Women in combat zone alongside men: wrong on so many levels

Before you get all upset about the title of this article, read the byline. This isn’t LTC Allen West writing, it’s a woman.

I completely agree with this assessment from female Marine Iraq vet Jude Eden that women should not be on the front lines in combat alongside men. As Eden says,

It’s not all about qualification. I’m speaking as a female Marine Iraq war vet who did serve in the combat zone doing entry checkpoint duty in Fallujah, and we worked with the grunts daily for that time. All the branches still have different standards for females and males. Why? Because most women wouldn’t even qualify to be in the military if they didn’t have separate standards. Men and women are different, but those pushing women into combat don’t want to admit that truth.

I shoot. I can do 50 man-style push-ups in one set. But I’m 4’10’ and weigh 95 pounds. There’s no way in hell I could fireman-carry a wounded 180-pound male soldier off the battlefield. I absolutely do not believe standards should be “relaxed” to allow pipsqueaks like me to qualify in the name of equality and fairness. If I can’t do everything the average male soldier can do in combat, I shouldn’t be in combat. Simple as that.

Because every time we relax or change or reduce the standards for our soldiers, we reduce the efficacy of our military. Combat is hell. The objective on the battlefield is to break things and kill people, not make people feel better about themselves and their sexuality.

Once again, I concur with Eden:

Women have many wonderful strengths, and there is certainly a lot of work for women to do in the military. But all the problems that come with men and women working together are compounded in the war zone, destroying the cohesion necessary to fight bloody, hellish war. We are at war; and if we want to win, we have to separate the wheat from the chaff. And the top priority should be military readiness and WINNING wars, not political correctness and artificially imposed “equality” on the military.

But I have another few thoughts on this whole “separate standards” thing, which I put into the same bucket as “affirmative action.” To me, it’s sexist and racist.

When I went through my training to become a PADI scuba instructor, I was at least 10 years older and 75 pounds lighter than just about everyone else in the course. But I would have been absolutely insulted if my course leaders had essentially patted me on the head and said, “There, there you old bag. We’ll make it extra easy for you to qualify because we know otherwise you couldn’t do it.” Heck no. I’ll compete on the same playing field, or I won’t compete at all. I don’t understand why women and minorities seek out special treatment when the real message behind it is “you’re not able to do this without extra help.”

Changing standards in the name of “equality” diminishes the achievements of those who truly are exceptional, and falsely rewards those who are undeserving.

America is exceptional because we have always encouraged exceptional achievement. We must not lower those standards and accept mediocrity.

The end result of engineered equality of achievement is always lesser quality overall. It may not matter in kid’s t-ball, but it surely matters in the middle of a firefight.

Read Jude Eden’s full commentary here.

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Gary
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Excellent article, and I agree 100%!

William Hoak
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Please run in 2016 sir.

Artie
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Cruz/West in ’16.

Paul Deckelman
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I hate to disillusion people here, but IF Colonel West (my first choice for the nomination) does win it, or if Ted Cruz wins, or Ben Carson or Sarah Palin or anyone else identified with the Tea Party, he or she is going to have to pivot to the center and choose a more moderate running mate in order to have a unified Republican Party behind him/her and give our side a fighting chance to once and for all kick ass on PIAPS, Biden, Cuomo, Booker or whatever other leftist clown the Dems put up. Ditto if a moderate of… Read more »
schmoj
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You are delusional. McCain’s choice of Palin lost him the election. No sane person would vote for him considering his age and the possibility that a border-line illiterate moron would become president. That left no other choice but Obomba.

If McCain had chosen a moderate republican (and there were many qualified women he could have selected) he would be president today.

Paul Deckelman
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Large sections of the Republican base were underwhelmed by McCain, feeling that he had been foisted upon them by an unholy combination of Establishment “king-makers,” the “independents” and Democrats who were allowed to vote in some of the early party primaries due to quirks in the rules of some state parties who enabled McCain to build momentum in the early primaries/cauci, and a liberal media that loved the “maverick” McCain as long as he was “reaching across the aisle” to make common cause with Democrats and criticize and undermine GWB, and that wrote incessantly about his “inevitability” as the nominee.… Read more »
JaneyBloop
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AMEN!!!! That ‘borderline illiterate moron’ narrative about Sarah Palin was repeated over and over again by the media until people bought into it, hook line and sinker. Repeat a lie enough times and it will be accepted as truth?

