us and the rest of the world there will be preventable suffering and loss of morale. As long as war (a VERY serious word) with islam goes on the end goal is to WIN! with as few casualties as possible and do it decisively, we will… Read more »
Raoul
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by the way, I am not disagreeing with your valid points about the larger issues of PC-ism, and Hussein O’s bad policies… I am merely saying that there is a deeper doctrinal point that most people are missing about what SOF is actually for.

Raoul
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Dear Sir; you are missing my point completely. Please take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconventional_warfare SOF, in particular Army SF, was designed from ground-up, since the OSS days of WWII, to build surrogate networks in our “enemy’s backyard”, and then employ them for subversion, sabotage and other unconventional purpose. And, building these networks require building trust with indigenous forces so they can be utilize on our behalf. SOF is not just about killing or capturing. It is okay if you’ve never heard of such success stories because, by definition, unconventional warfare is not supposed to be attributable to those conducting… Read more »
GuardAmerican
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Spec. Op Forces to focus on “non lethal skills”?

I thought that was Amb. Stephens’ job. #Benghazi

brucehall
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Great idea! As soon as Hillary is elected President, she will appoint John Kerry and Al Gore to lecture to the SO forces on how to diplomatically win the hearts and minds of those harboring terrorists by building wind powered manure spreaders.

USN(Ret)
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Shades of South Vietnam and MACV’s efforts to “win the hearts and minds of the people.” (And we know how well that worked,,,,,)

raoul
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With all due respect, Vietnam was a failure at the national policy level, and not a failure of SOF methodology. Influence, PsyOps, UW are all original SF functions since WWii / OSS. SOCOM is simply saying that we need to rebuild some core competencies after 13 years of single-minded focus on CT and Direct Actions.

stlouisix
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What kind of pure unadulterated rot is this latest attempt to neuter our military completely in the face of our enemies, Obama’s friends, arming to the teeth. Any flag officer who would subscribe to this crap should be drummed out of the service. See 3) below. Republicans Say What They’re Running Against, But Not What They’re Running For http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/republicans-say-what-theyre-running-against-not-what-theyre-running —————————- Here’s a plan. 1) Declare all of Obama’s unconstitutional executive orders, legislation, and dictates via government by fiat under force of unjust law null and void via use of executive orders and repeal in recognition that what the diabolic Obama… Read more »
fedup
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Great response, and I agree that the Flag Officers who are coming up with and/or supporting the policies that are crippling our military capabilities are the ones who should be fired. Unfortunately, Obama has been systematically firing or forcing into early retirement Flag Officers who want to maintain our military readiness and refuse to play the role of social engineer. The only ones staying in and moving up to the top are those that have bowed the knee to the emperor. Just look at Ray Ordierno who was a tough Infantryman that once fought for policies that kept our military… Read more »
Carolyn VanZorge
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going forward, only social workers need apply to the special forces

thinkingabovemypaygrade
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thinkingabovemypaygrade

The diplomats…perhaps some other leaders in place at a location…are the ones to “build trust”.

The actual combat forces here (i.e. the special forces) should fight.

raoul
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With all due respect, that’s so adorably wrong.

thinkingabovemypaygrade
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thinkingabovemypaygrade

(here, I’m picturing some US and other Allied troops landing on the Normandy shores…trying to signal the nazis…in the bunkers…on some cliffs…to come and meet and …work things out…)

Patrick Davis
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Fire the feds… Fire her and all the feds, let me tell you why! The whole federal laws should be repealed… Fire them all…. they are treasonous officials. Let me tell you why, many have to read this because, the more that understand this the faster we can fire the feds…. It is treason, the IRS, TSA, Traffic court, etc… It is all treason… let me define it for you…. We don’t want all of them… They are committing treason to the united states, and they all should be fired… Don’t believe read this and let me define it for… Read more »
Tom
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The new special forces the elite of the elite, and now welcome our newest community organizer. That’s right just 6 weeks of special training, and we can make any elite soldier into a community organizer. The next step will be a state senator, then a US senator, and with any luck just maybe president. 🙂

G
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Right on brother! These guys have been fixing somebody else’s village for 13 years. When they get home and find out what’s been going on in our communities and country, watch and see what happens. These guys are going to run the show just like their grandparents did after WWII. Watch and see.

seanachiejimk
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Building Trust? That’s a laughable concept with the Obama Administration! Benghazi is but one disgusting glaring example of the ‘trust’ to never leave an American to die and unspeakable death and doing just that for Political reasons. In Afghanistan we invited the enemy into our camps, armed them to kill our Soldiers. I Thank God my Son got out of the Army before we degenerated into this ‘trust’ lunacy. Our Commander in Chief is a disgrace to our Military and you can trust they know it just by the casualties we’ve taken as a result of Americans being dumb enough… Read more »
raoul
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My gosh! People! Fellow conservatives! That’s not what Admiral McRaven was talking about. He was talking about the trust involved in building surrogate networks in Unconventional Warfare which has been a primary function for special forces since WWii. See the “jedburgh” teams we used in France.

