Another white combat vet murdered by black thugs

Once again we’ve apparently lost an American combat veteran to the nefarious and criminal intentions of thugs.

As reported by Mary Chastain at Breitbart.com:

“New dad and Iraq War Veteran Jim Vester, 32, was at an Indianapolis parking lot to buy an iPad with sellers from Craigslist when two assailants allegedly ambushed and shot him dead. The veteran Indiana Army guardsman was slain during a 4 p.m. robbery in the parking lot of the Wyckford Commons apartment complex, 900 Wyckford Drive,

SSG Vester was trying to buy an iPad from a seller he contacted on Craigslist, a family acquaintance and law enforcement sources said.

“He knew it wasn’t the best neighborhood, that’s why he went in the middle of the afternoon,” said family friend Sarah Hill about Vester’s arrangement to buy the tablet. “He was being careful.”

The suspects in the killing are brothers Tyron Kincade, 19, and Tyshaune Kincade, 18 who have been arrested and are being held on preliminary charges of murder and robbery. Police caught them during a traffic stop.

Here we go again, with shades of the attack on 88-year-old World War II veteran Delbert Belton in Spokane, Washington. What is going on in the inner city that respect for life has descended into this utter abyss? Two brothers — what of the values of their family?

If there were more job opportunities for these black teens would this have happened? If their high school had an JROTC program with men and women who instilled in them a different set a core values, would this have happened?

We must solve this problem of black crime and the decimation of the black family and destruction of core values. If these young men are so doggone set on killing people, I know some places they could go where there’s a bunch of Islamic jihadists looking forward to having 72 virgins.

Nah, that would take courage and a commitment to defend this country and its core values. These kids are wanton, disrespectful killers and a scourge to our society.

Imagine if SSG Vester had gone armed to the rendezvous and when confronted by these two teenagers, gunned them down instead — yep, you all know what would have been the immediate outcry. My recommendation? Either stop the Craiglist link transactions, but if you don’t, go armed with backup — who is also armed.

Those recommendations won’t help SSG Vester, who leaves behind his son Gavin — who just turned one in November — and his wife Jamie. SSG Vester’s friends have started a donation site for his family. They’ve reached $64,623 of their $100,000 goal so far – you can help too.

The animals who perpetrated this heinous ambush-style attack deserve no pity, no consideration of their “circumstances.” They made a decision and they should suffer the same consequences.

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Jay Deal
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We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. – Ronald Reagan

Dan Hegarty
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Well said Jay!

Army Gorilla
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Well they are both old enough to have walked into a recruiting station and joined the military,.. but hey being a thug is so much easier

Dan Hegarty
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Jobs or ROTC would not have helped this garbage.They would not have wanted anything to do with either one since they probably were raised on welfare and never needed to work for anything.

bbillybobthornstone
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I agree with Dan.

Charlene A. Howell
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Why is the automatic assumption made that, because the assailants are/were of African descent, they are recipients of public social services (welfare, as you put it)? If we are to be brutally honest here, you would KNOW (& NOT assume otherwise) that caucasians are the largest group of Americans that receive welfare. it’s only because of the sigma associated with the term that you all refer to them as entitlements or tax breaks. Anyway, back to the issue at hand… because these young men did the crime, they should undoubtedly do the time.

Lolly
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His original post did not mention the melanin content of the two criminals.
Why did you presume that his statement had anything to do with that aspect of their being?

Elliemae Barna
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no assumptions were made that because they were black, they were on welfare. the assumption, and probably a fact is that because they are thugs and criminals with NO values, they are probably on welfare!!!! PERIOD!!

Robert Streander Jr
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Here’s why. If you look a little more with context a higher percentage of af’s compared with their total population compared against percentage of whites on social services compared with their total % of population reveals that a higher (much) % are blacks. 75% and upwards of these crimes are committed by blacks. Sorry, the facts don’t lie. No assumptions are involved. Get your head out of the sand lady.

Dan Hegarty
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I said “probably” and I would be surprised if I was wrong.Should I assume they come from hard working families and they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and just happened to kill this guy?I doubt it.You should try to see this scum for what they are.I’m not basing this on race,I’m basing it on Behavior!

zeppyled
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Thanks Mr. Know it all

Dan Hegarty
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your welcome

Cross67
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“These kids are wanton, disrespectful killers and a scourge to our society.”

So true…..so sad. Why is the black “culture” so obsessed with color in this day and age? It seems to me that having a black president has only made black and white relations worse, not better. Just saying…..

rebecca
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It sure seems that way . Where are all the people of good will ( black & white ) hiding ? It’s time to speak out and stop this madness .

jb80538
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Col, Many of these thugs don’t want to work. They are takers that have no regard for human life.

GS
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Maybe if the black culture would encourage people to marry before having kids instead of women having a baby with every man she dates then they might have a more stable upbringing. I’m willing to bet daddy took off years ago and mom is on welfare and there are probably more kids at home.

marylou
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Many Black families are rotting from within after generations of government handouts.