Good observations Paul!

Paul Deckelman
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Thanks, Janey.

Jay Sands
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that is about as bad as hill, limp willy and michelle.

Don Anastas
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My son is career Army serving his second tour in Afghanistan. He told me more than one story where in training he was told to slow down, or accommodate to the differences between himself and female counterparts all which would typically make a difference between injury or life and death. Yes, the standards were relaxed to the detriment of the male soldier and female soldier who had a different and lessor standard.

Jay Sands
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Well dammit Don. Thanks to your son for his service. The gals deserve some love—its been an ALL VOLUNTEER military since 1973. We are not hearing of gals being killed or guys either as a result. They work it out at the unit level. Besides if child bearing was left to men we would have ZPG. However liberal dipsticks like many of our damned politicians stay out of it. I took note of your noting your sons service yet you could NOT find anything to say to Jude Eden? Like thanks?

Don Anastas
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I was commenting on the content of the post so mind your own business if you have nothing of substance to add. Stay focused and take your ADDH meds.

BTW – I’m retired Army Ranger – Airborne so I know what I’m talking about also. We thank all of our service members for their service each day – ALL OF THEM.

Artie
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God bless him. And thank him for me for what he is doing.

Shaw
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Been saying this for a long time. Hold true to the standards. I’m not a huge fan of what the apft measures but its a necessary tool. If a female can make the same standard I’d be able to accept that even though we know it will only cause issues later on

usaok59
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Anyone with common sense knows that women on the front lines is just so wrong. Actually, with all the sexual harassment problems in the military, it’s probably wrong for women to even think they can participate in the armed forces. So many ex-military females say most come out of it with a form of PTSD.

jon
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well, for women, its PMSD….

ReneeTru
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So is anyone going to listen to this woman who knows what they are talking about or will they continue to ignore the facts and keep making bad policy in order to be politically correct?

Winghunter
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They use the excuse of being PC but, the actual reason is far more insidious: Their intent is to weaken our military readiness as much as they can.

rsolid
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Makes perfect sense to me!!!

Pete
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Woman have been fighting in combat before they knew where America was. All the services have men 4’10’ and weigh 95lbs. Fact is it doesn’t make a difference. I know hundreds of big men that wouldn’t be able to carry anyone from the battle field. This whole discussion isn’t about ability, that is just the excuse. It is and always has been about sex. If you don’t or can’t do the job don’t join the military. There is a whole bunch of woman out there that can kick Marine butts just as well as any other service member and they… Read more »
Edward
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I’m relatively certain is not the size of the person, but the capability. If a woman can succeed on the SAME standards as the men, then we don’t have an issue with it. As a veteran, unless it has changed since I was in, I can tell you that the military lowers their standards if you’re female. I agree with Mr. West that I would find that condescending and insulting.

tbullion
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You show me a big man who is unable to fireman carry a 180lb body off the battle field and I’ll show you a big man who didn’t go/get through boot camp… Did read this our just not comprehend the material?

Scott S
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Someone obviously never served in a combat zone……

John Bush
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Pete, either you didn’t understand what the lady said or maybe you are a little dense. She made perfect sense. She might make a good sniper, but I wouldn’t want her kicking in doors, and taking names.

Winghunter
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My money is on he’s far too dense.

“To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” – Thomas Paine

Jamie Miranda
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My husband is in the Army… women are given softer standards starting in Basic… and then they are expected to keep themselves and the men they are serving alongside alive and well… and if wounded get them off the battlefield. If you want women to serve in battle..start in basic ..same standards… same treatment.. But then of course, you would have a fraction of women in the military. They deserve to serve…but they are not capable of doing what men do on the battlefield . TRUTH hurts… stings… but I want my husband home alive…not dead and politically correct. Thank… Read more »
joe1234x
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That is some strong truth there! Refreshing to hear someone stand up and tell it straight up. Thank you Ms. Hickford and Ms. Eden!