Also, take a look at:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconventional_warfare#/search

LetsJustVoidTheBillOfRights
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LetsJustVoidTheBillOfRights

Sir, I believe you are NOT properly considering the motivations and aims of the Obama administration, Soros and a vast, dark host of deep-deep-pocketed enemies of this country. Back up. Think again. Then visit and post again. Let’s see how yer common sense gland’s a-workin’…………..

Loren Schofield
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I agree that Obama, his administration, and the puppet masters controlling him are out to destroy our country. Everything thet have done is aimed at that agenda.

But this article and the discussions that followed is about our SOF forces. If you want an honest discussion of those people trying to destroy our Special Operations Forces, look no further than the total of don’t ask don’t tell, and allowing women into operational units. That will destroy us faster than the subject of this article. What Mr. West is talking about is actually a good thing.

seanachiejimk
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All things look great on the drawing board, Reality is quite a different matter. We have a President who is doing all he can to destroy our Military & our Country. Perhaps some of things have worked in the past. They WILL NOT work with Radical Muslims whose only goal is to create a Worldwide Caliphate under their brand of treacherous Totalitarian rule. I told my Son before he left for Iraq to never trust any Muslim, Radical or otherwise. They will lie straight to your face while planning your demise. Until that is accepted, as wee see all over… Read more »
Whonose
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Sometimes there’s a huge gap between perception and reality, especially concerning geopolitics where cultural differences can obscure and policy can extend way beyond the point where it’s obviously ineffective. These sorts of programs may work in isolated cases among similar cultures, but it’s a total waste of time, money and manpower when dealing with Islam. Hell, it was a miserable failure in Viet Nam and they had two decades to make it work.

Big Rog
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That is not “exactly” true. The Special Forces A Detachment is a force multiplier. They performed this mission well in the highlands of Viet Nam and again in the early days of Afganistan. We are not talking, necessarily, about a “hearts and minds” campaign. We are taking indigenous persons and turning them into a fighting force. A-Teams have excelled at this mission. They have also worked behind the scenes in many countries training armed forces. That is what they do.

W_R_Monger
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You are operating under the assumption that we have something in common with them. The only thing we do have in common is a war they started with us over 235 years ago. We’ve forgotten that war and it’s connection to this current one they, however, have not. We think in terms of days, weeks, and months while they think in terms of years, decades, and centuries. We have nothing in common and in their eyes we have nothing to offer them. There is no trust building, no common goals. When we envision a world where everyone is unique, has… Read more »
Moshe Ben Avram
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That’s fine if we were only talking about the Green Berets and either the Nungs or the ‘Yards, but we aren’t. Your leaving out Rangers, Marine Recon and Seals, those special operations units whose primary mission is the dealing of death, not digging a well or building a school, all of which can be done after you win the war. And we are at war with Islam whether we like it or not, and it is a war to the death whether you want to see it that way or not. Apparently this administration and the Pentagon it runs has… Read more »
havok88
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Believe it or not, SF wasnt the only SOF deploying before the current war started. The things you are saying the administration is ruining are actually things that they are changing to how they were before the war started. Killing people is just a piece of the puzzle. Seals actually trace their history back to clearing beaches for ships and boats to come in, not fastroping into courtyards of Pakistan. But units adapt in time to what needs to be done.

Moshe Ben Avram
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Next time kindly tell me something I don’t know. I would appreciate it more.

Moshe Ben Avram
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Next time kindly tell me something I don’t know. Thank you.

Loren Schofield
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Well I told you something you didn’t know and i hurt your feelings. You still haven’t responded to my comments.

Moshe Ben Avram
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I have no intention to answer someone who is full of themselves. When you grow up little boy, come back and maybe we’ll talk. Until then run along, your mother is calling.

