Video: MSNBC misuses scripture to attack Christmas trees and Sarah Palin (of course)

Hat tip to local South Florida BizPax review and friend Michael Dorstewitz for reporting on this doozy. While substituting for Ed Schultz on The Ed Show, host Joy Reid attacked former Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin for displaying a Christmas tree while discussing the holiday’s Christian origins. Got that?

To supposedly prove her point, Reid then quoted Jeremiah 10:10:

For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a scare crow in a cucumber field, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good.

Reid then says: “Now, a Christmas purist wouldn’t want to stray from the Bible on Christmas, would she? If Sarah Palin wants us to believe there’s only one true meaning of Christmas, she can keep on pretending.”

Aside from convoluted reasoning, there’s another glaring problem with Reid’s example. It was from the Old Testament. Jeremiah was an Old Testament prophet referring to idol worship at a time before Jesus Christ came into the world.

Being a Christian is based upon acceptance of Christ’s teachings and accepting Him into your heart. Christ came into the world to offer Himself as a sacrifice for all mankind, “the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.” Christmas trees are related to the holiday celebration of this season and the secular remembrance of old St. Nicholas.

It’s obvious that Ms. Reid, in a typical liberal progressive attempt to denigrate Gov. Palin at any possible opportunity, is terribly mislead, uninformed, and sadly misguided in her assertion — but then again that seems to be the modus operandi at MSNBC.

Christmas morning here in Steamboat Springs we gathered as a family and read Bible scripture from a daily devotional, “Jesus Calling, Enjoying Peace in His Presence” by Sarah Young, that articulated the meaning of Christmas — Jesus sacrificing the riches of Heaven to become poor in order to enrich our lives. As I read the devotional and my wife and daughters read the accompanying four verses of scripture, there was a small Christmas tree behind us.

Today is our last full day out here in the winter wonderland of Steamboat Springs Colorado. And Ms. Reid, the Christmas decorations and lights on the snow-covered pine trees where we’re staying have been spectacular. It creates a splendid ambience and last night, combined with the Friday night ski slope lights off Mt Werner was truly memorable.

If I may make a recommendation to the producers at MSNBC and Ms Reid: stay away from commentating on topics you don’t comprehend — that probably means just discussing things like American Idol, The Voice, or other very simple reality TV shows — even the weather is probably too complex. We know progressive socialists and secular humanists like you despise those of us who have embraced a Judeo-Christian faith but try not to embarrass yourselves.

So my friends, what topics do you suggest MSNBC covers where their hosts can display some basic competence?


    • I would modify that…. the real ignorance are with those called the “Statists”. They are in both the Left and Right wing parties.

      These are the people who will protect their gravy train at all costs. When Newt Gingrich was so successful with reforms and balance budgets, he nearly cut off that gravy train. Their response? They created some media firestorm and ran him out of office. Now they are trying to do the same to Ted Cruz. Its not just the Left wing either… some Right wing also. These are the Statists who want to keep the gravy train going and continue fattening their wallets at the expense of the American taxpayers.

      • I believe you’re absolutely correct. It is not just the Dumocrits, The GOP has been infiltrated by a large number of RINOs from the left. The GOP has turned into the GOUP, the Government of Useless People, where common sense and spunk are vanishing traits. IMO the TEA group came in and tried to guide them with some decent and workable ideas, but found that trying to guide the GOUP was like herding cats since there were so many DINOs embedded in the party, so now the party is split and out of focus. A split party is a losing party.

        Until the core conservatives come together again, remove the DINOs, and marshal their forces, they will continue to lose to the DNC because they don’t know how to ‘street fight’ as dirty as the Marxist trained Dumocrits do. Many in the DNC were trained by the Teamsters Union, which is known for their violence and rough coercive tactics, and the SEIU, which is known for their political corruption.

        Nice guys finish last, and the spineless GOUP seems to be getting nicer all the time. Maybe what’s left of the GOP+TEA should plant some DINOs into the DNC garden of evil. Although there are a dwindling few ‘old school’ GOPs left, about the only difference between the GOP and the DNC now IS the TEA group.

        A third party? I don’t think that will work as that’s about what we have now with the split GOUP. All the splinter parties should join forces and make one big, tough Constitutional Republic type party, and either get rid of the GOUP, rebuild the GOP, or take on a new name, but I think a cohesive conservative effort is what it is going to take to recover our country.

  1. I wrote a post on this issue, “Verses 8 and 9 speak of “worthless wooden idols” on which workmen place hammered silver and gold, and rich apparel. When we consider that these verses condemn idolatry, we can understand what Jeremiah meant when he said “the customs of the peoples are worthless” in verse 3. No wonder he tells us not to “learn the way of the nations” in verse 2.”

  2. Actually, they were quoting Jeremiah 10:2-5, not 10 – but besides that, the true meaning of Christmas is of course our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Trees and such are traditions, and this reporter is trying to intertwine the two. She should try actually reading the Bible – it might help her understand what the true meaning is!

    • I agree with you Dean…..while the news host did mention that many different people have different traditions when celebrating Christmas, the meaning of Christmas is still the same…..celebrating the birth of Christ our Savor! The tree is a tradition that not all use.

  3. You have to ask yourself if there are any bright crayons in her box? Why do they want to continue to attack Christians and Christian beliefs? It is beyond my comprehension. I’ll bet you a dollar this old bag has a Christmas tree at home…..

  4. Typical worthless reporting by that so-called news channel. They’re so interested with distorting anything about her (or any conservative) that they resort to this garbage.

  5. Haven’t we learned that MSNBC is not a news organization already? This is the vapid crap that they have to drudge up to fill air space. Sarah Palin sitting in front of a Christmas tree is “news” to MSNBC, this buffoon of a host concocted this convoluted inane drivel around…Sarah Palin…and…her Christmas tree…boy that’s great investigative journalism there! Then some intern googled a few bible quotes in a feeble attempt at making this buffoon seem like an authority on scripture…but when Sarah Palin is your sole source of commentary it means that your network and your life are in a sad state of affairs…real sad.

    • I guess you must be a Foxnews enthusiast. While this may be unnews worthy and an attempt at political correctness,to make misguided and incorrect point about the meaning of Christmas, MSNBC hosts at least research facts about real stories(which this isn’t) instead of making up facts about current events and real news from Foxnews.

      • I guess you must be a PMSNBC enthusiast and like all liberals cant separate news from opinion, or a journalist from a commentator. You can do all the research you want, its still opinion.

      • Fox has more facts than any other MSM network, even with the propaganda and lies. MSDNC exists in a literal bubble. Ask Glenn Greenwald

      • So explain, as it s in the news, why liberal talk radio shows in most major cities is being replaced by right wing/Fox news radio and conservative shows? Left wing liberalism, thanks to Obumma is on its way out. You dimwits had a chance to drive the car, now get back in the rear seat and shut up with your ridiculous/non factual claims! The let is a dying breed!

