Political expediency corrupts military justice in Marines’ Taliban incident

More than two years after a group of Marines were filmed urinating on dead Taliban bodies, the incident has caused a firestorm within the Marine Corps.

According to an article written by disabled Vietnam veteran Marine Daniel Cortez in the Stafford County (VA) Sun, the decisions regarding how the Marines should be reprimanded and the extent of their punishment have reverberated through the Corps and threaten to end the career of more than one senior officer.

The story centers around the actions of the commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. James F. Amos, who Cortez feels “has violated the sacred trust of his office and Virginia leathernecks know about it”. I personally know the Commandant and have found him to be an upstanding man when he testified before the House Armed Services Committee, and on occasions when I have seen him at social events, he is a personable leader.

However, what Cortez describes is quite disturbing. After the July 2011 incident, a total of eight Marines were disciplined per regulations of the Uniformed Code for Military Justice. Cortez reports:

Initially that judgment fell to Lt. Gen. Thomas Waldhauser, the convening authority at the time whose job was to dispense justice. But Amos wanted more intensive punishment, and demanded those Marines be “crushed.” According to legal documents, Amos suggested Waldhauser provide harsher discipline by having the Marines face court martials.

Waldhauser was subsequently removed by the Commandant. But there are disturbing allegations that Amos made misleading written responses under oath about his actions to have Waldhauser agree to have the Marines discharged punitively. One of Quantico’s legal officers, Maj. James Weirick, saw this as a clear miscarriage of justice and a violation of Marine’s rights and filed a complaint to the DOD inspector general alleging “unlawful command influence. “ However after filing the report, Weirick was also relieved of his duties and forced to take a mental evaluation.

Cortez sums it up this way,

“These Marines who sadly erred deserved punishment. But that punishment was clearly prejudiced by the overreach of their commandant. Eventually Weirick may be forced to retire and others probably denied reenlistment. Nationally, the Marine Corps’ good name has been tarnished and recruiting may suffer. What parent in their right mind would want to send their sons or daughters to a service commanded by an officer whose actions in the name of political expediency destroy the morale and esprit de corps of America’s premier fighting force?”

For the record, here’s what I told Bill Kristol of the Weekly Standard in January 2012 regarding the appropriate punishment for these Marines:

“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah. All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq? The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter. As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”

Could it be that the undue command influence from Gen. Amos actually emanated from the politically-guided office of the President, the Commander-in-Chief, Barack Obama?

Yes, I do get frustrated with senior officers who are not willing to stand up and take on this president and his destructive social egalitarian and capability-reducing policies that are placing our men and women in uniform at risk.

However, I believe there is something grander at play here.

The real question is, what parent in their right mind would want to send their sons and daughters to serve under the command of Barack Obama? Perhaps, if we had someone in the White House who had served in or alongside the Marines, someone who had served in Afghanistan and Iraq and knew the sting of an AK-47, then perhaps the aforementioned recommendation for punishment would have ended this case – and Cortez would not have had to write his story.

80 COMMENTS

  1. There should be no tolerance for mocking or desecrating the dead. That being said, Sherman ordered confederate prisoners to walk in front of his army when Wheeler mined the roads. Bradley and Patton ordered that German snipers not be taken prisoner in Normandy. If we talk about the WW2 Pacific, one only needs to look at prisoner counts to know what happened there. There are too many accounts here to describe what happens in war especially when blood is up. Curtis Lemay firebombed 100,000 Japanese civilians in Tokyo alone. Nuff said. Reprimand. Apologize to the Corps. Move on. The Marines are not suppose to be creating candy asses.

    • It is total BS to make such a big deal and life changing punishment againgt these men when as I just read above,”war is hell”. And along with that,thank you Joseph,you are exactly right. Build a bridge and get over it!!

      • Semper Fi! Well done at the right time, … considering the other attrocides committed to them by these Muslins! Well done!!!!

  2. When our son was considering following his father into the AF as a S.E.R.E. specialist, we discouraged him and ultimately dissuaded him from that course based entirely on the changes in the military under this president. My fear is that eventually, there will be no conservative, politically educated patriots left in the military. When that happens, we really wont have any hope left to keep our country.