Ann Wilson
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That is a great article. The same goes for law enforcement. In some areas a female could cause more danger than help. The girl writing the article is correct that there are areas in both fields where females can do a great job. Battle is not usually one. The libs installed in everyone’s brain that females being equal in every way is fair. God made us different for a reason. Each in their own role is a value. Families in America are torn apart by this liberal thinking and now the children pay.
Russ Eritano
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Great post Ann. I worked in Law Enforcement for many years and there were women Deputies that should not have been on patrol. If I’m getting my ass kicked and my female back up is on the other side of a six foot wall and she can’t get over it to help me, she should not be on patrol.

Ann Wilson
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I also worked in law enforcement and found myself a couple of times on posts where I shouldn’t have been. I relied on psychological tactics at times and a firm but fair presence to keep situations in control. I thank God for his direction during these times and I did well. Had all hell broke loose I may not have done so well and would not be an asset to my fellow officers but most likely a hindrance. I am glad that incident didn’t happen to me but I witnessed it happen to other female officers who were taken hostage… Read more »
me
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So you admit to being an incompetent bimbo who wanted the job because she thought she was Heather Locklear?
You are going to get someone hurt one day, lady. I pray it’s you.

Ann Wilson
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I am confident you wouldn’t make it past the pysch eval.

me
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You got the job due to affirmative action. No more. No less. As the wife of a police officer I can assure you your male counterparts laugh at you behind your back. They call you Shee-las.

Ann Wilson
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OK little wifey. Guess that’s why I was OIC nightly and graduated with honors at the top of my class in the Academy. Get a life.

me
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Thanks, Shee-la.

JAMES "SGT. ROCK" WHITE
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JAMES "SGT. ROCK" WHITE
I had a buddy who was NYPD, he had a woman partner, they were on the subway , two skells got into it with him, he ‘s wrestling with them, his partner pulls her mace and standing away, sprays all of them, in the face, in the meantime he’s trying to keep one of the skells from pulling his pistol out of the holster as the other is stomping on him, after a couple of minutes of spraying them all , she finally pulled her head out of her rear and started to use her baton. My buddy ended up… Read more »
Angela Richter
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And thus is my argument against Affirmative Action.

GrGranny
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Women are great in the military, women do not belong in combat where her lack of strength puts others in harms way. If a six foot, 200 pound woman can do the job, then she should be allowed to do what she’s qualified to do. Qualification is the key word, certain abilities should be required to be in combat, for both men and women.

H Charles Campbell
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I totally agree with you Mr. West, you are a stellar example of a true Patriot.

Anthony L Barrett
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Agreed, Nicely written with strong logic.

Nicole Aymong Keller
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As a female senior NCO in the Army, I only have one caveat….If a female can meet or exceed the same standards as her male counterparts then she should be allowed to be in the infantry. Let’s get real people…there are just as many male soldiers that I would consider “pipsqueaks”. It should have nothing to do with sex but ability and if men are unable to do their jobs in the presence of a female it seems to me that is a problem in and of itself. I am a combat vet and have witnessed females not only do… Read more »
John Samuel Wilson
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If you are speaking specifically with regard to the standards, you would be correct. However, having a female in a combat arms formation — even if she can complete an APFT on the extended scale for the hardest male age standards and is a stone-cold, unemotional killer — add a dynamic that harms the two combat critical ingredients of mission readiness and team cohesion. First, what you cannot understand is that males are hard wired to protect females…under stress, in combat men have the tendency to drop all else and come to the aid of the female when doing so… Read more »
jj
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And you’re also completely ignoring the social issues. Everyone wants to point to Israel, but even there the practice of putting men and women together in infantry units actually failed pretty badly. Nobody looks deep enough to see that. That failure wasn’t really on the lack of physical ability of women, but on the pretty substantial effects serving alongside women has on men. Those aren’t inherently bad effects, just damaging to focus and cohesiveness.

jj
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The point is, that the pipsqueak men already have the same standards as the strong men. The problem with allowing women in is that even if there is not an initial difference in standards, one will almost assuredly be in place in the future. Too much PC, too many quotas, too many media eyes, too many officers not wanting to appear partial. If we could guarantee that separate standards would never be implemented, you’d have a point. But looking at the way the military has drifted over the past 40 years, there’s pretty much no way you could honestly think… Read more »
Jay Sands
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Thank you for your service Jude. You deserve the laudatory comments here.

