Surgeon General nominee Murthy thinks guns are a health care issue

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One of the most memorable lines from the movie Forest Gump was “stupid is as stupid does,” a little maxim that seems to apply to the Obama administration. And so it goes –while Obama lost the Senate confirmation for Debo Adegbile, nominated for Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, he has no problem sending up another radical for a different post.

Hat tip to Howard Portnoy at Liberty Unyielding who writes, “President Obama has jumped right back into the fray with another radical nominee, this time for Surgeon General. But what makes Vivek Hallegere Murthy, 36, such a controversial choice for the post is not what you might expect. The problem with Murthy is his position on guns. Namely, he thinks one of the questions doctors should ask patients during a routine medical history is whether the person has any guns in his home.”

Portnoy reports that Murthy is president and co-founder of Doctors for America, an anti-gun group that advocates making gun control a facet of the practice of medicine. He also wants to spend tax dollars on more research to prove that fewer guns mean a lower crime rate – never mind that numerous reputable studies prove the opposite.

Before the 2012 presidential election, Murthy tweeted that “guns are a health care issue” and believes not only should doctors counsel patients against gun ownership, but patients’ private medical records should include gun ownership – which of course would be available to government scrutiny under Obamacare.”

Obama and his radicals just keep coming regardless of the exposure of this insidious agenda. They are relentless and I wish we had the same manner of resolve and aggressiveness in the GOP side on Capitol Hill. Republicans continue to play by self-imposed restrictive rules of engagement that are simply asinine and afford every advantage to these progressive socialists. Why is Murthy being nominated? It’s simple – he’s yet another radical progressive, just like the fella in the White House. Birds of a feather do indeed flock together.

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    • Yes and since they have allowed citizens to open carry crime has gone down!

      Crime rates in Chicago and DC drop after gun control laws are struck down

      From Fox News – what happens to crime rates when gun control laws are repealed? (H/T Reason To Stand)

      Excerpt:

      Murder and violent crime rates were supposed to soar after the Supreme Court struck down gun control laws in Chicago and Washington, D.C.

      Politicians predicted disaster. ”More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence,” Washington’s Mayor Adrian Fenty warned the day the court made its decision.

      Chicago’s Mayor Daley predicted that we would ”go back to the Old West, you have a gun and I have a gun and we’ll settle it in the streets…”

      The New York Times even editorialized this month about the Supreme Court’s “unwise” decision that there is a right for people “to keep guns in the home.”

      But Armageddon never happened. Newly released data for Chicago shows that, as in Washington, murder and gun crime rates didn’t rise after the bans were eliminated — they plummeted. They have fallen much more than the national crime rate.

      Not surprisingly, the national media have been completely silent about this news.

      One can only imagine the coverage if crime rates had risen. In the first six months of this year, there were 14% fewer murders in Chicago compared to the first six months of last year – back when owning handguns was illegal. It was the largest drop in Chicago’s murder rate since the handgun ban went into effect in 1982.

      Meanwhile, the other four most populous cities saw a total drop at the same time of only 6 percent.

      Similarly, in the year after the 2008 “Heller” decision, the murder rate fell two-and-a-half times faster in Washington than in the rest of the country.

      It also fell more than three as fast as in other cities that are close to Washington’s size. And murders in Washington have continued to fall.

      If you compare the first six months of this year to the first six months of 2008, the same time immediately preceding the Supreme Court’s late June “Heller” decision, murders have now fallen by thirty-four percent.

      Gun crimes also fell more than non-gun crimes.

      Robberies with guns fell by 25%, while robberies without guns have fallen by eight percent. Assaults with guns fell by 37%, while assaults without guns fell by 12%.

      Just as with right-to-carry laws, when law-abiding citizens have guns some criminals stop carrying theirs.

      Read the whole thing, there are more lovely facts in there. If you ever need to debate this, I recommend buying these academic studies published by theUniversity of Chicago Press and by Harvard University Press. The former shows how crime rates dropped in the USA when Americans rescinded gun control laws, and the latter shows how crime rates rose in the UK when the British strengthened their gun control laws. Sometimes is good to have the data handy.

  1. FACTS TO PONDER:

    A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

    (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

    (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

    Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Now think about this: Guns:

    (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.

    (Yes, that’s 80 million..)

    (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age
    groups,is 1,500.

    (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is
    .000188.

    Statistics courtesy of FBI So, statistically, doctors are
    approximately

    9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

    Remember, “Guns don’t kill people, doctors do.”

    FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN,BUT

    ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

    Please alert your friends to this

    alarming threat.

    We must ban doctors
    http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/mistakes/common.htm

    The world’s largest army… America ‘s hunters!

    * There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state
    of Wisconsin . Allow me to restate that number.

    * Over the last several months, Wisconsin ‘s hunters became
    *the eighth largest army in the world.

    * More men under arms than in Iran .

    * More than in France and Germany combined.

    * These men deployed to the woods of a single American state
    to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed.

    * That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted
    the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan ‘s 700,000 hunters, all of whom have now
    returned home.

    * Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.

    * The point?

    * America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.

    * Hunting — it’s not just a way to fill the freezer. It’s a matter of national security.

    * That’s why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.!!!!

    http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=142044

    • Good post ! That’s a large amount of inconvenient facts for gun-grabbing Liberal idiots to ignore. You could have written this in crayon for some folks, and they still would not understand what you’re saying.

      • .
        As both an American patriot and a lifelong hunter I applaud your research and and post. I will spread the word to all of my hunting and political contacts. Again thank you for your post.
        .

  2. What is the smallest caliber you trust to protect yourself in the wild?

    A 22 short should do it……..
    My personal favorite defense gun while hiking in the wilderness has always been a Beretta Jetfire in 22 short 4 shot its only 5oz’s, 7oz’s loaded . Over all the years I’ve been hiking I never leave without it in my pocket. Of course we all know too, the
    first rule when hiking in the wilderness is to use the “Buddy System.” For those of you who may be unfamiliar with this, it means you NEVER hike alone. You bring a friend or companion, even an in-law, that way if something happens there is someone to go get help. Everyone would laugh when I showed them my Beretta Jetfire in 22 short, when the subject came up of “what do you use for protection out here?” I would smile and nod.. I remember one time hiking with my brother-in-law in Yellow Stone. Out of nowhere came this huge charging GRIZZLY!!! and man was she mad. We must have been near one of her cubs out in this small medow. Anyway, if I had not had my little
    Jetfire Both of us would have been mauled!! I’m sure I would not be here today!!
    But just one shot to my brother-in-law’s knee cap and I was able to escape by
    just walking at a brisk pace. So. Be Smart, be prepared..plan ahead..

      • The second I heard “InLAW” was a dead give way because you couldn’t stop and angry rabbit ,much less an angry momma bear,Even if you placed the barrel against her head with a 22 short round! lol

  3. If they are going to ask about guns in the home, might as well ask if we own a car, ever sit down, walk across the street, work on a computer, breathe air (and many more ridiculous scenarios). All these things can “affect your health.”

    • They are already asking. I took my daughter for her three year check up last week. Do you own a gun and are there any firearms stored in your home were two of the questions asked on the questionnaire. I answered no to both… whether or not I own a gun doesn’t matter and is none of their business. NC doesn’t require guns to be registered… why would I offer up info to the feds? That would be ignorant.

    • I would ask about his sex life how many partners how many times he/she masterbaited,and a dozen more personal Q&A’s that would make even their momma blush !lol

  4. Has the left lost their minds? Oh wait, they never had one. If my doctor asked me that I would tell “No” and then turn the question around to him and ask him if he had one. It’s none of his damn business if I have one or not. Talk about big brother watching you.

    • Worse than that Mike. The gop is complicit in Ovomit’s crimes by virtue of failing to perform their primary duty which is to defend the Constitution.

  5. Old friends,Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers, and a good portion of those Obama has nominated under his leadership, tell me everything I need to know about this President. I know why I don’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth, I believe he has a radical agenda, and I don’t trust a thing about the man now sitting in the White House. Just another Obama crony nominee trying to mess with the 2nd Amendment.

  6. First of all doctors don’t take the time to read the answers to the questions they ask you so I am not too worried about that. If a doctor asked me if I had a gun, which I do, I would tell him/her it is none of their business. I do not want this guy in the position of surgeon general at all.

    • Give the doctor the Hitlery response to whether you own a gun; What DIFFERENCE does that make? It is YOUR RIGHT to Have and Bare Arms…

  7. A 36 year old Surgeon General? PLEASE spare me. A physician is just learning on his on at that age. Someone with a bit more bonafides is required for my liking.

    • .
      But, but, but, you forget the rest of his qualifications. Be sure to mention that he was head of the doctors for obama campaign. He also is a radical gun hater.

      Now think hard and let us know if you see these past efforts as more of the qualification needed to be our nations Surgeon General?