    • Sylvia: If you believe the Bible, read the Book of Revelations. There is a description of the last war that destroys civilization; in it, all the countries fighting the war are described by animals. eg: Russia is a bear. There is NO animal representing America! That’s because America doesn’t exist by the time of the war! We DON’T keep out country! Obama is destroying America, intentionally. He promised his father he would! He is evil incarnate. I truly believe he is Satan’s tool. He is laying the path for the Anti-Christ! God bless you and your family, and all patriotic Americans! Please, if you don’t know the Lord, turn to Him now!

  3. It seems the enemy has the right to desecrate our bible, our flag, our soldiers. Nothing is considered taboo. Just let one American soldier spit on one of them, and it calls for a death sentence. Excuse me Mr. Taliban, would you please stop cutting that marines head off and lay down that knife. yes we are filthy infidel, but could you please put the knife down. Hold on a second Mr. Taliban I have to call my chain of command to get the ok to protect myself. Our nation has become way to tolerant. The only nation to abide by the Geneva convention. It’s time to get back to the basics.

  4. a minor incident blown out of proportions…after Marines are not meant to be Choir boys…in the heat of battle or after all that stress all soldiers will do some strange things…

  5. Sounds like the military I know, you speak up about an injustice pertaining to flag officers and you will suffer regardless the proof. With all the General Officers being fired by obama seems like the Marine Corp CG thought he would grease the skids and stay in favor.

  6. My daughter followed her father into the Army after she graduated from college. It was something she had always wanted to do. After several years she became a Captain and was in line for Major in the Military Police Corps but she talked with her father, who had retired by then, and told him that she wanted to resign her commission. He agreed with her decision and her comment was that many of the officers were becoming officers that she could not respect anymore. Too much political correctness. Her father told her that he had noticed this trend before he retired also. The Army lost a damned fine officer when she departed.

    Now we see how our soldiers are being treated and it makes me ill. I am happy that my daughter decided not to stay and make it her career. She could not have changed the way things were progressing and she made the right decision. Her first thought had always been for the troops that served under her.

  7. All grunts know that Amos Is an Obama plant, dedicated to PC and his political future. He is a disgrace to the Corps and should be court-martialed as a traitor.

  8. Bravo . . .Semper Fi. Too many of our upper echelon leaders put in the time, but failed to put in the duty. Text-book Generals who love their big paychecks and don’t want to lose it. The results are, we now have Generals who will kiss any President’s ass to stay in his good favor. Call it being Political Correct if you want, but there should be a time where they (the Generals) need to step up and say when something is wrong even if the POTUS doesn’t like it. Generals should not be fired without due diligence from their peers. It should NOT be on the sole word of the President. And that from me, a retired E-7 master Sergeant. I can tell the difference between a man who has my back, and a kiss ass.

      • @BenCats1 . . .I’m in total agreement with you . I should have been clearer in my comments about the kiss ass Generals. My negative comments were directed to those still in their positions and do the daily pucker drill towards the White house several times per day . . . just like the muslim “call to Prayer.” I can just bet you that if any of them are asked why they are so damned obedient to this Muslim President that is destroying my country, they’ll all recite and tell you to the old standby BS line about, “It’s the position that I respect, NOT the person who is holding it.” What a cop out. That doesn’t fly in my book. the friggin “Presidential Position” is worthless without someone filling it. You can’t separate the person from the position. The person makes the position. So, I’ll say it again,

        “Generals should not be fired without due diligence from their peers. It should NOT be on the sole word of the President.”

        Bless those that stood up, and dam those who continue to kiss his muslim butt. I would LOVE to see all these Brave Generals that took the bullet get together and have an open discussion on the air about what’s going on in this country and then take decisive action to take back the country. Call it the “AMERICAN SPRING” if you want.

        That’s what I get for typing when I’m so upset. I need a beer. HA HA HA (this ole Sarge is getting fed up dam quick)

    • Tell that to Navy Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette, Army Gen. Carter Ham, & Army Major Gen. Ralph Baker…all relieved from duty, forced into retirement, because they didn’t agree with obama’s handling of Benghazi. Army Major Gen. Ralph Baker believes that obama is purging the military…Petraeus ran into that purge when he stood up about Benghazi.