      • It is not an attempt at political correctness, this is just another familiar episode in the tragic life of MSNBC. There was nothing correct about what this host said, it was an attempt at yet again offending the sensibilities of conservatives and Christians by gleefully “dismantaling” Sarah Palin and her attachment to her Christmas tree as if it was providing this eye-opening expose on Christianity. If by Fox News enthusiast you mean, I have a preference for news based on reality, you’d be correct.

  6. “…even the weather is probably too complex.” Of course it is! These people blame George Bush for a hurricane and think tornados prove SUVs cause global warming!

  7. The bigger picture here is not about an attack on Sarah Palin (and, by association, the entire Right), nor is it even the mis-use of Scripture and the bigotry against Christmas. What’s really at the center of this piece is how incredibly SMALL and PETTY this “news reporter’s” commentary really is. And that sums up the problem of the Left: their pettiness, banality, absurdity, irrationality, weak intellectualism, small-mindedness, and complete lack of vision and imagination. The Left is a joke, a bunch of clowns, people to be mocked and laughed at. They don’t deserve anything more. Certainly, above all, they don’t deserve to be treated seriously.

    • Unfortunately we have to treat them seriously because all the freeloaders listen to them, there are a very great number of them, and they vote for a living. In order to combat socialism, communism, Marxism, and whatever-ism, we have to listen in order to counteract their agitprop and other drivel. Otherwise, we will be unprepared to respond more than we already are. So pay attention so you will know how to counter all their miserable claims and lies when some sheeple hurls one into your ear. Don’t just stand there and stutter, be prepared to teach!

  8. Stick to campy topics, like you’re good at, and leave the religious topics to the Christians, who have been saved, and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, to understand scripture/

    • Considering who owns MSNBC, that is the only way they can hold onto their jobs. Having held a job there, the only recommendation they would have to transfer to Fox or some serious online employer would be the fact that were fired from MSNBC for cause.

  9. Now that the text of the bible is searchable, it can be quoted out of context more perniciously and egregiously than ever before. In the case of MSimbecile, more stupidly.

  10. That’s Jeremiah 10:3-5, not 10:10. Not a biblical scholar or anything, but just looked at the Bible app on my iPhone to see what the context of the passage was.

  11. I watched this episode on MSNBC, (I’m an advocate of Sun Tzu’s Art of War) and looked up the Chap./verse.
    I new it was from the Old Testament and its premise was based on worshiping false gods. I’m sure Ms Reid is a very educated indivduaI but I can’t see how Ms Reid can confuse the Old Testament scripture verse that obviously discribes idol worship and comparing that and the adornment of lights on a Christmas tree.
    Sing, “Oh, Christmas Tree”, is hardly idol worshiping.

  12. Joy Reid – What a useless, demented and sick, twisted waste of space and air that spews no less than putrid garbage from her putrid sewer of a mouth – just like her idol Obama (aka “Bath House Barry” Soetoro, aka Harrison J. Bounel, aka Frank Marshall Davis, Jr.).
    Nuf’ said…

      • IMO. The White House has a big Christmas tree on the grounds, and who knows how many inside. They are all for show and decorated profusely using taxpayer funding.

        Obama (Barry Soetero or whoever else he has claimed to be off and on) has to have these Christmas trees in order to foster his image of being a Christian even though he is a Muslim. The Muslims would have punished him severely, or even terminated him, if they thought that he had become an infidel if it wasn’t that they knew he was prevaricating about being a Christian. It is permissible for him, as a Muslim, to lie about things like this in order to further his Muslim cause, except to another Muslim. Therefore, since there was no punishment, the Muslims obviously knew he lied about it to all the infidels in order to promote his Muslim cause.

        As a community agitator, he is very adept at spreading his agitprop, and I’ll also admit that he is a very convincing and proficient liar! Examples of this include hiding his personal, school, and legal documents including his birth certificate, in order to get elected in the first place, and covering his acts with lies.

  13. If memory serves, the first Christmas tree was set up and decorated by one Martin Luther back in the 16th century. Is Ms. Reid going to now tell us he was not a “Christmas purist”? It’s a good thing this was on MSLSD and not where anyone would have actually seen it…

  14. Isn’t this the same news media who wanted an investigation on why Fox News outnumbered them in the ratings? They don’t need an investigation,,,,all they have to do is listening to their own reporting and they’ll know why. After watching this clip I would have to say the “Left” is running a little scared of Sarah Palin. Wonder if Joy Reid’s “followers” got after her for her one BIG mistake in that reporting? After all she called it a “Christmas Tree” and not a “Holiday Tree”. You know they don’t like to call the tree a “Christmas Tree”. My question is does anybody even take them serious anymore? They seemed to have hired a bunch of comedian wannabes.

  15. this is Jeremiah 10:10 KJV But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation……….who’s Bible was she reading?

    • It was a typo. If you notice in the article they put Jeremiah 10: 10:

      She is quoting from verse 1-5 were it says:

      Jeremiah 10:1-5 CJB(Complete Jewish Bible)
      Hear the word Adonai speaks to you,
      house of Isra’el!
      Here is what Adonai says:
      “Don’t learn the way of the Goyim,
      don’t be frightened by astrological signs,
      even if the Goyim are afraid of them;
      for the customs of the peoples are nothing.
      They cut down a tree in the forest;
      a craftsman works it with his axe;
      they deck it with silver and gold.
      They fix it with hammer and nails,
      so that it won’t move.
      Like a scarecrow in a cucumber patch,
      it cannot speak.
      It has to be carried,
      because it cannot walk.
      Do not be afraid of it —
      it can do nothing bad;
      likewise it is unable
      to do anything good!”

      • Wow, just watched the video… shame on her… she did say Jeremiah 10:10! smh If you are gonna quote the bible then you do need to quote it correctly with the correct reference

      • was no misprint, she actually said 10:10. You are correct with 1-5.
        “Do not be afraid of it
        it can do nothing bad;
        likewise is is unable
        to do anything good!”
        Just enjoy your artistry.

      • my middle name is star lol, i was going to use that name but it was taken, maybe by you…happy new year

  16. I love that little overlay. “Lean Forward”.
    I never thought much about the word “forward” before but I have learned to loath it.
    It once stood for progress but it now stands for “The end of the Republic” which I cannot abide.

  17. They have had free medical, food stamps (over $200.00 per person in their pad), bridge cards and they still hate white Americans, Oh and free housing to burn down when they feel wronged or they are not getting enough. Should go to other countries and denigrate them and see what happens. I have friends and family that are black americans. I am mixed. Went to school studied and passed. Put up with bimbos like her spouting their superiorty spews and that is what an insecure bigot does. The liberals have no idea how much they show their insecurity by wanting every one else to fit their mold. Personally I enjoy people who are different. This would be a boring eccsistance with out different people. They should rally get over them selves and quit spewing their hate.