Moshe Ben Avram
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And what was that pray tell. That your an idiot. You didn’t have to tell me that, your thread spoke for itself.

Moshe Ben Avram
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You only think you did. Must be nice to be a legend in your own mind, and a dipsh*t in reality. Have a nice day moron.

Moshe Ben Avram
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Screw you dipshit. You didn’t tell me a damn thing I didn’t know so go stick your smug head back up your ass.

Loren Schofield
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I’m not a legend, I just have some experience in it. You didn’t like what I had to say, and got pissy with me.

Respond intelligently to my comments and let’s have an adult conversation.

Moshe Ben Avram
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No your right, your not a legend, your a moron and I did get pissy. That’s what you do with moron’s, but I’ll tell you what. You want me to respond to you, you come and make me. Otherwise kiss my backside as I stopped having a conversation with you along time ago, and I really don’t give a crap about your damn experience just like you don’t give a crap about mine. Have a nice day and don’t bother to respond back, troll.

Loren Schofield
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How am I a troll? Trolls usually hide behind the internet with made up names, i didn’t because i Have nothing to hide or anything to be ashamed of. Because I disagree with one article the man wrote my opinion (which many others agreed with ) didn’t count. When I said Recon, isn’t MARSOC that is just a fact. They have different missions. I explained my use of ignorance was not intended to be derogatory and apologized. The debate I think is an important one and would like to continue a dialogue. If you are still upset and don’t want… Read more »
Moshe Ben Avram
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You have the right to your opinion, and the right to disagree. That being said however, when someone tells you to stop pushing you stop, and I don’t like being pushed and your pushy, plain and simple. Sorry, but I don’t want to hear about your experiences as an SOF operator anymore then you want to hear my experiences as a door gunner, so if you served fine. Congrats, welcome home and I’m glad you made it. I served too. So what. Enough is enough. And BTW, it’s not ignorance that’s the problem, it’s distance and time, and if you… Read more »
havok88
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Sorry, I wasnt trying to be rude.

Whonose
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You’re nit picking. Of course there are instances of this sort of thing “working” on the micro level, but if it isn’t a significant factor in achieving success on the macro level, it’s basically worthless. How many isolated tribal cultures exist that have no affinity or allegiance to a central government, no commonality with each other, and are important to achieving the larger goal, especially in the Moslem world? NONE; they’re all Moslems and it makes no difference if they’re Shiite, Sunni or some hybrid in the Moros. Operations such as this serve only to target our little alliance and… Read more »
Rexas
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You know what. I think your exactly right. It’s presented here in the wrong light I do think.

7citizen7
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Our military, and I’m including all branches, are being turned into dancers instead of soldiers!!!!

W_R_Monger
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Nothing wrong with being a dancer if that’s what you do. Our military were supposed to be warriors elite, I don’t know what they are now, targets I’d imagine…

Margo
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Since January, 2009 this administration has been working hard at the destruction of America and her Citizens. Starting with the pussification of the American male (pajama boy), America herself and our Military. In other words he wants ALL real men to be… mom jean wearing, bicycle riding (with a helmet), can’t throw a baseball, can’t shoot a gun, continues to blame Bush, can’t run America, but boy howdy can he RUIN it, can’t balance a budget, can’t obey OUR Constitution or OUR Laws, it’s Bush’s fault, can’t take responsibility for his actions, can’t stop lying, makes illegal Laws – praying… Read more »
W_R_Monger
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Wow! That about sums up berry in one long rambling diatribe. Well done.

You missed a couple like, lets our people die in shiite holes like Benghazi, residential doppelganger, and so on….

Rexas
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We all know what this means. I am just a civie but I know that I am in debt to every single American Soldier for my home and America being Free. This is a dumbing down of our guys to make us less than any other country. Because we are dealing with an Idiot with a “plan” for it. I Hate it.

W_R_Monger
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We are dealing with an idiot lawyer who has a pen and a phone…

LetsJustVoidTheBillOfRights
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LetsJustVoidTheBillOfRights

America is DYING…FAST. Where will we be 3 LONG YEARS From now…? Awaiting the answer, Col.

JimmieMee
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Sadly what this means is that America has become bored living Free….we craving the excitement of fighting once again for our Freedom…we will leave a very exciting times for our children and grandchildren.