Christopher Anthony Cangemi
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Christopher Anthony Cangemi

Makes sense…

hangman57
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I totally agree with this assessment ,there is no way a 95 pound female can pick up a 180 man and move him out of the line of fire .Also men tend to protect women by natural . This will get men killed unnecessary. Just because of these reason ,I don’t agree with women on the front lines with men.

Landofhappy
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I have a sincere question; how would the military treat a 95 lb, man if one were to enlist? Are there height and/or weight restrictions for men who enlist?

jj
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Yep, there are restrictions in a lot of fields. And even if a man is 95 pounds, he has to do the same number of pushups and carry the same weight as a 200 pound man. The article is talking about how separate standards for men and women open the door for women who can’t do as much as the men being allowed to serve alongside the men. In the case of the 95 pound man, he’s already not allowed in the front units if he can’t hang with the rest of the men. He doesn’t get a separate standard,… Read more »
SWTexas
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yes, yes there are, if you can not build be at weight then you are not allowed to enlist, period. If you are too tall, you are encouraged not to be in a tank, or helicopter

Wilma Gregory-Lanier
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I am an Allen West fan.

Duh
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Proving you are an idiot.

Wilma Gregory-Lanier
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Twinkle, twinkle, little star….what you say is what you are!!!!!!

4theLord
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I totally agree..it is a practical, sensible way to separate the job descriptions of men and women in the military. Both should be appreciated and deftly sized up for how they would best serve in the military. If given the choice to have a team of women and gay men or a team of tough fighting, testosterone filled men to fight for YOUR life out of some hell hole, who would YOU pick? A fighting team is only as strong as its weakest link!!!

CPT C
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I disagree. As one of those 115lb 5’3 woman who has been in the Army for 20 years, deployed and still serves…I disagree. Do I think women should be in Spec Ops (all of them), as a rule no. Are there serious exceptions to every rule? Yes. Do I think women should be allowed on whatever it is you’re calling a ‘front line’, yes. No one can even define a front line. Women are medics, truck drivers, MPs, engineers…they’re all involved in combat with the same chance of coming under fire as any man. I trained more MP units that… Read more »
Brandy Baron
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It’s simple, there should be standards that have to be met by EVERYONE and if someone can’t meet those standards then there’s no ‘front line’ for them. A soldier in battle should never have to wonder if the other soldiers around them are capable of handling ANY situation that comes their way. If a woman or small man can keep up, they deserve to be there. If not, they need to be put where they can best serve.

jj
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There’s also no doubt that your 130lb male friend is indeed stronger than you. And he also has to do far more pushups and run faster than you to stay in the infantry. And if he’s been in the infantry that long he’s undoubtedly rucked many many miles with 50-75lb rucks, which is not something a 115-lb woman is going to be able to do as effectively. And in terms of there always being an exception. Of course there are. But why on earth change everything and open up the almost unavoidable application of separate standards just to allow a… Read more »
CPT C
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He is indeed stronger than I, without a doubt. But the point was made (and is always made) about dragging a 180lb man away from danger. He couldn’t do that. I know for a fact he can’t ruck that long with half his weight. The problem is, that if these are indeed the standards we want to create…than everyone should have to meet them. The new Army APFT that’s under discussion is a job based physical test – which would make much more sense. It would not only keep out the women that can’t ruck that long, but it will… Read more »
jj
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I still think you’re missing the point. One, your 130 pound friend who can’t ruck or carry his buddy shouldn’t be in the infantry either. His being allowed in (erroneously) is not a gateway to allow MORE people in who might not meet the standards. You’re arguing two different situations entirely. Second, you are still completely ignoring the large chunk of the article and many of the posts about this is not just about strength. Women in all-male units, in all-male cultures, significantly changes things and adds a lot more stress than help. And since the infantry never hurts for… Read more »
jphxaz
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If these 170lb. women existed then they would be competing with men already in sporting events. All of this talk about some women who can compete with men physically is ridiculous. Let’s imagine this scenario. Take the 22 best female athletes in the world and train them to play American football. Football has so many of the characteristics needed for combat; especially hand to hand combat: aggression, physical force, and extreme violence. Then have them play against any top high school football from California, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, or Arizona. I think that these 17 and 18 years old boys would… Read more »
onesilverfox
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Well, I think by now, we almost all should realize that there is an ongoing attack to destroy our nation from within. They. the socialist/ communists/radical muslims in Barack Obamas think tank czars under the leadership of Valerie Jarret in the whitehouse has been spending all its time designing the demise of the United States of America. They have attacked the family unit, the military forces strengths and command, created as much racial division as possible, attacked all religions except Islam,attempted to create the illussion that any sexual relationship is acceptable, flooded our country with illegal aliens,caused bad feelings against… Read more »
Rob
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Well said, I could have said it better myself.