  18. If the devil himself will miss use scripture and try to temp Jesus in his face, Isnt it clear that the morally corrupt ideological secularist “Journalists” at MSNBC will do the same to everybody within ear shot? Woe to them!

  19. Thank God for men like Allen West who is one smart dud. Where did MSNBC find this crazy black woman that does not know nor has she ever read the bible.

  20. It’s odd that she would take a verse like this to attack CHRISTmas when she doubtless rejects all the Old Testament Scripture condemning homosexuality and abortion.

  21. Crystal Delarm is correct, the verse quoted is mis-placed. Instead of Jer 10:10, it is Jer 10: 3-5. But Ms. Reid is also incorrect in mis-interpreting the use of Christmas trees as idolatry in the Jeremiah sense. If we actually treated Christmas trees as idols to worship in place of God, would we be taking them down after Christmas and throwing them out or storing them in an unseen place? Of course not. We would keep them up to idolize throughout the year. No, trees are simply decorative symbols to mark a joyous holiday; nothing more.

  22. The key to understanding this verse is “…and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.” Isn’t this section of scripture merely describing the process of how the craftsmen produced idols?? They took the wood and carved it into the shape of an animal, human, or chimera, decorated it with gold and silver, and then worshiped it.

  23. secular remembrance of old St. Nicholas?! Speak for yourself! In our Orthodox church, we celebrate St. Nicholas of Myra every December!!!

  24. Another dumber than dumb attack, masked as a “report”, by the Network of malicious dumbbells. How many of these attack dogs do they employ?

  25. Anyone notice the pointsettias in the background? The Christmas Flower that represents the blood and nails of the Cross. I guess that doesn’t count for “purity”.

  26. Doesn’t she know that the Old Testament is the Old Covenant God had with His people and the New Testament is the New Covenant God makes with His people? She certainly doesn’t understand Christianity.

  27. Lord how mercy did this nut do any research at all ? Jeremiah 10 is right but she read the wrong verses : Jeremiah 10 vs 2- 4 talks about decorating a tree to WORSHIP; a practice taken from the rituals of pagan worship in a grove. There is absolutely nothing about scarecrows or fields at all !! Our Christmas TRADITION of cutting a tree comes from the fact that the tree is EVERGREEN giving all year like Jesus’ love. It doesn’t deal with WORSHIP of the tree, it is just a symbol of the LOVE God has for us !! Decorating the tree with ornaments is a symbol of the Wise men bringing gifts to Jesus !! I personally do not worship my Christmas tree !! There are no LAWS of Christmas so you can’t be a PURIST of Christmas; not sure where this nut is getting her info !! Jeremiah 10vs 10 has nothing to do with Christmas decorations or trees at all . What difference does it make about how we celebrate our Christmas holiday anyway ? If you don’t like Christmas go find your own holiday , I won’t bother your’s and you leave mine alone !!

  28. OMG… This woman might as well have punched Santa in the face, is this network now based on Islamic principles, to cut Christians and Christmas down when ever they can? I am surprised that people watch this (if you can call it) news channel.

  29. If your going to quote the Bible, please stay within the historical and cultural context. Jeremiah is warning against idolatry, this has nothing to do with the incarnation of the Messiah. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob warns us not to judge others with respect to holidays or food choices, etc., Rom. 14:1-5, 13-15. When haters do their thing, truth matters nothing to them.

  30. THIS WOMAN IS WALKING IN DARKNESS YOU WISH THAT NONE SHOULD PARISH, SO I PRAY YOU OPEN THIS WOMAN’S EYES. HERE IS YOUR WORD IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, NEW CONVENANT. 2 COL. 20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21(Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

  31. I don’t agree with most of you! God exists. Jesus Christ was killed on the cross. Period! Believe in him, profess his name before people, and you will have everlasting life. Pray that you will receive eternal salvation 2!

  32. Is anyone really shock that MSNBC distorts and twists the truth. They have as much credibility as Obama. I did not think that anyone actually watched them anymore !

  33. I think they are competent to discuss their own daily toilet habits (seeing as liberals seem to do so anyway quite regularly in their speech)

  34. She’s obviously the poster child for ” better keep your mouth shut and let others think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

  35. The Lib’s will keep redefining and changing history to have people worship the Federal Statist Government that can’t have a higher power than themselves.

  36. What a Bit**, sorry …my language, but for those on here that are stupid enough to not comprehend that scripture which is constantly misunderstood and misused to represent Christmas trees –

    Which are not idols carved out of would or chiseled down as this scripture quotes and their is real information that I have if anyone wants it that supports Santa Claus or Saint Nicklaus and Christmas Trees which where invented to keep Christianity alive, it does not have pagan or unchristian roots as Easter or Halloween DOES!,

    All Hollows Eve and All Saints Day were put in place of Halloween sense Halloween is a Pagan Holiday, Easter has another meaning other than what Christians celebrate on the same pagan holiday as Easter, alot of people don’t realize the Roman Catholic Church brought in Pagans and to compromise they aloud Easter – meaning Ester or Estar (paganism) to be celebrate along with Christians and are Saviors resurrection etc …

    I have all of the scriptures and information if anybody wants it inbox me,
    I’m sick and tired of the ignorant Christians and secular people misunderstandings of scripture, not to mention this scripture has always been used to attack Christians and are Christmas trees which are merely decorations and not IDOLS as was this scripture is referring to …

    Why don’t you ignorant and misinformed people ask someone who actually has studied over 6 different bibles everything from the original accurate bible –
    KJV and NKJV, to the water down corrupted bibles , ESV,NIV, and NLT etc. not to mention I’ve studied and gone through Catholic bibles, some are accurate like the KJV, others are watered down and corrupted by mans translation and “opinions” …

    Try asking ME for those of you that actually agree with the lady who attacked
    “Sarah Palin” who was wrong and obviously NOT CHRISTIAN !!!!