      Then we can review what retired Navy Capt. Joseph John, and others, have said about 135 senior officers forced to retire, or given bad evaluation reports so that they cannot advance, all of this in obama’s five year reign. Or the changes in the Rules of Engagement that don’t allow any “suppression fire in a landing zone”, so our Seals land like open targets and cannot shoot back. Or the religious prohibitions on chaplains who cannot mention Jesus, God, or anything in the Bible. Or the fact that straights are getting sexual assaulted, not women, the guys. Or that women in the Marine Corp. don’t have to do the pull ups in basic training…it’s a strength exercises. The whole purging thing is destroying trust, cohesion, affecting performance.

      It’s a classic dictator’s tactic. Cleans out the ones who believe in their oath to our Constitution, so obama can put in his toadies loyal only to him. Classic move to cut off any military that might join the populace in a coup. Combine that with obama busily building what amounts to his own private army by excessively arming the IRS & Homeland Security…why else would the non-military cabinets be stockpiling ammo?! Napolitano said it was for “target practice”…..sure, Janet!!

      • This is exactly how I see it and as an Army retiree, it sickens me to see what this administration is doing to our military. It isn’t only Obama, it is his radical advisors and political handlers.

      • Surely alarm bells must be ringing all over America about this man’s agenda ?? Disassemble the military,why would you do that ?To prevent a cohesive fight back when your beloved leader decides that he wont give the country back come the next election.I suggest the military top brass who were “let go” get together & come up with some strategy.
        PS I am English & living in the UK,but I can see where this is going…….

      • archym135, I’m an American, and I’ve been thinking the same thing for a couple of years, at the least. He’s not going to give up his power, especially to Hillary, if she throws her hat in the ring. He’s got it too good….and he is building his own army, stockpiling ammo & guns. Napolitano says it’s for “target training” for Homeland Security & the IRS…then he gives the IRS the obamacare “collection” duties.

        Bob Allen, Clinton started the break down of our military when he wanted our troops to fight under the UN flag & patch in Bosnia. Plus, he cut back the number of our available forces…that’s why Rumsfeld said that we had to use the military that we had, not the military we wished for and/or wanted, after the Congress & BOTH Parties wholeheartedly backed the invasion of Afghanistan. Neither man served, so they don’t respect our military members.

        So much depends on the 2014 elections. But obama is already setting that up…he’s going to back off on the deadline for obamacare until after the election. Then he’ll make sure that the Dems get 120-140% of the votes in their districts. We have to fight this agenda. If the Dems win both houses, or even just still keep the Senate & Reid, we are done as a free country. The RINOS have got to go……..!!!

      • You are all spot on. We MUST take our country back from these far left socialist loving weenies. We have to put candidates in place who can win. My greatest fear is that the Tea Party, Libertarians, Conservative Republicans or whatever group that proposes to be against the Obama/Clinton agenda will not merge together to put the best candidate forward thereby splitting the vote. If this happens, we lose and continue down this path of destruction.

      • Unfortunately the only ones that can hear the alarm bells are the Conservatives. The friggin Liberals either don’t hear the bell ringing, or if they do, they ignore it just like everything else they don’t agree with. Just a bunch of ostriches sticking their heads in the sand. I’m all for an ‘AMERICAN SPRING’ right here in the USA. Can be led by the 200+ Generals that have been fired by this marxist President Obama.

      • @ pen44 . . . .I’m in total agreement with you . I should have been clearer in my comments about the kiss ass Generals. My negative comments were directed to those still in their positions and do the daily pucker drill towards the White house several times per day . . . just like the muslim “call to Prayer.” I can just bet you that if any of them are asked why they are so damned obedient to this Muslim President that is destroying my country, they’ll all recite and tell you to the old standby BS line about, “It’s the position that I respect, NOT the person who is holding it.” What a cop out. That doesn’t fly in my book. the friggin “Presidential Position” is worthless without someone filling it. You can’t separate the person from the position. The person makes the position. So, I’ll say it again, “Generals should not be fired without due diligence from their peers. It should NOT be on the sole word of the President. Bless those that stood up, and dam those who continue to kiss his muslim butt. I would LOVE to see all these Brave Generals that took the bullet get together and have an open discussion on the air about what’s going on in this country and then take decisive action to take back the country. Call it the “AMERICAN SPRING” if you want. that’s what I get for typing when I’m so upset. I need a beer. HA HA HA