Now a half black muslim president foments racism to promote his own agenda for votes.

Obama pretends/deceives he is the black emancipator, yet is destroying all sense of responsibility, integrity and motivation for young blacks to achieve the American dream.

Planned parenthood, which he props up, is slowly aborting the black race.
Sad, that his black victims have no clue what he is doing TO them, not FOR them.

maze
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Mom has told police the gun used was hers. She stated the boys always took it from time to time! WTF was she thinking? Did she think her sweet lil boys were giving gun safety classes at the local YMCA? This bitch needs to rot in [email protected]$L with her boys!

zeppyled
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Tragedy and senseless. However, I would never buy anything off Craigslist. Just asking for trouble. Risk not worth the reward

The_El_Conquistador
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Living in fear is worse than anything else I can think of. If you are going to buy from craigslist open carry a side arm if you are going into an unknown neighborhood.

maze
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This victim was armed, it did not save his life!

The_El_Conquistador
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Maybe you should blame the ipad…or just apple?

maze
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Why would i blame apple or ipad? Hell, I dont even blame Craigslist. I blame 2 thugs that don’t value human life. I do deals through Craigslist all the time, its just like classified ads in the newspaper. I go armed, with someone else armed, and I meet in a high traffic area. I have luckily never had any problems. Blaming apple or ipod is more idiotic then the anti gun nuts that blame the gun……its the idiots breaking the law, not the gun.

Charles Davies
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Because you don’t have a job doesn’t give you the right to robby and murder someone. it’s time we start hanging these fools.

The_El_Conquistador
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Exactly! Being unemployed or without a job in & of itself has never led me to murdering anyone! These animals had a roof and a bed and obvious handouts from the welfare state! Maybe if they knew real hunger they would have got off momma’s couch and get a job! They did this because they are LAZY! That’s right I said it, LAZY! It’s not racist if it is true Mr. West! Stop blaming the system, INDIANA ROCKS! Jobs exist here for people willing to do the work. Indy is NOT detroit or Chicago, jobs exist, even on Craigslist!
maze
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SSG Vester did go to the rendezvous armed! Witnesses state they heard gunshots, then saw SSG Vester leaving the apartments walking back to his vehicle with said gun in hand when he collapsed and died! I happen to live in Indianapolis and have been following this case closely. I knew more about it from facebook then our local news media. I am glad other media sources have jumped on board and have given this heinous crime the attention it deserves. I hope these thugs rot in H#$L!

Pete Roberto
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No Craigs or any other list purchases unless you verify big time

The_El_Conquistador
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Ill keep my freedom and privacy thank you very much. Maybe you are following the wrong people?

Jerry Yeager
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There are so many young people, white, black, etc who have no moral compass nor desire for living an upright and moral life. This comes from the breakdown of the family and the rush to push GOD from our society in every way possible. In an earlier time, the greatest fear teachers had in our schools was someone chewing gum or running in the hallways. Now, murder, rape, drugs, gang violence fill our classrooms and our streets, all in the name of “freedom”. We have exchanged true freedom for a counterfit version that holds no one accountable for their actions,… Read more »
Merl Johnston
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These type of “people” aren’t looking for a job. They are looking for a fast easy buck. Or cell phone or anything they can get without much effort. It is because they are lazy, worthless, and stupid. Not cause they are black and can’t find a job.

one
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It is the decimation of the American family. Not black not white not brown…American…

Robert Streander Jr
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ok sorry only 93% black

bbillybobthornstone
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It is barack HUSSEIN obama’s decimation of all things American.

Michael E Jones
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Allen watch the left morph this tragic event into something other than murder. It will be the gun’s fault, society, etc. Meantime the impact this victim as a dad will have for his relatives and world, is now lost forever. I would hope, PROSECUTE too fullest extent.

Robert Streander Jr
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I watch news all day long, haven’t seen the left media even touch this story

maze
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I live in Indianapolis, the day it happened was a little footnote that a man was shot, schools are in lockdown. I seen more about it from friends on facebook. It was a few days before it was actually reported as a murder from a robbery gone bad. It took a week before any connection to craigslist was mentioned, yet thru facebook, I knew that from day one. Our media just brushed it under the rug. Only recently have they showed any pictures of the thugs that did this, I guess they do not like reporting about crimes by Obama’s… Read more »
Robert Streander Jr
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I’m just down the interstate from Indy. Don’t watch much local news and am confined to cnn. I do try to check news sites online. Have not seen this anywhere, except here. You are correct. They will not cover this. Too busy running 24/7 Mandella and how he changed the world. Give me a break. He only puts tires full of petroleum around peoples necks and lights them on fire, while singing his anthem of killing whites. Black on white crime here in US does not fit the agenda, so you will see nothing. Turn that around with a Travon… Read more »
beau
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LMAO,,,, it is laughable to think people blame ” society “…. upbringing, the family environment, rap music and video games, poor economy, non equality in the workplace, race and education…..the simple fat is , these crimes are a DIRECT result of liberal America. Liberal America took media and changed it, we went from full house to housewives with no values, we went from the cosby show to big brother filled with greed, sex, lying, manipulation and no values….. Liberal America and the ACLU says the death penalty is wrong, and we don’t use it, and crime without punishment is the… Read more »
Artupstairs
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Yeah, but WHAT KILLED the FAMILY??? LIBERALISM.