    Also the secular world has distorted and commercialized Christmas, Presents, and Christmas decorations, you can always tell if someone is Christian, by and Nativity / Jesus scenery in their house or outside lights, the constant usage of
    “Merry Christmas” in their vocabulary or in sending out Christmas cards with scripture in it,

    Yes, Christmas trees and decorations are not black and white in scripture and
    Yes they are a man made practice, but their is no scripture based on my studies that goes against the usage of using decorations, idols though yes, you have to be careful on what the word “idol” is referring to,….
    it’s anything materialistic and physical, human or non-human that is put before Christ, like the worship and idolizing of “Celebrities”, “President’s”, “Athletes”, “Money”, “Sex/ Drugs” etc. is idolism …

    Christmas trees are decorations not idols, those who idolize it are going against other scriptures… But trees are not pagan if celebrated in the Christian Holiday of “Christmas” …

    I as a Christian and one who celebrates Christmas is merely looking at what
    I’m thankful for and what gifts I receive, I thank God for, but I do not ever go around thinking Christmas is about presents and a Lite up Christmas tree, and tons of food and deserts, it’s about Christs birthday, sharing family time and eating together, and being grateful for the things we do get and already HAVE…
    I also pay attention to reminding myself and others that this Holiday represents Gods People, His Birth, His word and Christianity itself …

    I do not teach others or will ever teach my Children, the fake belief in
    Santa Claus in a slay or reindeer etc, that is a lie, although their is a real
    Santa Claus,
    Saint Nicklaus was a real man who did go around handing out Fruits and other toys to children etc.
    He is a real man, just not the fake commercialized worldly
    Santa that delivers Christmas presents around the world in “one night” …

  37. Liberals are so hateful… Doesn’t she have anything better to do than denigrate Sarah Palin? It is that same secular attack of conflating salvation with perfection. How do they carry so much hate and such a massive inferiority complex around without actually exploding??? I feel so sorry for them, and the unhappy lives that they lead.

  38. It really doesn’t matter what this ‘commentator’ believes…good grief, why is she focusing on Palin when the President has a Christmas tree in practically every room in the White House? As well as almost every home of every Democrat! What a nitwit.

    • Could she be worried about Hillary Clinton VS Sarah Palin Presidential Run 2016? If so than that explains it, Palin would win by a Landslide!

    • Because liberals have had two people they focused on intently for the past 5-6 years. George Bush and Sarah Palin. I’ve read some of their posts on HuffPo and they’re absolutely insane. Since Bush has been out of the public eye for a while, they are laser focused on Sarah and to a lesser extent, Ted Cruz.

      Charles Krauthammer coined a phrase for this “Bush derangement syndrome” it’s not limited to Bush. Liberals go all “BDS” on anyone or anything THEY don’t like.

  39. This is a screwed up and wrong translation of Jeremiah 10:10-
    In fact the King James Version is most accurate, they are using a incorrect translation of this scripture …

    King James V: Jeremiah 10:10
    10 But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

    AAH-AAH !! They have the wrong Scripture -hehe

    The scripture they are trying to QUOTE is
    JEREMIAH 10:2-4
    NOT JEREMIAH 10:10 – don’t try fooling Christians, we aren’t dumb !! MSNBC !!!

    Jeremiah 10:2-4 King James Version

    2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

    3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

    4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

    This is reference to “Wooden Idols”, NOT Christmas Trees, why would Christmas Trees need to be Hammered Down with NAILS ???

    FYI – Christmas Trees History Fact …
    Christmas trees “evolved” over time from two Christian traditions.
    First Christmas trees that were Created came out after “2,000 years” after “Jeremiahs Condemnations of “man-made Idols” … i.e “Idols” -“Buddah”, “Statues” etc.

    In fact, Christmas trees originated Not In America, they originated in “Christian Germany, One was a “Paradise Tree” – which hung with “apples” as a reminder of the tree of life in the Garden of Eden. The other was a “triangular” shelf holding Christmas figurines decorated by a Star.

    In the “Sixteenth Century” these two emerged to give us what now “Christmas trees” we do have, love, and cherish … So the next Christmas you have, Christian should have a Christmas tree within their own house or unbelievers house, as a springboard or opportunity to explain the reason for the season from the fall in Paradise to redemption in Christ and Salvation in him, which is the man celebration of Christmas trees, presents “Saint Nick” – Santa Claus and Christ Birth !!! 🙂

  40. I suggest MSNBC quit with the bashing like this if they want to keep their viewers. For one. For another, INSTRUCT THEIR JOURNALISTS TO KNOW WHAT THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT. This Ms. Reid clearly is an ignoramus. Why try to quote something one is totally unfamiliar with? It brings down the ratings and the show.
    Get a life, Ms. Reid. You’re an idiot working for idiots.

  41. Instead of wasting time on lies, Ms Reid should join a gym and try to get rid of that fat ass of hers! She should also think about plastic surgery for her face. If one is to be a constant Liar, at least try to have a decent appearance!!!

  42. Does she get a paycheck or donate her time … I’m thinking she may pay them to appear on TV. That was about as sad a segment as I have ever seen. It did not make any sense. NONE!

  43. Go make some cookies, you pitiful example of “news anchor”. You can talk about the sugar, flour, vanilla, nuts, etc. that are more familiar to you…

  44. Made me look it up NIV – Jeremiah 10:10

    10 But the Lord is the true God;
    he is the living God, the eternal King.
    When he is angry, the earth trembles;
    the nations cannot endure his wrath

  45. Cristesmaesse: Christmas to the rest of us, is the annual commemoration and celebration of Jesus Christ. The mass of Christ.There is no hidden meaning.

  46. There is only one way to correctly read the bible. The New Testament is foreshadowed in the Old and the Old Testament is revealed in the New. One verse quotes are garbage used to start fights.

  47. That scripture is not about putting up a “tree”,t is about taking the wood of a tree and carving it into a false idol that is covered in gold and silver.

  48. MSNBC does have some WACKOS working hard to confuse people. It is obvious Ms Reid knows nothing about the difference between the old and new testaments. I am sure if some one offered her money to tell you why the pine tree is used for Christmas she would go hungry.

  49. The verse mistake is not the only thing MSNBC and Ms Racist Reid got wrong and I agree with the article: only write about what you know and at least do research on things you are not sure of. Another testament of the progressives and their government-sanctioned education system.

  50. Ha! Speaking of “Kawanza” – it is a made up religion by African Americans trying to find their “roots” – in Africa they never celebrate it. Christmas was so named from the Latin “Christ’s Mass” which is definitely Christian and definitely all about the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, later to be called Christ. True decorations and certain traditions originate from Celtic traditions, like the Yule log, mistletoe, and holly – but the nativity is the gist of what Christmas is all about: The True Reason for the Season.

    • ‘But that which the pagans sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not
      to God; but I do not want you to be partakers with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.’

  51. Well, where is Sharpton or Jackson, This is raciest is it not? Or is that a selective thing for them to pick and choose because a black woman said it about a white woman..

  52. I disagree with 99% of Liberals rants….But indeed Christ wasn’t born on the 25TH! We know when he died. On the Jewish calendar of Nisan 15th I believe. Around mid march. He was 3301/2 years old when he died. So 6 months forward and he was born between the Day of Atonement and Sukkot. Mid Sept….give a few days. And many, many people in the know, know of the pagan rituals associated with xmas. I dont have a problem with xmas per say…But I do with the date that was picked! A day that was a sun god holiday. Once a person knows the Truth it can not be refuted. Just like barrack obamanations lies! You cannot mix the unholy with the HOLY! Look it up. It is fact.