Duh
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Hopefully more grammatically correctly…

Tonya Ryals
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I dont think rules should be dumbed down or changed for ANYONE….there are women who could pass it would just be less of them. I know in my 20’s and 30’s I would have no problem moving a 180 lbs person. I worked many factory jobs where I was one of the only women or one of the few women in that part of the plant. The men respected me and saw that not only could I do what they could but if I couldn’t I would find a way to do things WITHOUT there help by using my noggin… Read more »
jj
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I think the bigger point is the vast majority of women wouldn’t be able to carry a 180-pound person (which is a lot different that “moving” one – and certainly not an opportunity to think creatively). But even of the ones that could, you’re still just beginning to scratch the surface of what it takes to live that life. And you’re ignoring the very significant social stress that adds to the unit. Were you living in that plant for over a year at a time without getting to go home and spend time with your spouse? Imagine if that was… Read more »
Winghunter
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Strength is a serious concern but, it is certainly not the only one – Ryan Smith: The Reality That Awaits Women in Combat http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323539804578260132111473150.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Winghunter
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“Get Over It, We’re Not All Created Equal” by Captain Katie Petronio, USMC http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/article/get-over-it-we-are-not-all-created-equal
“…As a combat-experienced Marine officer, and a female, I am here to tell you that we
are not all created equal, and attempting to place females in the infantry will
not improve the Marine Corps as the Nation’s force-in-readiness or improve our
national security…”

Zombie John Gotti
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If a woman can meet the same standard set for a man, then by all means, she can serve in a combat unit.

Scott S
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Look, I’m going to put it very simple. I served in combat, not just a hazardous duty area or in a combat zone. There is a huge difference between Manning a vehicle check point and going house to house. Not only are females NOT physically fit to do the duty of going thru actual combat situations (again I’m not talking about a guard tower, riding around as a gunner of a hmmwv or check points which are considered “combat roles”. These situation will have fire fights and injury and death) being able to live in adverse environments for months without… Read more »
Winghunter
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Only on one issue that you raise do I disagree that women shouldn’t be anywhere near the front lines with demonstrable proof:

Rape Epidemic Plagues U.S. Military http://morallowground.com/2011/02/18/rape-epidemic-plagues-u-s-military/

Navy Strives to Retain Pregnant Sailors http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0%2C13319%2C152426%2C00.html

Scott S
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One last thing, I served 9 years active army, I was medically retired. After I retired my wife went active Navy, her “rate” is matter at arms, she is a mp. She is currently in training for these “combat” jobs and is in several articles about it. Reading the comments pisses me off because I know half of these people commenting never served and the other half were never involved in combat. First and foremost, she is in the Navy. Their slogan is a global force for good, not combat. Unless they are a part of the elite SEALs they… Read more »
Dee
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I also am a 2 tour Iraq war veteran, and I am a female (though now retired). I served with Special Ops, 10th Mountain, 82nd Airborne, and 101st through my 28 year career. I was a Jumpmaster, deployed on many occasions, and did missions outside the wire, not at a desk. I feel like I’m much stronger than an average woman, and weighed 165-170, (not 95) when I was in my prime. I could pick up and carry a 180-190lb man and do a 12 mile ruck carrying 1/3 my body weight….but I could not “hang in” as long as… Read more »
OldNYFirefighter
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I greatly admire you ladies & you have my utmost respect & especially because you could probably kick my butt into submission, Lol!!! Thanks for serving we Conservatives/ Constitutionalists appreciate it more than you will ever know!