William Haburne
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This is horrible but I do not condone restricting free trade over it. What would be next restrict letter writing between strangers wanting to conduct some kind of legal trade. Best option is PUNISHMENT TO FIT THE CRIME not hand slapping.

Michael Doyle
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Firing squad with the cameras rolling comes to mind.

Ozzie Ridings
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The sad part here is we have let God be taken out of schools and we have no moral compass in the White House. All the young black men have seen Obama lie to America a get away with it. No one has held Obama accountable

bbillybobthornstone
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How long has Tyron and Tyshaune been on welfare??

zeppyled
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Takeaway #1)
The animals who perpetrated this heinous ambush-style attack deserve no
pity, no consideration of their “circumstances.” They made a decision
and they should suffer the same consequences.

Takeaway #2)
Either stop the Craiglist link transactions, but if you don’t, go armed with backup — who is also armed.

Artupstairs
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And don’t go to “bad neighborhoods”, even in the day.

zeppyled
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I hear you! But for me it’s the opposite. Some neighborhoods are off-limits after dark! LOL!

John Snavley
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It is sad that some cultures of our society have lost family values, raised without discipline, left to run wild, single parent families, and have no idea who Jesus is and the price he paid for our salvation. Each life is precious and I pray that something open the eyes of all thugs.

Jimmy Sanders
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Put a bounty on there ass in prison. Then we will see how brave they are. Or, send them to afganistand and see how long it takes them to mess their pants. It takes a SORRY person to ambush and shoot someone. My prayers are with the family of this here and may he rest in peace.

Artupstairs
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The values of the family? That’s the problem, there IS NO FAMILY. They are feral animals. Hatched from an egg.

rebecca
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I can’t understand in this year why anyone would suggest that there are more jobs for a white kid as there for a black kid who have graduated from H.S. or at least has a GED .
ROTC is a good alternative , but todays kids aren’t allowed to hear about the benefits of a military career . I was so surprised when I learned that my grandchildren didn’t have a careers class until H.S. MY generation took a careers course in the 8th grade .

Paul Price
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To all those commenting that the perps were not looking for a job, please read the entire article first.

HighInformationVoter
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I have a degree and was unable to find a job above retail/min. wage for quite some time.Not once did I consider crime. I’m tired of excuses. The culture that dominates the black community is destructive not only to themselves, but to those around them, Quite frankly, white people are getting tired of it.

PissedOffSmoker
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This makes me sick and is the major problem with US blacks. For some reason, the white guilt media don’t give these types of crimes attention. AND, the biggest racists in the country sharpton and jackson don’t care about improving their communities, they just care about securing their power base by giving poor blacks a cop out.

Artupstairs
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Also, in NO WAY am I blaming the victim, but if I saw an ipad for sale on CL, in a “bad neighborhood”, I would ASSUME it was STOLEN. And I don’t buy stolen goods.

zeppyled
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Spot on. Another good reason to not use Craigslist! It should be called Crookslist.

Artupstairs
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I don’t think anything is wrong with CL, I like that you can find things on there. However, you just have to use your head, and common sense. Which is not very common, unfortunately.

GhostWriter
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Agreed. We(my wife and I) sell stuff we don’t want or need anymore on Craigslist all the time. That being said we also look for stuff stolen from us on Craigslist. Really not much different then a pawnshop. However you shouldn’t be risking your life to do business there.

katpac
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My condolences to this young man’s family. I pray for more men like Allen West, who will exemplify strong male leadership and family values in the black community. These young men probably did not have a dad. In the void of male leadership, young men go awry. God bless the little boy, who will now fatherless. God bless America, forgive and guide us with the light from above.

Cappy Paxton
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There are some ugly examples of humanity that seem like contemporary problems. They have been here for year. It does seem that it has blossomed into and ugly, uncontrolled weed. The solutions of yesteryear (I don’t get to use that word often) are the same today. Our man West has his finger on the pulse. Give a human self esteem and they will exhibit self respect and respect for other human beings. If it isn’t through the military, there are other avenues. Whatever works, we need to get on the stick and get this escalating crime under control. Your Mileage… Read more »
7Out7
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If Obama had two sons, they undoubtedly would look like Tyshaune and Tyrone. Or, as Obama once dreamily said, 35 years ago he could have been them.