Philanthropussy
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West, with all your years in the military , you. ” can’t decipher ” what SOF statement means? Do n’t you still have military contacts who can explain it to you? Are you still in the loop, or is it only for photo ops? Also, if you object to this as ” weakening military strength,” of crosse you object to drones and robots doing our fighting instead of soldiers . It may make troops fat and lazy. Also, you never mentioned how the SOF is going to accomplish their new mission. How exactly does SOF plan on” elevating non lethal… Read more »
Suzanne McKay
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Philanthropussy: Do mankind a favor, and learn to SPELL, USE GOOD GRAMMAR, PUNCTUATION, and SENTENCE STRUCTURE before your embarrass yourself by rambling on and on.

Philanthropussy
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I am not encumbered with structure . Thought is free formed .

Suzanne McKay
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That’s fine . . . as long as you don’t expect ANYONE to take you seriously.

Philanthropussy
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Lots take me seriously .

W_R_Monger
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I don’t…

Philanthropussy
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Then memorize my name and when you see it on other post , simply skip it

W_R_Monger
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Fair enough

MissSterious
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Can you read? It isn’t Col. West who made the statement regarding ” elevating non lethal skills at the same level of expertise as lethal skills.” That was McRaven so why would Allen West be the one to explain it? The military is losing their “Warriors” in droves! Yeah, the ones who have been there and done that. They see the insanity of it. They did not enlist to be social engineers or social workers!

Loren Schofield
Guest

Yes mcraven said it, but LTC West’s analysis is dissapointing in his obvious lack of knowledge in the wide spectrum of SOF missions and capabilitIes. It is obvious that he is a very conventional officer, whose knowledge of Special OperatIons is taken from the glorified movies that Hollywood is putting out.

Philanthropussy
Guest

Yes I read the article. West clearly states he can’t understand the gobbledygook of SOF statement. And, West never mentioned how the SOF was going to accomplish their idea ? As usually, only giving half info, enuff to inflame this audience . Please give me info where you read about warriors leaving the military bec of Obama. I would love to read it. Also, have you heard the phases ” winning their hearts and minds “? That ‘a PR campaign used in the Iraqi war. In 1990. Gran mcChystal used the term on 60 Mins.

seanachiejimk
Guest
I don’t have to read anything about Officers or Enlisted Personnel leaving the Military because of Obama to give you a reference. My Son & I had long discussions on this subject just before the ‘Surge’ was ordered by a dithering Obama in Afghanistan when my Son’s Military stint was near a close. It was his decision and his decision alone to resign his Commission and get out of the Army. Was Obama the primary reason? Judging by our discussions and the input I gave him: I would say the answer is: EMPHATICALLY YES, from my own point of view!… Read more »
Philanthropussy
Guest

You are baseing “service members are leaving on droves ” only on your son reasons for leaving ? One out of 1m? Your son speaks speaks for ALL members? Wow . Your son must be very popular .

seanachiejimk
Guest
READ THIS: I responded to YOUR post. Do you always copy other people’s words to squirm out of your own meaning? ‘Warriors’, Officers, Soldiers, Enlisted Personnel. How the hell do you think they got into the armed forces if they didn’t ‘enlist’? The draft was done away with in the 1970’s. They’re all trained to be warriors or they wouldn’t be members of our Armed Forces. Parroting semantics is an exercise performed by those who have no originality of thought. My Son was and will always be an Officer and a Gentleman. And yes, he was very popular because he… Read more »
Philanthropussy
Guest

What are you taking about? I gave no idea where you are getting the words you think I’d saying.
There are over 1 m in service and some how you know what they are thinking? You must be the Long Island Physic. Get a TV show !
Also, yes I use others words . They said it. Why can’t it remind them of it? Or, people who feel they can comment on a post despite not reading all the others before them , then attacking me for things untrue.
Get over it , cheif

seanachiejimk
Guest
I’ve heard of the Long Island ‘Lolita’ but never the Long Island Psychic. Is she any good or is it just a local thing to do? You got more snark than ya gave out and you’re disgruntled. Oh woe is you. Get used to it if you continue along with with using other people’s words without using quotation marks to denote their particular word or phrase. Simple grammar always suffices when words & phrases get too complicated to comprehend. Be well anyways and tell your Psychic I said hello. I actually prefer Psychos to Psychics; they’re much easier to understand… Read more »
Philanthropussy
Guest

And ? What do you want me to do with your BS comment?

seanachiejimk
Guest
Naturally, give it to your ‘Long Island Psychic’! Maybe he/she will give you the #’s for a winning lottery ticket or predict your future. Stranger things have happened! LOL Cheers! I hope ya win @ both! BTW: Most folks I know from Long Island actually pronounce the words: Lawn Giland! We joke about their accentual dialect all the time. It’s a good thing I don’t hail from Tirty Tird & Turd In Brooklyn, Knaw Yawk Citi. That would be a heck’uve a conversation to follow. Again, be well and you can put my comment(s) in your snark file for future… Read more »
Philanthropussy
Guest

My snark file is full of snark. Your comments are going in my circular file.

seanachiejimk
Guest

At least you’ve admitted you’re a snark. Even a Progressive makes progress once in a blue Moon or two. Congratulations! Your are humorous though!