Sam2001
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Dee, from a sister in arms, Thank-you for all you have done.

tom
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thank you for your service.

danny
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Your good to dam good. Lol.

Isabella1709
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Why the devil is this so important to some women? I just don’t see how it can work well to be in combat together. Lots of things women do as well as men, but physically that is not the norm. Sure my Cousins daughter can outrun the best of them in a Marathon, but she can’t carry a average size soldier to safety.

Lee Culpepper
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My wife, a former Marine, would totally concur, as this is somewhat related: http://www.guns.com/2013/11/13/editorial-improving-male-female-firearm-relationships/

Winghunter
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Winghunter
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Debunking the Israelis ‘women in combat’ myth http://www.wnd.com/2001/08/10269/

danny
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Thats right. But tell that to the NAACP

larrymc51
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Thank you Eden, I agree, I also agree if a women is Bronnie enough to meet the Standards and wants to serve with the men, and is willing to take on the obstacles you mentioned that should be her choice.

Winghunter
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larrymc51
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This should be made clear, and if she still game, go for it no complaints no mercy, pull your weight or be dishonorably discharged.

Stryder51
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Dishonorably discharged? That characterization of discharge is normally reserved for traitors and major crimes.

larrymc51
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I understand, I’m was just acknowledging, that there would be women who still demand to be treated like a man, rather than denying them, let them do it, and sense it would be there choice, it should come with that type of discharge, should they want out.

Eileen Davis
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I am not a feminist and never will be. I am not politically correct either. Peoples lives are at stake here. War should never be a gender thing. What is wrong with people. People in combat do not need to be trying to show who can perform better than who. It is a shame our country has come to this! Allen West for President!

MotherBatherick
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Sickening how perpe-traitor obama and hillary-what-does-it-matter Clinton want women in combat but did not want anyone to even try to save our fellow Americans when Benghazi was attacked.

Winghunter
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Proof: Hillary Clinton Deliberately Lied About Benghazi http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/hillary-clinton-lied/
“…Congressmen who have seen secret emails have come forward, saying that she deliberately lied about the investigation…”

Benghazi Witness: ‘You Should Have Seen What (Clinton) Tried to Do to Us That Night’
Hillary Clinton “tried to cut the department’s own counter-terrorism bureau out of the chain of reporting and decision-making” as they responded to the Benghazi attacks.
http://theconservvoice.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/benghazi-witness-you-should-have-seen-what-clinton-tried-to-do-to-us-that-night/

tom
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Now that I think of it, Hilary and Nancy P. should be on the front lines

OldNYFirefighter
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Tell Al Quida they are two of the 72 Virgins they will receive & watch them run for their life!

MotherBatherick
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Thanks for being a Patriot and including those links! Will read!

Abby Sapp
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LOL …. many have considered me a feminist, but when it comes to whether or not a body is able to actually “do” a function is mandatory here. Men are unable to birth babies as well, so there is a reason for these two bodies to be different.

Logic needs to go into everything America does right now, and NOTHING ELSE.

house429
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if this is the case they shouldn’t be allowed to be police officers either.

OldNYFirefighter
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In some high crime areas, that may be true!

Brett Dent
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Also, you should note that the majority of encounters police have with suspects, they are not armed. Takedown techniques, along with tools like pepper spray, stun guns, batons, etc… means a woman can be effective in the police field.

That is a bit different than a combat zone where not only is everyone armed, but you are carrying gear weighing 50 pounds.

I personally believe women can have a role in combat situations, but I think those roles need to be specialized positions such as covert ops, special forces (certain situations), and medical.

w.calame
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As a retired police officer, I will tell you that the physical requirements are lower for women than for men. I’m not saying women shouldn’t be police officers. I have worked with some great female officers, but most departments use the Cooper standards. They are different for men and women.

lindy marie abbott
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combat WAR zone is NOT the same as police officers. police go home and have breaks between shifts, rarely are they pinned down and alone with only one other person to carry them out of a bad neighborhood… NOT a war zone country. Most of the time police call in back ups.

OldNYFirefighter
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Very good point & a valid one!