    • 33 1/2 years old when Christ died on Nisan 15th, around mid March. Nowdo the math. I hate liberalism! I despise the LEFT’s mindset. But on the paganism of Christmas I must agree.Don’t shoot the messenger! We agree on 95% of most matters

  53. First of all, that is yet ANOTHER translation of the Bible. How many of those are going to happen? Each time the Bible is translated the wording and meaning is changed.

    • So true.And every time a church splits into another denomination, Christianity becomes watered-down even more. Just pick and choose what to believe, what to keep, and what to throw out.

  54. I don’t think Jeremiah was speaking on Christmas trees, but on fashioning of idols to pray to. MSNBC, no small wonder your #’s are of by 60% this year. It’s YOU that are out of touch with mainstream America, not Palin. Your attacks on anything containing a whiff of faith or patriotism ring as hollow as your collective head must surely be. Your network and “news” articles are truly desperate and pathetic.
    Do us all a favor, don’t go away mad, just go away.

  55. It is not changed! The stands true! Look up and compare, very easily, scriptures from all the different translations. They all match up by context! Some adjectives are different. GOD has made sure that HIS Word was available to all of us! Now some people & a few denominations twist Scripture, they interject or ad or subtract. But they are wrong.Only the clueless such as in catholism say the bible is just a good book, or mormons who use Caruso argument. Ever read the book of mormon. I rest my case. None of it is backed up by World History or Archaeology as the Bible is.The Bible itself tells of Apostasies, and traditions of men superseding the Bible. Any doctrine or teaching that contradicts Scripture is WRONG .

    • Catholics certainly DON’T say that the Bible is “just a good book”. In fact, the Bible was defined, organized, and kept alive by the true church, until Luther and then so many other Protestants subtracted the books they did not agree with. Want to read the whole Bible?; then put your KJV on the shelf and open a version with ALL the books.

  56. Joy Reid is spouting perverted doctrine embracing MSNBC’s blueprint
    of distortion and dupery aimed at the ignorance of their audience.

    Here is a definition of Jeremiah 10 by Dr. Richard Bucher:
    It is abundantly clear that the “decorated tree” to which Jeremiah 10 refers is you will find many other examples of trees being planted, cut down, or carved into idols. One of the most common examples of a tree idol was the Asherah, mentioned often in the
    Old Testament. Asherah was a pagan goddess that was worshiped throughout the
    Mediterranean world. She was considered to be the goddess of the sea, the
    consort of El, and the mother of Baal.

    Therefore, it is very superficial Bible interpretation and pure silliness to understand
    this passage as directly referring to the use of a fir tree for Christmas! Now if those who set up a Christmas tree fall down and worship it as a god or goddess, complete with altars and incense stands, then Jeremiah 10 applies. Or if someone loves their Christmas tree more than God, then such a thing might also be considered spiritual idolatry. But apart from these exceptions, it is abundantly clear that Christians who erect Christmas trees are NOT worshiping them as gods or goddesses, nor do they love them more than their Savior Jesus Christ. They are simply using the Christmas
    tree as a fun custom, one that can remind them of Jesus who is the branch of
    David (Jeremiah 23:5; 33:15), the root of Jesse (Isaiah 11:1). One that can
    remind them of the tree that led Adam and Eve to sin, but more importantly, the
    tree on which Christ Jesus died to make atonement for the sins of the whole
    world (Acts 5:30; Gal. 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24).

    Christians should know that they can use a Christmas tree with a good conscience. It is unfortunate and wrong when individuals who do not understand the teachings call
    something sin that is not sin, and attempt to enslave the consciences of believers
    with imaginary sin!

  57. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

    New Living Translation (NLT)

    16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.

    Go to and change to other translations and see for yourselves. People are too proud and stubborn! CHRIST appeared to His people, the Jews. They had the Torah, the Old Testament and Christ condemned the Scribes & Pharisees for twisting His words and adding traditions of men, If you don’t know this you don’t even know the Bible

  58. This woman was certainly delighted to find something to criticize, wasn’t she? So what if she was stretching to find a non-issue to do it with. Then she quoted scripture out of context and ended up with egg on her face. I wonder how many sincere people heard her and their Christmas trees were ruined for them because they believed her? I’m so glad their numbers are down. Maybe no one heard her but Allen West.

  59. The clueless who don’t Scripture or disagree with are the ones mad. They never pick up the book, much less read it front to back. They go to church to have their ears tickled just like Scripture says. It is not my interpretation. If any are offended by the truth or the Bible, it’s your defect. You see I’m disliked by liberals and clueless christians because I dispute the Trinity and Christmas….I bet liberals are liking this, but it is the Truth none the less. And I can show Scripture after Scripture to show anybody.

  60. In Proverbs chap 8 Christ is talking to us by inspiration. I will post it. It gets very interesting at verse 22. Also when the disciples asked Christ when the Time of the end was. HE said neither the Angels know nor do I know! Now if Christ was co-internal, and not created how could He not know!? Then 1 Corinthians chap 15 is a must read also. I could go on & on. The FATHER IS THE ALMIGHTY and above all else, our Lord and Savior Christ who sacrificed His Life is the Father’s on;y begotten Son. So it is written. Christ would alwasy say when speaking many times “It is Written” Or you error because you do not know Scripture” I’m done.

    Proverbs 8

    Good News Translation (GNT)

    In Praise of Wisdom

    8 Listen! Wisdom is calling out.
    Reason is making herself heard.
    2 On the hilltops near the road
    and at the crossroads she stands.
    3 At the entrance to the city,
    beside the gates, she calls:
    4 “I appeal to all of you;
    I call to everyone on earth.
    5 Are you immature? Learn to be mature.
    Are you foolish? Learn to have sense.
    6 Listen to my excellent words;
    all I tell you is right.
    7 What I say is the truth;
    lies are hateful to me.
    8 Everything I say is true;
    nothing is false or misleading.
    9 To those with insight, it is all clear;
    to the well-informed, it is all plain.
    10 Choose my instruction instead of silver;
    choose knowledge rather than the finest gold.

    11 “I am Wisdom, I am better than jewels;
    nothing you want can compare with me.
    12 I am Wisdom, and I have insight;
    I have knowledge and sound judgment.
    13 To honor the Lord is to hate evil;
    I hate pride and arrogance,
    evil ways and false words.
    14 I make plans and carry them out.
    I have understanding, and I am strong.
    15 I help kings to govern
    and rulers to make good laws.
    16 Every ruler on earth governs with my help,
    officials and nobles alike.
    17 I love those who love me;
    whoever looks for me can find me.
    18 I have riches and honor to give,
    prosperity and success.
    19 What you get from me is better than the finest gold,
    better than the purest silver.
    20 I walk the way of righteousness;
    I follow the paths of justice,
    21 giving wealth to those who love me,
    filling their houses with treasures.