Philanthropussy
Guest

Thanks, I try to do my best everyday.

Moshe Ben Avram
Guest

“Hearts and minds”. The term was used during the Vietnam War when I was in. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now. If it did, you wouldn’t have Afghani Soldiers and Police killing our Soldiers and you wouldn’t have Karzai wanting us out.

Loren Schofield
Guest

If Special Forces had been allowed to do their job without conventional officers getting in the way it would of worked much better. And when SF did it in Vietnam it worked very well, it was the inability of conventional military to conduct COIN that failed both in Vietnam and Afghanistan. The bond between SF and their Montagnyard’s was incredible, it’s why there is a large Yard population in NC.

Moshe Ben Avram
Guest
But we are not talking about just Special Forces now are we? The thread concerns Special Operating Forces and that includes Rangers, Marine Recon and Seals, and those three specialty units weren’t made to play with the natives but to kill them as the enemy. I brought this up to my Marine Recon brother and he said if he had been told that from now on he was going to be digging wells and building schools and making nice with the natives, he would up and quit. He said his main job was killing plain and simple. That’s what he… Read more »
Loren Schofield
Guest
In Afghanistan you are not right when you say they only respect strength. They also respect courage, honor and above all else tribe. Win the tribe, defeat the enemy in that area, in a nutshell. Jihadists I agree they need to be found and eliminated, but how do you find them, when they are everywhere? 99% of the Taliban will not be leaving the region to come over here and kill Americans. You need to build partnership with multiple countries and train those soldiers to deny jihadists safehavens. And if they show up, there is already a trust and a… Read more »
Loren Schofield
Guest
Well your Recon brother isn’t MARSOC and FYI When MARSOC stood up they were modeled after SF, and originally trained by former SF. They are trying to show their relevance and consider UW as their specialty also. You people who seem to think all SF does is dig wells and build schools and everyone else shoots people in the face continually show your ignorance of not only what SF is and does, but Special Operations in general. There is a reason MARSOC and the seals Have been trying to saying for years that they can do FID and UW. Claiming… Read more »
Loren Schofield
Guest

Moshe, how is it a tantrum? Everything i started is true. What part do you have a problem with?

Moshe Ben Avram
Guest

Nice tantrum Loren. Hope it made you feel better. Don’t bother responding back.

Loren Schofield
Guest

How was it a tantrum? Everything i said was the truth

Moshe Ben Avram
Guest

Whatever.

Loren Schofield
Guest

Very well thought out argument. Please enlighten me how i was wrong.

Moshe Ben Avram
Guest

When you used the word “Ignorant” in your thread is when I stopped responding to you. Have a nice day.

Loren Schofield
Guest
Ignorance was not intended to derogatory and i apologize if you took it that way. Ignorance is simply lack of knowledge or understanding. It was an accurate word with no malice behind it. If I wanted to be mean and hostile i would have said stupid. I did not and have no intention too. That is not how i feel, so i sincerely aplologize. You learn by debate and an open discussion and by accepting that you do not understand some things. There are many people on here who are saying the same things i am saying, and it is… Read more »
Philanthropussy
Guest

Well, Bush liked it do much he brought it back from the dead.

Reba
Guest

Shame on you/!

Philanthropussy
Guest

Reba!!! How are you? Did you get home from work?
My comment was not an insult to Bush. I liked him.

Reba
Guest

Hey Ms. P., how are you doing? No, I’m retired now because of medical, but I have a lot of Medical and Lab appointments this week. Pain in the butt; but then I get a break. I’ve been looking over the posts and man they are some nasty ones. LOL

Philanthropussy
Guest

What I get, I throw back.
I hope the docs don ‘t stick you with needles much. I get blood test every 3 mis and it when the prick my arm. Good to bed , bye

Reba
Guest

Oh boy, that’s not good. I average around 10 tubes every 2
weeks or so. Hope my veins last till I die. LOL Good Nite!