      After all obama picked him and Harry Reid will instruct his senate to approve him.

      His nomination will be jammed down out throats unless the nation jumps on all of their senators and yells and threatens them to lose their jobs if they go along with yet another of obama’s kill American freedoms.
      .

  8. This is another area in which Sarah Palin called it correctly … soon after her resignation as Alaska Governor.

    On August 1st, 2009 Former Gov Sarah Palin spoke to the NRA in AK, mentioning the Obamacare Bill that was currently being discussed all over America …. predicting during that speech that Obama would somehow try to tie gun-grabbing to his Healthcare Bill.

    Is anyone keeping a count of her predictions, and remarkable prescience/SOUND JUDGEMENT?

    …. then about a week later on Aug 9th 2009, she fired that Death Panels FB missile at the Obamacare Bill, helping to galvanize opposition to it during those rowdy, demanding August townhall meetings ….. will any of us forget those?

    Despite backroom shenanigans and the DEMs *DEEMING their BULLSCHMIDT Bill* (remember they couldn’t risk a HOR/Senate Conference after Scott Brown was elected in Jan 2010, promising to be the 41st Senate vote against cloture on the Conference Bill), this Healthcare TRASH has never been liked or accepted by the American Public …

    … and it is now clinging to the hapless DEMs as a FOUL STENCH …

    • Sarah has been spot on in her predictions and speeches. How dare anyone slander this American patriot!

  9. Here’s the skinny on the very simple reason why it’s important to tie guns to health care. So it goes that guns kill people, just like alcohol and drug abuse kills people, but never mind that alcoholism and addiction are treated as a disease and guns are, well not. The HHS can regulate disease prevention vis a vis reports generated by its research wing, the CDC (notice Murthy wants research to say less legal guns equal less crime). If guns are under the purvey of the HHS and tied to health care (as disease is), then guns can be regulated without Congressional oversight. Simply put, the progressive logic is an end run around the Constitution and the Second Amendment.

    • Good assessment of their plans. Still, nothing can get around the 2nd Amendment unless We the People ALLOW it. So we must act to stop their treason, starting with charging Ovomit with treason then executing him which is the LAW.

  10. We were warned…those who listened. Virtually any aspect of our lives will be tied to government mandated healthcare. Attempts (and successes?) will be made by Liberals to hijack and control our lives, effectively side-stepping the Constitution, Bill of Rights and our way of life.

  11. From a previous post:

    How many of us average American citizens have known other average American citizens who own guns? How many of those guns have ever been used to intentionally shoot someone? I don’t know of anyone who has used their gun to shoot anything other than targets, elk, deer, pheasants, or other game (well, some kids shot their BB guns at a window). I bet the percentage is very tiny. This is not the wild wild west. We do have a problem with criminals, including the ones in our government.

  12. Do we even know for certain this character is even an American born citizen> Does he have ties to radical Muslims or other terrorist groups. Or will this question prompt a call for charges on anyone who asks?

    • He was born in Britain but there are no constitutional requirements for being surgeon general so it doesn’t really matter.

      • Are you dismissing if he has ties to radical Muslims or other terrorist groups that for the surgeon general it doesn’t really matter?

      • Well he’s not a Muslim so I can’t imagine what his ties to radical Muslims might be. Do you think all foreign names sound the same or something?

      • .
        Call it whatever twist you want to give it but this clown was only a MD for eight years in charge of nothing. Much like obama, he has no qualifications for the position.

        Do you think his history of being a large contributor to obama. president and co-founder of Doctors for Obama. this clown tweeted that he thinks guns are healthcare issue?

        And you are defending him.

        Why do you and people like you hate America!
        .

      • I’m defending him against your idiotic accusation that he’s a Muslim terrorist. You’ve got a political objection to him, that’s fine. But you don’t get to make up your own facts, dummy.

      • .
        Why did we know that your twist would be as weak as all of your rants Learn to read you silly child. Here is what I wrote and you twisted. (read above) “… if he has ties to radical Muslims.”
        This testifies to your very very weak acceptance to all that you write. Alinski’s Rules for Radicals to combat truth and facts is not working well for you.

        You are way too easy to beat. Either grow a brain or get lost!

      • Oh I get it! You’re just asking questions. Why not ask if he’s a pedophile, or a drug dealer, or a shape shifting alien? None of those are ridiculous right?

      • This testifies to your very very weak acceptance to all that you write.

        Alinski’s Rules for Radicals to combat truth and facts is not working well for you.

        You are way too easy to beat and a waste of my time. Either grow a brain or get lost!