      • SYG, I wasn’t disagreeing with you, just adding to your opinion. Most Americans are as DD&B now, as they were during the Clinton years. SocioCommunist dictatorships will demolish & replace a military when they take over….it’s part of the control. We’ve seen it both ways in Egypt: the military assassinated Sadat, a good guy, and overthrew Morsi & the MB, the bad guys. And, remember, it was the regular military in Germany who tried to assassinate Hitler.

      • pen44: Thank you for putting it all together! It’s bone-chilling to read it all together! Troops lyal to BO WILL fire on civilians! This must have started when all those generals and Sheriffs said they would NOT order their troops to fire on civilians! We KNOW the LIAR-n-thief wants to take over – there is a paragraph in the ACA allowing him to change the Constitution so he can try for a third term! How many people know that!?! I read it on a lawyer’s post. He actually read the law! Ovomit really IS a dictator-in-waiting! He even said in his own book that he promised his father he’d destroy America if he ever had the chance!

      • Jody, I’ve been a cynical GDI (God Damned Independent) since my college days in the early 60’s…I’m a war baby, not a flower child/baby boomer. Anyone with eyes&ears knew that this guy was an America hater with a smooth tongue…read his books…he spells it out…look at his first, childhood, mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, a voracious Communist, pornographer & pedophile. When his mother went to Indonesia, she left him with her parents, who were told that Barry was to go to Davis’ house every afternoon. Some say that the grandfather was buddies with Davis. Of course, Wiki and the Obamobots will deny it to the death. His “?father?” was a post-colonial Kenyan Muslim….or the aforementioned Davis. Either way, the “dreams of his father” were about destroying America….period.

      • pen44: I know about the communist background, although BO says it was his grandfather who sent him to an old friend, Frank Marshall Davis, as a mentor. It was in his book – kind of hard to deny after it’s in print! I know he hates America, and his father asked him to promise, if he were ever in the position, that he’d do what he could to destroy America. He also said that was the second time he’d met his father. Imagine making a promise like that to a man you don’t know, and developing the same level of hatred! He’s a sick SOB! IF his mother raised him for a time, how did he get to Kenya, where he claims he met his father the first time? Of course, he’s a pathological LIAR! That is a mental illness: our president is a cocaine-addled, America-hating, gay, mentally ill, Muslim BASTARD! There must be an awful lot of retarded Americans to elect that piece of :poop:!

  9. It’s common sense that to command the military one should have experience serving in the military. No one should be president who has not served or is not the child or parent of a military service member.

  10. There is no doubt in my mind that the Marine Corps Commandant acted on orders from the White House. How utterly disgraceful, that a man who once performed sexual favors on old men for freebase cocaine, is now in charge of our military. Every American that voted for this Marxist Moslem traitor had a hand in the miscarriage of justice on these Marines.

  11. God bless our troops who are serving under such difficult circumstances….I respect young men and women joining the military today in spite of the leadership that now exists….hang in there troops, it can only get better.

    • It dam sure won’t get better as long as Obozo is there Ma’m! He loathes the military with a passion and has fired over 200 top Generals in 5 years, that’s more than have been fired in 50 years, Think about that! Obama is a first class woosy! And probably a gay woosy at that if truth be known!

      • The truth IS known! I saw photos of him in high school, on a Christian website, yet! They were taken by a woman who knew “it” then: he was dressed in a turquoise, sequined outfit like a bathing suit with shoulders, long gloves of the same sleazy material, legs hanging out wide open, platform boots up to his knees

  12. i agree 1000%. god bless our troops. i believe an eye for an eye. they they want to do what they do, the terrorist that is, then we should be able to give it back. why is our people being treated badly by them and our troops can not do it back? fair is fair. and do not even bring up the UN, they have no say so in the matter…..