Philanthropussy
Guest

I hope it isn’t serious. I would love to ask you more questions about this but I’m aware we are not alone. I hope there is someone home to take care of you when you don’t feel good. That’s very important.

Moshe Ben Avram
Guest

Doesn’t mean it worked any better for him then it did for Johnson or Nixon.

Philanthropussy
Guest

The Nam vets brought chocolate and VD to Nam. If VD isn ‘t checked it could end up in the hearts and the minds of people . Get it ?

W_R_Monger
Guest

I read MissSterious’ post three times and she did not mention our ” warriors” leaving because of the POTUSINO. You purposely misinterpret, misquot, and misspell to gain a nonexistent edge. Go troll elsewhere.

javanaut
Guest

When we are completely sissified, any other nation can and should invade us and show our women what a real man is. (Kinda paraphrased from Lewis Burwell “Chesty” Puller, Commandant, USMC)

Kyle Sexton
Guest

Mr. West you should know better than anyone, that the policies of the politicians ultimately affect the men on the ground and that is why we have lost certain wars, I.E Korea, we could have won that war, but Truman didn’t have the balls to continue to fight China and defeat both China and the North Koreans, and fired General Macarthur, when we pushed the Koreans all the way back to the frontlines of China’s southern border.

Jango Fett
Guest
Achieving effects (I.e., US strategic and operational goals or a given tactical mission) by operating “by, with and through” indigenous forces is the express reason US Army Special Forces (aka the Green Berets) were created. This is nothing new. In fact, if SOF had been focused on achieve long term effects by executing long term, persistent engagements with partners around the globe since ~1989 we 1) would probably have a lot better intel about what’s happening in the dark corners of the world, 2) would probably have many more partners who trusted us enough (or who we could more effectively… Read more »
Loren Schofield
Guest

Amen, dead on. The unfortunate focus on DA and most people’s ignorance of UW shows not only in LTC West’s commentary, but in the majority of the posts.

Havok88
Guest

Mr west should spend more time learning about SOF mission sets and history and spend less time writing articles about something he is clueless about.

Lewelyn Fidler
Guest

Apparently he little knowledge or played a role in SF. Special Forces gorilla warefsre and education of the locals…..have you seen or looked up the equipment a 12 man squad carries? It is not just flowers they take….

I serve with the 82ND, have trained SF recruits, have trained WITH them. Brothers ARE Special Forces….tell you what, killing is top on the list before “patty-cake” or butter-balling, pandering as to of gaining trust that is refunded the moment back is turned.

Matthew Dec
Guest

I do not agree with what a lot of you people are saying. In defense of Mr. West we have groups of soldiers who aready exist for the purposes of psychological operations; in fact, that is what they are called. Why alter definitions of missions for different groups of SOG?
I don’t know what the Obama Admin. is up to now, but haven’t liked anything that they have done so far.

Havok88
Guest

This would be called going back to their roots. Not altering mission sets. As a matter of fact this is the exact reason SF was created in the first place. So much for trading out “the ballad of the green berets” for some Katy perry song.

Matthew Dec
Guest

As far as US Army special forces, that is true. They were created primarily for insurgency and counter insurgency tactics to be instituted among foreign populaces.
But SEAL, recon, and ranger, were never originated for such purposes any more than the marine corps was created for public relations.
Again, I do not know what the Obama Admin. is up to on this one, but I do know that I do not like anything they have done so far.

Lewelyn Fidler
Guest

You know Dahm well what the Obama Administration is up to! Don’t be a fool!

havok88
Guest

That is correct. I was referring specifically to sf, not all of sof. Although it is still a primary sof mission.

Loren Schofield
Guest

Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean your right. PsOps while technically SOF (not SOG), is not part of this discussion. This has always been a core mission of SF since inception. Yes the last 13 years more focus in certain circles has been DA but SF has still been training and conducting these kinds of missIons, on top of the DA. It’s not altering definitIons, its getting it back to there roots.

Loren Schofield
Guest

If Mr. West wants to write an article about the destruction of SOF, he needs to go no further than allowing women to join. In that article most everyones comments would be dead on about the sissification and systematic destruction of America’s defense.