Connie Alsip
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I never was prejudiced until Obama took office. He has been the most divisive president, not to mention the worst president ever fraudulently elected in the USA. He is a racist, and apologist for black crime, his AG refused to prosecute New Black Panther Party for white voter intimidation. Evil, muslim, communist power hungry POS. #ImpeachObama #TryObamaForTreason

JimSherwood3
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To ascribe evil to any circumstance of life is an exercise in insanity. Evil is the product of choice – nothing more.

zeppyled
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I hope people are helping as much as they are harping and complaining. They are close to $90,000

jim
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Paul Price unless there is another article someplace I don’t see where these thugs were looking for any job. they were looking for just what the did and should pay the ultimate price

zeppyled
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I think what Paul is alluding to is the question raised in the article. Inner city communities are decimated by lack of employment opportunities and sorry educational systems…. are those issues contributing factors? That said, still no excuse for MURDER!!!!

K Moots
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I look in the Indianapolis jobs and there are jobs EVERYWHERE!!!! This is not a lack of employer problem! This is a lack of willingness to work problem.

Robert Streander Jr
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I think the decimation factor is no fathers present to lay down the values and then enforcing them. With an iron fist if necessary.

Bonnie McCollett
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Black teens have the same opportunities as whites and frankly most of us are tired of it being implied that they don’t. The difference is the overall mindset and family core of the family and community. That is something only they can fix.

maze
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Actually, blacks have a easier time getting jobs then whites. I know for a fact, many large employers that require testing for employment offer blacks a head start, or a lower pass percentage. Whites are often looked over for employment because the company needs to hire blacks to maintain their % or quota. If this is not maintained, they could lose government contract etc. Is that fair? How do you think one might feel (white person) finally getting employed at a large company. On the first day, seeing the worst workers (blacks)you have previously worked with at other companiesthat were… Read more »
BlueScalise
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You are right on. Our community has failed our children for far too long. We do it to ourselves with the lack of education and parenting.

Ida Cook
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I am sorry and hit the down by mistake. You are right in what you said.

Mike Kohler
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It’s time for a return of “The Draft”. If not “military” service, then 2 years of military-like “public service” for ALL 18 year-olds not in school or employed. Give them a shovel instead of a gun. Get them out of the ghetto into a structured, DISCIPLINED environment helping maintain our national parks, for instance. There may be no “jobs” but, there is PLENTY of “work” that needs doing. Maybe, along the way you can teach them something like self-responsibility, self-respect and maybe even a “skill”. At the very least, you give them a PURPOSE. You will not change THEM without… Read more »
Mark Cragin
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I like your thinking, especially about the placement of the DI’s boot!

K Moots
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Two thumbs up! Paying these kids for two – four years to teach them moral character and work ethic is a hell of a lot cheaper than paying their every need for life or supporting them in prison!

Bonnie McCollett
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I have often thought that all kids before they graduate should at least do bootcamp, real bootcamp, before being sent out into the world, for a few reasons other then because parents seem to be failing to teach children some core values they need to succeed. Most people think bootcamp brainwashes people. Been there folks, no it doesn’t. No one was more shocked then me when we were actually taught to NOT blindly follow every order but instead told to question things that didn’t make sense. What it does do is teach you to respect others, have pride in yourself,… Read more »
Jack Riley
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it was a better time when they had the draft

perky3238
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The voice of reason! Until we STOP trying to be Politically correct and allow excuses to override moral and common decency, then we are destined to fall into a nation of lawlessness. People rise to the standards we set. When did we start lowering our expectations of people and our youth? And why do we justify bad behavior? It all comes down to personal choice. We don’t need someone to tell us stealing and murdering are wrong. That is common sense. No excuse for their behavior and yes, people who are that morally corrupt would still murder if they are… Read more »
BlueScalise
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It’s about education and opportunity, these savages are made this way, not born this way.

The_El_Conquistador
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Opportunity exists everywhere. Where they live they could get jobs if they really wanted to work. I WILL NOT BLAME THE SYSTEM for acts like this. It’s about the lack of a father and pure laziness to self improve. They had the SAME EDUCATIONAL opportunities that I HAD!

Robert White
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everyone knows its wrong to do this kind of thing. no excuses. when the media is silent on this kind of thing, it tells them its ok. shame someone could not have been handy, to shoot these two on the spot. saved the taxpayers. and the media seldom reports black on white crime. that is a sad truth. guess our media thinks we have it coming? well, this is why i recently got my permit. and a kahr 9mm.