MotherBatherick
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Placing women in a combat zone alongside men is the Liberals “war on women”.

Timothy-Allen Albertson
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Timothy-Allen Albertson

There is coming very soon a few days in the history of this Republic when we will thank God we have a goodly number of Godly women with combat skills ready to stand with the American People and the US Constitution when we have to defend our country, our Constitution and our Civilization against obama and his nit nabob traitors.

MotherBatherick
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You got a point there but the women you’re talking about won’t necessarily be wearing camo and military boots.

OldNYFirefighter
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My wife wears high heels when she shoots & always out-shoots me. I even tried her high heels, but it didn’t improve my shooting skills. Lol!

Don
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Not only should it not be allowed in military for the same resaons she said, it should not be allowed in everyday America . Why should we dumb down our students so that the less than average kids don’t feel slighted, or give out participation trophys to all sports for youths so that there are no losers and no winners, its destroying the fabric of our great country..

Melissa Katsmom Votano
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Melissa Katsmom Votano

Right on.

MotherBatherick
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I also don’t think males married to each other should be in a combat zone alongside men.

Jess
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Its not that women should not be on the front line; its that people not physically qualified should not be on the front line. Not all women are tiny; not all men are huge.

tom
Guest

Well said and I think women are leaps and bounds ahead of men in MOST aspects of life. Truth is, women are not as physically strong as men and there are times this is important, like a fire-person to carry someone out of a burning building etc.

Michael Thomassie
Guest

I have no doubt that woman can fight! But when it comes to combat units, if it aint broke don’t try to fix it! Where are the studies showing that woman will improve the combat unit? All they’ve done now is put woman in MORE danger! What’s the matter Lib’s, not enough woman being killed wounded and maim in the war zone, I guess they figure most woman who join the Military are conservatives, so good way to get rid of them. Beside if their dead, the Lib’s can count on their votes next election!

OldNYFirefighter
Guest

Most Liberals/Progressives won’t volunteer for anything!

Richard StJohn
Guest

Thank you sir for stating something I have often wondered myself. Why do people who can’t compete on an equal footing want to compete at all. If my 50 year old body is no longer capable of meeting the requirements then I shouldn’t be there. Same with anyone else regardless of any other factor. How many servicemen and women have died in the name of being politically correct? If the answer is higher than zero then the policy sucks.

Fabiola
Guest

What is wrong with the military in the USA?! That is no place to be compasent to evrybody, not gays and definetely not females for goodness sake….wake up, men are there to fight and to win, not to lose!!!

Pamela
Guest
Well said, and I agree with what you have said. I am totally for equal rights and a fair chance to do a job, but the requirements shouldn’t be changed because of the sex or race of an individual, people are not equal across the board. Because a person is male doesn’t mean he would have any more business in a battle zone then a woman. There are men who could not carry another 200+ pound “dead weight” out of a firefight, you wouldn’t send them either. Keep the standard high, if a war comes to the US the women… Read more »
OldNYFirefighter
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We have female Firefighters & they go through the same training as males do. There are no special exemptions. It is true some females couldn’t carry a 200 lb person down a ladder, but there are also 150 guys that couldn’t do that either. For that reason you place them in a job they are qualified to perform equally. All of our first entry teams are males over 160 lbs, as if there are people need to be carried out, they are the ones that will find them. Secondary entry teams can be a mix & work out very well.… Read more »
Harriet A. Cragle
Guest

war and front lines is not about “me” or “take my chances”. You are always thinking about the buddies out there with you. Your way of thinking is selfish.

Mark666
Guest

Harriet, please explain to me what Pamela said that was selfish. I’m really mystified.

David Casillas
Guest

Striping the man of his roles is selfish. It is HIS, and HIS ALONE.

Mark666
Guest
David, I still need to know what she said is selfish? I would love for women NOT to be on the front lines. Or, going into burning buildings. But, the truth is, as long as the qualifications are NOT lowered for ANY group for ANY reason & ANY person passes ALL the tests put before them, there isn’t much that can be done. 1 big problem with having women on the front lines is that men will want to protect them. Not like they would a fellow male combat brother, but more like that combat women was his little daughter.… Read more »