Sgt Snuffy
Guest

What a load of Bull Crap, the wussification of our armed forces continues at a breath taking pace. You know damn well it ain’t the green suits that are forcing this kinda crap down their throats, it’s a bunch of treasonous civilian slimes hired by Obama and his criminal accomplices.

irish7_1sg
Guest

I LOVE YOUR ICON! For my last few years in the Army, I would frequently play a video “Red, White and Blue”. It was a Trace Adkins song, with photos added from the US Air Force. My favorite image was the eagle sharpening his claws.

irish7_1sg
Guest

Another victim of the Obama Administration, Special Operations Command deflated from killing the enemy, to securing their trust. GOD HELP US!

Lewelyn Fidler
Guest
Earning trust from people who give none!! You donotreply gain trust buy showing up at the party with empty belts of the sort who carry verry heavy. Weapons visable but bolstered With shown capacity to use if comes to it the message is clear as to mouth shut but ears open hands ABOVE the table. Sam Colt”s “six-shoot” made everybody equal, everybody. This is not “going back to the Roots” this is opening all Americans as “targets “….blind and those who “choose ” to be blind are the most idiot fools willing to take down their neighbors with them. READ… Read more »
Reba
Guest

I just hope they don’t forget to not turn their backs.

Loren Schofield
Guest

It is very obvious, if you read not only the comments but the article itself, who has experience within the SOF community and who is just reacting to the normal insanity of this administration.

jack_foobar
Guest

Sounds like Mikey Weinstein wasn’t enough to demoralize the moral in the military. Now the CFR steps in.

Tom Rau
Guest

This statement is not hard to decipher. Weʻre returning to our roots. The original mission of Special Forces was to advise, train, train, and assist indigenous forces in the conduct of unconventional warfare — this included psychological and political warfare. In Viet Nam, Civil Affairs (S-5) continued to be emphasized with Staff at the B, C, and Group levels, and with an additional officer and NCO assigned at the A-Team level. This recent change appears to return Special Operations to their original purpose. Leave the door kicking to others.

Lewelyn Fidler
Guest

Wrong…..

Loren Schofield
Guest

I agree completely except at the end. We are fully capable at not only kicking doors, but teaching indig how to do it too. It falls under UW, it should never be our primary mission, (except certain co’s) But it has to be in the bag of tricks that we can pull from.

Everything else you said is spot on, and it is obvious you know what you are taking about much more than Mr. West does on this subject.

DOL

Reba
Guest

I’m sure I will get a lot of flak from this comment, but here goes: Why don’t a bunch of Special Forces get together and open their own Training Company? That way you can go to different countries, train them and the countries can pay you for the training. That way the taxpayers don’t have to pay for the training of these countries.

al sowins
Guest

Because, Reba, we should NOT be teaching potential enemies how we fight and, ergo, how to fight us.

Reba
Guest

I agree whole hardly with you. I see what has happened to the ones we trained and gave weapons to. It has been a disaster!

al sowins
Guest

Our Special Forces trained the Libyan Special Forces. At their graduation ceremony the Libyans planned to murder our guys; their trainers. We found out about it and got our guys out of there just in time

Reba
Guest
Thank God! I am so glad the Intel was good. It’s happens all the time over there. So why do we keep doing it? It’s awful that Christians are being murdered. It is awful that Israel is being attacked, because they are Jews. I keep hoping Israel will wipe them off the face of this earth. I heard today that ISIS is not far from the Israel border. So Al, tell me what you think we should do. I’m at the point, if we are not going to bomb the hell out of ISIS and be done with it, then… Read more »
al sowins
Guest

Yes on bringing our military home. Until we eliminate Islam we will be continually under attack.

Reba
Guest

Does that mean we will have to put Troops on the ground and keep bombing?

al sowins
Guest

I think it means that we must combine airstrikes, sanctions and psywar to destroy their military capacity, crush their economy and re-educate their members to the evil that is islam and the beauty that is christianity.

Reba
Guest

I agree with the first part, but I sure don’t know how we would ever reeducate them.

al sowins
Guest

Thats the job of our psywar experts. Why don’t you ask Col.West what he recommends?

Reba
Guest
I was thinking something else for the psywar. Well, I use to be for putting ground troops back in to get rid of them. Then the information came out on those that we trained are now using their training to kill and then they would use it against “Our Men and Women”. We should go further on the bombing, but I don’t want ground troops back in. Support Israel and let them get rid of Hamas and ISIS. Bring “Our Troops” back from the Middle East and let them protect “Our Country”. Doubt, this administration will ever agree to that.
al sowins
Guest

Sounds good to me, but Obongo won’t like it.