    22 “The Lord created me first of all,
    the first of his works, long ago.
    23 I was made in the very beginning,
    at the first, before the world began.
    24 I was born before the oceans,
    when there were no springs of water.
    25 I was born before the mountains,
    before the hills were set in place,
    26 before God made the earth and its fields
    or even the first handful of soil.
    27 I was there when he set the sky in place,
    when he stretched the horizon across the ocean,
    28 when he placed the clouds in the sky,
    when he opened the springs of the ocean
    29 and ordered the waters of the sea
    to rise no further than he said.
    I was there when he laid the earth’s foundations.
    30 I was beside him like an architect,[a]
    I was his daily source of joy,
    always happy in his presence—
    31 happy with the world
    and pleased with the human race.

    32 “Now, young people, listen to me.
    Do as I say, and you will be happy.
    33 Listen to what you are taught.
    Be wise; do not neglect it.
    34 Those who listen to me will be happy—
    those who stay at my door every day,
    waiting at the entrance to my home.
    35 Those who find me find life,
    and the Lord will be pleased with them.
    36 Those who do not find me hurt themselves;
    anyone who hates me loves death.”

  61. Jeremiah 10:10 states: ‘But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.’ …..nothing here about a Christmas tree…. What kind of a Bible did she have?

  62. When LORD or GOD appears in all caps it is the name of the Father. The tetragrammaton…YHWH. Yaweh, the common English translation is is Jehovah. The Jews, in error, thought the Divine name to holy to enunciate so they replaced it with “Adonai” But the Divine name appeared in the original texts over 6,900 times. And Christ’s name Yeshua (Jesus) means Jehovah’s salvation! And no people I am not Jehovah’s Witness. Though they might teach us a thing or 2. I am still searching for the right church. Now I’m done 🙂


  64. This liberal is right and Christians don’t read the whole bible and don’t know the origins of Christmas. All the stuff you do has origins that are centuries old and of pagan origins. Those verses in Jeremiah are an example of one of them.
    God hates the mixing of good with evil.
    “You shall not do so to Yahweh your God: for every abomination to Yahweh, which he hates, have they done to their gods; Whatever thing I command you, that you shall observe to do: you shall not add thereto, nor diminish from it.” Deu 12:31-32
    “But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice
    to demons, and not to God, and I don’t desire that you would have
    fellowship with demons. You can’t both drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You
    can’t both partake of the table of the Lord, and of the table of demons.” 1Cor 10:20
    Anybody with internet access can research the origin of Christmas and see where all these traditions come from. What’s wrong with tradition you ask? ”
    He said to them, “Full well do you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. Mark 7:9.. This liberal is merely pointing out your hypocrisy which is usually reserved for the liberal minded. The bumper sticker should read “Get Christ out of Christmas for it wasn’t God who put him there.” Incidentally he wasn’t born on Dec 25 but this is another tradition if you care to take the time to research it. “Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them.” Eph 5 11. I’m following the command in Ephesians 5:11 by reproving this despicable Pagan tradition and the mixing it with the birth of the Messiah. Remember this: “Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right
    to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.
    And without are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and
    the murderers, and the idolaters, and WHOEVER LOVES AND PRACTICES A LIE!”

    • YOu are absolutely right, all anyone has to do is google Origins of Saturnalia and see what comes up. And before anyone bashes me, try it.

    • You are 100% correct, We should also stop worshiping on Sundays, because Sunday worship only began after the Council of Nicaea advocated Sunday worship because Mithra worship among pagans was growing. Of course, we must then close ALL businesses from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday to observe the sabbath. We can then institute stoning disrespectful children, wives who don’t follow Kosher law, and generally just ignore all scientific gains made in the last 2000 years.

  65. Who was that harpy? And does she really think she’s witty when she argues that Christmas trees are idols and false gods?
    What a fatuous disaster that woman is. I’ve never seen her before. Does she actually have her own show at MSNBC?
    The horror.
    The horror.

  66. MiykaEl_TX you are spot on. It is a breath of fresh air when I come across someone with knowledge of the whole truth. Thanks for sharing. And that said people need not hang on so stubbornly to traditions and and incomplete doctrines. You are correct that people can research for themselves. The Scribes & Pharisees were so jealous and stubborn about Christ’s teaching, that while they seen him healing and raising the dead, they wickedly said it was by the power of demons that Christ performed these miracles. Obviously not all Jews were so blind. To this day they refuse to acknowledge Him. Not all Jews are blinded to this however. And Israel is in Bible prophecy. In fact there are some parts of the Torah that Jews will refuse to read or acknowledge. The book of Isaiah and Daniel are a couple of examples. To this day many Christians will do the same. Clinging to doctrines that contradict Scriptures. I believe 90% of what is taught in Churches. However I know false teachings by the Scriptures they contradict.

  67. Wow! Unbelievable. It’s like these people at MSNBC get off on showing their ignorance, intolerance and, well, just plain idiocy. I love it how this woman (whoever she is) and other liberals try to quote from the Bible. They are quoting something most of them have disdain for. Why don’t they try quoting from the Bible when they try to push gay marriage? They even try to use the Pope now to attempt to forward their agenda. And they also try to quote the Constitution (by completely twisting the meaning) when most of them think it should be ground down to pulp for toilet paper. These progressive liberals have no shame, no compassion, no tolerance and no brains.

  68. That said Liberalism is a mental disease. It is lunacy. The Progressive Socialists are indeed bad. And they hate Christians, no matter which persuasion your are. They hate conservatives and those who Believe in the Constitution. We are considered extremists. Domestic terrorists. And the Persecution & Murder of Christians worldwide is escalating. And here in America also and it is intensifying 🙁

  69. There’s nothing “convoluted” about the woman’s reasoning. There’s no “reasoning” at all. A basic knowledge of the culture in which it was written, and some basic reading comprehension skills would have told her that passage is referring to the manufacture and worship of idols. Pure liberal idiocy.