      • “This testifies to your very very weak acceptance to all that you write.”

        This sentence doesn’t mean anything. I know you think it’s clever but it doesn’t actually make any sense. You should see if Alinsky wrote a book on english grammar.

  13. According to Wiki, Murthy was born in 1976 or 1977. Say wha?? 1976 OR…1977???
    As for his background, he received an MBA from Yale School of Management in 2003, where he was a Paul & Daisy Fellow. Say what?? The late Paul Soros was the brother of none other, obama’s Puppet Meister, George Soros..who by the way, is still alive and running the show.

  14. We have support in the House, and some in the Senate, and there are many Democrats against Obama’s imperial power grab–But if we linger to move along and help them come to focus on the need of the country (instead of the fallen party of the Democrats) they will fall in line again against the American people and the U.S. Constitution. Many people have not read the U.S. Constitution lately, or have been taught it wrongly! There are things we can do. Here is some info:

    Ah, yes. . .about that pesky U.S. Constitution. . .!
    “All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of
    the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of
    Representatives” (U.S. Constitution, Art. I, Sect. 1). This is the power of government–to make
    laws (Fundamentally, all the actions of government necessitate orders, laws.
    The Constitution provides that the President “Faithfully execute the
    laws,” and that includes laws in the military as well—Art. I, Sect. 8). It
    isn’t okay for various government departments to make laws on their own, or for
    a U.S. President to do so independently either! I point out some noteworthy
    facts, in three areas:

    1)OUR COURTS. I believe the Supreme Court has
    recently made a ruling about departments having their own
    “jurisdiction!” This is clearly a violation of the most important
    provision in the U.S. Constitution, and that is the designation of who has the
    power to make laws. Congress has this sole power of “legislation.”
    This provision, which protects our Republic from tyranny, is now being directly
    violated and abused!

    We have the current Executive Branch of our government, and
    the President using illegal and self-contrived powers to make laws, with the
    administration’s various departments also usurping similar activities, making
    their own laws apart from Congress! None of this is in accord with the
    Constitution, nor it is in the interests of the American people, that we allow
    any individual, in any office, to possess the power of legislation, which is
    indeed the power of government itself.

    We do not need to wait for Supreme Court rulings on these
    matters, and should not. The nature of the abuses of power is clear and
    unquestionable and Congress needs to put a stop to it! Congress has the power
    to stop this President! Our
    Constitutional Republic is “Of the people, by the people, and for the
    people,” whether or not the Supreme Court agrees! Indeed, it appears that
    the President has the courts in his own pocket! However, Congress does have the power, not only to remove
    Justices from the Supreme Court but to set up any additional Federal courts it
    deems may be needed to rectify this situation: “and in such . . .courts as
    Congress may from time to time ordain and establish” (U.S. Constitution,
    Art. III, Sect. 1).

    Congress has the power to rein in the Supreme Court whose
    members may not even continue in their offices without the approval of
    Congress: “Judges, both of the Supreme and Inferior courts shall hold
    their offices during good behavior” (Art. III, Sect. 1). Ruling in
    opposition to the Constitution, and allowing departments of the government to
    make their own laws, is not “good behavior!” The U.S. Constitution does contain provision
    for many acts Congress makes apart from any influence or approval of the
    President. One of these powers of Congress is the establishment of new courts
    and indeed no federal court can even exist without the independent permission
    of the U.S. Congress!

    Congress can set up whatever court it deems necessary to prosecute
    this administration and bring it into line with the Constitutional principle of
    creation of laws being the exclusive power of Congress only! Today we have a
    President who is declaring his own laws at whim. He is beginning with things that are approved by some people and
    not by others, but whatever the content of an issue may be is not the point!
    Should the American people be misled into thinking that as long as they may
    approve of something that the President does in content, it doesn’t matter if
    he is becoming a despot and appointing himself to a position of King?! Should
    we sit and watch idly as a diseased camel, seemingly innocently, and supposedly
    harmlessly, points his nose under the tent of government, and inch by inch
    shifts his weight around to wiggle his way to a standing position and claim
    absolute domination?!

    2)INDEPENDENT RESOLUTIONS OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE.
    Houses of Congress (Senate and House) may pass their own Resolutions as to
    their will about anything. Each House of Congress should be expected to act
    according to it’s own stated will in this, and any various matters. Both houses of Congress should be passing
    Resolutions, stating their will and opinion regarding and including, especially
    Obama’s actions to usurp dictatorial power to himself! Such statements can be
    made independently by each House of Congress, or jointly, and should be made
    public with appropriate exposure with public statements to all public medias.