  13. Yes what these guys did was not nice, but when you are in war and see behavior of your enemies against others..beheading, hearts cut out of living people etc. Your brain does not function the same. Worse things then this happened in Vietnam. Leave these guys alone.

    • TPTB are soooo afraid that this kind of thing might “incite” the Islamists, but what do they think the beheadings, dragging of dead bodies, hangings, burnings, and such, of our people by the Muslims are doing to our guys?! The clips from Mogadishu, Benghazi, et al, sure incited me to be extremely angry…and I’m a 70 year old, Christian woman, who wouldn’t think twice about putting a bullet between the eyes of an islamist if he/she was meaning to do me harm. When someone asks “What would Jesus do?”, remind them that flipping tables and chasing people with a whip IS in the realm of possibilities………..

      • Amen! I feel the same way. As the wife of a former Marine and mother of two former Marines, I am appalled at this injustice. I pray for all our military men and women. They have a tough job to do and our disgusting President has not a clue how to be a leader. He’s a Chicago hoodlum with a weenie mentality. He has fired/retired any commanding officer who won’t do his bidding. God help us all. Political correctness and “progressiveness” (socialism) is killing our way of life as a democracy.

  14. What is the big deal? Our troops did FAR worse against Japanese ww2 AS WELL AS THE VIET CONG IN
    Vietnam. Frankly, I’d promote ’em!

    • Amen!

      I served: USMC 1978-1984 I was told first hand, from senior Staff NCO’s of such stories. “Peace-Time” excursions took US marines to places and we did things that will never be known. War is HELL. Semper Fi !

    • The “big deal” is the political correctness that has begun to suffocate intelligent thought in the world! That, and Ovomit FORCING generals to do his will, AGAINST military law! Barry doesn’t have a clue about battlefield conditions, or war in general; he has NO BUSINESS forcing his will on the general! He is CLUELESS in most things he does, most especially this! He only inserted himself into the situation because it was Muslim bodies being disrespected. He wouldn’t have batted an eye if they were of any other religion! He is one huge HYPOCRITE!

  15. I would definitely NOT let my son join the Marine Corps under this CORRUPT General Amos. The enemy within is far more deceitful when he seeks to corrupt the justice system of this country while lying to your face and calling himself a patriot. They need to fire this General – strip him of his retirement… just as he sought to do of these REAL heroes!

  16. “Perhaps, if we had someone in the White House who had served in or alongside the
    Marines, someone who had served in Afghanistan and Iraq and knew the
    sting of an AK-47, then perhaps the aforementioned recommendation for
    punishment would have ended this case – and Cortez would not have had to
    write his story.”

    I dunno….in our current political system — dominated as it is by lawyers, policy wonk/government official lifers, academics and here and there a few business types, almost none of whom were in the service — there are damn few such individuals as described above. Among major well-known U.S. political figures from either party, I can think of only one who immediately comes to mind. . . .

  17. I guess it is better to piss on them . Instead of cutting off their head and putting them on poles . That is what I would have done ,to send them a warning .

  18. Obama just wants the military and reserves discredited and if he could get away with it Disbanded. THen therte would be nothing to stop him Suspending the constitution and unleashing Homeland security, to enforce his will.

  19. Well Said, Colonel. An article 15 an apology, and an Official reprimand would be sufficient. Nobody made any complaints back in 1980 when the Iranians burned and dragged the dead bodies of our rescue mission around; or as you mentioned, most recent years; Mogadishu and Fallujah. We who have been there know that : War is HELL, and sometimes, things like this incident, are done out of the mix of emotions, felt by the individuals, stirred in the aftermath of a battle. For those who do not know, in a conflict, the adrenaline peaks so high, and all emotions scramble through the brain, and the fear and anger overwhelm. A release is needed at some time or another, otherwise, one looses it completely. It was wrong of my fellow Marines to put this to the public. However; ask a few Vietnam Vets about some of the things that were done back when, to release the tension after a conflict/battle. We used to have a Motto, in the Corps: Kill Them All and let God sort them out.

    Semper Fi !