Havok88
Guest
It sounds like you answered your own question. The tax payers are paying for it because the other countries won’t. So there would be little to no money for a contractor to do it. Maybe in the right countries but I think it would be much more difficult to get into than something like private security. But to answer what I think you were wanting to know, a lot of counties are more interested in what we will give them/pay for than the training we provide. As soon as we leave a country everything will go right back to how… Read more »
Reba
Guest
I just thought it would be a lucrative business for our Soldiers. Why shouldn’t they benefit from the training? I can see what you are saying. Some of these countries have plenty of money and instead of them paying for things, we are. I know and that is one of my biggest pet peeves. We send our soldiers over, they die to help a country and then as soon as we leave, it’s like we were never there. Here is another business: start one that supports “The People of Our Country” and one that the people can trust and go… Read more »
al sowins
Guest

No, we don’t. What we need is just a little common sense. We must not share our military secrets with potential enemies- and that means any and everybody.

Reba
Guest

What an old post! I have decided he is feeding information to the enemy along with the ones in his administration. You know the ones that he has put in head positions in all Departments?

al sowins
Guest

I do. And he both has been and is. He is a suicide bomber of sorts and will do anything to advance the satanist cause of islam and of his hero, mohammed, the well known psychopath.

Reba
Guest

It bears the question, why are he and his administration not being arrested for Treason? It is mind boggling to me that this goes on and on and nothing is being done to stop it.

al sowins
Guest

Yes.Arresting him without starting a civil war between his supporters and the rest of us might not be possible. In such a war what part of our military would fight for him? While we killed each other, would any of our enemies try to take advantage of us or to aid one side or the other? Scary.

Reba
Guest

Well there are more of us then they are of them. Maybe riots, but I believe we have those that know and how to do it. “Our Military”, is the biggest question. I don’t doubt “Our Veterans, the older ones getting out or getting ready to get out”, but I do worry about the young ones. What are your feelings about where they stand?

al sowins
Guest

Awfully anecdotal. I was a paratrooper in the Korean War, then in French Indo China before it became Vietnam. I know only a few Special Ops folks on active duty and they seem to be courageous patriots.If we have a civil war I have no idea how they will divide.

Reba
Guest

I thank you for your service.
A lot of them do not think they will turn on their own. I think they will be some, but I don’t think they will last long when they do. I look at it as the thugs he has brought in, the gangs, and Muslims.

al sowins
Guest

I pray that your estimate is correct.

Lewelyn Fidler
Guest
First and foremost! The Leadership of the nation, what better detorent than of the image projected, Reagan….(tare down this wall) and Gorbachev knew Reagan alone with rest of the country the will and capacity to follow thru. Sadly Putin knows and it is (he) that has the will and capacity, this story further reinforces that concept. Putin is laughing! Obama is shaking and inconceivable he become. No bullets for our guns for flowers substituted! Our military Top Brass replaced with “wimps” cowards! United States of America the Nation that introduced FREEDOM to a laughing stock, dipped and chased to the… Read more »
Reba
Guest

Well said.

Havok88
Guest

They could definitely benefit from it. But many of the people being trained arent willing to put in the work to learn. Plus, a lot of those countries governments can not afford to pay for not only the training we provide, but the equipment and supplies that their military will need to stay operational. Some countries on the other hand may have the money, they just choose to spend it elsewhere.

Reba
Guest

I’ve never been over there Thank God. It is a nightmare to me and I wish we would get out, because of the entire BS that is going on with this administration. It’s a no win situation and until their leaders make a change and the people hold them to it, it will never work. I’m just sick of all the American deaths, but that’s my way of thinking. (PS: I’ve been a Military Brat my whole life).

Lewelyn Fidler
Guest

Then stop being the “Brat” and become informed, study from the inside or learn to look from it

Reba
Guest

What is it you are trying to say? Why would anyone want to be in the desert when this administration has their hands tied from doing their job?

Thomas J Carter, III
Guest

My father sang that song to me when I was a baby. My dad was an early member of 1st SFOD- Delta Force. We lost him in Iraq almost 10 years ago on April 25 2004. Tom Carter, Jr. I am blessed to carry his name as Carter, III. I spent my own time in the 3d Inf Div. But never SOF. God Bless the Shadow Warriors.

aqua
Guest

you read not only the comments but the article itself contoh bisnis rumahan , who has experience within the SOF community and who is just reacting to the normal insanity of this administration.