    3)END THE TYRANNY OF THE OFFICE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL OF
    THE UNITED STATES! Currently. the office of the Attorney General of the
    United States has become a tool for usurping the Constitution and aiding an
    imperial President in the use of despotic Executive Orders! Congress needs to
    step forward and stop this! It is time for our Representatives in Washington to
    “Come to the aid of their country,” regardless of any party! The
    preservation of our rule of law, our Constitutional Republic, and the U.S.
    Constitution (Loyally to which all members of Congress take their oaths of
    office.), must always superseded any and all political interests! Congress can
    and should eliminate the office of the Attorney General of the United States!
    Holder has made it into a mockery of justice itself, and this must not stand!
    No more Attorney General of the United States! It makes no sense to allow the
    position of this office to continue when it is simply being used to prop up
    illegal activates of the Executive Branch of our government! The actions of the
    Executive Branch, and specifically the U.S. President, is to “faithfully
    executive the laws.” And, if any kind of other kind of position of federal
    officer, with the office of Attorney General having been eliminated, is needed
    Congress can create this also, and define its duties!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/11/immigration-change-gives-legal-status-to-undocumented-relatives-us-military/

    • Obama being a
      Constitutional professor should know all about these and does. Why is it that he has been allowed to get
      away with all that he has? Are the party
      lines all that matter anymore with our elected officials? He has crossed so many lines that the
      uninformed just go along with it and don’t make the necessary phone calls to
      their Reps in Congress or what……

      • Obama was never a ‘Constitutional professor’. He was ‘hired’ by a university in Chicago to give him some income while he finished writing a book, and all he had to do in return was teach an elementary class or two. His hiring had NOTHING to do with his expertise.

      • Thank you for the enlightenment. I should have know better the believe that he was. And the rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper…….

      • Obama is a complete and utter fraud and liar, hell he is not even an American citizen, he was born in Kenya educated in Indonesia China and came here as a foreign exchange student!

      • Seems like all the democraps believe he is a 100% US citizen. The demoncraps have totally buried all his information so that we cannot review any of it……

      • David, Ovomit is allowed to get away with his crimes because:
        > congress and the judiciary are complicit in his crimes
        > 1/2 the people are on handouts of money stolen from those who work
        > much of the other half has no clue or simply can’t believe just how close we are to losing ALL of our freedom.

        Got to DC May 16 for Operation American Spring. Send a message to government that we won’t tolerate their crimes and send a message to our Military that we WILL stand with them when the time comes.

      • obama was a POT head in college as a foreign exchange student! Do you expect him to remember much? He is a puppet for the demoncraps that are trying to take TOTAL control of the country. Remember “FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT”; that meant not a USA student…

  15. I had to take my Mom to the hospital early this am. I told her if they asked her questions not related to her illness, not to answer them. She was shocked to know that this “question” could soon be at our favorite doctors office. It’s ridiculous !!

  16. If this man is confirmed and requests any information regarding my guns, I will be delighted to describe each one to him as i shove them up his ass and down his throat.

  17. What a complete idiot. He can ask me anything he wants….I will answer what I want to. He’s another of the Obamy group of idiots…..

  18. I use my guns to stock my freezer with high protein, low fat deer and elk meat. Of course their a health care issue, sneak around the back door to control them through obamite care they will be fair game too.

  19. I once had a doctor who knew about at least one of my firearms—he sold it to me. Hell, he knew about all of them as I shot on his private range more than once.

  20. We’re told that it is unfair to denounce all Muslims because of the actions of a few lunatics, yet at the same time, the liberal left finds it acceptable to vilify all gun owners because of the actions of a lunatic few. Do they not see their hypocrisy?

    • Of course they do, but they are clearly above everyone else…..that’s why they know what is best for everyone else. Just ask one and it won’t hesitate to tell so..

  21. It seems to me like the GOP isn’t willing to stand up for us, or for that matter, for themselves. Conservative people need representation! If we can’t count on the GOP to provide it, then who is going to? I appreciate that they are trying to at least exercise a little class-something that is long lost in this administration-but maybe it’s time to rethink the strategy a little bit. Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. The GOP isn’t squeaking and the liberals are. Guess who is getting screwed without the benefit of any lube?

  22. So if this doctor asks if you own a gun, does he refuse treatment or just notifies the authorities.? It is NONE of his business. His job is helping the sick and injured….

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