  20. I do not know about any of you, but being a veteran, and having kept in contact with most of my unit; many of our son’s are serving now. We trade letter mail often, with our son’s, who are in the midst of the battlefield at present. We here about their “RULES of ENGAGEMENT” and the Conditions as to how they are to conduct themselves. It’s like they are being told to act like Boy Scouts in a WAR zone.

    Perhaps some of you “MODERN DAY” civilians should become a pen-pal, and write letters to some of these kids’ who are in Harms Way. Out!

  21. Goes
    beyond just the corruption of justice – someone should be investigating
    how they tampered with the retirement/deers system on one of these guys
    to arbitrarily delete his medical retirement without orders – which
    stopped all his healthcare for several months (active and retiree). I
    did not think anyone was legally allowed to just go into these systems
    and hit the delete key or edit key without official orders? This guy was severely wounded – Purple Heart…
    a few seconds ago · Like

    • cl…Hill&Bill are definitely not friendly to our military. Bill messed with the military during his admin, putting our people under the UN flag in Bosnia, cutting their budget & numbers, the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” crap pile. We may fight along side other nations, but we fight under our own flag, only…and the DA,DT was just the set up for this latest fiasco with openly gays. And you can bet Hill will finish the job if she gets elected, FemiNazi that she is. Far left Regressive Liberals don’t like having a strong military…..coups happen when there’s a strong military!!

  22. I want them to do a records request on what Hillary Clinton probably sent over to this weenie General Amos on destroying these boys – and make those documents public. You know she went after them – you could tell it in her public speech siding with the taliban over these boys when the press hit originally. A SMART republican group would be making these requests now.

  23. LTC West gets it right again. Gen. George Patton, “No one ever won a war by dying for their country. You win a war by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his.” Any time a senior commander who is NOT the convening court martial authority, or the individual’s immediate Commanding Officer inserts themselves into influencing the outcome of an Article 15, or Court Martial proceeding is guilty of “Undue Command Influence”. The individual’s immediate Commander is the one who has UCMJ authority under Title 10, USC. Not some remote senior officer who is not on the scene. I would make the case that the Ft. Hood Shooter’s case was screwed with by Commander in Chief Obama by inserting the Justice Department and high ranking officers into the process.

    • Got that right, buckeyebubba!! And, obama got involved to make sure the Muslim killer wasn’t convicted of a terrorist-hate crime..workplace violence is BS!! ALL Muslim terrorist attacks should be referred to as definite hate crimes, btw. If there’s a black or Muslim involved, you can bet that our Collaborator-in-Chief will inject himself into it in the worst, most divisive way possible!!

  24. As a veteran with a son who fought in Iraq, I totally agree with Col. West. Non judicial punishment was all that was required. I feel for our people who have a community organizer for a commander in chief. His job skills would be more suited to organizing a block party or perhaps a Tupperware party.

    • Hey no. A question; YOU SAY you are “a historian of military crime”, have you ever served? If you did, what branch and were you in any fire fights?

      • It’s possible, Scott, that “No way out”, is a Liberal whose idea of being a “historian of military crime” consists of rewriting what actually occurred on scene. Either that or he’s making (or trying for) a bit of sarcasm regarding Col. West being a “military crime” who’s actions warrant a “chapter of his own”. Hard to tell. I’m thinking it’s the latter of the two from his last comment.
        Regardless of his intent/purpose, I say to those whose Marines whose lives were turned upside down by their own: Semper Fi!

  25. There’s a reason the slogan goes “If it positively, absolutely must be destroyed overnight…..call the Marines.” God Bless you Col. West. I told my wife when Col. North was under fire that I would walk through the gates of hell if he was leading the column. I feel the same way about you. Keep up the good fight and know that this is one American working with you.

  26. GOD BLESS COL. ALLEN WEST . AND MAY EVERY MUSLIM THAT DIES SUFFER EXTREME MISERY WHILE DYING . THEY ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS AND THE ANIMAL KINGDOM IS OUT OF THEIR REACH AS WELL .

  27. During the savage fighting of the World War II island hopping campaigns, during down time, the Marines were known to play soccer with an enemy skull.

  28. The bold, pseudo patriots that litter this site are the bane of this great country. You’re few in numbers and that’s a good thing for America.

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