BlueScalise
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Don’t look at it from that perspective as a black and white thing, because I know some killer white dudes in the City of York and South Baltimore that will leave you flatlined. If you were Raised by Wolves you will tend to hunt like a wolf. I am from S.E. D.C., that’s like 2 Harlems and a half a Bronx. I am from that life, but I had great parents and grandparents to mold me into a honest hard working man, that’s a father of 3, a husband of 1 and a business owner. The color doesn’t matter. These… Read more »
Vlad99
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Like I said it’s like being institutionalised you can’t expect a kid that’s been hustling since 9 years old to turn into a working stiff at 21. You won’t wake up for a job if you never woke up for school. There’s no incentive to do it if you make a better living at the street corner. All training and life experience is aimed at teaching them how to live in the margins of society.

Tina S
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You sir are very rare, and if more families would start instilling honesty, integrity, and stronger work ethics it might straighten some of this crap out.

Vlad99
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Actually people like him are very common. You don’t really hear about them because most move out of the ghetto first chance they get.

zeppyled
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TRUE DAT! But savages is harsh….. hmm….?
Shooting an unarmed man…. yes, that is savage. Point taken

GhostWriter
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Don’t forget cowardly!

zeppyled
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Hope the Colonel is on the ticket in 2016!

Mark Cragin
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Please God, let it be!

The_El_Conquistador
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But Indy hosts black Expo? Indy has a better footing than many other states as far as jobs….I am going to go out on a limb and say jobs had less to do with this than the lack of a Father at home.

K Moots
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or parenting in general. I assure you that the existence of a mother does not mean that children are being “raised”.

Steve Buerer
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What happened to the value of human life? Roe v Wade!! It gave respected individuals, doctors, the go ahead to commit murder and now we officially condone it in OBAMA (un)Care. What message have we sent to these individuals with no moral upbringing. The live their lives in a “ME FIRST NOW” world created by their own parents.

Artupstairs
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“JOBS”?? REALLY? Would YOU hire those two? For ANYTHING?

C Bauer
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He’s making a comment about Obama’s pathetic record of job creation, especially the insanely high percentage of unemployed teens, genius.

Artupstairs
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Yeah, DUH, I GOT that. Just saying, apropos these two thugs. Besides, everyone knows a President cannot create jobs, just the environment for them.

open ur intellect
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hire those two??? slimy worms don’t get hired… they roam in the city sewers and deserve extermination..

C'mon Merica!
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I think the point is that if these folks had a reasonable opportunity to work they may choose that route versus sitting around and contemplating criminal activity. There will always be knuckleheads who choose the crinimal way but at least they’ll have the option. We’ve got some really rough areas here in Kansas City…there are very few business operating and those tend to be liquour stores, pay-day loan places and pawn shops. With that said it takes more than just job opportunities.

Jack Riley
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I grew up in Kansas city and remember when it was a nice place.nobody ever fooled with you. but that’s when the Italians had something to say about it.

C'mon Merica!
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It’s still a great city…came back after retiring and love it

Jim Howell
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Bullbutter. I’ve been unemployed before and needed work and never entertained the idea to commit a crime, much less murder someone.

The_El_Conquistador
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Hey, I can tell you first hand that most landscape companies that run mowers or do Ice removal would give these English speaking American guys a job just for asking!

The_El_Conquistador
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Being unemployed or without a job in & of itself has
never led most people to murder anyone! These animals had a roof and a bed
and obvious handouts from the welfare state! Maybe if they knew real
hunger they would have got off momma’s couch and got a job! They did
this because they are LAZY! That’s right I said it, LAZY! It’s not
racist if it is true Mr. West! Stop blaming the system, INDIANA ROCKS! Jobs exist here for people willing to do the work.

Indy is NOT detroit or Chicago, jobs exist, even on Craigslist!

Jim Howell
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I didn’t understand the correlation either. What does not having a job got to do with murder? If that’s true we’re up the creek with the unemployment rate. I don’t buy it.

Vlad99
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There is no correlation, that crime was perpetrated for the same reasons most crimes are. Greed, stupidness and cowardice.

ChrisinOregon
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I have not seen this in the news at all…..SICKENS ME

GhostWriter
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To see it in the news it would have to be two white trash guys killing any minority.

ChrisinOregon
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You are so right….

C'mon Merica!
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Nationally unemployment rates for young black males is about 40%. Meld that with an extremely high number of fatherless homes, absentee mothers who are busy working multiple jobs to compensate for the void, poor-performing inner-city school systems and pressure to join gangs and it’s no surprise we’re losing a large segment of our country. We need to take some of our foreign aid money that goes to countries that despise the US and reinvest in our inner cities and address the issue with mentoring programs, beefed-up education, jobs, etc. We also need to quit throwing their fathers in jails for… Read more »
Mark Cragin
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I voted your post up, but I have a real problem with the last sentence. I can’t agree that MJ possession is a non-violent crime. Its growth and distribution are illegal and rife with violence all the way up the distribution chain. It’s very naive to think that its use is non-violent, IMHO.

Furthermore, smoking the stuff is ingesting pure poisons into the lungs. Dr. Michael Savage has as recently as a couple days ago, eloquently described the negative effects / consequences of MJ use. Check out his web site for the details.