  70. It is hard to comment on this topic without sounding as ridiculously self righteous as Kill Joy Reid does however I think West as done a great job and appreciate him bring it to my attention. Reid is suppose to be a journalist of whom I would first expect her to at least site her source correctly and most importantly not to add to it. Jeremiah 10:10 is not the correct verse nor does that verse contain anything about scarecrows and cucumber fields… so I do not know what book she is quoting but it certainly is not the Bible. Jeremiah chapter 10 is about idolatry and most specifically about the Children of Israel and Judah falling into the traps of idolatry instead of worshiping God… which with all the commercial trappings of Christmas these days is something everyone should be cautious about which is why I have always tried to adorn my Christmas Tree with Nativity ornaments of Baby Jesus to celebrate His birth; however even with conscious effort to do so… the occasional Santa and Nutcracker and Teddy Bear also appears from the season and while they in no way represent “Gods” to me because God is God and His Son, Jesus Christ is whom the season is about… I understand the Biblical warning that is applicable even today to America and the world at large that God is real and His feelings must always be honored above all or else the entire celebration of Christmas is nothing more than a shopping event. In addition, Reid attacking Sarah Palin is completely ridiculously and unbiblical given she is standing there with her hair shaved off and pointing out someone’s family as if they are heathens for having a Christmas Tree is absurd. What is more concerning however it that the scripture was called up to begin with because Jeremiah is not something you here quoted or misquoted on the news… if ever… and the punishment in Jeremiah for idolatry on a National level was famine. God works in mysterious ways… and while I know America is not perfect and falls prey to the trappings of idolatry in many ways… we are at least by majority Christians. There are many nations in this world which are not Christian… and famine is terrible thing. So, I would caution everyone to self reflect and get your heart right with God. A country that does not worship the one true God is a country that suffers from famine according to the Bible again and again and again. It is hard to imagine Africa suffering even more from famine however it could happen and I hope they take heed because Islam is killing them not only in the fields of produce but in their hearts and minds as well.

    • Have you read all of Jeremiah 10? She quoted the wrong reference for sure. She was actually talking about verses 1-5, which in the Complete Jewish Bible says:

      Hear the word Adonai speaks to you,
      house of Isra’el!
      Here is what Adonai says:
      “Don’t learn the way of the Goyim,
      don’t be frightened by astrological signs,
      even if the Goyim are afraid of them;
      for the customs of the peoples are nothing.
      They cut down a tree in the forest;
      a craftsman works it with his axe;
      they deck it with silver and gold.
      They fix it with hammer and nails,
      so that it won’t move.
      Like a scarecrow in a cucumber patch,
      it cannot speak.
      It has to be carried,
      because it cannot walk.
      Do not be afraid of it —
      it can do nothing bad;
      likewise it is unable
      to do anything good!”

      • Jeremiah 10

        King James Version (KJV)

        10 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

        2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

        3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

        4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

        5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

        6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

        7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.

        8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

        9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.

        10 But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

        11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.

        12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.

        13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.

        14 Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them.

        15 They are vanity, and the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.

        16 The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The Lord of hosts is his name.

        17 Gather up thy wares out of the land, O inhabitant of the fortress.

        18 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will sling out the inhabitants of the land at this once, and will distress them, that they may find it so.

        19 Woe is me for my hurt! my wound is grievous; but I said, Truly this is a grief, and I must bear it.

        20 My tabernacle is spoiled, and all my cords are broken: my children are gone forth of me, and they are not: there is none to stretch forth my tent any more, and to set up my curtains.

        21 For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the Lord: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.

        22 Behold, the noise of the bruit is come, and a great commotion out of the north country, to make the cities of Judah desolate, and a den of dragons.

        23 O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

        24 O Lord, correct me, but with judgment; not in thine anger, lest thou bring me to nothing.

        25 Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name: for they have eaten up Jacob, and devoured him, and consumed him, and have made his habitation desolate.

  71. You right Karen no metion of corn field or scare crow, she is a muslim, if she doesn’t like Christmas tree the she can go get herself a cutus tree.

  72. so let me get this straight:
    “Jeremiah was an Old Testament prophet referring to idol worship at a time before Jesus Christ came into the world.”
    so what idol worship is now acceptable that Christ is born?
    or is it still against the laws of God?

    • The tree is just a traditional decoration. Christ is worshiped. The object of worship for a Christian is no more a tree than the object of worship for Jewish people is a menorah.

      But, as long as your asking, what idol worship is now acceptable that Christ is born, that would be “Celebrity”. You see, the thing is, as a nation, we no longer know the difference between a hero and a celebrity, so we have a tendency to worship celebrities and “crucify” heroes. Right now, the primary object of worship for air-headed idol worshipers is Barack Obama, sworn in as a Greek God, celebrated as a savior, reputed to be more decent than Abraham Lincoln, of better character than George Washington, as nobly inspiring as John Kennedy, a man who has but one fault. He doesn’t know the first rule of holes: When you’re in one, stop digging.

      • you forgot narcissistic egotistical preoccupation with self, personal preferences, aspirations, needs, success, and how he is perceived by others people are things to be used.may have the ability to change into a variety of identities according to the situation.
        fake persona that do not last as he reverts back to the mirror.
        the yule tree is paganism, as are several other “Christian Religious festivals” were taken from other cultural groups.

      • For just a second, when I saw “ forgot narcissistic egotistical preoccupation with self, personal preferences, aspirations, needs, success..” I thought you were talking about the average voter who put him in office.

        Yes, it is true, the Christmas tree, or Yule tree can be traced back to ancient pagan religions. But I stand by my position that the tree is not an object of worship, as it was in pagan times. If I should ever happen to come across someone actually worshiping a Christmas tree, I’ll know I have discovered someone who is not only a religious nut, but a modern social oddity as well. In any case, I hardly think the Christmas tree is an appropriate item to use as a political club on Sarah Palin, especially from the left that is so fond of demanding that secular (political) things be kept separate from religious (Christmas) things. I mean, if you can’t beat an opponent on the issues, when does it become appropriate to beat them any way you can? Answer: When you are a socialist, a communist, a Nazi, a Fascist, a dictator or a liberal Democrat, or someone who just enjoys being a bully and just can’t win any other way.

  73. All I can say is, in her efforts to make Sarah look like an idiot only managed to show her own ignorance, Joy it is best if you are going to use the Bible, you should know about the Christian faith and quote the right Book, Chapter and verse. It would also be of great help to understand what you are reading. But lets face facts you are an ignorant Godless Socialist who attacks Christians because they get in your way of your worship of your Great Lord and Savior Obama You want your heaven now on earth, were as Followers of Christ build their riches in heaven. I can only pray you will someday gain some real wisdom before it is to late. It is hard to make one appear the fool when you are the fool.

  74. Did she even read the King James Bible, Jeremiah 10:10?? I have come to the conclusion that it is the goal of MSNBC news to show their lack of skill and truth of anything they “dig-up”. To look foolish on the air is their goals!

  75. I don’t know where this uninformed person thought she got that scripture; however, in the KJV of the Bible reads as follows: Jer 10:10 But the Lord is the true God, He is the living God, and an everlasting king; at His wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide His indignation.

  76. The Bible is speaking of carving wooden idols. This sorry excuse for a commentator apparently either doesn’t know that or is purposely misleading.