Grizzly907
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While C’mon is full of crap on most things I do agree that they should legalize marijuana. It has the least dellitarious effects of any drug out there including alcohol. I’ve never seen a pothead beat their wives, ram into a station with a family of four in or in get into stupid bar fights. All that stuff requires work and most potheads I know don’t want to do a damn thing when they are getting baked besides eating. Marijuana also has several medical applications that include providing relief to people that have PTSD and helps with the nausea that… Read more »
C'mon Merica!
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Thanks for chiming in Mark. I should have been more clear…my point was that we should legalize marijuana. This will reduce drug-related violence as we remove it from the black market/organized crime realm and move it into a controlled marketplace where we can reap tax benefits from growers and customers. Marijuana-fueled drug trade funnels money to drug cartels, gangs and other criminals who are using the proceeds to financially back more serious crimes and sales of dangerous drugs like cocaine, heroin and methamphetamines. I agree it’s harmful and I’m not endorsing recreational marijuana use but I argue it does less… Read more »
Vlad99
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But Col. West will and his supporters will accuse you of playing the victim. He will tell you that single mother with two jobs loves her foodstamps like an handicapped loves his wheelchair.

Mark Antigonos
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Hey Vlad, lets talk a moment about “playing the victim”- If you accept the idea that you are predestined to fail in society, for any reason, you ARE playing the victim. Black Americans in general are truly victims- but for many reasons, most of which are self-inflicted. Personally, I believe (my opinion) that the key problem that black Americans face in this country, is the belief that they OWN slavery. If one wants to own something, they are forced to live with it. Slavery existed long before a few (relatively) unlucky Africans were brought to America. Virtually every race of… Read more »
Bryson Johnson
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I agree!! if they need the help, then so be it give it too them. No Problem.

C'mon Merica!
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I don’t like the foodstamps and welfare system either…it’s a blank check with little incentive to get off the state/federal rolls. I’m talking about a more strategic approach here…not giving money away for abuse.

Vlad99
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My experience with welfare is that’s it’s humiliating. Goverment official comes to your house unannounced. No one, black or white prefers that to a good paying job. Maybe Col. West should take a walk in those inner-cities he loves to villify..

Jack Riley
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why do we need the government?

Enough
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I believe that Col. West is fed up with the government….especially the rules of welfare. He has made a valid point of putting discipline back into the schools and give the kids an opportunity to “shine” in their own way.

K Moots
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It’s funny you say that. Where I live they are proud of it. Literally every ATM in the area has written on it “swipe yo ebt”.Most of the time the word swipe is spelled wrong. The problem is that there is not enough humiliation with being on welfare anymore. There is no pride in education or moral values either.

Vlad99
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I think the are more like the people in jail who are institutionalized. Basically some people view welfare as a life sentence. For some it is. When you in prison for life after a while you stop caring about people calling you a criminal. Prison might not be freedom but at least there’s dinner.

C'mon Merica!
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Yes there are those that use welfare as a means to get on their feet and are humiliated by it but there’s a very large segment of America that games the system and views it as a career to aspire to. There have been numerous social experiments and studies that show that inevitably the majority of people (all races) will abuse something that is free – especially if there are insufficient checks and balances.

Bonnie McCollett
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Your wrong, infact in the past he has praised those women.

Grizzly907
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Your so full of crap that it isn’t even funny. Inner city schools get the lions share of money while suburban schools get their funding cut back. I am so gd sicking a frigging tired of hearing this dretch. Its complete BS. These black savages get everything handed to them. Their bastard producing, weave wearing mothers make more money on welfare than they do working a minimum wage job. On top of that these filthy savages get free money for school, free daycare for their little bastard kids, subsidies for their gas/electric, section 8 housing, free school lunch, reduced bus… Read more »
Mark Antigonos
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While I agree with you “C’mon Merica, that the language Grizzly907 used is not politically correct, and the use of it exudes the appearance of a critical racial bias, I disagree with your criticism of the message itself. First of all, your love for political correctness and passive whitewash is a HUGE part of the problem. Truth has been forgone for too long to save feelings and for pleasant appearances. It has gotten to the point where a person is deemed racist for disagreeing with a President, whom happens to be black, on principles they would disagree with regardless of… Read more »
Grizzly907
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I like Col West, and respect the way he looked out for his men. He also stood on solid principles during his term in the house of reps. I don’t agree %100 on every issue, however I admire him for the fact that he worked hard to get to where he’s at, and the fact that he didn’t do it via set asides and special treatment. He got to this point through shear merit. I could give two craps less about his skin pigmentation.

Mark Antigonos
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I kinda figured that Grizz, I understood your frustration above. Thats why I felt I should point out that the anger in your tone did not take away from the facts.

I was questioning ‘c’mon merica’s’ reason for liking Col. West. and pointing out that just because you dont like the method a message is delivered, doesnt mean it is a wrong message.

Grizzly907
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I know, and I am good. I am blunt, and yes I make colorful comments in order to get peoples attention. I call people savages and animals because they act like savages and animals.

C'mon Merica!
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I hit submit too soon…your message is also racist, unhelpful, divisive, uncaring, bigoted, prejudiced, bitter, weak-minded, assumptive, idiotic and downright Un-American.

C'mon Merica!
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You obviously don’t get the gist of my post (typical of someone who uses the language you do) and you’re clearly a hateful person incapable of offering an intelligent/fair opinion. Let me know when you’re mature enough to ditch the hate-speak and offer real solutions – then we can have a discussion.

Jack Riley
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what is the solution?

C'mon Merica!
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Not sure but I do agree with most that more government entitlements isn’t the answer. Less government and more community involvement is the key…how to make that a reality is the real question. I’d rather see investment in community versus handing dollars hand-over-fist to every citizen below the poverty level. I’d rather give them the tools to become successful. Shifting a culture will require hands-on mentoring and education programs from an early age…the kind of programs that stick with a child into adulthood. Many that read this will roll their eyes and cite examples where this hasn’t worked or proclaim… Read more »
Jim Howell
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I didn’t see his post as whining. He is telling it like it is, like it or not. I think your posts are hateful. You offer solutions by dissing other people? I don’t think so.

C'mon Merica!
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It’s pretty obvious this thread of comments is dominated by crusty-old Caucasian dudes who assume an entire race of people are guilty of being thugs…that’s at least the way your posts read. I offered solutions first and then took folks to task for spewing bigoted hate speak.

Grizzly907
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So telling the truth is hateful? I didn’t say a thing about their skin color and my criticisms were based on content of character based on what I’ve seen in my personal life and what I have researched. I live around these people and see how they act. The government bends over backwards to help these ungreatful little brats and what do they do in return-sell drugs, rape and murder. Meanwhile there are good veterans who are not criminals, dopers or drunks that can’t get help with their education, or afford a place to live. This is entire country tries… Read more »
K Moots
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If you read his post again, not a darn thing he said was not true. The truth hurts.

C'mon Merica!
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For the record, I’m a bleeding heart LIBERTARIAN, retired military, current civil servant and volunteer in the community. I try to come up with solutions versus promoting hate and whining about the current state of affairs which is something you and Grizzly907 have become adept at.

Grizzly907
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Some libertarian. I think your a fake libertarian. You work for the government. Affirmative action is awesome. Throwing words like hate and racism around are not going to cut it anymore. People have gotten wise to that tactic. I love it how you personally attack us because we have shown facts that don’t square with the narrative you use in your OP. That’s the same narrative that the commieprogs have been using for over fifty years and its a false one. I have many solutions that don’t require the government to to throw money at the problem. We have spent… Read more »
C'mon Merica!
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Here we go again…just love how you know everything about mefrom a few posts. I don’t have to do this but I will in the hopes there’s a shred. of fairness and ability to reason in that nugget of yours. I am for minimal government (yes – even a gov employee said it) and maximum freedom and I’ll be voting for Rand Paul for POTUS. I work for the Dept. of Veterans Affairs – not ashamed to admit it and yes – I do provide maximum value to our Veteran heroes and taxpayers every minute of every day on the… Read more »
C'mon Merica!
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Another completely worthless contributor…thanks for showing your _ _ _ K.

Bonnie McCollett
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Democrats have been dumping money on the problem every since they couldn’t stop the civil rights act. It’s not working. When I was little I spent alot of time at my grammas and she used to say that “just because your poor doesn’t mean you have to live like trash” and we would clean the yard and wash the house. I got on that school bus every day clean and dressed decently cause I knew she would literally kick my ass if I didn’t and I knew the school would tell her. See the difference? Yes the country as a… Read more »
C'mon Merica!
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You’re welcome to your opinion Bonnie – just as I am – but bipartisan hyperbole has never solved a damn thing either. I didn’t mention dumping money as the solution…I don’t like our current entitlement system which I agree is broken. I don’t condone cutting blank checks. I’m all for giving people the tools to be successful vs. free cash without strings attached which welcomes abuse. I’m talking about taking some of the billions we provide in foreign aid and invest in jobs (relocation incentives to corporations), youth mentoring programs (locally/community run), youth activity facilities, programs to help single-parents get… Read more »
Grizzly907
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We’ve been doing that crap since 1965 and we got a 16 billion dollar price tag to show for it, crime infested crumbling cities, a creptacrat class of politicians, failing schools, homes without fathers, violent murderous animal savage teenagers running around killing, raping and selling drugs. Prison that are filled with mostly black people-because they commit the vast majority of crimes in this country-just look at the statistics. Poverty isn’t the root cause of crime, a crappy culture that extols crappy values is. There are many rural parts of this country in which the really poor reside. Not to mention… Read more »
C'mon Merica!
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How do you propose we improve values and principles in our cities? I agree this is the issue…help contribute to a solution.