  77. Many of the comments posted point out the lack of understanding of scripture by the MSNBC commentator. That is a sad truth. But what is more troubling is the MSNBC audience is just as uninformed. The followers of these media outlets are not tuning in to seek the truth. They are watching in order to have their belief systems reinforced. And the powers behind the media message are more than willing to feed lies to those willing to listen.
    All believers know the truth and do not look to ‘news’ outlets for confirmation.

  78. “…what topics do you suggest MSNBC covers where their hosts can display some basic competence?”

    May I suggest “Marxist Political Theory” or perhaps “How to be a Pied Piper for tyrants”? How about “How Real Community Organizers Kill Two Birds With One Stone: How to instill massive hatred and promote stupidity in the ignorant and uninformed while simultaneously angering people who really think and know better”

    Those would seem to be to be the best topics for MSNBC to cover with expertise.

  79. The Bible quotation in this story is incorrectly attributed to Jeremiah 10:10. It is actually Jeremiah 10:3-5. The chapter continues to comment on those who do this, if one choses to read farther. This is an old Testament reference to heathen people who actually worshiped trees. We do seem to have our tree hugging worshipers in America these days, but they don’t often chain themselves to trees in December.

    The traditional “Christmas Tree” is not an object of worship. Christmas trees are only put up at an annual time for the purpose of honoring Jesus Christ. True enough, they probably don’t impress Him a whole lot. But I am sure he would know the difference between what is a harmless, traditional, decoration and what is worshiped by individuals.

    I have heard this very same argument used before, against me, personally, by a member of a particular church whose founding philosopher was a woman, which I will not name, who wanted me to repent of my paganism.

    I showed her the door.

    • thank you J_R_K for trying to point out the hilarity of using this book as an example of idol worship. As I remember being taught, A German Monk was attempting to teach the holy trinity and used a Fir tree as a symbol for the triangle. The tradition took on a life of it’s own; candles were used to illuminate the Holy Trinity; people began adorning the triangle with additional glass baubles to magnify the light, and here we are today. The real comedy is atheists that call it a “Holiday Tree”, I’ve always found it amusing that the tree actually stands for a symbol of Christianity.

      • The tree is not a symbol of Christianity any more than Santa Claus is. It’s a symbol of a specific calendar day on which Christians celebrate the birth of Christ.

        You know, come to think of it, I heard of a guy who was selling trees in a parking lot. He had two signs up. One said “Christmas Trees $10” and the other said “Holiday Trees $25” … A customer was asking what’s the difference and the seller replied “Well, the holiday trees haven’t been tainted with that whole ‘Christian’ thing. Which one can I get for you?”

        Funny how people argue over silly things, isn’t it? Making making political mountains out of the mole hill we perceive in someone elses’ eye while all the time smuggling a beam in the back door to be used as tools or political weapons to compel others how to think, what to believe, how to live.

      • That’s actually slightly inaccurate. St Nicholas was a generous Greek man, giving toys to poor children. The tree of course, as I stated in my earlier post. Protestants have diluted the meaning of Santa and Christmas trees, not to say it’s a bad thing, just a commercial thing that has moved away from the actual foundation of the tradition.

        I’m not sure why this conversation bothers you so much. The progressive left has actually started made this political, firing the inaccuracies and anti-Christian rhetoric against traditions, bible quotes, what-have-you. Christians have become so persecuted in this country over the last several years that it’s refreshing to see them stand up and defend their value system. Not one Christian has demanded we take the menorah down, the Kwanzaa symbols down, etc…’s been Atheists and the perpetually offended that demand changes to society they believe are harmful to their well-being. Don’t confuse Pro-Christian values with Anti-Whatever Behavior is fashionable at the moment. That seems to be the argument from the left that Christians have to be ANTI something if they stand up for themselves. Anything else doesn’t fit their narrative.

      • LOL, this conversation doesn’t “bother me”. I am at the moment laid off from my job. This is just something to be doing since the grass doesn’t need mowing right now. 🙂

        Having said that, I don’t think you can blame it all on protestants. Lots of Catholic folks put up Christmas trees and tell their kids about Santa Clause, too.

        Maybe we should just blame the Lutherans. “Everybody blames the Lutherans” ~ Character played by Clint Eastwood in his movie “Grand Torino”.

        By the way, I realize that much of what you say is true. But I still think trying to prove Sarah Palin is a hypocrite and a pagan on the basis of Christmas trees is a lousy political ploy. Christ said to “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars and unto God the things that are Gods’ ” Personally, I perhaps one of the greatest, if not the greatest problem in America today is that you probably couldn’t find 1 in 1000 Americans who knows where that line should be drawn, on either side of the political spectrum if you had a scanning detector that could point to them.

      • OK, well we agree that Sarah Palin is being falsely accused and that using a book from the Old Testament to make a point about Christmas trees, a book written before Jesus was born, hence no Christmas yet, shows some real desperation and a complete lack of intelligence. I think somewhere there’s some miscommunication between you and me about what point we’re agreeing/disagreeing with, but I can’t figure out where.

  80. NEXT on Hard Balls, with Chris Matthews. We’ll ask the tough questions to our next guest- Hillary Clinton, our most conservative guest ever!

    • Good call, chevyll! I’ll concur by saying Reid is a HEATHEN LUMP OF DUNG, similar to the BUCKET OF DIARRHEA she was filling in for, Ed Schultz.

  81. Copied & pasted:
    While at first glance one might be tempted to connect this passage with the Christmas tree, upon closer examination of the context, it becomes obvious that the passage is about cutting down a tree and then carving it into an idol. It is not about cutting down a tree and putting it whole, foliage and all, into one’s house.

    The tradition of putting up a Christmas tree most likely was derived from some superstitious, winter custom of pagan religions, but we must be careful not to retrofit this back into biblical texts that do not fit the context. To directly link the Christmas tree with Jeremiah 10 is anachronistic and a violation of context.

  82. Maybe TV hosts over at MSNBC should come together and tell the network that they want to start reporting on the truth or else they’ll leave.

  83. How can I be shocked? MSNBC lacks any credibility, it is like the inmates are running the asylum….. And, racing, with great speed, to overtake their laughable little brother MSNBC is NBC and it’s league of minions who are being led by chief minion David Gregory who is STILL trying to defend his master Obama from the horrible failure called Benghazi.

  84. I have no problem with Sarah Palin, or Christmas, but truth be told. Christmas and its origins have absolutely nothing to do with Christ or the Bible. It is no more Biblical than Halloween and yes, even easter. They are all pagan in origin. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He told His people not to worship Him as the pagans worship their gods. So don’t try and make these secular holidays about something they are most defiantly not.

  85. “Christmas trees are related to the holiday celebration of this season and the secular remembrance of old St. Nicholas.” Misleading claim LTC West, evergreen tradition is rooted in pagan rituals kept alive by Western Europeens after converting to Christianity.


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