Bonnie McCollett
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“We need to take some of our foreign aid money that goes to countries that despise the US and reinvest in our inner cities and address the issue with mentoring programs, beefed-up education, jobs, etc”. Your behind the times on the cannibus issue look at Netherlands, they have shut down 30% of the shops selling it and beefed up laws because theres are problems. England reported that 30,000.00 deaths per year are attributed to legalized pot and the petty crime rate has skyrocketed.

K Moots
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We’ve dumped countless amounts of money in to inner city projects for this or that. It’s wasted spending because these people have been taught for generations that they are entitled and do not have to work for anything. My parents were fairly comfortable but never handed me anything. My dad always told me that if I didn’t work for it, I wouldn’t appreciate it. He was right. That is one of the MANY core values missing from inner city kids and their parents. You can not buy moral ethic.

Grizzly907
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Get a rope and start lynching the savages!!!! Time to purge the scourge.

Jourden
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They don’t have respect for life because our so called leaders don’t have respect for life. People know that the unborn child is a human being but it’s ok to murder them and in some cases torture them!The child decides to move when he/she is uncomfortable in the womb,or sucks their thumb,finger or toe. What about Benghazi where they deliberately let them die. What about all those hate remarks they make on how they wish people would die?! Shall I go on?!!!! They are being taught to hate and be disrespectful! The heart of the matter lies in not teaching… Read more »
Vlad99
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Col West black crime and white crime are one and the same.

dghealy
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Not nowadays.

Enough
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Vlad99…..I wish it were seen that way, but the reality is, it’s NOT!! When we have equality for all and don’t see color…then, it will change. But, certain groups want privileges extended to them that are not extended to whites. And, statistics show that there are more black on black crime than white on white. So, when you continually have black teens that kill for fun or “knock-out” then you will continue to see Black crime!! Change your community goals, get involved and offer those that can’t see the light to see!!

NPettinato14
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh man. That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard today. Thank you for that.

HighInformationVoter
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Not according to the media.

Vlad99
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Does the word BLACK CRIME need to be plastered on the first page of every media, every day?

dghealy
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I wish heinous crimes committed by people who could be Obama’s son were in the media as often as heinous crimes commited by light skinned people. Not even a close ratio.

Vlad99
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Seriously can we leave Trayvon Martin alone?

Bonnie McCollett
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Yes, if you want real equality then a racial crime needs to be called a racial crime no matter the color. In case you haven’t noticed it only happens whne a white person commits a crime and the victim is black.

Vlad99
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There are laws that define what is a hate-crime, not just your ignorant and bigoted perception of what a hate-crime should be.

Bonnie McCollett
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So in short you want equality until it is inconvienant to you, got it.

Mark Cragin
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I don’t like any of the “hate crime” laws. Murder is murder, and doesn’t need any qualifiers or sub-classes.

Jim Howell
Guest

You are seriously delusional, stupid, just passing time, or all of the aforementioned.

Gmforlife
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So why is it that the world gets up in arms if two or even one white man kills and robs a black man they automatically call it a racial or hate crime yet when the opposite happens, such as this situation, they are not called the same thing? Even when statistics show that black on white crime is more prevalent according to FBI statistics. Just wondering what your response will be vladd. Motivation could possibly be for money on either side yet still it is only deemed and hate or racial crime when the white man is the perp.

GhostWriter
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Destruction of core values in America is the key problem but the liberals don’t address that issue at all. Instead they bury their head in the sand with more anti gun legislation that won’t solve the problem rather it makes more potential victims.

K Moots
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Liberals are the reason for the destruction of core values. No more discipline in schools, making it a right to kill unborn children, hand outs at every turn for refusing to work… etc.

HighInformationVoter
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They should hold a benefit raffle for the family. Prize: Trigger man for these two pukes. I’d drop $20 on that ticket.

Denise Lynn Hemmingway
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Denise Lynn Hemmingway
Sadly these days in many cities the urban black American youth don’t see legitimate jobs even good paying ones as real work. To many of them the real work is that of a hustler, a thug, a thief, a pimp, a drug dealer, etc. These are the types who are idolized by the music of the inner city culture. The honest working person is vilified and the criminal sanctified. It also doesn’t help that in many of these neighborhoods in medium to large cities the legitimate businesses have had to close their doors because of many factors including a lack… Read more »
Kevin
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Unfortunately, certain groups want to go straight to management while wearing pants below their asses and tattoos on their necks. Given the opportunity to work, they are unlikely to shake the ghetto attitudes. Honestly, I would not trust them with my register.

rhh33672
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It is what happens when you have high minimum wages in a lot of city.